fury

[foggy urchin]

y'all suck

i have fyr'alath even in my pfp

[spiral oasis]

good one buddy but ur a bad liar sorry pal

[sinful spoke]

u knoiw what

ill log in

and show u

[spiral oasis]

What, more photoshop? 🙄

Guess what pal my mental is unbreakable

[sinful spoke]

surely

[spiral oasis]

Nobody has these trinkets or the legendary

I will be the first one to get it 💪

[sinful spoke]

@spiral oasis

took me a bit to make this but

💀

[spiral oasis]

actually went thru all the trouble to photoshop these 😭 ur crazy

[sinful spoke]

real

[hallow galleon]

yo if im loot specced prot when i kill fyrakk, can the lego still drop or do i need to be specced arms/fury?

[hardy cargo]

it can still drop

[hallow galleon]

cool

[robust basin]

So, I have 40ms, no lag... anyone know what causes me to turn into Goku inside raid instances?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477982152714092556/1200653810998202468/ezgif-1-8f5669d7b0.gif?ex=65c6f6ff&is=65b481ff&hm=402445f879cbc538188fc813991153d1c84c0198a8cff18d07281ebdf8966529&

Been happening for months

I do not see anything, only my guild

Is this what it means to be a mythic level fury?

[warm crag]

older bug

you and the person who sees you like this restarting supposedly fixes it

[covert blaze]

yeah relogging fixes it afaik

[robust basin]

The entire raid sees it at the same time and it fixes when I relog, but it returns for the entire raid around 30 seconds later.

[left perch]

Have you tried not being Goku

[robust basin]

No

I don't wanna

I enjoy this bug, it doesn't happen to anyone else in raid.

[hardy cargo]

goku is pretty cool....

[left perch]

happened to a pug DH earlier today but

his pc crashed after about 5 min of it

And then it stopped

[robust basin]

I was inside of myself

[fluid cedar]

next week for sure

[robust basin]

Already have the kill

[frail trout]

the legendary feels pretty cool on tindral, I will probably think less of it once we are done with that boss

feels good to rip debuffs off the roots and funnel them into tindral

[magic inlet]

i know this has probably been talked to death, and i have read the pins, just confirming is the consensus for the leggo to just use it whenever? like does it benefit in any way from being used within the cooldown window? or should i save it for when i dont really have a great button to press

[left perch]

[fleet cargo]

Yo furies

At tindral do u keep odyn for adds ?

[covert blaze]

:kissahomie:

[covert blaze]

When your cds are over unless you miss a use i would say

[magic inlet]

sounds good thanks for an actual response @covert blaze

sorry for wanting a more nuanced and human response than whats in the pins @left perch. this is prime example of why i never chat in here

[warm crag]

usually trying to fit it in the fight is more important

if you know your killtime is 2:10 you might wanna fit it in your opener

[olive wraith]

But the pins were written by a human

[magic inlet]

in the scenario of fitting it into your opener when would you do it? instead of charge? and then you just open as normal?

[warm crag]

i mean no offense but it is properly discussed in the pins, if you have more specific questions or situations from specific fights you can ask abt them

[left perch]

I put the chatting emoji too

so I wasn’t being entire prick, just a tiny

[sullen dove]

y would 2:10 matter

[covert blaze]

[sullen dove]

youre only getting 1 use of leggo

just use it after cds

[magic inlet]

its on a 2min cd so you could use it twice in that scenario no?

[sullen dove]

.. is it not 2min 30 sec?

[oblique trail]

no that's Branch

Lego is 2 min

[covert blaze]

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-my-honest-reaction-bocchi-my-honest-reaction-anime-my-honest-reaction-gif-27490244

[warm crag]

cause its a 2 minute cd you absolute noober noob noob nooberio noob! i can tell you are a noob

[sullen dove]

[warm crag]

prepare for obliteration

[sullen dove]

noob because no rng drop i deserve this

[olive wraith]

You’re not even good if you don’t have it

[magic inlet]

so in the scenario of a fight lasting like 4 and a bit minutes when would you guys use it? in the opener somewhere im guessing but when i guess is my question

[sullen dove]

idk i mean opener's fine i guess if you like reck charge ramp then use it

typically you lust pull most bosses anyway

you wanna be enraged so u have extra haste to make channel faster

the only thing you technically lose is like, 2ish seconds of reck with the rest of your opening cds

so like reck charge ramp leggo odyns bb ramp > everything else

[magic inlet]

thank you

[sullen dove]

if channel is too long and it turns out youre not enraged for the bb then prolly just send the ramp before anyway

[fleet cargo]

Do u use reck b4 charge so u can make more rage from charge ?

[sullen dove]

but feel like it should be

yea basically guarantees rampage first global upon hitting boss

[fleet cargo]

Ahh

İ was priotizing recks uptime over this rotation

Prioritizing*

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk reck is still nice but its not like a giga mandatory buff like last season

20% extra crit on abilities is still damage and helps a bit with cdr but dont think its like end of the world or anything to "waste" a few seconds of it

[magic inlet]

tbh avatar feels more impactful than reck other than the rotation feeling nicer during reck

[sullen dove]

yea 20% damage buff is def better than 20% crit, also rly satisfying it pops the off gcd of

its funny the roles kinda reverse with s2 tier reck becomes infinitely more important to keep high uptime and avatar is just kinda taken along for the ride

not that reck feels good at all it just is more important

[magic inlet]

i hated the s3 set at first but tbh this is the best i've ever played the class imo. my mythic parses have never been better than this season. and i feel like im playing at a decently high level and having fun with it.

last season the rotation felt very clean tho besides BT kinda feeling awkward at some moments

[sullen dove]

yea its just objectively the better raiding set, ppl only up in arms about how we are in m+ which while aoe dmg isnt great still crank a lot of boss damage to make up for it

[magic inlet]

i just kinda hated only feeling good to press BT when it was stacked up. basically made a button that im used to just hitting whenever i needed it off limits at times

[sullen dove]

ya it felt bad to use ER to stay alive

[magic inlet]

but i got used to it and you cant argue with sending reck/ravager every like 30 seconds

[sullen dove]

yea that stuffs definitely fun in m+ and all, just incredibly inconvenient and bad for 99% of raid fights

and raid is like 90% of my game

[magic inlet]

i felt like a god on M sark tho

[sullen dove]

ye its decent on sark but i think odyns would just be better

those adds move and get gripped and shit a ton

[magic inlet]

having basically all CDs for adds every time

[warm crag]

you will press n and then you will press arms

[young swan]

OF would gap yeah

[sullen dove]

correct

[young swan]

current fury would actually put s2 fury in the dirt on that boss

[sullen dove]

the only fight i think this expac that ravager would somewhat be 1 to 1 with odyns on is broodkeeper but even those adds sometimes move a lot

[young swan]

because, shocker, you actually do boss damage

[sullen dove]

pmuch every other fight with adds tho there comes a point they die too fast and odyns is just superior

[fleet cargo]

Guys that gorehowl perk only works on demons ?

[young swan]

yes

[fleet cargo]

Damn

[oblique trail]

Dw it'll pop off in BRH and DHT

[warm crag]

it works on some of my m+ teammates

[oblique trail]

(It's like 1% of your damage probably)

[warm crag]

especially on banezi

[sullen dove]

the like 3 demons in dht

[fleet cargo]

😂😂

[oblique trail]

Foxbane works spectacularly on Spongeuwu

[young swan]

my fav affix is cringebane absolutely annihilates the entirety of the wow populace

[fleet cargo]

İ think only brh has demons ?

[sullen dove]

theres some in dht

[young swan]

dht does as well

[sullen dove]

just not a lot

[young swan]

the satyrs

in the last hallway

[fleet cargo]

Yeahh right

[young swan]

• imps i guess

[oblique trail]

Guess I never mentioned it above =)

[young swan]

bring back armor swapping in m+

[fleet cargo]

Pretty much useless outside of that 2 dungeon then

[sullen dove]

bonzai misinformation challenge

[warm crag]

you will not withstand the garrote ambush rupture ambush slice and dice mutilate mutilate envenom deathmark (branch) shiv kingsbane (shadow dance) garrote mutilate envenom (build spend for a few seconds) shiv (build spend for a few seconds) vanish garrote (build spend) etc

i forgot thistle tea in there

FUCK!

[oblique trail]

you will not with stand the sigil of flame immolation aura fel rush hunt immolation aura eye beam fel rush vengeful retreat essence break death sweep metamorphosis death sweep eyebeam immolation aura fel rush (got reset) opener

[fleet cargo]

Ok i want to change subject and ask a weirdo question

İf u had 1m dollars.. would u be still playing wow ?

İd say yes if u ask me

[oblique trail]

What does having money have to do with playing something you might enjoy

[tall turret]

Yes just in a nicer house

[fleet cargo]

Good point friend

[covert blaze]

what

[tall turret]

1m isn’t exactly a lot

[fleet cargo]

İ could live with its interest

[covert blaze]

oh i guess it's friday

people are cooked

[fleet cargo]

İ actually dont want to marry .. and want to play wow all day long until i die someday

[tall turret]

[covert blaze]

based

[oblique trail]

I'm sorry

my condolences

slave to wow

no worse fates

[fleet cargo]

i was a gambler before

Wow is 10000000 or infinite x better than it

[sullen dove]

if i had 1mil dollars id probably play wow an equal amount but then id play other games cuz then i wouldnt go to school

if u not raidlogging rn youre doin it wrong

[oblique trail]

I can't raidlog when my character 10 weeks later still miss items

[sullen dove]

im missing 2 real items

one is off mythic fyrakk

the other is off fyrakk

ama

[fleet cargo]

Guys

Btw

Yesterday i got one hand from fyrak

İ rolled for need and i got it

[sullen dove]

gigantonormous

[fleet cargo]

So....

Should i switch to smf dagger build ?

😂😂

[sullen dove]

stole it from someone that mightve actually used it

hope you get what you deserve

[fleet cargo]

Haha

U know what

İ went to throne with some fury

İ was arms

We both were farming ocean

[left perch]

yea can confirm

[fleet cargo]

Tank gave it to me while other fury deserved that actually

And then he said

"dude hope ur weekly is shit"

İn dm

We both asked for roll

But i cried a lot

So ruski tank gave it to me

[sullen dove]

[fleet cargo]

Sorry for my shit english btw

[fleet cargo]

And btw my weekly was shit

[sullen dove]

got the might tho

[fleet cargo]

Think his wishes become real

İ think i need to buy some cheap lappy for my workplace for watching streamers because mobile is shit for that

İ have shitload of freetime at work

İm probably having the most easy job on the world ^^

[fleet cargo]

Whole group is so silent.. i think most of eu folks still sleeping and na folks doing keys

[sudden tusk]

keys are on hold til legendary

[fleet cargo]

U must be having good patience

While playing wow i cant stand at my chair without doing keys

[oblique trail]

It's incorp + sanguine

horrible m+ week

would rather just afk than touch keys

[sudden tusk]

im being a fantasy man

[fleet cargo]

İ find it challengeing

[oblique trail]

The final fantasy one might say

[sullen dove]

average au ra transmog:

[fleet cargo]

Andddd

[fleet cargo]

İts never horrible when it is forti

[sinful spoke]

this is my ffxiv

character

🙂

[oblique trail]

I don't really care if it's fortified or tyrannical it's still shit

Remove affixes

[sullen dove]

aint no way bunny boy

[oblique trail]

Let me just have fun and press buttons and do damage

[sullen dove]

just say u wanna be a sub

[fleet cargo]

Hahhaahha

[sinful spoke]

bro

[fleet cargo]

Kdkdjdjfjd

[sinful spoke]

swordish

if u saw

hold on

[sullen dove]

bunny girl >> peak

[sinful spoke]

this is so

femboy

[sullen dove]

na

[fleet cargo]

i want 4th affix backk

[sullen dove]

i dont wanna look at it

[oblique trail]

Average FF player

[sinful spoke]

HAHAHAHHAHA

[oblique trail]

no

[sullen dove]

most masculine ff player

[sudden tusk]

new 4rth affix

[sinful spoke]

but like

[sudden tusk]

phys damage increaseed by 30%

[sinful spoke]

before bun boys came out @sullen dove

[sudden tusk]

hybrid burnt the fuc kout

[sullen dove]

ye

this is my char's face

[sinful spoke]

bro

ive never seen anyone play elf

ur the only perosn

[sullen dove]

i am not like the rest of you

i am a free thinker

[sudden tusk]

you wana see some free thinkin

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[sullen dove]

my guy so fly

[sudden tusk]

so called free thinkers when the number can go up

[sullen dove]

my friend is like this

i.e. chronic grass avoider

[fleet cargo]

İmagine playing something else than a wow .. thats something i cant do...

[sullen dove]

ive like, literally only unlocked 4 jobs

and i barely play 3 of them

[sudden tusk]

im NOT completing the blue mage spell list fuck that

[sullen dove]

pussy

[fleet cargo]

Plz someone open discussion im bored aff

İm ok to any atm

Cant fuking watch streams on mobile... Experience is sh*tt

[lean wasp]

whats like the most used trinket/trinket comp in prog

[fleet cargo]

Good q

İt changes from boss to boss i think

But signet is being used for the most i guess

You can check either from subcreation or warcraftlogs

[lean wasp]

seems nobody is using crab

[oblique trail]

Augury + Rezan/Brand

[lean wasp]

almost everyone is using aug+signet for every fight

[oblique trail]

Earlier fights are short enough for Rezan to occasionally be better, depending on your RNG and killtimer

[lean wasp]

well depending on my guild no fight is short

we managed to get to enrage everytime on council

idk if we make it past smolderon like this

so yeah that signet is never coming off of me this season

[graceful rapids]

Mights pretty good too

For short fights

Like on use for hero then on use for cd’s during execute

[gilded pawn]

Yeah insane in a 2 min fight

[full shadow]

is there a way to turbo farm rares for the taut tethercoil?

[flat sapphire]

The quests for the legendary is a pain

[drowsy sage]

At least You have the quest :(((

[flat sapphire]

true sadly

[shy knot]

Imagine having lego

[tall turret]

Must be nice

[somber elk]

Imagine complaining about the quest

Being able to complain

[clever escarp]

Imagine not having the lego

[oblique trail]

I don't have to imagine it

[lyric panther]

The superbloom requirement is dumb. Also the 5 minute cooldown you have to click 20 times.

[lean wasp]

yeah but in prog when you got no augury whats's the next best is it still might or is crab good in prog ?

[lean wasp]

you bring friends for that 5 minute cd

[lyric panther]

feelsbad

[lean wasp]

you can get up to 25% per use

they have to catch the orbs tho

[lyric panther]

yeah I know couldn't get anyone to do it its not too bad to do it whilst doing the other parts

[lean wasp]

yeah but like its the last part and you can almost touch the legendary

[lyric panther]

you had it a while? Made mine yesterday but not had chance to use it just going to get a feel for it in m+

[lean wasp]

everyone made his this week including mee

[lean wasp]

the dot does shit ton of damage and the on use is ok

it ticks 5k for me and 10k on crit

and it applies as soon as you touch anything

[clever path]

Isn’t there a tech with proving grounds for that

[fickle sedge]

yeah it resets the cd

[unborn jacinth]

Is there a way to track Frenzy on nameplates/plater as in which mob is the primary target for your rampages?

[lean wasp]

yolo

[winter fossil]

Hello guys, question...what do u prefer crafted rings with Versa and Mastery or the BIS rings suggested on WowHead

[abstract dock]

Sim it

[winter fossil]

Then I think this will be the same answer for another question :p

Thanks!

[slim coral]

how did this channel get consumed into ff14

what is happening

[worldly shard]

Because

[worldly shard]

I’ve seen Bobby Kotick make ideas and plans for all the Blizzard games, he doesn’t even use a monitor or his brain. He visualizes the money in his bank account in a detailed rendering that he got from sad and depressed people that overpay for all the cosmetics that give an advantage in Asmongolds Transmog competitions completely in his mind. He has a biological wall hack; his godlike perception highlights all peoples money within light years that are about to be sent to his bank account. His eyes are closed as his mouse gracefully swerves across the desk, making immaculate twitches as he watches his bank account become filled with money and then spams 1-5 keybinds to buy more yachts and jets. The money per seconds(MNS) that escapes his massive seasoned Big Mac from McDonald's physique makes a massive dent in peoples brain and wallets

[broken kindle]

hi guys, what embelleshment do I need as fury? shadowflame/versa bracers or haste pants? m+ wise, ty alot

[clever path]

So

People have issues with talking stuff about Paladin and whatever

sharing, comparing

and then they explode like its some triggering event

And when the theme goes completeley offtopic to another game, everyone is ok with it

y'all funny sometimes, yknow

[hoary locust]

can i somehow can be without berz stance during raid?

and not in def stance

if i swap lets say talents from arms to fury before combat

[clever path]

why would you not want to be in berserker stance during raid

unless you are getting clapped and had to use a def stance

[hoary locust]

i mean somehow by mistake ofcourse

coz i suspect i hadnt after we kill bosses in hc. coz it was availible to press after battle

i was in stance less state somehow?

[clever path]

yeah so you might have dropped it while switching specs

and forgot to put it

Otherwise its impossible

Either that, or you (if you have) keybind and slammed it while keyboard face rolling

like all warriors do

[hoary locust]

oh

[clever path]

and paladins

[proud crown]

changing spec drops stance

[high quest]

Is mirror any good for m+? Playing Fury

[warm crag]

it's very good if you can play around it

otherwise might is less effort

[azure holly]

if you are capped and have the BT buff from rampage, do you BT to consume it?

does that change if you have the OF/Avatar buff also?

[hoary locust]

any good weakaura which bash me when iam not in zerk stance?

[eternal sundial]

Always spend BB

[azure holly]

Bloodbath?

so it always has prio no matter what?

regardless of the 2 buffs, rage etc

[sullen basin]

What is this, spending CB with capped rage?

[eternal sundial]

Yes

Unless Aj drops next global

[azure holly]

Reckless Abandon and Furious Bloodthirst buffs

[azure holly]

what about normal BT then? same applies?

[full hinge]

what weapon enchants do people use?

[clever path]

all of them

[full hinge]

brudda

[warm crag]

i usually see wafting and a stat proccing one, sim it for your character for best results

[azure holly]

how long do you hold Reck for, for OF/Avatar?

what's the general threshold
before you just Reck alone

[lusty slate]

is crit better than mastery only for multi target ?

[eternal sundial]

Bt above ramp at max 100 ish rage

[warm crag]

reck is the same cd as avatar? worst case its delayed by like 3 seconds

[sullen dove]

prolly not "better than mastery" cuz u still want a lot of mastery

[azure holly]

yeah but what if you have the buffs and you're overcapped?

[sullen dove]

but just better generally

[azure holly]

it is? not at all in my experience

one of the talents reduce Reck cd right?

don't remember which one tho

[sullen dove]

you dont... take that talent this season

[warm crag]

yeah but we don't play that with t31

[eternal sundial]

100 rage and no BB so u ramp

[azure holly]

hmm I picked the talents from wowhead idk

but OF certainly doesn't line up

[lusty slate]

Reck is good until you get T31

[azure holly]

what if you have Reckless Abandon buff?

then you'd waste it if you rampage

[eternal sundial]

Then you bb

[warm crag]

wowhead doesn't promote a t31 build with anger management

[eternal sundial]

I told u like 2 messages ago

[sullen dove]

basically impossible to have 100 rage and bb still

[eternal sundial]

AJ extend>Bb>ramp

[sullen dove]

but yea bb big fuq

[azure holly]

but to the other point, how long do you hold Reck/Avatar for OF?

since OF doesn't align due to cd reduction

[sullen dove]

what is being held

[warm crag]

change your talents

[sullen dove]

you just hit of on its own

[azure holly]

Reck/Avatar

[sullen dove]

and reck typically goes together with avatar

[azure holly]

yes but how long are you willing to hold them for OF?

before you just Reck/Avatar and not OF

[eternal sundial]

Not rlly

[sullen dove]

there is 0 reason to hold them for of

[azure holly]

ok

so you use them immediately every time

[sullen dove]

you might hold them for like, if ur not gonna get another set of cooldowns on a boss and youd rather it be in execute range

[azure holly]

then if OF lines up, that's just cherry on top

[sullen dove]

but thatsp retty niche

yea

of is its own set of "mini cooldowns" and avatar/reck together are the main cooldowns

[azure holly]

so BB has prio above spending while overcapped, what about roar?

[sullen dove]

its not as if you particularly "lose value" anyway cuz i dont think you can fit 4 bb's into a spear without lust

[azure holly]

would you use that while capped or you spend first?

[eternal sundial]

Doesnt matter just rip it enraged

But spend sounds better

[azure holly]

aight

[sullen dove]

either way its really unlikely to be close to overcap and still have to press bb

but roar could technically just be any filler

take the place of any filler*

[azure holly]

idk about you, but with sudden death I feel like I get overcapped a lot lol

[sullen dove]

like ramp > bb > roar > bt > normal stuff

[azure holly]

in Reck you do either BT or Execute and you're capped

[sullen dove]

generally after you rampage you basically always bb immediately

nearly no exceptions outside of idk maybe opener

[azure holly]

yeah I feel like there's no room for execute at that point

[sullen dove]

where you odyns/spear

[azure holly]

cuz you get overcapped instantly if you do

I guess execute has low prio?

[sullen dove]

yea i mean youd normally bb directly after rampage over execute unless youre running juggernaut talent and youre semi tracking buff is about to fall off

but i cant imagine most ppl actually bother with that

plus u only use that talent on 3 fights max

the most min-maxy it gets is on smolderon

[hearty surge]

You also bb after rampage with juggernaut

You just prio execute over rampage with juggernaut

[sullen dove]

i think if your AJ has like 1 second left at 5 stacks itd be silly to not execute first

and lose those stacks

but yea again super unlikely situation anyway

unless u randomly get pushed off boss for 10 seconds

[hearty surge]

Yes but that never happens if you play rotation properly

Because your rotation in execute usually looks like this bt -> exe -> bt -> rampage repeat

Unless you have of stacks where you want the bloodbaths

And theoretically if you want to min max it changes a little after the last of cast of the fight

When you don't need to prio bt as highly as you won't get a reset anyways

[burnt stone]

Brothers, this is a picture of my omni CD.
My goal is that I don't want my shockwave to overlap anyone else's CC.
Is there a setting that is more convenient than the setting I tried or that allows you to view only the CC icons?

[hearty surge]

But you really shouldn't bother with that if you learn the class

[hearty surge]

What do you mean

[lusty slate]

Is there a way to sim execute phase on raidbots ?

[hearty surge]

There is a setting called patchwork execute

[lusty slate]

Oh neat ty

[hearty surge]

Or idk the exact name but you should find it in the boss settings

[errant vessel]

There are multiple times where you have Reck up for more than 15s and you should prio BB->Ramp cycling over Execute - not that niche at all I think

[burnt stone]

With the OmniCD setting, is it possible to collect only CC skills among ally skills and create a bar form?

[hearty surge]

That is also dependant on talent choice actually

[eternal sundial]

Yes you can recreate the bar for interrupts

[errant vessel]

We’re talking with ST talents obv

[hearty surge]

You can remove spells that are non cc if you want that, or you can create a bar like the interrupt one with a weakaura

[burnt stone]

Five people play together on the phone, but no one expects my shockwaves. So I think I need to write it well so that it doesn't overlap.

[eternal sundial]

Do they not ask for it?

[hearty surge]

Idk what he means with overlap

[eternal sundial]

You use sweep after he swaves

For example

[hearty surge]

Does he mean they overlap cc or it overlaps in the bars

[eternal sundial]

The cc i think

[hearty surge]

Then they should use the interrup weakaura for cc as well

That's probably the best option you can have

[eternal sundial]

That one is wild

[hearty surge]

I mean the one that everyone uses

Idk the name

[eternal sundial]

The max one

[hearty surge]

All it does is create similar bars for cc spells instead of icons from omnicc

[eternal sundial]

Oh you mean that thing

Zen Tracker

[hearty surge]

I mean you can write one yourself with minimal weak aura knowledge, you just need to know how to pull cds

Yeh

That's the name

[azure holly]

why can I not apply my toxified armor patch on bracers?

it's not in the list

[sullen dove]

what are you using toxified patch for...

[burnt stone]

https://wago.io/pmCi3KFmh
Before I know it, I'm becoming a bad guy who just tells my colleagues who enjoy M+ together that their buffs are disappearing. I want to be more helpful to the team lol

[warm crag]

why do you want a toxin patch

[azure holly]

supposedly it's BiS?

[sullen dove]

[warm crag]

are you a rogue?

[azure holly]

the sim build uses it over the other bracers

[warm crag]

link

please

[sullen dove]

lol

[azure holly]

wait is it the wrong one

did I buy the leather one

[sullen dove]

shadow flame armor patch is what we use

toxic is leather and mail only pretty sure

[hearty surge]

Bro is panicking like his profile picture rn

[sullen dove]

the effect also does absolutely nothing on its own

[azure holly]

bruh I thought I was being blind

[hearty surge]

Spent his last gold on toxified armor patch

[warm crag]

imo you should also just craft the vers bracers instead

[azure holly]

I have gold lol, just not on this char

[hearty surge]

Realising you can't put it on plate items

[sullen dove]

i mean... u can just resell the patch

gotta say first time i seen that tho

[azure holly]

yeah why not

[hearty surge]

Use allied wristguarda of companionship

They're your bis

[azure holly]

not in the BiS sim though

[hearty surge]

Yes because that's pure st

When do you ever play pure st

[azure holly]

ah so the other excel in cleave ok

[hearty surge]

You want both but

Get companionship first

Prio because there's more cleave than pure st

[restive peak]

Vers bracers are better overall

[sour frigate]

Class diversity

[restive peak]

Basically same ST, such a minuscule diff you’d never notice it, better survivability, immediately better for DPS once a 2nd target is introduced etc

Vers also scales w leggo etc

If you wanna do an SF item as first craft, make cloak

[past pivot]

Are you crafting for your sims or for actual gameplay?

[plush ice]

Does vers actually scale w the leggo?

[modest condor]

other way around

lego scales with vers

and crit and haste

[plush ice]

Does combat pot affect it

[modest condor]

no

unless you have a pot that increases crit, vers or haste

[sharp kayak]

recrafts here i come. but first: get the leggo

[plush ice]

Kk ty, not that I have it yet lol

[flat sapphire]

Whats that addon

I Still have no addon or wa for that

[hoary locust]

we ignore sudden death proc til avatar and reck over? at start with bl

[modest condor]

unless you're low on rage yeah just keep doing ramp bb

can happen like once in a blue moon

[sour frigate]

what

[flat sapphire]

@sour frigate

[clever path]

i thought ret would be better tbh

[sour frigate]

premade group filter iirc

[lapis eagle]

lariat or SF cloak ?

[sour frigate]

id go lariat

[lapis eagle]

ye thinking the same

[hallow moth]

I feel like 3k is the new 2k

[sour frigate]

its true

prev season 3k was somelike decent

now 3.2k is clown

[modest condor]

i dont think 3k last season was all that decent, even before they changed the scaling

[sour frigate]

well at least i didnt meet people who fail even 18s so often

[plush ice]

21 is the newish 18

i used to really only do 18's, now i really just do 21's for the weekly when i was still running them

at 21 its not high enough for anything to matter, but high enough that you'll probablly only have 1 carry a run

and a warrior can easily carry a 21

[sour frigate]

true

im pushing as monk rn

the fucking glass cannon

[plush ice]

20 can still be dicey, cause you can have people building the group thats just trying to get thier portals, and like, the only keys that acutal fail are like 18s

so i feel 21 is the sweet spot

[ashen lily]

Hello! What combo of trinkets is best for M+? I have augury, signet, rezan's, and might

[past pivot]

Augury and Might

[ashen lily]

ty ❤️

[past pivot]

Rezan is for ST. Signet is mostly for ST. Can be ok for keys if you can keep stack up but Augury and Might are BIS for m+

[ashen lily]

okie dokie

[clever belfry]

did the scaling change even do anything relevant for 3k players? Its all keys on 22.5 average ya? So you got 2 1/2 levels of reduced scaling. So like 8% scaling xdd

[modest condor]

i guess

[sleek zenith]

is it possible to dual wield lego?

[young swan]

no

[past pivot]

Only if you can hack it to give the quest twice and not be suspended for hacking

[junior gale]

Only in transmog

[deft thicket]

wtf is wrong with pallas?? why tf they are so manyyy?

[past pivot]

fotm

[deft thicket]

probably.. i prefer to gear my alt dk or priest instead of this thing

[clever path]

because paladins are cool

the mogs are great

[clever path]

it is on the tournament realm

[deft thicket]

cooler than dk? probably not 😛

[young swan]

paladin is easy, does a lot of damage, and can equip the lego

[deft thicket]

yeah we can equip the lego too so?

we are not the same

[clever path]

definately not, didnt say that they were

[young swan]

paladin is easy and does a lot of damage

[clever path]

DK > Paladin > warrior (in style ofc)
in gameplay
Warrior > Paladin > DK

[junior gale]

Can't forget ret is also a fake melee and basically ignores all downsides to being a melee spec

[clever path]

it counts as a melee spec?

[young swan]

unfortunately

[clever path]

i swear i am never in melee range

[frank dawn]

Ret does like 90% of its full damage from 20 yards away

Shits wild

[junior gale]

Just casually doing 90% of your dmg 15 yards away from the boss

[past pivot]

DK transmog sets are good but they don't have variety. Can't mix and match like warrior. Basically full-set Andys

[clever path]

So Paladin is like hunter but with holy magic particles

[deft thicket]

cmon.. how do you say no to the s3 mog of dk? 😛

[olive wraith]

Ret still needs to melee for resource

[clever path]

Warrior Tier 3 is actually a DK set

just when tier 3 released DK wasnt in the game

[olive wraith]

They can just us most their abilities from range

[young swan]

still 8yrd melee lmfao

[past pivot]

Most DK sets are based on warrior sets not the other way around

[olive wraith]

Fair

[clever path]

You can mix and match them most because most of DK sets have skulls and bones on them

or are blue or red

Warrior mix matching is liek having an identity crysis

[past pivot]

Not very well

[junior gale]

Yes they still have to be in melee for max dmg but they aren't punished by stepping off the boss because they can still do most of their dmg from ranged

[unreal onyx]

im always happy for offset pieces in raid being DK appearance and not warrior or pally

paladin sets are ugly 80% of the time

[young swan]

council helm

[unreal onyx]

that one is ok imo

definetly would've preferred the DK helm tho

(to not having to buy it)

[junior gale]

Warrior sets are coinflip good or bad no in-between.

[past pivot]

You can make a warrior look more like a DK or pally than you can the other way around, imo

[unreal onyx]

true

[clever path]

Well thats true, but what IS the definition of a warrior mog outsidde of:

1. Is maghar
2. Has tusks
3. Gorehowl

[unreal onyx]

T3

[clever path]

Eh, you really mog it with DK stuff tho

[past pivot]

Dreadnaught. Onslaught.

[clever path]

if not then full tier 3

Onslaught yea true, provide me with something onslaught mogs well WITH then

[deft thicket]

also may i ask what class do you suggest me to gear as alt?? any recommendations? i wa sthinking lock, priest or maybe dk! just want your opinion too 🙂

[past pivot]

Whatever you enjoy

[clever path]

thats just a full set

[past pivot]

Yes, like a DK

[clever path]

What I meant was that you dont have that many individual warrior pieces that stand out truly like a warrior and that fit mixing and matching without loosing identity

[past pivot]

I wear a belt if things are too loose

[deft thicket]

yeah ofc.. the thing is im attracted so much by their mogs and dunno what to choose.. i hate it..also i like their playstyle..

[past pivot]

Only played UHDK on my alt this season and it bores me

[clever path]

UHDK plays well when you have augvoker or in pvp

but yea its giga boring

[deft thicket]

yeah i have heard that.. for dk i was thinking blood tbh to try tanking, priest shadow and for lock destro or demo.. now if you have any other class to recommend me it will be nice to hear your opinions

[past pivot]

Not played every spec but I have all 13 classes at 70, between 487 and 425 and UHDK in the bottom for fun this expansion for me. Not sure why because I usually have really enjoyed DK play but it just seems lackluster. Maybe it's the gear level as the DK is only 451 or 452

[strong tusk]

Who’s better in raid. Dmg wise arms/fury/uh/frost

Let’s say all have Aug

[deft thicket]

hmm i see.. too bad i have limited time and cant choose all the classes i want..

[acoustic furnace]

This is heavily player dependent. But I'd say Fury would have the best overall performance out of this list. UH is close and may even be better with PI.

Frost is total shit and arms is meh

[past pivot]

Was meh

[acoustic furnace]

Y'know I haven't tried it since the buff so I could he wrong there

[past pivot]

You are

but still a wet napkin

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah I was ab to say fury's survivability alone makes it better than arms for 90% of content

[young swan]

its still worse than fury which basically makes it a non-pick

[acoustic furnace]

And damage is still very comparable even after arms buffs from what I've seen

[strong tusk]

I have mained ret for years and I’m tired of the FOTM rerollers after the buffs and stuff so I wanna move off it. Everywhere I go there is 200 rets

So I’m between war and DK cuz I like 2h plate

[clever belfry]

stay ret

[acoustic furnace]

^

[somber palm]

#showtooltip
/cast bloodbath
/cast rampage

why isnt this macro working? I've seen people recommend it

[acoustic furnace]

If you choose a warrior... Well good luck pugging into keys is all imma say.

[strong tusk]

I’m in a guild so I rarely pug anything

[past pivot]

Pugging any class is painful but it's doable

[strong tusk]

I just wanna slap my friends on the meters and have fun. But not ret lol

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah but as warrior it's extra bad because most folks would rather bring a good class

As of right now we're mid at best

[past pivot]

Not like DK is meta

[acoustic furnace]

None of the strength classes are meta except Prot paladin

But at least DK brings utility

[foggy urchin]

[acoustic furnace]

We bring fuck all to keys other than shockwave and rally. And those are both super meh.

[foggy urchin]

GCD + reverse order

[unreal onyx]

then you're wrong in here

[strong tusk]

Huh ?

[unreal onyx]

(depending what your friends play)

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-warcraft-for-the-alliance-warcraft-alliance-alliance-dance-gif-25197556

[quartz hare]

We need a mini rework.
To many useless talents.

[desert cloud]

Gib us aoe silence

On 30 secs

And a call of champions BL ability

And watch warriors become the most wanted class ever

[plush acorn]

and a second whirlwind ability with knockback effect

[quartz hare]

Whirlwind should be baseline.
Period.
And it’s cleave effects.

Warriors should of had lust for years.

[runic pine]

Ya’ll whining about WW talents when fury loses the least amount of single target to get AoE

Out of any class

[plush acorn]

we get aoe?

since when

[runic pine]

Bruh acting like fury isn’t goated on almost every cleave fight in the raid

And actually pretty decent in m+

[quartz hare]

Your not seeing the value we ain’t getting period

[runic pine]

Fury could use some better tuning

But the WW talents are not the problem

[vague copper]

Decent you say, tell me what we bring that no other class can do better?

[quartz hare]

Smf is a waist and will never be used.
2 talent points and and still a 10% loss of states.
Yea that needs a change

[runic pine]

Decent doesn’t mean you’re not worse than meta specs….

[vague copper]

I talk every class

Name something

[runic pine]

Every class?

[vague copper]

Yes

[runic pine]

Sure I agree

[runic pine]

We bring better single target than most classes, we bring more prio damage than most classes, we bring very low cost aoe unlike a lot of classes. Hunter for example loses a lot of single target to gain beast cleave and the associated talents.

[vague copper]

So we bring single target you mean?

[runic pine]

You want me to say we bring battle shout, and two low opportunity cost stuns?

Idk what you’re looking for

[vague copper]

That is so good and over other so you get a spot for that

[runic pine]

But too many people doom so much

[vague copper]

I’m just saying we suck in m+

[runic pine]

And it really just comes down to “fury isn’t top damage so it isn’t worth playing”

[vague copper]

We bring nothing not even dog

[runic pine]

That’s not true at all

[vague copper]

If it only was for dmg

[runic pine]

Literally you’re saying “eh we’re like top 7 specs so it’s not even worth playing”

[vague copper]

But you miss the point

We don’t bring anything ells then dmg

And mid of the pack ain’t good enough

[runic pine]

No one cares about utility it’s just a nice to have, you can fix a lot of lost utility in healer and tank picks

[vague copper]

lol

[plush acorn]

?

what

[vague copper]

I’m done have a nice evening 😀

[runic pine]

The top specs in m+ aren’t the top specs because they bring utility

[plush acorn]

you are saying

havoc dh is not

top

because of

its

utility

?

[modest condor]

you know

you

can

press

space

insteead

of

enter

[plush acorn]

i dont care

[vague copper]

🤪

[plush acorn]

u weeb

?

[modest condor]

and yes, havoc is not meta because of its utility

it's because of its damage

[runic pine]

It’s a combination of things they weren’t meta when they were dogshit damage even though they had similar utility……

No one gives a fuck about utility if you don’t have damage lol

All of a sudden when you have damage your utility becomes some crazy thing people put on a pedestal

[modest condor]

there have been like 2 times in the history of m+ where a spec was picked because of their utility even tho they were demonstrably lower in dps

and that's rogue in bfa s4 and aug this season

[hard widget]

Why

are

people

placing

so many spread

messages

[runic pine]

I’m just surprised this is some new revelation

[modest condor]

hey man

some people still bring up scaling

the wow community is usually a couple of years behind

[runic pine]

The idea that “warrior doesn’t bring anything” is just people coping because they’re annoyed we aren’t meta and they think if only we brought some weird special thing we’d be meta. It’s literally just down to tuning.

Fury is one of the tankiest specs in the game and has good damage as well as easy access to stops. It’s quite literally just a matter of tuning right now.

[gilded pawn]

i still bring up scaling

archi said warrior doesnt scale with main stat anymore

[modest condor]

that's not what he said

[runic pine]

He said we are one of the lowest returns on main stat rn not that we don’t scale at all with it

[gilded pawn]

ye

but i misquote people for fun

[hallow moth]

Which is dumb af

Warrior should have big bulgey str muscles

I miss WoD warrior

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[quartz hare]

We should all go the the most likely place blizzard will see and make a big post how we need scaling adjustments and Talent’s replace instead of just talking.
Saying stuff hear is a waist of time honestly.

[errant vessel]

I mean it’s the main reason warriors aren’t picked for Incorp/Afflicted weeks. Even if we were S-tier in dmg I think pugs would prefer a B-tier spec with utility for those weeks

[young swan]

if u ask me we just need a real rework

not even mini

[dapper goblet]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

[young swan]

its not even top anymore

it got pushed out cause it cant live

[runic pine]

You act like there are 2 tank specs, like all healers, and about 10 other dps specs at least that can deal with it

[barren dagger]

S tier damage in what world lmao

[clever path]

they dont get it

[runic pine]

Very clearly

[errant vessel]

You still find people refusing to bring a person with 3.2k rio into a 20 over a person with 2.8k based on if they have lust or not. (Even though drums is a negligible diff at that key level)

[clever path]

noxiv timed a 31 ad without lust

guardian mw 2x outlaw fuyr

gigachad comp

[barren dagger]

what's the arms highest key timed

[clever path]

29?

[errant vessel]

And having an extra person taking care of Afflicted/Incorp is way bigger than having Lust in pugs

[runic pine]

NOOOOO YOU CANT BRINF FURY TO THE TOP KEYS THEYRE NOT GOOD

[clever path]

surely fury isnt the tankiest spec in the game in 90% of situations

(those 10% being 10 mil oneshots that only ret lives with bubble)

(and rogue with cloak)

[barren dagger]

i mean that's a real outlier tbh. it's like saying warriors are fine because some of them are timing 31

[clever path]

idk this is the first time warriors are timing the highest keys in a while

sure there arent many of them

but still

[tulip swallow]

we were doing pretty well until the augening

[sour frigate]

[clever path]

we were meta

unironically

[tulip swallow]

good times

[clever path]

a shit ton of dmg tanky

and on top of htat

spell reflect was a cheat code

last season

so many spell reflects

[sour frigate]

s1 all war specs were ok iirc?

[clever path]

prot was meta in the beginning cause it lived unlike the other tanks

then other tanks got gear

and prot stopped living

[tulip swallow]

give prot mass grip, vengeance doesn't deserve it

[clever path]

prot needs utility

[hallow moth]

I hope warrior dev gets laid off

[clever path]

mass spell reflect would be a good start

safeguard

etc

[young swan]

i just want warrior devs creative juices to start flowing again

[tulip swallow]

I want to see cool new stuff, yeah

they've been remixing the same dozen spells for over a decade at this point

[young swan]

im fine with pulling ideas from other classes but at least make it interesting

[clever path]

prot is just

[young swan]

getting demon blades reskinned for the millionth time isnt interesting

[clever path]

insanely selfish

for a tank

it needs more

dps warriors are fine utility wise

rally is just underwhelming in m+

[young swan]

disagree

we're functional

thats about it

[clever path]

which is fine

our damage is lacking

hard

[young swan]

but we shouldnt ever have to talent into zerker rage or piercing shout

[clever path]

def not

piercing howl is one of the strongest slows

u can talent into it without losing much

[young swan]

and its just unpickable

cause its locked behind 2 talent points

[clever path]

too much*

[sour frigate]

[clever path]

u drop 5% move speed and frothing berskerer idk how big frothing is on st

[young swan]

just make sb baseline and move shockwave to where sb is

fine

[clever path]

nvm u need to drop something else

[sour frigate]

s

smf baseline

[clever path]

why the fuck

[young swan]

unironically yes

[clever path]

would u ever want to play smf

[young swan]

there is no reason it should be a talent

[young swan]

its not about playing it

[clever path]

let us transmog 2hs to 1hs

[young swan]

its about it taking up space

[sour frigate]

why we ever have it yet

[clever path]

remove the talent

[young swan]

correct

make it a spellbook passive

[clever path]

just let us transmog 2hs into 1hs and its solved

fdk can do it

why cant fury

[young swan]

who cares

just make it a passive

let the plebs who like it have it

who cares

[sour frigate]

fdk cant tmog 2h into 1h

[young swan]

just no reason for it to be in the tree

[sour frigate]

i dunno it was base in sl

[sour frigate]

why it became the real talent here

[clever path]

titans grip is passive smf isnt

[sour frigate]

:KEKS

[dapper goblet]

smf is in because of old raid farming

not a meme

move speed

remember people crying about it when the legos got removed

[clever path]

make it passive then

[dapper goblet]

so they made it for smf

[clever path]

why do i have 2 dead talents

[young swan]

tbf we have more than 2

DoI and storm of steel say hello

[clever path]

why did they add doi from sl

when its useless

[young swan]

who knows

4s extra reck

(its a UF proc)

[clever path]

wow 4s extra reck!!!!!!!!!

def wasnt worse than armor fragment

and hns

[young swan]

also not a fan of our talent tree just being entirely SL conduits

worst iteration of fury

ever

[clever path]

i mean

[tulip swallow]

they should have reworked doi ages ago

[young swan]

and they just

put everything in

[clever path]

they took all of our personal utility

and put it into talents we cant access

we had

piercing zerk rage intervene all baseline

now its hard to talent into them

[young swan]

oh yeah

no idea why intervene isnt baseline

wild

make safeguard a talent

not intervene

makes no sense

[clever path]

zerk rage should be baseline and then u can choose between zerk shout and piercing

i mean

[sour frigate]

going to be unkillable melee pack

[clever path]

the tree is filled with boring throughput talents

crushing force barbaric training safeguard

etc

honed reflexes

seismic

[young swan]

the issue with the warrior talent tree is that none of the utility thats actually pretty decent outweighs the throughput talents that are "mandatory"

[clever path]

if u can call those two throughput talents

[young swan]

seismic is not a throughput talent it is just pay 1 talent point for nothing

basically the same as smf

[clever path]

0.1%!!!

[young swan]

just a tax node

[clever path]

its not bad on prot iirc

actually iti s

rn

[dapper goblet]

feel like when it comes to the talent rework thing fury def took a big stinky L

[young swan]

yeah its just dogshit on fury

[young swan]

yeah

[clever path]

cause u spam tc and ss atm right

[young swan]

same with arms

arms got fucked hard

[clever path]

fury needs more spenders imo

its too one dimensional

[young swan]

been saying it

[clever path]

why isnt

[runic pine]

Eh

[clever path]

execute a spender

across all 3 specs?

[young swan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clever path]

and make it hit turbo hard

on all 3 specs

[runic pine]

I think only having ramp is fine

[young swan]

i dont

[tulip swallow]

execute spender with chance to make rampage free

[clever path]

its boring

[young swan]

literally everything feeds into our 1 button

[clever path]

execute crit strikes

[young swan]

and our 1 button feels like shit

[runic pine]

What are you gonna add?

[clever path]

warriors should stack crit not vers

[young swan]

execute

[clever path]

execute

class identity

button

[runic pine]

Execute as a spender doesn’t make sense

[young swan]

yes it does

[runic pine]

When are you going to press it

[young swan]

in execute

[runic pine]

Over staying enraged

[dapper goblet]

xd

[young swan]

consider pressing bt

for enrage

?

?

[tulip swallow]

it was a spender in legion and people pressed it

[runic pine]

Yeah because it was giga better in legion

[tulip swallow]

this was also when reck didn't give you rampage every other global though

[dapper goblet]

execute being a generator is top 5 anime betrayals

[young swan]

yes that is the argument being made

[runic pine]

And your enrage path was different

[young swan]

make execute actually do sick things

and make it a spender

[clever path]

i mean

[runic pine]

Like legion fury was different

[young swan]

and then we actually have a use for BT again as well

[clever path]

fresh meat should be s2 4p

current fm should be baseline

the fact that we have to talent into an enrage

guaranteed enrage*

is crazy to me

[young swan]

it definitely shouldnt be baseline

but u could argue for baking it into improved bt

[runic pine]

Fury would need a complete overhaul

[young swan]

correct!

it does!

[clever path]

yeah that

fm should be

[young swan]

we literally have not changed

at all

[clever path]

first bt is a guaranteed crit

[young swan]

since legion -> bfa

[runic pine]

But if you were to just take current fury and add another spender it doesn’t make sense

[young swan]

high time for a complete overhaul

[tulip swallow]

bfa was such a mistake, the only good thing it added was cshb

[runic pine]

If you had a complete new version of fury probably sure

[clever belfry]

overhaul dn

[clever path]

fury is insanely onedimensional

[dapper goblet]

bean sayin BFA was a dogshit time for warrior

[young swan]

u really dont need to change much about current fury to make execute as a spender work

[tulip swallow]

every build should press bloodthirst and raging blow, choosing between one or the other is dumb

[young swan]

theres a lot you could change

[dapper goblet]

me and marok back to back army of 2 fighting off the goobers saying the arms changes were good

now look at it

[runic pine]

Every builder spender is

[clever path]

outlaw isnt

not a single rogue is onedimensional

[clever belfry]

bro who the fuck said that

[clever path]

all 3 are builder spenders

[dapper goblet]

i wont be naming names

[clever belfry]

ah.

[dry talon]

sophic x2 works?

[young swan]

yes

[dapper goblet]

some of the names are those you'd never expect..