fury

[modest condor]

[hard widget]

Their wings right?

[young swan]

yeah

[nova garnet]

Crit d oes, damage amp doesnt

[young swan]

better than ours

[nova garnet]

The same 80% of the time

[young swan]

dont they have 1 min cds

[hard widget]

This is pure speculation, but since warrior applies the dot so easy compared to other classes isnt this once again an indirect nerf to warrior tho?

[young swan]

yeah kinda

[hard widget]

Added on top of the buffs on other classes

[nova garnet]

I just meant 1/5 uses actually crits lol

[hard widget]

Pushes us down even further

[meager gyro]

so they make the bitch ass on use better, now we just wait until our dmg doesn't change and we'll finally get a buff

[restive peak]

Ret is about to be busted as fuck

It's already r5 in over 30s

Not that there are many, but still

It's clearly strong enough

[snow edge]

I mean.. over 30s is an incredibly small % of the population

Their rank v. others in like 20 - 25 is probably more useful

[restive peak]

The point is that the class is capable

[meager gyro]

oper 26 is still incredibly small % of pop too

[restive peak]

It's the 2nd most played melee over 25

[olive wraith]

More than rogues?

[restive peak]

Yep

[olive wraith]

That surprises me

[snow edge]

They absolutely are capable

[tulip swallow]

utlity gods

[snow edge]

Just that those windows aren't particularly useful benchmarks

[restive peak]

It shouldn't surprise anyone who's ever watched Critcake

Qrva has been absolutely smashing all patch

[olive wraith]

Ye he has just thought rogues would be higher

[restive peak]

Rets just pulled a warlock, sandbagged their asses to a buff they truly didn't need

[olive wraith]

Rogues too squishy or something?

[restive peak]

ST they needed some help, for sure

[young swan]

not even

[restive peak]

Ret brings tankiness and brez, immune etc

[oblique trail]

It's hasted now so surely you can crank lego + 3+ BBs inside of Spear during Lust

[restive peak]

Yeah very minor for ST

But I could see that argument

[young swan]

they just suffer from either/or syndrome

[restive peak]

for AOE? This is busted

[meager gyro]

Qrva getting buffed surley let blizz know warrior need buff

[restive peak]

They're going to smash

[meager void]

I am upset The Revengeance

[meager gyro]

buff aug 🦗

[restive peak]

Buff DH, Humanity says they're dead every nerf so surely he's right

[oblique trail]

My DH hasn't reached 400k overall yet with an Aug so do buff them ty

[young swan]

[dense rivet]

anyone got a guide on how much % I want in each stats?

[oblique trail]

Ignore the fact that it's 476 and has piss trinkets

[restive peak]

When I play my 480 DH

I legit hate the game

Cuz it's so dumb how much dmg it does, so easily, whether you fuck up or not

[snow edge]

Doesn't exist; your stats will be dependent on your individual set-up + gear

[restive peak]

As long as you press your buttons you will crush

[oblique trail]

Oh you popped 3 Immo refunds in a row? Gg you will suddenly do 600k dps without popping any other CDs

[inner zinc]

how much faster is the leggo on use going to be now that its hasted?

[restive peak]

Lmfao

[dense rivet]

any guide one of fury bis?

[restive peak]

"BUT MOVEMENT BRO" rest of us melee strafe that much movement for fun

As if mechanics aren't scripted

[restive peak]

However much haste you have

[snow edge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/bis-gear; but just sim yourself in topgear to determine whether items are an upgrade or not

[oblique trail]

I like Inertia/Momentum as a concept and playstyle

[restive peak]

Same

DH is fun

It just enrages me that it's so much better

[oblique trail]

But not sure if I like it being almost mandatory for you to play DH

[inner zinc]

damn, so the axe effect gonna be fast af during lust n other stuff then

[frosty patrol]

how much haste are we at with lust and enrage roughly while geared

[nova garnet]

Love Banezii

[frosty patrol]

like 100%?

[oblique trail]

It is what it is, eventually Warrior will have its 5 target niche back where we feel like it's justified to be target capped so we'll be considered a meta class

[nimble basin]

Axe is getting tuned again

[oblique trail]

[restive peak]

Surely bro

😛

[nimble basin]

Channel being affected by haste is huge.

[young swan]

no way

[nimble basin]

blue post just hit

[oblique trail]

It's equally as sure as the chance that lego drops next kill

[modest condor]

thanks for letting us know we hadnt seen it yet

[restive peak]

Lmfao

[wanton mirage]

wo wow they just make us feel more bad for not having lego?

[frosty patrol]

"us"

just have it drop

[subtle lagoon]

Never seen a Legendary fumble so hard, they're supposed to be broken but this shit has needed patching and we're what 9 weeks into the patch? And we're allegedly tuned around the stupid thing

[young swan]

i actually have no idea why those patch notes didnt just read "fyralaths rage damage increased by 15%. fyralaths rage channel is hasted"

actually so silly

[tulip swallow]

They can't let warriors be too good

[young swan]

has to be give and take but only for plate classes!

[covert blaze]

I'm just happy it's not 3 seconds anymore idk

[tulip swallow]

Gotta keep us in line

[sudden tusk]

literally all they had to do was buff the active

and call it a day on top of the oblit change

[covert blaze]

or make you move during the channel

that would be the best thing

[sudden tusk]

we arent even close to rogue damage so whats the fucking point to nerfing it

[tulip swallow]

So true man. Every time they nerf someone else's broken shit they get "compensation buffs"

[young swan]

nah haste compression is OP

the dps of the on use went up like 33%

[vocal gyro]

no legendary weapon has been worth anything special since cata at least (i have no idea how good the daggers/staff were back then)

[dry holly]

The purpose of the legendary is to get plate wearers to spend $20-$30 to get an effect that's on par with an epic non-plate weapon's effect.

[tulip swallow]

Still going to get gapped on pull with buffed on use

[young swan]

yeah prob

to be fair

usually when something gets compressed by haste it'll do less damage to compensate that its doing damage over a shorter time

but instead it got buffed

which is pretty nice

[robust widget]

How much "overall damage nerf" is to be expected for M+?

[young swan]

still cringe that they nerfed the dot tho

[hard widget]

Based on my napkin math 0.7%

[mild thunder]

Weird that they nerfed the axe right after big Ret buffs. I didn't think they were struggling.

[worn sierra]

if using rage of fyralath damage on M+ multitargets improves then I guess i'll be okay with the 20% nerf to passive/mark.

[tulip swallow]

The haste thing is mostly just so it doesn't kill you. Losing like 4 globals every 3 minutes isn't the end of the world

[keen forum]

2 minutes

[sudden tusk]

its a buff to ret they cant spread it easily and their cds impact the axe while ours do not

[olive wraith]

It affects us more than others

[tulip swallow]

The on use is split damage so I think it's just bad in m+

[olive wraith]

Considering we gcd locked

[robust widget]

Also reapplying the Marks automatically itself at the end of Channel, bit of QoL

Not that it was difficult for warriors to being with though

[tulip swallow]

By the time it drops for me they're going to change it again anyway

[clever path]

Holy shit were broken

[edgy widget]

Ok, so I ran some extremely rough numbers and equated it out to be about a 0.5% nerf in M+ and maybe 0.1% buff in ST not including the haste changes

that's just based on a couple random logs, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but should be rough enough

[hard widget]

Eyyyy i was pretty close with my 0.7% nerf napking math 😄

[rugged hornet]

napkin math best math

[worn sierra]

only math

[edgy widget]

obviously a place where you can pad the shit out of the mark (BRH comes to mind) will change up those numbers a little bit

[young swan]

I really hope this fyralath fiasco dissuades them from ever putting a random acquisition, class specific, legendary in the game again

[robust widget]

If the haste changes arent included in your test, could that also mean that the 0.5% M+ are less "loss" aswell?

[edgy widget]

as will how often you actually use the axe - most higher end logs right now use it around every 3m, rather than 2m

so if you actually used it closer to every 2m, that would soften the change a bit

[hard widget]

Thats actually pretty realistic tho

[edgy widget]

for now it is

[hard widget]

For an avarage m+ scenario

[edgy widget]

it's obvious the intent is to get people to put more value on actually using it

rather than just ignoring it, which is what many are doing atm

[hard widget]

But you cant just always slam it at 2min straight

[worn sierra]

get rid of the root then people will actually use it more often instinctively 😅

[edgy widget]

I didn't say use it perfectly on cooldown

[hard widget]

Maybe u can shave off 20 sec or 30 at most

[edgy widget]

I said "closer to every 2m"

[stiff maple]

am i dumb, is there any reason they couldn't have just let us move while using it lol

[rugged hornet]

i mean, just have to be smart when using.. who cares about the root

[keen forum]

no they are dumb quite the contrary

[edgy widget]

cause then it's not really something you play around, it's just something you pause your rotation for

[tulip swallow]

they don't want to

[edgy widget]

which, agree or not, they clearly wanted you to think more about when you're using it

[stiff maple]

yea that makes sense

i dont like it but i understand i usppose.

[mild thunder]

I wish the active was a single hit as opposed to a combo, but this change pretty much bridges that gap.

[wind token]

that wouldnt be lore accurate

[young swan]

just let the leggo be effected by class cds

[hard widget]

Just give us gavel instead 😎

[rugged hornet]

not class cds, just our mastery

[young swan]

it wont damage balance i promise

[tulip swallow]

Nothing gets to be affected by class effects anymore

[frosty patrol]

fury ruined it

[rugged hornet]

fucking draught

[clever path]

Draught of souls bbbbb

What a time to be alive

[mild thunder]

Modern Thunderfury would be way cooler. Sometimes I got into Timewalking, pull a bunch of stuff, and put it on spamming WW and lagging people on bad PCs.

[tulip swallow]

it was a sick trinket and we only used it for one tier, I don't see why it was worth changing

[rugged hornet]

whats funny about that is it did just as much on Unholy Dk due to shadow damage. and they nerfed it by like 40 or 50% for them but not warriors.

[young swan]

because we did that with EVERY trinket

it wasnt exclusive to draught

[rugged hornet]

that def got used for 2 tiers

[hard widget]

Can we just already end this season, i wanna play s1 arms again

[young swan]

fury was undoubtedly the reason that change happened tho

[young swan]

just 1

draught got fucking gutted going into tomb

[clever path]

If reck worked how it did in legion id be s2 gang

[tulip swallow]

You dropped it in tomb, yeah

[rose bay]

rip draught hellow new overlord hourglass with socket

[rugged hornet]

thought that nerfed happend like halfway though Tomb

[sudden tusk]

god forbid the class with no utility does damage

[tulip swallow]

Bfa reck rework was shit, yeah

[young swan]

dont think so

[mild thunder]

Draught nerfed happened before Tomb.

[young swan]

we picked up moonglaives pretty quick

[rose bay]

i never got one 2 drop

;c

[tulip swallow]

We were going to outscale it even if they didn't nerf it

nerf just made us drop it right away

[mild thunder]

Bursting 2m DPS on pull and ripping aggro on every other pull and die kinda sucked.

[rugged hornet]

when was 7.2.5?

[edgy widget]

potentially, the real issue with Draught was that it led to similar nerfs to future trinkets - moonglaives got the same nerf Draught did, as did Khazgoroth, and virtually every other direct damage trinket in the game

[young swan]

throwback to the khazgoroth trinket having like 200k tooltip damage and critting for like 1.4mil

[tulip swallow]

Odyn's fury would pull aggro in keys anyway

[rugged hornet]

well whenever 7.2.5 was that is when draught got nerfed by 40% for warriors

[young swan]

i feel like item damage being effected by cd's would be pretty okay now with how toned down cds have been since legion

[sudden tusk]

i liked pre hotfix augery

on some pulls it did like 12%

[young swan]

legion cds were funky

[sudden tusk]

randomly

[tulip swallow]

I'm less upset about the change now since there are less classes that just cheat the system

[rugged hornet]

i mean spiked counterweight can do the same on my blood dk some boss pulls in raid

and it did get a decent buff recently

[tulip swallow]

It still feels bad that leather classes get like 5% free crit on our shared trinkets, but at least faeline stomp and the sub rogue thing don't work on trinkets anymore

[edgy widget]

it was right before tomb, but again everything got nerfed for Warriors like that, moonglavies included

Draught was the catalyst for Blizz to start adding spec-modifiers to trinkets, which continued for the rest of the expansion

[rose bay]

uuurgh 6 nerfs in one day

[plucky wedge]

Do you have the leggo arch?

[rose bay]

iirc

Tier, legendary gloves and hat, tier again trinket, tier one last itme cause fuck u

[young swan]

@edgy widget remember when they fucked cof if you had t21 equipped (or vice versa) the night before the patch came out

[edgy widget]

oh yeah

[young swan]

i still remember your forum post LOL

[edgy widget]

Yeah, well it worked didn't it? 🤣

[young swan]

it did indeed!

[dapper goblet]

xan talking about cof

[young swan]

oh my god here we go

[dapper goblet]

you cannot defend what you said

[young swan]

to be very clear

[dapper goblet]

here we go

[young swan]

i do not like UF

[tulip swallow]

cof was just the anger management before we had anger management

[young swan]

not AM

am is cool

[dapper goblet]

cope

[young swan]

cdr feast or famine feedback loops with UF are not cool

[dapper goblet]

500 dps swing..

curious..

[young swan]

yeah u tell.me how that changes pull to pull and then we can talk about the variance over 10000 iterations

[dapper goblet]

curious...

[tulip swallow]

It's one of the very few procs that isn't rppm based

which could be bad or could be good idk

[young swan]

i will be playing monk

the issue with UF and AM is that the chance to proc is just high enough to never feel great when it does proc but to feel awful when it doesnt

and that issue exists exclusively with AM

[rose bay]

can they just stop remaking evil eye of galakras just give us the cd they want it to eb rather then ohoooo will it be really good or will it be really bad

[edgy widget]

🤔

FWIW Evil Eye of Galakras was static CDR, not variable

[rose bay]

just give reck a 30 second cd rather then roll the dice and hope its 30 seconds

[frosty patrol]

eye was fun

but back then it was fairly unique for a trinket

[rose bay]

Sorry bommer momenty think i got angry first then started thinking after

[edgy widget]

I get what you mean, variable CDR is frustrating sometimes

[rose bay]

sorry yeah, u put it much better then i did

[dapper goblet]

idk i never had an issue with UF in abberus

if it proc'd it proc'd

[balmy shore]

hello are tindral parses cringe now bc some ppl go up and some ppl don’t because that makes me upset

[dapper goblet]

never made it really feel any different

@balmy shore yes

enjoy the pain

gl trying to get that fight removed from allstars

[balmy shore]

i was confused why i was green

made me very sad

[dapper goblet]

wcl discord wont budge

[balmy shore]

whaaat

really?

hmm

[edgy widget]

WCL should partition parses again after tomorrow

[dapper goblet]

idk maybe they will

tried to get nelth adds removed or capped

impossible challenge

[balmy shore]

i think they should take out all star

also hard to tell if i’m doing something right or not

bc everyone at the top doesn’t go up

fml

[olive wraith]

They should buff fury

[balmy shore]

ok

[young swan]

yeah that fight would be a nightmare to gauge performance on now

[balmy shore]

yeah :/

[young swan]

~275k - 300k on details is always what I was looking for

[balmy shore]

i thought i was doing decently but checking our 2% and its just straight green

[young swan]

wouldnt worry about ur parse on that fight anymore

[balmy shore]

i think details is worse to tell tho just depends on who hits the roots first

yea tru

[young swan]

just worry about performance relative to the group

[balmy shore]

🤙 towards bottom for boss damage

[median token]

only worry about what matters the most, who flies faster

[clever path]

They nerfed dot on lege

[edgy widget]

honestly this lmao

first bomb - 10 mil damage
third bomb - 5 mil

[balmy shore]

if u accidentally lag out flying up gl on the meters

[edgy widget]

just don't collect your flare and let the raid wipe

[sudden tusk]

i have to go full gajeel mode

and not fly

[edgy widget]

if I lose, we all lose!

[sudden tusk]

to parse tendril

[balmy shore]

to parse tindral u need to mind control ur raid lead not to have you on bomb duty

[sudden tusk]

once we rekill i will

[balmy shore]

idt my mind control is that strong 😔

[edgy widget]

arguably if you have enough melee, Warriors are a good class to leave down, since we have natural CDs for basically every bomb set

[balmy shore]

was told that the ones they took off weren’t as trustworthy i should’ve just inted in the beginning

[balmy shore]

yea true

[edgy widget]

just convince your ferals to fly!

[oblique trail]

I'm forced to fly because I'm one of the more trusted mechanical players

Can't tell if I should see it as a compliment or not

[clever path]

A sacrifice

[keen forum]

its bc you're a warrior and they know they aren't losing much

[summer quail]

Gonna get forced to fly for the same reason. Don't know why im trusted. Im an idiot

[keen forum]

they took me off the bomb when they nerfed the fight and had 1 less. of the 4 ppl in my fly group i was doing the most ST otherwise so they made me stay. I told them it's probably smarter to redo the groups completely and ground the two rogues in the second fly group full time. they were like...meh

flying is actually kinda fun tho

[oblique trail]

I don't mind flying at all

It makes the prog less mindnumbing

And I just vibe

[balmy shore]

the last one in p3 is so scary tho

i’m stressed

every time

[dull sierra]

are you group 1 or 2

[balmy shore]

group 2

[dull sierra]

yea in p3 you have to deal with beams

not fun

[balmy shore]

aerial halt 🤝

[warm crag]

Simply kill the boss on a pull where the beams are super chill

I dont know where the issue is ???

[warm crag]

Are we even compatible with g1 assignments

[oblique trail]

This is what I'm looking forward to

And be the cause of a wipe

[balmy shore]

yeah i did that :/

feels so bad

especially since it’s at the end

[oblique trail]

I've already air drifted into beams 3 or 4 times in P1

[wild mural]

I love having a broken back

And not being able to get out of bed without help

[warm crag]

Have you tried getting well soon big man

[wild mural]

Yes

It happened yesterday :/

[dull sierra]

fuck knows

maybe

[warm crag]

Well wishes big man hope you will recover quickly to own noobers with smf

[oblique trail]

I don't actually know how timings line up but p2 felt a bit awkward being in g1

[sudden tusk]

i hate simming

i hate stats

[oblique trail]

Do 1 top gear sim and equip the items the nforget about it till reset

[warm crag]

Do 28 gem sims and change them every 5 Minutes based on the rng result your new sim provides at a gold cost of 25k gold per hour

[clever path]

Guy on wowhead speaks relatable shit

[unreal onyx]

Leggo cost you nothing if you farm

[clever path]

I don’t think an average lfr player has access to farm tbf

Like he probs doesn’t know what it even means

[unreal onyx]

Thats a bit of a stretch imo

[clever path]

How does a dude who just plays lfr earns his gold anyway

What gold making ways are out there

[unreal onyx]

World quests I guess

Or professions

[summer quail]

Honestly i think the average lfr player has a decent amount of gold

[oblique trail]

Probably richer than my 200k gold having ass

[clever path]

I doubt that

I don’t think they’d buy tokens just for sake of getting gold

[summer quail]

Exactly. One of the socials in my guild has several millions. Man just quests all day

[clever path]

lol

[unreal onyx]

I think a lot of casuals know what content there is they can do, but choose not to do it bc they cba

[clever path]

I mean

[clever path]

Fair and kinda cool ngl

[unreal onyx]

You can also farm tmog boe‘s as a casual and make gold

[clever path]

I tried it and no one ever bought that tmog , but hey it’s an option . There are at least 3 YouTubers right now making bait thumbnails for their videos as we speak

“YOU WILL NOT BELIVE THIS GOLD MINE WORKS 99%”

[frosty patrol]

tmog is kinda dead outside of very specific items

everyone who wants the items bought them already

very little new players to wow that can afford them

[sinful spoke]

Thats a lie lol

[coarse adder]

How many hours/days are guilds pushing 7-8/9 mythic right now typically raiding per week

[oblique trail]

Anywhere from 2 days with 3 hours per day, to 4-5 days same hours per day

There are also a lot of currently CE guilds that are CE, simply because they just raid a whole lot, while other guilds are similar rank with way less raid time but are better

[south kayak]

Guys

You remember grip leap

What was the issue with that? I remember something

But I forgot

[coarse adder]

4/9 nymue like 40% nymue decent for 2 days a week 3 hours with like 6-8 raid days missed over the holidays with people being gone? Im having fun lol and think we finally have a consistent roster and subs for the most part. The exact 20 raiders thing certainly makes it harder though.

[oblique trail]

It's fine depending on how serious people are and how much they care

[coarse adder]

was also 2 undergeared trials last week some obviously dont as much but the core does

[oblique trail]

But yes being 4/9 with 6-8 missed raid days isn't necessarily bad

[coarse adder]

I think we are in a good spot for what we do was just curious

6-8 missed raid days just between thanks giving and newyears

We back on it though lol hoping we get CE this expansion and are ready to push hard at the start of the next xpac

Idk if people have it in them for the wipes on tindral and fyrakk though ha

[molten relic]

Did they really need to nerf the dot to make the on use hasted lol

It’s not like making the on use better suddenly puts all 2h str at the top

[clever path]

It’s better ST now

[olive wraith]

This is all in preparation for the surprise giga buffs they announce during reset tomorrow

[clever path]

So hold up , every melee dps got a buff except fury and lege got nerfed

It’s a hidden sign that even with legendary we are not saved

[worn sierra]

you may wanna read up 😂 (I meant the chat that happened about this)

[south kayak]

Hidden

[edgy widget]

idk how big of a change it was for any other class tbh

[clever path]

Scrolling is boring

[edgy widget]

Though I have to assume that the appplication changes are good for at least DKs

[south kayak]

Honestly this is such a shitty tuning for the leggo

The on use should have been buffed by a lot more than it did

[junior gale]

the change for frost dk was required and its pretty insane it took this long. To my understanding Frost had no way to apply the marks very well because for whatever reason obliteration cleaves were not spreading it. So their only option was Frostsythe which has been a terrible abillity all expansion

[south kayak]

The cleave only hits 3 targets

What about the other 6 in the pack?

[edgy widget]

yeah that was basically the feedback I gave, in nicer terms

[south kayak]

They should just make Howling Blast apply

[edgy widget]

the overall change in both st and aoe is so minor it's kind of a who cares overall

[south kayak]

It

Easy fix

[edgy widget]

but if they're gonna make the change, they might as well make it something people can be happy about

[south kayak]

My post wasn’t nice?

[junior gale]

No clue I only heard a lil bit about this from DK friend when I asked him about the lego change

[weary sedge]

hi non-leggo player here, Can we apply the dot through meat cleaver or?

[oblique trail]

WW itself applies it

[weary sedge]

oh thats hot

no wonder i can't keep up parsewise on aoe fights anymore

[edgy widget]

yes, but as stated WW also applies it in the first place

[weary sedge]

Was just curious for when i get that leggo next xpac, yknow?

[south kayak]

Same

[weary sedge]

also why did they change AM just for PvP? Did anyone else find it strange?

[edgy widget]

because it's a generally underused talent, and probably still will be, but it doesn't take a lot to get people to start looking for new strategies

[olive wraith]

Ravager is ass in pvp

You might have a use for it in bgs but in arena it’s so easy to get away from

[hard widget]

I think if combined with hurricane it can definitely make for some cheeky one shots

[olive wraith]

You don’t have enough burst for one shots

[dense elbow]

Fury PvP oneshots?

[edgy widget]

there's also more to PvP than just arena btw

[hard widget]

With deathwish

And hurricane

Perhaps

[eternal sundial]

Ra is just more dam

[weary sedge]

wasn't furies last true one shot when Dragons Roar was purely instant damage? 🤔

[dense elbow]

And potion, with buffs, and debuffs

[eternal sundial]

You cant really rava in pvp so am kinda deadge

[olive wraith]

Even then. No ability is one shot potential

[hard widget]

Idunno just speculating

Havent pvped this season

[olive wraith]

Bgs you can probably get a few ticks of ravager to hit

But it’s just too slow

[edgy widget]

get big build up fights, you'd be surprised how many people can get stuck in it

[weary sedge]

i haven't PvP'ed since DH's came out, killed my enjoyment of playing melee from trying to pvp in legion.

[eternal sundial]

In palumor's vid fury killed him rogue in essentially 2 gcds at max slaughterhouse stacks so that's not bad

[edgy widget]

and I'm not saying it's amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but again - the point wasn't to buff Fury Warriors, it was just to buff an underutilized talent build

why does SMF exist if it's not best? Because someone out there wants to use it anyway

[weary sedge]

just thought it was a weird choice to make it a pvp change? Especially if they don't update the tooltip to reflect that in some way.

[oblique trail]

SMF exists to increase engagement in class Discords

[meager gyro]

it exists to exist

[weary sedge]

I love SMF but with it having to be talented its just sadge. Only reason I miss SL was because I prefer SMF

[south kayak]

Make smf transmogs only

[edgy widget]

it might update in PvP combat - some tooltips do

[sudden tusk]

dont worry they are gonna add Shalamayne as a legendary just for SMF

[weary sedge]

i hope so

[eternal sundial]

5 sec am in pve would be a questionable way to buff the "new" s4 set

Making downtime ever harsher

[meager gyro]

this tier I find it much more enjoyable than TG-which needs much more filler play than SMF

[edgy widget]

yeah right, gonna be the next priest legendary

[eternal sundial]

So you dont have the lego

[sudden tusk]

new hero class

inquisitor

[weary sedge]

whats the % diff in dps w/out leggo? 👀

[sudden tusk]

priest /war

[meager gyro]

Idk I feel pretty legendary

[oblique trail]

Roughly 4-5% compared to a 489 weapon in ST

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

Idk about SMF but markedly bigger

[weary sedge]

h. I can't give up 5%

[eternal sundial]

5% plus funny on use and it being insane in keys

[meager gyro]

you can't afford to give up 1% with your logs

[eternal sundial]

It's generally just flat out 12-26k overall dps

[weary sedge]

you don't know my logs D:

[eternal sundial]

26 was eb tho kinda padded

Love on use into damage amps

[meager gyro]

I don't mean "your logs" I mean logs in general sry ❤️

[hard widget]

xd

[weary sedge]

my logs are gonna be mega dog next season cause i don't run the game at 120 fps to press buttons 2 times every second so RIP. This season I'm doing good tho so yay

[weary sedge]

its okay ❤️ i'm trash and I know it

[meager gyro]

^ you can be our trash

[oblique trail]

If only fps was a measurement of your performance you'd see people with CS equivalent settings

[edgy widget]

with SMF talented, which is only ~1% loss over Massacre, it's about 6%

[oblique trail]

But also like 99% of people would have doggie dookie dps because of how badly optimised the game is

[weary sedge]

All i know is that when my frames drop to 20 fps during Time Warp I can't hit every GCD like some machines out there

[edgy widget]

if you had a M Gholak, that gap would obviously be much smaller, but that's even less accessible than the legendary

although even H Gholak in the OH would be worth, I figured cutting out both legendary and gholak was more fair

[edgy widget]

lust shouldn't really cause your FPS to go down, that's odd

[sinful spoke]

Gholak and the sword from rise

Or the axe from wcm

[oblique trail]

I've boosted with people who had their game borderline crash during lust because of having 3 unholy DKs in the group

[hard widget]

Maybe turn down particle density, especially with mages etc during lust can be challenging

[eternal sundial]

Particles on 20 people if they have settings set up wrong

[weary sedge]

It even happens when I'm on pure minimal so its not a hardware issue

[hard widget]

Or the other one, i always mix em up

[eternal sundial]

Nymue was fucky before i changed my gpu

Now everything is clean

[olive wraith]

Wm 1h has no secondary stats

[weary sedge]

also its also Nymue that its the most abhorrent one

[sinful spoke]

Maybe they need a new pc

[oblique trail]

Yeah well maybe

People have performance issues with wow regardless of their pc

[weary sedge]

i've just been progging mythic Nymue and every time lust is popped i feel my frames dying

[sinful spoke]

I dont believe u

Show me proof

[south kayak]

Nymue is such a shitty boss for fps

the amount of floor stuff is hilarious

[young swan]

wow is pretty notorious for its shit optimization

[north geyser]

how exactly does the superbloom event work for the leggo quest? from what I understand it's like this right:

1. make party
2. enter superbloom
3. give my friends the item
4. they get a mini quest
5. after they finish they give me their item
6. I get more points?

can you just get 5 warriors and we all buff each other's loot? also is it permanent or do I have to do it each time?

[young swan]

if you arent privy to that you havent been playing long enough or u just build a spaceship every year

[young swan]

pretty much this, whoever buffs you has to be in the party when u complete each stage in order to get the bonus leaves

[oblique trail]

I got a 3070 and 5600x, and most of the time it's fairly smooth for me but there have been times where the performance was just not it

[meager gyro]

it's so bad

[young swan]

running basically the same and yeah its usually fine

and then sometimes its just

not

[olive wraith]

Matches smf

[sinful spoke]

Did archi come up with math on the lego changes

[oblique trail]

Tindie with plater and damage numbers turned on during roots + fire beams

[sinful spoke]

I saw just now

[young swan]

check pins

[sinful spoke]

Bro u ironically

That shit is aids

I did ty.xan

[oblique trail]

I haven't turned off plater, but I changed my nsct to only include select things

Helped a lot with performance

[sinful spoke]

I have a wa that hides the hp for the roots

[young swan]

yeah p1 is a shit show

[edgy widget]

Pins

[young swan]

rest of the fight is okay

[oblique trail]

Especially when Augury procced on 20 roots xd

Popping WW with Augury seeing 80 small damage numbers appear

Easiest way to destroy your FPS for a second

[north geyser]

is it one time use? or can I just conscript my guild to do it after raid and get 20x buff?

[young swan]

u can have multiple yeah

idk if theres a cap

superblooms are pretty quick anyways

[oblique trail]

Keep in mind though a person can only do the quest once

[young swan]

rares take the longest

that is correct

[eternal sundial]

Nah

They arent hard time gated

[covert blaze]

you can farm the rare plant on an emerald frenzy like 4 times per frenzy, killing mobs will make it respawn

you can tether it every time

[wanton tree]

just noticed that in the PvP section of the latest hotfix notes there's this: "Anger Management now reduces Recklessness and Ravager’s cooldown by 1 second per 15 rage spent (was 20 rage)."... doesn't say anything about "in PvP" like all the other things there

[oblique trail]

It's for pvp only

It doesn't need to say "Only applies to PvP" when it's specifically in the pvp section

[covert blaze]

you wouldn't play AM in pve after that buff anyway

[wanton tree]

it seemed unusual to me to change the behavior of a talent for PvP like that, but I don't know

[eternal sundial]

Not unusal

[wanton tree]

obviously you still wouldn't play it with the current set

[eternal sundial]

PVP has a TON of random hidden modifiers

[covert blaze]

pretty common for pvp to have modifiers like that

chaos bolt

[wanton tree]

I thought it was mostly modifiers to damage %s

[north geyser]

so if I get my whole guild to do it for 20x buff will the buff stay? so I can just do superbloom on my own whenever I want?

[coarse adder]

they need to do the same for m+ now

tired of raids being affected by m+ shit and vice versa

[young swan]

no they need to be in the party everytime you do a superbloom

thats what ive heard anyways

[clever path]

You literally are clueless

becuase everything is balanced around raids

not m+

[covert blaze]

[coarse adder]

tell that to holy paladins last season lol

[clever path]

Not only holy paladins got blasted to the ground, AoE healing overall got screwed with

[coarse adder]

and you also failed to read the and vice versa part

tired of raids affecting m+ as well

no reason they cant be balanced seperately if pvp is

[clever path]

Thats because pvp people cried hard to segment the game

[coarse adder]

I mean i would prefer everything to be the same but if one aspect is going to be different then you might as well make all aspects

playstyle for m+ pvp and raid is also massively different and many people do 1 or 2 but not all 3

and many people just do 1

[wanton mirage]

Even in raid there are bads and goods for each boss. Do you want to seperate them too?

Diff modifier for each boss

[coarse adder]

i mean is that not basically what the top guilds are doing when they bring a different comp to each boss

[woeful birch]

They nerfed leggy so that bizentein and critcake wont get mad every wednesday till next expansion

[wanton mirage]

@mossy fox

[coarse adder]

they nerfed it because paladins can use it and blizzard cant ever let paladins have fun

[clever path]

Paladins have fun because they get their game time worth

invited to pugs

while warriors suck a lemon and new trend is to show off decline counter

[woeful birch]

So cant Warriors. Shit class with leggy ist still a shit class

[coarse adder]

I love bringing warriors personally lol the stuns/kicks etc are prettty sexy

[red berry]

the 20% dot nerf is

so weird to me

even if i understand why

[meager gyro]

it's hasted

[coarse adder]

I tink the haste buff will end up being more then people think

0 real clue though

[wanton mirage]

There is already rough sim

Look at pin

[woeful birch]

I bet 2,5 sec without lust

[coarse adder]

what pin

[clever path]

Oh yeah baby, nothing tickles my balls then a shockkwave stun for 2 sec

makes me sweat

[serene moat]

Wtf?

[coarse adder]

calm down lol

[coarse adder]

stormbolt shockwave and 3-4 kicks a minute is pretty sexy

commanding shout is sexy

battleshout is sexy for the right group comps

Idk 1 more little piece of utility and warriors are there

or they can just do the right thing... and make a new shout that is equivelant to lust

[young swan]

rally is pretty rough in the mythical mode plus

[oblique trail]

If only it had 100% effectiveness increase in M+

[coarse adder]

No reason a warrior shout doesnt make sense as a lust

[young swan]

u have pretty much the exact same thing available from augies

except they have 2 charges and on a 2min cd

[serene moat]

Guess ret could need some buffs, they don't bring anything this tier.

[young swan]

very balanced

[eternal sundial]

Despairgi

[young swan]

it'll be 2s at 50% haste

[clever path]

look, these are the cooldowns

1 minute

and you are banging

[eternal sundial]

Ngl bro

[coarse adder]

ret is fun in m+ lol finally gave up on holy im pushing ret

[clever path]

my man

good choice

warrior is dead kappa

[north edge]

You forgot Devine shield

[clever path]

[coarse adder]

holy takes so much effort to push

[north edge]

Literally fuck up and get outta jail free

[coarse adder]

warrior is fun to

i honestly love playing warrior even if its not the best

just a fun class

[north edge]

The amount of time I failed a mechanic and I’m just like

Allg I’ll bubble this

[clever path]

You know, I love warrior - but its like loving that hoe that keeps on chatting with Jerome

[eternal sundial]

@young swan trinket check

[cosmic lance]

Bruh why did my heroic augury do 3.8% overall in a 26 BRH

[young swan]

id like warrior a lot more if it changed at all in the last 6 years

[young swan]

augurus acquired

[meager gyro]

seems low yeah

[eternal sundial]

Bbbut meatcleaver...

[coarse adder]

nah cause id just shoot jerome burn her and keep playing fury while i sit on them

[eternal sundial]

Inshallah

[young swan]

🤓

[oblique trail]

me tomorrow + orange weapon

[north edge]

They could uncap whirlwind

[cosmic lance]

Lowest i've ever seen it

[oblique trail]

avoid leech speed augury from vault triple tertiary

[north edge]

And we’d still not be bright to m+

[cosmic lance]

Did less than my autos

[eternal sundial]

Bonzi i will loot augurus or the good ring right

[clever path]

I ll just create macros for paladin with all warrior abilities icons

[coarse adder]

idk lol regardless warrior is fun to play

[south kayak]

surely

[serene moat]

Maybe they'd change some, if archi wouldn't say, fury is fine each tier.

[eternal sundial]

It is?

It hits everything

[north edge]

The 4 stacks

Of hits after

[young swan]

we wont be changing ever because warrior guy is terrified of innovation

[oblique trail]

If you believe enough it'll probably happen eventually

[coarse adder]

ret paladin is less fun to play i think for melee dps but especially after tomorrow better

[north edge]

Imagine if it cleaved to unlimited targets

[eternal sundial]

That's improved whirlwind ☝️ 🤓

[north edge]

We might be as good as rogues

[eternal sundial]

[young swan]

yeah then the cleave would have to be capped at like 25% damage

[eternal sundial]

I believe bonzi

[serene moat]

Yes, doing almost 0 DMG on everything. 😜 At least apply fyr'alath dot.

[young swan]

gg

[clever path]

shit boys, whirlwind does damage

[eternal sundial]

Hekili

Aintnoway

[young swan]

we do literally 0 damage all the time except when theres 11019838 targets

[oblique trail]

If I don't get aug or weapon tomorrow then I wont believe anymore in my warrior

[south kayak]

is 15 wyrm crests

[clever path]

I was trying shaman

Because its made by enh

[eternal sundial]

Dh rising?

[oblique trail]

It's like 477 atm

[serene moat]

If only they were melee dps.

[coarse adder]

Multiple alts is fun

[serene moat]

25 yards melee inc

[oblique trail]

They are if you can be bothered to actually level the alts

Which I can't

[coarse adder]

lol a huge part of ret paladin is being in range to auto attack

[clever path]

yea

[young swan]

8 yard range

[clever path]

Oh yeah

Paladins have anni build too

[young swan]

no crying

[north edge]

Bro atm tank does giga pull I pop cds, numbers flying all over the screen, I’m feeling good , I check details

[eternal sundial]

One augurus and 489 timestrik glaive in vault

Into loot branch

[oblique trail]

fuck branch

I get ashes and don't play branch

[coarse adder]

tanks are absolutely stupid atm

[eternal sundial]

Or Ashes then

Yepp

[coarse adder]

tanks worth 3 of any other people in raid or m+\

[oblique trail]

I don't have branch yet but I'm not gonna play around that cringe trinket

[coarse adder]

didnt a group just time like a 28 with 5 tanks

[north edge]

Dh 1.4 mil dps BM hunter 1.2m dps , I’m doing 600k and the VDH is doing 700k

[coarse adder]

5 tanks the new meta

[north edge]

And the vdh goes , why we bring a warrior?

[meager gyro]

5 real on hood

[clever path]

I mean here, look at @meager gyro - he rerolled to SMF warrior

with daggers no less

[meager gyro]

warrior a lil dick sucking hobo atm, need big big buff

[north edge]

Which 5 tanks?

Just VDHs?

[coarse adder]

think it was 4 dh and a prot paladin

[eternal sundial]

Nome Moment

[clever path]

I was watching critcake the other day to get inspired, but he was playing arms on everbloom

[north edge]

Critcake is paying qrva for a boost

[clever path]

everybody knows that qrva is just carrying because he has legendary

[north edge]

He’s doing about as much damage compared to qrva as the boostees in my keys

[clever path]

right?

[clever path]

your boostees play?

mine just afk because they are 134 ilvl

[north edge]

Like the unpaid boostees from my guild

[cosmic lance]

outlaw rogue gapped me by 50k in brh 😦

[clever path]

shocker

[cosmic lance]

Expected but still feels bad

[north edge]

I got gapped by a dh by 90k on AD the other tray

Day

[meager gyro]

if we all stop playing warrior for 2 weeks, maybe blizz notice

[north edge]

I thanked everyone for carrying me through a 26

[cosmic lance]

Still a +2 and i was only just under 400k overall, but rogue was almost at 450 lol

[clever path]

no way bro, some have already been pushing 26s on warriors and 28s and whatever

too much progress lost

even though reality creeps in daily

[north edge]

Anyone pushing 28s on their warrior

Is literally holding their team back

[eternal sundial]

@ critcake

[meager gyro]

^ critcake crying

[eternal sundial]

[clever path]

Hey but what do we know

[north edge]

If I wasn’t the leader for my keys

[clever path]

we aint rank 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

[north edge]

I’d decline myself

[cosmic lance]

I don't even have axe so i get invited behind other warriors lmao

[north edge]

Bro it doesn’t get better

I have 2 warriors with axes I still feel miserable

I’m a ret main next week

Praying axe drops on ret

[cosmic lance]

I go back to work in 2 days and i dont touch the game for 3 weeks while im away so its fine

I'll forget it even exists

[meager gyro]

turbo fucking dumbasses won't invite me to a damn 18 WM so I can log out for night

[upbeat blade]

forgetting about it is probably better than getting it

[north edge]

The ret in my guild is already barely behind me in ST with his axe

[clever path]

tommorow tho

[north edge]

And gaps me in air

[clever path]

ST got buffed for rets

[north edge]

Aoe

[coarse adder]

both got buffed

[frail trout]

warrior is getting real outdated but probably no rework in sight

[cosmic lance]

But we get mountain thane!

[north edge]

Yeah so tomorrow I’m gonna get beaten in ST, and giga gapped in aoe

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/atlas-emote-paladins-gif-21350857

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-warcraft-for-the-alliance-warcraft-alliance-alliance-dance-gif-25197556

[frail trout]

I'd be really interested to see a poll sent out to guilds about warrior, cuz in my guild I seem to be the only person willing to play warrior every other season to make sure we have the raid buff

nobody wants this shit lmao

[coarse adder]

my prediction for single target dps increase for ret paladins is approx 12-15%

aoe even more

[cosmic lance]

Honestly I think it plays fine, you feel like you're pumping as long as you dont look at meters

[clever path]

@restive peak agrees that ret is going to fuck

[coarse adder]

like 14-16/17

[cosmic lance]

It's already been mathed out to be like 5-6%?

Or there abouts

[coarse adder]

lol ive felt like that as a warrior a few times in the last week or 2

[frail trout]

ret did need the single target help, but it was already outstanding at aoe

it didn't need any % there at all

arms needed more ST help than ret probably

[eternal sundial]

Go ret discord kthx

[frail trout]

because of their similar talent situation

[north edge]

It was 5% ST and 6%Aoe or something

For ret buffs

Which is still giga big

[young swan]

6% aoe after 20% wake buff seems small

[frail trout]

no divine storm buff

[north edge]

You can only wake every 30 sec

[frail trout]

they spam that shit like mad

[frail trout]

I wish

[clever path]

it does helluva lot of dps

uncapped

UN CAPPED

[north edge]

It’s uncapped?

[clever path]

yep

[north edge]

Dafuq

[spiral oasis]

Soft capped

Unless they changed it

[north edge]

I thought it was 5

[spiral oasis]

Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets

[north edge]

And reduced damage after

Is the reduced damage like 10%

Or more like 80%

[clever path]

it sure doesnt fkin feel like this

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

judge 24/7

[raw knoll]

"reduced beyond x targets" is always square root scaling

[spiral oasis]

Are these fyr alath changes a joke btw

[frail trout]

feels like the damage % contributed by improved whirlwind should be really easy to tune up when you look at things like outlaw rogue

but they don't wanna touch it for some reason

[full spoke]

I'm only at the 22-23 key range and I'm hard considering using that 70 boost from xpac pre order on Ret. It takes an hour+ to get an invite.

[north edge]

Explain like I’m 5

[raw knoll]

Will do increased damage at reduced value per target added until 20 targets in which case it'll just do a total amount of damage split between targets

[north edge]

At 25/26 I get 1 invite to every 80 groups I apply to on average

[north edge]

So it’ll do like 90% of its normal damage to the 10th target?

[cosmic lance]

All "reduced damage beyond X" follow that more or less

No thats how much damage to each target

[full spoke]

That doesn't make me feel any better! I'm praying something happens for wars in season 4. Part of me thinks I should just start something else now..

[frail trout]

if your legit a key pusher mans and thats your favorite pastime but you don't have your own set group of people to key with, honestly just use your boost lol play DH or ret or something

[spiral oasis]

How is every class that can use the axe so shit and they still choose to nerf the part of it that does damage

[north edge]

Oh right

[spiral oasis]

Now we have to use the garbage ass ability

[raw knoll]

At 10 targets each target is taking 70.71% of the target that would have hit up to 5 targets. Still a substantial increase in damage than fighting 5 targets though.

[north edge]

Feels awful to press

Do animation for 3 seconds and see like 400k damage pop out

[frosty lagoon]

Hey guys, is there a „best timing“ to use the legy on use?

[frail trout]

well it's not going to take 3 seconds anymore

it's going to be, what now

1.2 seconds?

[north edge]

When you colluldbt just BT’d for 400k

[frail trout]

1.4?

[spiral oasis]

I don't even want the fucking thing anymore

[cosmic lance]

Probably around 2 if you're enraged

[north edge]

Does our enrage haste apply

[frail trout]

yes

[full spoke]

I can't stand the leather melee classes. Warrior is all I like to play but it's patch after patch with no changes. Then next season we get old tier back.. can't even bring shockwave

[spiral oasis]

Just give me augury and I'll craft my damn weapon

[frail trout]

there's no way, most people should be over 50% haste while enraged

[weary sedge]

Augury makes me mad to use ngl. It feels like if it doesn't pop during our burst window it loses so much value

[frail trout]

and the sims usually push the haste enchant on weapons also

so possibly even lower

[oblique trail]

That's not how hasted channels work

100% haste does not make the cast instant almost

[clever path]

true

my life rly

[cosmic lance]

50% haste does not halve the cast time

[north edge]

100% haste halves it?

[cosmic lance]

100% would

[spiral oasis]

Yar

[cosmic lance]

50% would make it a 2s cast

So in the ballpark of 2s

[north edge]

So stilll awful

[spiral oasis]

100% faster cast time means twice as fast

[north edge]

Fucking hell

[spiral oasis]

Badic math

Badic

[cosmic lance]

Because that's not how you're meant to interpret it

[spiral oasis]

Awesome

[north edge]

Maybe we need to track it now and send it during the wafting procs

[weary sedge]

Warriors doing math. Wack.

[eternal sundial]

If you die to lego ur dumb

[cosmic lance]

100% haste is 100% more casts per given timeframe

[flat sapphire]

Does our enraged reset if we switch target

[oblique trail]

No

[eternal sundial]

Simply look into the future for 3 seconds

[north edge]

Some bosses it’s legit unusable

[eternal sundial]

Wrong

[oblique trail]

The only thing you lose by swapping target is if you rampage a new target, where you lose Frenzy

[north edge]

Like vorkaal

[summer quail]

no but if you rampage a different target your frenzy will reset

[eternal sundial]

Run ahead of boss and rip it

[frail trout]

thinking of doing this now

[flat sapphire]

Maybe it was frenzy

[frail trout]

guess I need to see how much it impacts the total cast time

tomorrow

[spiral oasis]

Are we taking ravager next season

[frail trout]

yes because people voted season 2

[spiral oasis]

Yahoo!!

[frail trout]

back to arms

[snow edge]

They haven't formally announced the tier sets for next season yet

[spiral oasis]

Arms is nothing man

[flat sapphire]

Oh and btw do we need to keep a watch on our rage is there a specific amount of rage we need before using rampage or is it just sending it without caring

[spiral oasis]

Use it when u got it

[oblique trail]

You can min/max your rage, where you send BT instead of instantly rampaging, if you're enraged and above 80+ rage

[spiral oasis]

Rampage > BB

[eternal sundial]

No

[snow edge]

False

Bad advice

[snow edge]

If you mean this season, you don't just send Rampage ASAP

[flat sapphire]

Yea this season

[cosmic lance]

I end up at about 80% haste with frenzy and wafting procced

So maybe during hero it'd be 1.5s cast lol

[spiral oasis]

Rotation is Rampage > wait > rampage > wait

Slam slam slam slam

[snow edge]

If someone is asking a legitimate question don't fuck them around with meme advice

[flat sapphire]

I know the rotation im just not sure if I should wait for specific amount of rage before actually using rampage

[cosmic lance]

If you are still enraged you can squeeze an extra BT in before hitting rampage

[oblique trail]

There's not too much depth atm to rage management

Apart from what I mentioned up above

[clever path]

yeah you just send ramp whenever you cna

no secret jutsu really

[olive wraith]

110 rage is where you ramp over bt if you wanna min/max

[snow edge]

If you send Ramp without min / maxing the rotation a bit, you will end up with some dead globals

If you're ok with that it's not a huge deal

[flat sapphire]

So usually aim for 110 rage if I can

[cosmic lance]

Your priority is to be enraged and hitting bloodbaths so if you're not - send rampage

[flat sapphire]

Yea I have some dead globals rn and I feel like im doing something wrong

[frail trout]

basically if your rage bar will allow you one more cast of anything before rage capping, following the standard prio of BT > slam > ww depending on what buttons are up

then do that extra cast

it will help eliminate dead time

[cosmic lance]

If you are enraged, you can do some min/max stuff and get extra BT casts in

[frail trout]

due to rampaging early

[oblique trail]

A basic rule of thumb is to also BT every 2nd GCD

[frail trout]

it gets somewhat more complicated if you have buff stacks from the set bonus, but sometimes you can get in a situation where you just have to send a non-bloodsurge buffed BT

[oblique trail]

Which goes hand in hand with the above advice

[frail trout]

pretty rare

[frail trout]

this yeah

[flat sapphire]

I will start thinking more about all of it thank you 🙏

[clever path]

most important thing is just never post a sim here with dungeon slice

cause people will kill u

[olive wraith]

That’s not true

[frail trout]

well, knowing how haste works with the on-use item now

I'm now disappointed that they thought it was worth a 20% dot nerf

[subtle lagoon]

Nothing wrong with dslice

[frail trout]

only fury is getting like 80% levels of haste right

[cosmic lance]

Thats not a special case for haste fyi, that's just how haste works in general

[frail trout]

so this change seems even more off-putting for non-fury situations

for the other leggo users

[north edge]

Arms has like 40% haste

And warbreaker gives haste

[cosmic lance]

Fury pretty much sits above 50% as a baseline rotation though

[north edge]

And they can use leggo during avatar proc bladsotrm

[frail trout]

arms does have that benefit yeah

[snow edge]

Definitely aren't using legendary during WB / CS debuff though

[cosmic lance]

I doubt you wanna be using leggo during wb

[frail trout]

idk how people get away with playing bladestorm during tyrannical weeks but subcreation clearly shows thats what people do

[north edge]

Why not? Wb then axe and avatar during charge animation

[frail trout]

it makes my boss damage feel awful

compared to simply being fury

[north edge]

Nobody’s playing arms but maybe next week I’ll give it a go

[cosmic lance]

Because wb doesnt affect it so you're losing 3 buffed GCDs during wb

[north edge]

You’re spinning during the 3 gcds

[snow edge]

Depends on the build you're playing, not everyone is playing BS

[cosmic lance]

You can cast it during bladestorm?

[frail trout]

there's an arms pin about some clever use

[north edge]

You can bladesotm during the charge effect

[frail trout]

both with bladestorm and the avatar bladestorm

[cosmic lance]

Dont have axe so i never looked into it

That might be worth then

[snow edge]

You have to cheese it a bit and make sure there's sufficient range

But yeh

[frail trout]

I'm gonna try arms tomorrow I guess, it's a fortified week at least

[snow edge]

That being said, Jugg is also pretty popular build-wise so isn't applicable across the board

[frail trout]

so I don't have to feel stupid for having bladestorm during tyrannical week

[north edge]

How much was arms buffed by

Aoe and ST for next week

[snow edge]

Check the Arms pins

It's listed

[north edge]

Great

3% st

That’s like half of what ret got

[clever path]

[cosmic lance]

I maintain that arms is aliexpress ret rn

[clever path]

my ret

ready to fuck

[fading sky]

Or teemu

[frail trout]

if my orange was transferable I'd gear my ret instantly, no hesitation

for now I'll just try to enjoy brown

ret is more comfy to play on top of everything

all the melee specs with "bonus melee range" are insanely comfy

no more hugging exposed boss asscracks

[eternal sundial]

Does their discord not let you talk or why yapp here

[snow edge]

More Ret talk in Warrior discord than in Ret discord

[frail trout]

I apologize for being a wow player and not a warrior player, I'll limit my discussion inside the warrior discord - I p much play all melee here and there

[clever path]

People being salty because theres nothing to talk on warrior besides how miserable it has become to play one

[frail trout]

and I'm very envious of the specs that do get bonus melee range

[snow edge]

The people using the warrior channels as an echo chamber for complaining are the same people likely to jump ship to Ret, so

[frail trout]

I usually find myself on warrior because nobody in my guild wants to be one, our guild needs the buff - somebody has to do it or we recruit I guess

[tender seal]

can always talk about not having a f..... legendary in week 234 of the patch

[clever path]

If you think about it, paladin is just a pink warrior

[eternal sundial]

Apologies should come with a change in behaviour or they are not worth much

[frail trout]

????????

your not actually taking a shot at the bonus range comment right lol

I'm wishing warrior had this

I didn't reference a specific other class

in my latest comment on that

[clever path]

Half of people here pile up on a single thing you may have said and they didn't get the context

[frail trout]

chill brother

[clever path]

Its okay, its pretty much norm here

[nimble pewter]

gief long arms yes pl0x i support dis

[eternal sundial]

I just dont care much for ret and this channel is genuinely unusable rn

It's ret yap and people saying dumb shit like rampage insta

[clever path]

Yeah, I don't even know what is better - people piling up on someone legit asking a question, not being knowledgable, sending some comparison log and people just going full memes "KHAHAHA DUNGEON SLICE LOL" even if its sent just for comparison wiht other class

That is, mind you, just localized to fury

people being dicks i mean

[merry jetty]

What dungeons / heroic raid bosses would you possibly be able to use signet? Over might of ocean for example? My other is augury..

[clever path]

Signet is a pretty strong overall for boss fights due to how prolonged they are regardless of difficulty.

2nd council boss on everbloom is pog with signet

[oblique trail]

Dungeons, BRH, AD and EB at the very least, haven't tested many other dungeons than those where it's fairly consistent to maintain the stacks. For HC, depends on your group but anything 4min or above

[merry jetty]

I feel like it dropped too often (doing 23s) on too many dungs, so i just sropped it, 2% dmg usually

[oblique trail]

Unless you're genuinely pressed for ST however in keys, I wouldn't use it over Might

[eternal sundial]

Fyrakk/larry rest kinda piss with real people killtime

[merry jetty]

Larry xd?

[eternal sundial]

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