I have a 489 soulspun in my bags that's indestructible, we're coming for it
#fury
unreal onyx
cya luv
warm crag
probably not
past pivot
I feel your pain from the opposite side. I have the 3 items but haven't been into m yet. Guild was treading water and imploded finally. Just swapped over to ally and hoping to pug once HoF opens or finally a semi casual guild doing at least first few m bosses.
cold cape
Could someone help me with my raid ST? I'm having a hard time using Champion's Spear optimally
We use the Spear and stand in it for the whole duration correct? And the sequence we use our CDs and abilities with spear goes something like this:
Enrage -> Reck + Trinket -> OF -> Spear -> wait for OF bleed to run out -> Avatar
Am I doing something wrong? I'm not sure why I'm not doing as well on ST, maybe because I have no adds to pad on as much, but still my ST seems way low
cold cape
Rest of ST things? What do you mean?
cold cape
Troll my CDs?
I just start playing Warrior I don't think I have logs let me check
I mostly pug
idle oriole
Secret dungeon slice sim
eternal sundial
Troll my CDs?
Yea as in some people manage to desync reck and Avatar
Or do unenraged ofs
Waste tier stacks etc
Have excessive downtime
cold cape
Oh be derps
I always try to Rampage before OF
Deplete my rage bar and get full duration enrage
Then BT -> Rampage rotation
Idk
cold cape
Yeah I think the best logs I've seen BB has seen as close to as many casts as Rampage
Is there an ideal enrage up time that I'm missing?
shell jackal
And never waste a BB ever
ok phil i got a question in that case
idle oriole
You always BB after rampage
eternal sundial
Is there an ideal enrage up time that I'm missing?
100% lol but just get it up
idle oriole
So you should have the same amount of rampage and bloodbath casts
eternal sundial
Any other buff uptimes to keep track of?
I track AJ and that's kinda it
idle oriole
Since BB is higher prio than Rampage
shell jackal
on most fights i log in a raid situation, i end up casting like, 20-30 WWs and about as many - if not more - slams.
when i look at logs from other warriors, though, they're casting like, 10 slams, if that. and almost 4 whirlwinds, in most cases 1-2 though.
issue is i'm not getting enough rage while doing the rotation to cast rampages?
shell jackal
and the only button i have available to press after i cast both slam & WW and have a BT proc (but not a BB proc)
eternal sundial
Good logs generally have good rng
shell jackal
yeah how do i get more procs and more rage, please help kekw
idle oriole
bt>ramp depends on rage
eternal sundial
and the only button i have available to press after i cast both slam & WW and ha...
If u have downtime if u dont send a tier stack bt
U send the bt
No button at all always worst outcome
idle oriole
U send the bt
No
summer quail
Yes
shell jackal
If u have downtime if u dont send a tier stack bt
problem is i find myself wasting tier stack BTs just to get enough rage so i can cast rampage 
was thinking it was maybe a stats issue but it feels like way more than a rotational
eternal sundial
Stats are fake just press button 
idle oriole
It most likely is, especially if you have WF totem
sinful spoke
problem is i find myself wasting tier stack BTs just to get enough rage *so* i c...
Press slam
idle oriole
If you look at the public APL it almost never resorts to sending a tier set buffed BT
But it also have WF
So I will sim it without WF and compare sending/holding
cold cape
I track AJ and that's kinda it
What is AJ and WFT?
eternal sundial
What is AJ and WFT?
AJ is ashen juggernaut and is what u pick in single target above massacre
Wft is windfury totem from an enhance shaman
Makes u melee twice sometimes
cold cape
Oh ok thank you sorry
eternal sundial
Which is fucking disgusting considering melees give resource
idle oriole
Tracking AJ is for nerds
eternal sundial
I have one 
sinful spoke
Ez 8k dps
eternal sundial
That's why i can feel good about playin arm in the first place
eternal sundial
I play both specs im a warrior not a fury otp
acoustic furnace
I don't have WF and it makes me big sadge. I've been begging our ele sham to swap but he won't do it
eternal sundial
U dont need wft as arms ur rage bar is cosmetic đ
Wft is a fuck ton of damage in execute
sinful spoke
I don't have WF and it makes me big sadge. I've been begging our ele sham to swa...
Nah but playing ele shammy instead of enhance is giga troll no
Ele is giga useless
sinful spoke
What r u yapping about
eternal sundial
We have an ele and an enha and it's fine
acoustic furnace
Nah but playing ele shammy instead of enhance is giga troll no
He enjoys it so who am I to tell him it isn't good enough?
sinful spoke
Idk?
eternal sundial
I think u should bench the ele and find an enhb
Our ele is good at the game and better than getting some random trial frog in so nty
We got all our ces with ele so why not this one too
sinful spoke
Our ele is good at the game and better than getting some random trial frog in so...
Ok? I wasnt talking to u tho
Ty for that information though
eternal sundial
Missed the part where the other guy mentioned their ele mb
acoustic furnace
Ngl I was gonna call you an ass for that lol
eternal sundial
Wft makes people do cringe shit
I know a guy who got gkicked over harassing their ele
Was in sanctum or something
sinful spoke
Obviously harassing someone over it si super cringe
acoustic furnace
Oh I just jokingly ask him to swap at the start of raids I'm not stalking him over it lol
sinful spoke
But if you have a lot of melee and they al synchronize rlly well with wft then having an ele instead of an enh is crippling yourself
idle oriole
Yes
This is time spent waiting without WF. Left holds buffed BT, right sends it.
It is a 100dps increase ish to send it in this scenario
So you were right if no WF (will sim with wf now)
acoustic furnace
Wouldn't it only be an increase if WF procs?
ruby scaffold
I never want to do another superbloom again, finally got my axe
idle oriole
The increased average rage gen from WF might make it better to hold since you spend less time holding
summer quail
tbf it shouldn't really happen with wft, not had it happen to me in raid i don't think with wft
sinful spoke
I never want to do another superbloom again, finally got my axe
Real and true
acoustic furnace
It almost never happens to me and I don't get WFT so I feel like folks are doing something wrong if they have dead GCDs
past pivot
I never want to do another superbloom again, finally got my axe
Grats. I feel your pain. The ptsd is real
clever path
what do you need to do in superblooms
idle oriole
With wft
Left sending : Right holding
Margin of error is 113 so no diff if you have WF
past pivot
Spend hours and hours farming them
acoustic furnace
With wft
Left sending : Right holding
Margin of error is 113 so no diff if you ...
Woah now that .0000000000000001% increase is huge can't miss out on that
clever path
was evoker legendary also that tedious ?
ruby scaffold
so sleepy lol
eternal sundial
was evoker legendary also that tedious ?
Was quite a lot more expensive
idle oriole
It almost never happens to me and I don't get WFT so I feel like folks are doing...
If you look at the pictures the waiting without wft is 2.6sec (not alot / almost never happens)
idle oriole
Woah now that .0000000000000001% increase is huge can't miss out on that
If you read my message I said there were no difference between the two due to the difference being less than margin of error
Be nice
acoustic furnace
I.. I wasn't being rude?
tepid blaze
is there somewhere i can see what the softcaps are for fury?
summer quail
is there somewhere i can see what the softcaps are for fury?
we don't care, just sim yourself
we have no specific "cap" we're aiming for
past pivot
is there somewhere i can see what the softcaps are for fury?
#transmog As far as %, don't worry
Just sim your toon
acoustic furnace
You want 0 haste or mastery and you wanna stack as much Crit as possible trustmebro
past pivot
Vers not crit
shell jackal
Press slam
so my issue is i have a tier stack BT ready to rampage & turn into a tier stack BB, but i press slam, then whirlwind, and STILL don't have enough rage for a rampage
past pivot
Leggo loves vers
shell jackal
so i end up HAVING to press tier stack BT to GET rage in order to rampage
or am i meant to just melee
acoustic furnace
Nah man stack Crit only I promise it's BiS
hardy cargo
so my issue is i have a tier stack BT ready to rampage & turn into a tier stack ...
just send the bt
idle oriole
so my issue is i have a tier stack BT ready to rampage & turn into a tier stack ...
I just simmed it and it litteraly does not matter what you do
shell jackal
yeah ive been doin that but it feels so bad
idle oriole
Both holding and sendig is fine
hardy cargo
if you have nothing to press, just press the bloodthirst
amber arch
so im gearing up now and have a really shit weapon that im looking at crafting. Since I dont have any other crafted gear (aspect crest farming in process), Im going to make a weapon and was going to put an embelishment on it. Is it easy to remove in the future when i want to craft my other slots?
acoustic furnace
Don't embellish a weapon
hardy cargo
so im gearing up now and have a really shit weapon that im looking at crafting. ...
it is easy to remove embellishments, I would not craft a weapon personally
amber arch
its just because ive got a 483 and a 450
hardy cargo
u can farm out 483's and not waste 2 sparks on something you might not end up using if you loot a 489 in vault
past pivot
At this point crafting a weapon isn't the worst thing to do
proud crown
there's plenty of sparks by now tho
eternal sundial
Just make x2 ring and wrist at 476 those alr own hard
acoustic furnace
Get the embellished cloak and embellished wrists. Both will not be replaced at all this season so it's literally the best thing you could do at this point. Weapon goes bye-bye as soon as you get a good vault.
amber arch
ya trying to, between 16 and 18 at least
past pivot
Trade in lower crests for 15 aspects. Saves some time
amber arch
wait YOU CAN DO THAT?
hardy cargo
yeah if u have the ilvl/achievement
"dreaming of aspects" if the achievement you need
the acquisition is based off of your ilvl
calm mantle
I thought just maybe I'd have better luck farming Might on my second warrior, I do not sadly.. game hates me.
amber arch
468
hardy cargo
I thought just maybe I'd have better luck farming Might on my second warrior, I ...
I dont believe 468 is high enough, idr the ilvl breakpoint but the achievement says "outgrow the use of wyrms" so I assume its like 473 or whatever hero track gear stops using wyrms
calm mantle
Btw signet not really worth using in m+ is it? I don't seem to get much use out of it running 18-20s. Should I run Rezans + Crab till I get might?
calm mantle
I dont believe 468 is high enough, idr the ilvl breakpoint but the achievement s...
476 on everything to get the achievement to trade wyrms for aspects.
tepid scroll
Btw signet not really worth using in m+ is it? I don't seem to get much use out ...
Better on tyrannical weeks or if your tank is chain pulling
hardy cargo
Btw signet not really worth using in m+ is it? I don't seem to get much use out ...
depends on the routing, if you can keep the stacks up it owns. if not kinda dookie and id swap it
tepid scroll
If your dropping stacks swap to augury / might
past pivot
Btw signet not really worth using in m+ is it? I don't seem to get much use out ...
Rezan's is not good for M+. Signet is not either unless it's Spiteful. What else do you have?
calm mantle
on a throne run it did 3.1% of my damage.
calm mantle
Rezan's is not good for M+. Signet is not either unless it's Spiteful. What else...
Crab, Signet, Rezans, Nightmare Egg lol.
tepid scroll
Are yâall going cleave build on mythic larodar? Also holding TR /Ava for add spawns? Seems to line up nice
hardy cargo
rezans is ok, not great, not horrible
calm mantle
Alts only 11 days old lacking in trinkets.
hardy cargo
Are yâall going cleave build on mythic larodar? Also holding TR /Ava for add spa...
take whirlwind talents, and yes hold ava/reck/roar for add spawns
tepid scroll
Wicked đ
past pivot
Yuck. I'd run Signet and Crab over Rezan's while you farm Might. But that's me. Experiement and see what works for you since none of those choices ar really good
hardy cargo
id runs rezans if pugging, id run siggy b if you know your tank is going to chain and you are able to keep stacks
past pivot
M+ has trash
calm mantle
I guess Rezans and signet are comparable on shorter fights and Signet just slaps on other fights. I guess I'll do crab and signet for now
My 11 day alt is almost more powerful then my main.
Disgusting :c
hardy cargo
its ok, in my guild 3 alt warriors have gotten augury before my main has looted it đ
calm mantle
In guild raids?
Does your guild do mythic at all? If so that should be given to mains over alts.
winter shoal
its ok, in my guild 3 alt warriors have gotten augury before my main has looted ...
We've seen 1 augury all patch and it went to a warr who rerolled đ
hardy cargo
we are on tindral prog rn, we stopped doing heroic like week 3
summer quail
We've seen 1 augury all patch and it went to a warr who rerolled đ
what did he reroll to? dh,mage or rogue?
calm mantle
we are on tindral prog rn, we stopped doing heroic like week 3
Ah, you should at least fyrakk skip every week right?
hardy cargo
Ah, you should at least fyrakk skip every week right?
we should, but we dont
2 day guild so not a crazy amount of raid time
calm mantle
we should, but we dont
What a waste, doing a guild fyrakk skip every week to loot council bis trinkets onto your raiders should be key.
A fyrak skip is like 30 minutes and fi you're all on tindral prog you shouldn't wipe on any heroic bosses.
hardy cargo
yeah im about to go into fyraak prog with normal signet brand and 483 might of the ocean/rezans
calm mantle
Your raid leader/top brass in your guild are goofy af.
I just joined a mythic raiding team and they do fyrakk skip eery week for loot council, Tho I don't agree with some of the loot council decisions sometimes.
calm mantle
They gave myth legs to the warrior with myth legs just because it had leach, whiel i was running around 476 hero legs.
oblique trail
Least bad case of trials not getting loot (officer pov)
calm mantle
Yeah I can't really complain, they gave me signet in the heroic run we did.
oblique trail
I mean its still a stupid decision
Its an overall loss for their raid not giving you an upgrade while it's just a sidegrade for them
Some guilds however just run a strict policy of no loot for trials
amber arch
Just make x2 ring and wrist at 476 those alr own hard
dont have enough aspect crests to craft 2 rings cloak and bracers
calm mantle
Next week maybe, I'm performing decently as well, i went in at 481 with a signet and crab as my trinkets and was 5th on dps for igira.
fleet cargo
Guys can i tmog my weps to dk legion expac weps
hardy cargo
Guys can i tmog my weps to dk legion expac weps
no, legion artifact weapons are relegated to class
fleet cargo
Ä° want maw of the damned axe tmog
mild kraken
I just joined a mythic raiding team and they do fyrakk skip eery week for loot c...
We had 2 auguryâs drop, 1 from normal 1 from heroic, the mage who already got it rolled bis instead of ILVL so he has heroic track and myth track augury and our RL said sucks to suck pretty much
hardy cargo
but like as fury if you want to dual wield two of the arms legion artifact weapons, im pretty sure you can
fleet cargo
Nope i only wanted maw of the damned tmog
iron leaf
Ä° want maw of the damned axe tmog
reroll dk
fleet cargo
Dk sucks
calm mantle
We had 2 auguryâs drop, 1 from normal 1 from heroic, the mage who already got it...
Your RL is stupid af, did you say anything when they did that?
fleet cargo
Maw of the damned looks very good with sanctum set
mild kraken
Yeah I said â What the fuck! That is some Bulllshiitâ
Then muted the dumbass who got it
calm mantle
The amount of dps increae by you getting it over the guy getting 6 ilvls is crazy.
mild kraken
The amount of IO he couldâve gotten from me is crazy
warm crag
use hidden technique: gquit
errant steppe
I'd instaleave guild at that point
mild kraken
I still out dps everyone with leggo and bis trinkets so fck em
I almost did although been with em for a few xpacs
errant steppe
More the reason to quit
calm mantle
and they still don't give you your bis trinket? yeah nah I'd be out
errant steppe
thats disrespectful
mild kraken
If we donât kill smolderon next week in prolly leave tho
worldly shard
So hows ur RNG so far with the leggo?
errant steppe
shit
calm mantle
2 Warriors, no Lego.
worldly shard
Lmao
errant steppe
Just did fyrrak for the 7th time in wed and an alt got it on his 2nd kill
feelsgoodman
winter shoal
what did he reroll to? dh,mage or rogue?
BM hunter of all things
mild kraken
NO LEGGO , 6 TICKETS AND DEPRESSION
oblique trail
use hidden technique: gquit
Hidden technique, acquire purple class character and become favoured for all the loot because of being fotm
errant steppe
I got no lego and no augury yet amazing stuff
past pivot
Speaking of leggo, just flew by an emerald frenzy and I was like, fuck, I need to get out here fast. ptsd
warm crag
Hidden technique, acquire purple class character and become favoured for all the...
reaaalll
worldly shard
And then u see groups listed "leggo material farm" and theres 30ppl inside with a note on the group telling "no fyralath no invite"
hardy cargo
Hidden technique, acquire purple class character and become favoured for all the...
this is based
mild kraken
Hidden technique, acquire purple class character and become favoured for all the...
How do you know thatâs my alt and Iâve done it already
hardy cargo
(would never be me tho im brown 4 lyfe)
worldly shard
Well i have a chance in getting one this week
Havent cleared heroic yet on 5 of my chars
Dk,pally,3warrlords
warm crag
you need divine intervention
worldly shard
Lmao
oblique trail
Warrlords
worldly shard
Hey! I got rezan, gorehowl,legs,hands,ember,might with avoidance at 489
Last vaults
Gonna check what i have inside for this week
Hoping for the fyrak trink
summer quail
imagine having to kill hc fyrakk 5 times per week
worldly shard
imagine having to kill hc fyrakk 5 times per week
Blizzard balancing
hardy cargo
bro I can barely manage 2 one for my warrior one for my outlaw rogue lol
errant steppe
Imagine having mythic vault so you get less chances at your bis trinket
who the fuck thought this is a good idea
worldly shard
0.1%drop rate and embers increasing the chance by 0.00001% on use
oblique trail
Unless you're the only warrior then gg
hardy cargo
Ask to be sat for reclear
I tried this and got the coveted response of "we have no other warrior, no"
oblique trail
Unfortunate
worldly shard
I just want the leggo drop to be on my main warr
oblique trail
Funnily enough I was always put back in for council when it's the one fight I've explicitly said I'll never do
summer quail
fuck council
coarse nest
Council is such a cluster fuck
summer quail
we destroy all other bosses on reclear, we are idiots on council.
mild kraken
Council is pretty free once you realize dps doesnât matter
worldly shard
Fuck alts, but if i do get it ill just mog it on my main char
I wont even play alts to raid or do m+ content
coarse nest
We went perm extend until CE this week too
Tindral p2 second seeds is our prog so far
mild kraken
I pray we donât reclear after our performance on smoldy
hardy cargo
we are just seeing first part of p3 we have a small chance of killing next week I think
winter shoal
This is my first tier actually pushing for CE and smoldy is making me want to commit soy sauce on the side already
coarse nest
We heard the end of p3 before kill is like the hardest part of the whole fight
winter shoal
I love everyone instantly dying because people stand on the orb portals
coarse nest
So that should be fun
open prairie
smoly isnt a hard boss
worldly shard
How hard is s3 raid compared to s2/s1
open prairie
its literally people greeding
worldly shard
Mythic
worldly shard
Atleast heroic amirdrassil seems to be easier than last 2 tiers
winter shoal
its literally people greeding
On god I don't think it's that, I think it's just general lack of awareness
calm mantle
I wanna cry, my throne group thought it was a great idea not to clear 3 of the adds in the second boss room, fighting boss, don't kill it before adds its at like 20% health an oracle heals it to 70%
coarse nest
Echo was the only very annoying boss in s2 imo
winter shoal
Atleast heroic amirdrassil seems to be easier than last 2 tiers
HC Aberrus was insanely easy until the last 2. Even those were super easy if everyone knew the mechanics - they were just knowledge checks with very low threshold for execution
vapid river
I wanna cry, my throne group thought it was a great idea not to clear 3 of the a...
Not clearing that pack on tyrannical weeks is inting
worldly shard
HC Aberrus was insanely easy until the last 2. Even those were super easy if eve...
Raszageth seemed easier than sark
Ino
In HC
calm mantle
Not clearing that pack on tyrannical weeks is inting
I literally said that to them
worldly shard
Voti is one of my favorites this expansion
eternal sundial
dont have enough aspect crests to craft 2 rings cloak and bracers
the tier below it sir
thats the point
winter shoal
Raszageth seemed easier than sark
Idk my guild at the time struggled more with hc rasz than sark but that could be a skill diff
open prairie
dathea was a good boss
worldly shard
Lol
open prairie
until your tank going up doesnt go up
worldly shard
Fuck that boss
open prairie
or your healer
winter shoal
dathea was a good boss
no
worldly shard
Dathea broke more raid groups than raszageth
worldly shard
I just loved being blown back and then having double charge + leap
open prairie
council farm wanted to make me punch my monitor ngl
worldly shard
And others dying
winter shoal
Council was easy enough that you could kill even with griefers
Better than council this tier HOLY that fight sucks
coarse nest
Oh yeah VOTI council was very free
iron leaf
anything obvious I could be missing? feels like I should be simming ~240 with this gear
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nTDciPHdsHCe3f6dbeK7Hz
winter shoal
anything obvious I could be missing? feels like I should be simming ~240 with th...
haste enchants on your rings seem a little sussy but if that's what top gear says then it's all gouda I guess
clever belfry
gouda
winter shoal
483 offhand and brand are a bit of a grief but wcyd
iron leaf
yeah been super unlucky with weapons apart from getting the leggo
worldly shard
Whats stronger rn, arms or fury?
winter shoal
Nothing really stands out as long as that's what top gear is saying, I would've guessed your vers is maybe a bit high but the robot knows better than my intuition
nova garnet
Whats stronger rn, arms or fury?
Fury
worldly shard
In ST/M+
winter shoal
Whats stronger rn, arms or fury?
Fury for almost everything, arms good on council
nova garnet
It's a warrior, if you care about m+ play purple class
past pivot
anything obvious I could be missing? feels like I should be simming ~240 with th...
Sim nightly not weekly. Try the leg armor enchant. Are you use the vers/mastery food? And the ring enchants as mentioned
worldly shard
Atleast according to wowhead weekly reports fury is like 5% ahead of arms
Via logs
worldly shard
It's a warrior, if you care about m+ play purple class
Fuck purple
I only drink purple when i think about playing purple
nova garnet
Then play whatever suboptimal spec you prefer
winter shoal
Atleast according to wowhead weekly reports fury is like 5% ahead of arms
Those posts are actively harmful to the community. 95th percentile mythic all bosses are completely irrelevant to almost anyone
nova garnet
I think fury is cooler
iron leaf
Sim nightly not weekly. Try the leg armor enchant. Are you use the vers/mastery ...
I had all mastery/versa gems and mastery enchants but sims told me getting vers/mast gems and recrafting one of the rings to crit/mast was a 1k increase
worldly shard
And you just reminded me to mix some purple drink
iron leaf
this with mast/vers food
nova garnet
Those posts are actively harmful to the community. 95th percentile mythic all bo...
Content mill WoW gotta print money
crystal summit
yeah been super unlucky with weapons apart from getting the leggo
could be worse. we've yet to see a single Gnarlroot weapon đ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jkJRHowXstkA68Wy7vJGrD
winter shoal
I stg if I have to see another person discussing a wowhead tier list I'm gonna alt+f4 irl
winter shoal
Like only 10% of people who do keys even do 20s, so why does it matter to the 90%(!!!) of people whether their spec is deemed S tier or C tier
open prairie
why players care about wowhead rankings is silly
winter shoal
Biz is out here doing like +27s as arms and people ree about low tier specs in their +12s
winter shoal
Tier lists should just be banned
I think they're fine as entertainment content, but the community gives them actual informational value and that part is weird imo
worldly shard
I stg if I have to see another person discussing a wowhead tier list I'm gonna a...
Im not talking about tier lists
winter shoal
Im not talking about tier lists
I am
nova garnet
Like only 10% of people who do keys even do 20s, so why does it matter to the 90...
So 3% of the population
Lmao
winter shoal
Sure , but atm green+purple dogs are 50% stronger than ys
Citation needed
worldly shard
Its a 2 button spec
nova garnet
And my dogs nosedives
amber arch
do I put wafting on both weapons or one wafting one sophicĂ
winter shoal
You just cant beat BM's overall
Not if the BM is a turbo stinker
nova garnet
Its a 2 button spec
- You're wrong
- You're wrong
coarse nest
winter shoal
do I put wafting on both weapons or one wafting one sophicĂ
Sim it, usually you end up on double wafting but it'll depend on the rest of your gear
oblique trail
do I put wafting on both weapons or one wafting one sophicĂ
Sim question. Some have writs sim higher than either
amber arch
ok simming now
acoustic furnace
Earthen Writ was simming higher for me for like 2 weeks which was really weird
nova garnet
Cobrashot
Kill command
Barbed shot
Multi shot
Kill shit
Bestial wrath (looks like a CD has like 20s CD)
Whatever the 2 minute cd is called looks like a leaf
Death chakram
coarse nest
Earthen sims good if you have to much haste from other sources
olive wraith
Kill shot is really weak
coarse nest
So yeah makes sense
nova garnet
BM has just as many rotational buttons as any other spec. Idk how people think it's a 2 button spec.
nova garnet
Kill shot is really weak
And yet, it's used.
olive wraith
Chakram is like 45s
Youâre basically doing kill command and barb for your rotation
nova garnet
Idk, I'm gcd locked
And I'm hitting more than 2 button
Multi shot every 3rd global, barbed shot to keep up frenzy,
kill command on CD,
Chakram on cd
Bestial wrath on CD
Kill shit sometimes
Manage focus with cobra shot.
Pretty much same shit as any other dps
winter shoal
Would recommend the Hekili addon for BM
Friend of mine uses it and 95+s every fight
In raid at least
She was like 3100 last season too so it's not awful for keys either
nova garnet
Hekili gets usable results for all DPS, it's just a bad crutch depending on goals
Or amazing tool for casual
I'd sit my mom on that shit 24/7
Better than her mindlessly mashing
winter shoal
I think it's a sort of U curve of value where it's really good if you have no idea what you're doing, and really good if you know exactly what you're doing and can choose to ignore what it's telling you. It's just that middle area where it's more of a crutch than a tool
It's goated for learning specs though
summer quail
way more optimized for certain specs tho
nova garnet
Reading is very different to playing without it.
People learn how to use hekili rather than do their rotating
past pivot
It needs an expiry date. Like it only works for so many days or uses then it locks up.
nova garnet
So it tends to fall apart when you remove the training wheels
If you want to learn use it for maybe 2-3 days to find comfortable keybinds locations
Then remove it and drill on dummy
Or just use it forever if you're casual and don't care
winter shoal
I think on the high end you'll want to be able to track things separately instead of purely relying on Hekili, but I also don't think it's just training wheels
People get CE and orange+ parses using it
past pivot
People get CE using default UI. Doesn't mean it's good
sage rune
People get CE using default UI. Doesn't mean it's good
Literally bis ui
past pivot
Literally not. Out of the box, yes, Best? Not even close
sage rune
Bis.
winter shoal
In my experience it tends to go like "I have no idea what I'm doing so I'll use Hekili", then you start to pick up on patterns over time as you gain experience, you start to recognize the underlying mechanics and what you need to look out for, you add some weakauras or whatever to track those, and then you realize you're not really looking at hekili anyways and you can just play the spec normally
winter shoal
People get CE using default UI. Doesn't mean it's good
I mean have you seen top M+ers UIs? They're all dog shit but they work for the person playing them so đ¤ˇââď¸
warm crag
In my experience it tends to go like "I have no idea what I'm doing so I'll use ...
this is just how you learn specs tho
winter shoal
this is just how you learn specs tho
Sure, my point was more just there's no reason to force yourself not to use it after a certain time, you just gradually pick up on certain things and begin to track those things independently. It's not "I need to stop relying on Hekili as a crutch after 3 days" and more "I'm at a point where I'm looking at other things instead"
meager void
Lol I was having this argument yesterdya about the weakaura which sets dispel order and announcements on DOTI Timeways boss
Its great to have it but I would wish that players first learn the mechanics before using such a tool
winter shoal
Even then I think there's some value in it since it basically just displays the APL in real time, so if you're in a situation where you understand your spec but it's some edge case where you're like 50/50 on what to press, it'll make that decision for you
meager void
There's a reason its not recommended to use calculators when you first stat to learn multiplication
modest condor
could be worse. we've yet to see a single Gnarlroot weapon đ https://www.raidbo...
same
restive peak
UI is mostly about comfort, but you should certainly make your UI clean so itâs easy to see whatâs needed, and also if youâre staring at a rotation helper youâre gonna stand in a mechanic and die eventually
Hekili is a scourge, read the guides, go to dummies, build muscle memory, read your talents so you understand why you use what when and then youâll become a decent player
acoustic coyote
currently gearing my war and I gotta say afflicted is such a stupid affix. last 3 groups I applied to I got kicked out of because they realized nobody could deal with afflicted lol
winter shoal
UI is mostly about comfort, but you should certainly make your UI clean so itâs ...
I generally agree, but also if you have hekili (or in most cases a handful of weakauras) that you can just glance at, it allows you to dedicate more of your attention to timers, positioning, etc
restive peak
WAs for your abilities and hekili are night and day comparisons
winter shoal
Ehh I think that depends how you use either of them
restive peak
Was are there to track CD timings quickly, hekili requires you to not know your rotation, look at it to figure out whatâs next, then use it
No it doesnât, you donât use ability WAs to know which ability to press next, you use them for CD timings
Thereâs a reason Revvez WA doesnât even HAVE a rampage button
past pivot
I generally agree, but also if you have hekili (or in most cases a handful of we...
But it doesn't teach you how to use the rotation. Just pushing what button is says, not why
warm crag
Thereâs a reason Revvez WA doesnât even HAVE a rampage button
technically does
restive peak
Because thereâs no CD and if youâre over the required rage you can Ramp
meager void
Training wheels fail their objective if you never outgrow them.
winter shoal
FWIW I don't use hekili on my main but I do have a weakaura setup where things will glow under certain conditions to help me more quickly identify where I'm at in the APL
warm crag
the rage bar goes green when its go time :D
restive peak
Hahahaha
olive wraith
currently gearing my war and I gotta say afflicted is such a stupid affix. last ...
Pugs are dumb. In my experience they want 4 people able to do afflicted. When it really only takes 1-2
winter shoal
But it doesn't teach you how to use the rotation. Just pushing what button is sa...
Ehh I think that depends on what you mean by "teach"; I personally have used it to identify rotational patterns on my alts, which usually leads me to identify why those rotational patterns exist, which leads me to think about the situations under which I can create those patterns
past pivot
Ehh I think that depends on what you mean by "teach"; I personally have used it ...
And I bet you are the exception
restive peak
But you could do that via a guide and then immediately build muscle memory that is continuously applicable, and most people use hekili and never learn beyond it
acoustic coyote
Pugs are dumb. In my experience they want 4 people able to do afflicted. When i...
true. but why is there an affix that half the classes can't deal with? so stupid.
winter shoal
I can't speak to most people, but I for sure would take longer to learn those patterns and how to set them up/execute them if I were just going off a written guide/APL vs doing it in real time
modest condor
you should really have 2 people outside of the healer that can dispel the affix
past pivot
Practice makes perfect
modest condor
too many important magic dispels
imagine trying throne of tides with only 1 or 2 dispels in the group
sullen tendon
Whatâs there to dispell in the throne other than flame shock
modest condor
flame shock
clever belfry
Whatâs there to dispell in the throne other than flame shock
the trash lightning shit
olive wraith
It doesnât have to be magic dispell right? Any kind of dispel works
Like pally cleanse
clever belfry
It doesnât have to be magic dispell right? Any kind of dispel works
it cant be a magic dispell
sullen tendon
Cant bring any ranged cause they all have shit ints
olive wraith
For afflicted
clever belfry
warlock imp cant do it for example
modest condor
You just need a shit ton of interuots in thrown
interrupts dont stop the debuff
it's an instant cast
sullen tendon
interrupts dont stop the debuff
Iâm talking about the rest of the dungeon
sullen tendon
Throne is just filled with caster mobs that will one shot you with any cast on high keys
modest condor
not sure what that has to do with bringing extra dispels because you cant rely on the healer
sullen tendon
I think 1 dispell is enough on non afflicted weeks
modest condor
again, not what we're talking about
left perch
olive wraith
So just being pally tank easy
modest condor
pally tank gets clapped by the third boss
clever path
if pally doesnt stand in holy pee
dies
best tanking experience ever wow big gaming
prot warrior is like secret service protecting president
just pile up on stuff and make things die
crystal summit
same <:sadge:820202363359854633>
it's okay. leggo next week for sure (tm)
olive wraith
Gonna keep saying this to cope it into reality. Make intervene hit afflicted
modest condor
it's okay. leggo next week for sure (tm)
ashen socket
Augury
mortal edge
Guys, I recently (4 weeks) started to raid heroic on retail and my main is a warrior - fury.
I am now geared reasonably but my DPS according to parses is very bad compared to other warriors with similar gear.
At the moment my main priority is not to die due to mechanics but slowly I am getting into it and having some focus on rotation.
I am trying to follow the guides - open with reck, cast rampage and bloodbath while buffed, then odyns fury and rampage, bloodbath ... Sometimes I feel I am doing good but sometimes I can click only slam/whirlwind to not just stand.
Obviously sometimes I am panicking and miss rotation but I don't feel like I am missing 60% or more like the numbers show ...
Here I have last log from Volcoross for example.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rCbhVNFfjQwdH3BG#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=10
Any help would be much appreciated.
As for I don't know if the issue is only downtime due to my movements or if it's because of rotation.
Or are my stats bad (distribution) - until now I was taking mostly the highest item level.
Please if you find there something that I am making totally bad, please tell me.
mild kraken
What should I get for lunch guys⌠I work in the IT department in a mall
Canât make up my mind
hard widget
Gonna keep saying this to cope it into reality. Make intervene hit afflicted
Talking about intervene, i wish it was like it was in shadowlands. That made intervene relevant
dawn pivot
Is your belt a shadowflame patch too
it is
winter shoal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xVcvkTr4dma8soKfZtn8w
A decent amount of 483/486 pieces that you could upgrade, that's probably one of the bigger things aside from trinket
dawn pivot
any stat changes?
winter shoal
Looks like maybe a bit high on haste to me but if that's what top gear tells you then that's what you should run
olive wraith
Only ones sim would suggest
winter shoal
Also since you said to SIM better and not necessarily do more dam in fights, enable PI, use crit flask with 100% uptime, shorter fight length
hard widget
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xVcvkTr4dma8soKfZtn8w
Sim with crit flask, Cerulean Seafood there u go u gained 2k dps
past pivot
any stat changes?
If you follow sims, your stats are fine. Can't eyeball and make any recommendation
dawn pivot
Sim with crit flask, Cerulean Seafood there u go u gained 2k dps
people told me to not use that flask
hard widget
people told me to not use that flask
They told you wrong
winter shoal
people told me to not use that flask
In actual fights you probably shouldn't (for prog at least) but for sims it's better
past pivot
people told me to not use that flask
Don't use that flask in prog but sim with it đ
hard widget
You also use it on prog
olive wraith
Meh that depends
vapid river
I actually got pi in a 21 Wm last night
Someone needs to rush that priest to the er, obviously they're having a stroke
hard widget
Only place u dont use crit flask is high tyran keys on certain bosses
dawn pivot
Don't use that flask in prog but sim with it đ
does that make any sense?
balmy belfry
how we place fyralath in our rotation?
past pivot
Using a crit flask in prog is just dumb
hard widget
It isnt
olive wraith
Someone needs to rush that priest to the er, obviously they're having a stroke
It was between me, ret, frost mage. I ended the key 50k higher than ret and mage was doing 140k overall
vapid river
Giant oof
acoustic furnace
Guys, I recently (4 weeks) started to raid heroic on retail and my main is a war...
You messed up your opener pretty bad. Didn't wreck before charge. Didn't use rampage to enrage before using CDs. Didn't cast OF until 10 seconds in when that should be out within about 2-3 seconds. You casted Avatar before OF. That means you'll have less empowered BBs to guarantee Crit and reduce cooldown of OF.
hard widget
Just always use crit flask, you have more than enough survivability build into ur kit, level ur alchemy to reduce the dmg u take. Only on high tyranical keys on very specific bosses do you swap to vers. If you die during prog with crit flask, chances are ur healers need to step up their game or u couldve pressed impending victory / enraged regen
sharp tartan
If I'm in 487ilvl gear and playing my rotation well, is it really a dps gain to use my legendary active on single target over just rampage>bloodbath outside of cooldowns?
hard widget
If I'm in 487ilvl gear and playing my rotation well, is it really a dps gain to ...
yes
mortal edge
You messed up your opener pretty bad. Didn't wreck before charge. Didn't use ram...
Thank you will try to focus on the opener
winter shoal
Guys, I recently (4 weeks) started to raid heroic on retail and my main is a war...
Like Jeventes said, #449510248579858432 , a couple quick things though
- reck before charge will give you enough rage to rampage immediately
- don't use avatar before OF or you lose cdr, your opener should be reck > charge > ramp > of > spear > bb > ramp > ava > bb > ...
- you should almost never slam/ww back to back, you'll always be able to bt in between. The only time you'd use them back to back is if you have a 2pc stack and not enough rage to rampage to convert it to bb
- it looks like you tend to be favoring ww over slam as a filler, you should slam over ww
- you seem to be favoring filling with ww/slam over bt in general. The typical sort of loop is ramp > bb > slam/ww (depending on their cds) > bt > the other of slam/ww > bt > ramp, but obviously that'll change depending on your rage and cd situation. The idea is to alternate bt and slam/ww though, with bt being higher prio than either slam or ww
woeful birch
@hard widget what runes are you running in keys? Hissing or buzzing?
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> what runes are you running in keys? Hissing or buzzing?
Hissing
woeful birch
Ty
hard widget
I would advice u to sim it tho, just because its good for me doesnt mean its good for you
Heavily dependent on your stats
modest condor
@hard widget what side of the bed do you get up before you do keys?
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> what side of the bed do you get up before you do keys?
Its not about which side, its about what time. The proper time is 8 am to go to bed, and wake up 5-6 pm
xD
vapid river
<@637785960108654602> what side of the bed do you get up before you do keys?
Obviously
hardy cargo
You know, I hate the idea of being relegated to one singular side of the bed, I like to take up the whole thing while i sleep through normal people hours
winter shoal
I wish I could wakr up at 3pm but alas we live in a society and I have to be a cog in the corporate machine at 9am
mortal edge
Like Jeventes said, <#449510248579858432> , a couple quick things though
1) rec...
Thank you very much ... Will try to implement current advices and see what it does in future log and then will use the suggested lag review
hardy cargo
I wish I could wakr up at 3pm but alas we live in a society and I have to be a c...
note from doctor stating you cannot wake up before 5pm 
vapid river
Its not about which side, its about what time. The proper time is 8 am to go to ...
Sounds like my EverQuest days
hard widget
Unironically, the most invites u'll get as warrior are in the night. Because they have less choice = forced to take you if they wanna play
Big brain strategy
winter shoal
here you go guys, from a licensed doctor
Brb sending this to my boss will report back shortly
hard widget
here you go guys, from a licensed doctor
Well can say u nailed the doctor's handwriting
xD
hardy cargo
flat river
here you go guys, from a licensed doctor
Real
dawn pivot
In actual fights you probably shouldn't (for prog at least) but for sims it's be...
I care about actual progress fight so why should I sim for just a high number in sim?
hard widget
I care about actual progress fight so why should I sim for just a high number in...
Crit flask
dawn pivot
You also use it on prog
how does it come
hard widget
Ur one of the most tanky classes in the game
The dmg u take is neglectable
Just use it
winter shoal
I care about actual progress fight so why should I sim for just a high number in...
I was just joking since you said how to sim better, not how to do better in raid
dawn pivot
...
nova garnet
I use vers flask, cause it's free
Well nearly
Fury has so much self healing
That you can just use one of the damage flasks
warm crag
Crit flask
do not use crit flask
its trolling and none of the fights are insane dps checks
wanton mirage
Versa flask can come really cose to Crit Flask in terms of dmg depending on uptime during prog because You know in prog , you are not skilled enough
dawn pivot
so I hear two different things
covert blaze
@dawn pivot use vers flask for prog
hardy cargo
^
hard widget
its trolling and none of the fights are insane dps checks
Its not trolling at all, just dont die
oblique trail
I mean there are more steps to just not dying to the dot
You can't always guarantee you have the effect during your CDs or when it actually matters
And one single pull where the dot was enough for you to die, is enough reason to not use it again
hard widget
U literally got to try to die to it
But either way use what you prefer, but if you want to be competitive u use crit flask
oblique trail
It's not gonna be what pushes you to 100 parses
hard widget
Its a lot of dps you lose for not running it
oblique trail
0.5% dps?
hard widget
So i'd say that statement is false
oblique trail
I've beat people plenty of times who sim better than me
hard widget
Thats skill
oblique trail
Did I just use some hidden tech?
warm crag
Its not trolling at all, just dont die
exactly you die less with tepid
hard widget
If u want to compete with the best players / dps u use crit
warm crag
on reclear sure
dawn pivot
I sim 1.5k more with it..
hard widget
Its not really up for debate, crit flask is better dps. If u want to run vers flask because ur afraid of dieing that cool
But if you want to be the most competitive u use crit flask
Its just numbers
wanton mirage
What do you mean compete? To be RWF?
oblique trail
Damn wish this person would've used a Versa flask instead of Corrupting Rage
Guess they really just tried to die huh?
hard widget
Doesnt mean that vers flask is better
dawn pivot
you got some real stalking skills
warm crag
@hard widget i checked most public logged top log first kills on fyrakk and legit everyone is playing tepid vers
plus the uncountable amts of privatelogged kills including rwf kills
wanton mirage
Why even on smoldy though? Isnt smoldy last boss you want to use rage flask. You have to eat a ring during buff
warm crag
you need to stop talking out of your ass man
past pivot
But, but he simmed it.
warm crag
if you're progging you need to play tepid vers or you are quite simply trolling, this current raid isnt tuned in a way where you MUST use corrupting rage to beat dps checks
it is quite literally detrimental on smolderon even because you lose the buff during your double damage amp
meager gyro
hard widget
Idk why u guys are all hating so much on me for just pointing out the fact crit flask is better dps kekw
U can use raidbots
oblique trail
Let me put it like this
If you used Tepid Vers
You wouldn't have logged a zero on prog kill
covert blaze
U literally got to try to die to it
that's also skill
and sometimes not even in your power
oblique trail
Because you died to the dot next to getting hit by 2 flame waves, which you could've lived if you had it
hard widget
Like i said, i fucked up on smolderon. That is a skill issue, not a phial issue lmao
Im not afraid to admit my mistakes xd
oblique trail
But it clearly was the reason you died?
vapid river
I mean that's a fringe case but yeah, would've lived with tepid..
oblique trail
If you didn't have it you would've lived
hard widget
I died because i walked into a lava wave and a puddle
oblique trail
That's literally the point we're trying to tell you
past pivot
"Sorry raid leader. I know you said everyone should use tepid vers to make it easier on healers on prog, but there's a dude on the warrior discord who simmed it and says to use the crit flask no matter what because it sims better so just chill out."
covert blaze
Idk why u guys are all hating so much on me for just pointing out the fact crit ...
the extra dps won't make or break your performance/make you not kill the boss. But dying to the dot potentially when you can get like 2% dr is not even an argument imo for the sake of prog
dawn pivot
ok so tepid vers for progress to not die and crit flask for logs on hc/reclear
vapid river
I died because i walked into a lava wave and a puddle
But you would've had 2000~hp left with tepid
warm crag
okay but you're giving absolute advice on competetiveness while 1. having no idea about competetiveness 2. literally just giving wrong advice? if you want to be competetive on prog you play tepid versa or you get gkicked out of any decent guld
warm crag
if you want to log on reclear go play corrupting rage i'm gonna do the same thing
just stop spreading misinformation
hard widget
No idea on competitiveness? Kekw
humble plover
What uptime do you sim at jev
hard widget
Sure mate
covert blaze
this miss information must be a 10
get out man
dawn pivot
this miss information must be a 10
year old
eternal sundial
MONKA
covert blaze
the guy said he wants to specifically know what to use for prog, saying crit flask is just bad advice
coarse nest
Never Crit flask during prog
dawn pivot
my problem is, the crit flask was default setting and I didnt see it, I adjusted my gear to it and now I miss a lot of crit when simming for vers
coarse nest
Surely you have crafted pieces
humble plover
I just wanna know what he sims his rage flask at
coarse nest
Or be lazy like me and sim with Crit flask and then just run vers only on prog boss
dawn pivot
regem or re enchant, change runes maybe
oh right forgot about the runes
meager gyro
never shit where you eat warriors
this break up scene between jevvy and furry chat always hurts the kids the most
clever path
furry hahaha
sullen dove
covert blaze
furry hahaha
@wild mural
strong marsh
its not dumb to sim stat weights from time to time just to get the information. but dont treat it as gospel
sour frigate
he has leg
slow haven
its not dumb to sim stat weights from time to time just to get the information. ...
duly noted ty!
sour frigate
warm crag
would avoid stat weights
you cannot gain any relevant information from it that top gear or other options would give better insight
sullen dove
i think only semi real application of stat weights is use it to get an idea of what stats you kinda want then pick those gems to sim
humble plover
I had to sim him myself and I didn't wanna. Anyways vers sims basically the same for him when he's rocking his average 80% uptime on rage phial
sullen dove
instead of just blindly simming every different type of gem
sullen dove
dawn pivot
how do I force advanced sim to use tepid vers flask?
sullen dove
Gratz⌠
rotund ginkgo
ty i think its deserved
humble plover
UwU is that an orange stick in your pocket or are you just happy to see us
sullen dove
covert blaze
he has leg
i even have 2 of those
humble plover
Oh no
strong marsh
instead of just blindly simming every different type of gem
- . it helped alot when i went from arms to fury etc. even tho its not accurate. its super fast to just get at least a clue
humble plover
Don't say your ilvl
humble plover
Gonna make them mad
sullen dove
yea
rotund ginkgo
UwU
clever path
unbeliavable
rotund ginkgo
strong marsh
bro is not lil bro anymore
rotund ginkgo
strong marsh
rotund ginkgo
yeah its troll my friend is an iranian booster
and he said
one of the boosters has
4 warrs
all with leggo
clever path
bullshit
covert blaze
what
open prairie
theres a guy on twitter apparently has 3
rotund ginkgo
im simmin rn
for enchant etc
wish me luck boys
UwU
and which wep to replace with
clever path
and which wep to replace with
offhand obviously
covert blaze
i stopped playing my ret weeks ago cause i feared getting leggo on it before warr
rotund ginkgo
based
open prairie
i think our only legos
covert blaze
it would have happened probably
open prairie
are on hpal
clever path
NEXT WEEK
open prairie
and someoneâs rat pally
tranquil abyss
How do you use the legendary as fury?
covert blaze
are on hpal
this reset I got it (ex raider), the hpal and a shit alt 
covert blaze
How do you use the legendary as fury?
pins
past pivot
How do you use the legendary as fury?
In the pins
open prairie
i mean tbh warrior having axe is highest value
since always in
or bdk tank if you have one
sour frigate
i even have 2 of those
2 legs?
No fuckin way
I wish someone with hands reged đ
warm crag
after cds but try to fit it in the fight
you can only legendary in the roars in p3 fyrakk basically
past pivot
lego is 100% drop off m fyrak isnt it
Only for first kill on that zone iirc
humble plover
No I do t think so
past pivot
But m can also drop it as a group loot, also not 100%
warm crag
lego is 100% drop off m fyrak isnt it
group loot isnt guaranteed
open prairie
oh interesting
turbid spruce
People dont liked odins fury? this is gonna be raging blow build again. Personally im interested in playing arms again next season.
open prairie
yeah i meant it drops one for the group doesnt it
summer quail
ugh this shit again...
past pivot
yeah i meant it drops one for the group doesnt it
Has a chance to drop just like any other loot in his inventory
past pivot
People dont liked odins fury? this is gonna be raging blow build again. Personal...
No one cares. You do you boo
turbid spruce
No one cares. You do you boo
rude
open prairie
people liked that s2 âhad more aoeâ
wild mural
<@444952606565990410>
wat
covert blaze
nothing, i was doing a little bit of trolling
wild mural
nothing, i was doing a little bit of trolling
spreading misinformation?
covert blaze
spreading misinformation?
no, there's plently of people doing that all day I don't need to do that myself
wild mural
I see
meager void
Nitro boosters arguing only hurts the children
clever path
I see
is your pfp some kind of anime?
legit question, no trolling. I am looking for something to watch
clever path
why? looks kinda cute
wild mural
u do not want to watch that
shush
wild mural
i know what you are
Im glad someone does
wild mural
It's helluva boss
covert blaze
is it somekind of cartoon?
you can watch it on youtube
clever path
is it Hazbin Hotel?
covert blaze
that's the other one
clever path
The artstyle goes hard
placid adder
Augury + Cataclysmic or Augury + Might of Ocean for M+?
quick hull
Aug and Might for AOE, signet is annoying to maintain and not as consistent unless its fully rolling
placid adder
ty bro
covert blaze
Augury + Cataclysmic or Augury + Might of Ocean for M+?
augury ocean, signet you could try to maintain and play around that (mostly on spiteful) but I personally say don't bother
placid adder
augury ocean, signet you could try to maintain and play around that (mostly on s...
ty mate
quick hull
signet is overrated imo even in ST unless its prog fights or mythic at this point
sub 5 min fights many other trinkets sim equal or better
placid adder
ty lads, sims weren't giving me much, appreciate the insight
quick hull
np, i try changing the sim times to my avg raid kill sometimes that helps me pulll the trigger on a choice
covert blaze
yeah simming for m+ can be misleading, so sim ST and use the aforementioned trinkets
quick hull
best way to increase warrior sims is to change class đ
quick hull
never totally give up the drug, just change the flavor
meager void
they wouldnt be warrior sims tho
frank dawn
you are always simming the warrior in your heart
meager void
deep
meager void
actually you can ignore pain with a quick respec
quick hull
true if i went arms i need to ignore all the pain i could, sucks because i prefer arms too
tepid blaze
zugZug
drifting copper
Sims say that I should prioritize vers but Lorrgs shows the top parses have 4-5k haste. Iâm sitting at 3k rn. Does feel a little sluggish sometimes in between cds.
Any common knowledge in here that Iâm missing?
glad plover
I have around 3.9K and it feels okish
covert blaze
Sims say that I should prioritize vers but Lorrgs shows the top parses have 4-5k...
if they have more gear in general, they might have the better stats already higher to a point where haste starts being better and they also can get more of it
drifting copper
Yeah I think I need to drop some vers for haste to make it play a little smoother.
covert blaze
every character is different, follow sim
slow haven
would it be best to consume phial of corrupting rage over vers phial for m+?
drifting copper
I was looking and they have about the same ilvl I get that a few pieces past 483 and you are dumping mastery for other stats. Just wondered if in play it wasnât different than the sim.
slow haven
gotcha
clever path
the only issue where it can really fuk u up, is when you go invis, and its procs with damaging you
glad plover
Honestly sims are good but if you feel like your characther is playing slugish, and difference in sims is like -500 damage, go for that hast item
clever path
and you go out of invis
devout lynx
Beginner question - can I get windfury while having hissing rune on my weapon?
I simply am not sure
drifting copper
Honestly sims are good but if you feel like your characther is playing slugish, ...
Thatâs what Iâm starting to believe. I been playing fury only for a year now. Think Iâm ready to diverge a little for my own taste.
drifting copper
Beginner question - can I get windfury while having hissing rune on my weapon?
Yeah you need to be in the same group as the shaman tho.
devout lynx
Good, thx for the quick info
glad plover
Thatâs what Iâm starting to believe. I been playing fury only for a year now. Th...
Placebo is real thing in games, if you have more more fun and feel like spec is more fluid, you will most likly do better
drifting copper
Placebo is real thing in games, if you have more more fun and feel like spec is ...
đŞđť Iâll swap gems around from vers/haste to haste/crits and see how it feels. Appreciate the insight.
clever path
22% haste gaming
double wafting
32% vers 65% mast
22% crit
doesnt even play that bad
worldly shard
man, blizz update servers are dogshit
200-500kbit/s download
meanwhile steam pumping out 50mbit/s
clever path
did you know that server for auction house is ran on windows 2016 
clever path
would it be best to consume phial of corrupting rage over vers phial for m+?
depends on key level tbh
slow haven
23+ and up
worldly shard
kinda wish wow would be available on steam
id just buy all the store mounts with balance
clever path
up to like 27s 28s corrupting is fine
clever path
more damage
worldly shard
more damage
10.2.6 warr buff
clever path
keep in mind it can drop ur invis
clever path
10.2.6 warr buff
true
slow haven
yeap
glad plover
10.2.6 warr buff
Another propaganda ?
worldly shard
my bday is on 10-26, so 10.2.6 sounds like a legit warrior buff
only patch note will be warr buff
nothing else
glad plover
Yeah, like always đ
covert blaze
just buff aoe it's all i ask 
glad plover
Remember kids you will not see anything under warlocks đ
worldly shard
just buff aoe it's all i ask <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
buff ST
past pivot
my bday is on 10-26, so 10.2.6 sounds like a legit warrior buff
Birthday buddies!
slow haven
i feel like some wow dev got wall'd by a warr in pvp or something and just felt petty to never let any warr rework or buff go off live.
worldly shard
glad plover
WoW community has a history of asking for warrior nerfs
worldly shard
đŚ pls buff update servers
worldly shard
WoW community has a history of asking for warrior nerfs
we havent been OP for a long time
its just locks and hunters pumping meters
clever path
bro
the closes we are going to get to buffs is a buff to retribution paladin
because chris metzen mains ret
clever path
we need to squish them numbers in current tbf
they are nowehere close to legion numbers tho
worldly shard
we will probably see 400k+ ST in s4
and if they dont squish numbers 1mil+ in s1
well, time for my weekly fyrakk kill and ima check vault gains
hopefully fyrakk trink
clever path
prayge brotherman
hasty path
i kinda liked those numbers
Fr fr
covert blaze
@hasty path how's fyrakk
hasty path
We did 1 pull just to say we did it but prep wasnât fully done
covert blaze
hasty path
So just ended raid an hour early. Plus we were already raiding weird hours this week since we rescheduled last Sunday to Tuesday due to weather causing internet issues
We kinda dicked tindral. Obviously nerfs carried us but like we were making very efficient prog before
220ish pulls total
winter shoal
We kinda dicked tindral. Obviously nerfs carried us but like we were making very...
What was pull count for tindral vs smoldy?
hasty path
What was pull count for tindral vs smoldy?
130 Smolderon (all pre-nerf) vs 227 Tindral (nerfs hit somewhere around 190)
We did not prog for the last 2 weeks of last year
dawn pivot
how to get 50 flightstones quick
hasty path
Nor did we reschedule thanksgiving (one of our raid nights)
covert blaze
how to get 50 flightstones quick
do seeds
winter shoal
how to get 50 flightstones quick
seeds or like 1-2 keys
dawn pivot
seeds?
steep fable
every time i want to try a new class
This is me. I go look at the rotation/priority list and it makes me delete the toon from my memory
nocturne dragon
meanwhile warrior is rampage > BB with some dash of occasional buff
hasty path
Fury main moment 
clever path
I guess im going to shaman discord, cya boys
steep fable
Only thing close to fury is ret
hasty path
BM
nocturne dragon
holy 246k dps
restive peak
1 day bruh
steep fable
both 496 items
nocturne dragon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e5QtB8svEoWcSwJ1DE5rZV
jock, may I know the final stat of your crit/haste/mast/vers?
the %
nocturne dragon
wait2 that 50% is the vers?
lost bison
mastery
dawn pivot
how much should I sim on 486?
nocturne dragon
oh ok then it makes sense, thanks for that
dawn pivot
I hit 227k
nocturne dragon
maybe try hit that 230?
unreal onyx
bit high haste cause belts from raid suck
dawn pivot
and getting mythic parts of the ones I already own
unreal onyx
even with theoretical "bis" you're better off rn
lost bison
actually yeah i lied, that sim was with gorehowl cause it sims like 300 more in st but not other builds
so haste is 25% there
twin oasis
how do you guys use the "on use" legendary
unreal onyx
like described in the pins
winter shoal
After cds
lost bison
just need mythic augury, brand and neck on my alt and he will be finished too
very poggers
unreal onyx
now you can finally start playing the game
covert blaze
@lost bison I was looking at your heroic smolderon log today
lost bison
pretty much havent done any hc since patch release
lost bison
wouldnt recommend looking at my logs tho, i suck
just click buttons
i will never get 99+ on gnarlroot
unlucky
lost bison
dont want these filthy almost-world-first guilds stealing my friends