fury

[naive summit]

there are only a few things u need to pay attention too

the rest becomes like muscle memory

my only prob with outlaw rn is that u have to use a dagger

which really fucks up the mog

[paper ivy]

how does this tattered dreamleaf work?

u use it on a party member and you both get extra leafs?

[clever path]

not at all

pre aug that is

[paper ivy]

or does he have to do sth

[clever path]

pre aug fury was one of the best m+ specs

one of the best st really good aoe very consistent with on demand burst

very tanky

[naive summit]

so is aug to blame for why im having such a rough time getting into keys?

[clever path]

no

[noble elm]

No that would be a combination of a lack of warrior utility and your io score

[clever path]

u have to overqualified

thats completely normal

[naive summit]

i have a 27 wm timed

and i cant get into a 25 to reroll my key

do i need like a 29 or some shit?

[clever path]

25 wm?

[noble elm]

If you had a 37 timed you might get invited

[supple laurel]

lmao

[naive summit]

lmaooo

i see

[supple laurel]

"might"

[clever path]

the reason why u cant is because there are dhs signing up

as well

[naive summit]

outlaw angle for sure

fuck war

[clever path]

why would u invite a warrior when u invite a dh

[naive summit]

yea actually

dookie game

[clever path]

m+ has always been this way unfortunately

[naive summit]

respect to the warriors thuggin it out in this climate tho

[clever path]

trust me if we did havoc dmg we would be in every other key

especially the higher keys

with our survivability

[naive summit]

why is blizz gatekeeping us

[noble elm]

If you’re pugging 25+ as fury you prob need to be 3200ish to get reasonable invites

[clever path]

im 3.4 not getting invited so no

[naive summit]

bro in my mind, warrior is like a-a+ tier

[cosmic lance]

Its also an awful week to be pugging

[fierce vine]

woop woop got it

[noble elm]

Even then you’ll wait 30 mins or so to find a group

[clever path]

tbf im gonna be 3.6

[naive summit]

but the community thinks we are d tier

[clever path]

got like 4 20s still

lmao

[clever path]

b+ in mid keys

a-/a in higher

[naive summit]

i never die

legit never

[cosmic lance]

The gap between a good havoc/outlaw and fury is large

[clever path]

ye but survivability is irrleevant in 25s

[naive summit]

the whole team could get one shot and im chilling

[clever path]

nothing does damage anyway

[naive summit]

just me and the tank

[clever path]

in 28s/29s fury is a not so undesirable

very good prio dmg and very good st

also unkillable

[uneven lantern]

has anyone noticed a dps loss since reset?

[clever path]

no

i actually deal more damage now

lariat gaming

[uneven lantern]

hmm iok thanks

[clever path]

couldnt craft it last week even though i was socketmaxxing like week 4 or someshit

still rolling with 483 weapons

0 weapons from vault

full vault every single week

[noble elm]

I’m 3.15 and I get into 25s but it takes 30 mins or so of applying per key

[clever path]

man i hope u could use like

12 tokens

[naive summit]

ik ive said this before, and people have said it doesnt matter

but like

[clever path]

and get a piece u want

[naive summit]

if they just took meat cleaver and turned the 4 into a 7

i swear

we would be cookin

[clever path]

honestly

a more "fury" change

would be to make 2p cleave

make us the king of 5t

[naive summit]

yea thats based

idk who decided to not make it cleave

[clever path]

same

its such a bad aoe tier

[naive summit]

"yea war would be too good at 5 target cleave if we did that"

[clever path]

(outlaw)

[snow edge]

No shot they're changing current tier given we're going with S2 tier next season though, shame

[naive summit]

outlaw dh demo bm exists

[clever path]

i wish we could run s3 in raid

and s2 in m+

[naive summit]

oh wait season 2 won?

[clever path]

but m+ is the main game mode of fated so i went with s2

[naive summit]

from na ithought season 3 was winning by a huge amount

[snow edge]

S2 won the votes; nothing has been formally announced confirming which tier sets will be used, it's just assumed S2

S3 won in NA, S2 won in EU

[clever path]

i personally dont really enjoy s3 in m+

but in raid its amazing

without wf tho

its kinda yikes

i hate how fury is tuned around wf

atm

[naive summit]

yea i find myself weaving in charges so much

[clever path]

you can prevent this by using bt at 80 rage

bb slam u are at 80 rage

u bt

then ramp

[naive summit]

yea i do that a lot and even then

[clever path]

it will smooth out the rotation a lot

[naive summit]

maybe its something else then

[clever path]

idk im all vers/mastery with very low haste and im not running into those issues often

[naive summit]

but i can see sometimes in between global that there will be a gap in the future if i dont charge

[clever path]

it happens but not a lot

gameplay wise s3 is good imo

i just dont like RA in m+

[naive summit]

yea i like it

what if they just made the 2 set

50% effective in aoe

instead of 0% effective

[clever path]

i mean

it already would be

cause ww isnt cleaving full dmg

[sick viper]

EU is full of a bunch of neckbeard nerds with social safety nets

[naive summit]

true tru

[clever path]

2p on aoe would mean

guaranteed cshb on 5 targets

and more dmg

you could theoretically mouseover bb to apply it to more targets but thats troll

u play fury for prio dmg

[gentle terrace]

Is anyone else having a dogshit slow update right now?

It's been stuck at like 100 KB/s despite me having unlimited speed for updates, not sure what's happening

[wanton mirage]

oh yeah i thought it was only me

[olive wraith]

Sounds like you need more tertiary

[marble schooner]

guess who got Myth track AD helm from vault and mistakenly turned it into a tier piece just now?

i wanna die in game

[scarlet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-who-gif-12911682

[acoustic furnace]

I mean... Tier helm has solid stats so I'd still be okay with it.

[fringe flame]

yeah but AD helm was perfect stats

[gilded pawn]

you are technically supposed to drop tier helm at full bis i believe

so yeah thats sadge

wonder if you can gaslight blizzard support

[olive wraith]

Are you full bis aside from helm?

[clever belfry]

always worth a shot

[acoustic furnace]

I just don't understand how one accidentally catalyzes something

And I'm almost 100% certain that blizz would just tell you get wreckt. If you could undo cata charges that shit would 100% be abused.

"Uh oh I got heroic hands after using cata on champion three days ago. Better call support to fix this for me."

[hearty surge]

@slim coral You are live on max stream rn

what do you think about that

[young swan]

why did u lie

[hearty surge]

I am not lying

check the dps meters

[young swan]

oh yeah

that was the last time he logged in i think

[hearty surge]

Got beaten by horseboy

in dps

xdd

[hallow sphinx]

😹

[clever path]

so for ST when do i send stick?

im reading pins

[acoustic furnace]

The fuck is stick?

[clever path]

the orange axe

[young swan]

after cd's

[acoustic furnace]

Oh just use it after your opener.

[young swan]

i usually wait until after my second OF

thats usually when everything tapers off

[clever path]

okay thanks

[acoustic furnace]

Never use it while you have CDs ready. It's a DPS loss if you do.

[young swan]

and then after that its just kinda whenever u can/whenever makes sense

[acoustic furnace]

I'm full sockets now. Any lariat gamers in here think it's any good?

[frail trout]

with the buff to the legendary do you send it immediately on roots for M tindral?

like OF straight into leggo

[sullen tendon]

is this a pawn thing or a game thing

i dont remebmer if ihave pan isntalled or not

[acoustic furnace]

Don't trust these addons that say something is X% of an upgrade. It is almost never accurate.

[sullen tendon]

yea i know

i didnt knwo if it was a game thing

like official

never seen tha windwo pop for pawn before

[tropic cobalt]

yo anyone else kinda hate the new spear

it's so much harder to see on the floor

[young swan]

i hate spear period

so yes

[stone epoch]

you can barely see the graphic..

[clever path]

[stone epoch]

AD helm is BiS

[dapper goblet]

you will be chucking spear until its removed from the game

(it wont be)

[warm crag]

@young swan i have a huge problem and idk how to solve it its about my rotation and skill as a player

[young swan]

dont ask me

[dapper goblet]

or they could also just make spear not be dogshit ground ability

[warm crag]

i will

[young swan]

(bote)

[warm crag]

(bote)

[clever path]

im like

full vers mast

except cloak

crit haste

[clever belfry]

remove it

[wraith wharf]

just do a drop @pulsar wing macro for spear, you have to stand in it anyway

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-8096390291642689466

[clever belfry]

id rather have BOTE than spear

[wraith wharf]

..oh my god i just pinged someone

sorry

[clever belfry]

Eie spear die

[warm crag]

@pulsar wing get rolled

the spear the

[clever path]

blood of the enemy

[stone epoch]

there has to be a reason why they changed the name, they are reworking it in the next expansion THUNDERFURY!

[warm crag]

make it blood red there u go its warrior themed

[dapper goblet]

feel like they could just make spear be like spear from d3

and be like..

a tank thing..

[wraith wharf]

no, its just cause spear of bastion didnt really match the warrior theme and they wanted to distance themselves from shadowlands

[clever path]

make it a utility spell

it silences everything in it

based

no dmg tho

[clever belfry]

that's why its still bright blue icon real

[wraith wharf]

spear wouldnt be so bad if they removed the buff for standing in it

[clever belfry]

these redesigns are so fucking lazy

[dapper goblet]

rally bind

[tropic cobalt]

i mean idk i dont mind spear inherently

[warm crag]

i hope you dont bind anything to ctrl f what the fuck are you doing

[clever path]

all they have to do is change a few colors in the icon

[tropic cobalt]

its like one of the few things that gives fury any thought to it

[clever belfry]

"" "jade fire" "" stomp is still blue icon while its green brownish on floor

[tropic cobalt]

but this new animation is so much harder to see

[dapper goblet]

ctrl is prime

[clever path]

they got rid of rune of power

why not spear

[clever belfry]

ctrl+e pot sponges

[stone epoch]

Spear should just apply a dot t hat ticks instead of a buff zone.. after all you infact throwing a spear at the target.

[warm crag]

@young swan im curious how i can get past this quest step (i failed)

[clever belfry]

ctrl+q zerker rage (rip king)

[clever path]

Spear shouldn't exist

[tropic cobalt]

well i like the critical strike damage bonus i guess

[young swan]

what do u mean u failed

[tropic cobalt]

but sure they could get rid of the area requirement

[warm crag]

i failed the wallet check

[clever belfry]

brain issues

[young swan]

???

[clever belfry]

he is down bad

[young swan]

just 0 dollars?

[warm crag]

gm left me on read when i asked him to email me some gold coins

[clever belfry]

i had to pay for his boe

[stone epoch]

Warrior Class is being balanced by CHATgpt level of AI

[clever belfry]

and im down bad too

[young swan]

okay yeah ur bricked

[warm crag]

u didnt have to pay for shit

penkek did

[clever belfry]

i literally

paid for ur boe

mid raid

[young swan]

i was funded by the gajeel-thrall <vision> trust fund

[clever belfry]

u ape

[warm crag]

i didnt ask for it i just sent him the droptimizer

[clever belfry]

[clever path]

[warm crag]

more emotes themed after anda

cba

[clever belfry]

[warm crag]

real

did my definitely real 100 lock in

[clever belfry]

wish i was as funny as her

Mine will likely lock in

😎😎

[warm crag]

100 parse (1 out of 2)

[clever belfry]

hey its gonna be 20

and i wouldve been 11/370 2 days ago

Or well

11/390 now ig

I did okay

was a bad pull, lost like 20k dps

[warm crag]

ye and i have to do mental gymnastics to somehow get myself in the upper half of logs

[clever belfry]

You?

you mean me

[warm crag]

wdym you did fine considering you ebon mighted a warlock with passive pets

[clever belfry]

u dont understand the hardships i went through this boss...

he #FoughtBack

🥦

[warm crag]

you got rolled

[fast crest]

why is this game update taking so long

[clever belfry]

bnet is shit

that's why

[clever path]

small company

[fast crest]

im not gonna be able to log in time for raid at this rate

[clever path]

they cant afford bandwidth

[fast crest]

jesus did anyone else have this issue today?

[clever belfry]

people had it on EU too yep

[clever path]

idk i didnt

[clever belfry]

me neither

but 2 of my guildies had 15kbps dls

[clever path]

skill diff i guess

[clever belfry]

Just something with the CDN being weird

who knows bro

[fast crest]

Let’s try the old restart your pc trick

[flat river]

OH I FORGOT

NEW SPEAR VISUAL

BUFF

Or is that next xpac

XD

[rocky wharf]

can u convert 486 crafted with catalyst, and it will be part of mythic set?

[olive wraith]

Cannot

[thorny lily]

37 tides and nothing 😦

[rocky wharf]

lame was looking to make use of the cata and crests and finish set

[thorny lily]

what i have to do to drop this trinket wtf

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it cheaper to farm gear

From m+

[amber arch]

ok really stupid question, just BT still have a chance to enrage you? can't see it on the talent description

[olive wraith]

Yes

[amber arch]

kk thanks

[north edge]

farming might?

ive seen it in like 5/7 vaults

might just be easier to get it from a vault

I've seen exactly 1 drop across all my toons like actually 100s of runs

but i have 489 MotO on my 3 warriors lol

[hard widget]

I've been lucky enough to get it quite early on

[thorny lily]

idropped 6 crabs already

myself looting it

sadge

[full token]

is simming with Dungeon Slice accurate at all?

[hard widget]

Its hard to sim dungeons properly

Its probably best to sim patchwork 1 boss and patchwork 5 bosses

To see ur aoe / st dmg

And make decisions based on the differences in aoe / st

Keep in mind that usually st is more valuable than aoe dmg by a factor however

[full token]

which combo would you rather use in a tyranical 20+ ?

or

[fringe vale]

sim it patch 5

and see

[hard widget]

Sim it

[fringe vale]

sim it but 2nd will come ahead

[hard widget]

From first glance ur sim will most likely tell you to take both 489 trinkets purely of ilvl

[fringe vale]

oh yeah i didnt see 476 lol

[hard widget]

If you have might at 483 it will most likely be the second combo however

The first trinket (although i have no sims to back this up) is a random proc effect. Since most our dmg comes from our cooldowns and it being isolated to like 10-15 seconds. Not getting a proc basically makes the trinket less valuable

[fringe vale]

i hate rppm with a passion

i hate the random of it

[north edge]

😄

[fringe vale]

it sucks

[hard widget]

Well with anger management it would be fine

Since we do consistant damage with AM

But with RA everything is frontloaded

[full token]

Might/Rezan equipped

5 boss patchwork

[north edge]

the crit trinket sims very well

[hard widget]

The reason for this, is that Rezan is an ST proc trinket, like i said u have to compare both 1 boss vs 5 bosses and weigh off the st loss vs the aoe gain

[fringe vale]

yeah sure but regardless of am, i hate the randomness of trinkets such as signet and augury and rezan's

[full token]

ya

[fringe vale]

ive seen it insanely proc and sometimes the dmg is so ass

sometimes its gigachad dmg

[hard widget]

Rezan's uptime is very high

[fringe vale]

and sometimes its wet noodle dmg

[hard widget]

I have a different experience with it to be honest

[north edge]

rezan will be like 3% overall

in a tyran key

which is kind of ass

[hard widget]

Well not really

Considering its 3% st damage

Like i said, in a lot of cases ST is far more valuable than aoe dmg

Especially on bolstering and tyran weeks

[north edge]

on high keys your much better off running just signet

assuming you have it from raid

[hard widget]

Thats bait

Signet is very hard to maintain uptime with unless you're playing with a tank that keeps chaining

[sudden tusk]

another greater ember of go kill myself

[north edge]

you can use that toy

for the downtimes

[hard widget]

The only dungeons i run singet on is WM/EB

[north edge]

but yes its bait this week because its bolseter

bolter

bolster*

but then again why are you doing any keys above a 18 this week anyway

next 2 weeks are basically rest weeks for warriors

[hard widget]

From my experience its good to just embrace we do fuckall aoe and are mostly st prio right now. I usually play with 2 classes that can handle aoe while i play st with trinkets like rezan's

As much as i dislike it xd

[fringe vale]

it still funny to see dh with aoe set dealing the same or more st dmg than us going st set lol

[hard widget]

Yeah well thats an entire different issue

Which i have complained plenty about x)

[fringe vale]

yeah just lets not talk about it

it makes me sad

and angry

[hard widget]

Next season will be fun

S2 fury and S1 arms

[fringe vale]

when ppl tells me "just reroll to smt op dude"

fuck em all; i wanna play what i enjoy

[hard widget]

Unless you really want to go for the absolute top ur fine playing whatever

And funnily enough most of the players that "rerolled into something op" are not better or higher on those chars

[fringe vale]

yeah sure, still sucks the meta wired brain of casuals in pugs groups that will leggit not inv u having almost 3.3k io and taking a lower io dh just cuz its a dh

[hard widget]

Well they're constantly being influenced by a billion creators making tierlists and making it seem as if nothing else is viable

Player > Class

[fringe vale]

yeah thats what i meant by meta wired brain

its like stupid ppl picking counterpicks in league having 0 knowledge on how to play the champ

[hard widget]

Till a certain point it doesnt matter really, you can reroll and be fine till you start hitting a brick wall where you need to be aware of surroundings, cc's, kicks, and most importantly surviving

[olive wraith]

Do you pull the flowers onto tree boss?

[hard widget]

Usually yes

[olive wraith]

Are you able to keep stacks up after boss dies?

[hard widget]

Issue is that whenever you do this the avarage pug will nuke all their cds to pad on the flowers instead of holding onto them and sending it on intermission x)

[hard widget]

No, but thats also because i play arms till we killed first boss

Then port to swap fury

[olive wraith]

Op Strat lol

[hard widget]

Season 1 arms big pad

But actually this week i probably just stick fury

[cosmic lance]

Or your tank is incapable of surviving breaths until intermission with the plant debuff

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm pumps in eb

[hard widget]

Or that

[olive wraith]

It’s so tempting

[hard widget]

But if your tank dies on whiterbark you have a different issue @cosmic lance

[cosmic lance]

Had quite a few tanks take a dirt nap getting 1 shot by breath with dread petal stacks

[hard widget]

What tank / healer?

[cosmic lance]

All sorts

They usually dont press a defensive

Its a misplay

[hard widget]

If you have a paladin or mistweaver / brew this should NEVER happen

With a dh not either tbh

Since he can disengage the stacks

[cosmic lance]

Yeah they can, they just dont always know they can

[hard widget]

Yeah i mean xd

Then ur key is doomed to begin with really

[north edge]

bolstering is like having both Fortified and Tyranical in a key

[cosmic lance]

This is a decnt week for proper groups and pug nightmare tbh

[north edge]

im seeing groups that timed +30 last week

only timing 28s this week

[hard widget]

I dont think this is a proper week even for good groups

[cosmic lance]

Skylarked/moad etc were messing around in the easier 30s

[patent sinew]

Stupid question..... my friend on NA server... can i do M+ with them even though im EU?

[hard widget]

It loses you a lot of time playing around bolstering in quite a lot of dungeons

[junior gale]

bolstering teehee

[fringe flame]

No

[cosmic lance]

They're still 100% doable

[patent sinew]

lame >.<

Thanks though

[cosmic lance]

The easier 30s/maybe 31s

[hard widget]

Till a certain point yes

But this is deffo not a push week

Too many dungeons have too shitty hp pools on packs

Making it impossible to pull efficiently for a tyran week

[cosmic lance]

They're not gonna be doing any 32s or anything but they can definitely do 30/31 on a fair few keys

[fringe flame]

How do you guys sim for m+? Dungeon Slice or Patchwerk with more targets for what length?

[hard widget]

Oh yeah probably, pugs is insanely bad tho. Tried a few 27's to see the week and it was a nightmare

[cosmic lance]

Yeah thats what i mean, its fine for coordinated groups

Pugs are struggling though

Im not even getting invited to score keys this week i dont think

[hard widget]

Dungeons like EB WM ToTT are not really fine tho xd

[cosmic lance]

EB bolstering tyran is just a dead key

[hard widget]

Not for even coordinated groups

These keys are a nightmare

[cosmic lance]

Tyran DHT is pretty brutal too

Every boss just slaps the shit out of you

[hard widget]

DHT is bugged

So dht is a no go anyways

[cosmic lance]

Bugged how?

[hard widget]

Whenever you engage first boss tank will keep the nightmare dot on him

And it doesnt drop

[cosmic lance]

Oh i heard about that being a thing

[hard widget]

And another fun fact

Afflicted spawns raptors on AD 😄

[cosmic lance]

Didnt know it was a consistent bug though

[hard widget]

On Rezan

[cosmic lance]

Yazma can soul rend afflcted spawns too

[north edge]

dosnt rezan also target afflited though

and eat them

thats kinda neat

[hard widget]

Im not sure

Have only played Rise and ToTT this week yet kekw

[cosmic lance]

I did an AD earlier

If she casts soul rend with an add up it gets a ghost

From what i've seen

[hard widget]

Eta gg

[north edge]

might be a strat though

to leave afflicted for wracking pain casts

[hard widget]

And get less reflect chance?! FUCK NO

We need damouche

[cosmic lance]

I dont know if she can target them but yeah, i saw random purple ghosts walking across the arena

[north edge]

i swear this week the strat is to take 3 fury warriors into AD

[cosmic lance]

Was very confused until i put 2 and 2 together

[north edge]

if you can make it to rezan with enough time

healer + 3 fury + tank would shit on rezan

i mean yazma

[hard widget]

Timer on AD is giga free

[north edge]

yeha but ur gonan mega struggle

with 3 warriors

0 ccs

[hard widget]

Naa

I did 26 Fall the other day with 4 warriors

Was pretty funny

[cosmic lance]

AD probably the few keys you could run 3 warriors

[hard widget]

We depleted because healer wiped us on last boss 2ce

[cosmic lance]

Not a huge kick/stun requirement

But yeah i doubt im getting into any score keys on my warr this week

[hard widget]

What score you at Neeko?

[cosmic lance]

pugging at 3.3

so like 25/26 for score atm

[hard widget]

Yeah rough area that is

[cosmic lance]

Like its doable, you just wont get invited over a dispeller

For the most part

[hard widget]

Thats where people suddenly get giga picky for no apparent reason

[north edge]

ive had trouble getting into 24s this week

at 3.3

[cosmic lance]

Yeah, i've got a bunch of 26 2 chests and i was getting declined from 24s

[hard widget]

Weirdly enough i listed LF EB/ToTT/Rise

And got like 6 keys offered up

[north edge]

last week on average i got invited to 1 out of ever 50

[cosmic lance]

Might be a region thing

[north edge]

every 50 groups i applied

[hard widget]

EU silvermoon

[cosmic lance]

yeah i'm na/oce

[hard widget]

Move to the EU 😎

[north edge]

NA/OCE is incredibly racist

to warriors

[cosmic lance]

Last week was the easiest time i had getting into keys

[north edge]

or classist i should say

[cosmic lance]

Most of the good oce players dont pug

[hard widget]

I'd advice you to play your own key @cosmic lance

[cosmic lance]

Yeah, sometimes i do

[north edge]

i dont even need the good oce players

[cosmic lance]

Sometimes i can't be bothered

[north edge]

I just want to play with the shit 3.3 players

[hard widget]

I know the feeling to not be bothered xd

I got a 29 ToTT because i forgot to do m0's for picking a key

Rip me

[cosmic lance]

Problem is there's so many bait players that've failed their way up to 3.3

Actually so easy to get carried into 24/25 level atm

[hard widget]

Yes

[upbeat sentinel]

tormented branch is GOATed AoE for us right

[cosmic lance]

End up with people doing tank damage or not knowing how to play dungeons

[modest condor]

i need a push group

[hard widget]

Lets start one, u reroll ye sil?

[north edge]

im actually dealing with a reroll aswell this week

[modest condor]

xd

[north edge]

so i actually need score but its rough

[hard widget]

❤️

[north edge]

My first warrior keeps getting bricked vaults

meanwhile the warrior that had decent vault luck ended up with the leggo aswell

[modest condor]

we can get minshi to tank

[hard widget]

Trueeeee

[modest condor]

just need a healer and another dps who are insane enough to join a double warrior group

[north edge]

So now im gearing up my 2nd warrior with leggo

[hard widget]

Bro Sil

Nobody except for a warrior is gonna wanna join us

[sullen dove]

"yea guys dungeons will die so fast with 2 fury warriors doing prio damage"

[modest condor]

yeah but triple warrior when incorp/afflicted exist

[sullen dove]

can time 32's

[hard widget]

Just dont play these weeks Sil its fine

[modest condor]

true

[hard widget]

We just forget to log in kugh

[hard widget]

3 is better than 2 dude

[cosmic lance]

I've actually seen so many keys already that I know started at 27/28 listed in group finder at like, 23

From people pugging this week

[restive peak]

Keys are fucked this week fr, managed 28 fall and 27 rise and it was absolutely dogshit awful and barely timed

[north edge]

holy shit a 27 rise

[hard widget]

Linc shaddap u outscored me, i dont like u anymore

xD

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[north edge]

that shit just sounds awful on tyran

[dense elbow]

Shaman healer can solo afflicted 4xwarrior dream lives

[north edge]

how many rounds did it take to deal with Tyr?

[hard widget]

Now we talking

[modest condor]

is there anything spicy in brh because of bolstering?

[cosmic lance]

is +31 tyran fall even doable?

[north edge]

on th 27 rise

[hard widget]

Yes

[cosmic lance]

Don't you just get hardstuck on last boss?

[modest condor]

which part?

[hard widget]

The scavs have these prio mobs that will slaughter the tank when the scavs die. U can stop their channeled tankbuster but u need to make sure to let it cast to stop it otherwise it recasts

And tank will floor

[dense elbow]

Prot warr won't die

[hard widget]

Forgot their names

[modest condor]

oh the guys after the 2nd boss

[hard widget]

Yes

[dense elbow]

That buster is blockable

[hard widget]

And skip the demi boss @modest condor

[north edge]

are there any good tank busters that tault spell reflect works on this week

[cosmic lance]

Bolster an arcanist and pray

[hard widget]

Go out range of the last boss in throne and charge back easy 2 mil there

[dense elbow]

Wcm withering, ehm

[cosmic lance]

I think he meant trash mechanics?

[north edge]

nah i meant boss

[cosmic lance]

Oh

[north edge]

its tyran week

[cosmic lance]

Yeah all the usual ones

[hard widget]

I did a 2.5m water bolt reflect in throne earlier kekw

[cosmic lance]

Lord wayc rest, ozumat

[north edge]

i know about the EB one

whats the ozumat one? is there any risk?

[cosmic lance]

Its a 0.5s cast

[hard widget]

Yes the risk is big

[cosmic lance]

And if your tank is slow you die

[hard widget]

Ur tank needs to be fast as fuck

Ur best bet is to insta charge when taunting

[cosmic lance]

literally has to taunt back the second you press yours

[hard widget]

So that u get meleed instead of recasted

[cosmic lance]

But its a huge amount of dam

[hard widget]

The melee hit u can live, the recast u cant

So taunt outrange insta charge after with reflect up

And pray

[cosmic lance]

Honestly the boss reflects are so much value if you're consistent

[hard widget]

3rd boss is nice reflects too if you get the flame shock, just know u cant get hit 2ce in a row so if u just got hit and get spell reflect for the next, delay your reflect

[restive peak]

3

Thats a broken heart

[restive peak]

3

[young swan]

most people would just do </3

[hard widget]

Linc isnt most people

xd

[young swan]

no hes a bit special isnt he

[restive peak]

TBH feelin pretty burnt out so you'll pass me soon, once Fyrakky dies I'll probably afk a few weeks besides farm

[restive peak]

[hard widget]

Man next 2 weeks are sjeit what u on about

[restive peak]

Mom says I was born special

[hard widget]

U can go on holiday

xd

[restive peak]

I think, barring nerfs, we're secure for title so I may take 4-5 weeks off lol

[hard widget]

Nah

Title will be like 3.6 3650

[restive peak]

NA title is like 3450 lol

[hard widget]

Quite sure

LOL

[restive peak]

So far

NA sucks man

Fr

It's legit 100+ pnts easier most seasons

[hard widget]

Bro wtf they doing in na?

[modest condor]

working

[hard widget]

EU is 3531

[restive peak]

I told you noone pugs shit or runs past like 25/265s

[young swan]

most of the good players in NA just dont give a fuck/dont have time

[frank dawn]

NA just recognizes that pushing M+ is pain

and opts out of that

[cosmic lance]

Most of the top NA players dont care about keys

[modest condor]

meanwhile eu always has 28+ keys in lfg lol

[cosmic lance]

They only do MDI/TGP

[hard widget]

Where? Please direct me to them thank you very much

[restive peak]

Ye I just have a job w free afternoons so I do keys then

[cosmic lance]

Or raid

[modest condor]

they wont bring you anyway

[hard widget]

Hater

[restive peak]

But like I don't think I've done a key past 8pm EST besides rat alt

[modest condor]

hate the class not the messenger

[hard widget]

They'll see i dont have a leggo

Kekw

Maybe if we sign together sil

2 is better than 1 surely right?

[modest condor]

that'll just lower the chances even further

i'm sure they'll take some 3250 io scrub

[hard widget]

Just say ur a 4k main

U'll be fine

[modest condor]

true

[hard widget]

NerfSil

[cosmic lance]

Taiwan cutoff got everyone beat

[hard widget]

kekw

[young swan]

best warrior in the world has acquired lego its joever for us

[modest condor]

taiwan has like 3 people above the cutoff tho

[restive peak]

Lucky mafucka

[modest condor]

wym max doesnt even play wow anymore how can he get the lego

[young swan]

gajeel is the best warrior to me...

[hard widget]

Because people who dont play get the leggo, i thought we established this in biz his stream earlier

[timid pawn]

anyone contemplating with the crafted bracer?

[dapper goblet]

gajeel owns u

[oblique trail]

Allied wrists?

[hard widget]

Not even in the slightest

[oblique trail]

Or Shadowflame Wrists

[timid pawn]

yeah i think i need more verse thinking of allied wrist

[young swan]

allied enjoyer

[modest condor]

i got avoidance in vault today

because i wasnt tanky enough yet

[oblique trail]

I mean regardless of that, Allied will generally be the best all-rounder embellishment for you

[timid pawn]

but im worried about the recraft? does it need another trophy tho?

[young swan]

no

[summer quail]

No

[hard widget]

Which item did u get sil

[modest condor]

shoulder

[hard widget]

pog

[modest condor]

still waiting for myth track weapon

i swear

[hard widget]

Dont worry the legendary will come next week

Surely

[modest condor]

the day i get lego and myth track weapon im gonna sim 20k higher

[timid pawn]

feels like leggo so underwhelming for some reason

[modest condor]

at least i got an enhance shaman in the raid now, but im still so far behind

[hard widget]

Atleast u have it kekw

[modest condor]

im lucky to get purple parses

[timid pawn]

indeed hahaha

[young swan]

because it is

[hard widget]

Regardless if u use the effect or not its like 7% overal in keys

[modest condor]

the biggest gain from lego is the ilvl lmao

also got hard trolled on council today, i got the poison debuff like 5 times and i never got dispelled

just stood there for however long the debuff lasts

[hard widget]

Do you move out with that?

How cute

[timid pawn]

feels like the effect is wonky

[modest condor]

otherwise my RL yells at me

[hard widget]

Just yell back

Battle shout him

[modest condor]

lol

[ornate gust]

How do we use the leggo in opener and in raid bosses?

[hard widget]

You dont use it in ur opener

[dire vigil]

Outside of axe I literally only need myth track gloves and might 😭 axe isn’t gonna drop until a week before S4 I bet

[sullen dove]

smolderon just parried my odyns fury dot

this game cant be this real

remove this fucking mechanic

[hard widget]

Just pretend to dc

And wipe real quick

xD

[sullen dove]

wiped in 20 seconds dw

[gilded pawn]

wait

that cannot be right

[sullen tendon]

next week for sure

[gilded pawn]

do you have a log for that

that sounds insane

[modest condor]

i need 2 sockets (have the items in my bags), a ring, a trinket and 2 weapons then i have all myth track

[hard widget]

You mustve had terrible rng sil

Im too lazy to craft, otherwise i miss 1 item

[modest condor]

i spent all my rng on getting augury and might from vault

[hard widget]

Dude i rolled 94

This other guy rolled 97

I was so pissed

[restive peak]

Still have normy aug 🙂

[hard widget]

Must feel good having one 😠

Its fine, as long as i have leggo and augury in 2 weeks

[sullen dove]

where check parry

[modest condor]

last season i got like 5 weapons from vault in the first 3 weeks

now still no weapon 2 months into the season

[hard widget]

😂

Smolderon pulled an uno reverse on you

[gilded pawn]

can you link the log

did it parry your dot or the burst

thats funny as hell though

bro got earplugs

[sullen dove]

i didnt see the dot so im assuming the first hit is what applies the dot and the other 3 hits dont

[gilded pawn]

just link the log pls

i wanna see

so he parried the whole hit

holy shit

[sullen dove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/16XpyArk9QqKgnhG#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=42&view=events

was the avatar odyns too

[modest condor]

yeah it's why OF shows up as 3 parts

1st mh + dot
2nd mh
both oh

[hard widget]

That is a yikes

[gilded pawn]

this game sucks

[young swan]

always has

[frank dawn]

parry is completely well thought out mechanic in the modern game

[hard widget]

Dw it could be worse, u could have no myth track weapons like Sil kekw

[frank dawn]

too bad the encounter designers don't even know it exists when you ask them about it

[modest condor]

stop bully

[hard widget]

I would never bully you sil ❤️

[sullen dove]

my fingers are so fuckin cold man this shits so annoying

playin on this dogwater computer

[hard widget]

How does your computer make ur fingers cold xd

[gilded pawn]

good computers should be hot

i use it to warm my feet

[sullen dove]

the dogwater computer is unrelated to my fingers

its just cold outside

[floral sorrel]

Ive got a weird question that someone might be able to answer. Do you have 1 shot a week at getting the legendary axe? Like ive killed him on heroic this week, but if I went into normal, do I have another chance at it or nah?

[sullen dove]

no

heroic first uses all chances from every difficulty below it

[hard widget]

^

[floral sorrel]

Kinda dumb but good to know

[hard widget]

Well

[young swan]

why

[hard widget]

I cba to do all difficulties

[sullen dove]

eh its nice it doesnt force you to do lfr > norm > heroic

[hard widget]

So im happy about it

[floral sorrel]

True

[young swan]

it has the cumulative chance for all of the difficulties below it

[floral sorrel]

It does?

[hard widget]

Instead of super shit, very shit kekw

[young swan]

if lfr is 0.5, norm is 1, and heroic is 1.5 it would be 3% just doing heroic

[floral sorrel]

Cause I, of course, have more ember gains on norm than heroic, but im (I think) 5 weeks deep on heroic kills, so yeah

And is there a % idea how how much the embers increase it by?

[hard widget]

No

[sullen dove]

not enough

[hard widget]

Its like a participation medal

Nobody knows

[floral sorrel]

Wonderful

[ornate gust]

How much dps I lose if I don’t use the leggo on-use charge?

[floral sorrel]

Likely alot

[hard widget]

Not really

[young swan]

its pretty bad so not much

[sullen dove]

3k it seems

[floral sorrel]

It is? Not worth getting?

[young swan]

well its 496

ao

[hard widget]

it is worth getting

[young swan]

so

yeah

[floral sorrel]

Hm

[cosmic lance]

And the dot is literally free damage

[floral sorrel]

yeah

[cosmic lance]

Even if you never on-use it, it's still better than anything else you can get atm

[hard widget]

I can already guarantee he gets it first try

xd

[ornate gust]

That’s sim the on-use in different rotations

[sullen dove]

ya

and "what axe" presumably is not using the on use

but still having it

[ornate gust]

Ah.. got it

[fiery harbor]

i like how #general and #arms chats go slow like an email conversation but #fury chat goes so fast like everyone is basically doing their rotation here

[ornate gust]

That’s true. Always like this 🤣🤣

[hard widget]

U shouldve seen it when the results for the votes came in

[junior gale]

Arms is kinda in a great depression right now

[hard widget]

That was popcorn worthy

[fiery harbor]

pray 4 arms

[sullen dove]

arms is until s4

[hard widget]

next season we'll have fun arms again

[sullen dove]

then it will be peak spec

[hard widget]

Cant wait

[fiery harbor]

whats tierset won for arms

[hard widget]

Season 1

[fiery harbor]

nice... what is it? i didnt play s1

well ill just google

[sullen dove]

boring damage modifiers but it lets you play cleave

and it big fuck

[fiery harbor]

ah cleave is fun

sweeping strikes bad

[abstract solar]

I'm making a crafted ring. Do I want Mastry/Crit or Mastry/Vers?

[fiery harbor]

sim city it

[sullen dove]

sim but probably mast/verse

could be the other tho

[hard widget]

With legendary it could be different so yea sim it

[abstract solar]

🫡

[fiery harbor]

if anything mastery/haste over crit, why would u want crit

but vers better probably

[hard widget]

Because crit gains value when u get the leggo

[frank dawn]

pretty much no matter what I've ever crafted the difference in stats has never been more than .2% tho, and usually .1%. So yes simming it is the right answer, but also it's not really gonna matter lol

[fiery harbor]

what leggo it doesnt exist

[hard widget]

Fair point

I wouldnt know because i dont have it either

[frank dawn]

I had 24 people that could loot in my pug on Tuesday

zero dropped

nice game

I guess it's possible a holy paladin or two could have had it in their bags already out of the 24

[nova atlas]

what's avg price for heroic augury? I think i highballed trying to sell mine for 400k

[past pivot]

It depends on your gear. For me, vers went way up.

[hard widget]

Yeah always depends on stats, sim to be sure ^^

[oblique trail]

Depends on your group, some are willing to pay up to a million

[hard widget]

Idk who said it earlier with soulrend working on afflicted earlier

But i found this

[cosmic lance]

Yeah, thats what happened to me

Several times actually

[modest condor]

a lot of things seem to have broken with the patch

also some old existing bugs happening more often or something

[oblique trail]

average patch for blizzard

[meager gyro]

600k

[dense elbow]

Last 3 runs, they gone for 1.2 to 1.4mill

[edgy widget]

not appreciably - it shouldn't really have much impact at all

though having the legendary does generally increase all stats weights as a matter of overall higher ilevel/damage

[north edge]

im getting DECLINED

[hard widget]

You'll have to agree that the legendary being impacted by crit makes the stat gain more value

[north edge]

to +22s

[hard widget]

Thats what i meant

[edgy widget]

Yes, the legendary is affected by crit, but it's such a small amount of damage (due to taking the place of other abilities that can also crit) that it doesn't have any notable impact on the weight

[covert blaze]

afflicted

[hard widget]

Hmm i was told it was more impactful, might be informed wrong

[edgy widget]

for example, this is my current

and this is with Fyr'alath

crit does go up yes, but so does basically everything (except haste, ofc)

[hard widget]

Isnt an actual statweight sim told to be bad tho?

[oblique trail]

Most people don't know how to read and understand statweights

[compact knot]

if ur using it the wrong way yes

it is bad

[north edge]

yes but when the group already has a Ret and a healer

[oblique trail]

So it's generally not recommended to using it

[hard widget]

Yeah im just generally curious about it

[edgy widget]

stat weights are bad for determining which gear you should use, because they change every time you change a piece of gear - so you'd need to re run them constantly

[hard widget]

I never use stat weight sims

[sullen dove]

think the rule of thumb was stat weights are correct for what youre currently wearing at the time

[compact knot]

i use them for gems/enchants mostly

[edgy widget]

but in this case, we're actually discussing stat weights, so it's relevant

[sullen dove]

get a new piece of gear they change

[cosmic lance]

They're usually bad because they only tell you what gaining that stat is worth, without considering the corresponding loss of changing gear

[hard widget]

Well guess crit doesnt gain much value at all ^^

[edgy widget]

but yeah in general you can ignore stat weights for purposes of determining gear - Top Gear/Gear Compare is way better for that

it can still be a useful tool for seeing general impact, but that's more analytical than "what piece should I equip"

[hard widget]

Imagine being able to be worried about ur crit value changing, must be nice having the legendary 😄

[edgy widget]

crit actually is a bigger stat in MT though, so not a bad thing to think about putting more into

[hard widget]

Oh yeah i knew about it being better in aoe

But idk how much it changes for m+ with leggo

To be quite honest i thought you were talking about m+ earlier too

[edgy widget]

probably worth a little more in MT, assuming you're timing the axe with large pulls

since in big pulls the axe isn't taking place of other competitive abilities, the way it is in ST

[hard widget]

I'd assume use outside cds

Haven't checked how the changes affected that to be fair

Since I still dont have that shitty axe zZzZ

[edgy widget]

Changes didn't do much other than just make the axe better in bigger pulls, but that's already where we ideally want to use it

[hard widget]

Yes but i mean if it changed the timing of when you want to use it

Compared to before

[edgy widget]

na not really, could maybe prioritize axe ahead of personal CDs now, but I don't think that distinction matters all that much

either way, still wanna use it on bigger pulls if possible

[hard widget]

I can already imagine arms season 1 build everbloom first pull

Ohhh

[edgy widget]

speaking of stats, what's really fun are stat plots - while stat weights only show you a snapshot in time, plots show actual long-term growth in both directions

that's overemphasized, since most people aren't casually trading out +/- 10k of a stat, but just for the sake of example

[hard widget]

Seems to be about right

[cosmic lance]

You'll trigger my reforge plot PTSD

[daring zephyr]

screw the lego

i hate it so much

i understand now why so many dragons were raging last season, this is such crap

[fiery harbor]

yeah

random drop chance, so stupid

did they learn nothing from legion

its not fulfilling to get it

its just weeks of frustration

[edgy widget]

it's the classic issue of trying to cater to everyone results in pleasing no one

[sinful spoke]

yeah it is

:3

[hard widget]

They couldve just done it with a quest that took a few weeks or something

This is so lame

[fiery harbor]

make it a solo challenge quest line

[hard widget]

Just not being competitive without it feels yikes

[fiery harbor]

like a mage tower / proving ground style quest

[covert blaze]

casuals would make 100 reddit posts per day

[fiery harbor]

oh no not the reddit posts

[edgy widget]

they could have, but it would still need some kind of random element or else what happens? Every single War/DK/Pal gets the lego at the same time?

[sudden tusk]

yeah that would be preferable

[hard widget]

I mean the randomness is screwing higher level players over massively

[cosmic lance]

Honestly i'd rather it be super, super rare so it's not expected that you have it - or just make it grindable

[sudden tusk]

or if you do higher content you get more funbucks so it finishes faster

[edgy widget]

it might be for some people, yeah, but it would still cause huge issues

[cosmic lance]

This weird middle ground is kinda awful

[sudden tusk]

or i'd rather it just not exist at all

[covert blaze]

i had the same take

[sudden tusk]

and make the smoleron wep a special wep that does a dot on hit

and call it a day

then this garbage

[hard widget]

Like right know im absolutely getting cucked by not having the legendary for m+

Its just not fun

[edgy widget]

Well the bright side is that the axe isn't so powerful that it is a major determining factor in ability

[sinful spoke]

dw even with it u wont get invited to keys

💀

[edgy widget]

but I understand, it's definitely frustrating

[oblique trail]

It's still pretty unfun to see you get beat in raid when you realise the only diff is them having the wep or not

[sudden tusk]

didnt get it this week but i have 2 weeks to get it until there is an actual week

[oblique trail]

And there wasn't anything you could do

unfort

[edgy widget]

just saying that making it as simple as "everyone gets it after 4 weeks" would cause a lot of diff issues

[fiery harbor]

once u get it, you replace the frustration of not having it with the frustration of having to waste 300k

[hard widget]

It still contributes a solid 5-7% overall dps in dungeons which is definitely not neglectible on the higher levels

[gray turtle]

does this look good for m+?

[edgy widget]

I'm not disagreeing, though you could say that about a lot of things tbf

[sinful spoke]

yeah guys its been a few months into the tier wheres my augury and hc brand

[hard widget]

Looks fine yes, i would play dancing blades and vicious concept over slaughtering but thats up to you

[edgy widget]

lil less because of opportunity cost, but I know - still, it's a far cry from the 15%+ legendary and special effect weapons of the past

[edgy widget]

you mean bloodcraze, he has contempt

[hard widget]

I mean i think this season is wack in its totality, but ill take every little bit to make me less shit as a class in m+

[sinful spoke]

more like 10 depending on the key lvl

[hard widget]

Yes my bad its 7 am xd

[edgy widget]

Titanic Rage is fine for M+, and even preferrable in a lot of situations

DB if you want a little more ST though, sure

[hard widget]

I wouldnt say 10, thats pushing it

[edgy widget]

I don't disagree, and I do agree the legendary acquistion is frustrating - I don't think you'll find anyone who would argue against that

I'm just saying that there are obvious issues with the "just give it to everyone" route as well

[hard widget]

Oh yeah i know

[edgy widget]

it's a catch-22: damned if you do, damned if you don't

[cosmic lance]

There would be complaints no matter which way it went

[edgy widget]

personally I'd have liked something like Shadowmourne, but then it's much less accessible to the people who aren't part of organized raid groups

[cosmic lance]

If everyone gets it, it's not special. If its super rare they're gating player power

[hard widget]

I think the part why people are more upset than normal about it is because we're already doing very poor in m+ without it making it unfun

[sinful spoke]

i would have preffered if it was like shadowmourne

but yeah

[edgy widget]

even more than that, if everyone gets it all at once, you've just introduced a massive power spike

[sick viper]

buff warrior

[sinful spoke]

real

[sudden tusk]

-legendary + aura buff id be way happier

[junior gale]

Ive had ppl argue agianst me for aquistion. Saying ppl shouldnt be asking for legendary handouts

[hard widget]

The dungeons we have this season are just not great in combination of our tierset / gamestyle this season imo

In raid we're okay

Not legendary tier strong but yeah well

[edgy widget]

except I said I don't think you'll find any who would argue it wasn't frustrating

and yes, there exceptions to every generality; often coming from idiots or chronic dissenters

[sullen dove]

should be guaranteed after like 2 mythic fyrakk kills tbh

[sinful spoke]

or 10 heroic kills

[sullen dove]

then drop 20mil

[sinful spoke]

sounds reasonable to me

[junior gale]

yeah legendary handout ppl send me off the edge like you didnt earn the legendary because you won the 1% drop lotto

[edgy widget]

I'm in the same boat man, I don't have it either lol

[hard widget]

Imo they should just put a bad luck protection in place like a dinar, every time u dont loot it u get a piece of a token and when u got enough pieces u can just buy the damned thing

[daring zephyr]

I would just personally prefer a deterministic grind

[edgy widget]

only person in my raid who has it is a tank DK alt

[sinful spoke]

idk but like

[daring zephyr]

this would be perfection

[sinful spoke]

if not having the leggo was such a big problem why just not get it? lol

[junior gale]

Blizzard should just be copying FF14 BLP protection collect a token a certain amount of times and you can buy the thing you were farming for

[hard widget]

Thats exactly what i said xd

[junior gale]

yeee

[edgy widget]

In a sense, that's kinda what BLP does

however the issue (that Blizz often repeats) is that we don't actually have any idea how BLP works or how to track it, which increases that level of frustration