fury

[edgy widget]

I'm just saying, the fallacy of assuming just because someone is successful doing something is the reason why they're successful is extremely common

you see it all the time, especially now that things like subcreation exists

[muted star]

This, but also with gear, stats, etc.

[unreal onyx]

looking at the 3T and 1T bloodmallet sims burning drops down to middle of the pack again

[cosmic lance]

Pretty sure the one of the top warrs was running TR for a bit - if you want to do it, that wont prevent you timing keys

[edgy widget]

especially at the start of a new season, people often see the first guy to push high keys and just assume that because he pushed high keys, he must have tightly polished his build to the nth degree, when really the guy is just out there running a fuck lot of keys

[olive wraith]

Why look at 3t?

[edgy widget]

TR is objectively good in M+, anyone who tells you otherwise is fucking lying

[dusk jackal]

someone told me yesterday that if i wait for intermission on smolderon, catch the fireballs for the buff, then use all my cooldowns, i'd be better off than using them at the beginning. I went from 1st to 4th using that strategy.

[unreal onyx]

bc it's a suggestion on the site

[edgy widget]

which is not to say that Dancing Blades cannot also be good - they simply do different things

[cosmic lance]

Not disagreeing, but the general concensus is that DB is overall the better pick

In terms of what we contribute

[edgy widget]

Yeah and that consensus was largely driven by the first few people pushing high keys running with DB

[covert blaze]

does enrage affect the leggo? aka do I need to make sure to have a fresh enrage before the active

[edgy widget]

and everyone followed suit

[olive wraith]

No

[barren dagger]

i think titaanic range is a lot easier to use for people who aren't experts pushing super high keys

[edgy widget]

which again, is not to say you can't justify using DB - it has a legitimately useful impact, but people will try to use that as reasonining for why TR is bad when it absolutely is not

[barren dagger]

at least for myself

[cosmic lance]

I mean i run DB because TR is like 1% aoe gain over time vs DB being about 4% ST, that's a no brainer choice to me

[unreal onyx]

if it's not bis it's bad

[cosmic lance]

But its not the difference between timing a key and not timing it

[olive wraith]

Pull size could make TR more than 1% probably

Like in eb?

[clever path]

From a perspective of a not super expert - titanic rage gives stacks of whirlwind , which is great for AoE. I don’t like taking dancing blades because single target isn’t as important for dungeon, as there most likely going to be a class which does ST better than me, or perhaps just as me if I have TR specced

[edgy widget]

Exactly why it depends on what you value - if 80% of your overall damage is AoE, that +1% can easily contributing more than the +4% to your ST

But of course not all keys are setup like that, and if you're more worried about priority damage, which absolutely matters, then the 4% can tilt back

[olive wraith]

Fury is great ST in m +

[barren dagger]

it also lets me proc enrage and have WW stacks on pull and i can start blasting

[clever path]

I know, this is why I don’t sweat taking DB

[unreal onyx]

fury is one of the better ST DPS in m+ afaik

[clever path]

And take titanic rage

[unreal onyx]

or prio target dps let's say

[olive wraith]

Like archi said it just depends

[cosmic lance]

But yeah the sentiment that TR is bad is just outright wrong

[olive wraith]

Both are fine

[cosmic lance]

Getting WW stacks from odyns AND avatar is actually so nice in your burst windows

[edgy widget]

Although I still have to point out the repeat irony in people lambasting the S3 tier as "holding us back in M+" while also going on about how much ST matters in high M+ now 😆

[unreal onyx]

I've been S3 since day 1

I'm still coping they subtract the bot votes and make it happen

[olive wraith]

Personally I’d rather just lean on DB and just support our prio target

[edgy widget]

that's completely fine, nobody said otherwise

[barren dagger]

tbh shit dies so fast in tyrannical week that it feels like ST is the only thing that matters lol

[cosmic lance]

Which is what most people do, you're generally overkilling AoE in dungeons and the priority targets are what slows down your key

[olive wraith]

Depends on key level

[cosmic lance]

But if you're in a situation where you need more AoE

[edgy widget]

and this is why key level and intent matters

[unreal onyx]

I play weekly 20s AD, so I can play whatever I want

might farm 2 1Hs and try smf in m+

[edgy widget]

is your intent to successfully finish the key as painlessly as possible, in which case you might wanna lean into more ST, esp on Tyrannical

or is your intent to blast meters as hard as possible, in which case AoE damage is almost always king

might even come down to a question of what actual key you're doing, and how big the pulls are

[clever path]

I wouldn’t suggest going full raid ST build tho in m+

[edgy widget]

lol probably not, but to be fair, the full ST build only gains like 2% over the AoE build 😂

meaning Execute vs WW talents

[olive wraith]

Fury being fury

[barren dagger]

which is one of our strengths i guess

[edgy widget]

it is

[clever path]

Is it possible to spec into ashen juggernaut somehow while not loosing cleave ?

[edgy widget]

sure it's possible, but you'd have to lose something else

[cosmic lance]

You lose something else more important to do it

[edgy widget]

exactly

[olive wraith]

Drop ss or bloodcraze

[clever path]

Rip

[edgy widget]

reason we drop Ashen is because it's the least important in a M+ setting, where you're unlikely to have particularly good uptime at high stacks on the bonus

[olive wraith]

I’d probably take massacre over AJ

[unreal onyx]

im still sad that execute is so underwhelming for fury rn

should be their main thing to press imo

[edgy widget]

I disagree

[olive wraith]

[edgy widget]

let that be Arms territory

[clever path]

Isn’t execute arms ?

[olive wraith]

As long we don’t have a tier focused around execute I’m fine with how it is

[unreal onyx]

imo it should be for all warriors since that's what I think of when hearing execute

not specifically arms

[unreal onyx]

S1

[clever path]

I think heroic leap , charge and ww

[cosmic lance]

Again though, when you buff our execute damage they take away some of our dps for the other section of the fight

[olive wraith]

Ya. Did you see how many votes it got 😂

[unreal onyx]

yes

the playstyle actually was pretty fun imo

just very underwhelmingly tuned

[olive wraith]

At least our execute phase is solid this season

[unreal onyx]

shoutout VC

but now it's not our "execute" phase, it's out "VC" phase

[olive wraith]

Ima use that

[cosmic lance]

It's quite funny that it's held onto that phrasing from wayyy back when we were the only class that had execute mechanics

[clever path]

Diablo 3 barbarian has a lot of abilities that we still haven’t seen on warrior tbf

They’d fit well

[twilit pumice]

Upheaval would fuck

[olive wraith]

That’s an Aug thing isn’t it

[twilit pumice]

Damn lizards

[edgy widget]

all Warriors have Execute

[clever belfry]

yes they have that

[edgy widget]

the ability simply is not the prime focus for Fury, which is fine

[clever path]

They took err jobs

[edgy widget]

it's an enabler, and it does it well

[unreal onyx]

yes I know, I meant that it should be a very powerful spell for all specs

powerful relative to others obv

[upbeat sentinel]

That would just lead to us being an execute phase spec that sucks outside of it

[clever path]

This

[unreal onyx]

iirc S1 tier balanced it pretty well

distribution-wise

but overall underwhelming numbers

have the occasional execute, but then having the crit dmg buff kick in fully in actual execute with keeping up the stacks of aj

[meager gyro]

umm you guys, when I say I play SMF, this is what I mean

[edgy widget]

you can have it

[upbeat sentinel]

I almost wish execute replaced smth in the rotation during its phase

[clever path]

I talked to the guys on Rogue discord , they said it’s just super spaz gameplay because of high APM and also requires stealth

[snow edge]

SMF, a far worse version of Rogue

[cosmic lance]

Was SMF actually viable with mythic fyrakk weapons?

[sudden tusk]

no

better then before? yes good enough? no

[upbeat sentinel]

When Titans grip has access to a legendary and gorehowl nothing SMF does will compare

[cursive solar]

What about lego axe with the fyrakk 1 hander?

[cosmic lance]

Gorehowl is irrelevant, and the fyrakk weapons are actually insane

[humble plover]

Never use both

[upbeat sentinel]

(Gorehowl isn’t rly great but THE THEME MAN)

[clever path]

Overrated really

[unreal onyx]

fyrakk 1H will always get out-DPSd by any 2H in the same ilvl

[snow edge]

Even Fyrakk 1h v. Normal 2h loses out

[olive wraith]

Unless maybe last fall boss

[meager gyro]

dude outlaw is so fast paced, ikts' amazing

[unreal onyx]

that's a very specific scenario

[clever path]

Yeah they shown me the chart there lol

[olive wraith]

The only one I can think of that gholak might win

[edgy widget]

you actually can do some funny stuff with a Mythic Gholak

[unreal onyx]

even then I would guess it's at least still equal (I didn't sim)

[hard widget]

Last boss in fall is a good example for this 😄

[upbeat sentinel]

Like go prot?

[snow edge]

I did sim it awhile back, it was close

[olive wraith]

Hey that’s what I said lmao

[snow edge]

Like not an outrageous delta

[hard widget]

Oh shit

I didnt see that Kalaiath

[olive wraith]

[clever path]

This chart

[meager gyro]

getting a mythic gholak is the issue, why I didn't take it seriously

[olive wraith]

That’s literally the only fight I would think

[upbeat sentinel]

Wheres the full one

[olive wraith]

Just kill fyrakk weekly

Easy

[slender crescent]

So anyone else in the I have killed fyraak every week available and still no lego club while friends and guildies have gotten theirs and had me craft pieces for the them club?

[clever path]

Dunno mate, just shown me this

[olive wraith]

Vast majority of the population

[upbeat sentinel]

Yes

[humble plover]

Just loot it lol

[olive wraith]

Well that doesn’t have it

[humble plover]

Not that hard

[olive wraith]

Idk about weekly clear

[unreal onyx]

most people don't have lego still I think

[clever path]

I saw a 427 ret get it today from boost I was doing

[unreal onyx]

this discord just overproportionately shows people that get it

[cursive solar]

In my guild only our blood DK has gotten it so far

[clever path]

I cried

[unreal onyx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

[cursive solar]

linking some article like I can read

[slender crescent]

#warriorbrain

[cursive solar]

Speaking of, I'm going to miss this season's set bonus

[upbeat sentinel]

Just pay $225 duh

[clever belfry]

Baader-Meinhof 💀

[slender crescent]

same

[meager gyro]

how much it cost to kill mythic fyrakk until it drops that week ?

[low phoenix]

how do you think the season 2 fury set will compete with arms season 1?

[sullen dove]

arms probably just will be better for raid/boss damage without question

[meager gyro]

unless we get aura buff, arms will be more dmg

[clever path]

25 mil gold

[sullen dove]

they prolly can kinda tango in m+ tho

[young swan]

one sec lemme just

[low phoenix]

sadge arms patch

[dawn pivot]

does the crafted belt have a socket?

[young swan]

🔮 🧙‍♂️

[clever belfry]

"probably" "without question"
bit dissonant don't u think

[sullen dove]

xan is certified orb ponderer

[unreal onyx]

great, I can add a m+15 that will give me low ilvl gear

[sullen dove]

nah I’d win

[meager gyro]

I already did that for you, just cope arms

[clever path]

But one weapon in hand

[upbeat sentinel]

Hitting the “premium team” button makes it $900

[dawn pivot]

how to get the leg weapon as fury?

[clever path]

Why have 1 weapon in hand when you can have 2 weapon s

[upbeat sentinel]

Which I’m not sure what the fuck that even means lmao

[clever belfry]

I've never had a wrong prediction
(except how they gonna handle the tier sets)

[sullen dove]

weep every week

until it happens

[young swan]

we only have arm weapons unfortunately

[dense elbow]

Kill Fyrakk and pray

[unreal onyx]

kill fyrakk on the highest difficulty you can every week

[clever belfry]

Legs warrior spec will be good next tier

but only on 2t

[dawn pivot]

should I also kill on normal?

[upbeat sentinel]

Gotta swap your loot spec to arms!!!!!

[unreal onyx]

if you kill hc, no

[sullen dove]

mountain thane legs spec

[clever path]

Ascandy + lege

[sullen dove]

your only damage is heroic leaping on bosses

[clever path]

Yes pls

[edgy widget]

Yeah, leg it on over to the bench and sit the fuck down

[upbeat sentinel]

💀

[unreal onyx]

me when S2 wins

[clever belfry]

surely i will be benched

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

i will be a punch and kick merchant in s4

[unreal onyx]

panda

[young swan]

enjoy throwing an axe on the floor and having your tank move out of it

[edgy widget]

time to hire some new yellow names

[clever path]

Is it a pandaren kicker puncher I hope ?

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

I am either MWing or woyerung fated

[upbeat sentinel]

NOW YOU KNOW HOW DKS FEEL

[sullen dove]

I will enjoy hit cleave button thank you very much

[storm rune]

I was really starting to enjoy fury but IG it's back to arms next season

[young swan]

unfortunately even if I dont play the spec i would probably be more knowledgeable than 95% of the chatters in fury

[clever belfry]

dks literally aren't human (they're corpses)

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

u know nothing

[sullen dove]

bent by gajeel

[clever belfry]

who doesn't.

[unreal onyx]

I know 2 people that are in the 5% but they got banned bc they knew too much

[sullen dove]

fr

[upbeat sentinel]

The fact that blizzard refuses to just have death and decay move with the DK, and say he’s just overflowing with unholy energy or whatever, is so fkn painful in PuGs

[sullen dove]

roidstack was warrior mastermind

We were just too simple to see his visions

[snow edge]

Xan accidentally loots axe week 1 and thinks he’s a fury god

[upbeat sentinel]

Xan was also accidentally born 😦

[young swan]

no actually i looted the axe because i am a fury god (i havent been good since ep)

[clever belfry]

defile or w/e it is also has the worst ground anim

[unreal onyx]

what if the raidbots devs intentionally screw the apl in the first weeks to get all the loot that sims bad for people and then fix it to show how good it actually is

[clever belfry]

realistic scenario

[clever path]

Yes the grey gaagoo

[sullen dove]

the what the what now

[upbeat sentinel]

What if they make us look bad in sims to get us buffed

[young swan]

this is actually a very consistent stratagem executed by the light purple and light blue men

[clever belfry]

the hunter strat

[restive peak]

Linc wants an axe to be mediocre with 😦

[clever belfry]

(this has actually happened before)

[dull sierra]

cowfarmers for yellowname

[sullen dove]

☝️

king shit

[clever belfry]

🐮 🧑‍🌾

[sullen dove]

best warr in this disc and that’s a fact

[clever belfry]

gajoolin rn

[sullen dove]

“i didn’t rank 1 rashok this time and did 1k dps less because I got aug buffed”

[restive peak]

@young swan time to rename to Xan the Betrayer 😦 you don’t wanna be no WW monk bruh

[sullen dove]

gill knee ass got nothing on the king 🐮

[young swan]

its my next favorite spec after fury ofc i do

[dawn pivot]

what are the premium features of raidbots?

except sim all dungs

[upbeat sentinel]

Not sucking

[restive peak]

Gajeel by far best NA warr man, I was his water boy for a very brief time and he did things to my ego I’ve never fully recovered from

[clever path]

Do we have these 2 peeps here ?

[restive peak]

They come here sometimes

[upbeat sentinel]

@autumn mica

[dull sierra]

queue skip + more iterations

[upbeat sentinel]

I can’t find Noxiv

[young swan]

he will say that doxic and illhitu are better/on par so I will say it as well

hes here

[restive peak]

Noxiv ensuring I’ll never be #1 NA with a solid 70 points over me

[sullen dove]

good thing cowfarm isn’t na

[clever belfry]

noob

[restive peak]

Guess I could see the trinity of those 3, that’s fair

[snow edge]

@hallow sphinx is MVP for keeping Xan humble

[dull sierra]

https://www.twitch.tv/noxivv

[unreal onyx]

just get more score??

[restive peak]

Am dogwater bruh D:

[young swan]

im very humble

[clever belfry]

[restive peak]

I trying bae

[clever belfry]

why my guy be havin nya~~ mog on his avatar noo

[upbeat sentinel]

That’s what all truly humble people say

[snow edge]

I’ll let Gajeel be the judge of that

[clever path]

My brother in Christ is here in the big 10s

Sheeeeeeeeet

[unreal onyx]

still no leggo

[clever belfry]

linc no 30 timed?

[restive peak]

No leggo and 483 augury gaming

[sullen dove]

fr leggo insta +100 score

[clever belfry]

i timed 30 with ele and ww

[upbeat sentinel]

Dogwater

[clever belfry]

[restive peak]

Listen my WCM was only like 25mins slow bruh

[young swan]

im about as humble as any reasonably competitive person could be hows that

[restive peak]

But nah I had a few 26/27s still last week so I was more worried about them being 28/29

[clever path]

Is this critcakes alt ?

[restive peak]

And we got awful 30s off the 29s

[hard widget]

no

Kekw

[dull sierra]

crit is on silvermoon

[restive peak]

That guy came outta nowhere btw

He was like…not on the chart, then passed me in a few days

[clever belfry]

chad

[young swan]

gajeel prob gonna start pushing soon

[restive peak]

Gib leggo pls

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

maybe next season i play warrior m+

[young swan]

he acquired the stick of orange

[coarse nest]

Under cover zero to title

[restive peak]

I’m pretty sure I’m title rangin barring nerfs anyway at this point

[coarse nest]

Crit

[clever belfry]

but ill be writing thesis next season hmm

[dull sierra]

got orange stick then insta rank 6

[sudden tusk]

im hard afking keys util i get lego

[dull sierra]

waiting for my stick

[sudden tusk]

push week in 2 weeks

hopefully have it before then

[unreal onyx]

I have stick and I only do 20s AD

[restive peak]

Yeah I missed 28 EB by 4 secs and all I thought was “leggo would’ve changed this”

[clever path]

We all are but it seems ret alts are getting it faster

It’s a conspiracy

[clever belfry]

gg

[restive peak]

I blame augs

[clever belfry]

healer having belor also

[restive peak]

So you’re part of the problem bruh

😛

[clever belfry]

Whats aug got to do with this...

[sudden tusk]

im about to do fyrakk flr on my pally just so i can hate myself

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

blame mage

we hate mages more

[restive peak]

True

True true true

Alright I promised the wife I wouldn’t play WoW tn so I’m off to jail, luv yu all

[dull sierra]

boomie hate > mage hate > wl hate > aug hate

[clever belfry]

what the chicken do

[dull sierra]

exist

[unreal onyx]

cya luv

[clever path]

Baibai

[sullen dove]

hanging with your wife is jail?

[unreal onyx]

no skyhold = jail

[sullen dove]

[dull sierra]

skyhold is worse than jail

99% of the time

[clever path]

Skyhold is a psych ward

[unreal onyx]

skyhold is peak humanity

[dull sierra]

equipping grippy socks upon entering

[sullen dove]

idk if I’d call anyone in here “human”

[unreal onyx]

millions of years of evolution and it all peaked at hundreds of people coming together in here to say dumb stuff

[sullen dove]

more like… prime ape territory

[dull sierra]

ook ook

[clever path]

Ookin in your dookin

I was silenced on forums btw for saying ook your dook

Dorks

[iron portal]

True...

Still trying to escape

[dire badge]

she was so real for this

[unreal onyx]

but... you're here

so you escaped

[iron portal]

Did i though

[clever path]

Have you guys 3 chested all dragon races ?

The advanced course

[unreal onyx]

I did the easiest races everywhere for rep farm at the start of patches

and never touched any again

[clever path]

I tried them new races , I don’t understand how to 3 chest advanced courses , but I just wonder how is that possible

[edgy widget]

spoken a lot like someone who has never been to jail!

[unreal onyx]

spoken a lot like someone who has been to jail

[edgy widget]

once or twice

[unreal onyx]

we do a little bit of tomfoolery (felonies)

[upbeat sentinel]

He probably assaulted another theorycrafter, because the Noxxic one clearly has brain damage

[clever path]

Who is Noxxic?

[edgy widget]

and nobody remembers their name, either

[upbeat sentinel]

Not even them

[clever path]

Lore time

[edgy widget]

na, rn its turkey sandwich time

[unreal onyx]

good times

[autumn mica]

@clever path Hello yes im here what did i do ;o

im half asleep

[wild mural]

W

[snow edge]

It’s a website

[clever path]

Oh I didn’t tag you, I was just curious if you were on this discord haha

[slender crescent]

Sir its cold outside. Its gumbo time

[edgy widget]

turkey can be hot

[deep sapphire]

So I have a question. With the Leggo protection when I use the item am I supposed to start progressively losing more and more health per each use?

[north edge]

are the frostfire leggards of preparation any good for M+?

looks like the #1 ranked fury in the world is using them

[edgy widget]

the item does deal a small amount of damage to you, but I'm not aware of them dealing progressively more damage - ofc I've never really looked that hard

[edgy widget]

they're ok, but you don't get great value out of them unless you're pulling very rapidly

[autumn mica]

oh was @upbeat sentinel XD

[autumn mica]

Yeah im using them !

😝

[deep sapphire]

The only thing I’ve heard is that if it kills you from 100% then it’s guaranteed apparently. So that’s why I was wondering if it normally does more and more damage and I’ve just been unlucky. Also do I need to do LFR Fyrakk and I’m clearing Normal and heroic?

[unreal onyx]

I have never heard that before

you in theory only have to kill heroic and be done for the week

(you can clear heroic before for lessers, but we do not know how much of an impact they have)

[glad plover]

Well I reached 3400rio, may stop it here this season

[slender crescent]

I stopped at 2500

[edgy widget]

I stopped after like week 4 lol

[deep sapphire]

You guys are getting IO?

[slender crescent]

And basically didn't do any fortified keys

[deep sapphire]

The meme has been completed.

[edgy widget]

haven't heard, but I also haven't spent any time looking into it

sounds susy to me but 🤷‍♂️

[north edge]

is it worth buying the +avoidance BOEs? im pushing +26 keys atm

[slender crescent]

I think I would have to stack up like 8 of them to kill me

[clever belfry]

not for 26 unless ure RICH

[north edge]

but trying to weigh in on whether having a extra 700 avoidance would be worth it vs the 1 mil that it would cost

[clever belfry]

warrior is p fucking tanky u shouldn't need that.

[north edge]

still getting one shotted if casts go off this week though lol

[cosmic lance]

avoidance wont help mobs casting on you

[slender crescent]

You don't need avoidance if you move fast enough to dodge

[clever belfry]

very few casts are avoidancable

[clever belfry]

Ah yes

[north edge]

i thoughti t was every aoe

like that shadowbolt volley thing from Rise first part

[slender crescent]

Also keep spell reflect on cd

[clever belfry]

Volleys are not aoe

Volleys are targeted

[cosmic lance]

stuff like that is multiple single target

[clever belfry]

(most of the time, not always, but that one is)

[north edge]

oh how the hell do you tell

[clever belfry]

look at log

check mitigation% on hit and compare to defensives + vers + avoid up

there's probably also a way to see via spell flags on wowhead but im not 100% positive

[hallow sphinx]

🫡

[slender crescent]

we have a healer named xan in my guild, every raid night I remind him of the time he let use down by not healing the brambles on larodar, and for letting me bleed out by not knowing the name of the mana pots

[snow edge]

🫡

[dapper goblet]

xan is a known gaslighter

[upbeat sentinel]

I didn’t do it

Lies

[sullen dove]

🤖

[slim coral]

[rugged hornet]

so our Mastery affects the Dot damage of the legendary

[upbeat sentinel]

It affects all damage

[warm crag]

it shouldnt affect it

it'd be weird if it did

[upbeat sentinel]

The mastery literally says “increases damage while enraged”

[past pivot]

Vers is the only things that impacts the leggo I thought

[warm crag]

yeah it increases all fury abilities, it does not affect your trinkets/items/procs whatever

[rugged hornet]

no its going up when i hit rampage

avatar doesnt affect its damage

but the mastery does

thats neat

[warm crag]

yeah the tooltip changes when you're enraged but only by like 20% what the fuck lmao

[rugged hornet]

better than nothing

[modest condor]

the active or the dot?

[warm crag]

dot

[rugged hornet]

the dot

[modest condor]

yeah because it scales with haste

[warm crag]

rolled

not a mastery thing then

[rugged hornet]

rip forgoto about that

[modest condor]

lol

[upbeat sentinel]

L

Was hoping it would

[rugged hornet]

hey one can dream!

[modest condor]

imagine

we back in legion

[warm crag]

me when battle cry

dos

[upbeat sentinel]

Imagine roots with enrage

[warm crag]

we paid dearly

[upbeat sentinel]

From branch

[warm crag]

we'd still be running beacon probably

[silk wharf]

Hey warriors. we're just starting Nymue prog and its looking like I have to scuff the opener to have cds up for trees. tahts worth it right?

[warm crag]

what is your raid dps like to need to optimize cds like that

[modest condor]

that doesnt sound right

[warm crag]

you can just pop cds on cd on nymue and it should line up somewhat well

[silk wharf]

oh, im not apying attention to that. just noticing they are 9ish seconds from being usable

[modest condor]

if using your opener normally doesnt get them up for the adds then you dont need damage on the adds anyway

[upbeat sentinel]

Y’all P U M P I N

[silk wharf]

They come up about 30~% into the tree. it helps of course to use them but if I sac a little on the opener it feels like I could do a bit more.

[warm crag]

are you actually wiping to not killing the trees in time

[silk wharf]

more general mistakes right now. only a few pulls.

[warm crag]

ye dont worry about it

just send your stuff on cd

[young swan]

it does not

[modest condor]

:slowpoke:

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[rugged hornet]

yea we figured that out

[silk wharf]

Fucking draught of souls ruining all of warriors fun

[young swan]

yeah kinda just blizzard being cowardly after one expansion where trinkets got out of control

[warm crag]

yet you like cof

curious?

[young swan]

cof wasnt even the trinket that "got out of control"

[warm crag]

noob destroyed

[young swan]

it was draught, moonglaives, signal beacon

[warm crag]

i win by default

[young swan]

and honestly it was mostly just a symptom of all of the cd's being fucking DISGUSTING

just a million damage amps stacked togethrer

[warm crag]

nerf fury

[silk wharf]

those weapons

[sullen dove]

for purposes of both using cds effectively and pure parsing I find it best to be placed on first middle add so you can use your cooldowns on it during execute without reserve since typically it’s not dead by 1:35-1:40~ into the fight anyway

kill times of boss will also likely affect that but if just newly progging you’re probably gonna have to do all 3 intermissions and if you’re put on second or third middle add cuz fury is a live lord it’s kinda whatever, but generally you’d have to hold cds somewhat to use on both of those sets vs there’s no holding when you’re on first add

tho at that point if you are on a later add and your goal is to just kill the boss and not worry about damage too much you should be fine to send on boss on pull then not send on first add set and save until you’re back on boss and it’d basically line itself up on second add set

[silk wharf]

I see what you're saying, yea. I would be third going into the mythic add

iirc

[sullen dove]

ok so yea third add spawns around I think it was 5:30-5:40?

you normally wouldn’t have any cds there tho without holding but there’s potential if you use like on cooldown every time they come up around the 6:05 mark and you blow it up with execute BB’s

idk how long exactly you have on middle add from start to finish

[silk wharf]

yea, Whats the time limit on that guy? Im sure I got told it but ive forgotten

Haha

nv

nvm

[sullen dove]

whenever his energy bar fills and then his cast completes

i guess you can maybe time it by checking a log where you wipe to the explosion and try and see when the first person started damaging that add

and subtract the times

But it’s probably around 30 seconds

[slim coral]

We might suck but atleast we're cool

[dapper goblet]

all this math gunna be gone with fated is out...

[silk wharf]

30 sounds about right. A nice round number

[sullen dove]

boss timers ain’t changing

[dapper goblet]

math...

[sullen dove]

only thing that changes is meaningful cd usage

cuz they won’t mean anything

ravager every mob always

[silk wharf]

well ty for the insights @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

🫡

[slim coral]

Hype!

Can't wait to bottom the meteres next tier too poggies

[sullen dove]

surely this isn’t a boss damage only ranking

and can’t rly see any of the other information

[slim coral]

sure it is

[past pivot]

Like anyone will care for fated

[slim coral]

Better?

[sullen dove]

yes fury known for boss damage on 6/9 bosses that involve holding cds to pad on adds harder

why don’t we do more boss damage

feel like just damage usually is better to look at

[slim coral]

we do no boss damage regardlesss

[sullen dove]

Fury could be a little higher if they full st every boss, but no one’s doing that

[slim coral]

arms can't

[sullen dove]

the one gigachad that runs pure st talents and spear on tindral

[slim coral]

can't have both specs in bad spots

just not good class design

[sullen dove]

yea arms is missing an extra 6% aura buff

to make like what 24% for the xpac

[slim coral]

yeah try 20 percent

[sullen dove]

[rugged hornet]

funny how the dot for fury does no damage compared to like a ret pally, guess they stack all vers? right?

[slim coral]

ret does no dmg either

in ST

bring it to a key and watch how low it is

[sullen dove]

ya prolly stat diffs

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gromnak-gif-22401493

[dapper goblet]

💀

[slim coral]

Until next buffs

[sullen dove]

[north edge]

theres not gonna be buffs

MDI is starting soon

[dapper goblet]

just because the cds come up more doesnt mean they're anyless meaninful

[north edge]

they're not gonna tune

[slim coral]

bro blizzard doesnt give two fucks about mdi

if they did they wouldnt of released the god comp patch last tier

[sullen dove]

imo the only time cds like that matter if is if u line them up with damage amps/execute ranges on mobs/or adds

[slim coral]

yeah but that's very rare

most of the time unless you wanna pad you can just use cds when up

unless the one fights like tindral and smolderon

[noble elm]

Always send

[sullen dove]

but yea idk it’s not as impactful to save a reck rav for execute on a nymue add than it is a full avatar/spear combo

it’s a small buff but you don’t rly notice it

[slim coral]

I don't recall one fight where cd usage mattered last tier

you just sent on cd

maybe echo

but even then you can send

[lucid owl]

sucks when your minmaxing on smolderon to get orbs to spawn farther out so you can get cds back up. and 1 orb comes in hella early. i also seem to only get maybe 1 BB with spear/ava and orbs in intermission 1

[noble elm]

There’s times when you should hold, nimue adds prob a good example, but that’s less “matters” and more “I lose dps that doesn’t change the outcome of the fight”

[sullen dove]

yea I mean on like sark and stuff you either played the 99% reck uptime game to send 4th cd p1 or you just held for 30 seconds

[slim coral]

well that was really rng based

[sullen dove]

ya

[slim coral]

and if you got autumn

and had an enhancement shaman

whcih I didnt

[sullen dove]

[slim coral]

so I never go to except 1 out of 60 pulls

[sullen dove]

do you pick up first ball like as you are running out when the 2 rings are in melee for the first time? Or does one enter you before then

usually when I’m walking out to collect the timing is pretty decent

[lucid owl]

yeah i get it more often where when i run out i get all 5

jsut every now and then a random 1 comes in a bit early lol

im trying to get used to where to stand for knock back to make it most optimal

[sullen dove]

what can be weird though is if you didnt get enough odyn cdr you might be in a place where you don’t get to send all 6 empowered bb’s with buff

[rugged hornet]

also another leggo question, is it worth using the 2min cd

[sullen dove]

ya

[rugged hornet]

if so what like mob count is it good for

[sullen dove]

less mob count and more you try to use it to funnel a huge target with lots of stacks on little shitty mobs

[lucid owl]

yeah so ive been sending reck + odyn when they are ready to be used when i have the full amp. then we run out and thats when i spear + ava. and get like 1 bb or so before orbs out

[sullen dove]

unless ur tryina pog overall

[rugged hornet]

got it ty

[sullen dove]

when I don’t play like a dumpster garbage baby man typically my odyn comes up like 3-4 seconds before reck does and I insta send it

my goal is to get 4 empowered bbs off before I run out, then I like pre throw spear while I’m out, charge in and ramp > bb x2 to finish the last 2 in spear

you pretty much can’t hit 3 in spear with buff if u run out, so sometimes if odyns is lacking behind I just eat ring cuz I’m unethical

[burnt stone]

A question suddenly occurred to me: does the effect of VC apply to other nearby targets through the WW buff rather than the main target?

[sullen dove]

but my rule of thumb to kinda know ahead of time if I have to do that or not is if I send an odyns before he starts walking to the middle, or just as I feel pretty safe I’ll get it back in time, but that’s also me bting every other global semi ignoring correct prio

[sullen dove]

pretty sure it does? Unless tooltip specifically says no

[modest condor]

if a target is below 35% they get vc applied to them

[hard widget]

Sil i was looking for you to form a double warrior group in lfg tsss

Unlucky

[burnt stone]

Thank you. I was wondering if I should change my main target because of VC.

[sullen dove]

regardless if ur progging the boss you probably shouldn’t be eating a ring unless you’re super comfortable with it, but generally if u can’t squeeze the extra odyns in before intermission starts it’s prolly more valuable to just hold it until you pick up balls and you get a ton of free time to rip those 3 BB’s on boss

[modest condor]

kick someone real quick

[sullen dove]

then when reck/av come up you use them and send like 1 bb while you run away from boss, and last 2 bbs are in spear when u charge back on boss

[hardy cargo]

If it’s the only target under 35% it will do more dmg to target swap to it. But this week just stay on prio target bc bolster

[sullen dove]

i guess this also depends on how you do your opener if u watch le epic critcake vid it’s def best to Ava spear as soon as possible so it’s back asap in intermiss, so like my just regular on pull opener is reck charge rampage avatar spear bb ramp odyns bb > continue

you might clip some odyns dot time but I’d rather take the free extra 3 seconds of cdr that way, if it doesn’t seem like it’s a problem u can do a second bb then odyns

[lucid owl]

@sullen dove yea if i get odyn before he goes into the middle ill send it. cause ill most likely get it up for amp. but its learning curve for sure

[sullen dove]

[flat river]

Guys

I luv u

[burnt stone]

I understand intellectually that I need to target a target with low health for high DPS, but because of the short attack range, I often do not change the main target because the skill is not cast after changing the target.

[lucid owl]

it just depends. sometimes ill charge in at start of intermission then run out and get to liek start of 2nd to last ring. and drop out

[modest condor]

you can use a mouseover macro for bt

[burnt stone]

There are many cases where a target that appears close through the name tag is actually out of range lol

[dapper goblet]

@clever path king

👑 🧎‍♂️

[burnt stone]

I spend too much gold making legendary weapons, so I have a part-time job as a skinner.

[sullen dove]

cowfarmers has weapon

[dapper goblet]

🧎‍♂️

only the farmer of cows can save us.

[sullen dove]

the warrior to lead all warriors

[modest condor]

is a cow farmer someone who farms cows or a cow who farms?

[noble elm]

How does one farm cows

[burnt stone]

Actually, my nickname is the nickname of famous Korean football player “Son Heung-min”.

[covert blaze]

THAT'S A GOBLIN?

[idle crown]

not cow related but I've been using RB so far but recently got 2 of the tier set so I've been trying to learn BT. I feel like I'm struggling with a lot of downtime and not generating enough rage whereas i didn't struggle as much with RB

[versed haven]

Yo how do you have 2 axes

[summer quail]

would advise not using annihilator until you have 4p

[covert blaze]

you can transmog your offhand into the leggo

[sullen dove]

8 hours in an airport later finally on the plane

[broken river]

So how does it work? S2 won in EU but S3 won in NA… do the regions get their own respective season ?

[sullen dove]

almost def not

only 1 set probably s2 but they haven’t said squat if they gonna pretend to care about multi character voting or whatever

[broken river]

I’m also in an airport for 3 hours been flying all day lol

[sullen dove]

see no reason for them to anyway

[sullen dove]

🫡

[broken river]

But like the set bonuses

[sullen dove]

they should just add… the top two winning sets

[past pivot]

EU disqualified for being overly European.

[sullen dove]

and like you can play whatever u want in whatever content

like fr don’t even think balancing sets matters ppl will make what they wanna play work out

honestly would be curious how the highest of m+ will go with certain dungeon pools if one set performs better than another

like rlp being full of dangerous bosses and mini bosses wouldn’t be crazy if s3 just better there

and idk ravager pad algethar or something with lots of mobs

[flat river]

Everyone here is a chad. Warriors, either season 2 or 3 lovers, you are all chads and i luv u

[sullen dove]

not chad until leggo unfortunately

[flat river]

U are a cha-

XD

[sullen dove]

chap

[nova garnet]

Who wants to give me $1000

My phone is dying q.q

Memes aside, anyone ever diy phone repairs? I'm considering swapping battery and charging port when I get a new phone, just to experiment and try to figure it out

[dapper goblet]

who asked

[olive wraith]

Probably best to sim

[midnight cairn]

Oh my, Season 2 won, and theres no new content... Is Season 4 a pass?

[wanton mirage]

can anyone share me a macro that cast spear on cursor when learnt, otherwise cast thunderous roar

[oblique trail]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Champion's Spear,@cursor]Champion's Spear; [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

[teal valve]

Im seeing some fury warriors using Lariat, you guys think its worth it ? i love lariat but sims lower to me

[oblique trail]

If it for some reason doesn't work

#showtooltip
/cast Thunderous Roar
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear

[glad coyote]

is afflicted busted?

[olive wraith]

Lariat will only pull ahead in aoe

[glad coyote]

people complaining that they cant dispell when

[teal valve]

y

[wanton mirage]

ty Banezi

[past pivot]

It's slightly better than SF in MT if you have full sockets

[balmy shore]

need ur blessings

[teal valve]

same here

[balmy shore]

gl gamer

[nova garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/animedancethingyidk-gif-14601957099422007912

Take blessing 🙏

[sullen dove]

[teal valve]

You too

[hardy cargo]

Gl, surely we kill next raid night as well

[covert blaze]

gl

[blissful kestrel]

Why champions spear?

Isn't it spear of bastion

[past pivot]

changed

[covert blaze]

They changed it this reset

[blissful kestrel]

Oh true my PC died so I haven't been able to play

[clever path]

smoldy boys

can you dwarf the dot on smold?

when you get hit by ring

[hallow sphinx]

🫡

[brittle crow]

how long are people taking to kill council?

our group is wiping at like 2% to hard enrage

xd

[half cargo]

Bruh

[oblique trail]

what

[half cargo]

That fight is like zero dps check

[oblique trail]

our fastest kill is 5:26

how do you hit enrage

[covert blaze]

🧎‍♂️

[whole zephyr]

There isn’t a hard enrage

[young swan]

pretty sure there is

[brittle crow]

its at 8 min

[oblique trail]

how do you make council last 8 minutes

[young swan]

ducky duck duck

[oblique trail]

that is some insane terrorism then by ducks

[brittle crow]

not my fault im on duck duty

[oblique trail]

if you somehow duck people enough to make it go that long

[hallow sphinx]

🫶

[brittle crow]

me and my duck buddy are on point

its everyone else

[young swan]

why the fuck are you on duck duty

what kind of creature guild are u in

[brittle crow]

cuz i dont like this fight zzz

[half cargo]

Love how this gets more and more cursed

[young swan]

im disengaging

[brittle crow]

who SHOULD u put on duck duty
a ranged dps with good defensives?

dumb

[oblique trail]

Idk people are just not using both their hands if you hit enrage on council

[brittle crow]

ya we have some questionable gamers i think

[oblique trail]

Either because they die for w/e reason or because they don't press buttons to do damage

The absolute messiest of kills we've had went as far as 7 minutes

[summer quail]

we have 2 hunters on duck duty

[young swan]

either bm hunters or augvokers

one of the 2

literally NEVER melee

[oblique trail]

one of our kills we had 2 locks on the duty

good memes

[brittle crow]

our one evoker is dev lmao

[oblique trail]

dev on council

[summer quail]

reject aug

[oblique trail]

that's questionable

mentally playing dev on that fight

it must be torture

[balmy shore]

ty gajeel big fan

we do 1 bm hunter 1 aug for our duckie ducks

[brittle crow]

that would be smart but

i volunteered xoxo i like ducks

[sage smelt]

we did it

[tardy lark]

real gajeel?

[hardy cargo]

gratz

silly, gajeel isnt real

[tardy lark]

ah that explains it

[wanton mirage]

is there any noticeable nature dmage in M+ dungeons?

[oblique trail]

Everbloom

Treeman in DHT

dragon too I think

[hard widget]

What are u gonna proc it with

[oblique trail]

Fire damage?

[covert blaze]

Does the leggo proc it

[oblique trail]

anything works

lego, trinkets

[covert blaze]

4Head

[hard widget]

I asked it to Crex 🙂

[wanton mirage]

shadowflame embellish is the only fire one i have

maybe signet brand in raid

[hard widget]

I believe the shocking disclosure pot procs the nature effect too

[wanton mirage]

bring back Odyn Fury fire damage

[sudden tusk]

theres a decent amount

Eb/ToTT/ Gala Fall/Rise/Waycrest/ Atal

most of them have nature

[dapper goblet]

shocking disclosure on tree boss in academis

so epic

[slim coral]

that potion fucks there can confirm

[wanton mirage]

what is special for that potion on tree boss?

[dapper goblet]

playing non aoe capped class

was good times

[sullen dove]

that room was good as arms when you didn’t have any other aoe class in the dungeon

imagine the legendary boss damage funnel tho on that guy holy

[summer quail]

i even saw groups look for arms warriors specifically for AA. good times

[sullen dove]

pre 0.5 arms kinda cursed tho

u go full aoe that dungeon and do piss st

[dapper goblet]

xan would still call it bad

(free 25k sim increase)

[sullen dove]

tru

[dapper goblet]

(funnel)

(cool animation)

(orange)

(496)

[sullen dove]

“Brand is 7k sim dps over rezan equal ilvl”

[dapper goblet]

(cof best trinket ever but hates am (they did the same thing))

yeah the signet sim at the start of the expansion was some wild shit

quirky 15k dps increase randomly

[sullen dove]

start of the xpac? Or u mean patch

[dapper goblet]

patch

tier rather

[sullen dove]

surely we will quickly and efficiently rekill smolderon in a small amount of pulls tonight and no one flies off the handle

[modest condor]

first rekill?

[sullen dove]

second to unlock skip

[modest condor]

gl

[sullen dove]

we did it pretty fast last week I think but last night spent 2 and a half hours wiping

very many silent blips from ppl just leaving the barren wasteland of that discord channel at the end

back on home pc it’s time to game hard and attack boss good strong

[dapper goblet]

just dont soak the tank slam so you can never fuck up not getting orbs

boss wont deep dick you

200 iq

[balmy shore]

@young swan I did the thing u said i died to the fire beam in that last bomb set

[dapper goblet]

do not listen to xan

[sullen dove]

[dapper goblet]

first step

[balmy shore]

he said it's ritual to surge into death

i didn't get it

[dapper goblet]

hate xan

[balmy shore]

now i get it

why do u hate xan

[sinful spoke]

jackie

leggo yet?

[balmy shore]

nay

[sinful spoke]

sadge

saw a bunch of ppl get leggo in the last few days

u get it next week

it means the blp is working

[past pivot]

Vantus rune is the key I still say. Worked for me

[brittle crow]

we downed council

it was so scuffed

but its down

[modest condor]

grats

[brittle crow]

we had a guardian druid tanking at the end for the last 1% of each boss

[summer quail]

have fun on nymue, genuinely really like that boss

[brittle crow]

no duck on this fight so im good to parse 7%

i genuinely dont know why i parse so low idk if its gear or what

[dapper goblet]

know xan as long as i have and you'll understand

he is the enemy

[summer quail]

he's french canadian

[dapper goblet]

xan with long hair = normal human

ever since he got it cut he's been a freak

[summer quail]

ilvl? doubt it's that low when you're killing council(assuming you've played since start of s3) it's prob just mistakes

[brittle crow]

no mistakes to make on volcoross

bu im only 477 so maybe ilvl?

[summer quail]

oh damn 477 ye that is pretty low

[brittle crow]

weps are 486/473 so not ideal either

[summer quail]

also there's mistakes to make on all bosses

[ocean rampart]

hey queston for t swift does OF avatar break you because its not working for me?

[brittle crow]

volcoross is just a target dummy fight tbh

and my rotation is braindead

so i figure its just ilvl somehow

[summer quail]

it does, but only if you don't have avatar up. pressing OF extends current avatar

[summer quail]

might be braindead, but for example you might be making the mistake of not doing bb>exe>ramp in execute phase with ashen jugg talented. just coz a class is easy doesn't mean you can't make rotational errors

[ocean rampart]

ive tried for the last couple pulls and it hasnt

[summer quail]

then you already had avatar up from regular avatar

[balmy shore]

oh this is all i needed to know

[brittle crow]

i do that

[summer quail]

ok nice, prob just ilvl then. assuming you have all raidbuffs ofc

[brittle crow]

just got 489 gnarlroot wep so now i just gotta pug fyrakk get lego ez

[pallid barn]

You may also be parsing low on council if it’s a scuffed kill too, like my parse is bad cause we got urctos to 35% while everyone else was 70ish lol so swapping to single target hits ya

[slim coral]

You're assuming arms is gonna be playable

[brittle crow]

i mean volcoross

[slim coral]

Big mistakes listening to Xan

[pallid barn]

Oh volcoross, maybe ilvl, maybe uptime or small issues on rotation, linking logs would help

[brittle crow]

lemme get log

[oblique trail]

Volcoross should be 100% uptime

Unless you position yourself horrible in the big soak so you fly into the lava

[brittle crow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfLNwztx78vCkaXA#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=3

i was uptime yea

i forget if this is the pull where i fucked up my opener or not

[oblique trail]

my brother

[brittle crow]

cuz i didnt have spear bound

[oblique trail]

you have no neck sockets

[brittle crow]

i havent gotten a socket item yet

[oblique trail]

?

[gilded pawn]

?

[granite arrow]

you can put 3 sockets on a neck with tiered medallion settings 😄

[oblique trail]

you can buy the tiered medallion settings and add 3 sockets to your neck

[gilded pawn]

fruiters parse is gonna unleash

holy fukc

[summer quail]

you fkd up a spear later on, like zero value spear. and no pot for lust

[oblique trail]

Your opener is also a bit scuffed. You want to reck + charge -> ramp -> of -> spear/roar -> bb -> ramp -> avatar when OF avatar falls off -> bb and so on

You sent spear before of in your opener, wasting a bit of cdr and spear not being buffed by avatar

[summer quail]

see here, big waste of spear

[oblique trail]

Your overall rotation is fine, not that there's much to mess up

[pallid barn]

Curious, is it always of before avatar?

[oblique trail]

yes

to put of on cd

[hard widget]

Only exception could be smolderon but generally yes

[granite arrow]

i think the sole exception is like, mythic smolderon because of orb timings

[oblique trail]

otherwise you wont benefit from the cdr of 4p

[granite arrow]

but yes

[brittle crow]

whats what i do rn

[young swan]

what thing 😭

[brittle crow]

so i think that log might be the one where i forgot to bind spear to @ player

lol

[oblique trail]

as I said you sent spear before of

[brittle crow]

oh

i thought u wanted to

[oblique trail]

no

you want to spend as much time inside of spear casting buffed BBs

[brittle crow]

ah

[oblique trail]

chance at of critting < guaranteed crit buffed BBs

[brittle crow]

wtf is tiered medallion settings

i lack the critical information

[oblique trail]

items you can buy from the AH

[brittle crow]

evidently

[oblique trail]

to put sockets in your neck

[pallid barn]

I can’t sim atm but what is the % diff of spear vs roar on single target?

[balmy shore]

last bomb set with all the fire beam

s

[oblique trail]

they've been a thing the entire expansion

[oblique trail]

roughly -1.1%~

[balmy shore]

i was lagging super hard and just straight up killed the raid

[brittle crow]

nobody EVER told me this

[balmy shore]

it was very sad

[young swan]

yeah that set

[brittle crow]

😭 wtf

[young swan]

is so bad

it happens

[balmy shore]

5.5% crossing my fingers

[pallid barn]

Okay so I’m not missing out too much not running it

[young swan]

hes just mad cause i think the lego sucks

[oblique trail]

generally no, but on Smolderon you will

[young swan]

(it does)

[oblique trail]

I would never advice running roar on Smolderon

[pallid barn]

So I better start getting used to it?

[oblique trail]

If you care about your damage yes

[pallid barn]

We are on larodar then smoldy

[young swan]

eventually ur just gonna get a really good pull and skip the last set it will be epic

[brittle crow]

is there a macro to switch between roar and spear @ player

depending on talents

i mean i know there is but does anyone have it

[oblique trail]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Champion's Spear,@cursor]Champion's Spear; [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

[brittle crow]

ty

[oblique trail]

replace cursor with player

if it doesn't work for w/e reason since some people apparently have issues with it (might be something to do with Shadowlands spear)
then

#showtooltip
/cast Thunderous Roar
/cast [@player]Champion's Spear

[brittle crow]

oh that just works

[oblique trail]

Unless you're Loboz you wont have both talented

So it'll just use whatever of the two you have talented, since you don't have the other learnt anyway

It should anyway, haven't tested it myself since the known macro still works for me

[pallid barn]

Any tips to up this parse outside of running spear?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1CLnrxVXj6yZJtdG#fight=37&type=damage-done&source=118

[oblique trail]

Your opener is scuffed

[young swan]

cast OF before avatar always

[oblique trail]

Do the opener I wrote up above but replace spear with roar

[young swan]

yeah do that

[brittle crow]

so with spear

[hard widget]

Bascially swap ur odyns and avatars place

[pallid barn]

Yeah, which is why I asked about of and avatar order too

[hard widget]

And ur good

[brittle crow]

do i always want to sync avatar w/ odyns so i can get as many buffed BBs into spear as possible?

instead of just sending when up

[oblique trail]

you double rampaged here, wasting rage, you held CDs at 1:30 to 1:50 for some reason?

[hard widget]

The other thing, dont use whirlwind unless u got nothing else

[oblique trail]

Your general priority though is fine

Although in Execute you're using WW

When you should just be BB > Exe > Ramping

You can press these 3 buttons on repeat during Execute phase

And to add onto what Jeventes said, if you absolutely have no button, don't press WW but instead press Slam first

[slow haven]

dumb question but are allied wristguard of companionship an embellishment? so i have vibrant wildercloth shawl for my back and was wondering if i had two embellishments already

[brittle crow]

any1

[oblique trail]

So
BB > Exe (if ashen) > Ramp > Exe (if no ashen) > BT > Slam > WW

[hard widget]

no

[oblique trail]

it's an embellishment yes

[slow haven]

ty

[brittle crow]

so i still just send stuff when its up?

low spear value tho

[pallid barn]

Okay thank you 🙂

[hard widget]

Send on cd, if it happens to allign u default to opener

If it doesnt allign just send

[oblique trail]

Just be sure if you do send without OF mid fight, you do Reck > Avatar > Spear

Which means having to wait a bit for Avatar to be ready since it's desynced from the opener

[pallid barn]

And also one other thing, if I have all cds and boss is sitting between 40-35% health do I hold for more damage under 35% hp? Or always send

[oblique trail]

If it's the last CD usage of a fight you can hold

[brittle crow]

i do this even with roar

i thought ur supposed to

[pallid barn]

Okay so it’s just knowledge if I know I won’t get another

[oblique trail]

You didn't do it here

oops

did not mean to ping mutou..

[summer quail]

that's okay @oblique trail

[hard widget]

The only time u hold ur cd’s outside of opener is if it will align within the next few secobds

Otherwise u just send

Unless ur approaching execute phase but thats another story

Like banezi said earlier

[modest condor]

sooo.. this is something you're gonna have to learn from experience

it's basically a question of "will delaying to sub-35% cost me a use at the end of the fight"

[sudden tusk]

my pc is good and still having some performance issues on fyrakk

its wild

[pallid barn]

Okay cool, I’ll spend the weekend looking at top logs to learn abit more about timings then

[naive summit]

anyone got a good log of a war on tindral thats runnin single target stuff?

[modest condor]

i wouldnt look at top logs, they're not your guild's kills

[hard widget]

Im afraid this is not somethingu can learn from logs

[modest condor]

if you wanna know whether to delay cds you're gonna have to look at your own logs

[hard widget]

You just have to estimate how long the fight will last

[pallid barn]

Ahh

[sullen dove]

can look at similar kill time logs

[naive summit]

kk

[summer quail]

gotta know your guild damage to figure out how long the kill will take

[sullen dove]

thats like somethin u can type in psure

[naive summit]

top logs are running whirlwind

[hard widget]

If it will take longer than 1:45 ish to kill u can generally send

[naive summit]

my guild wants me to focus on single targ

[summer quail]

ofc toplogs are running WW, it's more damage for them. doesn't necessarily mean it's the play to kill the boss tho

[oblique trail]

Just go Execute talents for Tindral

[naive summit]

yea

and roar?

[oblique trail]

Roots will die to your CDs/Bombs

[naive summit]

or spear

[oblique trail]

yes

Go roar + uproar

[naive summit]

kk

[hard widget]

You run whirlwind rather for the treants usually

Not persé the roots

[oblique trail]

Yeah but treants get blasted