fury

[flat sapphire]

But he's

Yes

Always sim

[cosmic lance]

In general you're aiming for mastery/vers gear but sim your upgrades

[glacial birch]

I would say Crit and hast would be better but Yea i will sim it thanks😊

[flat sapphire]

[fiery harbor]

wait how did the tank res

do monks have CR and im just an idiot who didnt know that?

[silent aurora]

you need something around 25% haste but after that mastery still the best but versa and crit are good

[silent aurora]

it's wrist CR of engineering

[fiery harbor]

ah nice

is it an embellishment slot

[silent aurora]

no

[fiery harbor]

double nice

[silent aurora]

but it can fail and you need to be on your target

if you got engeneering and skill up some talent you can lower the probability to fail but it's normally not that high

[fiery harbor]

yeah its like this meme, but for CR

[warm crag]

No

[hard widget]

Surely

[summer quail]

If anyone is not a dps main they will get it

[uneven plaza]

Cope Surely

[stiff barn]

Cope and don't call me Shirley

[sudden tusk]

its wild ret is get buffed like this

but warrior gets literally nothing

[merry jetty]

Arms gets a buff

And its the better spec now so its a warrior buff

[sudden tusk]

they buffed the 4p by 100% and its still mid

[fiery harbor]

got 5 lessers in a single heroic clear

and guess what dropped

at least my bad luck is lucky

[sullen basin]

i got myth might in my vault should i be pogging

for context i didnt get augury

[merry jetty]

No cause its shit for arms

[sullen basin]

i play fury

i dont play arms because arms isnt pogger

arms doesnt make me feel like im winning when i play it even if i do

i feel like im winning when i press 2 buttons as fury even when i dont

[wicked gazelle]

Wait am i going crazy i swear the big ones dont show in my bag

[fiery harbor]

they do

[wicked gazelle]

I could potentially have some

im trolling]

[eternal sundial]

Doesnt matter if u use them or not iirc

[fiery harbor]

yeah cus we aint getting the axe regardless

[eternal sundial]

We?

Just you bud

[fiery harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-glitch-matrix-gif-25245096

[sullen basin]

why do people think arms is better when it has less hp and less self healing and only the same damage doesnt that make it worse

fury warrs just exist and get like 100,000,000 hps

arms exists and dies

[oblique trail]

bad bait

[sullen basin]

its bait if i dont like what i read or cant make sense of it

[oblique trail]

It's bait because you evidently think that Arms just dies

When you only really die as Arms if you're not good at pressing your buttons

[cosmic lance]

In the keys that 99% of the population is doing arms is able to survive fine

[sullen basin]

compared to fury arms does just die

[cosmic lance]

If it's just dying in like 25 keys, you're doing something wrong

[oblique trail]

The issue people have with living on Arms is that it's proactive and not reactive

So if you don't know how much something hurts and just don't pop a defensive, you're more likely to die

[sullen basin]

yeah like disc priest (hard to play) vs every other healer (easy to play)

[oblique trail]

But if you actually know how to use your defensives, Arms is plenty tanky

[cosmic lance]

When people talk about arms being unable to survive, they're generally referring to proper high keys, like 27/28+

[oblique trail]

Admittedly a weaker suit of Arms is that it's not as good against rot damage compared to Fury, in particular this tier

So bosses like Nymue in raid is rougher for Arms to live

[cosmic lance]

Where even using your buttons you're still probably going to need some help

[upper mica]

is the on use better to use beofre CD's?

[sullen basin]

pin just says not during and be enraged thats it so idk

probably doesnt matter

[summer bobcat]

man who can craft the binding rune for legendary? can't find anyone

[sullen basin]

if your cds are up they're gonna blast more right

[upper mica]

that was my though process - run in enrage pop it pop CD's DEEEEEPPPSSS

[upper mica]

you need to use the item on a crafter

[wanton grove]

1 lego on 19 ppl?

[summer bobcat]

i mean what crafter? engeneer, jewel or what

nobody whispers me for it

[upper mica]

double check the quest- i believe it says it in there but i dont remeber sorry

[final delta]

think inscription, but u got a scroll in your inventory that say's which profession

[summer bobcat]

yup where tf can I find someone with inscription

[final delta]

skill 1 is enough tho

[sullen basin]

press J to open guild, click the side with the people icon and change the rightmost filter to "professions"

thats how you find one

click inscription and if nobody is online ping them on discord ez

[final delta]

./2 lf inscriptor for lego craft @summer bobcat

[summer bobcat]

no guild

[strange briar]

Fury has innate 10% DR & with current build being bloodthirst that provides constant sustain.

comparitively 10% DR is insane. Its actually better than 750 avoidance if that puts it in a perspective.
Also the defensive ER compared to DBS is so much better as it provides better healing and gives same DR. (u can do some weird stuff with DBS but no one does actually)
since Fury doesn't care abt crit it can easily drop the crit choices with basically no repurcussion and go for some utility like stuns and additional health talents including pain and gain
Gushing wound heal is also incredible and All of its heals add more value just coz its 10% DR

Its not even comparable how shit ARMS survivability is compared to Fury at the moment because going for IP is actually dropping something else thats useful

[hard widget]

yep

[oblique trail]

A lot of damage you take in keys you can either interrupt or it's some sort of AoE damage, where the 10% avoidance is basically equivalent. There is unavoidable damage that Fury just naturally deals with better yes, and I also already said that Fury is better for rot damage (this tier, it'll be worse next season because of T30).
You don't need to go pick the 2 crit nodes at all, and you can easily omit them even as Arms so that's just a moot point

[mossy fox]

arms isnt exactly squishy, it's actually pretty good defensively if you use the kit well

fury is just built diff, thats all

[oblique trail]

Like I'm genuinely convinced people who say that Arms is shit defensively either do 29/30s where it actually matters, or are just terrible at pressing their buttons

[strange briar]

this, I agree, a lot of things aligned to fury to be this survivable including its tier set that foces you to take bloodthirst which allows you to drop crit talents with no repurcussions

[cosmic lance]

This. The survivability difference is irrelevant to like, 98-99% of the population

[fading sky]

100%

coz i play 25s and i was gettin fucked on arms for a while

until i just talented IP and started playing proactively

[strange briar]

i just did a 25 key, there is a massive difference

[summer bobcat]

man this leggo questline is so long and annoying for no reason

[fading sky]

OFC theres a difference coz in fury u can forget to push shit and live

but fury is STUPIDLY tanky

[cosmic lance]

There is a massive difference, but if you want to play arms you can play arms just fine

[fading sky]

but fury being STUPID doesnt make arms bad

[strange briar]

yeah I know, the discussion was comparing fury to arms. I never said ARMS is bad

[fading sky]

it just that if u go from fury to arms it is harder to live coz as benezi said its a different playstyle

[autumn mica]

Fury for sure has strong survivability. Probably one of the strongest right now tbf. Insane self healing, def stance, reflect, large hp pool, etc

[cosmic lance]

I believe the statement was "arms just dies" and that's incorrect

[autumn mica]

Any new legendaries today??

[cosmic lance]

Use your toolkit and you're fine

[sudden tusk]

20 BLP

gonna kms

[cosmic lance]

Up until very high keys that most people aren't doing

[autumn mica]

No class can die with good coordination and team work.

[lime galleon]

hold my beer 😄

[royal trench]

Was in a group with like 15 plates, no leggo drops.
Will try Hc later maybe my luck will change, either or I am retiring my 488 warrior

[cosmic lance]

I mean yeah if you're getting thrown externals it's playable sure

[autumn mica]

Yeah that's what i mean 🙂

[sudden tusk]

fury on its own doesnt need much

i really wish rally was 20% at least

in keys

[strange briar]

I have 24% vers on fury as compared to 10% on Arms, all of these add up

[sudden tusk]

arms just need a talent rework badly

[autumn mica]

All having individual knowledge about their class and team work is all u need to time keys. Externals are usually always available

[sudden tusk]

you have to gut aoe vs st depending on what the key is

i havent tried jugg+cleave just yet

but i doubt it out performs BS build currently

[strange briar]

if you add the context lets say doing a 28 key besides classes with better DR's ARMS indeed dies without an external after you have exhausted your stuff

[cosmic lance]

Yeah that's true - and that isnt a situtaion that 99.9% of the people playing arms are i

And if you're in that 0.1%, your group is coordinated enough to work with you and use externals

[strange briar]

I still think ARMS needs some help with tree changes or allowing DBS to be a more valuable spell

[mossy fox]

put it side by side with fury, and it's not too far from the truth in high keys imo

[cosmic lance]

I don't disagree in high keys, but the people saying it just flops are dying in 25 keys and lower by not pressing their buttons

[sudden tusk]

even with the insane power that is Dstance

arms just falls over

[mossy fox]

for sure

[sudden tusk]

Just wish swapping was easier

well playing with a lock maybe

being able to do EB as BS then swap to ST for last 2

is crazy good

but its comp dependant

wish theyd just allow like

1 talent swap per dungeon

should just give you a buff like old tomes used to

1 use per key

[merry jetty]

Do you think youre swapping to arms now tho? Like good old days

[cosmic lance]

Is it viable to run arms up until council boss or do you just lose too much time to be worth not swapping after witherbark? I haven't played around with it

I normally just swap straight after witherbark

[sudden tusk]

outside of the mage area being slower

being able to swap for council+ would be good

[wild mural]

here it comes boys

augury from vault

i feel it

[sudden tusk]

on non sanguine weeks you can pull trash into council

and mitigate some of that damage loss

[modest heath]

[mossy fox]

no

[sudden tusk]

fury is still just too good right now

im debating swapping to arms on fyrakk

but im not sure yet

[wild mural]

[modest heath]

[mossy fox]

for prog i'd just stay fury, more room for mistakes

[wild mural]

ez sockie

[strange briar]

for raid, I don't think it matters a lot, if ppl can do it at 478, you should be able to do iit at 488+ but with Fury, even if a healer is down you don't care 😄

[sudden tusk]

i just want to play whats better

furys tankiness cant be understated though

i just wish they would have buffed everything but the tier set since its so rng

[strange briar]

without a doubt ARMS dmg on p3 is superior but Fyrakk is weird, you want him to be lower health on P3 so Fury is still better i guess?

[sudden tusk]

its kind of a mix tbh

you still watn add damage

but 2 target cranks as arms

[oblique trail]

We got 2 warriors so there's a good chance I just go Arms

[sudden tusk]

were still progging the fun weak aura phase

[spice sage]

your boss damage is bin regardless of what you play tbh prior to p3

[cosmic lance]

It would largely come down to where your comp is missing damage

If its adds, colossus etc

[sudden tusk]

i mean we have a demolock and a dev evoker

[spice sage]

I'd just play fury, you don't die to anything. you can just pop sr and afk in blazes if you're worried about sniping people etc

[sudden tusk]

add damage isnt an issue

[fading sky]

i mean

[sudden tusk]

ill probably try it just because i can

[fading sky]

i only play arms coz i like it more

theres no other real argument to play it on prog tbh

as long as fury wanna push BT that often

it just lives to well

lets c how season 2 will treat em

[wild mural]

even in S2 fury was like, crazy tanky

[sudden tusk]

tbh itll depend for us

ill do some attempts but if it negetivly effects our push timing in p1

[spice sage]

the only argument I'd ever make for swapping is if it somehow made you eek out enough boss damage to skip the blazes that happen at 9:30 in the fight and that just isn't realistic until they nerf the boss

[sudden tusk]

it wont be worth it

[subtle lagoon]

Archi needs to cook a banger 5 page wishlist for TWW fury

[wild mural]

I just laugh at the ppl bringing up fury's s2 damage relative to other specs like it's even remotely relevant

[subtle lagoon]

I voted s2 for gameplay, people who voted for damage are missing braincells

[wild mural]

real

[sudden tusk]

i mean all the wishlist has to be

[wild mural]

cause A) a lot of specs are using the same tier set as in season 2 and B)they're gonna tune the numbers anyway 😄

[sudden tusk]

is "do more damage to 5 targets then other classes who have no cap or 8 cap can do to 5 targets"

[wild mural]

rework written 7536 times

[sudden tusk]

as long as we have that its fine

[strange briar]

S3 just makes more than half the tree pointless, which was the whole point of talent tree system. thats why i voted S2

[sudden tusk]

warrior basically has no neiche outside spell reflect

[timid forge]

^^ true and real

[sudden tusk]

i dont think warrior is in a like really bad spot or anything like that, it's doing quite well. it just needs that cream cheese frosting on the carrot cake that is the class

[wild mural]

i like to think our niche is being a solid all around dps, bringing a decent raid CD, lots of tankiness and both aoe and ST stops

[autumn mica]

Fury all the way

Arms stay out of my life !

[sudden tusk]

tbh

whats probably going to help arms is the collosus tree in TWW

giving it much needed defensives

and overall DR

[strange briar]

no dude, its bad, it may be ok for content when things don't matter but not having Brez, Lust, Dispell, Intervene, half the affixes forces ppl to choose warriors as a filler role? warrior defeinitely needs something more as utility

[sudden tusk]

its just unfortunate we will have to wait a while for a talent rework to become polished

I could see giving the class lust for sure

but tbh most warrior players probably dont WANT a lot of util and blizzard knows that

[red berry]

about to try arms

personally

[strange briar]

compare warrior to a RET paladin after buffs, they can do better DPS and 100 other things lol, you asre trolling if you pick a warrior atm

[sudden tusk]

i cant really compare myself to ret until i get the lego

the only pallies i've played with have it and i dont yet

[subtle lagoon]

Fury just needs to be giga buffed, fuck utility

[wild mural]

not really

[spice sage]

ret still has to crucify its st to do aoe.

[fossil hatch]

imagine legy 489 insta

[autumn mica]

Make more forum post. Maybe blizzard will listen

^

[subtle lagoon]

They aren't balancing the game around M+, only raids, and we're okay there so they don't care.

[strange briar]

? They can BOP, Heal, Brez, sac, provide team aura, cleanse? how is it even comparable

[sudden tusk]

i do think blizzard is making a significant mistake not putting more effort into M+ tuning

most players probably spend more time in a M+ dungeon then a raid

[cosmic lance]

Its an issue for season 4 given season 4 is more of an m+ season than any other imo

[tardy lark]

Couldn’t be me

[wild mural]

Same

[sudden tusk]

i like M+ becuase its playing the game more

but i should probably take a break and lpay other things

[wild mural]

I hate m+ cause its playing the game more

But I need to be strong

for season2

[red berry]

realistically, far more people do keys at this point then raid

so i agree

[sudden tusk]

anyway im way past my bedtime

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[red berry]

sweepy...

[fading sky]

i mean its so easily fixxable let the Throw thingy kill 1 afflicted and incorp

then 2 of the affixes are solved

and we somewhat gucci

[merry jetty]

You do raid once, m plus can be done several times

Its true that raid is the main thing, but not all players are mythic raiders

[fading sky]

they should really try to give it a go though

mythic raiding is immensely fun

[subtle lagoon]

Raiding is sleeper content

[strange briar]

yeah its easily fixable, i d k wtf blizzard is doing but since most of the people here are like I just need more dmg, i don't want a way to deal with affix, it makes sense why they don't do it

[fading sky]

ye i agree 🙂 like we could also prob need a bit more dmg

but realisticly its DH - Rogue that needs to be tuned down

coz like Boomie rewards insanely big pulls idm if they are very good

[strange briar]

ok watch rogues and DH complain how OP ret paladins are right now on top of having a brez and all. remind me in a week lol

[fading sky]

i mean ret is op

as is

before they buffed

[subtle lagoon]

Well if they make the way of dealing with the affix a 3min cooldown you need to waste a talent point on, just to take care of one of the spawns, then yeah I don't want a way to deal with affix

[wild mural]

Im super excited to gear my ret

[fading sky]

its obviously not the 3min one

[strange briar]

you said this lol

[fading sky]

we want to use

or they can just make Heroic throw do it

[subtle lagoon]

Yeah because realistically that's going to be all that matters

We've been crying about utility for ages

[fading sky]

i mean maybe for you

but for Pugging keys

it Really really helps if u can do shit about shit

esp in the lower brackets

where that shit matters

who cares that if in a 25++++ key u can have other ppl deal with it

[strange briar]

thats so contradictory to what you just said

[fading sky]

its the 18-20 weekly players that realisticly really could use this utility

[wild mural]

<-

[fading sky]

and in a 25 if u can deal with it, u are brought instead of mby a mage

or another class

which means easier to get into a key

but tuning of classes and utility should rly be done for the 20 range keys

like who cares that if u play 29s some classes cant live

play meta if u wanna be in that range

[wild mural]

you assume a lot of those ppl read the patchnotes and would see that warr received those abilities

[fading sky]

truuue 😄

[strange briar]

Also why can't incorporeal go away with a Kick or stormbolt, thats just a slap in warriors face

[wild mural]

real

[fading sky]

stormbolt could also be a solution y

[cosmic lance]

Its becomes an issue in weeks like last week and this week where you're trying to bring a lust, couple of sources of brez, sufficient stops/kicks as a baseline - and then the affixes start requiring dispels/cc on top of that

[wild mural]

increase stormbolt on incorps to like 30 seconds and taht'll make a huge difference

[cosmic lance]

It starts getting really hard to fit certain classes into a group together

[long prairie]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r8X2YcUvNkNm7jBQxQXxYU
fury
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eaYvHxp31WUijp9KCqYDkG
jugger

[fading sky]

ye "small" shit

[wild mural]

looking forward to s4 tho

meme season always fun

[unreal onyx]

Meme seasons are never fun

[autumn mica]

How much difference on patchwork x 8 boss targets for 2 minutes? Haven't simmed the difference myself yet

[cosmic lance]

I did 5t 3 mins and it was 590k arms 530k fury or there abouts

[wild mural]

well last meme season only had 1 good raid

[cosmic lance]

8 target arms would destroy fury

[unreal onyx]

This meme season has 0 if we have to play S2

[long prairie]

i'll try after my raid

[wild mural]

what do you mean

[long prairie]

@autumn mica https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dpizQEEQDCQSTMx2eqdy3q

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6jatEYpURVGBJ8JkZeyQrf

[wild mural]

s2 was really fun

[unreal onyx]

Nah

[long prairie]

st fury : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tkuk4wgPzZcBeNafgmDo8H

st arm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xt3RvWVHCyF7fef8DqkSPp

[wild mural]

I thought you had good takes

turns out I was wrong 😦

[chrome plover]

are you winning

[autumn mica]

Damn

[urban cedar]

I've got Myth Ravencrest's Wrath in vault (having gorehowl main-h and ravencrest off-h in hero quality). I've simmed them via raidbots "Top gear"; it says that Myth Ravencrest should be the main hand (gorehowl off hand), however the "gear compare" says otherwise (hero gorehowl main-h, myth ravencrest off-h.
Is max-min damage of the weapon the relevant detail, or the "dps" of the weapon in order to choose the main hand weapon?

[wild mural]

yes

my spine lost a fight with the ground but

[chrome plover]

did u fall

[wild mural]

got hit off my bike

fractured a vertebrae in my spine

[chrome plover]

fuck man

when

[wild mural]

monday

[chrome plover]

how are you doing

[wild mural]

lots of pain

[chrome plover]

was it their fault or yours or both

[wild mural]

but atleast I dont have to work

they accepted full liability

[chrome plover]

every cloud i guess

[chrome plover]

🤑?

[wild mural]

real

yeah

[chrome plover]

you'll heal though right

[wild mural]

fractured spine on a personal injury claim is gonna be dolla dolla

yeah def

[chrome plover]

pop impending victory ez

[wild mural]

sorted

[chrome plover]

my friend got hit off his (pedal) bike a few years back

car hit him and broke his left leg, then he flew over the car and shattered his right knee

[wild mural]

ouchhhhhhhhh

[chrome plover]

and it was the car's fault

[viral plaza]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5dYCfEWtAQu29tHt4Y3mq - anyone been able to sim higher than this, curious to find out what I need be looking for gear/stat wise

[chrome plover]

and he got fucking PAID

[wild mural]

I can imagine

I got 3k for a pulled ligament a few years back

[chrome plover]

maybe i need to get a motorbike

(jk i really hope you have a speedy recovery)

[wild mural]

I reckon I'll get 10-15k+

[chrome plover]

and can rinse that insurance company for as much cash as possible

[chrome plover]

yeah i can see it

[wild mural]

I hope so

I'm gonna get the bike repaired and sell iut

and get a car

[chrome plover]

fair enough

has it put you off riding the bike then?

completely understandable if it has cos jesus christ

[wild mural]

Im feeling like biking doesn't agree with me, as much as I love it

[chrome plover]

yeah..

[wild mural]

I hope to get another bike in the future, but not having to ride it constantly

[proven sandal]

Getting really unlucky on drops and have a surplus of crafting mats, whats the best crafted 2H, is it that Shadowed Razing Annihalator mace or something with one of the embellishments you get from mats?

[wild mural]

the standard crafted one is best, dont craft the embellished one

other embellishments are way better

[proven sandal]

whats the best embellishment to put on a standard one or should i save embellishments for non weps?

[mossy fox]

i used to bike to work

but using an electric scooter now

[ornate gust]

246k here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fCD1AS3MU3YhjdxTpKq3qB

[wild mural]

either embellished bracers+sfp or double SFP is best, generally, but you'd get better results by simming. you can put flavour pocket on the wep if you wish

[chrome plover]

yeah seems like a good idea

i just cycle to work on one of those forest bikes

idk if you have them there

[wild mural]

I think I'm further out from my work than you tho

[chrome plover]

yeah probs

[wild mural]

It's like 15 miles

[chrome plover]

yeah for me it's like 2

[wild mural]

I cycled it a few times but it was not fun

[viral plaza]

cheers, also side note try simming earthen writ or frozen writ in your offhand

[proven sandal]

ah so only embellish armour not wep

[chrome plover]

the ones i use are electric but still a 15 mile cycle every morning cba

takes me 7 mins to get to work now as long as a bike is nearby

[wild mural]

noice

[wild mural]

yeah embellished weps are pretty poor

[mossy fox]

alt warrior vault

[wild mural]

might

[arctic sinew]

Would you guys use butcher's block or sandglass for m+? Simmed it but it's hard to get an accurate sim for m+ trinks
2nd trink is mirror atm

[oblique trail]

Ronin is unaware of the lore update..

Still thinks your warrior is night elf..

He changed to Human because of rep gains and also because it's slightly more damage, new lore update just for you Ronin

I'm so thankful though you've finally been able to spell my name

[proven sandal]

is recraft a guarunteed ilvl upgrade or could i roll anywhere in 473-486 range? Never done it and I rolled 482 on my crafted web so idk whether to recraft

[oblique trail]

It's not guaranteed, it depends on the crafters skill. However crafters can use mettle to increase the chance (and basically guarantee) that it'll hit the highest ilvl possible

Most crafters though at this point will always be able to do rank 4/ilvl 482 crafts with inspiration chance, if they don't use mettle, to hit rank 5

[proven sandal]

so is that done on crafter side, I see i can include 5 mettle

[oblique trail]

Idk if you can include your own none of my characters have touched professions to get any ngl 👴

None of my lectures I've had covered them that much sadly, despite being a very proud denmarkian

It's clearly an area for improvement to really learn about our roots

It was

Denmark is great, but I really can't wait until the Atlantis expansion hits Denmark

[fading sky]

Ye odin and thor hella beasts

I do wonder what our religion was back earlier

I think we did do some human unliving in honor of the gods back in bronze age

[spiral night]

mythic still realm locked right?

[jovial coral]

Before that happens

come heal my fyrakk?

[chrome plover]

until hall of fame fills up usually

[spiral night]

how far off are we?

[sullen cloak]

any specific further details on the alteration to Fyr'alath?

DPS/ Raidbot sims?

Based on the PIN, we now similarily use it after cooldowns but when enraged instead?

[oblique trail]

never

[chrome plover]

not sure I stopped checking when I stopped raiding

it’s top 200

[jovial coral]

It's alright (I'm gonna go cry now)

[young ether]

simming 5k higher as arms now if i recraft my gear.. kinda feel lika i wanna be fury for fyrakk prog though to survive more shit xD

simming 232 as fury, 237 as arms.. no lego yet 😦

[eternal sundial]

Your call based on what you need prog wise

[unreal onyx]

Is 232k with good gear and no leggo? Idk what the big sims are nowadays without it

[oblique trail]

I sim like 232k with versa flask atm

[mossy fox]

same

[oblique trail]

And I'm basically almost fully theoretical bis apart from aug

[unreal onyx]

I think I sim 244 with lego

[mossy fox]

prolly same here, this sim was with corrupting rage

[empty grove]

@mossy fox did you finally get it?

[oblique trail]

I did lose like 1.5k from swapping to Nelf

[mossy fox]

no

[oblique trail]

if I was still human/velf I'd be 233k

[unreal onyx]

Nelf is still bis

[mossy fox]

this is just gear compare

[empty grove]

Oh >.>

[mossy fox]

meanwhile

[hearty surge]

Fury is also still better for fyrakk

[empty grove]

have you killed heroic fyrak?

[mossy fox]

not yet

[empty grove]

heres hoping

[unreal onyx]

There‘s your issue

[odd shuttle]

magnum p.i

[oblique trail]

Arms sims better to I'll simply play Arms 🐀

[clever path]

wow same

i love doing 13k less

cause of rng

[unreal onyx]

Just loot it

Actually, you don’t even have to loot it

[white relic]

for tindral and fyrakk progress you still wanna stick to fury right? i dont think that the arms buff will help on those fights

[unreal onyx]

You get it in your bags automatically

[ornate gust]

poor you Crit. I really wish you get it ASAP

[mossy fox]

imo on prog yes, being more tanky as fury allows more room for mistakes

damage profile is better for those fights too

suppose arms dmg profile could be better than fury on fyrakk if you need no damage on souls

[white relic]

ty. i was just watching at my new shiny arms sims and went warri-mode: more sim dmg - specc is better

[unreal onyx]

I will never play arms

Fury needs to be reaaally down bad for me to even consider it

[oblique trail]

We're running 2x warrior + 2 locks + 1 havoc, so I considered going Arms for it

The soul damage should be more than plenty with 1 fury 2 locks 1 havoc + the rest

[shadow flame]

@mossy fox can you share your ST sim with your gear now?

[unreal onyx]

#fury message

[noble frost]

Once again asking if anyone knows what to do in this case
Whenever lust is popped when im playing fury
There are alot of times where after clicking an action the game send that action out but the gcd timer does not move and hangs alittle before i can queue up another skill

Anyone knows whats the issue here?
Hardware, software
Elvui being kind ass?

[shadow flame]

was interested in the gear he was running laos

also*

[unreal onyx]

Just check rio

[radiant osprey]

Hey guys! I want to alt a fury warrior and meme a little, if I want to play with 1h weapons is it profitable to spend talent points on Single-Minded Fury or regular talents are better anyway?

[noble frost]

Rampage-refresh-bloodthirst-refresh-rampage-stutter-bloodthirst doesnt rotate and suddenly appears off cooldown

[unreal onyx]

Did you change your spellqueue?

[noble frost]

Yep to +30 of my ms

[oblique trail]

The typical rule of thumb is your ms + 100

[unreal onyx]

Sounds like ping issue then (I am no expert)

[noble frost]

Im running os 110 ms in raids

I assume it shouldn't be an issue

[noble frost]

Tested both 150 and 200
Both seem to still have the issue where my gcd doesnt load
Stutters
And suddenly come of cooldown and not in queue

Or if its in queue suddenly the skills desync

[gleaming crag]

9 weeks still not legendary first one in our guild was rng gifted to a tank God I love this game.

[sudden thicket]

We have 2 str DPS mains + 1 BDK. None have it, yet. However 2 on alts + 1 on healer. 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[warm crag]

Rng is random indeed

[dense elbow]

Sounds like an issue I had with faulty WA optimisation. Turn off all addons and see if the problem persists.

Hopefully it works for you too

[clever path]

well

at least i got one

[subtle raven]

[dense elbow]

Apparently you can duelwield legendary on the tourney realm. Fury is saved

[unreal onyx]

W

[unreal onyx]

Surely intended

[ornate gust]

🧐

[chrome plover]

technically you can duel wield lego on live you just cant acquire two 🤓

[ornate gust]

But no official said you can’t acquire two!

[chrome plover]

i dont think anyone needs to say it when it isnt possible :(

[opal monolith]

do u guys enjoy the way windfury exists in the game rn?

[molten relic]

You don’t even get embers once u have the leggo. And that’s just how quests work kinda

Can’t complete ones you’ve already done

[wild mural]

Surely I’ll get a 2nd one

[ornate gust]

The rotation is not fun. However, I like our execute phase dps. Huge

[opal monolith]

no i meant shaman windury haha ;P

im always annoyed theres iether no enhance shaman

or not in ur grp

[chrome plover]

maybe ask the insurance company

[opal monolith]

it seems to be a significant dps loss

[wild mural]

[dense elbow]

PvP vs PvE, dont worry about it

[low folio]

@earnest ether its possible that you were engaged in pvp when you read the tooltip?

[dense elbow]

[noble frost]

not using WA, im only using elvui action bars

[dense elbow]

Ya tried turning off all addons?

[noble frost]

dont recall, only turned off free stuff to test

will check again

[dense elbow]

always turn off everything, that way you know if it one of them, or two of them not interacting nicely

[fading sky]

lel can some1 explain to me again why Ret st was buffed this much ?

[dense elbow]

Bill Gates friend mains a Ret

[warm crag]

Bill Gates

[clever belfry]

Bill Gates

Benjamin Tore

[warm crag]

arms can get 256 ish and doesnt do zero damage outside of st

[shy knot]

LOL

[wild mural]

Ret time

[long prairie]

yes ret time

[shy knot]

Imagine being top of your class and spec, almost maximum ilvl and random ret beats you by 100k overall

Warrior moment

[wild mural]

Mission failed

[warm crag]

have you not been playing this patch at all

[shy knot]

Mythic+ not raid

[warm crag]

so you've been getting rolled all patch already

[low folio]

i was curious about his statement. i checked critcakes last video he released and there was a ret that did 100k more dps than him apparently

the one morthrang said

[shy knot]

Not talking about me kek seen a certain video

[stuck pewter]

is the legendary gonna be used the same way before this patch? Or is it better to use it before cds?

[warm crag]

use case should still be the same you just want to be enraged now

[stuck pewter]

alright

[shy knot]

Btw arms better now ?

[warm crag]

pure st sure

but fury is just better for the bosses that matter

[restive peak]

Fury fuk good but other classes fuk gooder

But fury is still the raid spec

[shy knot]

And m+ ?

[restive peak]

Feels like I’m gonna be #4/5 on our fyrakk kill so we’re still solid

Definitely fury for M+

[shy knot]

For healing

[restive peak]

Like if you push high keys, you will die as arms where you’d survive as fury

And surviving = DPS increase

[shy knot]

Arms squishy af

[warm crag]

not really

just not as tanky as fury

you have access to the same defensives shrug

[restive peak]

Fury as a toolkit is just inherently tanky as fuck

And our BT build lends to that even more

[shy knot]

You heal every bt

[mossy fox]

unless you push the highest keys you should be tanky enough as arms

[restive peak]

For sure

[shy knot]

And you spam that all day

[restive peak]

Arms is fun to fuck around with too, fury is just notably better after like 27s probably

25 and lower you shouldn’t be dying as either spec barring a group wipe

[mossy fox]

i think more ppl will give arms a shot though, since it should be more dps

[restive peak]

It’s fun to go brrrrr sometimes

[lean wasp]

i have 2 white polar bears on my bmah, how much is that mount worth ?

[mossy fox]

but idk how i would survive these 29/30s as arms

rather play fury, team will carry the overall dps regardless if im fury or arms

[restive peak]

110%

[heavy folio]

you need to try it for the content

[wild mural]

go ret

[clever path]

Its such a satisfying button

Im glad our tierset uses it next tier

[shy knot]

You mean ret ?

[severe plover]

if you like odyns fury now, you would have loved it in Legion when we had 100% crit in battle cry that shit was amazing

[mossy fox]

yes, team

[clever path]

I was there

Recklessness was a real button

Yes

Your bloodthirst will turn into bb when you ramp

[shy knot]

BC+OF was HUGE

you pressed that and a dude died in pvp

[gilded pawn]

You are supposed to

[shy knot]

What

Wasnt it s2

[gilded pawn]

Yes

But it’s still strong on st

An ability cAn be both

[warm crag]

surely screenshotting your talent page would make more sense

[vivid peak]

Question about stats: my sims are suggesting vers/mastery but another warrior in my raid group is going crit haste and is gapping me just to the sheer amount of casts. Any possible insight?

[warm crag]

just looks like a standard m+ build

[merry jetty]

He is pressing the better bhttons

[clever path]

Yeah im being sarcastic and salty

[clever path]

Robot

[full hinge]

yo does anyone know if the augury trinket from fyrakk is simming correctly as it stands it would give me less dps getting the augury

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uD6cYGgLXXVy7zQ9ve1EUq

[warm crag]

augury should be better than your eye

it might require some regemming/enchanting

its also just better at the fights that matter in raid

[lunar cape]

Rezans and augury are close in pure st but augury will pass it easily if any adds are in the fight (pretty much the whole raid)

[fading sky]

yeah always take augery

also its big for M+

[full hinge]

cheers lads ill look into swapping gems and enchants

[silver mantle]

Yo

You guys wanna see the best socket vault ever?

[sage smelt]

489 Might or you already have?

[silver mantle]

Yes

Also signet

the ring sims lower than the ones I have, rest is heroic garbo

[pulsar heart]

it drooooped 😄

[waxen valley]

The legendary

?

[sage smelt]

You already have dual 489 rings?

[pulsar heart]

yes 😄

[silver mantle]

Yeah, both with socket

[sage smelt]

sounds like a socket then

[waxen valley]

Grats

Now give it to me lol

Its a hunter weapon

Promise

[sage smelt]

nice

[molten current]

that cant be real, only paladins get the weapon in my xp

[pulsar heart]

everything is a hunter weapon

[waxen valley]

Yes

[barren dagger]

Can u get an upgrade on leggo? Like when you complete the quest you can have avoidance and leech with 3 sockets

Our whole class’s performance is based on the rng of having this item

[vivid peak]

Thanks y’all

[barren dagger]

So just fuck me up fam

[warm crag]

?

[barren dagger]

Just rambling

[topaz hinge]

yo guys

could smf be viable in an anger management annihilator build?

on paper it seems

good

but idk how much of a dps loss it is

[warm crag]

what kinda paper

[topaz hinge]

😂

idk

but could it be viable?

[warm crag]

depends what you're shooting for

[quick zodiac]

Ocean of the might is really good tho ?

[warm crag]

its probably viable

[topaz hinge]

well

in pvp

[quick zodiac]

Really good m+ trinket

[warm crag]

if your goal is 20s and low end mythic prog

[silver mantle]

Already got it 😄

[topaz hinge]

theres a -5 rage buff to anger management

[quick zodiac]

Ah🥹

[topaz hinge]

so im trying to find what the lowest possible cd i can get on it would be

[warm crag]

i mean if this is abt pvp go pester the ppl in #pvp

[topaz hinge]

nobody knows about it tbh

in terms of it being viable or not

[topaz hinge]

its not necessarily about pvp

[silver mantle]

All the people showing augury in their vaults got me hopeful

[topaz hinge]

but what build gets the lowest cd on angermanagement

[silver mantle]

now I just want to cry

[warm crag]

probably just running the s2 talents

[topaz hinge]

is that the ravager build

[warm crag]

ye

you build into unbridled ferocity thats probably the best way to shit out recks as often as possible

it will certainly not be good

[eternal sundial]

@warm crag did you vault augurus 496

[warm crag]

lemme just vault it from my 1 mythic kill last week

do u play arms philliam

[ember apex]

so i asked to get moved last week, and this week they said they couldnt do it (i didnt demand it) and i got benched for another sub rogue

[unreal onyx]

yesterday I learned

if a boss parries a empowered bb/bt

you don't lose the charge

[peak furnace]

can i dual wield the crafted swords ?

[cold cape]

I'm looking at someones log right now and how are they casting Thudnerous Roar in under the 1.5 min CD?

[clever path]

The talent

[unreal onyx]

uproar

[clever path]

Reduces it to 1 min

[cold cape]

Do we take that talent for Fyrakk?

[clever path]

Pvp

[halcyon hollow]

yes

[peak furnace]

cool, thanks a lot !

[unreal onyx]

yes

for myth you do

for hc you can but most top logs don't

[cold cape]

When is Thunderous Words better over Uproar?

[warm crag]

always

[cold cape]

The log I'm looking at is one of the top for Fyrakk using Uproar

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d4qbKGnJ98Cfacg6#fight=23&type=casts&source=257&ability=-384318&view=events

[warm crag]

hes playing both

[cold cape]

Oh I see

What do we give up for that?

[warm crag]

and i just realized im a fucking idiot

a point of cruel strikes probably

[olive wraith]

I don’t think this is a good idea. Anni and anger management don’t mix very well

[warm crag]

you can just copy his build yknow

[cold cape]

I'm so sorry, how do I see his talents on logs

[warm crag]

should look like this when you scroll down

[warm crag]

under tables

and theres even a very convenient export button so you can steal his build

[cold cape]

Oh ok thank you

Wow thank you very much

[compact siren]

I know

[warm crag]

obliterate my enemies

[wild mural]

[warm crag]

hows your spine mister

[wild mural]

borked

[dense elbow]

I didn't get a legendary, but I got this:

[wild mural]

hurtin

[dense elbow]

Dagger warrior inc

[wild mural]

lets goooo

[warm crag]

perish immediately

[late night]

hello all
war arms better than fury after the up?

[warm crag]

not for raid

[late night]

ok thx

need little up for fury plz blibli 😄

[warm crag]

fury's fine

[wild mural]

fury strong

communitys perception of fury is weak

[warm crag]

one of the better specs for the fight(s) that matter

[topaz hinge]

ok

[naive summit]

if i had augury i would be #1 war on nymue doing 240k dps

[warm crag]

sure

[naive summit]

i am not capping

i am that guy bro xD

[pulsar snow]

what are the chances of getting the legendary?

i think we miss a few paladins

[half rivet]

Death knight for sure

[naive summit]

dk is so downbad its not even funny

the buffs def put it in a better spot tho i hope more people play it

[wild mural]

why isnt my paladin in there

[fast mural]

holy paladin about to get it

[ornate gust]

as always

[pulsar snow]

a warrior got it xD

the Kiki guy

honestly this is a joke >.> all these weeks farming x3 fyrakk and still nothing

fml

[warm crag]

why would you kill fyrakk 3 times per week

[past pivot]

You only kiiled Fry 3 times total? Or you're wasting your time killing him 3 times a week?

[indigo arch]

3 lower chances vs one bigger chance

[fallen ginkgo]

For the thrill

[past pivot]

1 bigger chance has same % as the 2 lower ones.

Jus more time spent. Unless you also need an Augury

[indigo arch]

That I do

I cri evrytiem

[warm crag]

there is no shot m+ trinkets arent better than lfr augury

[pulsar snow]

but you get that greater fyrakk essence from each kill don't you?

[indigo arch]

Eh I have hero track crab as my non might so idk

[warm crag]

yeah but the hc essence will give you normal and below included

[pulsar snow]

i have augury

[fallen ginkgo]

[past pivot]

A 476 Augury is still good

[indigo arch]

Sims will just say hero track crab is better than a normal or heroic augury in aoe Sims, but the reality is different

[past pivot]

Depending what else you have

[clever belfry]

489 🦀 > 476 augus in aoe trust me bro

[warm crag]

i trust

[pulsar snow]

483aug is lower than 489 crap?

[eternal sundial]

Think not

[pulsar snow]

grab
*

[eternal sundial]

Grab

[clever belfry]

Highly Unlikely

[pulsar snow]

crab*

dfml

[gilded pawn]

grab crap

[clever belfry]

even 476 is probs better

[pulsar snow]

lmaooo

[indigo arch]

Yea sims place my h track crab above h augury but I know it's fake news

[somber elk]

man I hate this dumb legy system

[warm crag]

tf are you simming

[wild mural]

crabbo

[indigo arch]

5tar 1m 5tar 2m 5tar 5m

Frankly every iteration possible for aoe since there is no "good" aoe sim option

I just know it cranks damage and sims wrong, just like how it wanted me to use 489 mirror over 483 might

[past pivot]

Just use your normal top gear recommendation and swap out trinket(s) for MT.

[pulsar snow]

btw regarding the legendary drop chance, isn't it better to kill fyrakk in lfr,nm,hc ? since you have more greater essences boosting the chances of getting it? (i mean lfr is on it's own, normal and hc are shared i think)

[warm crag]

no

[past pivot]

No.

[eternal sundial]

The feelcraft science is wild

[silver dawn]

^

[gilded pawn]

bro simming everything just to ignore it

[pulsar snow]

so i've been farming for nothing T__T

[gilded pawn]

thats actually insane

[indigo arch]

Eh, in this case though it's not, augury IS better than crab

[dense elbow]

If blizz is truthful, then doing it once on the highest difficulty you can do, will yield the same total chance that week to get legendary; as if you did it on lowest to highest in order.

If blizz lied or nah, we don't know.

[burnt stone]

This is a comparison between Fury and Retribution after this patch.

Retribution's ST DPS is shocking.

[gilded pawn]

ok like

this is unironically much better than i thought

if we are only losing 8k on DS for 30k on ST

[gilded pawn]

are you cowfarmer

[warm crag]

you can just play arms for pure st

🧎‍♂️

[wild mural]

no

[eternal sundial]

He is him

[burnt stone]

Yes

[eternal sundial]

👑

[gilded pawn]

👑

are you still cancelling aug buffs in heroic

[burnt stone]

No, I'm not deleting it anymore because Aug gets angry by whispering lol

please be polite
“Please don’t give me the buff.”

[warm crag]

they still can't control it every time

[eternal sundial]

War breaks out

[burnt stone]

I just ask that they not give me this buff "Prescience"

Because I can't control the other Aug's buffs.

[drowsy drift]

Why hold one weapon when I can hold two.

[past pivot]

My ST sims are within a few hundred for Arms and Fury. Doing a few different types of MT sims and Arms is pulling ahead. But have to balance that with Arms being a wet napkin and not knowing that spec as well as Fury for keys.

[frosty patrol]

ret does 10k more dps than fury and everyone freaks out, rogue does it the whole xpac and no one cares

[warm crag]

whole expac hmm

[indigo arch]

Gotta figure though this is in a vacuum where ret isn't using some globals on utilities

Wogs freedoms sacs etc

Esp wogs, did a horrid everbloom last week where I swear half my spenders were it

[eternal sundial]

Why press execute once when you can chain 27

[indigo arch]

I'm happy ret even got buffed, can wear t1 banana armor proudly

[burnt stone]

Warrior doesn't seem to have too many things just because of Rallying Cry.
There are no useful utilities for M+ content, and DPS is not very strong.

[indigo arch]

Still fries my brain they nerfed rally

Thoughts and prayers don't exactly deal with either ghost affix, either

[olive wraith]

Maybe add a small amount of damage reduction to rally

Like 10-20%

[tulip swallow]

Nerfing rally is the first step to forgiveness

[sullen cloak]

Quick question, is Normal Augury better than 486 Rezans for AOE?

[olive wraith]

Probably

[tulip swallow]

We can have real utility once community perception realizes rally sucks

[mossy fox]

rally definitely does not suck in raid

[indigo arch]

Frankly I feel the shout tree from mop should come back, or banners

[mossy fox]

in m+ i agree it needs something

[indigo arch]

Disrupting shout, old spammable phowl etc

[burnt stone]

Rallying Cry is a very useful skill, but because of this alone, Warrior doesn't have too much.

[tulip swallow]

Just port over sigil of silence

[indigo arch]

Disrupting being tied to challenging shout is an L

Or just give dh damage, only other logical way

[trim cape]

Looking at my parse last night on Fyrakk it looks like I overcapped rage a lot, and I think that comes from burst windows. Perhaps I haven't understood the way our burst works correctly, but I thought it was OF BB ram BB ram BB Avatar BB ram BB ram BB and then whatever

but if you do that you end up with way more rage

after the avatar

[tulip swallow]

Bloodbath is more important than rage

[warm crag]

overcapping is fine

[trim cape]

i mean i don't CARE if I overcap, if i'm doing burst right, but it was mentioned a lot last time i posted logs

[mossy fox]

yes just follow prio, you will overcap rage

[trim cape]

yes chef

im pretty sure i played terribly and my fyrakk parse was dog but we did get the kill and thats what matters

140k

[eternal sundial]

I mean depends a lot on ur grp

[trim cape]

i simply need the legendary then i'll pump

[eternal sundial]

But fyrakk parses depend on soul damage

And how hard u hit boss

[trim cape]

dude

our tanks

[eternal sundial]

If you do both good log

[trim cape]

REFUSE to move the big trees

early

it sucks

[burnt stone]

I'm enjoying M+ with the same combination, referring to critcake's broadcast, but tomorrow I'll feel even more helpless against Ret lol

Please buff fury too!!

[trim cape]

genuinely theres probably like ten seconds between souls spawning and big trees being on top of them

[tulip swallow]

Subtract 10k because no lego

[indigo arch]

Ducttape 5 dks with abom limb to yourself for soul phase

[trim cape]

and god forbid warrior gets a knockback or something useful for souls

[somber elk]

who is simming 242k st with m+ talents?

[eternal sundial]

They have one

[trim cape]

doesn't work

[tulip swallow]

It's the worst knockback by a mile

[eternal sundial]

Big blast wave is also asss

[tulip swallow]

Requires a target + melee range and it doesn't even knock back the enemy you're targeting

[eternal sundial]

Could be better ye

[tulip swallow]

also target capped

[eternal sundial]

But it's technically a knock

[tulip swallow]

[indigo arch]

Add dragon charge to tree, job done

I wanna fly around like a Nascar in pve and run mobs over

[past pivot]

I'm sure it's doable. I'm like 236k ST with M+ talents on a quick sim

[somber elk]

5 min?

wonder how, im at 215 and im 487 gs

[trim cape]

Are you talking about intimidating shout or is there another one

[tulip swallow]

The intimidating shout one is our only knockback, yeah

[trim cape]

because that one doesn't work on them at all

[tulip swallow]

it's cringe

[trim cape]

i tried it yesterday

[eternal sundial]

Axw

[tulip swallow]

It doesn't work on the enemy you have targeted

only secondary targets

but also you have to be in melee range of the enemy you're targeting

[trim cape]

the fuck

im not gonna do that, nevermind

[viral plaza]

they could add something like they do with tranq and darkness where the effect is doubled in 5 man content

[olive wraith]

Just give it some DR

[somber elk]

imagine getting it

[eternal sundial]

Non 2023 axes 🥱

[past pivot]

Did d a top gear as well. M+ talents, ST gear, buffs, etc. 236k. Sure someone with mythic gear and human could get 250

Not surprising. Our ST and MT profiles are very similar.

[glad storm]

I'm at 220k in M+ talent, but no legendary yet 😞. My enhancement shaman Sims much higher

237 enhance shaman

[past pivot]

Look at wowhead, the t31 M+ build

[glad storm]

Look under T31 not t30

[modest condor]

fury doesnt even have bladestorm are you sure you're looking at the right spec?

[glad storm]

He's looking at t30 build and he means Ravager I reckon.

[olive wraith]

Dude we’ve told you already which build to use

No it was def here too

Cause you said you didn’t have ravager

Because you don’t have t31

[final delta]

any1 know's where to find the Fyr'alath details script? 😮

[dry talon]

in what case we use wafting x2 instead of waf/soph ?

[olive wraith]

When sims tell you

[past pivot]

We sim for it but it seems to be mostr cases. But earthn and frozen are also choices

[gilded pawn]

warrior doesnt scale with primary

ex dee

[dry talon]

wafting x2 its like perma 30% haste idk

[unreal cape]

hmm.. i'm honestly surprised that upgrading from a hero track to myth track weapon is only around 0.3% or 700 dps increase. worse than socket

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/biydQeRpj49LL6sLDpJ6P7

[clever path]

darkness treatment tbh

[gilded pawn]

when is critlock part 2

im waiting

[clever path]

offhand dps is a lot lower than mainhand dps

[gilded pawn]

or critrogue

[clever path]

fire warrior

[unreal cape]

yeah, well still better than grabbing a socket like the previous 4 weeks lol

[past pivot]

774 is big for an OH.

[gilded pawn]

im surprised its worse than socket

because oscket just gives less stats than a new weapon+the strength

strength isnt halved

[unreal cape]

yeah but overall. 700 dps is kinda meh

[gilded pawn]

only wdps is

[trim cape]

i would hope so

[lunar cape]

You can swap 2 talents in the st build and it's pretty much the aoe build.

Ashen and massacre to the ww ones right next to it

Then you got the aoe build XD

[open prairie]

titanic rage stinky

dancing blades better

[lunar cape]

Difference isn't that big

[olive wraith]

I thought you didn’t have t31

T30’will be better for you

I promise

T30 uses anger management and ravager

[open prairie]

they play different

t31 focuses on odyns

[summer zephyr]

socket from vault, no axe and lost roll for augury

[olive wraith]

T31 uses anni and of

[open prairie]

yeah you dont get OF cdr without t31 4p

[olive wraith]

Yes

Iirc you don’t have t30 either?

So you can remove the left side talents and fill in more rb talents on the right

[clever path]

no t30 u drop cshb and bb iirc

[olive wraith]

Until you get t31

[clever path]

and play fresh meat prob

even tho u dont need it

but imp bt is useless as well

[olive wraith]

Ye

[clever path]

invigorating fury

real

[olive wraith]

You basically don’t touch the left side

[slate forge]

Another week, another ember :D. The joys

[olive wraith]

What?

Fury doesn’t use tc

Again. Fury doesn’t use thunder clap

[dire vigil]

Thunder clapped in keys by every other spec

[past pivot]

Maybe he's from the future

[dire vigil]

Thunder clap for those getting leggos in LFR

Thunder clap for me unsubbing because another week of no leggo

[open prairie]

just get it on mythic

ezclap

[warm crag]

i have 100% success rate on this i can confirm

dk in my raid cannot

[open prairie]

dk thats a tank class right

[mossy fox]

critmage part 2 is underway

[clever path]

fire warrior

[gilded pawn]

oh shit

onslaught powers up ramp

[clever belfry]

we hate mage

log off rn

[mossy fox]

ye but last time i played mage they got nerfed and we got buffed

[sleek nexus]

keep playing then

[summer zephyr]

go for it king

[gusty compass]

Is there any WA or some addon to track how much Greater Ember of Fyralath you have got? And how much in some procent u are in?

Been farming that shit forever now.

[past pivot]

Of course not

[clever belfry]

cant wait for our 40% aura buff so we can compete with mage

[tender seal]

@syilithsn there is no % - only despair

[gusty compass]

Critcake dont go mage bro

[mossy fox]

why not

[modest talon]

so got any numbers checking if arms got better than fury?

[mossy fox]

its an investment

[gusty compass]

Dont leave us

[mossy fox]

make my leggo drop in 1 hour or else

[past pivot]

It's like 350 dps better in St, much better in MT ... if you live

[dense elbow]

Crit leaves, OF gets buffed,Crit comes back

Big profit

[lunar cape]

Did the paly buff tip that scale crit?

[dense elbow]

Problem is a bit more legendary

[modest talon]

ill join your stream and ull get it

[mossy fox]

ty

[modest talon]

i mean, the time is near

i got mine 3rd week but xD

[mossy fox]

tbh im not getting my hopes up about buffs to us in m+

[dense elbow]

My 30 man raid droped 0

[nova atlas]

weekly reminder that if this was wotlk most of us would have shadowmourne by now

[past pivot]

No way. Not even close.

[shadow flame]

@mossy fox do you have a sim of your character (with gear shown) for full ST?

[mossy fox]

i'm moving my expectations to s4 tuning so i dont get disappointed each week they omit fury from tuning posts for the rest of this season

[shadow flame]

trying to see if I am missing something on mine

[wild mica]

i cant wait for us to do mid damage in s4 and have also lost all our sustain because we cant press bloodthirst

[summer quail]

No one should. Blizz never buffs for m+ only and we are fine in raid

[mossy fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEjjjtgosmn6t7wcRmkCCT

[shadow flame]

yep, fury feels nice but, it just does not pump as hard as other classes. Survivability yes we have but, other classes have as well. Our AOE is capped so not discussing it, and ST is good but other classes have good ST as well. and utility we have none

[mossy fox]

this is it

[shadow flame]

yet they buff retri 😛 which needs a talent re-work not a buff