fury

[clever belfry]

go reroll

sometimes math do be happening

[young swan]

apply some common sense and you'll quickly realize that if everyone else gets stronger and we do not, we are weaker as a result

[tidal kindle]

No one cares if it's "200k dps to beat X content, I'll take anyone over that"
They just care "who are the best dps"

[clever belfry]

but most people here disagree with basic maths (facts) so

[tidal kindle]

Like what

[hushed scarab]

#furyisdie

[whole latch]

math is something archi does and all other warriors copy paste his work

[tidal kindle]

If you go from 3rd to 9th, and they're only looking at top 5

[red berry]

where were you when fury was kill

[covert blaze]

nobody cares about your push week

[tidal kindle]

Guess what

[clever path]

yeah when modern wow has nothing to do with old wow

[tidal kindle]

9th is not top 5

[cedar edge]

I did math once now im

[tidal kindle]

Even I don't care about push week

[crude ridge]

If I do 100 dmg and ret does 95 dmg but then gets buffed to 115 dmg I am nerfed. Maths

[red berry]

holy fuck arms got buffed?

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-blank-stare-gif-23320974

[whole latch]

internet explorer woke up

[clever belfry]

wtf buffs???

#arms op???

[red berry]

real?

[blissful kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[clever belfry]

REAL!!!!!

[tepid saddle]

[clever belfry]

[sour frigate]

LESSSGOOO

[hard widget]

Thats pvp

[clever belfry]

(pvp)

[blissful kestrel]

we are huge now

[sour frigate]

fuck it

[red berry]

im going to cry

[dense elbow]

I will explain in more detail: If we did X amount of damage in 10 sec. And that is unchanged. Is not the same as if we got nerfed and now had to do X damage in 12 sec.

I get what you mean, I already pointed that out. But there is a difference between getting nerfed and others being buffed. We are not weaker Vs the content, we are weaker in context of other specs.

[crude ridge]

I hope you realized that was pvp

[clever belfry]

show cat

[sour frigate]

no

[clever belfry]

wtf???

[sour frigate]

archi told me not to post some shit

[cedar edge]

this guy

[sour frigate]

🙂

[young swan]

we are weaker by comparison and that is literally the only metric that matters

[clever belfry]

so we are nerfed

[young swan]

relative strength is the only concern

[olive wraith]

Wait no one even uses am in pvp I thought

[clever belfry]

bro but i can time 20

[dense elbow]

We are not nerfed in the context of content. We are not doing less damage now than before.

[sour frigate]

i cant even time 20 this week

[rigid minnow]

yeah, we only get pvp buffs.

[dapper goblet]

Season 2 winning was our buff

[soft parcel]

Hello ! Someone have a good build for 1hand with 4 part ?

[sullen dove]

[olive wraith]

S2 isn’t gonna beat arms

[clever belfry]

unplug ur keyboard please

[crude ridge]

Not even a buff when people don't use AM lol

[rigid minnow]

I know, it is 100% blizz troll

[nova garnet]

[dense elbow]

Ya just wanna be doomin' or spread missinformation? People will missunderstand if you say we got nerfed.

[compact knot]

people get buffs = they do more damage = less damage for us to do = we are nerfed

im dooming

[tepid saddle]

nah you are wrong totally. Your power has a value based on the average of others' powers. If you lose value above this average, it means you are being nerfed.

[whole latch]

@clever belfry i think he means solo open world content which would be true but also useless (atm)

[cosmic lance]

It would be interesting if they posted some context as to why THEY think they are buffing certain things

[blissful kestrel]

where were u when fury is die

[olive wraith]

Y’all are arguing about semantics lol

[dense elbow]

Yep

[clever belfry]

me when i do the worldquest in 16s now and 16s next week holy guacamole

[nova garnet]

Fury buffs are coming

[balmy shore]

i like when they're transparent! sometimes they do that

[cedar edge]

I want to know how far that logic goes, if every spec but fury gets a 3000% buff are we not nerfe ?

[inner zinc]

kinda disappointed we didnt even get a smol luv tap 😦

[young swan]

(never)

[rigid minnow]

01/20/24 the day Fury dead

[sour frigate]

sounds so internet to me

[nova garnet]

[balmy shore]

rogue

[tidal kindle]

Relativity is a lost concept to some

[covert blaze]

i'm deleting my character

[clever belfry]

where were u when fury die?

i was at home eating chip

[nova garnet]

Curse of relativity from BGO

[whole latch]

@covert blaze o/

[blissful kestrel]

brown man = die

[cosmic lance]

Yeah its pretty much never gonna happen. It'd just amuse me to look at their logic behind why tf some of these things are getting buffed

[nova garnet]

Really nailed that concept

[unreal cape]

what kind of bullshit class tuning is this

[clever belfry]

context bro

[cosmic lance]

I mean beyond the "we think its underperforming"

[blissful kestrel]

loool

[tidal kindle]

WHOA

[unreal cape]

ret gets big buff, fury not even mentioned, again. gg

[crude ridge]

yo

[tidal kindle]

YOU CANT SAY THAT

[hushed scarab]

And this is called non-class tuning mate

[unreal cape]

dead spec

[tidal kindle]

I'm indian...

[sour frigate]

[rigid minnow]

I was levelling retribution

[clever belfry]

im skin tone 1

[sour frigate]

no racism challenge
day 1

[unreal cape]

see you next xpac or something lol

[fluid cedar]

Wtf is this

[warm crag]

cya

[unreal cape]

massive. ret was already good, leg very strong, good for m+

[blissful kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/workaholics-adam-devine-adam-demamp-a-little-racis-racist-gif-4261185

[scarlet swift]

It’s time to realize that fotm is real, if your class ain’t it, it ain’t it. Pick the buffed one and enjoy

[slim coral]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-january-23-buffs-to-many-specs-337247?webhook

Get owned

[fluid cedar]

Fury for life zug zug

[blissful kestrel]

zig zig

[clever belfry]

balls

[dense elbow]

zig zig idd

[warm crag]

@scarlet swift update on finding the message where they claimed that warrior was better than dh or deleting your online presence

[fluid cedar]

Zig zig*

[dense elbow]

zig zig

[crude ridge]

We just wanna zug but instead we're left to zag

[young swan]

zag zag

[whole latch]

@warm crag 💀

[blissful kestrel]

zog zog

[modest condor]

zeg zeg

[fluid cedar]

Is this malware

[whole latch]

yes

[balmy shore]

zOG ZOG

[nova garnet]

Once again arms >

[rigid minnow]

unironically yes, in m+ they will do giga damage, even more than now

[ashen socket]

Uh

how big is that fury nerf?

[tidal kindle]

Think arms pipe fyrakk now?

[clever belfry]

why do i look more like the left
but play like the right

[scarlet swift]

@warm crag you’re a depressing terminally online loser, go look for it bud, it’s right there

[tidal kindle]

[clever belfry]

whats up with that

[nova garnet]

Relatively?

A few percent

[young swan]

who knows man

[clever belfry]

arms did good boss damm on fyrakk before

[unreal cape]

yeah, they were already way better than us. muuch higher utility, can deal with affix, good dam

[warm crag]

fury is unplayable (buffed in pvp)

[red dirge]

ret got a massive buff....

[olive wraith]

Nah fury still ahead in st I’m pretty sure

[red dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-of-shame-shame-shameful-head-down-gif-5548725

[unreal cape]

fury is dead

[tepid saddle]

We didn't nerfed mathamaticly but other get buffed. We were already on edge so actually dead spec now.

[wanton mirage]

[nova garnet]

Think of the changes like inflation. Everyone else is now worth more, but you didn't get the memo

[clever path]

i think arms pushes past fury in ST with this

[unreal cape]

pack your bags boys

[clever path]

tbf

[unreal cape]

where are my doomers

[warm crag]

noob

[nova garnet]

I was hoping for significant single minded fury buff

[slim coral]

only if you like frogs

[red dirge]

time to swap ret

[fluid cedar]

Fury zig zig for life

[cosmic lance]

Highly, highly doubt

[nova garnet]

Keep it suboptimal, but closer

[unreal cape]

continue dreaming my man

[clever belfry]

-> arms > fury on fyrakk boss damm real (sample size does not matter)

[nova garnet]

My fury warrior will be going smd

[scarlet swift]

Point proven, go wipe the cheetohs off your fingers

[warm crag]

we dont have those here :(

[fluid cedar]

Fury deniers have infiltrated our precious channel

[olive wraith]

It’s only a 5% st increase for arms

[unreal cape]

it would be nice if fury would even get mentioned in a class tuning. hasnt happened in all of S3. lol

real sad

[warm crag]

noob #26

[ashen socket]

I scrolled past the pvp mark and didnt realize it at first

[unreal cape]

go for it if you want to do that and don‘t care too much about performance

[cosmic lance]

I dont think it's even 5% in ST

[warm crag]

im not even pink

[clever path]

its between 3.5-4.5% ST

[olive wraith]

Archi is saying around there

[clever path]

for arms

[warm crag]

i will spell id 7

[clever belfry]

serial green logger

[olive wraith]

Did I misread lol

[clever belfry]

not golden king like me 👑

[ashen socket]

super cringe and troll but whatever blizz likes to make fury a 2 boss niche anyway so it was nice being good on most bosses while it lasted

[nova garnet]

If you play warrior DPS, you don't care about performance

[clever path]

fury is good on a lot of bosse

bosses

wdym

[unreal cape]

truuuee lol

[marble schooner]

is arms best in Council after buffs?

fuck I just got to council prog

[clever path]

arms was always better than fury

on council

[nova garnet]

Purple exists, green exists.

We play warrior cause we love that shit

[tepid saddle]

what is your point of being good? Average?

[warm crag]

locking in legendary + corrupted rage thoughts?

[clever path]

fury isnt average on bosses its good at

[marble schooner]

but by like not a notable enough margin

[clever belfry]

fr fr fr on g

[unreal cape]

yah, but its not nice being kicked when you‘re already on the ground

blizz pls

[warm crag]

pressing this button looking ass

[clever belfry]

i will keep pressing it

[warm crag]

ping me like a man

[ashen socket]

I'm speaking in comparison to the other classes and buffs now. Not saying fury is bad but groups are gonna be more hordcore again about. ArMs HaS aRmS tHiS bOsS.

[nova garnet]

Yeah, I just want the gap for SMF closed a bit

[clever belfry]

maybe im not a man

[dapper goblet]

[nova garnet]

Doesn't even need to be best

[warm crag]

😳

[sinful spoke]

no

[tepid saddle]

If we were really good there would not be only 1 warrior at mythic last bosses.

[warm crag]

purple man face

[nova garnet]

My dream is wearing a single one hander on arms

[unreal cape]

yeah i understand, few ppl want that. i just dont think its gonna happen anytime soon

[clever path]

arms prob wont be present in bleeding edge keys anyway

[tepid saddle]

we already have no utility

[clever path]

aint no way arms lives last boss eb on a 29

[nova garnet]

Single Handed Arms

[clever path]

tyran

[tepid saddle]

Also going down on dps now too

[sinful spoke]

DONT LET YUZU COOK

[clever path]

fury solos

[nova garnet]

Could you imagine just using a single gholak

[sullen dove]

NO UTILITY WAAAH

stfu

[clever belfry]

bro like 5 specs in the game live that without externals lol

[nova garnet]

Using a 1h in two hands

[warm crag]

rally is some of the most busted raid utility there is what the fuck are you on about

[snow edge]

0, absolutely 0

[clever path]

when will people get

[nova garnet]

Arms warrior 2024

[clever belfry]

low pickrate

[clever path]

that getting picked

[warm crag]

nerf it

[clever path]

in keys

[regal elm]

its really not anymore with evokers

[clever path]

has nothing to do with utility

but with damage

[warm crag]

huh????

[clever path]

if fury dealt havoc dmg

trustm e

or mage damage

we would be in every single key

[clever belfry]

u know the vo health buff is not raid wide, right @regal elm ?

[clever path]

with our busted survivability

[clever belfry]

its 4 people close to u

[nova garnet]

It'd be "bug" fixed within a week

[scarlet swift]

Just mute spongie, just a megatroll looking to be fed

[warm crag]

just play 5 evokers idiot

[regal elm]

exactly

[clever path]

rally is really strong in raid

its just shit in m+

[warm crag]

and perfectly position them to hit everyone in raid

with no overlap, ever

[rigid minnow]

god damn it, just makes us into demon hunter already. I want swords dance where I just jump around like a monkey on a string

[regal elm]

^

[nova garnet]

Make rally 200% stronger if it only affects 5 or less targets

GgeZ

[clever path]

this

rally should be 20%

in m+

[clever belfry]

darkness gets buffed in 5man content

[clever path]

not 10

[clever belfry]

rally

doesnt

[clever path]

ye

[clever belfry]

👑

[clever path]

dh got a rework

we didnt

[whole latch]

🧑‍🍳 let him

[regal elm]

bring back intervene spell reflect

[clever path]

clear difference

[oblique trail]

fucking TROLL

stop TROLLING

[clever path]

should be a prot only thing ngl

[nova garnet]

Consider this

[warm crag]

crying! crying right now

[clever belfry]

bring back mass reflect

[nova garnet]

Fury gets reworked.
Arms gets reworked
Prot gets reworked

And it's less fun.

[clever path]

mass reflect should be a prot talent

[rigid minnow]

make a talent that makes it either affect everyone in range but less effect or 5 targets with huge effect. Make it into one of those pick left or right talent option

[clever path]

but they decided

to add

random talents

and make prot turbo boring

[nova garnet]

Do you really want them to rework fury?

[unreal cape]

that‘s bullshit. utility plays a BIG roll in keys when you‘re pugging

[nova garnet]

And ruin the spec

[crude ridge]

Lets bring up the real topic here. Lets us leap over all ground effects... That is all.

[clever path]

if u did havoc dmg

[young swan]

desparately

[clever belfry]

both warrior dps specs

[clever path]

u would be perma invited

[clever belfry]

have to get nuked

[nova garnet]

I leap past romantic rejection directly into mediocre damage output.

[clever path]

rework arms

[young swan]

anything would be better than rampage simulator for another 2 years

[nova garnet]

[clever path]

into an aug

[whole silo]

how good is the new arms buff?

[tidal kindle]

Many times I have laid awake at night

[rigid minnow]

give arms and fury challenging shout.

[tidal kindle]

Wondering if i'd take the gamble on a rework for warrior specs

[clever path]

builder doing 5x more damage than spender is the best we can do

[tidal kindle]

Only for them to end up playing worse

Honestly

I'll take it

[nova garnet]

Glad to see you around and Alive Love you.

[tidal kindle]

At least it'll be different

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

breaking it down to builder and spender means so much nothing

[warm crag]

you take it every time

[sullen dove]

the "builder" doesnt even exist until its enabled by the "spender"

a button that enables another button to do more damage

[clever path]

this design is turbo outdated

[unreal cape]

havoc brings good utility aswell, next to his high dam. darkness is huge. mage dam buff. can deal with incorp, can cage mobs etc.

[scarlet swift]

“Hey guys, we brought back talent trees for you to make your own build!”….meanwhile, OF is mandatory. Gg blizz

Remember those days

[warm crag]

shoutout to @young swan yapping session go watch it

[clever path]

the point is

[unreal cape]

rally is a joke compared to darkness

[young swan]

:3

[olive wraith]

Not this argument again

[clever path]

havoc isnt being taken because of utility

but because of damage

[scarlet swift]

And imprison

[unreal cape]

our tiny 10% hp on 3min cd is kinda shit in m+

[sullen dove]

nah

[scarlet swift]

And free stuns

[sullen dove]

just damage

[clever path]

actually cba

[young swan]

havoc is starting to not get taken in high keys now

because it cant live

[clever belfry]

i have not

watched it

[clever path]

cause it cant live shit

[unreal cape]

yeah i get that

[clever belfry]

he also didnt invite me

[clever path]

fury lives everything

[clever belfry]

@young swancast when

[sullen dove]

yea did u notice the na m+ drama vid

[clever path]

it just doesnt do good damage

and thats it

[young swan]

[sullen dove]

nerf and elles were playing with 1 rogue 2 mages

[unreal cape]

but point is, our dmg isnt good on top of shit util

[sullen dove]

double fuckin mage comp

get fucked idiots

[robust widget]

@balmy shore is it possibly to get the gif from your profile banner thing with the bongo cat?

[sullen dove]

even aug's benched

[clever path]

who wouldve thought

[clever belfry]

im not watching a 1h maximum video

[clever path]

that mages would be broken again

main character class

[balmy shore]

i got it from google somewhere

[clever belfry]

thats cause those dps specs dont need aug to live 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet swift]

2x speed exists

[young swan]

yeah its on tenor pretty sure

[sullen dove]

only watched like first 20 minutes of it that was somewhat interesting

[outer locust]

No buffs incoming, my non leggo having ass is in pain

[young swan]

i used it as a chat cover for a while

[clever belfry]

im not watching a 30min maximum video

[scarlet swift]

4x

[sullen dove]

ya lol, funnier that its just stacking 2 of the same spec

[clever belfry]

im not watching a 15min max video either

[young swan]

watch 1hr xan video instead

[scarlet swift]

But you’ll sit in Discord for an hour

[plucky wedge]

Do I have to play arms now hmmm

[clever belfry]

only if u do a xancast

and invite me on

[young swan]

deal

[clever path]

real

[sullen dove]

we'll find out in a week from now

[clever belfry]

👑

[clever path]

no

[clever belfry]

first episode is gonna be

WaWi fury alpha talent tree review?

[balmy shore]

dude i'd listen to a xancast

[clever path]

arms will do slightly more boss damage with no aoe

[clever belfry]

and then a week later arms tree review

[young swan]

u say this like a joke but im so down

[covert blaze]

lmfao

[clever belfry]

bro ive done

a few podcasts

its fun

[unreal cape]

i get your point, but thats just half the story. in a week like this with afflicted, its GIGA HARD getting into groups cuz we cant deal with affix and our dmg isnt good. havoc cant deal with it either but pumps, same with outlaw. but some1 like ret can deal with affix and has good dam AND just got buffed, again. lol

[clever belfry]

but im BAD at it

[robust widget]

found it ty

[clever belfry]

i definetly peaked when preach had me on

[young swan]

it is fun to just chat with the boys about shit that u share mutual interest in

[covert blaze]

wym

[clever belfry]

bro do not

watch mike preach m+ roundtable

[young swan]

LOL

[warm crag]

watching

[clever belfry]

you will know what i mean lol

[tepid saddle]

We can't deal next week also 🙂 We don't have trap or hibernate or sleep or etc etc etc 😄

[covert blaze]

Anda not beating the tism allegations

[olive wraith]

Is it incorp next week?

[clever belfry]

tism?

[olive wraith]

We can at least help with incorp

[clever path]

havoc isnt even taken into highest keys

[scarlet swift]

Augtism

[clever path]

cant live shit

[covert blaze]

[clever belfry]

thats a good one

ty

[rigid minnow]

wait, so those +31s are a lie?

[balmy shore]

i'll make u guys a podcast logo

[tepid saddle]

Dude this is pathetic 😄 Read your sentence 😄 We can at least help 😄

[outer locust]

yeah augtism the new one for sure

[young swan]

[clever belfry]

👑

[olive wraith]

We can

[young swan]

make it very low quality to reflect the effort of the podcast

[modest condor]

[clever path]

yeah with a prot pala and aug

spammign them with externals

[balmy shore]

it'll just be a cute poop

[young swan]

nice that owns

[clever path]

mage doesnt need shit to live

[olive wraith]

Are we the best with dealing with incorp? No but we can stall it decently

[nova garnet]

Frost mage dies so easily

[cosmic lance]

I mean they have to throw externals at the moonkin in 31s too

[clever path]

frost mage lmao

[unreal cape]

yep, exactly. i would feel way better about being fury main if we would get more util, ways to handle affix. (could as simple as making storm bolt perma cc incorp), or give us lust or something (which wont happen)

[clever path]

fire is turbo tanky

with alter time greater invis + cheat death

[nova garnet]

Go do like eb 25+ and have a tank that decides you need 2-3 berserkers

[tepid saddle]

Dude 😄 Are you kidding? Nearly all of the other classes just insta delete it with long cc 😄

[olive wraith]

I’m not kidding

[covert blaze]

SKYHOLD PODCAST POG

[tepid saddle]

We are the only one maybe trying to help 😄 not deal with it 😄

[clever belfry]

dont forget 2x barriers

[clever belfry]

that used to be a thing

[clever belfry]

and mirrors

[clever path]

frost mage is turbo irrelevant when fire is meta

[clever belfry]

mirrors are BROKEN af

[dapper goblet]

Skyhold already tried a podcast thing and it wasn’t popular

[clever path]

i chose not to name all of them since they have so much

cba

[olive wraith]

You don’t need all 5 dealing with incorp

[balmy shore]

it's all about the MARKETING

[unreal cape]

it is in almost every group on highest keys done m8

[tepid saddle]

don't praise me for mediocre pls

[clever belfry]

i do not think

[olive wraith]

Huh

[clever belfry]

xan is aiming to make money from it

[clever path]

yeah with prot pala and aug externaling them

[clever belfry]

havoc doesnt even need externals most of the time

blade dance absorb

is king af

[cosmic lance]

Again, the alternative is boomkin which is also getting hit with externals

[fathom valley]

Legit have no idea

Why we not getring buffs

[tepid saddle]

You pretend to say something positive by saying that we can only do enough to help something that almost everyone else does very well. But it doesn't even matter.

[fathom valley]

Its like Arms was bsd but fury aint that good either

[olive wraith]

What are you on about

[clever path]

i mean

all these complaints are irrelevant

u are complaining about pugging

pugging will always suck

[unreal cape]

so? its still in almost every group. i dont see a single warr in any of these groups

[clever path]

if the community perception is bad

[olive wraith]

You know how many times I’ve saved incorp from going off?

[jolly mist]

did

they

just

forget

about

fury

??

[fathom valley]

Yep

[cosmic lance]

Its almost like infinitely scaling content results in a very strict meta for the absolute top end

[unreal cape]

not so much when you‘re playing meta

[fathom valley]

Zero buffs

[clever path]

it does

u sign up as 3k havoc

3.1k havoc signed up

[fathom valley]

And our class is middle of the pack at best

[clever path]

u arent getting invited

pugging always sucks

[dapper goblet]

Fury didn’t need buffs

[fathom valley]

Like damn hurts playing warrior this expansion

[unreal cape]

yeah i know, was just responding to him cuz he said havoc isnt in highest keys done

[fathom valley]

Fury is middle of the pack

[unreal cape]

fury, whats that? a long forgotten spec?

[fathom valley]

Meanwhile rogues a full tier doing 30% more than the rest

Its ridiculous

[clever belfry]

fury needed god instead

[dapper goblet]

Rogue overtuned = fury bad

Quirky

[unreal cape]

fury needs rework, but buffs wouldve been nice until then

[clever path]

aoe buffs

[fathom valley]

????

[clever path]

our st is good

[fathom valley]

Do you think Fury is in a good spot?

[dapper goblet]

Yes

[dense elbow]

yep

[dapper goblet]

Clown if you think otherwise

[covert blaze]

[dense comet]

is there a way to get the spear of bastion visual back?

[unreal cape]

its how class balance is works. if there are strong specs, others will be weaker compared to them, so rhey‘re weak

[unreal cape]

dont think so

[covert blaze]

im gonna say that after every opinion i give, that's too based

[boreal widget]

oh hey, class buffs...but not for fury..

[fathom valley]

Is this a bit? Circus calling they need you to take mainstage Bozo

[slender perch]

good would be top of middle pack we are not and whit no legy your basically shit lol

[fathom valley]

We are a middle of the road spec that hs a spot due to raid buff and shout

[dapper goblet]

If you think warrior is bad then sorry to say you are probably just very bad

[fathom valley]

Our damage is OK

[unreal cape]

they wanted to move away from the shadowlands look of skills

[snow edge]

So Rogue is overtuned, and because Fury isn't close to it we're bad?

[clever belfry]

yes

[snow edge]

I knew it

[fathom valley]

Im sure your AoTC skills are pretty good

[dense comet]

thanks, yea i get that, its just way harder to see

[snow edge]

Thanks Anda

[dapper goblet]

Yeah I’m only an aotc raider

[balmy shore]

reality check

based

[fathom valley]

Fury is not bad, but its meh. Warrior has been meh whole expansion

[clever belfry]

me when aotc

[dapper goblet]

[dense elbow]

We only meh, because they refuse to make OF powerful.

[fathom valley]

Legit heroic andy barking from his circud

[unreal cape]

if you think warrior is good, then i dont think you‘ve done any m+ pugging

[compact knot]

hes right btw

[warm crag]

shut up aotc raider

[clever belfry]

m+ pugging is the benchmark of what is good

[clever belfry]

hey im 3/9 on woyer

[snow edge]

He's also primarily talking about raid

[unreal cape]

yeah, just have to get used to the new look

[slender perch]

you wont even get into m+ high keys

[dense elbow]

PuG m+ is where you see the cutting edge of potential of your class.

[balmy shore]

simply make fury warrior giga op op op ? blizzard devs ?

[covert blaze]

51%

[dense comet]

rip, thx for the reply

[fathom valley]

So, ok, ill bait. What makes us good. Use last 3 bosses mythic from current raid

[robust widget]

so getting into a pug m+ = how good your specc is?

[dense elbow]

Yes, this

[fathom valley]

Nah fuck m+

[clever belfry]

next tier will be warrior tier (no one cares cause its fated)

[dapper goblet]

Further proving my point

[fathom valley]

I care about mythic

[fathom valley]

Honk honk bozo

[snow edge]

Sucks to suck Xeos, let us know when you get good and actually clear Mythic

[unreal cape]

yup, i just finally reached 3.3k today, only by pugging and it was a nightmare at times.. so frustrating. not doing any more high keys lol

[sullen dove]

[dapper goblet]

I am only Us 10th

Unlucky

[balmy shore]

yeah xeos isn't good guys

[dense elbow]

3.3k is high nowdays? Thought 3.3k was PuG levels?

[covert blaze]

pretty sure xeos killed m fyrakk like a month ago

[snow edge]

If you're not first you're last

[unreal cape]

no, but its not like we‘re good in raid either. there‘s always gonna be 1 warr in raid for rally and ap buff, thats it. not because of our good dam

[sullen dove]

double digits

[slender perch]

i stopped after 3k dont want to wait 20 min for a inv just doing my 2 mytic raids and dont even bother

[sullen dove]

🤣

[balmy shore]

surely this is bait

like troll bait

[tidal kindle]

Damn double digits bro

Even I am US double digit

Xeos Stinky

🦨

[fathom valley]

Because I think Fury is in dire need of a rework and at least some patch buffs on a few abilities?

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

second best spec on mythic fyrakk

odd

[snow edge]

DIRE need??

[dense elbow]

What rework do we need, our gameflow bad or something?

[sullen dove]

like 7th best spec on mythic smolderon

[snow edge]

Holyyyy shit

[sullen dove]

interesting

maybe play better?

[tidal kindle]

That just aug hooks bro

[sullen dove]

fr

[tidal kindle]

[dapper goblet]

If only I had a colorful name people would believe me

[sullen dove]

just boost the server

be red

[snow edge]

Just get Xan's yellow name

[unreal cape]

heroic andy coming in here claiming warr is good? lol ok

[dapper goblet]

Rather die

[clever belfry]

as much as i rant about logs

in this case its actually not true!

[dapper goblet]

I can’t tell if rhanoss got the sarcasm

Hard to tell through text

[snow edge]

I don't think he did

I think he's put you on blast

Assume the worst

[covert blaze]

Make a "xeos" role, he deserves it 🧎‍♂️

[tidal kindle]

No bro, OG HUXE!

/s since it seems to be needed lately

[sullen dove]

ok if anyone knows anything bout this horseshit is u, presumably ebon might on a regular boss does steal persons damage, but guildies saying it actually adds to you on dmg amps like smoldie intermission

so question is when do i cancelaura

[clever belfry]

never

[unreal cape]

i didnt - i read some1 else calling u a heroic andy and jumped on it lol

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

im unaware of any situation where the aug actually steals rn

its always others stealing from aug

[cosmic lance]

Propaganda

[sullen dove]

my firemage is pretty adamant aug steals from him, at the very least prescience does

when you have 100% critrate and the pres doesnt help but it still takes 3%

[clever belfry]

???

[covert blaze]

stealing spots in m+ groups lmao gottem

[sullen dove]

and this mage is like a veeery top top good player mage

[fathom valley]

Man I dont care kek, I want my Legion Warr back

[midnight kite]

I dont see anything listed for Aug stealing from others

[clever belfry]

buffing a fire mage with presc

is -200k dmg for an aug

[sullen dove]

with that good chinese statistics

[clever belfry]

cause u lose that shit

[mild thicket]

wow they didn't buff fury

[sullen dove]

it just flat ignores stealing prescience damage on a mage? i didnt think the game was like... made correctly like that

how about our 100% critrate bb's

[clever belfry]

its weird cause the crit attribution multiplier

but im too tired to look into it rn

[fathom valley]

Didnt they fix that in wlogs

With the Hunter issue or that was a different thing?

I mean delete aug, its not too late

[clever belfry]

wclogs is not the arbiter of fixing that

[midnight kite]

If I am reading this right, Aug can potentially steal friendly fire damage (lmao) but still not stealing real dps

[fathom valley]

Delete aug

In fact delete ranged. Only melee. True gameplay

We dont need no nerds

[unreal cape]

so anyone thinking about trying another class for next season or war within?

[fathom valley]

Blasphemy

[slender perch]

just dont play wow problem solved

[hasty tree]

I have a little identity crisis with my warrior yes

[fathom valley]

Only mained Warrior and will keep complaining and whining

[unreal cape]

i cant take it anymore. the hell that is pugging m+ as warr dps.. cant do it for another season / xpac

[fathom valley]

Probably because till WoD I played as Warlock

[unreal cape]

you and me both brother

[fathom valley]

So the whine is in me

[fathom valley]

Reached 3.2 pugging at beggining of season

Then when legendary came and still havent dropped just stopped and became rsid logger

Wednesday with that 9AM dissapointment

[unreal cape]

i got to 3.3k today and im done now

[exotic wadi]

what am i looking for on % for haste and mastery ?

[fathom valley]

Legit only upgrade I can get now is Augury and Legendary

[fathom valley]

Sim it

[unreal cape]

just want to get a higher log on some raid bosses now

[fathom valley]

Although this season my vers value stonks skyrocketed

[fathom valley]

Little filthy trick in Tyndral M is snagging one of the feathers since 3 are free now

[unreal cape]

so are you still trying to get it every week?

[fathom valley]

And just going ham on the padding

Yep

[unreal cape]

oh we‘re not on tindral yet, smolderon 20% best pull after 53 pulls

[fathom valley]

Ill get it sfter Fyrakk M dies because ofc I will

[unreal cape]

should get kill next week

[upbeat plume]

Ill get it when I got the nelth weapon, 2 weeks before the next season lol

[fathom valley]

I actually never got Jaithys during S2 shadowlandd

We dropped 2 in whole reclears and first kill

[unreal cape]

i got legy, but no aug. also still missing myth track helm and tier chest or myth track trinkets

oh, and sexond weapon. do you have myth track weapons?

[fathom valley]

Missing myth track on neck but obly upgrade would be the one from BRH

[balmy shore]

i got the only mythic jaithys that dropped for my guild i felt very special

[wanton mirage]

i will abuse the traffic power here. Is there any addon that let you switch between 2 graphic setting. i want to use 2 for dungeons and openworld. blizzard only implement for raid.

[fathom valley]

Yep, smold and gnarl weps

[sullen dove]

think only had heroic one in season 2 but first time sanctum was avail on fated we just used our skip and killed mythic KT cause it was easy and i got the 311 jaithys out of vault the following week

[unreal cape]

i got it 2 weeks ago from vault, but it was only around 500 dps increase, so not that big

[fathom valley]

But no heroic aug either, have mythic rezan which is... Augury from wish

[sullen dove]

week 3 instant bis irreplaceable weapon

[unreal cape]

ah nice, im still rocking smold heroic weap as 2nd

[fathom valley]

In worst case craft it

[unreal cape]

i‘m using heroic rezan / might and swap signet for raid

[fathom valley]

Yeh might and rezan for m+ as well

[unreal cape]

yeah but 2 sparks dor 486 weap is wack

for only 3 ilvl

[fathom valley]

Sometimes signet for tyra weeks and just for a few dungs and high keys

Like ToT

[unreal cape]

ye

when you can keep stacks up its good

[fathom valley]

Yeah

Had a DK tank

During BRH hugh keys

He drops his undesd

So we keep our stacks

Spiteful also pog for it

[unreal cape]

oh thats pretty nice

didnt think of that

but usally tanks are either pala or dh tbh

[fathom valley]

Yep

[dapper goblet]

roles are bad

[unreal cape]

meta meta meta

[fathom valley]

I reached 3.2 with DK tank friend

Decent setup for esrly season push

[covert blaze]

2 cool

[unreal cape]

playing with a tank friend would be the dream, instead i went through this hell called pugging

[crisp bronze]

Oooo am buffed that's going to be fun when we move to s4

[dense elbow]

in PvP

[dapper goblet]

[amber arch]

Wait pallies are getting buffed wtf??

[unreal cape]

we got „nerfed“

[unreal cape]

cuz pink class

[crisp bronze]

Sadge I skipped over the part about it being pvp

[dense elbow]

Back to the saltmines with ya

chop chop

[fathom valley]

I live in the saltmines

[unreal cape]

yeah, blizz is just like: get fucked fury warriors kol

[indigo arch]

Oh you mean the "buff" where they buffed a talent nobody takes for ladder and won't since we will be AM again in s4?

[fathom valley]

And ill always demand buffs for fury

[indigo arch]

Yea ty blizz eat my ass

[fathom valley]

Mainly because I hate arms

Rage drowning economy

[indigo arch]

another season of s3 tier+RA

[fathom valley]

Half that rage is me raging at playing that god awful spec

[unreal cape]

yup, i might‘ve been called a doomer before inhere

[dense elbow]

Fits you kinda nicely tho

[crisp bronze]

How many seasons has it been since the last time fury was "better" than arms at the end of a patch in max gear

[fathom valley]

I mean mountain thane is the equivalent of slot machine gameplay

Proc to proc a proc

[dense elbow]

We are "better" atm

[fathom valley]

Wtf is that gameplay loop

[dense elbow]

Mountain Thane is a bit heavy on the RNG with the RNG part, for sure

[dapper goblet]

feel like i'd rather be the better spec during prog than the better spec for farm

but i guess that really only matters with how fast you clear the content

[fathom valley]

Which translates 90% of time to which spec has more ST and has better execute

S2 Fury was decent but Arms was better for prog

[sullen dove]

uh... execute for the most part who cares

but more important than both of those is living

well st and living equallyish important

but fury is unkillable

[fathom valley]

Arms in S2 was tanky

[unreal cape]

[dapper goblet]

dont think arms was better for prog on anything in season 2 other than MAYBE nelth

[dense elbow]

Raza?

[dapper goblet]

not counting council

or w/e it was called

dragon triplets

[fathom valley]

Arms was pretty good in Sark

Due to superior execute

[dapper goblet]

p1 sark damage mattered though

its not just the last part of the fight

[fathom valley]

When last phase was an actual race

[dapper goblet]

fury was def better on sark

[sullen dove]

sure but depends if u were overkilling p1

[dapper goblet]

and tankier

[sullen dove]

also idk early season adds had to actually die

[unreal cape]

last time i played arms was start of BFA, cuz it was just way better at this time

[sullen dove]

they were pretty bulky

[fathom valley]

I mean I get you, I did play Fury on Sark mostly because I wanted to sudoku myself after Arms tier and Fury was doing more or less the same

S2 fury won for S4 no?

[calm swallow]

Sooo Furys not even getting even a minor buff? The hell is this...

[dapper goblet]

s2 won yeah

[sullen dove]

its not wrong to say arms did more boss damage last season, it def did, but sometimes thats not the only important thing

[unreal cape]

its our life

[dapper goblet]

haters will say its fake

[fathom valley]

I enjoyed that

[dense elbow]

S1 won, you know this.

Rest is fake news

[sullen dove]

🤖 s won

[fathom valley]

Id enjoy S3 more if your empowered hit was cleavable

[dapper goblet]

pretty much this

which is why i think nelth was really the only fight that arms was probably the play on

had to stop damage in both p1/p2

adds in p3 didnt matter

and died to passive cleave

• lust in p3 always makes it good

[fathom valley]

Experiments was also arms fight

[sullen dove]

it was also experiments

but yea

[fathom valley]

But kek 4th boss

[dapper goblet]

yeah but that was 3rd fight of the raid so didnt really wanna include that

yeah

[mossy fox]

i agree

[fathom valley]

Its like this season

The difference in difficulty between last 3 and rest is mind blowing haha

Even though smol is pretty eh

So more like last 2

[sullen dove]

and there aint rly a fight that was a clear "arms this"

[crisp bronze]

Low key trying to do world content outside of raid/m+ as arms is miserable so play fury instead

[sullen dove]

fury twice as tanky and way more dmg

[fathom valley]

Fury is tankier which is very helpful in prog

No dps if youre dead

[dapper goblet]

goobers saying "fyrakk is 100% an arms fight with stacked cleave" weeks before the raid was out

@ xan

[amber arch]

That’s not like a small buff it’s fkn 30% haha pallys just gonna destroy keys now

[sullen dove]

gotta say first like week of clearing heroic it was pretty funny playing arms no new 4set

[fathom valley]

I remember watching that video and just laughing

[sullen dove]

since it got like 3 aura buffs and was a literal preseason titan

[amber arch]

People are just going to take pally over fury in keys for sure now lol

[sullen dove]

i annihilated that liquid heroic fyrakk split

[modest condor]

hey man that was crit

he said 3 arms warriors on fyrakk

@mossy fox

[unreal cape]

now? they already were even before these buffs. ret just brings more to the table - but now its over

[amber arch]

Exactly

[mossy fox]

this is true

but max sold that fight so well as an arms fight....

[dapper goblet]

then crit is not immune to being called a goober

[mossy fox]

i got jebaited...

[dapper goblet]

@mossy fox goober

ty for saying vote season 2 fury though

you saved us

[mossy fox]

am i a goober or not

[dapper goblet]

guess you're clear for now

[mossy fox]

thank you

[brisk talon]

Not goober

[midnight escarp]

Y no fury buffs 😦 then ret gets giga buffed and they are already pumping in M+

[fathom valley]

Wasn't S2 shadowlands also jebaited as a fury tier

[clever path]

shit on st tbf

[unreal cape]

cuz blizz hates warriors apparently

[dapper goblet]

SL was nothing but fake news being spread

[sullen dove]

nf arms came outta nowhere it felt like

[fathom valley]

I will never forget what blizz took from me

Necro Fury in S3

[dapper goblet]

yeah about that..

[sullen dove]

take what

[mossy fox]

dont say it xeos

[sullen dove]

equivalent gameplay to anger management

[dapper goblet]

oops

[sullen dove]

literally happened in s2

[clever path]

venthyr sims

[sullen dove]

just stay on boss and never get off boss

hit rampage

[clever path]

venthyr just simmed turbo hard

[fathom valley]

The venthyr legendary that got nerfed a few days into the patch

[fathom valley]

Id have liked to play it 😦

[gilded pawn]

Not few days in

Few days before

[dapper goblet]

they say dont meet your heroes

[fathom valley]

Was it bad? Didnt test in ptr because ptr is amerilag for me

[sullen dove]

just dont think it was anything crazy at all

[dapper goblet]

no it was very broken

and overpowered

[sullen dove]

it did a lot of damage

that was it

[fathom valley]

Ahhh

[clever path]

tbf

[sullen dove]

passive buff on you and some allies

[dapper goblet]

even after it was shot they still had like 4-5 warriors at the start of jailer tier

[sullen dove]

upkeep requirement is never lose uptime

[dapper goblet]

just playing spear

[sullen dove]

am be like

[dapper goblet]

banner was the most cringe thing though in the game

only because it buffed others

[clever path]

instaed of

[dapper goblet]

if it was just another buff for you then w/e

[clever path]

making it personal

they killed it

and nerfed fury

[dapper goblet]

yeah haha...

crazy blizzard haha

..

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[fathom valley]

Then in S4 we had jaithys gavel

Gavel was such a dumb wep

[amber arch]

God forbid they give fury any party utility lol

Nerf banner, nerf rallying cry

[fathom valley]

Tbh rc needed a nerf

Still going to complain

[vagrant dagger]

excuse me what are those retpala buffs

[eternal phoenix]

in execute phase what u shoould priorize excecute or bloodoath

[rugged hill]

will warriors be the first plate class that will get lust? 👀

[amber arch]

Welcome haha fury on suicide watch now

[wild mica]

i like how half the people who come in here after reading notes just say this

[fathom valley]

Ret too weak

[olive wraith]

Bloodbath>execute(ashen jugg talented)>ramp>ex(no AJ)

[clever path]

raid nerf sure

[vagrant dagger]

other classes getting 4%

[clever path]

m+ def not

[vagrant dagger]

but lets buff all top dmg spell of ret by 20

[eternal phoenix]

ty

[fathom valley]

They still have to be played by ret players

[dapper goblet]

rally should have got a 5 man compensation buff like darkness did..

[warm crag]

rally should instantly kill me

[clever path]

yep

[dense elbow]

I think they are just making it ready to remove rally

[amber arch]

Rally in keys feels like I’m shielding my team with a wet blanket

I bet they don’t even notice it went off

[mossy fox]

maybe we get a brand new talent called inspiring presence in one of our hero trees?

[fathom valley]

While they are facing a live wire

[dapper goblet]

low pickrate

[warm crag]

i think it'd have a low pickrate in super deep reclears so no point in adding that

[clever path]

real

[mossy fox]

bro...

[dense elbow]

Slayer clealry will have rally buffs and slam focus

[fathom valley]

Your rally has a 10% proc of being inspired and if itd inspired it has a 10%chance of being Bazinga

[amber arch]

New tier set buffed slam build incoming?

[fathom valley]

Hire me blizz

[unreal cape]

yeah its everyone‘s first thought after being ignored on every class tuning

[fathom valley]

I dont ask much in terms if tuning

[dense elbow]

The buffs looks insane, so makes sense they create some reactions

[amber arch]

Just give us AM back and uncap pls 🙂

[robust widget]

give me Ancient Aftershock back

[fathom valley]

Let avatr from of fully stsck with avatar

[amber arch]

Also yes

[fathom valley]

And let dancing blades stack fully

Not that much

[rugged hill]

UNCAPPED ANCIENT AFTERSHOCK??

[sullen dove]

5 more seconds of dancing blades will save fury inshallah 🙏

[dense elbow]

I rather they just uncap OF damage and bleed, then give it Legion damage values and fire dam.

Saved

[dapper goblet]

ancient aftershock radomly picking how many stacks it wants to go to

[clever path]

it does?

[boreal widget]

what is a good number for crit, cause im soft capped mastery and really close to soft capped haste but my crit is sitting at like 14%

[sullen dove]

well should definitely have more than 14% crit

but sim raidbots

[edgy widget]

in fairness, you asked him "what's the fight mechanics?"

and he said "single target, then a big phase that's full 2 target, then ST finish"

[fathom valley]

I think OF avatar doesnt stack fully with Avatar

Only the recklessness one does

[edgy widget]

which... yeah kinda makes you think there's a big 2t emphasis, that completely did not exist lol

[boreal widget]

i did sim, and its not telling me to change anything

[edgy widget]

it does

[edgy widget]

it does

[fathom valley]

Oh my bad thought obly for the reck one it was fixed

[sullen dove]

not if u try doin like crit gems or somethin?

[edgy widget]

Berserker's Torment didn't in Season 2 if you used the abilities out of order

[sullen dove]

if not i mean w/e could also be ilvl diff thing not too important since robot does good

[edgy widget]

but they fixed that in Season 3 (after we were done with it lmao)

[fathom valley]

Thats probably what I was remembering

[boreal widget]

ive taken Mastery ring enchants off as well as Mastery gems and added crit gems and it still says my current set up is best by a god 9%

[fathom valley]

But dancing blades fully stacking would be a godsend

[mossy fox]

at least we won't have that problem in s4 if we're playing s2 set there

[fathom valley]

Not a huge buff but a QoL

[spiral ridge]

I mentioned this to my guild the other night but I kinda wish warriors had some cds around leap, like while avatar is active since we are a big mofo leap does some kind of earthquake or something, get rid of the smf talents and add them there

[fathom valley]

Mario build

I actually wish we had a bleed build, I mean focused on bleeds and debuffs

Like desth by a thousand cuts

[dapper goblet]

weight of earth lego in legion

leap did CS

[boreal widget]

maybe make that a working SMF build

[cosmic lance]

Legion legendary applied cs/wb when you leaped

[dapper goblet]

kinda not good making your mobility do damage

unless you're a dh i guess

[cosmic lance]

BFA arms in s3/s4 after deep wound buffs

[fathom valley]

Yeah or WoD Arms

[dapper goblet]

BFA arms in general

[edgy widget]

I was thinking about this the other day when discussing Mountain Thane, because leap fits into its theme very well

But the issue is you wanna be careful turning your mobility button into a damaging one, because then it no longer exists as mobility. Which means if you use it for damage and need it for mobility, you don't have it anymore, and if you use it for mobility, you lose damage

[dapper goblet]

goofy 800% mastery buff week 1 of expansion

[fathom valley]

Something like that, heck throw something like Sunder-ish

[cosmic lance]

I thought the mastery buff was later, or was it just ToM that scaled it up?

I don't remembe 100%

[edgy widget]

it's the same basic premise as not want to buff Sonic Boom to the point it turns Shockwave into an actual damage button, because at that point you stop using it for stun and start using it on cooldown for damage

[fathom valley]

Like reslly making an identitiy about bleeding enemies and also bleeding yourself to buff yourself

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I thought about that as well, would need it to be a proc ability or have extra charges

[dapper goblet]

i think tom got a buff after uldir but the mastery buff was pretty early on in the expansion

[fathom valley]

Any idea what will be the thematic identity behind Slayer?

[edgy widget]

slaying

[fathom valley]

Yas

[edgy widget]

In SoO, Heroic Leap actually was used rotationally for damage during CS

[mossy fox]

hopefully it slays

[dapper goblet]

probably around the time they shot EP and gave us STA instead

[cosmic lance]

Yeah i just remember doing some random EP heroic and seeing an arms warrior and i thought wtf is going on there

[fathom valley]

Remember CSHB stacking in early BFA

[edgy widget]

if I had to guess, Slayer will probably be themed around Bleeds and perhaps Execute

Colossus will probably have some Colossus Smash/Last Stand cooldown based buff multipliers

but idk yet, haven't seen them

[fathom valley]

I dont know why

But without seeing it

[clever path]

it does

of dot doesnt

[fathom valley]

I am a bit certain Colossus will be the go to for PVP

[clever path]

which makes us wanna space our cds

[edgy widget]

CSHB bleeds never stacked on target as far as I can recall, though it the azerite power stacked ofc

[cosmic lance]

The debuff itself never stacked no

Only ever refreshed

[fathom valley]

Yeah thats the thing im mentioning, getting the piecdd to have them all

[clever path]

it pandemics

[fathom valley]

Its 3.30am here and no sleep on sight bleh

[urban basin]

any way to make raidbots droptimizer not ignore a 2 hander I already have equipped?

[noble elm]

Which 2hander?

[clever path]

guardian mw 2x outlaw fury

gigachad comp

[north edge]

someone explain me

why ret got a billion buffs

to aoe

[royal oxide]

I mean it's just wake damage

Not super huge

[north edge]

Truth’s Wake damage increased by 28%.
Seething Flames damage increased by 28%.

[royal oxide]

Yes

Those are wake modifier

[clever path]

it is tho

[north edge]

i mean like

[clever path]

ret is gonna be really strong now

[north edge]

whats the point of ever brining a warrior

ret does everything better

maybe even better ST now

[clever path]

lmao

no way u think ret st

will be better than fury

[sinful spoke]

FINALLY GOT AUGURY

[royal oxide]

I mean that was already the question

[clever path]

in m+

[mossy fox]

more aoe wasnt really what they wanted, but hey

[sinful spoke]