fury

[restive peak]

LOL

[open prairie]

oh its no fyr

[restive peak]

Fuckin hilarious man lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVYfYtTUddvySeyczTgAet

[unreal onyx]

petition to ban all ret sims in fury

[restive peak]

This game is so bad

[open prairie]

doesnt arms sim 250

with axe

[oblique trail]

Over it

[proud vessel]

Can we wear 2 of the same wep?

[restive peak]

Ret sims 262 with axe now

[oblique trail]

Saw a 254k sim in Arms earlier

[olive wraith]

Arms gang

[clever belfry]

arms vs legs

[restive peak]

I'm probably shelving my warr for the 1st time in ages after fyrakk dies

[open prairie]

i havent sent a spec sim 260 in awhile

[clever path]

just give it a week, surely rets will get nerfed

[open prairie]

seen a few like 255k outlaw sims

[clever belfry]

lmao i undusted it after the fyrakk kill happened

[restive peak]

I'll still do reclears on warr just cuz....we need battleshout, but I don't wanna gimp my friends in M+ anymore at the level we're at lol

[past pivot]

Keen to get home and see my arms vs fury sims. Arms was like 10k below fury this weekend. Even with sandglass
And I dunno about ret man.
Mine’s 476 but I cba to do the leggo quest a second time even if the sims are that much higher.

[restive peak]

My main might get decided by where I get leggo 1st, but I'll be prayin for some AOE fury buffs

[open prairie]

well yeah in raid you stuck

[unreal onyx]

nooooo

[open prairie]

unless theres another dps war

on your roster

[flat sapphire]

Crab or signet for m+

[sullen dove]

crab

[unreal onyx]

crab

[sullen dove]

[restive peak]

We got zero other warrs lol

[clever belfry]

wdym people keep saying fury is fine in keys no problems

[flat sapphire]

oke

[unreal onyx]

it is fine in keys tbf

[restive peak]

Crit losing to Qrva pre buffs, surely fury will be fine LOL

[open prairie]

i swear i see rets with the axe more than any other spec

[restive peak]

Everything is fine in keys if you move goalposts; fury is now bottom tier melee for upper keys though

[wild mica]

there are way more paladins im pretty sure

[open prairie]

ret is always a very popular spec

[clever belfry]

its bad compared to 5 specs
worse compared to another 10

[open prairie]

even when it doesnt perform great

[clever belfry]

fury is NOT fine in keys

[restive peak]

The annoying thing about the "fine" arguments are they mean you can do +20s

Like yeah

I could DPS on a resto sham and time a 20

[open prairie]

i saw a ret doing 135k overall in a 20 throne

he also had 1 dispel

[restive peak]

But if you're doing 28-30s...do you want a DPS warr for decent prio, capped AOE and no utility...or do you want a ret who does considerably better AOE, now similar prio/ST, brez, immunity, BOP, LOH, offheals etc?

[clever belfry]

but muh battleshout bro

[restive peak]

And then do you want the DPS warr or a rogue who can control entire packs, uncapped aoe, cheat death, shroud etc?

And then do you want the DPS warr or the DH who absolutely omegastomps, has immunity, darkness, magic debuff etc?

We were "fine", aka outer fringe, and now we are not fine, we are bottom tier for M+

We are good in raid, mid pack, and I can see why people who only raid and do 20s think it's fine

[restive peak]

[clever belfry]

i mean look at the keys noxiv and squish play

noxiv is like really good at fury

[open prairie]

tbh the meta rogue spec in keys rn is capped

if we’re talking outlaw

[clever belfry]

gets rolled by outlaw at all times gg

[restive peak]

Noxiv is basically a robot at fury

Outlaw is capped at 8, we are capped at 5

[open prairie]

yeah which is tbh fine unless you do like

everbloom maybe

[clever belfry]

[clever path]

you know what hurts, is that sometiems those who dont do 20s and go for like 28s 27s , they just need some crest or whatever and join a 20 and you understandd that its not fine

[restive peak]

It's not fine, man....go look at the above 25s, now remove everything below 28

[open prairie]

i meant 8 target cap actually works well

if its not everbloom or like brh

[clever belfry]

yeah 8 is mostly fine this season

[restive peak]

Ret was already above us considerably, in fact more rets than rogues were timing +25s lol

[clever belfry]

it absolutely wouldnt have been last season

[restive peak]

Ye 8 is solid

If WW were buffed to cleave onto 8 we would be right there in the mix

[open prairie]

dhs also get the extra buff where on top of padding on bats

they get demon soul buff for 20% more damage once one dies

[clever belfry]

ye u should technically CC one of them in the hallway

[restive peak]

I mean you cna just watch Crits 30 BRH to see ret was already absolutely gapping him

[clever belfry]

then chain it into boss late

[snow edge]

Unfortunately 25 - 28 and then 28 - 30+ is such a small % of players, Blizzard are unlikely to care too much (if they even did in the first place)

[restive peak]

And that the ST diff was fairly miniscule, 3-4% at most on Spite and such

[open prairie]

im surprised thats a thing for dh still

was it meant to be a flavor thing originally

[clever belfry]

and then the actual good warriors still get gapped by literal dogs on dh in 20s

[open prairie]

i guess ret wake also stuns in those instances

[clever belfry]

dh btw

[clever path]

brudda whats that anime on your banner

[snow edge]

Yeh that's true, but there's enough 'bad' fotm players in the like.. 18 - 22 range that it skews it

[clever path]

sorry bit offtopic

[open prairie]

tokyo ghoul

[snow edge]

Or rather you can get away with whatever class

[restive peak]

You can't balance around 20s, because 20s can be done incredibly suboptimally

The game needs to be balanced around proper play and potential, or it is broken.

[open prairie]

we’re like 20 ilvls above what people did 20s as

[restive peak]

For every bad DH that does the same dmg as you, there's an amazing 1 those would shitstomp you into nothingness

[plucky ice]

wow will never be balanced

[snow edge]

I agree, but if you look at it from a commercial or business perspective, the masses play in that range

[restive peak]

Even if you've equally skilled

Ofc it will never be perfect, but gaps of this magnitude at this level of income they bring in is frankly pathetic

[clever belfry]

no it wont, but this season is extremely bad

[weak forge]

do yall open with normal odyns fury in raid to get the cdr rolling?

or just rip everything

[clever belfry]

yes

[weak forge]

kk

[snow edge]

It's pretty bad, and it's surprising they didn't even attempt to close the gap earlier on; not sure on the logic behind it

And now it's probably a case of 'S4 is just around the corner and it's not a real season', so we're kinda stuck

[spiral oasis]

Any big vaults this week?

[snow edge]

Big socket vault

[plucky ice]

socket ez

[lyric panther]

Am I right in thinking if Avatar is still running and I cast OF it doesn't break roots? (Tindral)

[oblique trail]

Yes

[wild mica]

correct

[oblique trail]

You need to wait for it to fall off

[wild mica]

because you dont gain avatar, you just extend it

[clever path]

ngl it does feel weird for one class to go so high so fast

but alas, warrior time is still cooking

[quiet geyser]

Cooking for 2 expansions. Shits burnt at this point

[lyric panther]

Thanks, looking at logs I cast it 19.8 seconds after Ava 🙂

[clever path]

nah fam

its steak well done

[quiet geyser]

Na its shoe leather by now

[restive peak]

Shit got cooked so hard it's a cow again, battle rez'd by your new, shiny ret paladin BROTHERRRRR

[dusk jackal]

man, another week, another trinket conundrum. All sims tell me 489 mirror should replace my 483 might

should i believe it?

[calm swallow]

Still not my week for the axe T_T

[oblique trail]

Simwise Mirror is stronger than Might, but in practice I'd not recommend Mirror over Might

[dusk jackal]

even with the 6 ilevel difference?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[clever belfry]

i would definetly use mirror+6 over might

just accept u use it every other reck and forget about it

[jade aspen]

btw, anyone tested if worth changing to arms?

[wild mica]

for what content

[jade aspen]

m+

[olive wraith]

Arms feels pretty good

Not as tanky though

[wild mica]

depends what you do, in high keys arms dies and fury cant die

in lower keys doesnt matter

[jade aspen]

and for raid?

[clever path]

best class ever for all content around

[restive peak]

Arms just cannot survive the 28-30s

[clever path]

but its comfy play, is what i mean

[olive wraith]

For raid I think it may still lean towards fury

Arms aoe isn’t bursty

[past pivot]

If only you could sim the two and decide yourself … if only there was a way …

[dusk jackal]

wait wait...you're a warrior named Paladin?

[stark zealot]

I was Arms until M Smolderon then swapped to Fury and the survivability diff was insane

[jade aspen]

I don't have both equips, unfortunately

[dusk jackal]

im going to have a stroke

[ashen lotus]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-3/21752050-20-waycrest-manor

ez

kekw

[clever belfry]

me when the stun DR happens

[olive wraith]

lol

Fury too tanky

[wild mica]

say goodbye to all our healing in season 4

[crystal kindle]

if you have 4pc buff on, do you delay bt until its bloodbath?

[olive wraith]

Ideally yes

But if you can’t press anything else. You send the bt

[crystal kindle]

but slam or ww over the bt

[olive wraith]

^

[crystal kindle]

ty

[clever path]

Hey comrades, if i'm playing dancing blades and i'm at a pack of let's say, 6 targets, should i prioritize the dancing blades buff uptime or avatar?

[hollow elk]

So do we get anything from the haste buff to fyr and consequential nerf of the dot ?

[oblique trail]

Just pretend that DB doesn't exist

You don't play around it

[clever path]

oh, aye aye cap

thx for the answer

[unreal onyx]

gaming soon

[oblique trail]

500 pulls

seek god

[indigo quarry]

this boss is a joke now

but still hard

[unreal onyx]

what is that statement

[unreal onyx]

i stg like 390 were pre-nerf

[limber mirage]

Tonight is my night

[unreal onyx]

and we barely made it through p2 pre-nerf

[indigo quarry]

we were pretty much done with p2 pre nerf

[clever path]

fancy seeing you in fury

[indigo quarry]

we had 3 people come in that never did the boss

[warm crag]

i found her

[indigo quarry]

and it took them 4 hours to kill it

[indigo quarry]

fancy seeing you in fury too !

[clever path]

your so kind

[warm crag]

her obtained ourobos necklace

[clever path]

who is her

and why is she so pixalated

[oblique trail]

so happy for her

I will obtain auguryies and oranges weapone tomorrow

[eternal sundial]

augurus

surely

[warm crag]

wake up to the augury vault

[snow edge]

If not tomorrow, next week surely

[soft merlin]

how the legso looking this week boys?? another week no lego?

[eternal sundial]

@oblique trailwcl is fucked up right? its not close but says funny number

[eternal sundial]

got it a year ago

[warm crag]

@oblique trail wcl is fucked up right? its not close but says funny number

[dense elbow]

Best part being stuck on Smolderon prog? 3 HC vault spots

[eternal sundial]

i will channel fyralath the dreamrender at you (hasted)

(onuse buffed)

[oblique trail]

sidesteps

[dense elbow]

Drops AoE on the floor (hasted), laughs manically.

[oblique trail]

I don't know but if you got a 100 on your char page then pog

[eternal sundial]

i do not cuz wipe log ranking innit

was curious anyhow

[oblique trail]

oh I thought it was kill

[eternal sundial]

i wish

[oblique trail]

Idk wipe logs are cringe

[eternal sundial]

boss wasnt even sub 35% for i3

[oblique trail]

don't know how they work I just assume it's 100 ish for the points you're at

[eternal sundial]

not looking good

[eternal sundial]

guess vel would know but i cba ping

[fringe vale]

ayyy another week no legendary wep

i love this system

😄

[soft merlin]

next week bro 100% always next week

[fringe vale]

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-love-cute-sad-emotional-gif-16726589

[soft merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[lean valley]

So, how does the legendary work? Do I just get the weapon from killing fyrak? (I mean obtainment)

[fringe vale]

oh youre in for a ride

[subtle lagoon]

No you watch everyone else around you get it

[wispy thistle]

@lean valley you get an item to then do quests and spend quite a bit of gold

to then get it

[soft merlin]

dont worry he will get it first kill brother

[lean valley]

I asked how to get it and this is the responces

[oblique trail]

Kill Fyrakk on the highest possible difficulty and you have a chance to loot it

[fringe vale]

always the dps below the green tank gets it

[subtle lagoon]

TRUE

[oblique trail]

Basically you have a chance from LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic, but if you kill on HC first it does the roll for HC and all below

[lean valley]

Oh okay

[pallid wing]

if i kill fyrakk on heroic is it still worth it to kill him on normal and lfr to get a shot at the lego?

[oblique trail]

No because as I just mentioned you already used your chance then

[pallid wing]

oh you just said it, my bad

[runic otter]

Whats better combo for aoe? Augury and might of fhe ocean. Or augury and rezans?

[wispy thistle]

sim

but probably aug might

[fringe vale]

depends

if raid boss

[wispy thistle]

@fringe vale he didnt say raid or not , just AOE, i cant assume raid, thats why i said sim first

[drowsy heron]

how much is the gold sink for the leggo these days?

[fringe vale]

eh idk i still havent got it 😄

[clever path]

Aug might

[fringe vale]

guessing around 300k to 500k

[clever path]

Rezan is very bad for aoe

[drowsy heron]

still that low for the small dps increase, sadge

[lean valley]

wow, thought it was gonna be more thats nothin

[fringe vale]

it used to be in the millies, now since everyone has it (but us the deprived)

its not much

whats sad af

is the superbloom runs

[drowsy heron]

not that much for people who are rich, i'm broke at like 450k

[clever path]

Btw

[north edge]

I had 450mil once upon a time

[clever path]

They nerfed rise

[modest condor]

key is free

[drowsy heron]

donations are always welcome lol

[clever path]

What happened to it

[long prairie]

guys someone have the dps rank list with the new updates pls ? someone linked it earlier

[north edge]

Bulk of that got hit with a ban

[clever path]

Fuck man

Sadge

[north edge]

To be fair it wasn’t legit

Was a big

[fringe vale]

that amount of gold sounds like someone that sold chinese tcg mounts

[north edge]

Huge

Bug

[clever path]

Should have sent it to million different accounts

[drowsy heron]

i'd be happy to just have like 3 mil to chill with lol

[north edge]

The r3 guaranteed enchant bug

Made like 90k r3 Sophic enchants

[clever path]

Rofl

[ember apex]

my guild made multiple gold caps worth of gold when DF launched

we made the lariats for liquid and a bunch of other stuff

[marble schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jaFaJ2b99X4g2RX6uZLoq8

seems like my guy is tired of all that vers lol

[unreal onyx]

where in logs can I see who did the most dmg on the tindral shield?

[oblique trail]

absorbedDamage > 0
Input this into the filter expression

[unreal onyx]

ty

dmg to shield over 22 wipes

[oblique trail]

Are you using Wrecking Throw

Also Fury wont really do a ton of shield damage

[kindred notch]

yo guys Tomorrow how much we have chance for leg?

[oblique trail]

An undisclosed amount

I will never tell you

(No one knows)

[olive wraith]

More than 0

[clever path]

No chance

Because it’s my turn

[dense elbow]

50/50, you got lego tomorrow

[unreal onyx]

yes

14% wipe

we're getting there

[still raft]

finally got aotc over the weekend, hopefully leggo time on reclears this saturday

[warm crag]

noober throw

[dense elbow]

Nice, good luck Sif!

[paper ivy]

hey does anyone have the autoaccept wa

[past pivot]

0% I have it so my chances are 0. You have 50% chance of looting it each time (basically) so 0% x 50% = 0.

[dull sierra]

50%

[sullen wagon]

50% either you drop it or you don't

[fallen lava]

Does Fury have any stat cap or go-to cap?
Or is it full mast, vers > all?

[unreal onyx]

sim

[narrow narwhal]

Sim cap

[fallen lava]

ok

Are the stats the same for M+ or ST?

[edgy widget]

more or less, crit is a little more valuable in MT but most players don't consider it worth gearing for

[astral path]

Surely I get signet or augury or legendary in week 10

Surely

I’m convinced they turned off my legendary chances

[dense elbow]

Dont worry Firehawk, I will turn it back on tomorrow

[unreal onyx]

and I will turn it off

until you pay me 500k gold

[vivid peak]

I am a strong believer that anytime a new hotfix comes out, it resets our chances

[mild thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vE4Gjahui8PrnqharpP4dC
ST buff

[dense elbow]

What if I told you... there isn't actually a chance system. But a predetermined AI created list that distributes the Legendary. All based on data on how to secure a trickle of Legendary to the right places to ensure maximum retention.

[unreal onyx]

like a lottery

your ID is either lucky or unlucky

[north edge]

im praying to the lord almighty

that wep drops on my ret

[dense elbow]

Just pay 500k to Lolxd, ez legendary

[unreal onyx]

I have it, that's my proof of legitimacy

[keen stone]

They better have my asset the top of the list done I’m about done with this season

[dense elbow]

System keeping you thristy and hungry, you will be back - or right before you break, you get it.

Just gotta keep grinding to your limit first

Why do you think LFR boys get em so often, hmm?

[unreal onyx]

that's how they keep you hooked

crack mindset

[hollow mirage]

i needs help, i dont know whats better to take, cause Cata is still really strong, the route is higher lvl but on use and the ring is pure 2nd stats >.<

[dense elbow]

Sim it, and come back to us. But branch is kinda niche

[north edge]

fuck

no leggo on ret

guess its another week of warrior main

[round geyser]

How come Rezans eyes sims higher than augury?

Is this cap?

[olive wraith]

What are you simming

[clever path]

Why ret

Why not a warrior

[north edge]

my main and alt warriors

both have leggo already

still not getting invites to keys

[clever path]

Give one

[unreal onyx]

SHITFUCKSHITFUCKSHITFUCKSHITFUCKSHITFUCK

[oblique trail]

At equal ilvl they're basically the same, with Rezan being slightly higher

It's not unusual

[round geyser]

No way, rezans doesn't even scale with verse.

[oblique trail]

Augury however has a higher maximums compared to Rezan

:)?

How so?

[round geyser]

It's litteraly in the description.

Rezans is tied to ilv.

You buff Augur per verse stat.

But the raidbots sim favors rezans by 400~dps at 486ilv. each.

[unreal onyx]

in my sims my 489 rezan sims equal to my 483 augury iirc

[round geyser]

Perhaps its proc'ing alot in the sims?

[unreal onyx]

it's taking the avg proc rate

[silver mantle]

Can someone help me understand something real quick?

[clever path]

Yes

I am good at understanding things

[silver mantle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sAHb4y6MaKcn8ZfxEZX4nz

How in the world is my 483 neck beating everything else?

[oblique trail]

Idk if you're just trolling or clueless, but that's not how versa works lol

It doesn't just omit some trinkets from being affected

[round geyser]

Can you read?

[thorny peak]

What's going on in here

[olive wraith]

Unbridled ferocity

[clever path]

[pulsar mason]

Teaching Banezi to read

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure vers still works on rezan

[wild mural]

oofers

[unreal onyx]

last pull magic

our best before was 18%

[wild mural]

lets go

[unreal onyx]

dead thursday

I freaking hope so

[wild mural]

surelky

[unreal onyx]

how far are you along?

[wild mural]

idk like 60%

[oblique trail]

I hate how the game works and how to read! Two different setups where I swap out my versa crafted jewelry for haste/mast instead, where it shows a very clear difference in the damage between the two depending on my versa

[sullen cloak]

hey guys. Just logged a heroic Tyndrall but my Details! damage meter is showing a different dps than my logs...

Seems to be logging Mark or Fyr'alakk incorrectly

Deos anyone know why this is?

[wispy thistle]

do you have an aug? @sullen cloak

[eternal sundial]

augmentation

[frosty patrol]

aug

[unreal onyx]

aug diff

[eternal sundial]

check ur buff for green bars

[sullen cloak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XhB84RKHQfbczgFt#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

[ember apex]

aug affects leggo?

[eternal sundial]

like this

[eternal sundial]

just in general

oh and SR isnt attributed

[ember apex]

yeah but hes saying theres a discrepancy in leggo dmg

[eternal sundial]

log looks clean tho

hm

[sullen cloak]

I dont have aug trinket....running Rezan and Ocean

[eternal sundial]

they meant aug the spec

[olive wraith]

Would prescience not attribute extra damage to leggo

[oblique trail]

Like

[wispy thistle]

aug still messes with details

[eternal sundial]

oh ye i cant open my eyes after raid

get augd xd

[oblique trail]

People trying to school other people when they think because a tooltip doesn't mention it, it's not reflected at all

[sullen cloak]

really dumb question sorry what is aug then

[eternal sundial]

its a buff spec

[olive wraith]

Do any trink aside from Aug reflect the vers scaling in the tooltip?

[eternal sundial]

makes u stronger but they get the damage they gain you on logs

so you think you get a super nice log but its "their" damage

[sullen cloak]

ah i see...is that it then? annoying as was a decent parse on the meter

[snow edge]

I just came here to see if @oblique trail ended up learning how to read

[eternal sundial]

aug is inherently annoyingf

to play and to play with

[unreal onyx]

[oblique trail]

Yes there are trinkets that explicitly state scaling with versa

[sullen cloak]

ah....ok not as good as i firs tthought but parse is good enough to bump up my allstar to where i want ti tomo!

[oblique trail]

But all damage trinkets get affected (to my knowledge anyway don't recall ever seeing any that isn't) by versa

[true sapphire]

I finally

I finally augury

[twin glacier]

Lmao

[eternal sundial]

1 key frog

[twin glacier]

My guild wants to send 2 warriors on tindral on pure single target

With spear and execute/juggernaut

[true sapphire]

I had a busy week last week. One key, one raid.

[twin glacier]

Any takes

[tardy lark]

[true sapphire]

And I ran my 1 key right before my raid night 8)

[eternal sundial]

now show raid

[unreal onyx]

[wild mural]

waow

[true sapphire]

Big time

[unreal onyx]

I am a 2x LFR 2x m+18 gamer tomorrow

[fading sky]

Mines same... all i can say is sry🤣

[eternal sundial]

no way

[wild mural]

we are gaming out here

augury for sure

[jade trench]

can u still get leggo chance if u do LFR then go do heoric

[oblique trail]

That is fucked

Do not do that

[unreal onyx]

do you have 489 might?

[wild mural]

yes

[oblique trail]

You don't gain any appreciable value on ST compared to the root damage you'd otherwise have, before accounting for Uproar timings

[olive wraith]

Yes. But it’s better to just run it on higher difficulty

[unreal onyx]

yes but you don't need to do LFR

[olive wraith]

If your aim is just for leggo

[unreal onyx]

just do hc and pray

[jade trench]

Yeah my guild raids later in the evening figured I can try on lfr earlier

[wild mural]

how can I not get into a weekly 18

[fading sky]

Exactly what i said and i play roar but with exe and mass

[jade trench]

Just don't want to ruin chances doing it on lfr instead

[unreal onyx]

you don't ruin chances

but you just waste time

[true sapphire]

You don't ruin chances

[silver dawn]

I’m debating whether it’s worth running normal fyrakk for augury

Mostly do m+

Rocking a might and ember

[true sapphire]

It's just a time sink, running it on heroic will do your LFR, normal, and heroic rolls all at once.

[tardy lark]

life isnt fair man

[true sapphire]

But if you wanna run LFR give 'er hell. I always run LFR because sometimes I can't get into a heroic pug

[wild mural]

un4ch

[tardy lark]

[wild mural]

gonna get augury from vault and never do LFR again

[ember apex]

put in a ticket

like honestly

[silver mantle]

If that's a mythic neck

[tardy lark]

nah brother its LFR

fresh char xd

[eternal sundial]

Rolling mythic surely

[unreal onyx]

surely they will roll myth gear

[silver mantle]

Next raid mythic

surely

[unreal onyx]

and everyone rolls need

[wild mural]

I need it

[unreal onyx]

I didn't check stat prio in week 1

and just rolled bis on the one that dropped in hc on our kill

and I am NOT sorry

[oblique trail]

lol

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/xatures-happy-dance-feeling-it-følerden-gif-14173578

[fast mural]

what happened to elon

[oblique trail]

pork in the lairs

[tardy lark]

pork in the chat gais

[wild mural]

gg ez

dht belt or augury

[unreal onyx]

wanna know a secret?

||it'll most likely be neither||

[wild mural]

I know

[unreal onyx]

I have 2 m+ slots

and I prayge for shoulders to catalyze

that's all I want

[tepid scroll]

Another week of coping with these in my future. No lego again

[flat sapphire]

I want new neck weapon or augury

Still rocking this beauty

[unreal onyx]

Did you do any key this season?

[flat sapphire]

Yes

a bunch

almost 3k score

[clever belfry]

7️⃣

[unreal onyx]

There‘s no way you didn’t get any neck in that time

[warm crag]

7️⃣

[flat sapphire]

I got no necks

Not even in vault

Then again I still need to farm brh for that neck

as I did with rise for gorehowl

did like 20 keys to get it

[clever belfry]

deserved fate for s3 "enjoyer" (stockholm syndrome haver)

[acoustic furnace]

why the hell does an LFR augury sim higher than a mythic branch

make this make sense

[clever belfry]

5min sim?

[warm crag]

lfr augury is a normal augury ye

[clever belfry]

half your 5min sims do not use a 3rd branch

[warm crag]

i think

[acoustic furnace]

LFR is champion level yes

But still it's a 13 ilvl difference but still sims 700 DPS higher

[warm crag]

somewhat close in ilvl + its just a really good trinket + the sim style you're picking probably doesnt help branch

[acoustic furnace]

5 min single target patchwerk

[warm crag]

make it a 6 min sim and branch will probably be a tiny bit closer

[clever belfry]

or 4

🤷‍♂️

[warm crag]

or 5 seconds

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah the initial burst is crazy but it falls off so hard in comparison

[clever belfry]

5s sim branch gonna be YUGE

FRFRFR

i mean its gonna farm augury if you kill a boss in 2:50 lets say

(on average)

augury can always hyper highroll

[warm crag]

i dont even know how long it takes to break the branch

[clever belfry]

like 5s

[acoustic furnace]

4 GCDs

[warm crag]

i swear it has an internal cd

[acoustic furnace]

It breaks one branch every time you cast a melee ability

total of 4 branches

[clever belfry]

this is actual lore

so true

[warm crag]

i think it has somewhat of an internal cd not every button breaks one

[acoustic furnace]

I'm kinda scared to use it bc we're progging nymue and I feel like being slowed on that boss has a high chance of killing the shit out of me

[fading sky]

Nah

On pull next time it should lign fine

[flat sapphire]

The only neck that I can get that is better than my 476 is 300dps increase

[olive wraith]

Could craft one

[silver mantle]

A crafted 486 neck is worse for me than my current 483 one

What a world

[olive wraith]

How

Which neck

[silver mantle]

One sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sAHb4y6MaKcn8ZfxEZX4nz

[worn mauve]

try it with a mastery/vers neck

thats usually the best

[silver mantle]

Gonna run some more sims tomorrow

Bed time now

Else mommy gonna kick my ass

[dense elbow]

Nn, dont let the bedbugs bite lovedove

[silver mantle]

Aww ❤️

[barren dagger]

did anyone from NA play with a ret in keys yet?

[granite frigate]

yes

[barren dagger]

they turbo slap?

[granite frigate]

yes

u barely edge them in ST/cleave

but they consistently do 100k more on aoe pulls

even more when u dont have cds

on their ashes pull they simply double warrior damage if theres more than 6-7 targets

the cherry on top is that the legendary is actually a great asset to them

the use seems like to make fury very clunky, rage starving and doesnt help to get odyn fury back

on ret its just better damage than their non burst window

[clever path]

Doesnt wings help the crit on the lego

Weird that reck doesnt

[waxen valley]

Can I get two of legendary axe for fury warrior?

[dense elbow]

Nop

[clever path]

No

[granite frigate]

even if it would

[waxen valley]

[granite frigate]

it wouldn't be worth it

[waxen valley]

Can I do it transmog wise

[dense elbow]

yep

[waxen valley]

Oh cool

Thanks

[restive peak]

We no longer beat them on ST either, we very slightly do in their AOE spec depending on fight length

But if we get 2 CD sets and they squeeze a 4th in, they win.

[granite frigate]

at this point fury just needs a rework on their target cap to make them competitive at highest level

[restive peak]

We are officially mediocre status

[granite frigate]

we stiull beat them on ST according to sims on their m+ build

[restive peak]

WW to 8, tier set cleaves, rally gets darkness treatment; we're solid

You beat them when you get 3 CD sets on a 5m

Change it to 4 and they win

[spiral orbit]

We have way more utility in m+ though, so we make up for the damage that way.

[restive peak]

I hope that's sarcasm cuz if not you need to touch grass brother

[granite frigate]

lmao utility

[dense elbow]

[spiral orbit]

if u couldnt tell that was sarcasm i have no words

[dense elbow]

Sarcasm on the interwebs, is usually done with the power of ...

[hardy cargo]

bro its text unless you have something to insinuate sarcasm its not going to go through lol

[dense elbow]

Yeah, you are for sure right...

Warrior is the best class atm...

nothing beats warrior dps...

[granite frigate]

lol

[dense elbow]

...

[restive peak]

We are now probably barely ever getting invited, and I don't blame people who prefer DH/Rogue/Ret/Mage/Aug/Lock and now, Spriest again too if you run rdruid

[dense elbow]

What content, for context?

[restive peak]

M+

We will always have a raid spot.

[dense elbow]

20s, 25s, 30s?

[restive peak]

25+

Anything can do 20s

[dense elbow]

Fair, I can see us getting steamrolled after 26-27 mark, if ret is just better

[restive peak]

There are literally 5 warrior comps that do 20s for lulz

Ret was already above us for representation above 27 btw

[dense elbow]

I am aware

[granite frigate]

the only way u can make 28+ is to build the party around warrior and even then it's becoming quite painful

[restive peak]

It's kind of interesting how much people didn't even notice that

[dense elbow]

Didnt notice what?

[restive peak]

I mean no, I have several 29s and most 28s timed and we run DH/FMage/Warr, but it's very obvious that it'd be easier if I were a diff class.

Didn't notice ret was already ahead of us

[dense elbow]

Player diff, dont worry about it

[spiral orbit]

ret and warlock did a great job sandbagging gotta hand it to em

[granite frigate]

ret has INSANE toolkit i wouldn't be surprised it gets meta replacing augs in top keys

their healing is actually impressive

[dense elbow]

Ye, the buff was a bit suprising in context of M+, but I guess they wanted to make raid better for them.

[restive peak]

So buff final verdict by 25%

And don't buff the other shit

[dense elbow]

Just be glad they didn't give them a 10% aurabuff or something instead

[olive wraith]

Ya that’s the part I don’t get

[dense elbow]

we are talking blizz devs here

[olive wraith]

Why not just buff ret st a little

[restive peak]

Ret needed an ST buff

Instead they gave them that + a ridiculous AOE buff

[dense elbow]

BDK needed ST, what they do? Aura buffs

[restive peak]

And they already had all the utility

It's just so out of touch, it's sooo weird how lazy blizz is with this.

[dense elbow]

Just be glad blizz tried, at least.

[restive peak]

It's like they announce the next expac and just afk it

[clever belfry]

no

if i try making food and just burn down ur kitchen

[restive peak]

^

[clever belfry]

would u be glad

[dense elbow]

Be kind to the one unpaid intern, that is doing the balancing. Ok?

[restive peak]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[dense elbow]

He is just 15.

leave him be.

He did alright.

[wanton mirage]

Prolly DH main

[fading sky]

Dno but maybe reduce ret St or aoe. And then aura buff

[dense elbow]

15, so yeah

[spiral oasis]

we finally got something from vault

[dense elbow]

Gz :D

now get that socket

[spiral oasis]

Now I just need the 2 rare items that make me good

[restive peak]

Honestly I would pay money to sit in on their balancing meeting

I'm morbidly curious

[dense elbow]

You think they got a meeting?

Nah, there is a post-it note board, CMs slap on "fix ret" on there, a dev might pick that note and fix it

CM say legendary need a buff, ppl feel ST is too strong? Dev look at note "Legendary onuse weak", the dev go 'hmmmm' and slaps on some ST dam to the legendary, and removes power from the DoT, as the on-use AoE damage went up. So compensated for that.

Don't worry, the "look at fury" note, is just under all the other notes on the board. They will get to it, if no new notes are slapped ontop.

[fading sky]

I think its more dare you to buff mage

[sullen tendon]

this isthe most fuck you we are dumb thing ive seen posted in a while

wait until the season is almost over to fix the worst dungeon

does blizzard have this idea that dungeons are raid bosses?

nerf them at end of patch

[dense elbow]

Got to make sure ppl who called it, with push week over, to come back to push that one key.

[restive peak]

Rise nerf was necessary

Most of us who have 29s are stuck at 27 on rise

[sullen tendon]

it doesnt even address the real issue

[restive peak]

All keys should be doable within 1 key

[sullen tendon]

the timer is too tight

[restive peak]

What? That's a timer nerf by definition, these nerfs are MASSIVE

These are 2 key level nerfs brother

[sullen tendon]

it wont matter

[fading sky]

Who cares if its 2 keylevels easier or harder

[sullen tendon]

only thing that affects the timer is the tyr trash and people already lust all of that

[ashen socket]

We are 2 months into the season... What do you mean almost over

[restive peak]

Ok, so I'm not gonna debate with you but it matters a ton

[sullen tendon]

it ends in like march\

[restive peak]

This will take those of us pushing to 29 rise, it matters a lot.

[ashen socket]

Who said?

Don't assume shit

that you dont know

[sullen tendon]

you expect them to push out season 4 a month before WW?

[fading sky]

But dungeons dont need to be equally easy

[sullen tendon]

war within is coming out in late summer

not fall

[restive peak]

August is late summer btw

[ashen socket]

zzzzzz

[sullen tendon]

yea and expacs usually launch in november

[restive peak]

Last fated season was what, 3 months?

[flat sapphire]

Tww coming out this year?

[restive peak]

It's likely this season ends May

[sullen tendon]

still its insanely stupid that they refuse to address the issues with dungeons in thebeginning ofthe season

[restive peak]

Or end of April and we get 4 months of fated

Nope, those are great nerfs

[sullen tendon]

nerfs wont mater when people alredy regard it as the worst dungeon to do and hate doing it

[restive peak]

And everyone I've spoken to today that pushes keys agrees

[sullen tendon]

im not saying they arent good nerfs lol

its just stupid how blizzard thinks

[restive peak]

It matters heavily for title, it's also incredibly frustrating to be stuck 2 key levels down on 1

[flat sapphire]

Wait what did I miss

[sullen tendon]

nerfing things late into a patch

[clever path]

genuinely the best part about that nerf

[restive peak]

It's not late into the patch

[clever path]

are deios nerfs

[restive peak]

Thank god right

[clever path]

its funny how impossible that boss is for tanks

[sullen tendon]

youre just being a contrarian

[restive peak]

Fuck that fight

I'm not, it's not late into the patch, HOF isn't even closed lmfao

[sullen tendon]

cause fyrakk is a bitch

[clever path]

are people really saying its too late

[past pivot]

People will bitch about anything

[clever path]

when title grind usually starts when people are done with prog

[restive peak]

We have like...4-6 more push weeks still

This season is half over at best.

[clever path]

not next week

[sullen tendon]

thats pretty late

[past pivot]

8-9 weeks before season is over

[clever path]

sang incorp

[sullen tendon]

to finally nerf the worst dungeon

[clever path]

its not even the worst dungeon

[restive peak]

That's not late, jesus dude. You're complaining about nothing lmfao

TOTT is the worst dungeon btw

[clever path]

throne

is worse

[sullen tendon]

im complaining about the precedent

[clever path]

have u seen throne in a really high key

[sullen tendon]

i lvoe throne

[restive peak]

This is the precedent; like literally this is normal for them.

[clever path]

everything oneshots everyone

[ashen socket]

Stop complaining about nerfs and just be happy they happened

[sullen tendon]

throne is awesome when youre a warrior

[restive peak]

Bro we tried 29 throne last week OMEGALUL

[ashen socket]

one of the dumbest things to complain about

[clever path]

yeah surely

[restive peak]

Flameshock just 1 shotting people

So fuckin funny

[past pivot]

Blizz is always adjusting dungeons.

[clever path]

throne is amazing as a warrior when u miss a spellreflect

[sullen tendon]

just spell reflect it

[clever path]

yeah surely u can sr every single one of them

[restive peak]

Our mage legit just got nuked 1 time, it was lulzy

[clever path]

biz got oneshot

on arms tho but still

[sullen tendon]

thats their fault

[clever path]

?????????

[restive peak]

Ye arms is not the play, he loves it but it sadly just sucks.

[clever path]

u do understand u dont have sr for every single shock right

[sullen tendon]

go into d stance

[clever path]

u cant know if its going on you

and that boss is such a tight dps check

[restive peak]

I think we can establish Bobby doesn't actually do high keys

And just start ignoring the comments now

[sullen tendon]

i do like 25-26s

[clever path]

my guess if u really wanted to play arms

would be to play ignore pain

[restive peak]

Those aren't high keys

[clever path]

and spam it

[past pivot]

Blizz isn't tweaking dungeons for people who do it on 29s. They likely are doing it for those on 15s or even 10s. Fuck those on 29s if it's not MDI

[sullen tendon]

no one is bringing a warrior to 29s bro

[clever path]

i dont even press defensives in 26s

i live with dstance

[restive peak]

Fuck eh I should go ask raiderio to remove my 29s then

[clever path]

warpaint*

not dstance

[restive peak]

I didn't start using dstance til 28/29s, we are tanky as fuckin hell

[clever path]

ye

[sullen tendon]

what changed

[past pivot]

No warrior has been to a 29 this season? Wanna bet a token? Or 2?

[clever path]

fury prob 2nd tankiest melee in the game ngl

right after ret

[restive peak]

Axe mine are a bug, I was never there man.

xD

[clever path]

tankier than ret against dots

[sullen tendon]

im not that obsessed about these topics like you guys

[restive peak]

We're actually tankier than ret

[clever path]

ret cant live smold rings

we live easily

[sullen tendon]

apparently its a grave sin to have an opinion about blue posts

[past pivot]

But you said no warrior is brought. Back up your claim bro

[restive peak]

It's a grave sin to spout shit that isn't true and then pretend noone should call you out on being wrong.

[sullen tendon]

its a generalization

[restive peak]

Maybe don't say shit you made up?

It's not true though.

[sullen tendon]

warriors suck

[past pivot]

It's a falsehood

[sullen tendon]

getover it lol

[restive peak]

Very few people have timed a 29 AT ALL, for the record, and quite a few of us warriors have, up until todays buffs we were in a decent spot, now we're going to be lower.

[ashen socket]

Warrior doesn't suck the people that don't take it into their keys suck

[clever path]

i mean we arent that bad

[restive peak]

But we're still capable of 29s cuz we weren't nerfed, just others were buffed

[clever path]

we live and do good st

and good prio dmg

but we arent rogues

[ashen socket]

only thing warrior sucks at is util and its already covered in really high keys

[clever path]

u lose to vdh

in mass aoe

what areu on about

im all for warrior but thats

sad

[sullen tendon]

ok but why bring a warriorinstead of another dh

[restive peak]

I mean like you'd rather bring a ret now in every scenario, let's not pretend that isn't the new meta

[wary grove]

Warrior is perfectly fine in high keys

[ashen socket]

I mean idc if ur good ur good

[restive peak]

But saying we can't do 29s is a stupid thing to say considering how many of us have 29s timed already.

[ashen socket]

can't help overtuned shit

[clever path]

def the move

crazy survivable + externals + utility + both st and aoe

dmg

[past pivot]

I like that. Make a BS claim. Get called on it. Then tell people to get over it. Lol FOx news personified.

[clever path]

they have everything

[past pivot]

In real news, no Rageheart in my Vault. Very sadge

[restive peak]

Ret is wild now, people pretending otherwise are drunk, however I think rogue/warr are still interchangable

I feel ya Axe, still no 489 augury or leggo 😦

[winged vine]

He never said we can't do 29s

[sullen tendon]

theres like a 100 runs worldwide that a fury warrior has timed a 29

[restive peak]

He literally did

[clever belfry]

rogue is still better damage wise for sure

[winged vine]

Nah

[clever belfry]

Yes.

[restive peak]

There aren't that many 29s done as it is LOL

[clever belfry]

a good sub is just kang

[clever path]

rogue covers everything

[restive peak]

Yeah, rogue still better, but DH/Ret are way above both of us imo

[sullen tendon]

youre acting like every war in the world has done a 29 lol

[clever path]

assa for prio outlaw for sustained sub for mass

[restive peak]

No, I'm not, but we're absolutely verifiably capable.

[clever belfry]

?? he isn't

Ret just brings more to the party than rogue

[sullen tendon]

#fury message

[restive peak]

I don't even have leggo or 489 augury and I've timed several 29s without an aug, so when I say you're wrong for saying it, you are LITERALLY wrong for saying it.

[restive peak]

The prio now for melee will be DH>Ret>Rogue>Warr

[clever path]

dk

[restive peak]

And honestly ret may pass DH, genuinely

Poor DKs man

They truly are down bad this tier lol

[clever path]

frost has been down bad in m+

for

idk how long at this point

[restive peak]

Ye but at least blood and UH were decent, they're just dogwater now

[clever path]

depends on comp i guess

[clever belfry]

where enha

[clever path]

u need someone to sit on dh

for it to live

[sullen tendon]

60 warriors in the wolrd have done a 29

out of how many

200k?

[past pivot]

60 more than you said

[clever belfry]

meh it lives quite well with proper blade dances

[restive peak]

Enha just so rare but they're competitive, just not many good 1s haha

[sullen tendon]

ok stop grasping straws

[restive peak]

Now do every class

[clever belfry]

you're completly missing the point my guy

[restive peak]

You grasped straws when you said "noone is bringing a warrior to a 29" homie

Just admit you're wrong

And let it go

[sullen tendon]

clinging onto a technicality doesnt change the fact that warriors suck lol

[clever path]

idk thats what yoda said he is doing on his prot pala

he needs to external psycho

at times

[sullen tendon]

we have damagebut every other aspect is shit

[restive peak]

This isn't a technicality, you made a statement that was wrong lol

[past pivot]

The fact that 60 warriors have cleared 29s says a lot for a middling class, I say

[sullen tendon]

whatever

[clever path]

ok but yoda increasing warrior popularity with guardian mw 2x rogue warr comp

god comp

[sullen tendon]

i dont care that i generalized warrios being dogshit

[restive peak]

Like talking to a 6 year old

[ashen socket]

Dk down bad but it sure as shit is fun

[clever path]

[clever belfry]

That's normal for any spec that isn't mage or fury

[ashen socket]

it will get buffed

again

[winged vine]

It was a generalization man

[clever path]

ret doesnt need it

[restive peak]

It was wrong

[past pivot]

Are you his mom?

[sullen tendon]

but bro 1 guy in the world did it tho its not ever warrior

[winged vine]

Nah

[restive peak]

1 guy = 60

There are plenty of classes with less than 60 people timing 29s on their spec

[sullen tendon]

you guys are making having a conversation awful

[clever belfry]

Ret will start running into some walls with not having enough buttons avail aswell

[restive peak]

And I'm pissed about where we are after this tuning pass, but we're still not useless

[clever path]

i mean everyone will at some point

i dont see ret hitting a wall until 32s

[sullen tendon]

no room for convo

[restive peak]

Just give us 8 target cap

[clever path]

tho i might be wrong

[clever path]

legit would fix the spec unironically

[restive peak]

Fr

[winged vine]

Are you linccstyle's mom? We can do mom brunch together if you'd like

I'll bring the yoga mats

[sullen tendon]

toxic warriors in game and then get out dpsd by a dh 20 ilvls lower

[restive peak]

I didn't make outlandish statements and throw a fit when called out brotherman, that's the diff here

[clever path]

honestly

2x fire rogue

[past pivot]

No. I'm someone who called his outlandish comments out. Why you defending his lies?

[clever belfry]

so true king

[sullen tendon]

Umm achtually i have NEVER been out dpsd by a dh 🤓 heres my warcraft logs you can clearly see i did top dps in this one run

[sullen dove]

[clever path]

what is blud waffling about

[restive peak]

I'm confused by that last tag

Fr

[clever path]

same

[restive peak]

Not being a dick...what?

[clever path]

on a side note outlaw is fucking fun

having a blast

raidlogging on warr

not pushing next week

cba with incorp sang

[restive peak]

Ye ret is a blaster man

[clever belfry]

[restive peak]

This is blizzards plan to put us in Andajail

We're all augs now

[clever path]

fuck that im going piss smf warrior

[noble elm]

It’s the end for Roidburg

Going prot main

[clever belfry]

so true

[noble elm]

A sad state of affairs

[clever belfry]

but im free

have u not heard

[restive peak]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[clever belfry]

🥦

[ashen socket]

I'm kinda scared to see what ret does dps wise now

[restive peak]

I'm gonna raidlog warr too now, I'll do 1 last little pushy pushy cuz my ego needs to get title as a warr even if I getit as something else

[winged vine]

[restive peak]

Just take it bae

[signal locust]

Once again no lego but at least the HOLY pally got it.

[restive peak]

Big yikes man

[clever path]

ngl

im glad its ret

[restive peak]

I did 2 runs today, 1 w 19 potential users and 1 w 17....we saw 1 leggo across those 36 people

[clever path]

they had like

1 week of fun

this entire expansion

[ashen socket]

[signal locust]

Next week for sure right????

[noble elm]

I changed recount to make demon hunter bars brown

[clever path]

and that was 1 week after 10.0.7

[noble elm]

So I can feel like warrior is meta

[clever belfry]

recount

are u okay

[clever path]

recount

[restive peak]

I deleted details to feel better about myself (I didn't)

[robust widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750855045200740352/1198075430192824451/bongocat.gif

[clever path]

[restive peak]

LOL RECOUNT

[noble elm]

Shhh you’re ruining the joke

[ashen socket]

Change it to bloodbath

and I will be happy

[robust widget]

No

[clever belfry]

silence discount roidstack

[noble elm]

Better relax or I’m breaking out skada

[clever path]

real

[clever belfry]

real

[sinful spoke]

guys

last week i got augury from raid

[clever path]

real

[sinful spoke]

and guess what i just got on vault

[clever path]

leggo?

[sinful spoke]

wheres my signet brand

[clever path]

didnt deserve it

i guess

[sinful spoke]

real and true

[fringe flame]

At this point, are bosses living long enough to get max use from signet?

[clever path]

yes

[restive peak]

Latter bosses yes

[clever path]

i honestly dont understand why are rogues so unpopular

[restive peak]

IDK there's something about it I can't get into

I have 1 at like 480 w thorncallers and shit, it does great dmg...just...meh

[sinful spoke]

they arent

[clever path]

yeah i mean i prefer warrior and always will probably

[summer quail]

they are

[clever path]

they are

they are popular in high keys

and thats it

always have been

aoe blind with blackjack shroud

tanky

they have a solution for everything

just press n and swithc ur spec

all damage profiles covered

[arctic copper]

Probably because they are melee pure DPS. Other melee specs have other role options.

And they have too many buttons it discourages players from learning them all

[clever path]

yeah i'd say they are more complex than the rest of melee specs but still

outlaw is just subterfuge usage

and knowing how to roll

[cosmic lance]

pretty sure they've dumbed down RtB since its inception anyway havent they?

Unless they changed it again

[arctic copper]

I'm guessing complexity is probably the minor reason but the lack of tank or healing option is the main reason