fury

[errant vessel]

What he’s asking is if you should press BB even if overcapping on Rage

to which the answer is yes

[frigid cipher]

thats different than "not caring about overcapping" at all

but yes

on full rage you do BB before rampaging again

[pastel agate]

Season 2 won?

This is maddness

[fast mural]

we overcame the recency bias

[fading sky]

but thats coz Rampage buff bb

[clever path]

Season 2 is best

[unreal onyx]

Cope

AM fuck bad in raid

[fleet cargo]

24 tottt

489 retri in grp

[fading sky]

lolxd agreed cba more am

but raids dont matter this season

Next

[clever path]

Did he blast ?

Better in M+ fuck raid, Play arms

[fleet cargo]

didnt start yet

[unreal onyx]

People be like: I don’t wanna play the same build fir 2 seasons in a row

My brother in christ, we played AM for almost all of SL and DF

[clever path]

Then EU apparently fired up bots to vote on forums

More like I don't wanna do tank dps outside cds when just farming dungeons being forced to tank

[fading sky]

hmm i mean i liked season 2 as well 🙂

also this tank dps narrative gotta die

[unreal onyx]

Skill issue

[fading sky]

if its DH Veng with CDS dps

its not terrible

[clever path]

No it's shit

Farming weeklies as fury not fun

Farm them as outlaw

No I play arms

You know that you also kinda can try legs

I know super funny

Season 3 fury is funnier than that joke

But come on man, I think you just need to wear pink Valentine’s Day mog

And your dps will skyrocket

I saw best mog wanna see?

Typical ret player

The candle is 25% dps increase

[flat river]

Wtf are those graphics

[flat river]

Why don't u want to play season 2

The only reason i wanna play season 2 is because we get raging blow back

Couldn't care less what the tier is

I wanted season 1 because execute party

But i voted season 2 so season 3 doesn't win :P

[clever path]

Because season 2 is better for all content

[flat river]

Not true

For raids it's not that good

[clever path]

Not just raid which Season 3 is and thats only what people caring about, raid

Season 2 was fine in raid

[flat river]

Fine but not that good

[clever path]

Still fine

[flat river]

You wouldn't be top 5 dps meter

[clever path]

I was

🤓

[flat river]

Then u prolly doing AoE fight

[clever path]

Nope

[flat river]

Or u had worse classes

Or less geared boiz

[clever path]

But anyway, Ppl only care about DPS not just killing the boss, theres the problem

[flat river]

Anyways compared to this season, ST is a lot better season 3

[shy knot]

And aoe alot shittier

[flat river]

But season 2 build was BiS in m+

[flat river]

Yeah

Also no raging blow

[silk wharf]

What s2 were yall palying

[clever path]

Fury is meant to be the aoe m+ spec not the ST spec, That is arms, Arms is meant to be the ST spec but it's been fucked by blizzard

[silk wharf]

i was banging aoe in s2

[flat river]

We were

We're talking about season 3 aoe

[silk wharf]

ohh, misunderstood.

[clever path]

S3 sucks

[indigo quarry]

?

[flat river]

Honestly if we still had raging blow i wouldn't care who won

[clever path]

It literally is, Class design says so, Takes a brain to figure it out

I've start fury in S3, what's the rotational difference with S2 ?

[flat river]

Raging blow

[frigid cipher]

exactly

[flat river]

Recklessness and ravager every pack

[indigo quarry]

Why did you come back on this server with your shit take

[clever path]

S2 more spam, ravager and reck up more

[flat river]

Or every 20 seconds

[clever path]

It's fact not shit take

[indigo quarry]

You cant say its fact when you say what ever the fuck you plz

[clever path]

Arms is literally MEANT to be the raiding spec ST spec big ST dmg compared to fury

[flat river]

He's not wrong but he's not completely right

[clever path]

Only because arms has been screwed by blizzard and fury got more love in ST

[flat river]

There is supposed to be class balance

[clever path]

Yes but even so Arms should do more ST than fury anyway

[flat river]

But in general fury warrior was always the class to pick for m+/AoE

[clever path]

What does that change ? Currently you CD when there're up and go bb/rampage

That's literally my point

Where is this raging blow going

[flat river]

It will replace BT

[clever path]

But ppl are so smooth brain they try to argue it

[flat river]

And u have recklessness/ravager uptime every pack on m+

[shy knot]

S2 was perfect for both even tho the ST kinda sucked

[clever path]

Yes S2 fury better for casual m+ aswell as all m+

[shy knot]

You got the KACHING effect

[indigo quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

Thats what he is doing

[clever path]

And why are you guys prefering raging blow gameplay over S3 ?

[shy knot]

You can never burst aoe as hard nor so frequent

Just look at Critcake vs that random ret

[flat river]

watch a video and u see why

Search up fury warrior season 2

[clever path]

You have no brain if you cannot understand that by class design FROM THE START arms was always meant to be the ST spec over FURY which is the multi target cleave aka aoe spec, It has been that way for years but in past years it's more balanced and has shifted.

[shy knot]

Honestly if the big BB cleaved it would be fixed

[flat river]

Tbf true

And make cd reduction cleave

[silk wharf]

For most of its existence fury has been the pve spec and arms the pvp spec.

[flat river]

But I'd still pick season 2

[shy knot]

I guess paladin doing 1m dps from pressing one DS is ok but warrior not

[flat river]

I miss raging blow

[covert blaze]

AM is omega cringe
Nothing more to say

[shy knot]

Wrong take

[flat river]

Zhai the men are speaking

[clever path]

Because its better when farming lower keys and any key level, S3 is good in higher keys for the most part and horrible to play in lower keys, So S2 for the most part is better for 99% of the players in wow who play fury casually and so on

[willow cradle]

Wasn't Fury better in vanilla lmao

[covert blaze]

You can disagree, you can't say that a take is wrong blud

[covert blaze]

You know nothing about this game idk what you mean

[flat river]

I know that season 2 was better than season 3

[covert blaze]

That's an opinion

[flat river]

And so is yours

[covert blaze]

[clever path]

This is literally all i'm trying to say

[indigo quarry]

Says you and try to disguise it as fact, yeah sure buddy keep it up

[covert blaze]

@indigo quarry these are real demon hours

[clever path]

I refuse to take the bait anymore, keep it up

[indigo quarry]

Wasnt this guy banned multiple time because of his insanity

[covert blaze]

Yes

[shy knot]

Fury had its times like Antorus when it pumped huge ST

[covert blaze]

He comes back every 2 weeks

With the same name

[clever path]

? No i left cause I stopped playing fury

[covert blaze]

To annoy the entire channel

[shy knot]

But mainly its a aoe/cleave spec

[flat river]

Like i said I couldn't care less about tier or build

I miss raging blow

[clever path]

So I see no OF and 3 new abilities (onslaught, raging blow and a big cd ravager)
Seems quit the same to me but I'm waiting to see it in s4 !

[shy knot]

I miss AM

[flat river]

Look up AM

See what it does

[shy knot]

And rampage being the real dmg

[flat river]

Anger Management

[covert blaze]

Getting 1 mechanic and ruining your DPS the entire fight is very cool

Love AM

[clever path]

Still better for the majority of content

[flat river]

Same thing can be said bout this season lmao

[covert blaze]

No?

What

You are actually clueless

It's crazy

[clever path]

It's warrior discord, Everyone here is clueless

[chrome plover]

i dont think am was the issue, unbridled was

[iron portal]

Then why come here

[chrome plover]

having 99% reck uptime one pull and 80% the next was kinda cringe

[iron portal]

You guys just love drama talks

[chrome plover]

true

[clever path]

True

[chrome plover]

bored at work it's great content dont make them stop

[flat river]

Unbridled?

[iron portal]

Also having werid claims i swear

[chrome plover]

yes

unbridled ferocity

[flat river]

Remind me what that was

[covert blaze]

Me when I say X build is better than Y and I don't know what the talents for my spec do

[chrome plover]

rampage procs reck sometimes

: )

[clever path]

Seems fun to reduc big CDs ! I see I see. I enjoy s3 a lot tho as a new fury player ! Would you say s2 and s3 are the same difficulty level (so really easy) ?

[flat river]

Ah

[silk wharf]

Rampages procs reck

[flat river]

Im bad with names

[sand crest]

s2 is much easier than s3

[flat river]

Season 3 is a little more difficult because u have to make sure you use OF while enraged and save BT crit chance for BB

[sand crest]

s3 you can get empty gcd's if you pop rampage without thinking and dont prio bt enough

[shy knot]

We dont care about raiding tho

S2 was m+ bis

[clever path]

Exactly

[flat river]

While u can just macro ravager and recklessness as 1 button

They have the same cd

[shy knot]

Raiding you should play arms anyway or you int

[covert blaze]

S2 is easier

[flat river]

Every like 20 seconds u have CD's

[clever path]

30-40

[chrome plover]

you should probably play what you want to play but maybe that's just me

: )

maybe if ur world top 50 it matters

but hof and under play whatever tf you want

[tardy lark]

meanwhile we have a guardian druid onetrick

[chrome plover]

top 10*

[covert blaze]

If you like talents like AM you probably never tried to perform well in a raid environment

[chrome plover]

[clever path]

Player > spec

I have a last question. Fury is my first spammy spec. I enjoy it a lot but I still wonder if it's better to put buttons I spam a lot on keyboard (Q E R F) or on Mouse buttons. Tried both but can't decide

[fleet cargo]

fucking yessssssssssssssh

24 tott intime

[tardy lark]

Sadly no, since the current composition requirements are in place

🤷‍♀️

[fading sky]

to old for mousebuttons

[covert blaze]

Don't spam with your mouse

You are gonna break it

And it's slower for most people

[fading sky]

also fury isnt rly that spammy

[clever path]

If you are going for world first or in top 200 guild or whatever sure

[fading sky]

just wait next season

^_^

[tardy lark]

that is a VERY big spread lol

[fading sky]

if u are going for top 1000 or heroic raiding guild

spec matters

[clever path]

I agree with the composition does matter, Just recruit the good players of the specs you need

[clever path]

Q bb E Ramp seems a go to then

[fading sky]

u still gonna carry goons and if u are plying with ppl of equal skil lvl theres still a difference

in terms of output

[tardy lark]

the higher you go, the less there are of those

[clever path]

Yeah true, I don't disagree

Game is easy tho, most specs take only a short time to learn to play optimally

[fading sky]

that is not true

[deft ridge]

🧢

[fleet cargo]

pala was 489 with leggo and ashes+augury , you know good bms always blasting it i was third but still happy since we intimed

[shy knot]

Back when I did mythic I swapped according to which spec was better for the boss

[covert blaze]

I wouldn't entertain that guy

[shy knot]

Like imagine going fury for council rn etc

[clever path]

Short time meaning couple months/weeks ect not days

[fading sky]

ok, its a rough statement... game is to easy every spec only takes short time to learn. yet a player in World first... like most of them cant do that :D. some of em can and are highly touted for it but still

so its easy to learn, harder to master vs a player who has played it more

i refuse to believe u hit skillcap in like 1 month of a class, and stop improving

[clever path]

You are just reading it literally and not using brain, but yes not easy to swap spec but with time and practice you can as with anything

[covert blaze]

You said optimally

???

[clever path]

English is not my first language

[covert blaze]

Ok so don't say people don't use their brains

[mossy fox]

Qrva is not a random ret

[covert blaze]

If you can't type coherently

[clever path]

Fine i rephrase, you can learn to play it good and still improve

Better?

Optimally to me means play good not best

[fading sky]

nah

optimally means optimally 🙂

[covert blaze]

gm the critcake

[fading sky]

Kurva is pog

[shy knot]

I dont know him tho, not in the ret community

[covert blaze]

🤯

[fading sky]

ikr ?

so if u Optimize on good u become gooder ?

[shy knot]

I also find it funny how rets do next season dps and Blizz decides to buff them even more

[willow cradle]

Nice discord light lmao

[covert blaze]

Nono, goodest

[fading sky]

ahh remove an o

[barren dagger]

Rank 1 ret is just a random xd

[fleet cargo]

they will buff them more

[covert blaze]

Actual

[fading sky]

ye i mean ret fackin pamps

atm

before buffs

i meant

spec saved by 99% of player base being donkeys

[covert blaze]

Lmao true

[shy knot]

Nah Blizz just has a hard on for them

[fleet cargo]

blizz loving pala always and its very obvious .. u must be blind to not see it

[shy knot]

R1 or not that dude outdpsing critcake by like a half overall is funny as hell. Reminds me of the shitty broken meta last seas

[dapper goblet]

voodoo

[tardy lark]

[mossy fox]

it is what it is

p much given up on doing good numbers this season

[wild mural]

what the fuck have I joined

[clever path]

I got 2 palas in mine 0 freedom

[mossy fox]

forever embers club also

[wild mural]

[mossy fox]

dont you also have pink class

[wild mural]

Yes

but that's beside the point

karen is ass

[mossy fox]

damn

[hearty surge]

Doing good numbers this tier as warrior in m+ xd

[clever path]

S2 pog

[hearty surge]

Finally getting to the point where people press their buttons well enough to the point where I get outdamaged consistently

[shy knot]

Luckily in +20-21s everyone is shit

[hearty surge]

Idk if I should be happy about it or cry

[wild mural]

im in a 21 😦

[shy knot]

I couldnt bear being 2nd or 3rd alot

Id get dreams about rerolling ret

[wild mural]

tbf Im used to being bad

just the way it is for me

[shy knot]

Alot of 20s have 1 good dps 1 decent and 1 absolute bot

In my experience

[hearty surge]

How about 1 dps and 2 afk

[wild mural]

Im the absolute bot

[shy knot]

Like under tank dps

[wild mural]

[hearty surge]

That's me on my 450 sub rogue

[oblique trail]

Easier keys with a bigger side of depression

It is what it is

[lavish grove]

[shy knot]

Blizz done this because since BfA warr always had big overalls in m+

[barren dagger]

A havoc put 100k into me yesterday in EB with aug

Was sad

[shy knot]

And I skipped SL

[lavish grove]

Sl was alright

[hearty surge]

I wonder if I can buy critcakes slot in his m+ team so I can get some score

[clever belfry]

u should have the gold

[lavish grove]

Outside 3-4th seasons

[hearty surge]

I bring legendary and worse gameplay

[shy knot]

Warrior when played good was basically top dps everytime and ppl forgot you have shit utility

They just seen the pump

[wild mural]

I wonder if I can persuade crit to help me get 3k

[shy knot]

Now they see mediocre poop

[lavish grove]

Not the case rn

[hearty surge]

That is also not true if the other players know what they're doing

[barren dagger]

You should get 3k just by pugging your own keys no?

[hearty surge]

Knew*

[wild mural]

im tryin

[shy knot]

Nah in BfA you were a god

With that crit shit

[hearty surge]

Nah warrior was good but far from best

[shy knot]

Blood of the enemx

[hearty surge]

Dps wise

[clever belfry]

the only season warrior did more dmg than other specs was in s3 in bfa

[clever belfry]

in s4 u got gapped by >100% by a good mage

in s2 u were gapped by rogues, dhs, wws

in s1 lol

[shy knot]

I didnt play that shit

[hearty surge]

?

[clever belfry]

sub did your aoe while doing 14x the st

[lavish grove]

[clever belfry]

i wish i was lying with 14x

[shy knot]

S3 I pushed high then didnt play the Nzoth patch

[barren dagger]

Rise and wm easy points

[hearty surge]

Sub in s1

Zul xddd

[wild mural]

real in rise now

+21

[lavish grove]

Zul incident

Made sub unplayable for 2 years

[barren dagger]

It took me 55 runs over +20 to get 3k so was a real grind. Lots of insta deplete keys on tyrannical too

Good luck

[hearty surge]

That's not normal

I don't think I have 55 runs over 20 now

[clever belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/7N0zdYK.png nice lie

[flat river]

XD

[hearty surge]

Well

they incluse 20s

right?

I said over 20s

[flat river]

30 were 25+

[clever belfry]

20+ = 20-24

[hearty surge]

Yeh

I said over 20

so 21-29

[shy knot]

Idk how we managed to do the same couple dungs the whole xpack back in the day

[flat river]

So atleast 20 of those 90 runs are above 20+

[hearty surge]

Yes

30

[oblique trail]

That's how math works

[clever belfry]

this means u just need 25 keys on 21-24
which is easily possible :3

[hearty surge]

It is possible

but unlikely

[clever belfry]

id say its likely even

[hearty surge]

Why would I do 21-24?

[flat river]

Toph don't lie

[hearty surge]

I shall go through every dungeon

and count the 21-24s

now

[flat river]

?

Bro u good

[clever path]

21s-24s are cancer

[oblique trail]

As opposed to 25s?

[clever path]

I wouldnt pug above 25

[clever belfry]

bolas

[hearty surge]

Okay the amount is 16

so the total amount is 46

[clever belfry]

n = 16

[hearty surge]

which is < 55

my point still stands

[clever belfry]

46 < 55
can u prove this statement

[hearty surge]

Yes

[barren dagger]

Lmao

[clever belfry]

kaiser

[hearty surge]

I shall prove it with the peano axioms

[barren dagger]

What i found out is tank and route defined if the key was bricked

in that range at least

21-24

[clever belfry]

me when
reflexive, transitive and symmetric

[shy knot]

True

Mainly tank

If they flop dead 1-2 its gg

[barren dagger]

No matter how good your dps or healers are, if tank is shit, gg

[hearty surge]

vdh players are mental

[clever belfry]

no matter, we can rebuild him

[clever belfry]

me when the vdh doesnt use their sigils perfectly, locking down the pack for 30s on their own 😠

[covert blaze]

Can confirm

[fleet cargo]

its always like that

when a spec goes in to the meta and most people plays it

most players just cant play it well

[hearty surge]

Me when they are doing that while blasting anime intros on nightcore for 12+ hours straight and wearing stockings

[mossy fox]

im getting boosted this season for sure

[clever belfry]

hot

[covert blaze]

me

[hearty surge]

I would get boosted more, I just want score

[clever belfry]

scorewhore

[hearty surge]

well

[mossy fox]

it's a nice week for pushing but somehow we still didnt time much this week

insert push week pasta

[clever belfry]

are u just running into your comps cap rn or what

[hearty surge]

I mean you are already close to the cap atm with your comp

score wise, no?

[shy knot]

I dont see the point of pushing above 20s and below 0.1% title tbh Blizz needs to add some shit

[covert blaze]

holy.. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR PUSH WEEK

[fleet cargo]

Next week
FORTIFIED, VOLCANIC, SPITEFUL
dodge volcanic cc spiteful
ez

[mossy fox]

yea i think so a bit but feel like we can +1 a lot of keys still

[hearty surge]

How many keys can you realistically time still

in tyrannical

[shy knot]

Like Glad has tons of shit

[clever path]

I've only done up to 25s so far, No point beyond without a team

[mossy fox]

i dont need a reward for pushing keys

it's just fun

[clever belfry]

attack dunger

[hearty surge]

You are only allowed to say that if you have people to consistently play iwth

[shy knot]

With a team ? Sure

[clever path]

Crit if you get leggo next week I will donate one million ugandan dollars to IWCF

[shy knot]

Pugging ? Hell no

[hearty surge]

I mean

its actually fun

[covert blaze]

True

[hearty surge]

if you find a group that is good

[mossy fox]

your money is safe

[hearty surge]

then you attack key together for a while

add them on bnet

then never play again

[shy knot]

Pugging can be insane waste of time

[clever belfry]

waht is this game, but a waste of time?

[clever path]

Bro, I too am suffering, War no leggo, Dk no leggo, Ret no leggo, It doesn't exist

[shy knot]

30 mins to find group 30 mins for a mf to rage and brick a key

[tardy lark]

life is meaningless

[hearty surge]

waist of time

[tardy lark]

just waiting to die tbh

[covert blaze]

[oblique trail]

Aagaard average doomer moment

[tardy lark]

nihilism

[hearty surge]

Everything is a waste of a time

working is a waste of time

[covert blaze]

dalai lama ander

[oblique trail]

my guild name

[clever path]

Go have a shower

[hearty surge]

gaming is a waste of time

[shy knot]

If you enjoy that the time isnt wasted

[clever belfry]

"waste of time" in a video game is such a worthless term

[shy knot]

Show me somebody who enjoys bricking keys

[clever path]

A shower will make you love yourself

And make you happy

[tardy lark]

99% of pugs

[clever belfry]

i have a lot of fun bricking like 27s cause people do the dumbest shit

[fading sky]

ret is still great without though ^_^

[shy knot]

Russian DHs

[clever belfry]

like absolutely abhorrent dogshit plays

[hearty surge]

Can confirm

With anda I have fun in 20s even

[mossy fox]

is this the embers club mantra

[clever path]

ST damage still sucks ass in m+ build

[hearty surge]

when we get randoms in the key who do absolutely nothing

[tardy lark]

what is life without orange

[fading sky]

nah

[tardy lark]

and not the fruit

[hearty surge]

then leave after 3/4ths of the dungeon

[fading sky]

ST damage is not horrible on ret

its not great but ppl keep calling it horrible coz they have to much AOE

like man ^_^ u cant expect to both have insane AOE AND super ST

in 1 build

[covert blaze]

Some people are more success focused, and pugs failing could be seen as a waste of time

[hearty surge]

You are saying its not great

its about as good as warriors st

[clever path]

Erm heard of havoc DH?

[hearty surge]

and warriors st is pretty good still

[fading sky]

havoc does less than ret my man

[clever path]

In ST?

Then thats a bad havoc

[clever belfry]

then most people seem to be wasting their time in this game

[oblique trail]

Until I am a trial in Echo then my time is wasted

[clever belfry]

trial?

u need to be proper member for 7 tiers

[fading sky]

in aoe

[clever belfry]

or waste of oxygen

[fading sky]

over a key

and ret lives extremely well

[oblique trail]

I will speedrun it

[hearty surge]

Unfortunately you wont ever get to trial as warrior

[oblique trail]

Any % Echo membership

[hearty surge]

as long as revvez exists

[clever path]

I run divine arbiter in keys for more ST dmg, Yeah aoe is big but ST sucks

[clever belfry]

revvez and walli in echo

good one

[oblique trail]

Good thing I'm not locked to playing warrior

😎

[clever path]

Coming from ret to fury, ret is stupidly broken in AOE and ST if you consider a whole run

[hearty surge]

but can you play anything as well as warrior

[clever belfry]

swag fraggo can play it aswell

[oblique trail]

Assuming I play well as warrior

[clever belfry]

xdd

[fading sky]

i mean i c ret with @mossy fox and his st doesnt SUCK

[hearty surge]

well =/= better than any of the echo people who can play warrior

[fading sky]

its not bis but suck is a bottom feeder

[hearty surge]

I dont think there is a single player in echos roster rn that I could outperform

tbh

[oblique trail]

I'm certainly not near Wallife

Or Revvez

[clever path]

I am 485 on my pala no leggo just got 489 weapon so now maybe i do more, I sitll beat a 488 ret with leggo and pocket PI

[oblique trail]

Wallife has hidden aura buff

[covert blaze]

I agree

[clever belfry]

if he has that, revvez has that buff x3

[mossy fox]

revvez is just builtdiff

[wild mural]

I barely outperform my own guilds roster

[clever belfry]

just watch their denathrius kill
every other warrior got hyper diffed and revv somehow is #3 on their kill or some shit

[clever path]

Pad?

[clever belfry]

??

[hearty surge]

Just watch their fyrakk kill

[mossy fox]

gl padding on sire as condemn arms lmao

[fading sky]

belteshazzar but you do understand that a spec cannot both have greatest utility and greatest heavy aoe with the best ST ? i mean ret is pretty close, to that atm. prob not the greatest on light cleave and St m+

[hearty surge]

revvez did not get buffed and he did more dmg in their first kill than any log rn

[clever path]

[clever belfry]

let me use my WARBREAKER on adds p1

(u always did that)

[fading sky]

Revvez is a cheatcode

i still think he has aura buff 10% when a kill approches on prog

[hearty surge]

I mean TBH

you get to pad more with worse gear

[clever belfry]

i have not inspected their augs, but incidental buff on adds couldve happened

[hearty surge]

when they were there you DID more dmg as warrior

[mossy fox]

i think i played korayn for logs on sire

[hearty surge]

because p2 adds live longer

[mossy fox]

first strike giga dam

[clever path]

Night fae warrior giga

[fading sky]

Bring back NF abilities in tree

Utility first strike

[hearty surge]

You guys talking about warrior in nathria

[fading sky]

yes please

[shy knot]

Honestly with the aoe they do ret should do bottom feeder ST

[hearty surge]

have you forgotten sludgefist

[shy knot]

Like Arms s1

This is just dumb

[pastel agate]

What would we have more up time with Recklessness in season 2. What talent causes that again?

[clever path]

If S3 fury had night fae ability then it wiould be saved

[mossy fox]

100% log beaten by gray afflock

[fading sky]

ye and lets be honest they st isnt great, but a good ret still manages decently fine

[clever belfry]

me when the boomi !fullmoons

[pastel agate]

nvm Anger managment.

[hearty surge]

Better bring another warlock instead of warrior because the battleshout buff is worse than the additional dmg warlock does

[covert blaze]

Anger management

[clever belfry]

just have ur warrior dps tank
oh wait..

[clever path]

s2 fury hype

[pastel agate]

Here's what I like about Season 3: You get to get BT which helps with passive healing, no?

[void valley]

fucking bloom sucks so hard

[hearty surge]

passive healing does what?

[clever path]

Fury has always been one of the tankiest specs no matter the season, If you die as fury you poop

[clever belfry]

pov legion fury

[covert blaze]

Helps standing on the smolderon rings

[clever belfry]

me dropping enrage on purpose or i would die to a oneshot

[covert blaze]

Good design

[mossy fox]

enrage increasing dmg taken xdd

[tardy lark]

it was very cool

[hearty surge]

Warrior should have bloodlust

[tardy lark]

if i cant have DoS interaction i dont want fury

[hearty surge]

warrior bloodlust class

[clever belfry]

and then the weapon gave u a random health% buff that didnt even offset it

it was

FUCKING DOGSHIT

[mossy fox]

but put some paint on your face to make it decrease dmg taken instead

[hearty surge]

I mean

[mossy fox]

[wild mural]

real

[clever path]

Paint fixes everything

[hearty surge]

there is actually some sense to that

[oblique trail]

The paint creates an extra barrier for the damage to penetrate

[clever belfry]

...where

[hearty surge]

No real sense but

[tardy lark]

so thats why the military does it

TIL

[hearty surge]

people put on the warpaint to scare off their enemies

which reduces injury

[tardy lark]

makes snese

[clever belfry]

u also put on warpaint as camo my lad

[hearty surge]

TECHNICALLY

That too

[covert blaze]

What is bro cooking

[clever belfry]

boss cant see me = cant hit me

SO TRUE

[tardy lark]

👨‍🍳

[clever path]

People wear paint in army to block bullets

[hearty surge]

warpaint should give 10% dodge chance

instead of 10% dmg reduction

XDD

[pastel agate]

There are a lot of things of things that take HP from you like the embellishment and the Iced Phial of Corrupting Rage. Also one less button to use 😄

[tardy lark]

then you get hit with global combat

[covert blaze]

Shadowmeld

[clever belfry]

that one monk talent:

[hearty surge]

xdd

either that or a defensive cooldown

[clever belfry]

this one is also not pad at all in most situations

esp when youre like 14% juiced leech MW this surely does a lot in raid

[pastel agate]

[Onslaught] vs. [Odyn's Fury] for season 2 M+?

[oblique trail]

Onslaught

OF just kinda poopoo button by comparison without S3 tier

[hearty surge]

Loboz build

[oblique trail]

I saw Loboz in a group I was in queue for a week ago

The fear I felt

[clever belfry]

Loboz build

[clever belfry]

u wouldve lost

[oblique trail]

malphite quote

https://tenor.com/view/yamatosdeath1-yamatosdeath-malphite-malphite-dance-yamatosdeath-malphite-gif-11200492577091576691

[hearty surge]

Rock Solid

[half cargo]

He queued to my listed key once as well

Had to do a double take

[hearty surge]

Tmy queued into my 28 rise yesterday

almost ran it with double warrior

[mossy fox]

loboz with loboz build beat my arms in a +20 throne last week

[hearty surge]

What

[clever belfry]

2 ez

[oblique trail]

Loboz has perfected the art of overall

[covert blaze]

I can't even fathom how I would keybind loboz build

[hearty surge]

did you play arms for the first time again after a year break?

or

[wild mural]

only gained 14 score from +17 to +21 rise

[mossy fox]

was pretty interesting seeing mobs get deleted before my bladestorm ended

[clever belfry]

but then u realise

the dmg was over then

[mossy fox]

ya

[hearty surge]

did you then wait for 1 Minute 20 seconds

before pulling the next pack

?

[clever belfry]

👑

[mossy fox]

it's like early s1 vibes

delete fast so nobody can do dmg

nah reck rav of does decent dmg for aoe too tbf

so when he wasnt deleting he was still doing ok

boss dmg was poopy

[oblique trail]

S2 simulator

[half cargo]

I think I saw you practice that build on dummies last week?

[covert blaze]

It basically is

[mossy fox]

nah s2 had genuinely good boss dmg

in keys

[oblique trail]

The masses says it doesn't so it couldn't

[mossy fox]

p sure st in s2 was only lacking in raid

[clever path]

S2 was best

[clever belfry]

our ST in s2 in keys was among the best ye

cause the other specs actually lost a bit of their ST in key spec

fury just didnt

[clever path]

Who cares about raid, I care about m+

[hearty surge]

amongus

[clever belfry]

amogus

[shy knot]

Lets be honest without m+ we wouldnt play this game

[clever path]

Exactly and people still voted S3

[wild mural]

untrue

i played more before m+

[mossy fox]

ppl play for different reasons

[shy knot]

Pvp and raid log

[wild mural]

im trying to get 3k cause round number

[shy knot]

Basically the classic experience

[wild mural]

not cause I give a shit about m+

[hearty surge]

You know whats also a round number

2000

[mossy fox]

but yeah im in the m+ boat for sure, weekly raid logging with nothing else to do was usually what made me lose interest and take breaks

[wild mural]

well I can't drop my score can I

[lavish grove]

Raid log until leggo

Next week for sure

[hearty surge]

new character

[wild mural]

why would I not do it on my main

[hearty surge]

Why would you get to 3k because round number

[clever path]

I swear if i boosted a 424 warrior did LFR he would get leggo before my mains

[hearty surge]

unless you can get 3000 exactly

there is no point

[clever path]

Aug week left me at 3009 last season

I wanted exact

[wild mural]

im gonna get 3000 exactly

[barren dagger]

People have it in their brain that 3k is a cap

[barren dagger]

u get better signs/invites for sure

[clever path]

3k is just a nice number

[shy knot]

Its orange

I think

Orange = good

[barren dagger]

AD is also pretty free

Issue with WM is people die to first boss

[wild mural]

yeah

[clever path]

Never had that issue

AD is worse than WM in pugs

[wild mural]

ugh I need to walk into town

[clever path]

My experience

Last boss always

I had to solo it multiple times on my VDH

[lavish grove]

Can confirm, last boss is not good

[clever path]

ppl r dumb

[lavish grove]

Also had to solo it few times (brew)

[pastel agate]

AD Mythic+ is all about the last boss.

[lavish grove]

[final delta]

[shy knot]

Idk how can ppl fuckup that boss so hard

Just leap away

Ez

[clever belfry]

walk with boss
boss walk when spider go glowy
when soulrend go away

[shy knot]

Also reflect every cast the bitch does

[clever belfry]

powerful technology.

[tardy lark]

Double warrior in high tyrannical AD was hella fun

[pastel agate]

I think that might be a legit comp right?

Warriors do well on the last boss.

[clever belfry]

no.

[pastel agate]

No?

[shy knot]

Why

[pastel agate]

Don't we do well on the last boss?

[clever belfry]

You dont play a comp for the easiest key of the season LOL

[pastel agate]

Reflect + Leep + we stack on boss.

[shy knot]

Double reflect

[hearty surge]

On high tyrannical you also dont live the soulrend anymore

[clever belfry]

leap does fucking nothing its 1 global u save at best

[hearty surge]

without defensive

[shy knot]

You avoid spiders

[clever belfry]

and uptime slave classes are always mid so 🤷‍♂️

[hearty surge]

with my gear I die to 31

[pastel agate]

you avoid spiders

[clever belfry]

u dont have to avoid spiders ???

[shy knot]

That isnt nothing

[pastel agate]

We don't all have cool teams with us

[clever belfry]

if your group plays like they got 2 limbs attached to their shoulders

[pastel agate]

We have spiders we need to avoid

[hearty surge]

If you play the boss properly there is never

Nah

[clever belfry]

you literally talked about high keys

[hearty surge]

works with pugs as well

[clever belfry]

if people cant play yazma on high keys

[hearty surge]

if the people are good

[clever belfry]

2 warr is not going to fix that lol

[hearty surge]

[clever path]

I have a 27 ad that will not get done

[pastel agate]

I'm talking about 24+. I alone had 5 pain reflects.

[hearty surge]

24 is not high keys

[pastel agate]

on average it is

[clever belfry]

u dont even need to press a defensive on 24

[hearty surge]

Yes but it is not when the boss actually becomes dangerous

The boss becomes dangerous at like 30-31

[pastel agate]

When does it become dangerous exactly

I see

[hearty surge]

when you dont live the soulrend with just defensive stance

[pastel agate]

Interesting

You're def way ahead of me for sure lol

[fleet sorrel]

[pastel agate]

What was the macro that allows you to flip between your two stances using one button?

[oblique trail]

It's in the pins

[pastel agate]

Ok. That's where I saw it.

Was checking on wowhead lol

Ty @oblique trail

[chrome plover]

i get between 2600 and 2800 a season

weeklies then raid log

[clever path]

Casual

[hearty surge]

at least you do weeklies

more than most raiders do

[chrome plover]

uh well my guild died and I havent logged in for a month

[lavish grove]

[chrome plover]

no hof

[clever path]

My old guild ppl only logged to parse greys

[hearty surge]

I only die to beams on tindral

[shy knot]

I refuse to play this game with no lego

[chrome plover]

when i log back in and leave guild i lose prev hof titles anyway right

[shy knot]

Next week

[pastel agate]

On 24's defensive stance is not even needed

[chrome plover]

oh yeah im gonna come back to fated with no lego too

sheesh

hard times

[hearty surge]

I know

[shy knot]

Tf is a dstance

Thats a pvp skill

[pastel agate]

The issue I usually face is people not doing the basic mechanic of stacking and going to the same spot for soulrend cause spiders are everywhere.

[hearty surge]

People who are in 24s now

are literally worse than people who do 20s for weekly

[pastel agate]

Keep in mind, I pug

[chrome plover]

it lets you give other players in your keys a chance to match your damage

[hearty surge]

so do I?

People who are stuck in the 24 bracket now are there for a reason

[pastel agate]

Don't know what say then lol

[hearty surge]

they try to push but they are too bad

[pastel agate]

I just got here, too haha

[hearty surge]

its difficult to get past there

[shy knot]

Dstance is a good excuse when your dmg is shit

[chrome plover]

elo hell

[pastel agate]

I push 1 key level at a time for each Mythic.

[shy knot]

“ oh damn I had dstance on the whole run my bad”

[wild mural]

Huge

[hearty surge]

I think the best way to get past there

is to just spam your own key

and maybe get a tank mate

someone whos good from pugs

then you can carry those kind of keys on your own

[chrome plover]

adding pugs that arent complete apes is a great tip from when I was pushing keys

[hearty surge]

warrior + vdh can do 24s-25s alone with 3 bots

[pastel agate]

Ty. I think you're right. And be elitist about picking lol.

Pugs can be so toxic at times.

I need me a good DH tank for sure

[hearty surge]

Nah you dont need to be elitist

You just need a tank mate and the other 3 can be bots

doesnt matter

you can just carry the key as long as they do little dmg

[clever path]

I dont care about ilvl or score i care about timed runs ect

[hearty surge]

I mean at 20s you time the key anyways

if its just 1 person

doing everything

[clever path]

Yeah ofc take everything in account

Can never predict if someones actually good

[hearty surge]

Yes but you dont need to be good to time 20s

[clever path]

had a 3.2k rogue who didnt know affix goes on everyone at same time

[hearty surge]

neither 25s

dont need to be good

[shy knot]

I only do keys with vdh tank buddy

[hearty surge]

you just need to not mess up basic things

[clever path]

What people fail most is interrupts and cc

[hearty surge]

Yes but you can carry that in low keys

even as warrior

[shy knot]

I cant stand carrying some boosted mf every key

[hearty surge]

people dont die to random shadow bolts in 25s

[shy knot]

Or toxic ppl

[hearty surge]

so you just need to interrupt certain important casts

like mantle

[clever path]

No its important casts

[hearty surge]

Yeh

[clever path]

Im sweating as tank to do it all

[hearty surge]

you can entirely cover that as warrior

then you pull too much

dont need to pull much in lower keys

[clever path]

No i do normal pulls

[hearty surge]

then how do you struggle

[clever path]

But i play VDH so i can carry better

PUGS

[hearty surge]

when is there ever a pack

where you need to do

[clever path]

Ppl not interrupting once

[hearty surge]

more than 2 important interrupts

[clever path]

Not doing anything

[hearty surge]

so?

[clever path]

At all

Dying to stupid shit

Literally just pugs

[hearty surge]

as vdh you can just do everything on your own

[clever path]

But when did i say I struggle?

[hearty surge]

vdh can literally solo keys

What does it matter if they die you can just solo the key as vdh

[shy knot]

Vdh is 4th dps

[hearty surge]

its so broken rn

[clever path]

I'm just saying the most problematic things in pugs if you play dps/tank whatever is people not interupting and not ccing correct mobs then dying to stupid shit over and over again

But yes I sweat as tank to carry those guys

[hearty surge]

Yes but you still time the keys because they are so lenient

and there is not enough interrupts for you to struggle

like tell me one pull where you need to interrupt more than your kit allows

you to

as vdh

[clever path]

I've had keys ffail because of people

[oblique trail]

Ya it's tied to the guild

[clever path]

And basic mechanics

[oblique trail]

oh

[clever path]

We are talking different things

[hearty surge]

bro

as vdh

you can carry people being perma dead

in 24s-25s

it does not matter

[clever path]

FORGET ME AS VDH IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT

[hearty surge]

literally

[clever path]

i am talking GENERAL PUG PROIBLEMS

[hearty surge]

Yes

[chrome plover]

thought so i dont use it anyway just nice to have

[hearty surge]

it does not matter if youre not vdh

you can do it with any class

[shy knot]

If you see BDK tank prepare for flop fest

[hearty surge]

literally every class in the game has enough tools to carry pugs through 24s-25s

[oblique trail]

Only HoF I've had was when I joined a guild after they finished prog 🐀

[hearty surge]

24s-25s are much easier

this season

MUCH easier

The only reason people are stuck at the 29s-30s barrier is because the one shot mechanics become untankable

[clever path]

People are just bad and don't know what stuff does what, they get into a key do damage get carried, then rinse repeat fail over again, get carried, fail more, get carried more

[hearty surge]

but in lower levels there is 0 threat from those

Yes

but you should be the one to carry them if you want to climb

otherwise you are just the same as them

[clever path]

What do you think I'm doing?

[hearty surge]

Yeh

well if youre doing it thats good for you no?

[clever path]

No not really cause that's not fun, carrying people not fun

[hearty surge]

I think its satisfying to outperform everyone in the key

and then timing it as well

[clever path]

If it wasn't every key then I am fine with boosting carrying here and there but most pugs it's 80% of the time

[hearty surge]

Thats 24s-25s

right now

just get past the point

you only need to do it once

then youre past it permanently

Takes 1 fortified and 1 tyrannical week to get past it

[clever path]

Yeah that's why I am just playing different characters

[hearty surge]

then youre done forever and never have to do it again

[fleet cargo]

rule 1 of pug .. dont trust to rio too much

it can be false sometimes

[clever path]

Too late in season to care much about pushing for me at least

[hearty surge]

I started last week

[pastel agate]

True but what do you do

[fleet cargo]

saw 3.2 3.3k io failers when im only 3k

[shy knot]

I think pugging should track your overall dps

[clever belfry]

..you shouldnt care about pushing before its "late"

[pastel agate]

You try to with the best you can

[shy knot]

This current system is ass

[clever belfry]

like yeah boohoo i got some rank 1-5 keys week 3

[hearty surge]

That is just ass advice

[clever belfry]

holy balls im a KING

[shy knot]

You take mf with 2800 io and hes utter trash 100k dps

[hearty surge]

what else are you going to trust

[clever belfry]

(this is an irrelevant stat)

[hearty surge]

you have nothing else to go off

unless you look at logs

[shy knot]

How is that even possible

[hardy cargo]

👑

[hearty surge]

HELLO; WHAT ABOUT OUR 23 world 1 shadowmoon valley last patch

[clever belfry]

holy guacamole!!!

[shy knot]

Track avg overall dmg and its fixed

[hearty surge]

Thats just stupid

Dmg literally doesnt matter

in keys

[clever belfry]

mages overall will look kinda bad compared to other classes if they play like a human

but they do a lot of relevant damage

[hearty surge]

• they dont die

[clever path]

Not dying is what is important and doing mechanics properly

[hearty surge]

which is the important thing

and they dodge everything

and play everything

[lavish grove]

Bad idea

[clever path]

They amount of stacks I've seen on that rise spinny boss is INSANE

Baiting mid when I tell them stand with me to bait

[shy knot]

Do a run with 3 120k overalls

[clever belfry]

i mean yeah u keep actively playing with non human players

[pastel agate]

Which one?

[clever belfry]

unlucky for u ig

[lavish grove]

[clever path]

The alliance horde one I dont know name

[hearty surge]

there is never gonna be 3 120k overalls

if I am one of the dps

and then it doesnt matter what they do

If they play everything properly you still time the keys

i dont know what you are on about

[shy knot]

Avg dmg would help to filter shit meta rerollers

[lavish grove]

It wont

[shy knot]

Also amount of keys bricked/left

[pastel agate]

Ahh gotcha. What do you mean by the amount of stacks?

[hearty surge]

If you think that tracking dps in keys is going to fix the systems you are cracked

[clever path]

I did 160k overall on my VDH #1 dps 🙂

[hearty surge]

and I want some of the shit you are taking

[mossy fox]

idk why people blame other people so much, happens in every game

[clever path]

If he shockwaves ads he gains stacks

[hearty surge]

Yeh exactly

[pastel agate]

Ohhhhh yea

[shy knot]

Theres mfs with literally 100 keys left

[hearty surge]

If you are good enough you will get higher rating anyways

the other people dont matter

[shy knot]

And you dont know

[mossy fox]

ya, you have control over your own gameplay, just get better yourself

[shy knot]

Professional key brickers

[clever path]

5 people in a group one is bound to fuck up, me included, It does happen, I don't mind it as long as it's not every key, If i fuck up bad I take a break

[hearty surge]

You dont get those people in higher rating

because they just get known and nobody takes them

Just get to higher rating and you dont have the issue

its all on you :)

[clever path]

I've made some stupid mistakes but I learned lol

[shy knot]

If you do 29s maybe sure

[hearty surge]

Nah

it happens on 27s already

players base is so small

you see the same people

again and again

and if someone fucks up you dont take them anymore

you never have the issue again

[shy knot]

These mfs parasite around the 20 range usually meta dps spec

[clever path]

I don't get why people get mad for keys. Like I other games when you lose you lose ranking, in Wow you can only rank up so just move on and do an other key ?

[hearty surge]

Exactly

[mossy fox]

I pug 20-28s for fun, no hard feelings if people fuck up/dont play well

[hearty surge]

imagine if you lost rio for depleted keys

[shy knot]

In other games you dont lose 1hr of your time

[lavish grove]

Waste of time plus depletes your key

[pastel agate]

Dang. Is it really that small?

[shy knot]

For 1 brick mf

Who enjoys being toxic and leaving for no reason

[hearty surge]

Its the same in high elo in every game

[chrome plover]

I feel like people get more mad in other games

[hearty surge]

you just know the people

[clever path]

I never call people out in party chat, Never ever, I just hope after key they learn and improve.

Same for myself