fury

[viral maple]

They changed it because 10.2 PTR fury was a static ramp -> BT -> BT -> ramp loop iirc

[fringe flame]

You'd wait for the BT/BB cd to come up?

[olive wraith]

Ya the rotation pre change woulda been ramp-bb-bb-bt-ramp

With maybe a slam/ww after bt if you somehow didn’t have rage

[fringe flame]

I've never noticed, but BB doesn't put BT on the 2s cd?

[olive wraith]

It didn’t

[tulip swallow]

I think it does, that was one of the changes

it didn't used to

[fringe flame]

ah

[clever path]

Ret discord right now

Will we ever be able to write these things

[grim ingot]

which embelishments do you suggest for new character M+? legs + wrists? or lariat? (not full sockets)

[fringe vale]

wait isnt ret getting buffed?

wtf

xd

[dapper goblet]

having to stand in a small circle is degenerate and bad gameplay

[fringe vale]

yes its like mage's rop, and they removed it

[edgy widget]

Ok, yeah - nobody ever talents Spear or Roar again, great change /s

[fringe vale]

althoug i think rop was badass fantasy tbh.

[edgy widget]

melee brain can't stand still for 4s

[olive wraith]

Exactly why they said today is the last day

[edgy widget]

RoP was way different than Spear

Spear is 4s every 90s, that's about 4.5% uptime
RoP was like 70-80% uptime

[dapper goblet]

standing in something to do the damage is bad

same with prot paladin conc

awful gameplay

[clever path]

And DK

[hardy cargo]

Wasn’t rop like way bigger, stronger, and not in melee so nowhere close to as cancer

[fringe vale]

but isnt the concep[t bassically the same? align it with ur burst skills to get a dps and burst increase?

[balmy shore]

i hear ww talk about their lil stompies about that

[edgy widget]

not really, again - uptime matters

standing still for 4s is fuckin easy

the only "bad" part about spear is how it hides other ground effects

having to stand inside it is fuckin jokes though

[balmy shore]

i don't like when spear decides it's going to drop at 90 degrees instead

[edgy widget]

RoP was way different becuase you need to be standing inside it all the time

[edgy widget]

happens when you jump, but it still actually does work normally, just the graphic gets borked

some people would do it on purpose to try to make it cover less ground

[fringe vale]

what about bosses like smolderon where if u wanna get the max dps u gotta eat the ring of fire and burn every deffensive + maybe an external to survive it?

[edgy widget]

you gotta do that anyway for max dps, has nothing to do with spear

and let's just say, hypothetically, it was an actual one shot regardless of externals

• is it not valid to take a different talent for a different fight design? The fact that there's a legitimate alternative in Roar kinda renders that problem benign

it's ok if a talent isn't 100% viable for everything, as long as there's a comparable alternative

[dapper goblet]

yes

[paper ivy]

What has happened? Everyone is talking abt spear and roar

[dense elbow]

It is on the daily cycle

dont worry about it

[edgy widget]

so what I'm hearing is buff spear and make it a bigger gain, then you're ok with standing in it? 🙃

[fringe vale]

it should be just a banner on the ground that turns u red when ure on its range

xD

[restive peak]

Spear is not that hard to consistently stand in, if you just throw that shit without planning for upcoming boss abilities you deserve the fuckery

[fringe vale]

tbh im not a spear hater, the skill is weird but not bad, the problem i have with it is what arch said, and that sometimes it dissapears, or u cast it and its invisible, could be bc graphics, but i like to play the game with max fps possible so, "ez fixed with a better pc i guess" still its sad when it happens

[dapper goblet]

no i think standing in it is stupid

and bad

[edgy widget]

melee brain gotta ASASASASAS

[dapper goblet]

nothign to do with melee brain at all

[restive peak]

IDK I kinda like spear, it's a skill differentiator and our class really doesn't have the highest "ceiling", besides things like spear and general uptime

[edgy widget]

Yeah idk, I really don't see a problem with asking people to stand still for four seconds. Certainly it isn't applicable everywhere, but as long as Roar is a very close alternative (which it currently is), I simply don't see the problem

[dapper goblet]

i dont think standing in a blue circle for 4sec is really a skill differentiator

[edgy widget]

and it's perfectly ok if some fights encourage different talents, or even if some players just gravitate to one vs the other for purposes of ease of use

[restive peak]

It is if you misplace your spear as a mechanic comes and it costs you the increase etc

[edgy widget]

then what exactly is the problem with it? Specifically, not just "is bad/stupid"

[dapper goblet]

standing in a set position because of a spell is not good gameplay

[olive wraith]

Yes

[dusk jackal]

as a filler

[dapper goblet]

i've played mage and didnt like standing in rop and that had 2x the radius

[restive peak]

You should absolutely be slammin and jammin

[olive wraith]

Did you give up on arms?

[edgy widget]

Yeah but again, RoP's issue is a 80% uptime, like you need to be in it all the time which sucks for high movement fights

But even on high movement fights, 4s is usually pretty easy to find

[olive wraith]

Because it’s something to press

[dusk jackal]

because sometimes you have nothing else to press. its a filler.

[restive peak]

It's BB>BT>Ramp>Exec/SD>Slam>WW as the order of usage when avail Rebel

So basically you BB/BT EOGCD, ramp next and so on and so forth downwards

[dapper goblet]

just dont want to be forced into a spot regardless of how long or easy/hard it is

[restive peak]

Also watchin a ret drop 400k overall in AD 29, can't wait for next week

Bloodthirst/Bloodbath

Same button

[dapper goblet]

could easily change spear to be not a "stand in the circle" ability and it would just infinitly be better

[olive wraith]

450k next week easy

Rampage is 80 rage cost

It’s our only spender

?

[dusk jackal]

Rampage activates Bloodbath.

[thorny bramble]

how much are people paying for augury these days?

[fading sky]

Nono ret i bad atm😅

[young swan]

750k isnt unreasonable for heroic

[dense elbow]

whatever they are offering

[fading sky]

I paid 550k for one woth speed

[dense elbow]

Last I saw, 1 week ago, was 1.2 mill

[thorny bramble]

jesus i never been lucky =\

[paper ivy]

And some just die on pull and roll 90 for augury

Life sucks

[dusk jackal]

I was in an AD 19 yesterday and Rezan's Eye dropped. Someone offered me $100k for it, but i turned him down since i wanted it. If it drops again, what would the going price for that be?

[olive wraith]

It’s in the build

[fading sky]

Less

[dusk jackal]

you should have it as part of an AOE build

[young swan]

however much they're willing to pay

[fading sky]

Id sell that rezan in a heartbeat

[young swan]

paying for rezans would be way less than paying for augury

[olive wraith]

Are you trolling

[young swan]

cant farm augury

fury doesnt have bladestorm

[dense elbow]

he is trollin', noone would pay 100k dollarinos

[fading sky]

Id tale 20j

[olive wraith]

Maybe take a break

[paper ivy]

How strong is arms going to be?

With the buffs

[olive wraith]

Check arms pins

I think archi did a write up

[young swan]

slightly stronger than fury on pure ST

weaker some places and stronger in others

[olive wraith]

All builds have bb atm

Well. There’s one that doesn’t i lied

Reckless abandon

It’s in the bottom middle part of the tree

[dusk jackal]

False. Someone did in fact offer 100k for rezan's

[young swan]

thats for last tier

[olive wraith]

You have tier 31?

[dense elbow]

well, 100k dollars is a lot of money, just sayin'

So I will still doubt

[young swan]

its the set bonus

from each season

[olive wraith]

We are in tier 31 rn. The set from amir

[young swan]

t30 was s2 and t31 is s3

do you have the armor set from this season or from last?

[paper ivy]

U can use this next season tho^^

[dapper goblet]

make sure you keep that t30 guide on deck though, you'll be playing it in a couple months again

😎

[young swan]

uhh can just send a screen shot of ur char page

[paper ivy]

Send a screenshot of ur gear

[olive wraith]

Any of your pieces have a set bonus?

Helm, shoulder, chest, gloves, legs. (These pieces)

[dusk jackal]

Gold baby, not real dollars. Are you trolling me??

[young swan]

yeah its wow armoury

or armory

if ur merican

[plucky patio]

Are we psyched for s2 bonuses or am i alone in this camp

[dapper goblet]

yes

[olive wraith]

You’re not alone

It’s pretty evenly divided

[olive wraith]

Have you done the raid

Or used catalyst

[dusk jackal]

ok, my bad.

[olive wraith]

Ya you don’t have the set bonus for thia raid

Once you do get the set you’ll switch talents then have RA

[paper ivy]

He can play the t30 with this items

[olive wraith]

Yes

[paper ivy]

It’s actually better than t31 for him

[olive wraith]

Amir

[young swan]

yeah just stick with the build you've been using for now

[olive wraith]

Im not telling him to switch talents now

Wdym

Like which talents do you switch?

[restive peak]

Nothin like Max on stream goin over the changes and sayin "Good for ret, nothing for warrior? Oh theyre dead"

Lmfao

[olive wraith]

Main difference is t30uses ravager

T31 uses odyns fury

Ravager promotes anger management. Odyns fury tier promotes RA

It should

[plucky patio]

it should

Look at the wowhead page for fury warriors theres a reall good breakdown for what you change and why

[olive wraith]

You imported the build from wowhead?

Both the mt and the st build for t30 used ravager

[plucky patio]

you probably imported the t31 set on accident

[olive wraith]

Idk what to tell you then without seeing your talent page

[young swan]

only reason i like hearing max talk about warrior is because he thinks it sucks

very epic give us changes

[restive peak]

He says it every time and it doesn't work, even Max can't fix it 😛

[olive wraith]

Armory does

[dusk jackal]

Were paladins hurting that bad? Those are some pretty good buffs they just got.

[olive wraith]

Send link

Instead

No send armory link

[restive peak]

If you listen to them, they were dead...but they were not bad

[olive wraith]

Ret just suffered the either/or problem

Send here

Their aoe was good

[young swan]

u have ravager talented friend

[fading sky]

Their st was also quite good

[olive wraith]

Ya give your brain a break

Step away for a bit maybe nap/sleep

It’s there

[fading sky]

Just. Not at the same time

[young swan]

yeah might be time for a rest

[restive peak]

Rets AOE was beyond good, it is S tier, their ST is a bit iffy in AOE spec...these buffs are AOE heavy but also buff ST, it's overkill

[olive wraith]

Idk why they needed more aoe

Of all the tuning

[dire mortar]

At least rets don't have much utility and are very squishy. Ohhh wait

[sullen dove]

utility buzzword heard

neurons: activated

get higher item level stuff

usually from dungeons and raids

lfr would be a decent place to start if u can get in there

[olive wraith]

Nah don’t bother

[sullen dove]

yea might just wanna like, do heroic dungeon queues then

[dire mortar]

You can try run and lift heavy stuff to gain more strenght

[sullen dove]

psure they should be decent

[olive wraith]

Heroic or very low m+

[sullen dove]

i mean youre pretty likely to get on avg 1 piece of gear per dungeon

[olive wraith]

Could also craft non tier slots

We got 5 sparks rn?

[dapper goblet]

suffer

[paper ivy]

I need to eat dinner

[young swan]

perish

[dapper goblet]

never forget xan was upset i said the changes to fury tier on ptr (what we have now) was a good change and he was IN TEARS ABOUT THE SET BUT IS GLAZIN IT AND WANTED S3 AGAIN

hate xan

[olive wraith]

Read the guide friend

[young swan]

use them as much as possible

[olive wraith]

But after your break

Sleep now

[sullen dove]

you were pre-glazing it then?

[dapper goblet]

no i said the changes were good

because before it was fucking awful

like the gameplay was even worse

[sullen dove]

did it even have a different version? i thought it was s2 that got wildly shifted

[dapper goblet]

you were clipping your bb charges

[sullen dove]

oh no when you had 2 bb charges

right

they just changed a talent

i dont think they affected the set tho

[dire badge]

clip dn

[summer quail]

what's dn

[sullen dove]

like you turned 3 bb charges into 5 cuz you did 2 bb's back to back and it didnt consume a stack

[covert blaze]

dreadnaught is for arms buddy

[dapper goblet]

hate xan

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

AND he wants wild strike back!!

[young swan]

who said that

[dapper goblet]

i might have made that up

or maybe gajeel wants it

[young swan]

he does

i want furious slash back

but the legion version

[sullen dove]

aint wild strikes one of our talents now

[young swan]

not the bfa version

[young swan]

wild strike is the wod replacement for heroic strike

[young swan]

grom also wants wild strike/heroic strike back

[dapper goblet]

well he's a boomer

[sullen dove]

bro gets upset about not getting the legendary every week when he does 1 weekly 20 and logs off

[dapper goblet]

heroic strike is the biggest rose tinted goggles spell in the game

[restive peak]

Bro we are fucked in M+ tm, I had a little ret buffs unnecessary and will break them for M+ argument and decided stats matter, and didn't even realize til then ret is above rogue for +25s and absolutely fucks us x5 already. Sadness is real.

Ew heroic strike can stay dead

It's the only button I hate on my rogue, ghostly gives me heroic strike vibes and it's once every 30s

[hardy cargo]

How did it work in legion

[young swan]

basically the way bloodcraze does now

but u could stack it manually by pressing FS

back then BT crits enraged u rather than a flat % chance

[clever belfry]

Which one
classic-wrath
or
cata/mop variant

[clever belfry]

(and WW did more damage ST than FS, so if u knew your next BT would autocrit (Battle Cry) u would optimize that!!)

[young swan]

back when ww did damage..

[clever belfry]

it wasn't a lot, mind u

when RB could just be used while enraged

[young swan]

wrecking ball, my sweet...

[clever belfry]

cause enrage wasn't 100%

[young swan]

god i miss legion fury

[clever belfry]

with or without inner rage

[young swan]

the only thing that was bad was juggernaut on bosses with any movement mechanics or forced downtime

[young swan]

both

[keen kindle]

Also

[clever belfry]

Cause no joke

[keen kindle]

Don't miss farming nighthold for a whole expansion

Just to be competitive

[clever belfry]

RA without the BT cdr talent and no anni
plays very close to inner rage legion fury

But yeah without inner rage legion fury was based and actually played around enrage in a relevant fashion and didn't just have 100% uptime (which i think is incredibly boring)

[young swan]

i liked inner rage too

[keen kindle]

Legion fury with bloodbath was kinda lit

[clever belfry]

I didnt play much antorus

so i only played BB + WB on
....
botanist heroic 3 target cleave fiesta

[young swan]

playing bloodbath in tomb was kinda fun for the fights where it was good

[clever belfry]

But that parse piped

i quit like 4 weeks into tomb

[young swan]

understandable

[clever belfry]

played 5050 arma fury until then

[young swan]

man that raid would get fucking rinsed if it was released nowadays

and at the time it was like

hardest raid of all time

[clever belfry]

At SFO rwf event i talked to echos head analyst

i specifically asked him how many pulls for KJ with current prep

he said 150 tops

[young swan]

LOL

[clever belfry]

so based

love that guy

[dapper goblet]

all of them

[clever belfry]

lets add cata/mop variant in, surely would work well with current spec and rampage rage cost

true and real

[modest condor]

150 pulls in they'd still be waiting for unfair overlaps to get fixed

[clever belfry]

Shit gets fixed inf faster nowadays

compared to legion

and there's always a way

[modest condor]

didnt liquid spend like a whole day on an unkillable intermission on raszageth?

[clever belfry]

Also that was entirely not the point

[sinful spoke]

augury doign me good

[clever belfry]

the fuck that mw doing

bro is playing the wrong spec lol

[dapper goblet]

so we're just crossing out doubleshots name

[sinful spoke]

who

[clever belfry]

[brittle crow]

heroic strike moment

ICK

[dapper goblet]

crazy 27 million damage from a legendary

(its bad btw)

hate xan

[clever belfry]

bro i cant wait to mald about maining fury next tier

[sinful spoke]

just got declined from a 20 AD

💀

[covert blaze]

xan hate orange item

[frail trout]

would sell an organ for augury

[clever belfry]

it should do 100m so we are meta imo

[frail trout]

never seen one

[sinful spoke]

i got lucky this week

[covert blaze]

blud playing green holy priest

[sinful spoke]

guild gave it to me for tswift and fyrakk prog

:3

[clever belfry]

Also 2h str classes are clearly tuned around having lego and just barely perform with it now

dogshit patch

[sinful spoke]

real and true anda

[clever belfry]

Blud should uninstall immediately or 7️⃣

[slim coral]

gavel did more

[sinful spoke]

baze is giga coping

[dapper goblet]

doesnt matter how much more something did

[slim coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXYk3_6rea4

If the lego ain't doing this I don't want it

[frail trout]

gavel was better for single target, relative to today's numbers

I recall a good gavel proc contributing as much as 400k for one use on single target

if you didn't get a shit buff

and that was in shadowlands

[dapper goblet]

non rng lego >

gavel was also cringe when you had 7+ people using it in the raid

(no i'm not getting a WA for track my soul)

[slim coral]

ok but what about keys

[covert blaze]

I don't get the 7 meme

[dapper goblet]

pray you got the boon soul in keys

[dense elbow]

I just want one thing: On-use is ready - the correct option is to press it, then look at details and see my numbers spike up

[slim coral]

I can't find a key with the gavel hmm

maybe crit has a video up of one

[clever belfry]

i can not elaborate

[clever escarp]

gavel was great cuz i dropped it on start of s3 almost instatly and then in s4 it dropped from first jailer kill

[tulip swallow]

Guild didn't even do heroic jailer until we were on either halondrus or anduin mythic

Shit loot for literally everybody else, hard trolled by blizzard

[covert blaze]

Damn... if only dms existed

[dapper goblet]

my guild also had this cope

didnt get my gavel entire tier until the first day of fated

very neat game

[pallid otter]

i got gavel on mythic jailer prog

[clever belfry]

nop, it shall stay obscure

[covert blaze]

cringer gatekeeper

[clever belfry]

hint: go on wowhead and attempt to find something with 7

[dapper goblet]

needs to..

[clever belfry]

[dense elbow]

saved

[dapper goblet]

[frail trout]

[clever belfry]

Cringe pvp

[frail trout]

I got mad when I saw the post because I saw the word pvp moments later

actual buff baiting

[clever belfry]

me when offsetting armor nerf in pvp

[dapper goblet]

cant believe they didnt add that to pve..

we are so squishy when we lose season 3 set

[clever belfry]

so true

[clever belfry]

now my leech will only overheal by 10% instead of 60%

[covert blaze]

bro thinks I'm Nicholas Cage in National Treasure (2004)

[clever belfry]

u can find it king

[calm mantle]

The fact I'm not being insta accepted to an 18 AD when they have dispells covered, i'm 3k IO with a 24 cleared makes me cry.

[covert blaze]

I will try later

[gilded pawn]

there are 3k io with meta classes also applying

[calm mantle]

They've been sitting in que for like 5 minutes, I doubt it.

Over exagerating by 5 minutes but I was at least waiting 1 minute in their que.

[dense elbow]

I usually wait like 5-10min, then get the 3.7k score rogue

🤷‍♂️

[calm mantle]

Overkill for an 18 lol, you could of been half way through already.

[dense elbow]

Nah, he clears the instance in 3 min, you would take 15

[sullen dove]

yknow like 95% of a dungeon's speed is on how big the tank pulls

3.7k rogue not gonna do fuckin anything much better than anyone else if you go 3 mobs at a time

[dense elbow]

Nah, because I also invited a 4.5k rio vdh

[sullen dove]

surely 4.5k has ever been reached by anyone in this game b4

[calm mantle]

Meanwhile that 4.5k RIO vdh is from some rich family swiping his card for rio.

[naive summit]

Can't believe they nerfin fury tomorrow. If everyone got buffed and we didn't then that's basically a nerf

[dense elbow]

Just to make it crystal clear

Tank could pull everything, because of the 9k rio healer

[sullen dove]

m+ hamster wheel minigame anyway

[olive wraith]

Freakin trolled by that tuning post

[dense elbow]

Wdum
big

Just learned, it got differnt % value as prot and fury, neat

2/4% vs 5/10%

More you know '''''*

[olive wraith]

Additional class tuning. Only PvP

[covert blaze]

nish was 4.1k

[sullen dove]

surely

[covert blaze]

[rapid lark]

Is there anyone for helping me about some questions

[mossy fox]

dont ask to ask just ask

[olive wraith]

Can I ask about asking to ask?

[restive peak]

Bro yazma is a blast

29 yazma, 59mil dmg...DH at 42 XD

[runic pine]

All my homies love reflect on Yazma

[restive peak]

Ty for 10mil in reflects lewwwwllll

[olive wraith]

I get trolled and only get targeted once

Or targeted back to back

So sr isn’t up

[runic pine]

Ye it happens sometimes

[restive peak]

I got targetted 2x more w/o SR

Imagine the dmg

Fight gets wild at 29 man, soulrend is terrifying

[mossy fox]

just need enrage and dstance to be safe

[restive peak]

280k overall ain't bad though, our DH only beat me by a bit

Ye

I moreso mean the others LOL

[mossy fox]

if no enrage you prolly need to burn ER or SR

[restive peak]

Their HP hits like fuckin 2%

[mossy fox]

ah right yea

[restive peak]

Wild cuz the entire key is a joke

[mossy fox]

my team are all ok against soulrend

[restive peak]

Then that fight is insane

[mossy fox]

gets close for the voker sometimes

[restive peak]

We pulled 3 screamers into mid pack and shit, chillin

Get to yazma? BLASTER

Priest the guy who scares me the most on ours

[olive wraith]

I feel like I’ve bricked more Eb than ad

[restive peak]

EB is a shitstorm

3rd/4th boss are both absolutely brutal and 1 mistake = brick

[olive wraith]

Pugs depleted my key from 23 to 21

[restive peak]

We tried a few 28s this week and it was just nutty, I really wish we didn't deplete; it's hard to get practice unless you run all day

[olive wraith]

[restive peak]

And we only do like 10-12 keys a week

So if we get bad key rolls, it's a meh week

[sudden tusk]

i just want the legendary man

its like im playing without a chest piece

[restive peak]

Feel ya brotherman

Right

[runic pine]

Lego on use is sucky

[restive peak]

I look at this overall and just think man....leggo means I beat our DH in a 29, that's wild. I mean SR is the real reason, but still

I got some dirty reflects off this key, 17.8mil SR overall

[wet wren]

Is there a way to SIM gear that scales it up to being fully upgraded? got a 4/4 myth Chain of green flight currently and just had hero 1/6 raven penent drop, wanna know how differently they'd sim if the raven penent was 6/6

[restive peak]

Yessir, you just click the + sign

And you can pick which lvl and add sockets etc

[wet wren]

ah ok ty

[olive wraith]

?

[calm mantle]

This damage makes me so happy, no lust no aug. Was on the dog pack + 2 oracle and witc before first boss.

Hit 1m on the pack in the corridor just before. Without pulling the double sentinels.

[olive wraith]

S3 fury is bad

[dapper goblet]

real

[urban coral]

so just to confirm, yall boys just run heroic for lego right. not normal or lfr beforehand?

[warm crag]

blizz confirmed there's no point

[urban coral]

sounds good, not trying to waste time brother

[warm crag]

so just do the highest difficulty you can do

hc fullclear might? be valuable for lesser but who knows

[calm mantle]

I only do normal and lfr for augury

[urban coral]

and it doesn't matter how big the group is right, your chances stay the same

[oblique trail]

It doesn't

Only thing that matters is you killing the boss

[urban coral]

ok thank you, praying for tmrw lol

[calm mantle]

We aren't getting it, you've got like what 7 embers now? All that goodluck protection working against you.

[dapper goblet]

feel like the blp tokens are actually useless

and are just physical objects to make it seem like blp is a thing

placebo tokens

[left perch]

Mr Wonka are you insinuating

[dark elbow]

If you want to optimize: run a full LFR but not Fyrakk, run a full normal but not Fyrakk, and run a full heroic WITH fyrakk at the end

Im not saying its the best time wise.

[dapper goblet]

[warm crag]

hello wonker

[warm crag]

lessers only drop from hc onwards

unless you're trying to optimize his time waste

[dark elbow]

I would never

[warm crag]

i will obliterate you

embrace your end

[dark elbow]

Please dont i hate frost DKs

[restive peak]

The things only apply to the following week

[glad coyote]

whos got a 25 tot or EB key and want to 2 warrior it up

[modest condor]

xd

eb on bolstering week, double warrior on afflicted

[restive peak]

I got a 29 Rise, interested

LEWL

[glad coyote]

just get declined over and over again and again

no brez/hero/dispell

[olive wraith]

Don’t need brez just don’t die

[modest condor]

trueeeee

[olive wraith]

I really thought I could hit 3k this week

But I’m not gonna make it

[glad coyote]

trying to hit 3.3k and that wont happen

[modest condor]

i played for 1 day and made it to 3.3k

not playing next week either lol

[warm crag]

funky

[modest condor]

fuck sanguine

then after that 2 push weeks

should be easy 3.5k+

[warm crag]

its push week

get pushed out of the guild bud

[modest condor]

what ya pushin bud

[olive wraith]

Sanguine what next week

[modest condor]

no idea dont care

it's sanguine

so week off

oh yeah incorp

[final birch]

apparently there aer like 3 push weeks after that

deadass eb is piss on this week and next week

[mossy fox]

sanguine push week

[final birch]

went eb 27 today, didnt even try the 28 I had in bags

doable but kinda pain

[restive peak]

Sanguine afk week HOW CAN I RUN MY SUPER SICK SPEAR BUILD WITH SANG

[mossy fox]

we tried eb 28 a couple of times

[olive wraith]

It’s arms week

[mossy fox]

usually we die to bosses rather than bolster

[final birch]

yeah

I mean we had a couple of deaths

but wipe on bosswas what finished us

[olive wraith]

Those aboms on bolster

[final birch]

then again it's all voiceless pug so kinda different

[olive wraith]

Are scary

[mossy fox]

fury brings enough prio dmg

or at least for my group it did

think our route only does 1 abom anyway

[hard widget]

You know how u'd time it @mossy fox ?

With another legendary hehe

More tin foil my friend

[mossy fox]

dont think leggo would fix our eb runs this week but itd help

mage boss and last boss very nasty

[hard widget]

It would help if they would stop the little flowers from bolstering the big boys

[mossy fox]

laren often runs oom on last boss

[hard widget]

Isnt qrva's offheals enough to safe him mana?

[final birch]

this was our route yeah

just 1 abom

or not even lol

[mossy fox]

p sure doing dmg on add is worth more than the offhealing

[hard widget]

U should seriously consider running without an aug Crit

[mossy fox]

offhealing just lets the add live longer

[hard widget]

Both pally / warrior are very strong

But the damage lack on the add is yikes

Survivability wise you shouldnt need an aug

[mossy fox]

idk the aug brings a lot of nice stuff

[hard widget]

The damage they bring is a big turnoff tho

[mossy fox]

rogue is being geared on the side so we got that option

[hard widget]

Rogue would definitely be a great option

Or maybe a windwalker

[mossy fox]

nah verru is rogue main but been playing voker

hes gearing the rogue

[hard widget]

I think the biggest issue is that ret doesnt have a lot of st, warrior does

But very limited to specific windows

Having a rogue or something to add damage to the add would dramatically speed that up

And like i said, i highly doubt you and qrva need it survivability wise. Maybe not as nice for laren tho

[mossy fox]

hard to say honestly

aug kit has so much stuff

source of magic helps a bunch too for mana im sure

[hard widget]

But what part of the kit do you guys specifically need?

That a rogue cant provide

[mossy fox]

help laren survive

[hard widget]

Yeah i think thats the biggest issue

[olive wraith]

Shammy squish

[hard widget]

Is he already running defensive trinkets?

[mossy fox]

laren runs throughput trinks

[hard widget]

Maybe thats something u can gain on

[restive peak]

Laren is legit a freak btw

It's fuckin insane how much better he is than other restos

[mossy fox]

idk i dont think a rogue instead of aug would be amazing honestly, optimal would just be to play both

[hard widget]

Im not sure if he can loot it, but rageheart for example should make him immortal pretty much

[mossy fox]

ya laren's sick

[cosmic lance]

He would have to be traded it

[hard widget]

Maybe something to look into @mossy fox

1 min cd on immortality

[mossy fox]

i mean he's not gearing his rogue for nothing

[hard widget]

I meant for laren

[mossy fox]

also rageheart is 1.5m but still

[hard widget]

Oh my mistake

Still very strong tho

[olive wraith]

Vers good stat for resto too

[hard widget]

Yeah i think it could benefit him a lot

[olive wraith]

So not a total wash

[restive peak]

Rageheart enjoyer

[mossy fox]

we're fine for time in most keys tbh now

[sudden tusk]

i have rageheart but i havent needed it yet

when i can just dstance

[mossy fox]

just need to survive shit

[restive peak]

Crit how much is brand doing in a 29/30 if you keep it up

[sudden tusk]

me need lego....

[mossy fox]

it does like 4.5% of my overall i think

[sudden tusk]

this is mine is a 27 rise

[mossy fox]

fullstacked on st boss like 8-10%

[sudden tusk]

hard to keep up there tho

[restive peak]

Solid cuz prio though, cuz it's basically same dmg as rage, but the prio is def better

[hard widget]

I mean if he has rageheart, + having an evoker and sac from paladin

He should be fine no?

[sudden tusk]

i like augery but ive seen others run without it

trinkets feel weird rn

[mossy fox]

havent really been gated by larens survivability yet

but team helps a bunch

[sudden tusk]

what class does he play

[mossy fox]

rsham

[sudden tusk]

yeah theres a lot of tools to help others

if we had 20% rally in keys tho...

[hard widget]

But if u arent gated on surviving, and not gated on dmg, than what is gating u guys? (unless i understood wrong and u guys arent gated at all)

[mossy fox]

we just play well enough and key is timed

we dont play perfect every key

thats all

[hard widget]

Shit happens

[sudden tusk]

playing consistant 30m at a time is hard

[hard widget]

Very good weeks coming after next week

[sudden tusk]

yeah i just want my lego before the next tyran week

the fort after is also good

[mossy fox]

sometimes we just got to figure out new strats and routes too so it takes practice

love playing brh/ad for half of the key sessions just to reroll keys we need

[sudden tusk]

i do wish they would rework keys

so they were just a flat level

[hard widget]

I do honestly thing the balance between dungeons is quite a bit off, slowing down gaining score a lot. Besides that the amount of stops required this season is yikes

[sudden tusk]

or well they weren't dungeon specific

so you could start with 5 28s and just prog a key

and just pick what you want to do instead of perma rerolling through brh/ad

and could just use those to push the key up instead

[coarse adder]

How much do you guys think properly utilizing add ons and UI influences ability to do end game such as high level M+/Mythic raiding

[sudden tusk]

though it does technically force veriety

[mossy fox]

eh every season's like this, some keys are easy farm/reroll keys

[hard widget]

Quite a lot

[mossy fox]

some people play without addons and do high keys fine

it's what they're used to but they're def at a disadvantage

[coarse adder]

How much do you think things like RWF would be impacted if add ons were outlawed? All im trying to figure out how much learning add ons has to do with pushing content

[sudden tusk]

its not needed, it just helps you digest information easier if you want

[hard widget]

it would be a very long race

They rely on addons and weakauras A LOT

[coarse adder]

Talking to somebody in my guild about this now lol

[sudden tusk]

eh they need it in RWF becuase it just lets them deal with information way faster

[coarse adder]

wanted more opinions

[hard widget]

The race players play against the bosses that arent nerfed yet to the point where "normal" guilds do it

So they rely on it heavily

[mossy fox]

bosses are pretty much designed/tuned with addons in mind ig

[sudden tusk]

Addons/WAs most the time disregarding UI improvements are just about displaying information in a easier more digestable format

[mossy fox]

if there were no addons, bosses wouldnt be this complex

[sudden tusk]

true

[coarse adder]

i agree to an extent I dont think final content should be beaten in 2 weeks though. Regardless of players putting in 12 hours every single day not including prep time and gearing.

[oblique trail]

Tbf it's only an incredibly small sample size of incredibly good players who do this

[mossy fox]

i think it's perfectly fair that they are able to do that

[coarse adder]

Just a persnal opinion on a lighthearted topic

[oblique trail]

The vast vast majority of people clear the content way slower

[coarse adder]

I think its fair if you put that much work in 100%

[hard widget]

They put in tremendous of time of prep, running splits and playing. Its fair that they beat it in 2 weeks

[coarse adder]

to do better

[mossy fox]

they're top players who put in an insane amount of hours in not just playing the race, but there's a lot of prep too

[hard widget]

And they are the best players in the world (raid wise)

[cosmic lance]

Most of the difficult fights would be unplayably inconsistent without weakauras and addons managing mechanics for you

[sudden tusk]

if they cant beat it in 2 weeks then everyone else is gonna need a rediculous amount of time to do it

[coarse adder]

Eh they couldnt do it without the hundreds if not thousands of people that help them though

[cosmic lance]

They design fights with addons in mind

[coarse adder]

or the add ons

[hard widget]

Think about neltharion without weakaura's

What a pain that wouldve been

[coarse adder]

I feel you but I have a hard time believing a microsoft owned company will keep catering to private developers

[cosmic lance]

Even some very simple fights become much harder without weakauras telling which people to stack where

[mossy fox]

my guild's usually around r150 or so i think and we're still progging fyrakk now, how many weeks has it been since rwf kill?

[oblique trail]

7 weeks ig?

[mossy fox]

just goes to show how insane the rwf guilds are

[sudden tusk]

dude we went from tendril

[oblique trail]

6?

Something like that

[sudden tusk]

and Fyrakk even P1 has HANDS

so much damage going out

[cosmic lance]

And then bear in mind, they're developing the strats and tech for everyone following them

And they're still that much faster

If their boss weakauras never went public a lot of guilds wouldn't make it through the raid

[coarse adder]

Im not a super serious raider and again just a light hearted discussion just voicing opinions questions etc

I think the top guilds probably have programmers on payroll or the roster I doubt its a full group effort creating them

[modest condor]

northern sky says hello

[oblique trail]

Northern Sky does own

@ toph

[modest condor]

yes that's what i'm saying

we don't need liquid/echo weakauras because there's northern sky

[cosmic lance]

Ok, you're still requiring someone else to do the weakaura work for you though?

Is my point

[modest condor]

true

[hard widget]

If one doesnt do it another one will

[oblique trail]

I will simply learn how to make raid WAs myself

[hard widget]

Everyone depends on it

[coarse adder]

Does blizzard provide access to the api for anyone that wants to develop add ons?

[hard widget]

If it wasnt for ToS we'd all be paying for it too 😎

[cosmic lance]

They've specifically broken certain addons they felt went too far, or certain weakauras that were too "automated" in their opinion

[olive wraith]

Addons have been a thing for over a decade

[oblique trail]

Considering all the amount of backlash people have given companies and creators who did put a paywall on addons/mods, I don't think we would be paying for it

[coarse adder]

Longer then that lol. Microsoft bought the company in octber though and the transfer is still occuring as far as i know.

[olive wraith]

I’m honestly surprised there’s not a default details yet

[gilded pawn]

you have to realize

blizzard themselves hate addons as well

its just too hard to pull it back

[cosmic lance]

And to what you said before, yes echo/liquid do have addon/weakaura guys specifically for the race

[gilded pawn]

no game after wow had addons

d3, d4, OW, etc

not even the most basic shit

[cosmic lance]

And some of their own raiders are very good at that sort of thing too

[coarse adder]

It influences how they need to develop why would they not hate it. Its an added aspect of the game they make no profit and get no benefit from why would they like it.

[cosmic lance]

A lot of the qol things in game now are based on addons people wrote

[gilded pawn]

im saying the msft aquisition doesnt matter

they would hate addons either way with or without msft

[coarse adder]

Im saying microsoft has the money to tell everyon to fuck off vs blizzard needing to cater to the playerbase

[gilded pawn]

no they dont

[coarse adder]

Yes they do lol

[gilded pawn]

microsoft isnt as rich as you think

[oblique trail]

If they banned addons then you'd see the player number decay instantly

[gilded pawn]

sorry i do financial analysis for a living, you know more than me

[oblique trail]

lmao

[hard widget]

Why would they even do that? It brings them no money, it only costs them money

[coarse adder]

Wow is a tiny porition of the profit microsoft got from blizzard

[cosmic lance]

Blizzard can't even consistently stop botting, let alone ban all addons

[gilded pawn]

what do they gain out of removing addons

[coarse adder]

I dont want add ons removed that was never my arguement

[wraith wharf]

addons arent going anywhere, they might kill specifc ones that are deemed to powerfull but other than that

[coarse adder]

I think how free to develop add ons people are is going to become much more strict with microsoft though

[young swan]

why

[olive wraith]

Why would it

[wraith wharf]

i doubt it

[young swan]

they're perfectly fine with minecraft being modded to shit

[hard widget]

I rather have blizzard go through a patch with proper tuning for a change than them fixing addons

[modest condor]

there is gonna be exactly 0 change related to addons because of microsoft

[wraith wharf]

mircrosoft said they are going to be hands off unless its absolutely needed

[cosmic lance]

You already have the ToS and them basically saying anything you write for WoW belongs to them if they want it

[rugged hornet]

what stat increases the leggos dot damage more? Vers or haste? or would they all be about the same?

[olive wraith]

What would Microsoft gain from banning addons

[hard widget]

backlash xd

[coarse adder]

What does microsoft gain from allowing them?

[modest condor]

whichever stat is currently your lowest is gonna increase it more

[oblique trail]

Players playing the game

[hard widget]

happy bees

[wraith wharf]

we are the bees, hello

[coarse adder]

Guarentee most people wouldnt quit without add ons lol

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t disrupt the community

[coarse adder]

maybe stop for a few months

[oblique trail]

A lot of people would definitely stop playing if addons were banned

[hard widget]

i would

[coarse adder]

most peopel do that anyway though

[modest condor]

i would

[rugged hornet]

what conversation did i scroll into?

[coarse adder]

you all say that now lol

[wraith wharf]

if i had a penny for everytime someone said "they are banning addons!!!oneoneoneexlamantionpoint", i would have a couple dollars

[cosmic lance]

It would be an enormous shift in raiding and raid design

[coarse adder]

until the game is taken from you

[oblique trail]

I already have a mostly hate relationship with wow

[hard widget]

Top lvl play becomes giga sjeit by removing addons (weakaura's is an addon)

[oblique trail]

Killing addons would be more than enough for me to just not play

[olive wraith]

But again. What financial gain would Microsoft get for banning addons

[cosmic lance]

You could argue it would simplify fight design, cutting down on development time for raids

If you dont have addons managing mechanics, they can't be anywhere near as convoluted

But that would also put most high end raiders off raiding

[coarse adder]

Idk only place add ons are really required is high end m+ a few mythic bosses and thats it

everything else is fun and easy without add ons

[hard widget]

Unpopular opinion, but A LOT of people are actually A LOT worse then they seem. However they have addons / weakaura's to help them be able to multitask better and enjoy the game better. Besides that top lvl gameplay would become unbareable. I'd lose all my fun in m+ and raid instantly and i cba to be a casual. So yes i'd quit if that happens

[glad coyote]

Lego upgrade boyssss

Let's gooo

[cosmic lance]

Almost every mythic boss has addons that are very much required to progress a fight for 99% of guilds

[wraith wharf]

wouldnt that be the reason they are good? because they are using the tools to help them imrpove

[hard widget]

I mean if those fall away

[coarse adder]

idk so far only fight ive needed an add on for is igara and that was only because it didnt work if everyone didnt have one

[wraith wharf]

its like saying "here go be a carpenter but you cant even use a hammer"

[edgy widget]

Fyr’alath channel time is now hasted - great!

• You now want to be enraged before using it to reduce the channel time as much as possible.
• Still don’t want to use it during CDs, but shorter channel lessens that impact.
• Damage change up emphasizes the on-use rather than passive DoT, making it more important to actually cast the ability, which is a very slight overall buff in raid and nerf in most M+ content. Extremely rough numbers put this at ~0.1% buff in ST and ~0.5-0.7% nerf in M+ (not including the hasted aspect, which is a buff to both; you can sim that tomorrow).

[soft orbit]

new leggo changes on wowhead

[coarse adder]

im not high end raider though

[chrome relic]

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-poppinbottles-champagne-gif-4905356

[olive wraith]

Wait

[chrome relic]

a buff is a buff baby thank god its effect by haste

[olive wraith]

So the on use is worse

But the passive is better?

[wraith wharf]

so you arent a carpenter, and want to ban the use of hammers

[hard widget]

Selective hearing, "they heard our feedback" they just chose to ignore the feedback on how shit fury is atm xd

[modest condor]

other way around

[oblique trail]

Wowie they made the on-use hasted

[soft orbit]

so haste makes the active faster now then?

[modest condor]

yes

[olive wraith]

Oh the cast time?

[cosmic lance]

They shifted some of the damage away from the dot and into the on-use

[upper mica]

So on use is buffed 15% but the overall mark damage is down 20%

[sudden tusk]

thats a nerf

thats a fucking legendar yNERF

[modest condor]

huh

[hard widget]

Seems like a nerf tbh yes

[glad coyote]

Jesus

[coarse adder]

Eh not really i think its more like not adapting to technology i guess. Like using an auto hammer instead of a hammer. or a drill instead of a screwdriver. Yeah the guy doing it by hand has more skill but he will always be slower

[edgy widget]

Well there’s your problem - fury isn’t shit atm

[olive wraith]

[hard widget]

You know what i meaaaan :3

[coarse adder]

fury is fun atm

[upper mica]

It's certainly a big nerf either way

[edgy widget]

Like I get you might not be happy with the state of it, but it’s really far from a bad spot

[coarse adder]

big fun

[edgy widget]

What nerf?

[modest condor]

yeah idk how someone can look at that and think it's a nerf

[oblique trail]

For AoE it's a nerf no?

[hard widget]

I think next week or the week after we'll be able to see what the changes have done and judge upon that, but i dont like the foresight to be fair

[coarse adder]

being affected by haste is a massive buff isnt it lol

[oblique trail]

And ST it'll be a gain

[soft orbit]

less time holding your dick while the wep goes off

[upper mica]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if the on use is buffed by 15% and the mark which is majority of damage is down by 20% that seems like a big nerf to me

[hard widget]

Because the on use cant always be spammed and the dot is passive dmg that always applies

[upper mica]

I could be misinterpreting

[restive peak]

Is this gonna make haste better now again, interesting

[sudden tusk]

the mark provided a significant amount more damage then the active use in keys

[edgy widget]

Well that depends on how you’re using it

[worn sierra]

this sounds more of "We actually want you to get rooted and die to risk damage increase"

[restive peak]

I think it's a buff if you use it perfectly, a nerf if you fuck it up

Harder to fuck up w haste, potentially, but still

[rugged hornet]

dang those buffs

[edgy widget]

But yeah they definitely want to emphasize the channel

[hard widget]

I dont think its realistic to get a use of it everytime it comes up

[soft orbit]

the channel is the worst part of it

[olive wraith]

This just buffs arms more

[coarse adder]

gross lol i forgot the on use has a channel

[upper mica]

I'm thinking more keys which does sway me to think it's a nerf

[soft orbit]

love it when the tank moves the target away while im using it

[upper mica]

Raid I can see it being a gain lol

[wraith wharf]

i would be concerned if i had one

[hard widget]

I agree with @upper mica I think this is not as great as it looks for m+, maybe for raid. But i find it unrealistic to expect a proper use everytime the cooldown is up (and against a good amount of targets)

[lyric ether]

So do we enrage, cast it, then use CDs?

[gentle terrace]

Me just wishing I fucking had the axe, bro.

[modest condor]

i guess if you wanna minmax it you would use it at the end of an enrage

[upper mica]

M+ I think this hurts alot as the on use was up alot more over more so the nervous in damage is substantial

Raid I can see how it would be a gain though if used correctly

[sudden tusk]

its a significant loss in M+

[lyric ether]

Charge, BT/Rampage, wait, Use it, CDs?

[wraith wharf]

dont think enrage effects items / trinkets ever since the draught

[upper mica]

Again I could be wrong but you'd wanna use it before cds as you then have the extra 10% damage correct?

[modest condor]

man im trying to find an m+ log with the legendary to get a comparison between dot and on use but nobody uses the on use

[olive wraith]

Why ramp before using

[coarse adder]

who was complaining about damage though?

[hard widget]

Yeah i think this is definitely a big nerf for M+ unless ur playing with a highly coordinated team to play around it

[coarse adder]

like 4-5 classes out dps warriors paladins and dks even with the legendary

[wind token]

wdym the on use was awful

[junior gale]

when the legendary is being tuned more than my spec but im just here chillin with no orange stick

[wind token]

the only good thing was the dot

[rugged hornet]

unless we are getting PI every cd

[young swan]

the dot was like 7% and the on use is like 3%

[coarse adder]

what was total dps added on average for it?

[young swan]

for m+

[chrome relic]

how is this a M+ nerf

[hard widget]

That seems inaccurate

[modest condor]

most logs im seeing 4-5% from the dot

[upper mica]

Check on my logs... I'm pretty sure you'd find a few on there

[coarse adder]

10% added damage + the stats is massive though

[young swan]

seems about what I remember it to be ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive wraith]

Feels bad man

[upper mica]

Yeah on use was minimal

Dot is huge in m+

[young swan]

maybe 5/2 split

[hard widget]

For paladins its higher, maybe u've seen that for a pally

[coarse adder]

they should just buff the dot alittle and take the stupid on use out

[young swan]

i have the axe

ive had the axe for weeks

[soft orbit]

just make the use like the charge to the target

[olive wraith]

They probably want it to be interactive

[restive peak]

I mean it's like spear, spear was so doomed w EM at first and now it's meh

[olive wraith]

Instead of just a passive damage buff

[hard widget]

No need to flex on an axeless warrior like that bro 😢

xD

[restive peak]

This should be a buff overall, I think

[rugged hornet]

idk i use the on use part and it usually does a hefty amount of damage

[young swan]

nah

the dot did heavy lifting

[restive peak]

even used perfectly?

[sudden tusk]

its a significant nerf in M+

might be neutral in raid

[hard widget]

I mean its 20% nerf vs 15% increase

[upper mica]

Raid it will be a net net result

M+ will be a big lose

[young swan]

at best the on use was worth half the dot

[modest condor]

yeah but it's also hasted now so you get an extra gcd

[chrome relic]

how about we just wait for the sims

[soft orbit]

so much tuning to the leggo

[worn sierra]

this makes the augury much more needed for me now. But I'm sure it will drop on the vault this coming reset!

[edgy widget]

That’s exactly why they’re changing it up - because it’s easier to just let the dots roll

[soft orbit]

i legit dont know what were they thinking while designing this

[upper mica]

It's hard as the on use gives you 10% more damage so you need to equate it as well which you can't really

[rugged hornet]

is there a way to seperate the dot damage and the on use damage in details?

[coarse adder]

I mean when you have one item thats so much better then every other item that not every class/spec can use makes tuning hard for sure

[young swan]

yeah theres a script you can run for details to split it

@pulsar prawn has it i believe

[upper mica]

Not really but again mainly cause of the extra 10% damage from on use you can't pull that info out

[sudden tusk]

they could have just buffed the active instead of nuking the actual good part

[coarse adder]

probably one of the main reasons dks warriors and paladins are all lower on dps charts then most classes without the legendary

[hard widget]

If you'd assume 5% of ur dmg is the dot -> lowering that by 20% = 1% -> means u have 4% left. 2% from active getting buffed by 15% = 0.3% more dmg there meaning 2.3% total -> 2.3 + 4 = 6.3% dmg vs initial 7 (idk if my math is wrong, but this seems the case for m+)

[edgy widget]

It’s definitely a nerf in silly situations like mark ticking on 40 BRH bats

[vocal gyro]

if you have 50% haste does that mean it will cast 50% faster

[edgy widget]

But that’s also pretty superfluous damage, but it’s obvious they want to emphasize the actual on-use effect

[edgy widget]

No, cause then 100% haste would mean infinite speed lol

[upper mica]

I don't mind the on use.... but it means the on use becomes much more significant as to when you use

[cosmic lance]

It just standard haste scaling

[young swan]

idk why they nerfed the dot by so much

[gentle terrace]

they listened to the feedback, that's why!

[edgy widget]

50% haste = 2s channel time down from 3

[hard widget]

Based on my shitty math here i'd think that results is 2-3k dps loss over course of the dungeon. But im sure Archimtiros will do some calculations

[edgy widget]

100% haste = 1.5s channel time

[upper mica]

I think the on use will be better used JUST before cds so the 10% damage scales at higher value

[soft orbit]

the other classes must have been so mad about dot dmg on details 😠

[dapper goblet]

cant believe they giga buffed the lego just for xan to call it bad still.

[edgy widget]

Yeah the dot thing is bigger for wars because we can apply it to infinite targets way easier than most classes

[young swan]

ur so dumb

[upper mica]

Can anyone clarify that for me haha

[edgy widget]

Most couldn’t just ww and apply it to everything inn one GCD

[young swan]

at least oblit cleaves it now

poor fdks

[hard widget]

Seems so odd to me why they make these tuning changes so late

[pliant lantern]

Feels pretty bad eating a nerf to a legendary that’s already one of the weakest we have ever had

[pure echo]

Isn't this a straight nerf overall?

[sudden tusk]

yes

[pure echo]

LIKE WTF

[hard widget]

For m+ its a nerf

[edgy widget]

No

[hard widget]

For raid no clue

[upper mica]

Raid will net net - m+ nerf

[edgy widget]

It’s a potential nerf in high target m+ situations yes

[pure echo]

the on use isn't the largest portion of damage isn't it? 20% nerf to the dot seems uncalled for.

[edgy widget]

Again, most classes don’t apply it to infinite targets instantly in M+ the way warriors do

[upper mica]

They had to as Warriors benefited too much from it over other classes and @edgy widget said..... we ww everything has mark.... it was a little isane

[hard widget]

I mean realistically the nerf is 20% and buff only 15% meaning the active effect would need to be higher % of total dmg done in order for it ever to be a buff

[edgy widget]

And it’s clear they want to put power into the actual effect

[wraith wharf]

so basicly.. its a buff for everyone else, nerf to us

[modest condor]

why is everybody ignoring the part where it's hasted now

[edgy widget]

It’s a buff in most situations, a nerf in some situations

[modest condor]

you're getting a free extra gcd when you use it

[vivid peak]

I dont think its a nerf, probably just balanced differently.

[hard widget]

I'd love to see the math on that

[upper mica]

Honestly the haste is so negligible

[hard widget]

Im genuinely curious

[modest condor]

it's not tho

[edgy widget]

Because some people in here are determined to scream nerf lol

[modest condor]

a full gcd on every use is easily 1% over the course of a fight

[olive wraith]

Arms has double our haste guys. Time to switch

[restive peak]

They really fucked this up lmaoooo

[pure echo]

Sure, that's nice but I did our last raid with it just fine. The weapon needs some ooomph, not a nerf in anyway lol.

[viscid lichen]

Cast being hasted feels more like a QoL than a buff tho

[restive peak]

Like the leggo has had what, 4 tuning passes? 5?

[pure echo]

buff the on use by 25% cowards

[restive peak]

This is hilarious

[modest condor]

with our haste it's even more than a full gcd

[vivid peak]

It wasnt hasted before correct? So now it having a stat scaling for the active will offset the dot damage in typical scenarios

[chrome relic]

question is does it change where we use it in our rotation at all?

[worn sierra]

Well it's a 20% down for a 15% up (on face value) and we don't know how much haste impacts all of this

[hard widget]

Thats a very easy way of thinking. You can't just assume that you can use the axe on cooldown and get a good use out of it, unless played around. So yeah the active might get u a gcd more since its hasted. However you got to also take into account when u can actually use it or when it stays on cd

And since u use the axe outside of cd's that 1 gcd aint gonna do anything for you really

[edgy widget]

He’s still right though, presuming when you use the axe didn’t change at all, you’re still gaining an extra GCD per use

[sudden tusk]

i mean its a bigger change that the last hit of the active now applies the dog

but that doesnt help us

[hard widget]

That certainly is true

[rugged hornet]

welp i cannot find that script, he said he posted it a while ago but i cant seem to find it..

[edgy widget]

Not really for us, but it is for other classes yeah

[sullen dove]

wow bigger gap between having legendary and not! not tuned around leggo btw

surely tomorrow

[sudden tusk]

so we get -damage since the other classes suck at spreading it

[edgy widget]

Like I said, Warrior has it easy cause we can just WW to apply it to everyone

[sudden tusk]

its lame

[upper mica]

As a non mythic raider and high key pusher... this hurts so I'm allowed to be upset.... but mythic Raiders shouldn't be too concerned as ST will net out

[worn sierra]

wait doesn't divine storm apply it? (srs q)

[hard widget]

Im very curious to see the math on this, however im conviced this is a nerf unless u play with a highly coordinated group

[sullen dove]

oh dot dam decreased didnt notice that rip, still cool ig tho if onuse feels better

[vivid peak]

I bet after seeing how it plays out tomorrow, it will barely change at the end of the day

[upper mica]

I believe it dosent as its not a weapon hit its a magic hit

[olive wraith]

Probably but isn’t it a spender

[sudden tusk]

no

[olive wraith]

Oh maybe not

[sudden tusk]

divine storm doesnt apply it

only physical hits

[young swan]

nice at least that u dont have to pool rage before lego and instead want to ramp before it

[sudden tusk]

so every class but us sucked at spreading the dot

[dense elbow]

It is faster, so will feel better. So that is a win

[subtle raven]

@edgy widget is the dot nerf real or am i trippin

[hard widget]

@edgy widget Do you have any general estimation of when this would be able to get simmed for a realistic comparison?

[subtle raven]

from the leggo

[nova lintel]

pray it is a typo and it is actually 20% increase to the dot 🙂

[keen forum]

dot nerf really sucks that was the exciting part about playing it. getting rooted for any amount of time is never gonna be fun. doing damage that i was doing before but having to press a button to do it doesn't feel good. and any fight in raid that you didn't get that extra use out of bc it ended on an odd minute you now know that you are doing less damage than you would've before

[olive wraith]

It’s a blue post

[edgy widget]

Well the hotfix is tomorrow so….

[upper mica]

Technically after reset I'd say

[hard widget]

Yeah im not sure if this needs custom stuff done

Thats why im asking

[sudden tusk]

i mean if you CAN in an optimal situation

[hard widget]

Or if it just changed overnight type of thing (on raidbots)

[sudden tusk]

funnel the effect in M+ for prio damage

it is technically a decent change

but thats hard to do

[edgy widget]

Just wait for tomorrow

[hard widget]

I just dont understand why the change comes now, they couldve known the dmg patterns way before this and chose not to act on it. Right now it feels like they want to add more risk to the dmg gain of the legendary with little to (speculation) none upside to it

[young swan]

man i wish they would just ripcord item damage effects and make them interact with class cds again

would actually make the lego interesting

instead of this piss boring damage channel

[olive wraith]

Enrage and avatar

80% mastery when

[nova garnet]

True

Ret wouldve been so good

[young swan]

also make reck give real crit instead of spell crit

cringe ass spell

[young swan]

pretty sure ret cd's work with the lego anyways

[hard widget]

That would actually be a cool change yes

[modest condor]

just go spear

EM buffs the axe