fury

[amber arch]

oh some dude just said "why wouldnt you put 2 missives"

ok and what effect does the quality of the reagents make on the weap?

[hardy cargo]

It gives the crafter extra skill

Bc crafted gear has varying item level

Like I said earlier, you generally want to have quality 3 reagents so the person crafting can make it highest quality

[amber arch]

ok thanks

can i just put in a crafting order for the alloy to make it cheaper?

[eternal sundial]

If you give them better materials it's easier to make

If you dont put any materials in and ur commision doesnt cover the costs of the items no one will make it

[viral plaza]

anyone know what toys can be used to stay in combat for signet?

[hardy cargo]

No, but it’s a dps gain to macro Meerah’s Jukebox into charge

🙂

[eternal sundial]

Fire eater's vial

The skull whistle too

[quartz void]

is anyone else having trouble with their spear @pulsar wing macro since patch?

[polar trail]

Its name has changed

Check that

[quartz void]

oh youre right

thank you

[vapid river]

It's Champion's spear now

[wild mural]

Worn doll

[vapid river]

Also wtf did they let magni name our ability

[wild mural]

Champyoon the woons

[red yew]

[hardy cargo]

🙂

(Ive had it macrod there since bfa)

[clever belfry]

true moment

[tepid shore]

huge

[charred panther]

These ppl

It’s a litmus test for intelligence- truly is

[red yew]

[amber arch]

Is there just no good embellishment to put on a sword?

[wary fjord]

Nothing better than wrists or shadow flame

[amber arch]

shadowflame can be put on anything?

or any armour?

[wary fjord]

It's an armor patch

Ye

But you put it on cloak usually

[amber arch]

ah kk, so crafting sword now to fill a gap put the idea is to get a better one eventually and craft the bis slots with embellishments

this is starting to make more sense ty guys

[wary fjord]

[amber arch]

what else do I need to look into for like runes?

Ive got flasks of vers, the potions of power, the hissing runes and stuff

is there an augment rune or something?

[wary fjord]

There is a permanent one for 100k gold if you are renown 18 with the dream warden's

[autumn mica]

Actual 100

[amber arch]

sweet ty

[clever belfry]

jealous???

[clever belfry]

[wary fjord]

Man, a parse dependent on if your allies press buttons correctly too. It's like a collective parse

[autumn mica]

Sent more 100's please

we need a whole wall of it

[vapid river]

You want being dependent on others? I had to fight to get into the wf group!

[wary fjord]

Oh I'm saying it's a team effort

[eternal sundial]

Check punchinkids-rag

[wary fjord]

Had to come together for the parse

[red yew]

Ofc

Who wouldn't be?

[autumn mica]

everyone happy that S2 tier won ?

Big pumps again in M+

[wary fjord]

Idk until I see how they tune it

[autumn mica]

Imagine they nerf it

[vapid river]

The 62% blue parsed hdh that's above him in the logs

[autumn mica]

Lol XD

[vapid river]

[wary fjord]

Yeah

[oak socket]

which 2 trinkets would u guys use for M+?
483 ocean
489 aug
483 smoldy trink

[autumn mica]

Augury ocean

[wary fjord]

Aug and ocean

[vapid river]

O and a

[viral plaza]

do you just throw on the ground and it auto puts you in combat?

[clever belfry]

i will get banned again

[viral plaza]

or do you need to hit it

[autumn mica]

Smolderon u can, if u know 100% u ain't going to die and your tank is a big boi

[oak socket]

ok ty... and for raid, aug + signet?

[wild mural]

I press it and WW

[vapid river]

It's situational

[wild mural]

And keeps me in combat a few extra secs

[clever belfry]

Funnily if i had gotten good shifting rng
i wouldve done roughly 25k more

[viral plaza]

ah cheers

[clever belfry]

[vapid river]

Any fight with a rp break

Will mess with signet

[wary fjord]

oof

[clever belfry]

Mfw no shifting on assa on their cds

[autumn mica]

I still pray for fury to be released from 5 target cap some day. A man can only wish right, maybe too overpowered then

[wary fjord]

8 target cap pls

Gives us what outlaw got

[autumn mica]

Target cap prison actual

[clever path]

Ravager next season

8 targets

[clever belfry]

sqrt scaling for all capped specs when...

[clever path]

[wary fjord]

I meant whirlwind

[clever path]

Too much to wish for

[wary fjord]

Nah

[autumn mica]

Cleaving abilities to 8 targets, imagine !

D:

[wary fjord]

Just huff the hopium for a better future

[leaden zealot]

bro

i dont need cleave

i need damage increase

like srsly

[flat sapphire]

I think warrior damage is good

[red yew]

Cope surely

[flat sapphire]

Not the best but its pretty good

[autumn mica]

We mediocre damage

[wary fjord]

Expanding to 8 target cleave on whirlwind would be a massive DPS increase in aoe

Above 5 targets that is

[autumn mica]

But we want to be legendary damage again no? meta meta

[flat sapphire]

Better than arms

[autumn mica]

its time

[cerulean spire]

utility please

[dire badge]

who would cope at a time like this

[flat sapphire]

We just ended utility

Need

[clever belfry]

I am going to play warrior again

[flat sapphire]

I swear Phineas cant autocorrwvt my mesGes

[autumn mica]

We just need to be ontop for once, have some fun ay !

[clever belfry]

Shotter mouff

[autumn mica]

we got two big 2 handers, why not

smash smash

[cerulean spire]

Or you know what, give me more AA range

[vapid river]

They just took our only raid utility out back and shot it

[wary fjord]

Fury utility is that they don't die

[flat sapphire]

Higher damage than other dps spec or utility

And I'll be haply

[vapid river]

We should be #1

[flat sapphire]

HPpy

[autumn mica]

naa just straight on top 1 on damage thats what we need for just one season ! 😛

[wary fjord]

True

[autumn mica]

after that we can go back to mediocre

[wary fjord]

I want it to be like SL season 4 where people ran 3 survival hunters

Except fury warriors

[flat sapphire]

When was warrior the meta dps last time?

[cerulean spire]

Where Battle shout equivalent of Bloodlust

[wary fjord]

S2 SL for a bit in raid

On arms

[autumn mica]

Remember season 3? 1 warrior 2x warlock, standing in the back like, warlock carry me please

[low folio]

werent we pretty powerful last season before the aug evoker comp came in?

[flat sapphire]

Then we fine we can go until next expansion

[red yew]

Me

[wary fjord]

It wasnt even the whole season

[low folio]

i guess im referring to m+

[wary fjord]

Sylv was discovered to be a no execute fight

And arms took the shitter train out the meta

Fury is usually close to meta in m+, but are beaten by no utility, and their damage isn't so overwhelming that it makes up for it

[clever path]

[clever path]

arms in sod

2nd tier in sl

everyone was dooming arms

but revvez came up with nightfae arms cook

thats in raid tho

and i guess 10.0.5 arms was giga

[clever belfry]

clueless people on here did yes

[clever path]

wasnt it known that nf arms was gonna be giga and people were dooming for the sake of it

mostly salty fury players cause venthyr got nerfed

i dont rember

[clever belfry]

I think real tech was enduring blow

and yeah NF soulbinds were just better 🤷‍♂️

[leaden spoke]

Eb was class

[fathom wolf]

This xpac is a dud go next. We will scale next expansion to top 5 for a tier I swear on my non existent orange stick.

[clever belfry]

S C A L E

[clever path]

dreamweaver

hate standing in the circle

[clever belfry]

Didn't u play niya and burr it up during prog

i forgor
i sat my prog cause exams and u cant dayraid with exams lol

[clever path]

depends if u could stand or not

niya was very close damage wise

[clever belfry]

nya~

[clever path]

its like spear vs troar rn iirc

im not 100% sure it was a long ass time ago

[gilded pawn]

there was no tech

ppl were playing NF arms in CN after 05 patch

[modest condor]

nf fury*

[gilded pawn]

what pushed it over the edge was aura buffs

we love those

warriors scaled into 9.1

not fury though

[clever path]

fury just dealt no damage

[leaden spoke]

Sod was bis for arms tho design wise

[clever path]

man i hate sennarth but arms on that boss

[clever path]

true

legion arms was better but sod arms aint bad

[gilded pawn]

sod arms was just simple

Op>ms>op

keep rend up

[clever path]

at least it was slow and hit hard

[clever belfry]

Last boss didn't have execute

?

[clever path]

sod arms had no execute phase

[clever belfry]

The best fight design for arms was 3rd boss

[gilded pawn]

last boss didnt have execute but execute was essentially empowered slam

back then

[clever belfry]

Not really true

[leaden spoke]

You chonked the adds tho

[clever path]

execute just replaced slam

u still spammed ms

and op on cd

[clever path]

i mean it was a damage increase but arms still fucked on that fight

[clever belfry]

My logs are archived but it was a significant bump in dam

[clever path]

ngl

[clever belfry]

But yes it wasnt MASSIVE

[clever path]

i wish they brought back ip

arms feels so empty

without ip now

its just ww with cs and then mortal strike op spam

squeezing ip in was fun somewhat

at least my rage bar wasnt cosmetic

[clever belfry]

arms is just

boring

it's sad really

[clever path]

im gonna be honest

all 3 warrior specs are boring

[leaden spoke]

S3 fury is more boring

[clever belfry]

Ye

that's why i keep sayingg

burn down both dps specs

start OVER

[clever path]

there has to be a complete warrior rework in 11.0

prot is cluttered as fuck as well

why do i have

5 offensive cds

5 rotational buttons that do the same thing

[clever belfry]

and then it does Z dps and loses aggro outside cds

its so cringe

During the cds u fucking bl@st tho

[clever path]

true

• the tier set is fun

ss tc ip ss tc ip ss tc ip

[leaden spoke]

Prot tierset chonks but the spec sucks

[clever path]

i mean

monks at least arent boring as fuck

[vapid river]

Leave pwar alone, we're perfect ATM

[fathom wolf]

I think most melee in wow are boring because they can't design anything to have a "wow" factor or look cool cause you won't see it or it plays like dogshit IE the neat look legendary axe button press.

[clever path]

all 3 rogues

are amazing

what are you on about

[vapid river]

Hdh is flashy af

[fathom wolf]

Combat is yellow slices 24/7

[clever path]

outlaw

when u get 5 bte

in opener

[fathom wolf]

Sorry I'm old

[clever path]

is more dopamine than ive had with fury this entire patch

[fathom wolf]

Yellow slices and scuffed gunshots noises

Sounds like Detroit

[clever path]

sub with massive stecs

assa with giant kingsbanes

[fathom wolf]

Kingsbane feels impactful

[clever path]

their talent trees make sense

class tree is giga strong

and well designed

[molten relic]

7mil per cast

Just a bit strong

[leaden spoke]

Both our rogs switched to sub tbf

[signal falcon]

I hope there’s no stat squish moving into war within

[clever path]

sub is very good in m+ its just the exact same as outlaw

except outlaw is like 3x easier

[signal falcon]

Need those legion numbers on my screen again

[red berry]

i think tier season two would feel better if you didn’t need to build so many stacks for it to be relevant

[fathom wolf]

I mean the damage number helps. I'm talking feel and impact wise. Nothing I press feels like it hurts as fury except like onslaught and that shits even dull

But art and aesthetics are subjective I suppose

[molten relic]

Blood bath for 500k

Feels pretty good

[leaden spoke]

Then u do nothing for 1.3 min

[fathom wolf]

Back to the dmg it's not about the dmg lol

[molten relic]

Odyns is like a 25 sec cd

[fathom wolf]

It's about that BB being a .5 second twirly animation

[molten relic]

How are y’all saying u do nothing for 1.5min

[leaden spoke]

Odyns alone suck

I love the ability

[red berry]

realistically, s3 tier is solid as hell

[leaden spoke]

But it aint it

[red berry]

in ST

[molten relic]

Y’all make no sense

[clever path]

damage numbers help but its not the root of the issue

[molten relic]

Every odyns press

Gives you 3 fat bbs

2 of those are within that avatar

Even without reck

[clever path]

ye just

build to 80

ramp of

bb slam ramp bb

2 in ava

[molten relic]

Mfs sending OF with no rage and after Bt or some shit

[fathom wolf]

How did S2 win if all the dorks in here only care about big numbers? Shits rigged

[molten relic]

No wonder they doing tank damage

[signal falcon]

I like whenever recalibrater gives you Tauren because it makes your animations huge

[clever path]

cause anger management

is a lot more engaging

in m+

[leaden spoke]

You cannot tell me pressing slam is fun as fury

[clever path]

and raids in s4 are a joke regardless

[red berry]

yeah it really just comes down to keys

[plucky ice]

AM is the only good thing with s2

[molten relic]

How is pressing raging blow

More fun than slam

[clever path]

i will never

get his argument

how is pressing slam boring

s3 is fine rotationally

[leaden spoke]

Bruv

[molten relic]

Just put a macro with raging blow icon

[fathom wolf]

I am a Tauren. They have the worst BB and BT animation. It's literally just a bitch slap.

[molten relic]

With /cast slam

[clever path]

it just sucks not having cds regularly in m+

[molten relic]

It’s the same thing

[leaden spoke]

Raging blow fucks

[molten relic]

It’s

The

Same

Thing

[clever path]

rb does less damage than slam

[leaden spoke]

No

[molten relic]

Except u press it over and over

Instead of pressing different buttons every gcd

[leaden spoke]

Slam only works with anni and anni is ass

[modest condor]

in the current rotation slam and rb perform the exact same function

[molten relic]

U have literally no difference in APm

With the ani setup

[modest condor]

(if we had access to rb)

[molten relic]

Explain how ani is ass

[leaden spoke]

I already did

[molten relic]

If u have dead globals it’s a skill issue

[modest condor]

i also like how people keep whining about slam when whirlwind exists

[fathom wolf]

You barely press slam. Stop whining.

[clever path]

ww is the one that sucks

generates no rage

🤮

[hard widget]

Idk what game ur playing, but i press it plenty xd

[clever path]

ngl

imp ww should be baseline

maybe not meatcleaver

but imp ww def

[leaden spoke]

These man aint even playing the same class

[clever path]

like they did with ss

and arms

[signal falcon]

Onslaught and RB are just cooler, logiclords will never understand

[fathom wolf]

Go kill anything in raid heroic or mythic with a decent kill time and count your slam casts

[proud crown]

I was a slam whiner before the patch

but then I played the build

[molten relic]

I just don’t get how the argument against s3 is “slam is not fun”

[proud crown]

[molten relic]

When rb and slam do the same shit

[leaden spoke]

Why is slam fun explain

[clever path]

noxiv

Why is rb fun explain

[hard widget]

Why is it unfun?

[sleek nexus]

you will never get a reasonable answer from the S2 andys

[red berry]

i do enjoyed SoS but i do wish whirlwind and slam hit a little harder

i did, even

[signal falcon]

dopamine from resets

[hardy cargo]

[molten relic]

You made the statement that it cannot be fun

[clever path]

On a wet noodle attack

[signal falcon]

Which you can never get from bloodbath

[molten relic]

The burden is on you to explain why

[hard widget]

Im a season 2 andy, the build to me is unfun. I like AM more because its a more consistant output of damage and generally feels smoother

[molten relic]

You’re asking me to disprove a point that you made without backing it up at all

The sky is purple

[red berry]

idk if it’s more consistent actually and it’s really only more smooth if you don’t do the rotation right

[molten relic]

Explain why it’s not

[clever path]

in raid i prefer s3 but in m+ hell fucking no

am feels so much better

[red berry]

yeah no it’s not good for keys

[vapid river]

Fun is subjective?

[fathom wolf]

I love the S2 talent build. But the tier set feels like ass. 20 seconds for your BT to hit for dogshit unless you are in avatar and standing in spear with a mob below 35%

[clever path]

like people dont understand

[hard widget]

I mean next tier is fated, nobody really cares for fated raids anyways

[clever path]

^

[red berry]

i do hope the changes means we end up pressing bloodthirst more

[molten relic]

Real argument would be like

[clever path]

which is why i voted for s2

[proud crown]

I like S3 m+ I think ST dmg is cool

[sleek nexus]

finally a fair reasoning, I personally feel like Odyns fury does it better when it comes to dopamin

[clever path]

u have it with s2 as well

[molten relic]

S2 is better in m+ bc you have cds more consistently

[clever path]

we were one of the best at st

[clever path]

That change was s3 tierset lol

pre aug

and pre all aura buffs to all other classes

except warrior

[molten relic]

But the trade off is lower ST damage for just perma cd uptime

[clever path]

for some reason

[molten relic]

Or some shit

Idk

Mfs don’t even try to explain they just

[hard widget]

I think odyn's is good, i just think the playstyle we have is currently putting us in a weird spot where we dont shine on any aspect, our prio is decent but not GREAT. Our aoe is okay but far from great

[molten relic]

“Ani bad slam unfun tank damage except every 1.5min waaaa”

[red berry]

well yes but more I mean - and I’ve pointed this out a few times, building up 5 stacks for a relatively limp bloodthirst felt kind of bad

[clever path]

its not about the tierset

its about the build

[leaden spoke]

Bro asked me to explain i explained and he cant even say why he likes slam

Cba

[clever path]

am rava feels better in m+

[hard widget]

We kinda do tank damage in m+ outside of cds tho

[spring geyser]

Fury feels better when reck uptime is >95%

[molten relic]

You didn’t explain anything

[sleek nexus]

AM isn't gonna change that, we weren't great in season 2 either

[clever path]

sure our st is slightly weaker but its still much better than most specs

[molten relic]

All you said was “you can’t tell me slam is fun” and then “ani is shit”

[leaden spoke]

It is shit

[molten relic]

And ur reasoning was “rb fucks”

[clever path]

i was anvilmaxxing on tyran last season and top dps perma

[hardy cargo]

the best ways for them to tune s2 is to either buff the stacks you gain from ramp/lower the cap(and not nerf the dmg) or to buff the bloodthirst that you build

[red berry]

maybe we’ll get what tuning they do soon

[hard widget]

It puts us in a position where we are better in aoe making us more viable overall. M+ is usually revolved around taking classes that shine in certain aspects

[clever path]

while not losing st

[clever path]

20% crit per rampage instead of 10%

rn we are prio/st bots that cant die with no utility

[proud crown]

the survivability was nice too from S3, trying to heal with BT S2 was sadge

[sleek nexus]

the aoe is the same tho????

[molten relic]

S3 should have cleaved

[hard widget]

It kinda isnt

[clever path]

Agreed. Free 30k hps

[molten relic]

Then we woulda actually cranked in5t

[red berry]

ehhhh

[proud crown]

yes

[sleek nexus]

like Ravager VS Odyns is the same

[clever path]

not like u are plate with spell reflect dstance high hp pool cshb healing from 5 mobs with very low downtime and er if u really have to

[hard widget]

AM vs RA is 2 different worlds

[red berry]

50% to odyns just helped equalize ravager

[clever belfry]

Bro forgetting

Hurricane

[clever path]

What would be cool is if they had am@affect OF too

Then everyone is happy

[clever path]

no but 30% mainstat is weak!!!

[hardy cargo]

this comes with the issue of the bt dmg amp portion not beign as large

[clever belfry]

Hurricane reck/ava roar is not part of it

[red berry]

what hurts S3 is bloodthirsty not working in 5 targets

that’s it

[molten relic]

^

[red berry]

if it did, we’d be objectively good in keys

[molten relic]

It should 100% cleave

[hard widget]

Having 1.5 min cds vs 30 sec cds hurts your aoe in m+

[molten relic]

Then we actually crank in our niche

[clever belfry]

Yes we would be pretty good

[clever path]

You talking about the cdr?

[molten relic]

Ofc

[clever path]

we would suck in eb and stuff but in lower pull count we would be really good

[molten relic]

But if ur tier bonus cleaved

[red berry]

odyn can be built so fast in AoE

[hardy cargo]

nah im p sure they mean the dmg

[clever path]

maybe

since its rng

[molten relic]

Every 25 sec ur cleaving 300k+ bbs

[clever path]

unlike am

[hard widget]

If i had a ferarri i'd be happy, also doesnt happen

[clever path]

Like hitting 4 units 4xing the cdr would be sick

[hard widget]

Working with ifs doesnt work

[red berry]

we’d still catch up to DHs frankly and paladins if it worked in five targets prommy

at least in terms of overall

[hardy cargo]

youd either have to make the dmg cleave OR the cdr, both and we wouldbe a little too insane I think

[clever path]

wdym

cdr cleaves

[molten relic]

I mean sure but you responded to his post about tier not cleaving

As a reason for why we aren’t as good

[red berry]

Cdr cleaves it’s just one mob

[hardy cargo]

the cdr doesnt cleave, you do notget 10s of cdr on OF when 4 bts crit

[red berry]

which is why you can build it up so fast

[molten relic]

The damage should cleave

[hard widget]

You have to work with what you got, and this set is pretty good in st / raid scenario's. But in m+ we're behind by far, and the season 2 set has more tools to allow us to be competitive in m+

[red berry]

you are getting a reliable reduction every bloodthirst

[clever path]

agreed

there is a reason

fury is behind unholy in popularity

ive never seen this

[red berry]

the damage should’ve cleaved from the getgo and it makes us good in the niche fury was designed to exist in

[clever path]

tbf as ive said before

all 3 warriors are infinitely more boring to play than hdh/rogues

[hard widget]

Yeah but shouldve and if doesnt work, because it isnt there. Im not going to vote on s3 on a m+ tier in the hopes that "they will fix it"

[red berry]

fury warriors my autistic blorbo so ill stick to it either way

[hardy cargo]

its limited to one proc per bt, it can hit on targets thats not primary but the gain only hits once. I see that as not cleaving

[red berry]

fair - and no, in that case it Sitka actually be too strong

what was that autocorrect

hello?

[clever path]

rnging a crit on a spec with 15% crit is not reliable at all

[modest condor]

havent seen anyone with that low crit since s1

[hardy cargo]

lmfao, but yeah- agreed thats why I was tryna say either dmg OR cdr. dmg would def be more fun to cleave

[red berry]

idk about you but i have 30% crit before reck

[sleek nexus]

bro outed him self

[hard widget]

Hey! if i dont use crit flask mine sucks too 😦

[quick mango]

Talents give you increasing crit

[clever path]

i have like 17% atm i think

Sounds like you needa sim

i dont sim aoe

[hard widget]

17% base is actually not even too bad

[red berry]

cleave damage is the only way to go. if you cleave CDR full it’s an odyns fury every two to three global bloodthirst in big packs

[clever path]

i sim st and just run might of ocean

Then why you complaining about m+ performance lol

i get of resets regularly

im just saying

[red berry]

if you want to play ST in keys the bloodthirst crit talent is worth running anywya

[clever path]

am is infinitely more reliable

[outer rover]

Hey. Is here anyone who plays a outlaw alt? Is outlaw much harder than fury?

[clever path]

u always run it

[quick mango]

Bloodcraze

[clever path]

same with db

[red berry]

yeah

[hardy cargo]

we could press odyns every 3 globals and still only do as much as dh

[gilded pawn]

its a bit harder yeah

[clever path]

not running bloodcraze and db is trolling hard

[clever path]

I run it regardless

[red berry]

yes

[clever path]

yeah but not by a lot

[hard widget]

Not entirely true

[clever path]

what are ur options

ss that does a bit more on aoe but sucks on st

[hard widget]

Slaughtering strikes / titanic

[clever path]

The curve is about the same but outlaws ceiling is a lot higher

and fm a qol talent

tr a qol talent

[hardy cargo]

I do, its pretty fun. Definitely more to outlaw than fury. I wouldnt say its "hard" just a lot to learn and keep track of compared to fury

[hard widget]

That is also not true

[clever path]

ye 10% on odyns wow

[red berry]

if slaughtering wasn’t so garbage for anni

literally what’s the point

[clever path]

insane on a spec that is being brought to keys to take down one mob in the pack

and not die

[hard widget]

Odyns does quite a bit more than you'd think in some dungeon like an everbloom

[red berry]

the AoE of odyns is massive especially in big keys yeah

[clever path]

yes but in everbloom if abomination doesnt die and if it bolsters fast

u are gone

[hard widget]

And since most people dont run specific comps to adjust for st/aoe dmg to be in balance ur perfectly fine to run titanic most of the time

[clever path]

its like not running dtb on assa

but that crimson tempest build

[red berry]

i don’t run titanic in keys. but I’m greedy for more overall. if someone asked me to run it I would buy

but.

[clever path]

i mean sure

[hard widget]

Sometimes your comp requires more aoe, titanic is a way to get more of it

[clever path]

i agree if thats the case

[hard widget]

I never play it personally but the option is there

And its not AS BAD

[hardy cargo]

I play db and never swap, prio dmg is just better esp since I almost exclusively pug

[hard widget]

But then again, usually ST > AOE in dungeons since hp pools are wack this season

[red berry]

er dancing. talent names

[coarse nest]

I would never drop a 8k ST talent

[clever path]

in all mass aoe dungeons except maybe algethar although i forgot most of it

[red berry]

it’s definitely big

[clever path]

prio dmg is giga important

[hard widget]

Yes but so is aoe dmg

[red berry]

im excited to run algethar again

[clever path]

but if u need to do aoe then taking tr isnt bad

[hard widget]

And if you lack aoe, the option is there

[coarse nest]

Dropping 8k ST because you’re to lazy to press WW during charge is a big INT

[hard widget]

Like assa / fire mage, u'd probably like some extra aoe rather than extra st

[hard widget]

It does more than just give you whirlwind stacks

[clever path]

personally i run arms if i need aoe

[coarse nest]

I recognize

[clever path]

arms has infinitely more aoe

[hard widget]

If looking at these things u gotta look at it objectively rather than personal preference

[clever path]

Gives you enrage

Which i dont think is worth the loss in ST

[hard widget]

In st its definitely not a preferable choice

[clever path]

makes of deal 10% more and applies to the dot as well

[hard widget]

In some rare scenario's where your comp requires more aoe or you play fortified crowded dungeons, its not as bad as people make it out to be

[clever path]

not sayin anythin against my brother warrior

[clever belfry]

the situations titanic rage is better than dancing blades are VERY rare

[autumn mica]

Augury hc dream

[clever path]

Also, someone go to lorrgs and look at the #1 fury parse on gnarlroot from jan 10th and tell me am/rav isnt viable

[clever belfry]

Isnt it RA Rav

if youre talking

LOBOZ BUILD

[clever path]

loboz

[clever belfry]

hidden technology

[clever path]

SPEAR TROAR

[clever belfry]

(do dmg every 90s)

[clever path]

(90k st)

[clever belfry]

Blast more aoe

(51 parse boss dmg)

[clever path]

not bad actually

[clever belfry]

I meam

for gnarl

it kinda is

[clever path]

true

[clever belfry]

considering its a rank 1 lol

[clever path]

i just expected it to be worse

[clever belfry]

Dont get me wrong
loboz actually plays the game
But that build is such a fucking cook

[hard widget]

There actually was a ravager build for quite a while on tindral too

[clever path]

tbf

[clever belfry]

Tindral root dmg

[clever path]

loboz just does damage

[clever belfry]

@warm crag

Loboz opinion

[clever path]

can you guys explain why his dot gave so low damage overall?

when i look at paladin recap for example its like on 2nd or 3rd place for overall damage done

[eternal sundial]

low key

[hard widget]

Paladin has wings tho doesnt that scale with the mark?

[lime hound]

7 kills of fryakk and still no Lego 🙂

[eternal sundial]

[ocean cape]

How good is the Lego for m+ aoe?

[clever path]

insane

[hardy cargo]

[clever path]

well insane is subjective

[eternal sundial]

does roar damage in most keys its kinda stupid

[clever path]

but its like 7% iirc

[lime hound]

Tonight will be 8

[clever path]

overall

[gilded pawn]

paladin wings crit chance work with leggo yeah

[lime hound]

So fingers crossed

[gilded pawn]

also pally damage is worse than ours

so its higher %

[clever path]

not in m+

[ocean cape]

Am I going to be able to keep up with bm hunters

[clever path]

well depens on the key

but their aoe is better

st much worse

[gilded pawn]

rather they have less garbage in their breakdown also

[warm crag]

very powerful i am no match for his skill

[ocean cape]

If I don’t get it next week I’m legit rolling a rogue

[clever belfry]

just reroll now

save urself the pain

[clever path]

See you on the piss class

[lime hound]

What I hate in m+ is when ur CDs are up and there is still 2 packs before the boss 😦

[hard widget]

this and next week are shit for m+, so if thats what ur worried about... Ur fine

[willow cradle]

It's not verse so no, the crit chance works but it's not that big.

[eternal sundial]

send end of

hold bad

[ocean cape]

We’re stuck on 25s lmao

Probably a skill issue tho

[hard widget]

Hard to say without seeing u guys play ^^

[clever path]

Dude never hold your CDs in M+

[hard widget]

That is not great advice

[clever path]

Mr semantics here

Of course its not send 100% of the time

But 90% of the time its send

If the packs are at 15% health sure dont send ava and roar

[hard widget]

With AM sure, with our current build no

[ocean cape]

lol I’ll make some vods

[clever path]

But i wouldnt hold CDs for a boss

[autumn mica]

oh my

!

Sent all cds with boss on 10% with a big pull afterwards gogo 😛

[thin cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[clever path]

Okay i recant “never hold cds”

[hard widget]

Sometimes doing bigger overall doesnt time you the key, so if ur havoc and mage are sending into a pack on 40-50% hp, probably better to hold

Even tho ur overall might be lower

Or when a dangerous pull comes up etc

[clever path]

95% of people in here arent doing high enough keys to worry about that

[barren dagger]

I need to top that meter for the boss that’s basically dead

[clever path]

also about augry , he has a mythic one and i have a hero one

did i just get luckier on rng shit with augry ?

[hard widget]

I mean if they want to get better, better get out of the habit early right? ^^

[clever path]

Okay sure

[hard widget]

But next season is AM anyways

So back to send on cd

[sullen dove]

back to playing cleave arms

[hard widget]

YES!

Thats gonna be fun

[molten relic]

Yes

[wild mural]

Just press everything as hard as you can

And take slam off bars

[sullen dove]

[hardy cargo]

[tawny sundial]

Yo guys, do you track your aa swing timer? is it necesary?

[sullen dove]

na

maybe if u like want to make minuscule plays as in u have like 70 rage and u plan on waiting a half second if you know a swing is about to happen and you get enough rage to rampage and send an empowered bb instead of empowered bt

but that’s like.. niche as hell

[tawny sundial]

Im starving fury some times, I have to do full rotation bt -> slam -> bt -> ww -> bt and then rampage, I was wondering if I was doing to fast and not aa enough

Idk

[sullen dove]

eh sometimes it’s just pretty low rage without reck and that can happen, but ways to remedy that is hit bt before you hit the initial rampage

like general rule of thumb if you feel like your rage is kinda low and bt is off cooldown but rampage is available, hit bt then ramp

[open prairie]

just proc unbridled on every ramp

[tawny sundial]

got it. Another question with when use of OF.. I should wait to have some fury before? or just on cd no matter fury?

[sullen dove]

s2 raid moment

[open prairie]

s2 you can also proc on onslaught

tbh

[sullen dove]

yea a single extra 20% chance every 10 seconds wow

[sullen dove]

Usually I just rampage then of anytime odyns is up, unless it’s like the odyns that comes back right after opener and still kind of flying off the initial reck train

[fleet cargo]

guys guys guys

[sullen dove]

you prolly don’t wanna hit odyns when you have like 30 rage and no BB available but ideally you don’t overcap rage with it either

[fleet cargo]

i got fyrak trinket on my first run

lmfao

rolled 98

[sullen dove]

bigly

[fleet cargo]

but i well deserved that trinket

we were 5 furies on raid

[sullen dove]

surely top damage

[fleet cargo]

i was first on damage 😄

[sullen dove]

[open prairie]

hitting of with no bb avail or rage

sounds like hitting a no enrage of

[sullen dove]

[open prairie]

non enraged OF

[sullen dove]

Well like my scenario was mostly if you ramp > bb > of you prolly shouldn’t cuz if u don’t have reck then you’re stuck with hitting slam and whirlwind and no real guarantee you will get enough rage to rampage esp on st fights where ww doesn’t generate rage

or u just hit a empowered bt and that’s cringe

[open prairie]

lul i did that once by mistake

[sullen dove]

you’d still be enraged but be in a sticky situation with wanting to not use your charges on garbage

[open prairie]

OF either off a ramp or with enough rage to ramp ye

[clever path]

Same

Week 1

[flat sapphire]

I've only seen 1 augury since season start

The time I wasn't in the raid woth my guild during holiday jt dropped and my gm got it and he disenchanted jt last week

[wild mural]

I’ve not seen augury since week 2

[eternal sundial]

^same

[clever path]

one bossman tried to sell it to me on one raid i was in for 900k for myth one

pretty decent price for that trink

[wild mural]

Surely this week I get augury

No doubt

[past pivot]

Not seen many in raid but a lot of people, myself included, got one from vault.

[drifting cloud]

is it worth to run 1 sophic and 1 wafting instead of double wafting ? even though double wafting sims higher

[past pivot]

Run what sims higher.

[indigo arch]

Double wafting, get dat speed

[clever path]

900k lmao

[eternal sundial]

well unfortunately mythic slots grief that

[ember apex]

every vault i accumulate a worse and worse 489 M+ trinket

[clever path]

imagine legendary in vault

[ember apex]

i have leggo but no myth track wep in offhand

if i didnt get leggo it'd be using a M+ drop

[clever path]

i got a legendary too, look

[ember apex]

super sick

[olive wraith]

That’s not gorehowl

[ember apex]

gorehowl only procs in like DHT or something like that

whitefin axe works errywhere

[clever path]

Do you guys think running ocean and augury in m+, not having all that passive strength is a detriment? I have a 489 pips thats a little better than might in ST

[ember apex]

assuming ur like 486+ ur prob fine w/ out flat str trinkets

[clever path]

Okay its just mental. Seeing my BB crits hit for 70k less feels bad

gorehowl is overrated for the looks alone

whitefin looks fabulous

Whitefin is just the haste/mast axe from last season

[ember apex]

they're both bad

if we're discussing visuals

[sinful spoke]

Wrong axe

[mellow rose]

do you ever use slam in ST?

[ember apex]

even leggo is bad, its just garrish and bright so ppl think it looks good

[sinful spoke]

Tes

[sinful spoke]

Yes

[civic jay]

QUessssstiooooon.

Execute vs Sudden Death Execute. Do they both get treated the same in priority i.e. still below 1. BB 2. Rampage. 3. Execute 4. Bloodthirst - Or does the sudden death execute go ahead of BB/Rampage? Just getting use to transitioning from Arms into Fury fulltime.

Execute phase also confusing me slightly - as on the priority of 1. BB. 2. Rampage. 3. Execute - It's rare I find a spot where I don't have Rampage up to cast, so at the moment it feels like, I'm creating a gap in rotation to fit execute in. Ramp > BB > (Ramp available) Execute > Ramp > BB > Slam > (Ramp available) Execute > Ramp.

Help my brain.

[sinful spoke]

You dont press execute during cds

Unless its in execute phase with ashen jug

[ember apex]

execute is basically u cant BB and u cant rampage but u need rage

[sinful spoke]

And even then u use it as a rage regen

[olive wraith]

Brh also.

[mellow rose]

when would you use slam instead of WW?

[sinful spoke]

When you dont have rage

[ember apex]

yeah u slam over ww when ur fishing for rage

if u have rage u press neither basically

trust me i have a PhD in this stuff

(i grey parsed smolderon)

[edgy widget]

if you're talking about the normal build(s), Slam and WW are both fillers - Slam generates more rage and deals more ST damage; WW enables cleave

[storm rune]

You whirlwind when you want to whirl-win

[edgy widget]

wise words

[high quest]

I am a tad high on haste i geuss cause i never use slam as filler (really rarely) i am on 30 %

[edgy widget]

haste doesn't have any impact, since it affects cooldowns and the GCD at an equal rate

if we're talking single target, neither ability gets used all that much (in a 4m fight, BT/BB is usually cast ~110 times, Rampage ~100, WW and Slam ~10 each), but Slam should be prio'd ahead of WW

[high quest]

Thanks for the explanation

[edgy widget]

in multitarget, WW will be prioritized first in most situations, because you want to enable cleave, but it's still not used that frequently compared to other abilities - at most every 5th GCD

[ember apex]

u should make videos

archi

[edgy widget]

but yeah, it's almost always ST = Slam first, MT = WW first

[clever path]

Hey, how does fury cleave without improved ww?

[vapid river]

It doesn't

[edgy widget]

it doesn't, you will always talent that (and meat cleaver) in multitarget situations

[olive wraith]

Aoe abilities

[ember apex]

yeah it don't cleave w/o cleave talent lol

[olive wraith]

You get to aoe every 20-30 seconds

[clever path]

how does outlaw cleave?

i want to try outlaw because someone here was telling that its basically smf warrior

[flat river]

real

[olive wraith]

Ask the rogue disc

[edgy widget]

mostly Bladeflurry, but you should probably go to the Rogue discord to discuss Rogues

[clever path]

pog thanks!

thanks guys, i will be back

[edgy widget]

though I don't think they're really all that similar

[flat river]

bladeflurry and just press all your st abilities

i play outlaw so i can tell u

there isn't a MT spender

[clever path]

Oh really?

I never played one and got one to level like 12 and got bored in dungeons

Someone said they are similar in the sense of their apm i think

[flat river]

they are

their APM is BIG

[olive wraith]

You’re basing a class off of level 12 gameplay?

[edgy widget]

they're both fast, they're not all that similar in gameplay though

[flat river]

LOL

[clever path]

no bro

[ember apex]

sub rogue is fun and if MT target didnt exist assasin rogue is also fun, outlaw rogue is 0% fun to me

[clever path]

Yeah outlaw is pretty fun

totally irrelevant to the discussion, just saying that i never had a rogue besdies that one time that i tried to level one and got bored in the beginning

[flat river]

yeah you have combo points and stuff

[flat river]

u just suck

[olive wraith]

Getting bored when you have 5% of the specs abilities

[ember apex]

yeah alright sick

[flat river]

outlaw is BiS

after fury ofc

[edgy widget]

combo points, in theory, aren't all that different from rage (20 rage = 1 point, before extra mods), but the actual gameplay runs pretty different

[clever path]

Again - not what I implied. Don't have to be so confrontational about it.

This is out rogue’s wise words

eat, sleep, shoot my blicky, repeat

[olive wraith]

I’m just mirroring what you said

[edgy widget]

Fury doesn't have stuff like RtB, S&D, multiple varied finishers, etc

[clever path]

You are mirroring wrong, drop it. Because Its not what I was saying, not that rogue is boring. I got bored. Not that rogue is boring as a class

[wanton mirage]

Make Execute great agian by making it spender

[ember apex]

no

def dont do that

my God

[long prairie]

play arm

[ember apex]

id rather it do more damage

just increase the damage by a few hundred percent

[clever path]

So like, does rogue has to be in steahlth all the time?
Or there is a spec that doesn't require to be in invis?

[clever path]

Only if we get infinite jugg stacks

[edgy widget]

again, you should really go to the Rogue discord to discuss it

[sour frigate]

or give s1 tierset baseline/talent

[olive wraith]

Why are you asking rogue stuff in fury

[sour frigate]

keks

[wanton mirage]

Obviously they need to buff it first with inifinite jug off course

[long prairie]

here its big axe go brbrbr not a rogue disc

[edgy widget]

I'm sure someone will answer your question here, I'm not sure you'll get a good answer here

[clever path]

Fair enough, where do I find one?

[edgy widget]

and others will probably just give you a hard time for talking about playing a Rogue when you could be playin a Warrior 🙃

[ember apex]

u wont get a good answer here but you will prob get one thats good enough for level 12

[olive wraith]

[flat river]

search up "WoW class discords"

[clever path]

The disc is in stealth usually so no one knows

[flat river]

real

[clever path]

thats what i thought too

[flat river]

get a hunter to flare

[warm crag]

all three specs use vanish rotationally and offensively

[clever path]

stop being toxic

[warm crag]

search ravenholdt if you want the rogue discord you'll find it eventually

[fickle bluff]

priests cant stealth, thats a rogue/druid kinda thing

[olive wraith]

Ah yes I’m the one that made the lv 12 joke that time

[ember apex]

found it by just searching for rogue

[fickle bluff]

that is not the rogue discord

[flat river]

that is the wrong one

[edgy widget]

I mean you did carry on about it, so how about don't be an ass and drop it

[flat river]

lol

[ember apex]

thats not the rogue discord like i was saying

when i was interrupted

[olive wraith]

I literally posted an emoji

[flat river]

https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers @clever path

[edgy widget]

before that, obviously

don't be obtuse

[silver dawn]

Ravenholdt is the main rogue discord

[edgy widget]

the guy clearly doesn't know shit about shit and came in asking some questions, you don't have to give them a hard time on top of it

[ember apex]

he can read that archi

[silver dawn]

https://discord.gg/ravenholdt

[clever path]

thansk guys, i found it

[edgy widget]

it wasn't an insult, takes guts to know what you don't know

[clever path]

yall so nice

[flat river]

luv u

[clever path]

https://discord.gg/ravenholdt

[dire badge]

it says official right there

[edgy widget]

but several of you are just acting like dicks to act like dicks

so knock it the fuck off

[ember apex]

i didnt think there would be 500 different entities called rogue

[clever path]

Pretty sure thats the real one

[ember apex]

im in socal and freezing its literally like 60 degrees outside rn. are heated hoodies worth it

[edgy widget]

nice bait

[ember apex]

not bait 100% real

actually colder

[cold cave]

Is gorehowl + legendary optimal?

[verbal orchid]

My macro for spear and avatar is no longer working, anyone else experienced this?

[jolly mist]

its legendary+ whatever sims tell u is best

[cold cave]

Whats the drop chance of gorehowl

[ember apex]

u need to change to champion's spear

they renamed the ability

[verbal orchid]

Got you

[cold cave]

Didnt think Spear was played

[verbal orchid]

Thanks

[ember apex]

its not spear of bastion anymore

[verbal orchid]

ST

[jolly mist]

make spear good in m+ again

[clever belfry]

no way

[jolly mist]

ill play the fuck out of it

[clever belfry]

youre freezing at 15C

nah

[ember apex]

im not built for this

[clever belfry]

thats tshirt weather??

[cold cave]

We had -22 the other day

[jolly mist]

15c is like

soo good

[ember apex]

u dont know how cold 60 degrees is until u feel it

irl

[jolly mist]

t shirt n jacket outside

[clever belfry]

yeah that shit is fucked

[ember apex]

-22? lol how can it be colder than absolute 0

[cold cave]

Thats murican measure

Cause only muricans use Fahrenheit

[ember apex]

absolute 0 is the coldest possible temperature

how can it be negative

[clever belfry]

🇺🇸 WHAT 🦅 THE 🦅 FUCK 🦅 IS 🦅 A🦅 KILOMETER 🇺🇸

[edgy widget]

ok

[edgy widget]

this conversation is ending

[thorny peak]

Wtf is wingstop?

[edgy widget]

stop baiting, trolling, whatever
take it to #off-topic if yall wanna have stupid conversations

[cold cave]

Started fury the other day and I love it, played it s1 and got ksm then lost my flame for it. Now I picked up and love it. Kinda want gorehowl, shows as bis on wowhead, is it worth farming or just sim?

[edgy widget]

any 489 ilevel weapon will work tbh

[weak vapor]

anyone have exp DH class m+ ? 🙂

[long prairie]

or any 496

[cold cave]

What stats do I want ish?

[cold cave]

Kinda new to aspect of keys, timed my first ever 15 and 17 this season

[long prairie]

ilvl>stats for wepz

[cold cave]

476+ is my max but thats on my dk 😆

Alright but in general?

[clever path]

Crit and haste roughly 25% then vers/mast to the moon

[long prairie]

fury need all stats

[sly bobcat]

Any legendary less chads like me killing heroic Fyrakkussy every week?

[long prairie]

so take the biggest ilvl, if u hava a doubt use raidbot "best gear"

[cold cave]

Current stats at 428, like I said started 2 days ago

[edgy widget]

Gorehowl is slightly better because it has a very minor extra effect vs demons

in practice though, you don't really care - just get the highest ilevel shit you can; once you have a lot of extra high level stuff, then you can worry about min/maxing stats

[cold cave]

I was arms in s1 I think

[cold cave]

Thank you kindly! I almost do more overall on my 428 than my 470 dk

[verbal orchid]

Hi all, is anyone able to look at my logs for mythic Volcoross? I dont have the two bis trinkets, or the legendary, but for a ST fight, I still think I'm missing something. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MX2v8m39kyBa6K7C#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=11

[cold cave]

Wait youre the guide writer, I think read something on wowhead that was outdated

When do I use Spear on fury?

Like in what situation/dungeon

[ember apex]

single target specifically

[buoyant salmon]

only used in st bosses

not in keys

[ember apex]

like volcoross and nymue

[buoyant salmon]

and smolderon, larodar, gnarl igira as well

[olive wraith]

People use spear on igira?

Til

[buoyant salmon]

ofc? the spear damage doesnt matter at all

[past pivot]

Early on, don’t worry about stats. Just ilvl. @clever path is talking silly.
As you gear up, you want to sim your toon as your stat preferences will change depending on your gear.
Generally it’s strength (ilvl) then mastery then it could be any of the other secondaries. There is no % to aim for or stop at.

[still swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134977622737158274.gif?size=96&quality=lossless
what a spec man

[edgy widget]

what a spec man...

welcome to Fury

[past pivot]

Spear is generally used for single target fights in raid. Not m+ unless super high keys in super specific situations. And even then, might still not run spear.

[still swift]

yea its wild

hack and slash is some conduit thing isnt it

[olive wraith]

I figured people ran roar for spears

[fast mural]

what an interesting way to nerf aug in m+

just make afflicted be able to be buffed

[edgy widget]

depends on whether you wanna pad or not lol

[olive wraith]

I do love padding

[edgy widget]

but realistically, the vast majority will run Roar, at least on M

Igira Spears do need to die, and the ST loss from taking Roar > Spear is negligible

on N/H they'll often get deleted so fast that you might as well be full ST though, yeah

[olive wraith]

Ya on heroic I don’t bother

[clever path]

Is what i said wrong??

[cold cave]

Never seen people like biz, crit or mad use it

[olive wraith]

I just of

[still swift]

its not necessarily correct

[buoyant salmon]

wdym

in raid?

[clever path]

Why

[cold cave]

"Super high keys"

[clever path]

Because hes just gearing and taking what he can get?

[buoyant salmon]

oh yeah thats just a wrong thing, u dont run spear in aoe

[clever path]

Or because those are not the stats you want

[buoyant salmon]

maybe if it was like upper karazhan tyrannical

[cold cave]

Wasnt Spear aoe in sl? Got a faint memory of it being op af

[ember apex]

yeah it was ur burst opener

[buoyant salmon]

spear is still aoe now, roar is just better

[cold cave]

Oh yeah looks cooler imo too

[long prairie]

roar goes grrrrrr

[still swift]

because it 's not as binary as "yea u want 25 of these two stats and then the rest", aka it's not necessarily correct to say.

[clever path]

I said roughly. And its also literally what it says in archi’s guide

[modest condor]

spear was a covenant ability in sl, not a talent

it had a very different opportunity cost

[edgy widget]

shouldn't worry about stats while you're still gaining ilevel

[cold cave]

Oh I know I played in sl, mostly dk and healer but I did play warrior

[hardy cargo]

nah man surely my 1 talent point=covenant choice buff spear to near my top overall again 🙂

[still swift]

a) archi's guide says
"haste falls off around 25%"
b) archi's guide, 2 lines below, says;
"Keep in mind that these values fluctuate heavily and the best gear actually available to you may not meet these ideals."

[past pivot]

Yes. There aren’t specific percentages to aim for of any stat. While gearing up, ilvl will usually win out.
After that, it depends what gear you have. Some people will have 23% haste and some will 34% haste and their sims will be very close.
That’s why it’s good to sim your toon and not look at stats so much. And sims don’t care about balancing. It tries to maximize your dps based on your gear under the parameters you set for that simulation.

[cold cave]

Good summerise

[buoyant salmon]

that too

[long prairie]

when ur 400 ilvl u dont sim every piece of gear just try to go 25 haste and the rest mastery

[clever path]

You guys are arguing semantics

[long prairie]

dont bother until ur 470ish imo

[clever path]

“Sim yourself” is just always the answer

[buoyant salmon]

ofc it is

[still swift]

sim yourself is the answer but you're also saying things that are not fully correct regardless

[modest condor]

my point is that in sl it competed with 3 very different abilities than it does in df, in df the ability it competes with is better on aoe, in sl the abilities it competed with were worse on aoe

[clever path]

Theyre also not incorrect

So semantics

Sim yourself

[still swift]

the thing you said differs from the source you gave

hence it's incorrect

[cold cave]

I remember running banner for s3 or s4 it was fun think it was on arms tho

[still swift]

just straight up

[edgy widget]

this - opportunity cost matters

• in SL you had Spear in addition to everything else
• in DF it directly competes against Roar

So they have/had different use cases

[cold cave]

Necrolord banner i think is the name

[clever path]

Lol

[clever path]

what does "falls off" mean?\

Diminishing returns

[ember apex]

loses value

[clever path]

is it like, after 25% it stops being beneficial? like 25% is cap?

[ember apex]

no

just not as valuable as gaining value up to that point

[still swift]

it means: "after 25% you may find that haste gives you less damage per point than it would before"

[edgy widget]

not really that binary, but yes - the value drops off to the point where you don't want to go out of your way to stack it

[ember apex]

once u get 25-30% haste approximately, sims start recommending getting different secondaries that have more ST dps value

thats why its important to sim ur gear upgrades

[edgy widget]

technically speaking, diminishing returns is something else entirely

[clever path]

Fuck me lol

so i have 28% haste right now, and if i do a sim it would most likely recommend me give + to something else instead?