fury

[eternal sundial]

That shit is so based

[silver mantle]

i.e It's gonan take 50 years

[clever path]

rets dont deserve it

[silver mantle]

no cap

[clever path]

That legendary literally doesnt speak paladin in style AT ALL

Its Warrior and DK looking legendary - end of story

[silver mantle]

Oh, yeah, I also don't have an augury

[clever path]

Paladins DONT deserve it

[eternal sundial]

Zzz

[silver mantle]

And the other warrior in the guild has both augury and legendary axe

How the fuck am I supposed to compete for a mythic raid spot

[unreal onyx]

@ mods pls implement augury + leggo role

[warm crag]

you can selfimpose it

[silver mantle]

Yeah, guilt trip them into carrying me in mythic smolderon

[warm crag]

i will put the fact that i have everything in my name and certainly not receive threats in my dms

[silver mantle]

That's gonna work

I knew this was going to be a shit legendary implementation but I didn't know it was going to be this bad.

Wish it could have been more like the shadowmourne questline. There, at least, you could argue who gets what and when

Sorry guys, just wanted to vent a bit. I'll be back next Sunday when I don't get it again.

[clever path]

this legendary is easy

just loot it

[past pivot]

Shadowmourne was much more difficult to obtain.

[clever path]

Yeah, it required being chosen one by your guild, and in 90% of the cases it was guild lead or his gf

[molten relic]

We have 9 mfs that can get leggo so shadowmourne ql would suck

Mfs would be raiding till next year to get it

[past pivot]

And only 1 person per raid could do the quest once a raid.

[wild mural]

fury warr ez pick surely

[junior gale]

Shadowmourne split raids ez

[past pivot]

Split raids back then. lol

[molten relic]

And if everyone auto gets it on deterministic quest it’s not very legendary lol

[past pivot]

Only a few guilds could successful pull that off

[silver mantle]

yeah but when having it vs. not having is = being picked for a raid spot or not

then it's kinda defeating the purpose, no?

Which is already happening in keys btw

[junior gale]

I really don't like this line of thinking this works in classic but this does not work in retail

[silver mantle]

Also, when your entire class is tuned around the prospect of you having the legendary, if 2 and a half months into the patch you still don't have the legendary, what does that mean?

means you are cucked out of a fair chance

[molten relic]

If ur being benched for not having leggo ur guild has other issues

[wild mural]

even with nerfs this boss gonna break my mental

[past pivot]

We’re at the 1/3 mark of the season iirc.

[silver mantle]

So, you're in a mythic progression guild. You're doing one of the 3 final bosses, which are hard as is. You have 2 warriors, when realistically you only need one for battle shout. One warrior has legendary + augury and the other doesn't. That alone is, according to my sims, 17k dps increase.

You mean to tell me you'd rather take the one without the legendary

Because that won't matter

[unreal onyx]

I would take the one that plays mechanics better

[past pivot]

The problem was blizzard set the false expectation that everyone would have the leggo by week 2. And the participation trophies, I mean embers, only compounded that problem

[unreal onyx]

as you don't need 17k DPS to kill a boss or not

[silver mantle]

This is assuming both are mechanically-good players

Which, I like to believe, we both are

[past pivot]

What if one has the leggo and one has the augury and 2 489s?

[unreal onyx]

that's a pretty specific scenario

but I wouldn't put leggo as mandatory to kill the last 3 bosses

[silver mantle]

Boy, I wish the world was a fair place where i could realistically have augury

Sadly, all the gear went to the other guy

I'm out here rocking roots and signet

[clever path]

i got a lot of death threats when i got it week 1 from community raid

[silver mantle]

Not to mention the dude was lucky enough to get 489 Gorehowl week 2

He's literally rocking the 2 best weapons rn + the top trinket

for all forms of content

[molten relic]

This late into the season dps shouldn’t even be an issue everyone is 487+

If ur guild is stilll progging 17kdps isn’t the issue

[unreal onyx]

just take whoever is the most dependable

progging with a guy that has good gear but cancels every 4th raid

isn't the play

[silver mantle]

I get your point and it's really valid. But from a point of optimization, considering both players are equally skilled, you'd obviously take the one that will have mote damage output

[graceful rapids]

I’d take the one that whines the least.

[left perch]

They did?

[silver mantle]

That's why I'm whining here, where they won't look 😄

[graceful rapids]

Ha

Yea it’s tough

Just do your best with what you’ve got

Keep your head down and out game him

[silver mantle]

W/e. It just sucks that warrior is cucked as is this patch and needs a legendary, in order to even perform close to other specs.

A legendary that a significant portion of the playerbase won't get to enjoy this patch at all

You're shot in the leg from the very beginning of the race.

[past pivot]

Didn’t they? They could have been more transparent about the embers and when people could realistically expect to have the leggo if they killed HC each week.

[stark zealot]

I got 489 Augury in vault like week 3 and 483 Signet in vault the next week but still rocking x2 483 weapons

[unreal onyx]

no gnarl hammer?

[stark zealot]

Nope lol

No sword off Smolderon either

[acoustic furnace]

I have LFR Augury and it makes me sad

Still 4k higher than my next best trinket but still sad

[hardy cargo]

id trade my 489 wep for an augury in a heartbeat lol

[acoustic furnace]

Even a champion one?

[hardy cargo]

idk about an lfr one

[acoustic furnace]

It isn't TERRIBLE but still leaves a bit to be desired

[hardy cargo]

im pretty sure augury wont beat out my pips until hc bc mythic pips

[left perch]

Yea idk how anybody would interpret that as “everyone gets it by week 2”

Especially since that’s almost never the case

[molten relic]

Idk we just saw our second one

I got mine 4 resets ago

And we have 9 who can loot it

[acoustic furnace]

All imma say is that the folks who are using greater embers every week should have that shit by now. Either that or don't balance 2H STR classes around it.

[unreal onyx]

true, I only need 1 of the 2 I have

[molten relic]

Of those 9 the two that didn’t reroll got it

[hardy cargo]

lol ya idc about oh wep that much ill get orange stick soon

[unreal onyx]

I have 2 489 and leggo is what I mean in my case

[wild mural]

same

[unreal onyx]

gnarl hammer and tott axe with speed

[wild mural]

i need augury so bad

[unreal onyx]

just loot it

[hardy cargo]

I got gorehowl 489 I was luck

[wild mural]

I'll upgrade this

[hardy cargo]

but rocking without lego and augury at this point i nthe tier blows man

[molten relic]

Ya I got a gorehowl week two

With speed

[unreal onyx]

I have that one too

[wild mural]

lets gooo

[hardy cargo]

indestructable

(im poor I needed it)

[acoustic furnace]

Just do LFR for a chance at baby Augury. It sucks to be low ilvl yes but it'll still put out like 15 million damage on a good pull.

[molten relic]

Woulda preferred leech

15m from augury

On one pull?

[hardy cargo]

2 resets ago I had myself and 2 friends go I roll a 98 got beat by a 99 🙂 (in lfr)

[molten relic]

Lol

[silver mantle]

He was just exaggerating

[hardy cargo]

and it was to an enh shaman I think someone who doesnt even like it very much

[molten relic]

Just get leggo and it will do 20m on one pull

[silver mantle]

if lfr augury did 15mil on a pull, then blizzard would really need to step up their balancing game

[acoustic furnace]

That's rough lol. I just got lucky. The dude who won it was on an alt and gave it to me.

[hardy cargo]

honeslty im prolly just bitching about it too much, lfr augury is definitely worse than my myth track pips

like all things considered my gear is fine

[acoustic furnace]

On fights with adds (almost every single fight in the raid) it can giga pump with good proc RNG. I gotcha baby imma screenshot results after raid Tuesday (unless heroic rnjesus hooks me up).

[molten relic]

Idk I’ve never had it do 15m on a pull

Certainly not on heroic

[silver mantle]

There's no fight in this current raid that will allow augury to hit 15mil

In mythic+, sure

[molten relic]

Maybe if ur doing 30man heroic with 10 Carries

[silver mantle]

But not in raid

[molten relic]

But no chance it’s doing 15m in heroic raid with a real group lol

[forest owl]

does anyone have a website regarding the stats on whose acquired the axe so far? i saw a screenshot with figures but cant get a source on it

[silver mantle]

No but I can tell you that everybody except me has the legendary.

Source: Trust me.

[molten relic]

I’m sure wcl has a % of logs since it tracks leggo like a trinket

[wild mural]

I dont have leggo (not misinformation)

[forest owl]

and me and the dk and ret pally in my guild, but our prot pally who doesnt play ret got it, also a warrior alt got it after like 2 clears of the raid ever lol

[junior gale]

It do be like that

[hardy cargo]

yeah a socials alt got it 2 weeks ago now or something

idk if ive seen him log back in to that toon since he looted and crafted it lol

[clever path]

[molten relic]

The rng is def wild

[sage smelt]

Mine took 5-6 heroic kills, 5-6 greaters over various difficulties, and around 10 lessers and finally dropped on Thursday

[molten relic]

Cause I seen pics of 6 dropping at once

Meanwhile we have 9 mfs and only have seen 2

[unreal onyx]

crazy how rng works

[acoustic furnace]

Me clearing every week to get nothing just for my friend to get his week 8 when he paid for his AOTC.

[molten relic]

Yuh

[hardy cargo]

I feel like embers shouldnt have been click this to gain x amount change to loot it, instead shouldve given us a quest o nthe first one and after we collect x amount of embers we just get the axe

[clever path]

never getting that axe

its either wednesday or nothin

[hardy cargo]

make it deteministic so in case of bad luck everyone gets it and it doesnt feel like dogshit

[acoustic furnace]

You'll get it one week before end of season

If that happens to me me I delet warrior and main my rogue/druid

[molten relic]

Idk we have 7 who rerolled to 2h str

And none of them have it yet

[wild mural]

warr kinda pumps on tindral

[junior gale]

But then you got all the forum weirdos who go it's not a legendary if everyone has it

[molten relic]

The only two we’ve gotten is me and the dude who’s always dk

[unreal onyx]

deserved

[oblique trail]

outlaw lol

[molten relic]

And I’m war since vanilla

[unreal onyx]

subtract bomb dmg

[oblique trail]

If they were sub they'd do over twice that damage

good meme

[young swan]

very true

[wild mural]

this is the guy who throughout Sark prog played Spear

[clever path]

it hurt the other day when a boosted dude with 418 ilvl on heroic raid got the lege

i legit was so pissed

[wild mural]

instead of raoar

[clever path]

i went outside

[molten relic]

I did see a 424 boosted char loot it on lfr

When I was on my alt

[wild mural]

thats just how wow works

[hardy cargo]

I go comment on their post to tell them to fuck themselves

[oblique trail]

Does he just play what sims the highest in 5 min 1 target patchwerk on all fights

[clever belfry]

balls

[wild mural]

iguess so

[clever belfry]

nah

nah

nah

nah

not a real thing

[hardy cargo]

play spear so your team cant troll you and knock the adds out of melee

[wild mural]

lorrgs doesnt track avatar?

[oblique trail]

It does

[wild mural]

wait

im an idiot

[wild mural]

im tryna figure out how to use my CDs in p2

[unreal onyx]

ravager

[clever path]

good luck seeing area of effect with CHAMPIONS SPEAR

that shit is invisible

[unreal onyx]

I send pot + reck + of on shield

[wild mural]

thank fuck Im not specced into it

[unreal onyx]

then OF on 1st roots

and then ava + roar on 2nd roots

[wild mural]

then OF first roots, av+roar 2nd and fly 3rd?

ye

[unreal onyx]

ye

[wild mural]

noice thats what I was thinking

whatever im doing its working

fury strong 💪

[cosmic lance]

You stop that, fury is bad and you're not allowed up there

[wild mural]

I wont get down! you're not my dad

[cosmic lance]

Not one purple class in sight is nice tho

[languid echo]

What does "fly" mean?

[wild mural]

On mythic you need to collect feather, fly up and grab bombs

If you’re assigned

[languid echo]

Ah ok

[unreal onyx]

what point was the wipe

bc all these DPS seem pretty low

compared to the wipes we have

[oblique trail]

That has to be p2

[wild mural]

p2 2nd roots

[oblique trail]

Like

yeah

[unreal onyx]

we just wiped before p2 2nd time flying

and the top 6 I see in my details are all over 300k

313k at 6th

[wild mural]

we're barely making p2 atm

[warm crag]

noob

genuine question what actually kills you after the nerfs

[wild mural]

like, yeah

[warm crag]

is it just p1 dispells and positional mistakes

[wild mural]

yeah pretty much

ppl dieing with dispell in p1

etc

[warm crag]

how

boss literally yells astral break at u

[oblique trail]

Astral Avalanche

[wild mural]

I know

I dont get it

[warm crag]

silence you have to deal with burning better than you fight

[oblique trail]

I'm currently dealing with grasping snarl

[wild mural]

its not a warrior fault

warrior strong 💪 big dps

[warm crag]

the heavens fall

why the fuck are there foil maps

what the fuck am i gonna do with a foil oba's cursed trove

oh i actually hit a good valdo map

[oblique trail]

Jokes on you I knew this already because I have a foil Acton's Nightmare!

I could've told you this so you would never open the reliquary key to find out yourself

[warm crag]

foil progenesis in a map that doesnt void you

[oblique trail]

Void me

[keen shadow]

Hey guys, got to Tindral prog preparation, was wondering if we favor going in the first or the second group for the feathers?

[oblique trail]

the 2nd group

[unreal onyx]

preferrably neither

[clever belfry]

@warm crag döner 3€

[unreal onyx]

gaming

(not)

[fast mural]

now show the log dmg without the dragon divebombs

[keen shadow]

tyty

[warm crag]

my name is marcel davis

[wild mural]

wait wroing pull

💪

[clever belfry]

one and one

[warm crag]

fair and transparent

[clever belfry]

fair and transparent

[warm crag]

fair and transparent

[light nova]

Can you get gorehowl from vault?

[oblique trail]

yes

Any dungeon drop you can get from the vault

[worn karma]

how do i get this character sheet addon

[warm crag]

narcissus

[wild mural]

^

[worn karma]

thats the addon narcissus?

[wise mango]

Progging Tindral rn, anyone having the problem that Odyns fury Avatar proc is not removing the Root? Could it be that its not removing if its prolonging avatar?

[clever belfry]

yes

[modest condor]

that's exactly what it is yes

[warm crag]

ye if avatar is active you cannot break your root

standard play is to hold avatar until 0:50

[worn karma]

cool thanks guys

[wise mango]

okay, ty <3

[gusty cloak]

how come double wafting sims best? isnt mh sophic and oh wafting better?

[oblique trail]

Because it's the best for your character

Like there's not much more to it than it's a better setup, although sophic gains value in AoE scenarios

[warm crag]

mh/oh doesnt matter and it sims best cause it make your number biggest out of all setups you selected

double wafting isnt very unusual

[gusty cloak]

gotcha gotcha

[oblique trail]

Some people have writs sim better than one of the enchants as well, like earthen writ

[gusty cloak]

it was a significant different like 500+ dps

[clever belfry]

biggest kings

dont enchant

[wild mural]

my guild might be giving up :/

[warm crag]

??

[wild mural]

people are burning out bad

[clever belfry]

tell them not to

[wild mural]

i wish

[warm crag]

if anda made it then your guild can too

[clever belfry]

??

[midnight jackal]

I got mine last Tuesday, am already feeling the burn-out lol. I'll keep going just to help out the others though, it's only fair

[clever belfry]

i had top3 mental in our guild spongie

[warm crag]

you are a dragon

[barren stone]

hold a speech @wild mural why they need to stay strong

[wild mural]

they need to learn the warrior mentality

keep hitting your head against the wall, it'll break eventually

the braindamage is a positive

[clever belfry]

yes so i needed

50% more mental fortitude baseline

[warm crag]

real

[clever belfry]

to survive

[oblique trail]

power word fortitude irl

[barren stone]

thats the way @wild mural 🙏

[warm crag]

we're watching hc nymue prog do u wanna join?

[clever belfry]

watching

what

where

[clever path]

hc prog?

[wild mural]

hc prog?:O

[stray temple]

Is there anyone who play SMF fury warrior, and may help me with something?

[olive wraith]

What do you need help with

Think everyone that plays semi memes it

[wild mural]

Ultimate padder

[stray temple]

I am trying to make some talent build and also having problem with stats

if i have to build more crit or haste

[olive wraith]

Copy the main talent build

Remove the point in slaughtering strikes and place in smf

[wild mural]

Im trying to break my muscle memory of just prepotting always

it's hard

[olive wraith]

You can try taking out a point in vicious contempt for flurry. But you should be able to sim the diff

[clever path]

brotha

[wild mural]

SMF only works on ST really

[olive wraith]

Same thing with stats. Robot still knows best

[clever path]

dont try to reinvent the wheel, our lord and all seeing father has blessed us with great build

[wild mural]

on aoe you just don't have the points to take it

[clever path]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents?area=area_2

[wild mural]

with the current build

[clever path]

Regarding this - you have to sim.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[olive wraith]

Slaughtering strikes is the only good option for a moveable point

The second point is tougher

[stray temple]

ye i was wondering about vicious contempt but bloodbath make top dmg so

[olive wraith]

You’re also playing smf

You can sim the diff

[clever path]

yes

[wild mural]

cringe

[clever path]

silence

[olive wraith]

The only other point you could probably take out is bloodborne I guess. But that is a pretty big loss for aoe

So I think VC is the lesser of the two evils

[untold heart]

I got the leggo. When if ever do I use the on use ability?

[stray temple]

thanks a lot

[olive wraith]

Check the pins

[edgy widget]

what are we trying to drop?

[olive wraith]

He was asking smf build

[edgy widget]

in ST, drop Massacre

in MT, drop BC/SS

[clever path]

#fury message

[edgy widget]

You don't need Frenzied Flurry, even as SMF it's an exceedingly weak talent

[wild mural]

(i took it cause AAing at the speed of light is funny)

[olive wraith]

Ah so only 1 talent needed

That’s not horrible I guess

[clever path]

Archie, can we get maybe a command / macro for the pin link?

[edgy widget]

it doesn't actually increase your attack speed, just damage
and +30% isn't bad, but AAs aren't that much of your damage

[wild mural]

😮

I feel lied to

[edgy widget]

no, I'm definitely not pinning SMF info as its not a recommended build

[clever path]

Nonono, not the SMF LOL. The legendary tldr from you

that pin

[cosmic lance]

Its in the pins already?

[olive wraith]

Can just refer people to the pins

[edgy widget]

talking about this?
#fury message

[clever path]

Yeah, but a command to link it. So many people asking and then noone knows where pins are and because i have good heart and not lazy i go to pins copy link send it recieve no thanks and then cry and then yea

[clever path]

yes, but so that we could write something like !Pin or whatever so that yknow, it auto links

[edgy widget]

no, this server doesn't have automated commands

[clever path]

oh okay

[olive wraith]

My brother. The whole expansion people been asking for stuff in pins

[clever path]

we are like omish people

[cosmic lance]

Amish?

[barren dagger]

AMISH?

[clever path]

Sorry not american

[olive wraith]

Just hit em with the

[clever path]

Amish, yes

that actually works too, thanks

[edgy widget]

perhaps it can be reevaluated at some point, but the idea of using automated bot commands has been consistently voted down by the collective admins

[clever path]

Yeah thats totally okay. I mean, not like its neccesary and its more safer without them.
I ma just save the link on my desktop txt file and just copy paste it whenever someone asks

[oblique trail]

Or just direct them to the pins

[clever path]

What if they cant find or dont know what pins are lol

[oblique trail]

Teach them

[clever path]

i mean, on the offchance, which is unlikely, but still

thats harder than linking a pin

[barren dagger]

guys i think we're not the worst spec. frost dk might be worse altogether

[oblique trail]

So you want to help but not that much

[clever path]

hmmm

[edgy widget]

don't need to bash the guy - the request isn't out of line, it's just not something that this server currently does

[clever path]

lets forget it, lets see how it goes. im sorry i inturrupted your smf talk

[jovial coral]

We neva forget

[wild mural]

SMF is fun as hell

shame that it sucks

[clever path]

Just gotta get blizzard to allow mogging two-handers to one-handers

[cosmic lance]

Pretty sure they've kept saying its a technical limitation?

[olive wraith]

Limit dn

[clever path]

Heh, imagine next expansion though somehow, they are going to make smf viable

[edgy widget]

sure as shit hope not

[olive wraith]

Why can’t bloodthirst be base line

[warm crag]

die smf die

[olive wraith]

And they could make a tg/smf choice node at the top

[gilded pawn]

because every spec has random garbo abilities baseline

[edgy widget]

it practically is, but the real answer is to pad out the talent tree 😆

[gilded pawn]

but tg smf node at the top is fine

[olive wraith]

Ye

[edgy widget]

it's not fine

[gilded pawn]

i think either or could work

[edgy widget]

They actually tried that in alpha

[gilded pawn]

but it wasnt choice node was it

it was some weird shape

[edgy widget]

the issue isn't getting to the SMF talent, the issue is that you can't balance the two together

[edgy widget]

it was for a time

[clever path]

I wonder what would they put instead of smf node

BLADESTORM

[edgy widget]

and even if you could balance the two together, it creates new problems for players

[olive wraith]

Ya I guess balancing would be wonky

[edgy widget]

the last thing anyone wants is to juggle four weapons across two exclusive sets

literally nobody in their right mind wants that, nor would it be good for anyone

[olive wraith]

Would you need to if they were theoretically balanced

[junior gale]

remember when arms had a talent that worked off what weapon you had equiped

[edgy widget]

I sympathize with people who want SMF to be more competitive or even best, but SMF hasn't been Fury's theme in over 15 years

[edgy widget]

remember how quickly it got removed? lol

[junior gale]

thank god it did

[edgy widget]

yes, you would, because availability is not always balanced

not to mention nuances that can't really ever be balanced, as anyone who plays WoW at a reasonably high level should be familiar with

[clever path]

I had this question lingering for a while,

Since arms can use shield block, is it like

ever useful

[edgy widget]

nope

[hasty path]

[clever path]

why is it there anyway btw? whats the reasoning?

[oblique trail]

Fury can use it as well

btw

[edgy widget]

well, arguably there is extremely niche application in PvP

but it is so niche as to be practically never used

[hasty path]

Most likely weird classic flavor they just won’t budge on

They make a lot of weird decisions with odd unused abilities like that

Like how monks have zen flight which I don’t even think has been usable in at least 2 xpacs

[edgy widget]

So Shadowlands introduced something call the "great unpruning" in which they restored a lot of "iconic" class-wide abilities that had been removed in order to reduce bloat over the years

Mostly niche and "fun" stuff like Eyes of the Beast, Far Sight, Eye of Kilrogg, Shiv, etc

[hasty path]

Pickpocketing

[junior gale]

its the same with survival getting access to arcane shot even tho it requires a bow to use

[edgy widget]

Except Warriors didn't really have any of that stuff to begin with

[oblique trail]

Dw eventually they'll re-add stance dancing

[edgy widget]

they already did

so instead they mostly just made a handful of otherwise spec specific spells classwide, for example:

• Prot got Whirlwind (that it never uses)
• Arms & Fury got Shield Slam/Block (that they never use)

[cosmic lance]

And locked our actually useful utility behind talents

[oblique trail]

I would not consider the current stance swapping outright dancing

[edgy widget]

There were a few wins there - Arms got Piercing Howl again, Challenging Shout was readded (though Arms/Fury don't use it much)

[edgy widget]

this was pre-DF talents, so no not really at the time

[cosmic lance]

Oh back in SL unpruning, i misread

[edgy widget]

they're never gonna readd the kind that existed prior to WoD

[oblique trail]

I know

And I personally wouldn't want it added either

[clever path]

wawit wait wait, i see all those abilities now. Especially on my rogue: Shiv, pickpocket, lockpick all that jazz.

So they took it away, then brought it back?

[cosmic lance]

Yes

[edgy widget]

yeah they took away a lot of that kinda stuff in Legion (aka: the Pruning) in order to reduce button bloat

mostly aimed at stuff like Far Sight or Unending Breath that had flavor but not a lot of practical use

[clever path]

Oh i see

[edgy widget]

and then people complained about the loss of flavor, so in SL they "unpruned" a lot of them back

cept Warriors never had a whole lot of it to begin with

so they "gave us back" a lot of shit we don't use anyway

[clever path]

Heroic strike

[cosmic lance]

At one time shiv was actually used a fair bit tbf

[edgy widget]

Yeah, Shiv has gone back and forth - again, speaking in generalities here (and remember the timeframe)

[clever path]

What happened to heroic strike btw? was it gone for a long time ?

[edgy widget]

Heroic Strike was removed in WoD; Prot had it for awhile as a big part of Glad Stance, but then that got nuked as well

[cosmic lance]

It did have some semi-interesting nuance in tbc/classic, idk if that carried forward

[clever path]

didn't play wod (sadly) is it this one?

i hear a lot of people saying that this was top shelf stuff

[edgy widget]

Gladiator Stance was almost an exact replica of 5.4 Fury, a very well liked playstyle that they ruined in WoD

So it was pretty well liked on a number of levels

• people who enjoyed the 5.4 Fury rotation
• people who liked the idea of Sword & Shield DPS
• tanks who wanted more flexibility without playing actual DPS specs
• it was new, without actually replacing anything else (the Surv/Outlaw problem)

[long prairie]

rip little angel

[clever path]

sword and shield dps sounds fire

spear and shield

[long prairie]

was fun

[clever path]

sparta style

and it was viable?

[long prairie]

not so much

[hasty path]

It currently is a major assa button isn’t it

[long prairie]

if i recall

[cosmic lance]

I don't know tbh

[oblique trail]

It is yes

[edgy widget]

it was kinda doomed from the start though - couldn't tune it on par with or above actual DPS specs without devaluing them, and the rotation was driven by an HS spamming talent called Unyielding Strikes that led to massive APM

so they ended up nerfing it repeatedly and then tossing it after WoD

was a neat idea and even well enjoyed, but just didn't really mesh well with the overall game paradigm

anyway, yeah - so to say they were giving us something "back" in the unpruning, they mostly gave Warriors shit we don't use anyway, like Sblock and SSlam

[tall turret]

Ah 5.4 fury, good times

[restive peak]

Just make our set cleave, or make WW up to 8 targets, GG we are better. Thanks for coming to my tedtalk

Glad was wild though

[tall turret]

Heavy hitting storm bolt was fun

[long prairie]

and add us a BL

[edgy widget]

Getting back to this, it's worth noting that SMF isn't required to DW 1h weapons - that effect is baseline. All SMF does is make it slightly better, so the better option would just be to remove the talent and bake the value in baseline

That said, it still would not, and still should not make SMF "competitive" without creating a whole bunch of other issues. Short of the transmog solution (which would still be best, if Blizz would commit to it), the most we can hope for is SMF to remain a novelty for people who really want to enjoy it, without disrupting the rest of the playerbase

[long prairie]

i just want to use thunderfury

pls blizz

listen to us

[edgy widget]

roll rogue 🙃

[long prairie]

[edgy widget]

its their artifact skin after all!

[clever path]

I think having more weapons with different appearances is such underused thing blizzard ever did

[restive peak]

BL does nothing for us

[edgy widget]

It'd be pretty low impact, but they're definitely not giving it to Prot

[restive peak]

You will never realistically be in a group without mage/evoker etc, and definitely not often enough to make us desireable

[wide egret]

wouldnt mind us staying capped if it meant that we're harder to beat in <5 target without or without CDs.

[long prairie]

people will invite us more in pug

and it dont change balance

win win

[restive peak]

Would defeat the purpose, it would only be applicable in M+ and you never pull 5 or less except the odd niche

[stark zealot]

It's utility that people want for keys. Not everyone realistically runs with a Mage/Evoker every time lol

[edgy widget]

BL ain't the reason you're not getting into pugs

[restive peak]

I can promise you a BL would barely be useful

[wide egret]

thematically I think warrior having a BL should makes sense.

[long prairie]

ye a back banner

[edgy widget]

BL is very rarely an important factor in keys anyway, natural lust is not a big enough improvement over it for something you use only a few times per run

[restive peak]

Give us banner again, give us something unique

[edgy widget]

no, hell no

[restive peak]

I've timed a few 28/29s this season with drums, BL is not as big a deal as you think vs drums

I know I'm kidding Arch XD

[wide egret]

i liked the idea of banner but never used it. was a big ancient aftershock fan

[humble plover]

^

Miss that one

[wide egret]

same.

[restive peak]

AA was sick, but still won't change much

[edgy widget]

They almost did add Skull Banner to the talent tree

and it would have been horrible; it's just talent tax that you end up taking and using for other people

[wide egret]

just felt bad since SL felt like a very mobile xpac so people constantly moving out of it

[edgy widget]

its the same reason Shaman don't like Windfury, but (arguably) even more annoying to use

[dreamy notch]

I remember skull banner ye

But i would have liked necro banner

Instead of spear

[edgy widget]

That's basically Ravager

[stark zealot]

My m+ group doesn't have a BL pretty consistently. Give Warrior BL and add a dispel to Heroic Throw imo. A valkyrie for a brez wouldn't be bad either

[edgy widget]

lol

[humble plover]

Eww

[edgy widget]

so you want lust, an offensive dispel, and a brez

anything else you want? bubble and cheat death perhaps?

[stark zealot]

I want literally anything bud

[edgy widget]

maybe Lay on Hands?

[dreamy notch]

Hahaha

[edgy widget]

sounds like you want literally everything!

[humble plover]

Bubble bath and nachos sound good

[wide egret]

Some type of Undying Rage so we can't die for like 5 secodns and heal up.

[fluid imp]

Lay on hands can just be another shout we have

[humble plover]

Can we have that too

[hasty path]

dual wielding shields s1 tww. shield block does damage now. gg

[dreamy notch]

A valkyr to ress sounds super cringe tbf

As a warrior

[hasty path]

monk should be the class getting brez if anyone lmao

[fluid imp]

aoe lay on hands

[stark zealot]

I'm sorry if I don't think it's good to force people to use meta classes lol

[hasty path]

warr makes sense for lust

[hasty path]

brother that will happen no matter what

[wide egret]

Give me a spec where I dual weild shields and throw one of them like Cpt. America for my damaging abilities

[edgy widget]

nobody forcing player to use meta classes, but none of those things would make Warrior meta

[hasty path]

that is on the community more than it is the devs

[stuck bison]

-mom i want bl
-we have bl at home
-bl at home is drums

[cyan turtle]

FFXIV is a game for u my man

[dreamy notch]

Yes warr makes sense for lust, no it wont change anything

[stark zealot]

Of course it will happen no matter what but more classes should have utility

[hasty path]

if everyone is homogenized to have the same utility, game becomes boring

[restive peak]

I'd be happier if we embraced being damdam and they left utility alone tbh; let us do DH dmg.

[hasty path]

i would rather embrace niches than homogenize

[humble plover]

I like my utility. I don't like my target cap

[stark zealot]

Yeah FFXIV does a good job in PvP. They just give you defensives and utility if you class doesn't have one

[hasty path]

but that would require making niches actually work in their niche.

[edgy widget]

I get why people would like War to have lust, I'm just sayin it's not the magic bullet

[long prairie]

if only we have utility

[clever path]

Warrior exists to beat meta classes

[edgy widget]

the diff between drums and lust is so small, even in higher keys

[wide egret]

this is what i tell my friends. idk if I don't have util, just let me pump as i unga

[stark zealot]

I'm saying it would 100% help Warriors get more invites though

[hasty path]

unfortunately the devs seem intent on just adding random ass raid buffs rather than building actual niche

[hasty path]

this. so so many high keys are done with drums. Only reason that isn't the case the last 2 seasons is because mage + evoker are both meta regardless and happen to bring lust

[humble plover]

Nah man. Warlock doesn't have a lust and you'd still invite them over a shaman

[dreamy notch]

Warr can be meta, if the meta is AP based then it fits really well

[long prairie]

they have cr

[dreamy notch]

Currently warr has no use in a dh/mage comp

[stark zealot]

Yeah but most players have small brains and don't use drums

[restive peak]

That's a player issue that's fixable, not a class issue.

[hasty path]

this is irrelevant

[restive peak]

You could just bring drums and put drums in your note when you app

Problem solved

[molten relic]

Bring drums?

[long prairie]

ye but for people 15 is not 30 so no invite

[molten relic]

Problem solved

[restive peak]

I run DH/Mage/Fury and we're 3620

[molten relic]

Drums are like 60gold

[hasty path]

not even 4k whats the point man

uninstall

[molten relic]

Imagine not being 6k io

[stark zealot]

It's not fixable. Do you guys play the same game as me? People in 16s want Aug and only invite meta classes when they can't do simple interrupts and mechanics anyway lol

[dreamy notch]

Thats all nice and dandy but besides the point

[hasty path]

if you have trouble getting into 16s idk what to say to you man

[molten relic]

Just make ur own group

[dreamy notch]

Also, nobody asked

[hasty path]

the meta is fucking irrelevant

[molten relic]

But also the people who want augs in 16 have brain damage

[restive peak]

Besides what point? You said something that isn't true based on nothing, and I answered you.

[molten relic]

And it’s not a majority

[restive peak]

You're right bae D:

[hasty path]

i would argue that the majority of people doing 16s have brain damage tbf

[stark zealot]

I'm just under 3.1k but that doesn't mean people under my io don't exist

[molten relic]

Yeah but not the kind of brain damage that wants Aug and meta classes in 16s

When u can solo dps a 16

[hasty path]

yea

[long prairie]

i have 3K2 rio cant find a group for 22+

[restive peak]

Anyone struggling to do 16s is an idiot, and could just run their own key and be past 16s in 3hrs

[long prairie]

488 ilvl

[hasty path]

have u tried networking, putting your own groups together, and keeping communication so that you can always find people who know you're a good player and will invite you to their groups regardless because you've proven yourself and they trust you

[long prairie]

my key was 26 got trolled 4 time now 22 cant find nobody to up it

gg wait next week

[restive peak]

Too many of you think it's because you're a warr; it's because approx 200 DPS apply per key and there are 3 spots, and there's a decent chance the leader is a DPS

[long prairie]

yes and all others dps have group utility exept us

and we dont have dh dmg

[hasty path]

yes dh has insane group util

oh there it is another goalpost moved

[restive peak]

My dude

[hasty path]

couldnt even respond in time

[molten relic]

Idk why y’all are trying to pug 25s

[restive peak]

You will not convince me you can't get into 22s

Since I'm way past it and pugged past 26s before finally finding 4 peeps to mostly run with

[stark zealot]

You guys can regurgitate the same tips 50 youtube videos have said over and over. Of course it's doable, no one is saying it isn't. The point still stands: it's dumb to have something like m+ that requires specific utilities and have some classes with all of them and others with none

[molten relic]

You get literally nothing extra past 20s there is no reason to pug

[hasty path]

if i can get into 22s and 23s on my WW offspec, you can get into them on your warr

[hasty path]

or you can make friends and get invites

[hardy cargo]

as soon as this was announced my rl mage was in my dms asking me about making sure I keep track of him to give it for his combust. was cancer

[restive peak]

Ok so "don't argue with my whining, MY WHINING IS RIGHT AND YOU'RE ALL WRONG REEE"

[molten relic]

The dumbest shit about m+ is affixes that some classes can not interact with

[restive peak]

Just clarifying

[hasty path]

real

idk what they were thinking with the new affixes

[restive peak]

Yes, the 2 new affixes need to die

[hasty path]

that just... shit on rogues, warr, and dk

[molten relic]

Afflicted makes no sense since half the classes cannot do anything bout them

[stark zealot]

I was never whining, I was just trying to state my opinion and a few of you got super offended by it lol

[restive peak]

We're not offended and it's so weird how aggressive your responses are while thinking others are the issue

[stark zealot]

That's weird because I thought your responses were really aggressive when mine weren't

[restive peak]

You are A. angry B. making shit up C. get more angry/make more shit up when you're corrected by people who actually play at the level you're complaining about

We are definitely not good, but we are definitely not unplayable dogwater

[stark zealot]

I'm not angry? What? lol

[restive peak]

We could use some dmg buffs for sure, BL would do absolutely zero

[hasty path]

im frankly not even saying the "list your own key" thing most people say. Because that doesn't always work. But I know from my -own experience- playing offmeta stuff for years that the best way to deal with it is to make friends, add them, and build rapport/reputation

[restive peak]

And almost every player struggles past 25s w/o some sense of a community/relationships, not just DPS warriors

[stark zealot]

I pug keys and get invites and I have a dedicated friend group I play with a lot. I know we're fine.

[clever path]

[molten relic]

So what are u on about then

[cyan turtle]

Great night entertainment

[molten relic]

U literally saying people decline you in 16s because they want augs

[modest condor]

i think giving bl to a class does increase their chances of getting invited into pugs

because even if objectively speaking drums are fine even up to like 28-29 level, when it comes to pugs everybody always wants a bl

[tulip swallow]

people won't run without a bloodlust, yeah

[cosmic lance]

Yeah it definitely does help some. There's plenty of groups that will sit there waiting for a lust class rather than bring a warrior as their 5th

[restive peak]

Sure, but it doesn't fix warriors actual issues is the point.

[modest condor]

and when a group has 4 people and they're missing bl, being a bl class really increases your chances of being invited

[stark zealot]

All I said is it would be cool if Wariors had some more utility and people got up in arms about it about for some reason lol

[long prairie]

never say that, we say it will help us find group more quicker

thats the point

[clever path]

The aug I want

[wide egret]

i'd bring this to my party

wait

that sounds bad. meant M+ party

[restive peak]

Tbh I think the other guy was throwing the fit and we mistook it for Antihero

[cosmic lance]

Last week wasn't so bad but when you get weeks like this, where you're after 3 dispels, bloodlust, battle rezzes etc

[cosmic lance]

It gets hard to fit a warrior into a group

[fading sky]

i mean in 25s i dont feel like aug is neeeded at all

opposite i actually feel most of em arent that good

[cosmic lance]

98% of augs are bait

[fading sky]

and the uptome on buffs

[hasty path]

aug players suck giga ss

[fading sky]

just did 25 brh

[clever path]

@clever belfry

[fading sky]

pres uptime 63% and EB 51%

isnt that pretty low ?

[hasty path]

yep

not great lmao

[modest condor]

i've timed 27 without either an aug or a lust

[tulip swallow]

Having bloodlust is almost equivalent to being a healer or tank in terms of actually getting into pug keys, it's a world of difference

[modest condor]

could easily time 28 as well in most keys

[stark zealot]

Yeah that was in response to someone saying fix players mental who are doing 16s. They're NOT fixable lol

[fading sky]

yeye aug just makes it slightly easier to live nghl

[restive peak]

We only bring aug to the keys where dmg is the biggest fear, our aug plays his mage otherwise

[cosmic lance]

I did a 24 BRH the other day to try fix my key and the aug did tank damage even after accounting for the weird math details/logs do

[clever path]

I lost this conversation long ago

Truly I just want to gear my rogue and test that bad boy in m+

[cosmic lance]

I know its not helping most players, but Echo literally were doing 30s with no aug and drums

[fading sky]

im trying to start gearing a ret

but starting in low keys

[restive peak]

There are keys you drop the aug

There are also some 29/30s you wouldn't drop the aug

It should be me swappin to aug but our mage does it; I'm too zugzug to swap

[cosmic lance]

No they were just playing their characters, they were doing it for ages.

It wasn't some giga brain strat

To min/max

It was literally, these are our geared characters we're doing keys

[restive peak]

Yeah but I mean some of the other higher teams drop the aug for certain keys

Like you probably want aug for TOTT/EB

[cosmic lance]

Yeah any time you're scared of dying before you're worried about dmage output aug is probably the play

[humble plover]

I wish I wasn't so zug

My tank will play whatever needed to push. And I'm just unga bunga warrior bonk

[modest condor]

unless the aug is the one that keeps dying lmao

[cosmic lance]

yeah that's an issue for sure

[modest condor]

honestly something like mage, ret, fury, your whole group is so insanely tanky

[clever belfry]

real

[modest condor]

you also have mass barrier, sac and rally in case your healer is squishy

[cosmic lance]

ret/fury seems to pair fairly well

[meager void]

ret,fury, lock is also tanky af

[modest condor]

until you realise dh just does more aoe than ret while still keeping up with fury st

[meager void]

resto shaman being the squishiest is a priviledge

[cosmic lance]

You lose the brez/bop/dispel swapping to DH is all, but yeah the damage difference is huge

[humble plover]

I like sleeping at night and respecting people so I can't main a DH

[meager void]

that's deep uwu

btw, wrong place and all but anyone knows wtf is up with that sub rogue + 2x fire mage comp?

[cosmic lance]

It was one team that felt like it was the best comp

And i believe they imploded the other week?

[modest condor]

yeah nerf got tilted and jpc left the group because of how he reacted

[meager void]

i figured it was meme but memes dont do 31s

[cosmic lance]

Nah its not a bad comp

But it helps having the best rogue player in the world and 2 of the best mages in the world

well, arguably the best rogue

[cosmic lance]

Yeah I saw a bunch of the VODs from it, whole situation was cringe

I didn't know if they'd made up or not

[restive peak]

Nerf is a fairly known whiner, so while I agree w them for being annoyed it's weird they're acting surprised

[cosmic lance]

It was more cringe that it didn't even matter, nobody died or anything

[restive peak]

Like...it's not the 1st time he's acted that way, won't be the last, and a lot of them act that way

[meager void]

there's a bill burr joke about this exact thing lol

[modest condor]

nerf procced his cheat

[cosmic lance]

That was earlier

[meager void]

the nerve to be surprised

[modest condor]

oh

[cosmic lance]

He procced his cheat on a pack, then the next pack after Elle overlapped his sweep

Because jpc died to gorger melees/maggots and he kinda panic stunned the next maggot pack

[edgy widget]

sounds like pretty typical wow streamer bullshit

[fringe flame]

Should I spend my two free sparks on vers/mas crafted belt and boots so I don't have to worry about farming Waycrest and Thicket?

[edgy widget]

anything for content 🙃

[cosmic lance]

Probably prioritise rings or something unless you have 489 already

486 + socket is pretty big

[fringe flame]

I already have 486 crafted rings

[restive peak]

People start raging in raid/M+ I just tell them to get over it and do better, it's so cringe man

[cosmic lance]

yeah can probably just craft whatever you have the worst ilvl in i guess

[restive peak]

Drives me nuts when people act like they've never died to a mechanic or caused a wipe or fucked up a CD, it literally happens to every player who does more than 8 keys a week 2-3x a week, if it didn't we'd all be 9/9M 4K IO

[mossy fox]

bad plays/keys happen

[restive peak]

^^^^^^^^

ALL THE FUCKIN TIME at high levels lmao

It's part of the game

[cosmic lance]

Yeah, it's not the first time that group has had internal drama though

[mossy fox]

i think often times top teams are just gonna be like that

[restive peak]

Also bro when you remove rets utility, it's legit last tier warr?? wtf??? 1min CDs go BRRRRR 2 buttons?

[modest condor]

Reminds me of one time in bfa, i had a decently high score, like top 1% or something, and i was pugging a siege of boralus a couple of levels below my average because it was my lowest key. And on the 2nd boss i died to a swirly and this guy starts yelling at me about how im such high rio and still fail an easy mechanic

[mossy fox]

only need 1 or 2 personalities like that in the group

[modest condor]

like dude if i never failed easy mechanics i wouldnt be pugging this key i would be on the frontpage of rio

[mossy fox]

my group pretty much has been vibing since i joined in s1 sl

[restive peak]

1 or 2 personalities in the group = I'll just peacefully say I don't wanna be here haha

[restive peak]

Lmfao right

And even then you'd still die to swirlies sometimes XD

[modest condor]

yeah

[cosmic lance]

Yep, sometimes you just miss stuff

I stood in a spider on Yazma the other ay

Just straight up couldn't see that shit

[restive peak]

My 4 rn is the same, we failed like 5 28/29s this week and it's just kinda...ah fuck, we should do better next time, next.

[clever belfry]

king king king

[clever belfry]

wdym

[restive peak]

Like if people are acting like Nerf was

[cosmic lance]

I could understand if they'd wiped because of it, maybe

But it literally caused absolutely no issues at all

[clever belfry]

i did not look into na m+ drama

[restive peak]

I enjoy competing, but I'm not gonna put up with people talking actively down to people

It's cringe as fuck

[clever belfry]

someone linked me a ONE HOUR max video about it

and i was like

[restive peak]

Either get over it or replace

[clever belfry]

shut the fuck up i do NOT care

[restive peak]

Hahaha yeah, I ain't watchin that

I did watch the clip though, and it was childish AF

I would've cringed and left group quietly after key

[cosmic lance]

I think the takeaway from it is, blizzard needs to fix those fkn gorgers

[restive peak]

Blizz should give Linc the leggo ON HIS WARRIOR; gotta add the disclaimer or my rat ass rets gonna get it Tues

[modest condor]

what, you dont want to spend an hour watching max so you know what opinion to have about something?

[restive peak]

Hahaha

[velvet elk]

Hey guys what settings do you use to sim fury in M+?

[restive peak]

Didn't he have like Dorki and Growl there to? Just having a 1 hr convo about a 30s clip?

CRINGEEEE

I'd vibe w @mossy fox for an hour talkin warr-life, but ain't spendin no hour of my life talkin about someone elses drama hahaha

[modest condor]

idk i didnt watch his video

[clever path]

Basically a little modicum of respect is too much to ask in online games i guess

[molten relic]

Noob

Imagine dying to mechanics

With high rio

[restive peak]

Me either, I was given soap notes by my raid lol

I did a quick key for aspects last Tues, like a 23 or some shit, few mistakes, ez time

[molten relic]

totally kidding ofc I die to trash before gnarlroot sometimes

[restive peak]

Got whispered after "you're the nicest high IO player I've ever seen"

[molten relic]

Too lazy to run outta the smash

[restive peak]

All I said was "no stress bois" and "gg, ty for the run!"

Pretty sad fuckin "nicest ever" expectation

People on the internet suck

[molten relic]

Yes

[chilly fractal]

And this was after you told them you slept with their sister right? /s

[restive peak]

It's also sad that since I have a higher IO than the key the assumption was that I would be some elitist dickhead

[restive peak]

I never tell them, I make them watch.

[chilly fractal]

Love it

[hasty path]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-look-at-me-look-at-me-go-i-look-good-gif-24783859

[restive peak]

Nish has a cam in my home confirmed

[hasty path]

“A” cam

You think I’m an amateur?

Got the club penguin spy base monitors setup

[restive peak]

I expect nothing less boo

Also ret = last seasons fury, I told our ret this and he is RAAGING at me right now

"FURY WS ONLY RB RAMP WE HAVE TO PRESS WAKE AND BLADE AND JUDGEMENT"

Sooo onslaught/BT every 10 stacks? "ITS NOT THE SAME RET IS MUCH HARDER"

People are funny

[olive wraith]

Aren’t both specs known as being some of the easiest

[hasty path]

Yes

[nova garnet]

Ret was in a very shit place for tindral due to talent conflicts.

Ret is happy now no?

[restive peak]

110%

I was just sayin "Oh this is fun, ret is basically fury last season"

And he went bananas hahaha

I was like bruh, 1 spender w 2/3 buttons and 1m CDs is last seasons fury

[olive wraith]

Does anyone bother with a tier bonus wa?

[restive peak]

Nah

[thorny thorn]

Is there a way to sim allied wristguards to be at max effect?

[edgy widget]

they sim that way by default

[oblique idol]

what are the soft caps for stats for fury

[restive peak]

None

Sim caps are the only caps

[eternal phoenix]

question if i have no odyn fury but i have al other burst how should i burst in wich order

[olive wraith]

all other burst being av/rek?

and tr

[modest condor]

make sure you're enraged > reck > ava > roar/spear

[eternal phoenix]

yeah

[clever path]

On a side note, i will miss our tier bonus :c

[olive wraith]

What Silm said

[restive peak]

@modest condor is sexy, listen to him

[red yew]

Real?

[balmy shore]

real

[restive peak]

and true

[snow edge]

As real as anything

[red dirge]

easiest way to farm 7 rep from dream wardens?

[cosmic lance]

plant some seeds

[restive peak]

Seeders

[cosmic lance]

kill a rare

[red dirge]

how long will that take

also I barely got much seeds

[burnt stone]

[snow edge]

Like hardly any time at all; alternatively buy a contract for Dream Wardens and do a few world quests

It’s just 7 rep

[dapper goblet]

@clever path 👑 🧎‍♂️

[red yew]

[chilly harbor]

for raid, should I sim for aoe or ST?

[hallow sphinx]

big fan

[restive peak]

ST

ST and you just swap talents/trinkets as needed

[chilly harbor]

ok ty

[frosty heron]

nothing to farm anymore

[olive wraith]

All 489?

[frosty heron]

that's all i can farm 😄 all 483 and fyrak trinks are 489

[burnt stone]

Brothers, what kind of M+ trinkets do you use?
Cataclysmic I got stuck chasing a tank in the evergreen forest to maintain the stack, so I'm scared to wear it lol

[restive peak]

I use Augury/rageheart for higher keys, swap to ocean for lower keys

Swap rageheart for ocean, I mean

[olive wraith]

Aug ocean for me

[restive peak]

I am deeeeeply enjoying rageheart @ 489 for higher keys, it's been pog as fuck, and in some cases negates big damage so my healer loves it

[mossy fox]

i've enjoyed rageheart too but our key timers are so tight

it is a small dmg loss so feel like i can't run it

think i used it in atal30 this week since the timer is fairly free

[burnt stone]

Augury/heart
I am reluctant to use them at the same time due to lack of strength

[restive peak]

True, I'm still in 28/29s so it's moreso at the point where we time it if we don't fuckup, and if we do fuckup the DPS diff wouldn't be the saving grace

But I assume by 30/31s it'll be an issue, I also don't have 489 ocean

The versa is insanely strong

I'm not convinced the versa w leggo won't be amazing yet, but I'll do some tests once I have it

[burnt stone]

Are pip trinkets bad?

[red dirge]

not really i dont think

just better ones out there

[restive peak]

It's not bad, just not great.

[mossy fox]

pip is strong in aoe

not bad on st

will probably try it when i get a 489

[clever belfry]

for atal 30

just dont use portal

portal out after volk

equip it

walk to yazma, 0 time loss

👍

[mossy fox]

yea but it's a signet brand loss

i can extend with doll then taunt a critter

pull boss with my signetbrand stacks intact

[hardy cargo]

I use m pips, sims close to hc augury does pretty good

[clever belfry]

ye and i dont think u should need rageheart as warr

[mossy fox]

nah i shouldnt

[clever belfry]

surely u just straight up live with dstance

[mossy fox]

all i need is enrage and dstance

[clever belfry]

and u hold refs for wrackings

ye

[mossy fox]

dstance alone isnt enough

it's a nice safety net, not needed

[restive peak]

Ye I'll swap off it once I have a viable 489, I'm genuinely not convinced 483 might is a huge bump from it, I do very similar overalls using either but survive WAY better

[clever belfry]

every 5th u can rally waowi!!

then u have evo rally on atleast 1/3

ig shammy also gives u 10% stam or w/e it was

they can keep that on whole party right

[mossy fox]

i survive with like 9% hp with just my own stuff and the passive auras

[clever belfry]

does verrug play leaf in ur group

or is everyone tanky enough

[mossy fox]

ye he does

[clever belfry]

for laren ig?

[mossy fox]

dunno actually sometimes he uses on us

[clever belfry]

thats just for damage

cause u do get 1200 vers after it gets consoomed

[mossy fox]

i guess it's nice for swarm in brh and roots in wcm

yea

[clever belfry]

surely he plays pvp trink over leaf in wcm

for that boss atleast

as in, rush tree -> tp out -> reequip

[covert blaze]

ret is piss easy

jokes aside, both specs are pretty much on the same level of complexity imo

[restive peak]

Ye

Just plays similar to S2 fury, it's fun

[mossy fox]

dont think he has one

[clever path]

Ret is mega easy

[amber sapphire]

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[covert blaze]

show cat

[amber sapphire]

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[restive peak]

Painncakes is struggling in every way

[covert blaze]

that's a cat

100%

[terse ether]

Ember of Nullification or might of the ocean?

[covert blaze]

for what

[terse ether]

For m+ alongside augury

[covert blaze]

might + augury

[hardy cargo]

might owns

[terse ether]

I see lots with ember thats why

Cool

[covert blaze]

vers is good in very high keys

[terse ether]

Lots 3500+

[covert blaze]

I mean vers is good period, but it gains value dfensively in very high keys

[clever belfry]

love taking less damage

its good tech

[restive peak]

Ember has uses, I will maintain my rageheart love here, but I'd run might > ember mostly

[covert blaze]

at what level do you guys think you start playing defensively like that

using rageheart/ember and all that

[hasty path]

definitely like 14s you'll want it

[covert blaze]

shut up

[hasty path]

did u get leggo

saw ur name changed

or did the copium just dissipate

[covert blaze]

i literally dm'd you that i got it

idiot

just say you don't love me anymore

[hasty path]

oh i was like in bed just kinda looked vaguely that you sent a pic and a link, didnt click the link, went back to sleep

[restive peak]

I only use it for 28/29s, 27 and lower I swap to ocean

Really though my DPS is so similar, the diff is that Ocean assists prio/ST and rageheart is legit all AOE/pad

Crit does the cata brand tech, I can legit say I'm just too fuckin lazy

[covert blaze]

is rageheart good dps or just defensive tech?

[restive peak]

It's good DPS, it's sick in big pulls, and is defensive, plus it'll buff my (surely Tuesday) leggo

But ocean is a noticable ST/prio bump

[hasty path]

[restive peak]

Brand is a VERY noticable ST increase if you're gonna tech it

[covert blaze]

nish found a new target to bully about leggo

[covert blaze]

[restive peak]

Leggo will surely instantly time a 30 for me right

[covert blaze]

it will kill you at some point

[restive peak]

Oh I will barely EVER use the on use, the dmg is still a big bump without

[covert blaze]

i stood in a geyser on tott first boss

i was looking at the timer too

[restive peak]

LEWL

Just track geysers 4head

[covert blaze]

i was

i got greedy about the boss' spell queue

i thought i had an extra second

[restive peak]

xD

[warm crag]

never do this again or i will pull out the ya zhai copypasta

[flat river]

Guys (eu) i have a TOTT +23 if anyone wanna join

@clever path u too

[covert blaze]

ya zhai

[warm crag]

i think he wrote one about me but i dont remember what he said

[covert blaze]

i never interacted with that guy before

before that

[warm crag]

you got rolled

[hasty path]

i miss soda

and roidstack

when is belte going to ban evade again i need content