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wild mural
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ret

balmy shore
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fury warrior

wild mural
sullen dove
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who tf r u in there

wild mural
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im the ret

sullen dove
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this entire group was ass

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or you just did like a +6

wild mural
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im 455

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with 2 set

sullen dove
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+6 it was

wild mural
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it was a 16 and the tank pulled like my grandma

sullen dove
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the tran

warm crag
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i would not take advice from an instagram page of a pvp fury warrior

sullen dove
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real

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but yea bro needs to get off arcane

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he is NOT that guy

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play frost

wild mural
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Real

sullen dove
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3 buttons

oblique trail
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Look forward to it

wild mural
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470*

warm crag
wild mural
wild mural
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Tell me where do I find his teachings

sullen tendon
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how i do damage on council

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it annoying

lucid owl
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anyone on tindral? curious if you are in the first feather set like me. and how your using cds

modest condor
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ask them to be on the 2nd feather set

lucid owl
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luuul

modest condor
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i mean

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literally every fury warrior is on the 2nd set

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idk why your raid would have to be special

sinful spoke
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2nd set

oblique trail
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I'm on first feathers, and after like 4 raid nights I'll just stick to it so neither I nor someone else would have to adapt and change at this point

sinful spoke
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is better

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otherwise theyre griefing u

modest condor
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damn there are 2 fury warriors in the world on first set and they're both here

lean nacelle
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I'm first set in my raid as well

oblique trail
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I try to be wf in one way or another

oblique trail
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Hibernate instantly

warm crag
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i am unconcious

oblique trail
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You will wake up the picosecond that the vault opens up on wednesday

warm crag
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my m+ track isnt full yet that is fucked up of you

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what will my family think

oblique trail
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That you're a very eepy boy needing to catch up on sleep

warm crag
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you are stunning me for 5 full days wtf

hardy cargo
warm crag
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gnarlroot hc logs are somehow turbofucked

hardy cargo
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is it just like super condensed or somehting and processed wrong by wcl

warm crag
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idk its always gnarlroot hc its been around since the start of the patch

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maybe smth abt pulling adds into the fight

oblique trail
lucid owl
oblique trail
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Nvm I see it now

warm crag
oblique trail
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You do not have Obliterate talented

warm crag
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I will unleash the rage of Fyr'alath

balmy shore
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roots

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not seeds

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brain rot

warm crag
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rip on seeds i think

balmy shore
modest condor
lucid owl
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yeah im using 2nd odyns like 1 second into a root set which is fine

balmy shore
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a lot of top logs also aren't going up at all iirc

compact knot
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zyn son or cart daughter

oblique trail
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I still have it ready to break out of 3rd roots

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But what I meant was looking at Avatar/Roar timings later

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And I see now how disgusting P3 timings are for Avatar if you fly 1st

warm crag
lucid owl
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for the 3rd root aka 50 seconds in we wanna pot/reckless/odyn/TR/BB/ramp/ava?

modest condor
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50 seconds in is the 2nd set

warm crag
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your OF shouldnt be up at 0:50

modest condor
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you can pot the first set and still have it up for second

cerulean laurel
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Hey there, just wanna ask something. I've simmed both arms and fury for patchwork (adjusted all my crafted gear to suit the best for each spec). However I'm getting more from Arms rather than Fury. and here I was told Fury is supposedly better for ST(patchwork).

Fury: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cUV5ZnqRhD3UAKev6UmAd
Arms: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xbYZiSy8MWhopuLaCNzebR

Perhaps anyone can tell me if Im doing something wrong with my sim or not. Thanks.

sullen dove
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arms just got buffed

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arms has been better for st pmuch the whole week

warm crag
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ye arms is just better for pure ST now

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you should realistically still play fury for most of the raid on prog rn

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esp the final 3

sullen dove
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last 2 bosses particularly tindral have a ton of aoe fury is just better at

modest condor
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better damage profile and tankier

sullen dove
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and fury lives better

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but arms pretty good on fyrakk if u rly want to

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this all also revolving around mythic doesnt matter what u play anywhere else

balmy shore
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u can live through some stupid stuff on fury

sullen dove
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i ate a green mushroom last night on accident

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and was like

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half hp

modest condor
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i barely even bother dodging blue swirlies

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or flame waves on smolderon

sullen dove
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waves knock those are annoying so dodge what i can

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esp when u need to bait

modest condor
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im always top damage taken by them but i've only died once and that was because i was out of range of healers

warm crag
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If you live to enrage all of them die

sullen dove
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but yea i def just like, stand in the middle a single blue swirl on tindral if its like ambiguous whether or not ill stand in multiple or there isnt a clear spot to dodge a beam

balmy shore
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lolol

modest condor
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jackie dying on fyrakk so she can post in skyhold i see what you're doing

balmy shore
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dude

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whoever was the left soak

warm crag
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And with the amount of gear you have from vaults id be shocked if smolderon goes to enrage, you see 4th feathers on tindral or have to play the final seeds on fyrakk

balmy shore
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moved the last second

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NOT MY FAULT

warm crag
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You burn better than you fight

sullen dove
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like half of my guild posting in attendance that they're sick and not feeling well and would like to sit if they can

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wtf goin on

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i been sick too this past week tbh but still gamed

lucid owl
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@modest condor does there have to be a rogue in each flyset? for a blind? wtf is that about

warm crag
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Only blind tech i know is that you can mass aoe blind the 0:50 treants with blackjack for a small raid dr

lucid owl
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yea thats it

warm crag
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That has nothing to do with flying tho

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Its maybe justifiable to press it again in p2 during one of the seed Stars overlap but idk

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Root into seeds into stars*

balmy shore
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FYRAKK INTERMISSION WHAT IS THAT

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LOL

warm crag
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Time to prog weakauras

balmy shore
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so excited for that :)

dapper goblet
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dont be gaslit by WA makerupers

balmy shore
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what is a makeruper

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maker upper

upper hatch
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Having just completed the campaign, where tf is Runetotem at

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I don't see him anywhere

balmy shore
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is that a fury warrior

cerulean laurel
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So as fury what would the stat prority actually be like?

dapper goblet
balmy shore
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im a serial spam macro pusher

dapper goblet
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i spam it

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doesnt fuck it up

warm crag
dapper goblet
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people just like to lie and say it does

balmy shore
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oh ok im spamming

warm crag
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Ye spamming doesnt fuck it up ever

balmy shore
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rather double press than accidentally not press

warm crag
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Only reasons itll fail is no presses or WA version diff

balmy shore
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i need a more fun message i think tho

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ya makes sense

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we also just did* squeaky bat roll call

dapper goblet
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people like to cry about the intermission because of the WA but its literally just user error..

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think we had issues one time but it was because someones name was wrong in the note

balmy shore
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i thought it was going to be more intense than look at icon

dapper goblet
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yeah...

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gaslighters..

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voodoo upon them

balmy shore
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i was like ??? so it's red... and i pressed it

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voodoo

dapper goblet
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🔴 🗜️

young swan
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@dapper goblet post the gif

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voodoo

warm crag
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Ye idk if u complain abt smth that effectively boils Down to user error maybe you should stop selfreporting

dapper goblet
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i'm going to post a gif

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and get a 7 day ban

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so

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i'll pass

young swan
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i see..

warm crag
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@young swan Trinket check

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Did you accidentally vendor the augury yet

young swan
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stop checking my trinkets

warm crag
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I will check your trinkets until you retract your statements about how terrible the legendary is and that youd rather have trinkets

sudden tusk
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what gif

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like the peanut butter

plush flower
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MYTHIC FYRAK DIE AND LEGGO ACQUIRED

dapper goblet
compact knot
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get the lego and vendor it

balmy shore
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let's gooooooooo

dense elbow
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Not gonna ping, in case you sleep. But just in case: Foooooking good job, mate. And gz on the 🪓!

fleet cargo
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@eternal sundial like my stats ?

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its somehow close to 40 40 30 30

sullen dove
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smell an arms rat in here

fleet cargo
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only versa lower 😄

dense elbow
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The low versa bothers me more than it should critcake

fleet cargo
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it will be like 18 ish next week

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i will up my wrist

south kayak
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Surely the BLP doesn’t work

fleet cargo
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what blp means

edgy widget
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bad luck protection

south kayak
edgy widget
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I have all the BLP

south kayak
blissful kestrel
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Full clear every week and still no lego

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Game is bad

sullen dove
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correct

olive wraith
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I can cope with next week surely

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I’m still salty about ret

fleet cargo
bleak kernel
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Anyone know how to find a crew that can do Amirdrassil M+?

olive wraith
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Mythic raid?

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Has to be server specific group atm

balmy shore
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ember gang

upbeat sentinel
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Until hall of fame fills up and then I can BUY BOOSTS

young swan
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cant wait for jackie to join axe haver club and immediately switch up 😒

sullen dove
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nah

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ember gang fo life

upbeat sentinel
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Those steep dropoffs

sudden tusk
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kinda suprised they didnt do something like nerf blaze damage when they took tendril out back

upbeat sentinel
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They’ll probably nerf the fuck out of fyrak after hall of fame fills up

frail trout
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considering the scope of the tindral nerf, not that many actually killed him after the nerf

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I don't think it changed the pull count for your prog if you hadn't done any pulls on that boss yet

upbeat sentinel
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And hall of fame is at 175, with 10 guilds killing Fyrak for the first time yesterday

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It’ll fill soon

frail trout
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well, it did change it

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but not for learning the early stuff

upbeat sentinel
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Guess fyrak is easier when all your plateys have lege

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And BiS

fluid cedar
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i just heard someone say your vault rewards are based off the dungeons you do. like if your 20 is throne you will get loot from throne. is this, as they say, "cap"?

hardy cargo
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it is indeed cap

fluid cedar
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thats what i thought

hardy cargo
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if you do a 20 rise that vault slot will draw from every single dungeon item of the current season for your set loot spec

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not just from rise

fluid cedar
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yeah thats how i thought its always worked but this dude just gaslit me i guess

hardy cargo
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its a similar story with raid bosses but if youve killed the boss (but only for your very first kill)

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so if u zone in to get your 2 first kills kill gnarl and igira youll only have loot from those first 2 bosses

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conversely, if you kill tindral and fyraak the vault slot will roll from all bosses

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it unlocks loot table of all bosses prior to the ones youve killed as well

south kayak
fluid cedar
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next week for sure

south kayak
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Honestly ret is so boring that i don't wanna try it lmao

clever path
south kayak
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Why are you coping me

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I've tried it before and I just couldn't get into the rotation and how boring it was

fluid cedar
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fury for life

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zig zig

floral oak
south kayak
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Could be, but it just feels off

floral oak
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has to be its same keybinds but 70% haste

south kayak
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maybe i try again

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the fact that there's leggo makes it worse too

clever path
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You really need to feed haste to ret to feel not like a turtle

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Divine storm spam after

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I got pants with embelish for haste on every pack, it goes all the way up to 40%

south kayak
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haste, vers right?

clever path
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Yessir

south kayak
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no crit/

left perch
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pink enjoyers get out

south kayak
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?

left perch
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at least be talking about yellow or purple geez

south kayak
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I am a yellow min

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that's enough for now

proud crown
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plate gang only

clever path
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Crit is also important , but not as haste vers - you should be looking at those 3 yeah. My crit is 33, master 40, verse 21 and haste 33 without buffs

south kayak
clever path
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Everybody hates purple

proud crown
clever path
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Pink warriors and brown warriors

proud crown
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cant be unseen

clever path
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Unite

left perch
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Ew no

left perch
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catch me with maroon before that for sure

clever path
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Maroon ?

south kayak
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(vhs)

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sorry too far

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why does ret want haste yet takes ashes of embersoul

south kayak
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weirdge

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can ret remove ashes debuff with divine shield?

proud crown
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whats wrong with ashes

floral oak
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because ret is cd window class and the ashes debuff expires before the next window

south kayak
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I see

left perch
coarse nest
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Anybody know the size of Tindrals abosrb during intermission off hand?

sullen dove
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like 100mil

left perch
cold cape
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Do we run uproar in M+?

proud crown
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if no shockwave i suppose

cold cape
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How do we use avatar then? Just on CD and as a mini OF?

clever path
cold cape
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How come? Is it that much better with Avatar?

clever path
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unless u know pulls and their timers its not worth it

cold cape
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Why not?

clever path
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cause u desync it until it naturally aligns again

cold cape
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Oh I see

amber arch
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Does signet suck for keys?

covert blaze
amber arch
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Like even if you can chain pull, does it do any AOE?

covert blaze
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it's good if you maintain it

amber arch
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Because the buff stacks on your target right? I’m not clear on how it works

covert blaze
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I would never bother personally

amber arch
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If you change targets or it dies, don’t stacks reset?

covert blaze
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it stacks on you as a buff

amber arch
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Ahh

mystic fractal
covert blaze
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when it procs you put a dot on the target and you gain a stack

amber arch
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So one is at 15 stacks it just constantly radiates 110k/6s forever on your target and 10% aoe?

covert blaze
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basically

amber arch
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Does that 100k get cleaved?

covert blaze
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not forever tho, it's based on the damage it deals

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afaik

mystic fractal
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Honestly if you can get MotO and Augury, just run that for dungeons (says the guy who can't get an augury)

amber arch
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Like if you enter a pack at full stacks and cleave + OF it has a chance to inflict that on everything around you?

covert blaze
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yeah i would say just run might + augury/any good passive one

amber arch
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Ya I’ve been farming tides no luck

covert blaze
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the tooltip is very clear on what it does

mystic fractal
amber arch
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Pugging 16s suck

mystic fractal
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And the problem is that sims show it higher than it should be because they're acting like we're permanently at 15 stacks, which just isn't feasible in most runs

amber arch
# covert blaze the tooltip is very clear on what it does

Not really. It says it radiates 10% but also “your abilities have a chance to apply the dot” odyns fury is an ability that hits multiple targets so it could put the dot on everything and radiayec10% as well. That’s why I’m asking

mystic fractal
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I'm pretty sure it has an ICD and won't apply to multiple targets

covert blaze
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idk

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you don't play around it anyway so i never looked into it

amber arch
mystic fractal
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Like, if an aoe can apply the dot to multiple targets, I've never seen it, and I've had my brand since first week.

amber arch
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So I’m playing rezan and clam in keys

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Oh and I’ve got the haste one

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Everything except MotO

covert blaze
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maybe mirror but mirror is cringe

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i am very biased

mystic fractal
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rezan + mirror or rezan + crab until you get moto.

amber arch
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Yup I’m doing second one for keys and mirror + signet for raid

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Ty guys

floral oak
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one lesser from heroic but my ret got 6 reroll time wicked

dapper goblet
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voodoo

clever path
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its not a good aoe trinket

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u run it for high tyrans where u can have 15 stacks on bosses

jade cipher
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guys

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do we still slam as filler without crushing force?

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or only whirlwind and bloodthirst

eternal sundial
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Still use it

olive wraith
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You’d run out of buttons if you didn’t press

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Something>nothing

flat river
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hello

teal coral
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is it safe to say that you have a bad aug in party if you do approx same dmg as without it? keksquad

vague copper
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What if they just delete DH from the game?

shy knot
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The game would become good

glad plover
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DH is fine, problem is the fact that blizzard seems to throw all their philosophy outside the window when it comes to DH

hushed berry
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Which set won for s4?

quaint stag
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Season 2 set won

meager gyro
teal coral
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is that a group or individual buff?

lucid owl
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what trinkets are bis for m+?

clever path
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or might ember

lucid owl
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i have 489 might. but no augry so ive been running signet cause i also dont have ember

clever path
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signet is good when your teamates play along and you have non stop pulling

shy knot
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DH is a class that has it all

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Always

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Except mog, those suck

willow veldt
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Rogue* is a class that has it all

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Always

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Except mog, those suck

proud crown
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we love spell reflect

flat sapphire
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How lucky did yku get

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I never get that ability on me

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On last boss

proud crown
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got 2

teal coral
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you need to git gud

proud crown
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in 1 pull

flat sapphire
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I never get any

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So sad seeing everyone else get it

glad plover
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This is first week of the season where I feel I cant compete in damage meters with almost any class that is played in M+

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Our out of CD damage is borderline pathetic, I do more damage on some pulls on my 468 monk then on my 486 main warrior.

native wadi
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but your monk hasnt got a brown template

clever path
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i mean come on, not like warrior is in a bad place right now okay, tis just not true

frigid cipher
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that u reflect

proud crown
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transfusion

frigid cipher
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isnt that on everyone?

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cuz usually when i reflect it

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it either does very little damage

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or it reflects the damage

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and i don't receive any

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but i never get these kinda numbers

proud crown
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nah the trash mob is 1 tar

glad plover
pulsar turtle
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Warrior is pis at this time and if youre a warrior without a lego its even more ass.

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If i cant get lego before push weeks fuck this game

glad plover
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I did not get leggo or auguary

pulsar turtle
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I actually dont know wtf to do if i go another week without lego and still have not even got another 489 offhand

frigid cipher
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play arms, u dont need offhand >:)

pulsar turtle
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Arms is not optimal for M+

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Too squishy for high keys

glad plover
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Warrior is not optimal for M+ period.

pulsar turtle
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Warrior can be fine in most keys if you actually have lego

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its like a 20-30k dps upgrade

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minimum to what im seeing

glad plover
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Yeah and if stars align

frigid cipher
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i guess if you are actually pushing high keys fury would be a bit better

glad plover
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sry for sarcasm I am just pissed just played 27 BRH and got blasted by DH in damage that died 8 times

plush flower
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Fury buffs when?!

glad plover
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never, they are clearly waiting for people to stop playing it

clever path
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most people here do raid

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not m+

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as far as raid goes, warrior performs well

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"anything else is just a minigame"

glad plover
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I mean there are some people that push very high keys in here

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but yeah, warrior does ok in raid, so clearly no changes needed.

somber token
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I feel you. Played a BRH with a ret earlier today. 5 item levels lower, no leggo. He matched me in overall damage - all aoe pad.

I did win on boss fights though

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Feels so fucking bad. Im on the verge of just canceling my subscription.
M+ is why I play wow

vague copper
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Thing is, all those highkey warriors are good players.. And if those would hit another class guess what :)..

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They would be even higher

clever path
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branch of tormented something (that from raid) would annhiilate you on st too

vague copper
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Overall tot with a big ilvl warrior with leggo.. me on my 47x monk

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Then I have ring for sang and can sort affix

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So what does the war bring rly? 🙂

frigid cipher
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i did this with my monk friend, same ilvl both (only 22 tho)

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but he died on first bl pull

vague copper
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Dmgloggs wont say it all I know but still

glad plover
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Good monk player, is going to CRUSH warrior

frigid cipher
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so otherwise we doulve been about even

glad plover
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I played with one guy that had 340k on end of the Fall 26 last week

frigid cipher
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damn

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highest ive peeked on warr was 285k without aug

glad plover
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I think I was around 300k max

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it was ToT or something and I basically reflected everything I could

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Spell reflect was my 2nd damage ability at the end, and that should tell you enough about state of all of our other abilties.

vague copper
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But sure thing we have ppl like Critcake, Bizentein and other topwarriors that push high numbers and keys.. But again what would they do with a for exemple DH :)..

quick schooner
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hello guys . Btw what ditch more dmg arms or fury after update ?

vague copper
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<

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I would still say Fury, add survival to that and fury for sure.

quick schooner
shy knot
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War brings nothing

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Sadly ret is better in every way rn

glad plover
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NOOO do not say that

shy knot
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Its true

glad plover
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we are better in idk. transmog or something

shy knot
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Compared to how warrior was a dmg GOD with 0 uti

glad plover
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we are 10000% going to be better next expansion tho

shy knot
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We suck

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I used to carry every single dungeon on dmg in BfA

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Cant do that at all in DF

quick schooner
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morthrang are you talking paladin is now better than warrior after the buff

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or it was better before the buf f

shy knot
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And utility is the same, bad

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Before and after imo

quick schooner
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huh ? why did they buff paladin and not fury if paladin was stronger than fury XD

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i dont understand XD

glad plover
quick schooner
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i dont play the game much just do 3-5 dungeon a week for fun that why my knowladge is 0 at the time

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came to ask if i should play fury or arms but poeple said fury is still better for dungeons

glad plover
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then you should not be concerned about all of that, play what you find interesting

barren dagger
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tbh the arms vs fury seems to be only relevant if you are pushing super high keys

quick schooner
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there both warrior and i both like there style equialy and since i can change in a press of a button it better just to play the one that performe better

clever path
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your crying is pathethic

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accept defeat

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or carry on fighting

quick schooner
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sorry to say this and i dont know if it only me but latly i feel that the warrior rotation is little brain dead and the cieling is very low . and i am doing little to nothing in manging the rotation . is other class like this

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or is this exclusive to warrior ?

clever path
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Most melee are like that

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Except the fact that other melee dish out better numbers in most situations, and if not that - then they provide more utility.

quick schooner
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i always find the game more enjoyable the challanging it is . i wish they make the roation harder . i mean i think they make it easier so you can focuse on boss and mechanic but now days addon dose everything for you

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i enter with 0 knowladge on the dungeon and addon tell me what to inturapt when to inturapt when to move and what to attack

clever path
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Then play rogue if you want engaging challenging rotation

quick schooner
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which spec

clever path
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Outlaw or assa, outlaw has more APM

glad plover
# quick schooner which spec

If you want to play warrior, I think Fury is better in casual content because it looks cooler, and its more fun in stuff like solo content and BG because it has more survivability.

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And if you want to play more interesting rotations, Enchantment Shaman and Windwalker monks are quite intersting to play and also classes with very high skill celling

clever path
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Yeah enh is galaxy brain to play

glad plover
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Enh is intersting in ST quite hard in AOE because you have to change targets non stop to keep debuff up

fading sky
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If u play 20 keys pfc its easy

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"Hard" parts come when u gotta prio dmg stuns interrupts suvival buttons and such

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Which is why main rotation is easy to do hard to master

upbeat sentinel
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Hall of fame at 176

clever path
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or you can play a giga chad spec

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sv hunter

clever belfry
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Kringel

sharp tartan
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Is it worth for us to cast Wrecking Throw on the Tinderal shields? My tooltip says 27k damage and even if its 400% buffed it doesnt look better than a bloodthirst?

void valley
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I think it scales to around an empowered bloodbath for free basically?

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So like

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Still kinda decent

sharp tartan
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Cool, ty

open stratus
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In the rotation, where does axe on-use actually sit?

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I can't see a toggle for it in the dps rotation guide, only for talents/tier

void valley
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above WW

open stratus
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for ST?

void valley
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Basically its like, last prio

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From what i can tell

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Better than filler, worse than most

open stratus
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Thats anticlimactic :/

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thought i was lucky

eternal sundial
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But depending on fight u move it

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Ie on smoldo u delay it for intermission

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Just be enraged for it

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Need rampage haste

oblique flower
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Do we use might of the ocean with avatar or is there a better way to use it?

open stratus
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Thanks.

wild mural
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angyuwu needs a new look, race change suggestions welcomed

eternal sundial
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Fork

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Fuman

left perch
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I have been fem tiran for awhile it’s kinda neat

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But the belts sometimes suck

clever path
wild mural
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not orc

oblique flower
warm crag
frozen tartan
frozen tartan
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If you don't see it, I can't help you.

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But you might like Vulpera then xan

wild mural
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my other warrior

frozen tartan
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Terrible day to have eyes.

wild mural
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wrong

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it's a great day to have eyes

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I feel like I'd show you any of my chars and you'd have an issue

frozen tartan
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Prove it then

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I am ready.

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(Hopefully)

clever path
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Fem panda syi

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The only way

wild mural
wild mural
frozen tartan
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Don't have any issue with this.

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Pretty cool actually

wild mural
eternal sundial
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@wild mural i go fork after frank dies i think

warm crag
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@eternal sundial i stopped wow since i reached 3k rating , nothing to do unlike some of you folks here log in the game scratshing your balls being afk to show off your mounts or leveling some useless alts .

frozen tartan
# wild mural

That's nothing like your warriors and you know it! keks

warm crag
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im not even 3k yet..

eternal sundial
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I didnt know i was

wild mural
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mb this season I get 3k

eternal sundial
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Idk i got 3k like week 3

warm crag
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ok syi has more score than me its actually over

eternal sundial
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And then on cba

wild mural
eternal sundial
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Automatic win

warm crag
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i got conscripted to one high key in like week 2

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good times..

wild mural
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i just know im bad and it's joever

eternal sundial
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Very cursed non timed key

wild mural
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im so close to 489

warm crag
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noob neck

eternal sundial
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Im 488.9 for 2 socket weeks in a row

wild mural
eternal sundial
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Noob shoulder

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Noob trinkets

warm crag
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why not 496 augury?

eternal sundial
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My 489 ones are rezan and branch which is playable bedge

wild mural
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god I wish augury existed

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might and serpent are playable

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I run that in keys

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cause no augury

warm crag
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L serpent

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look its even shaped like an L

wild mural
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Big W

eternal sundial
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Volc drops shoulders

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Aquire them

wild mural
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no more reclears

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tindral prison

eternal sundial
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LLLL (same)

warm crag
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just kill??

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boss is a silly little joke now

eternal sundial
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Tell that to lolxd guy doing 700 pulls

wild mural
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I too am a silly little joke

wanton mirage
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How many raid days is 700 pull

clever belfry
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depends how fast u wipe and repull

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If u wipe to bomba 1 on tindral and pull within 2min, u can get about 80 wipes in a 4h raid night

eternal sundial
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Pull within 2 mins huh

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Rel eat go

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Die on cd

dire badge
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🫡

eternal sundial
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Skyline Victory forever

dire badge
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true victory

warm crag
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ceo sat them down

eternal sundial
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A foolish man will fail 10 times a wise man will fail 1000 times

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Asian proverb

clever belfry
barren dagger
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Can you imagine some guilds did a harder version of that fight with 10 less ilvls

eternal sundial
dire badge
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I’m imagining what next

clever belfry
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They also played 14h days

dire badge
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I’m ignoring heat stroke training for this

barren dagger
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Yeah but the skill gap also had to be immense

eternal sundial
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Wasnt revvez 483 on the boss

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It's not exactly 10 ilvl

eternal sundial
warm crag
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482

clever belfry
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but less sockies bro

warm crag
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no sockets no helm enchant no legendaries

eternal sundial
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If revvez was playing same boss same gear as I

clever belfry
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no helm is very big

eternal sundial
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Hed do so much more damage than me id never wanna play again

clever belfry
eternal sundial
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I wanna see current rwf vs uunat

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Never ever a 700er or whatever he was

clever belfry
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Uunat was a bit fake

eternal sundial
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I mean with them not rlly caring ye

clever belfry
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Cause limit and echo had their mdi teams in sydney

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Pieces still played well ofc but competition was slanted

eternal sundial
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Zaelia not around

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Horrible fortune

clever belfry
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award for worst timed raid release has to go to uunat

eternal sundial
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Psure just race

clever belfry
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Itll never happen again

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the timing that is

eternal sundial
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Youd hope so

clever belfry
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it wont

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I dont see them producing mini tiers again

hybrid merlin
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How do I sim the leggo? just gives me a place holder stat now which is useless

clever belfry
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and if they do, they can just move mdi/tgp two weeks earlier in the ssn and put the mini tier aftrr

clever belfry
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you dont have it and want to sim it or whag

eternal sundial
hybrid merlin
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I want to see how big uppgrade it is

clever belfry
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Go gear compare

eternal sundial
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11k dps normally

hybrid merlin
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since the changes

clever belfry
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select the correct one

hybrid merlin
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kk ty

clever belfry
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If u wanna see dmg diff between pre and post change, you gotta run two diff sims with weekly and latest respectively
Weekly will soon have the updated one in, tho

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(maybe it already has)

warm crag
clever belfry
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this is not normally

eternal sundial
warm crag
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obliterate

unique frigate
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Does hc have bigger chance for legendary than normal lfr?

barren dagger
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The highest chance out of those 3

clever belfry
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It compounds the odds from nm and lfr

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As per blizz u have same chance if you do
hc
or
lfr nm hc

burnt stone
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Hello brothers
Recently, I heard a rumor in a community that the buff stacking of Cataclysmic Signet Brand trinkets can be done in advance before the battle begins. Is this true?

fading sky
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Havent heard bout it lmk if u find a strat

tepid shore
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Only thing that I know that you can do inside a raid/dungeon that'll start combat for you to stack Signet Brand is Worn Doll and I don't think it lasts enough to get a full stack.

keen pelican
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Hey guys do we macro our main 1.5 min cds together? Ty

warm crag
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no

keen pelican
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Any reason or just no?

clever belfry
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no

warm crag
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you wanna press OF first with reck up

keen pelican
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Ok thanks mate 👍

clever belfry
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essentially you press avatar when your Avatar proc from pressing OF has ~1s left

keen pelican
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Makes sense thanks mate 👍♥️

robust shore
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If we are running titanic rage (odyn’s fury enrages you) that first odyns fury will do non enraged damage right? If it worth getting enraged prior to sending that first odyns?

mossy fox
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titanic rage will enrage you before odyn's goes off

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so you can use it unenraged

robust shore
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Thank you! Oh shit it’s crit, love the stream dude keep slamming

lean wasp
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is the axe aoe capped or damage is split or whats going on ?

clever belfry
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but scales with number of dots consuned

lean wasp
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so is it worth it to save for bigger packs when cds are down or is it minor and just full send on cd

tardy lark
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90% of the time, more total uses is better than fewer good uses

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The time you hold stuff quickly adds up

lean wasp
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so just full send if in doubt

unreal onyx
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we're sub 600 still

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1.2% wipe yesterday

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SURELY dead sunday

shy knot
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I macro roar with odyns for m+

unreal onyx
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why

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they're on gcd

warm crag
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how do you macro two on gcd buttons together

lyric panther
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/roar
/cast Odyn's Fury
warm crag
warm crag
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use the dogshit rezan toy from bfa

tepid shore
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Huge tech honestly

tepid shore
unreal onyx
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almost all our wipes from all raid night yesterday way at 12%

warm crag
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man

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what am i supposed to do with 12%

unreal onyx
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I think that's 2nd set team 1 flying

warm crag
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3rd feathers then

unreal onyx
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yes

warm crag
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is that the gate set

unreal onyx
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yes

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after gate

warm crag
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get good

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wait after gate

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nothing happens tho or

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iirc root into seeds?

unreal onyx
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correct

warm crag
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how perish

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explain yourself immediately

unreal onyx
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I personally don't die

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but idk what's happening tbh

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I think people not stacking roots correctly before gate

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and get owned by beam

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so we lack people

warm crag
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is that the set that you need to dps down without feathers

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cause you should have ava for that and blast burst

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or else

unreal onyx
warm crag
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send it a bit earlier on the shield then

wild mural
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boogie down

clever belfry
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shimmy left

warm crag
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its shimmy right you knobhead

clever belfry
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ok

warm crag
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prance forward

left perch
balmy shore
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this guy doesn’t even know the dance!!

mossy fox
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sashay left

little horizon
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Hi fury friends! Quick question, when aoeing large packs are you guys changing targets to sub35% targets for extra damage? Or is it not worth chasing targets?

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Haven’t seen anything on this in the guides

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Btw hi Critcake! Grats on the mythic tindral kill! You are my warrior hero!

quick schooner
silver mantle
little horizon
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Ok thanks! I am been reviewing most of the top m+ warriors and I believe my gear and stats are where they need to be, but I just can’t find that last missing piece. I am running with guys that are pushing 26s but my damage seem like it’s on average 30-50k (overall) lower. I posted a log review in hopes of some help. As of right now the only think I can think of is maybe I am poorly placing my cds in the m+runs

past pivot
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Use a mouseover macro for bloodthirst and pummel and execute.

eternal sundial
primal bane
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almost to 240 club

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btw signet brand

little horizon
past pivot
sinful spoke
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lego isnt that expensive anymore

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only spent about 200k on the 2nd one

little horizon
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O nice! Can you send me your spare Lego?

little horizon
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🥲

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I got the rare mount for trades!

eager cipher
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Right there with you. One guy in my guild has two, another got it on his alt, meanwhile I'm still sitting here like 🙃🙃🙃

clever path
sinful spoke
clever path
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Ove started killing fyrakk on my pal

worldly shard
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Im just spamming fyrak on 5 2handed chars a week

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No luck yet

sinful spoke
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gotta do full clear for lessers

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my dk had 2 heroic fyrakk kills

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and did one heroic run this week got 5 lessers

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and leggo

vagrant dagger
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can't find a m+ group since this week started 😦

worldly shard
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I couldnt even get into a +18 last week

sinful spoke
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i wonder why

dense elbow
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Weird

vagrant dagger
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last week we couldnt do shit also

dense elbow
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I get it

vagrant dagger
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but i did get into groups

dense elbow
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I get in

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cause I dont doom

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must be dooming energy

jolly mist
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this aint even a warrior rant

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but

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afflicted and incorporeal

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are just

worldly shard
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Idgaf about io tbh

jolly mist
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notgood affixes

worldly shard
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Just gimme 489 pieces

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Shit i hope next expansion brings some changes to m+

vagrant dagger
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im so fed up with affixes personally

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i'd just leave forti/tyr

worldly shard
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Fated raids+affixes for m+

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S1-s3 just fort/tyra

unreal onyx
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you mean incorporeal and afflicted?

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good affixes

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very balanced

clever path
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especially for warrior

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just zap em with a dispel

restive peak
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Some affixes are good and add to the dungeon, but some are absolutely fuckin stupid

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Sanguine, incorp, afflicted, bolstering need to die

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I honestly can’t believe sanguine still exists

past pivot
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I think it should be random. You enter the dungeon. You might get fort, you might get tyr. Get rid of the affixes themselves

vagrant dagger
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just use your displacement 4head

past pivot
#

Exactly

clever path
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what if with this random generation, affli comes out

restive peak
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I do think we’d all be much more bored in M+ than we think without any affixes

clever path
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noone can do the affix

clever path
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bring back corruption from bfa

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the corrupted shit in m+ was sick

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skips and all

unreal onyx
#

necrotic was also lit

restive peak
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Would be cool if it became fort or tyrann and just a seasonal affix

vagrant dagger
#

turns out not warrior

clever path
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war within boys

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i promise

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Big S+ tier

unreal onyx
#

these gimmick affixes are not the issue, my biggest issue is that they can completely fuck you over or that some classes literally can't do anything against them

restive peak
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I mean no that’s not the only issue, the main issue with affixes is the massive discrepancy in difficulty

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Leading to some weeks literally being +2-3 key lvls vs others

past pivot
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Maw of Souls should always be a dungeon to make up for any shitty ones that season

clever path
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I tried a 25 today for the first time

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now i see what guys mean that 25 is different game

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Fucked up on boss, lusted, died - bricked key even if it was going smooth before

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no lust = deadge

unreal onyx
#

have a big pull in m+, have like 5 mobs die in a spot and one big boy stays alive bc bigger health pool, can't be kicked/knocked and casts a 4s cast in sanguine

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and you just stand there

olive wraith
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Looking at you wm

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Those damn witches

vagrant dagger
#

sanguinius best healer

unreal onyx
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delete sanguine

restive peak
#

Sanguine is dog water

unreal onyx
#

is volcanic still in the rotation?

restive peak
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Yeah

unreal onyx
#

I don't even know

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quaking they got rid of

#

quaking was also pretty shit

vagrant dagger
#

quaking is viines now

restive peak
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See quaking to me was a good affix when compared to sanguine/incorp etc

unreal onyx
#

entangling is way easier than quaking

restive peak
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It encouraged awareness and decision making

eternal sundial
#

Ye quake is dead

restive peak
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But it was fairly minor

unreal onyx
#

but overall still pretty bad

restive peak
#

I don’t agree with anything that allows you to patchwerk M+

vagrant dagger
#

some great overlaps with quaking

unreal onyx
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storming is a good balance imo

restive peak
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That’s just removing skill requirements into who does the most ST uninterrupted damage without considering positioning etc

unreal onyx
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not too hard, and you still have to somewhat look out for it

restive peak
#

Yeah storming is a good affix

clever path
#

EXPLOSIVE

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DO NOT FORGET EXPLOSIVE

vagrant dagger
#

why not make dungeon themselves engaging

eternal sundial
restive peak
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It can fuck you, but if you’re aware and make good decisions you’re golden

eternal sundial
#

Storming is annoying as fuck

restive peak
#

The dungeons are engaging, they’re not engaging by run 100 and never will be

unreal onyx
eternal sundial
#

It's rewards is not being assfucked

restive peak
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Affixes are supposed to be annoying and change playstyle slightly, that’s the purpose

worldly shard
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Especially with 1yard range

vagrant dagger
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why not make affixes reward you for doing something

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instead of fuck you differently each week

restive peak
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Storming is a hard affix if you’re bad and a non affix if you’re on it

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Because the purpose of the affix is to change the dungeon difficulty and not make it so stati

worldly shard
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Make an affix where storm bolt does 5million damage

restive peak
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I’m telling you if we go the fort/tyrann only route mythic plus will die

unreal onyx
#

a weekly affix rotation that changes per dungeon could be cool

vagrant dagger
#

and how is making a rewarding affix not changing the dungeon

unreal onyx
#

makes weeks not completely useless for pushers

restive peak
#

It will become so incredibly boring and straight forward that it doesn’t keep attention

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You want multiple, rotating rewarding affixes?

vagrant dagger
#

i want something else than what we have no

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want to see how is it without them

worldly shard
#

Random

restive peak
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Why? So you can see a +30 instead of a +27? Thats just an ego issue, and the upper people will still stay 4-5 ahead of you

worldly shard
#

Only tyran/fort rotation a week

unreal onyx
restive peak
#

The problem is the discrepancy in difficulty

worldly shard
#

With random affix upgrade

vagrant dagger
#

i dont want to be declined a group just because my main class cant do anything to help with affixes

worldly shard
#

So every time u swap ur key u get a random affix

olive wraith
#

Well that’s not the only reason

worldly shard
#

But tyran/fort rotation

restive peak
#

There HAS to be something besides just tyrann and fort or you will quit after week 5-6 and come back for the final 2 weeks every season, M+ would die

unreal onyx
restive peak
#

That would be cool

#

I agree w the random affix per key

olive wraith
#

Fort, bolstering, bursting

unreal onyx
#

fort, necrotic, grievous

olive wraith
#

Tyr, afflicted, incorp

past pivot
#

Blizz should make it so if it's a "meta" comp, the dungeon adds an extra affix. Incentivize different groups

worldly shard
#

Would avoid not getting queues into "afflicted"

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Or or whatever

vagrant dagger
#

maybe being able to ban some affixes from the pool also

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:^)

clever path
#

Can fortified bolstering happen btw?

vagrant dagger
clever path
#

whoa

worldly shard
#

I guess blizz will make it happen anyways

clever path
#

that sounds insane

restive peak
worldly shard
#

I doubt this linear weekly affix shit will continue

restive peak
#

It encourages you to skip weeks

#

It needs to change 110%

eternal sundial
upbeat sentinel
#

People filling out their vaults will do every week

restive peak
#

But you could fill out your vault at +20 even with every affix

#

I know people really hate hearing this, but the game needs to be balanced around the potential that can be done when played correctly, not poor play

dense elbow
#

I dont know, trying to balance everything around an infinite scaling system sounds kinda bonk to do

restive peak
#

Encouraging people to skip weeks of trying to do harder content is bad, and it’s bad across the board, even if you’re semi casual but want to do a +25, it sucks when 2-3 weeks in a row you cannot even attempt it

upbeat sentinel
restive peak
#

Because the reality is if my team can only do up to 26/27 one week but we do 29s on push week, what chance does a pug have at a 26 this week?

dense elbow
#

Most people do 20s, and that is it. For portal and loot. The majority does sub that.

restive peak
#

There has never ever ever been a time where any class or spec could not complete their weekly keys because of affix

#

So it doesn’t even need to be discussed because it’s a non issue

dense elbow
#

Well, then it doesnt sound like there is a problem at all

restive peak
#

The affix difficulty issue doesn’t rear its head until 27/28s

#

But encouraging players to not even attempt to improve their score or challenge themselves every few weeks is poor design, so some of the affixes just need to be removed

dense elbow
#

I get everyone want things to be catered towards their level of play, but the game should be adjusted around the majority

upbeat sentinel
#

I don’t think the niche issue of “this week I can do a 30 but next week only a 28” is a problem that exists for the vast majority of the player base so it’s also kind of not worthy of discussion

restive peak
#

What adjustments does the majority stopping at 20 need though?

restive peak
vagrant dagger
#

it can always be better

restive peak
#

You can’t have both arguments existing at the same time

#

Because they’re conflicting arguments

upbeat sentinel
#

They’ve fucked the game bad by catering all the systems to WF and Hall of Fame guilds instead of a majority of the player base already

restive peak
#

If affixes need to be changed because non push weeks are bad, then that only affects pushers anyway. If affixes need to be changed to make you 20-25 min weekly 20s easier, you need to get over it, this is an MMO

vagrant dagger
#

lol

restive peak
vagrant dagger
#

thats just entitled

restive peak
#

The meta is community created

#

Blizzard did not create the meta

vagrant dagger
#

this is an MMO is not an argument for anything

restive peak
upbeat sentinel
#

Not being able to raid mythic cross server until enough cutting edge guilds clear

restive peak
upbeat sentinel
restive peak
#

It can’t be changed now without a massive coding rework

upbeat sentinel
restive peak
#

Hence why it’s changing in their next big coding rework

vagrant dagger
upbeat sentinel
restive peak
upbeat sentinel
#

They could turn it off rn

upbeat sentinel
restive peak
vagrant dagger
#

so they can't change the number of required kills from each faction

#

to a smaller number

restive peak
#

Listen man, if you’re this upset you didn’t get loot on run 1 of an infinitely spammable dungeon you hate MMOs

vagrant dagger
#

and apply it with a weekly reset?

restive peak
#

Not WoW

vagrant dagger
#

cause of coding

upbeat sentinel
#

Or just code it so the number of kills doesn’t impact the cross-server aspect

restive peak
#

HOF closes in a week, is this even worth a concern at this point?

autumn mica
#

Hello

restive peak
#

What’s good Mad

autumn mica
#

What did i miss for the daily

upbeat sentinel
autumn mica
#

All good i'm on holiday sup !

#

Reading fury chat in discord is my daily minutes of fun

upbeat sentinel
#

Once 200 guilds clear they go change a 1 to a 0 manually to unlock it - that’s not a huge code change lmao

restive peak
#

Peeps arguing the game should be balanced around 20s and poor players because they’re upset they can’t do the higher keys/mythic bosses without realizing the gap would remain the same just with higher numbers regardless

upbeat sentinel
#

And is only related to the kills because they want it to be

autumn mica
#

And doing weeklies on my laptop while on holiday @restive peak imagine that!

restive peak
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Don’t even understand how that became a relevant conversational point based on the prior discussing. But it is indeed changing moving forward and this is the last patch of it

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So kinda a moot point

upbeat sentinel
vagrant dagger
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just getting that last word in i see 😄

restive peak
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Moreso just realizing you completely moved away from the initial conversation onto some weird, irrelevant portion of the game we weren’t even discussing

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But if you wanna feel like that, go nuts my man.

vagrant dagger
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how is that portion of the game irrelevant

upbeat sentinel
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also a system that adjusted points based on affixes would just get abused into the ground. Every affix has comps that specifically counter it, and the comps that counter high point value shit would just become meta

vagrant dagger
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stop downsizing eberything

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to match what you want

upbeat sentinel
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Except bolstering fortified, but blizz even allowing that to happen is straight up trolling

restive peak
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Our initial conversation was never even about raiding or HOF lockouts lmao

olive wraith
restive peak
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How are you this stupid? It’s a genuine question, like you cannot be serious LMAO

restive peak
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It’s such an out of touch, uneducated take; NONE OF US swap our classes week to week for title push

upbeat sentinel
upbeat sentinel
restive peak
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I run my same 5 peeps no matter the affix or anything, and we get title regardless, and so do many others

olive wraith
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Okay but if it was implemented today. How would that change the current top comp

restive peak
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You are not gatekept from title or high keys because you’re a warrior dude

upbeat sentinel
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Just teams with comps that counter high-point value affixes would thrive during weeks with those affixes

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And get the titles

restive peak
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And allowing cross mythic would not mean you have CE

upbeat sentinel
restive peak
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Certain teams do that now

olive wraith
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The current top meta team can handle all affixes

restive peak
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Some do better on certain affixes, and we work around it, we don’t swap our characters

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And there will always be a meta