nova garnet
And buy a new accpunt
#fury
low folio
think it would be more likely for people to quit instead of buying a whole new account
naive swallow
where's the new correspondent dreaming vendor located at ? https://gyazo.com/2bf319fd41aabef63ec9f4f2733464ea
or if there's any
meager gyro
I bough a whole EU account because average NA player was tilting me, others would probably too
frigid zealot
tall surge
So we have S2 in last season of DF right?
north edge
anyone know why wafting sims well
but haste in general doesnt?
im confused
is sophic proc rate much lower or something
timid forge
what do you guys plan on using next spark for ? i have both rings sf cloak sf bracer vers bracer so far
chrome plover
anything that needs the ilvl or a socket to be honest
kinda just became obsolete after the rings, you could get an embellishment swap maybe, lariat gets pretty good at some point i think
mint vector
anyone know why wafting sims well
Personally my sims are 500 dps +-, so take whatever feels better for your gameplay, i took wafting cause feels smooth on pulls
And I think someone talking about that this season u want big numbers, not a lot of numbers. Thats why vers so fcking good
But here is plp wiser than me xddd
brittle phoenix
kinda just became obsolete after the rings, you could get an embellishment swap ...
Lariat goated fr
random raptor
Which spec won?
eternal sundial
what do you guys plan on using next spark for ? i have both rings sf cloak sf br...
Arms stuff
Sparks giga meh this tier after like 3/4
I made lariat with the extra spark for instance since arm 
chrome plover
was really enjoying this odyn fury build
you've got the whole rest of the tier to enjoy it at least
chrome plover
we're still months away from s4 right
clever path
S2 is gonna make us worthless in raid unless they buff our classes single target (for a lot of fights at least) like the tier Can’t fix that.
We will drop hard and heavy unless there is additional class tuning for season 4
brittle phoenix
Yeah having frequent aoe burst was really useless in S2 fr
chrome plover
icy topaz
snow edge
Tbh, too much ramp time for Rav
clever path
Yeah having frequent aoe burst was really useless in S2 fr
It’s almost like our single target was dog water in s2 which is what I was talking about :p nice bait and switch attempt
unreal onyx
and reck+rav for every roots
You already have of/ avatar+ roar on all of them
eternal sundial
and reck+rav for every roots
Mhm yes 2 tick rav on roots
Or on igira spears
Yam yam
Whatever ur into
icy topaz
chrome plover
idk i think s2 will feel sick on mythic tindral and fyrakk
unreal onyx
I think it’ll be bad but we‘ll see
Is it confirmed which set we get or is it just a vote summary so far
chrome plover
dont think it's closed yet
south kayak
idk i think s2 will feel sick on mythic tindral and fyrakk
yeah AM + ravager on fyrakk
ois pog
every infernal
cds
and adds
Also why the fuck did survival hunters choose season 1????
are they stupid
unreal onyx
Cant wait to be bottom dps in ST again
south kayak
@chrome plover can u explain why survival hunters are stupid
chrome plover
i dont even rememebr what s1 set was
I played mm in s1
I know that people dont like cancelling fote with s3 set
but i voted s3
south kayak
damage increase to raptor strike/mongoose/butchery/carve
some bullshi
t
how is this good
nothing about bombs
south kayak
survival hunters stay losing with bad opinions
chrome plover
classic
next mirage
Annihilator build possible with s2 Fury ?
chrome plover
Im surprised they chose current s3 for MM\
same i voted s1
im out of touch with hunter opinions it seems
chrome plover
Annihilator build possible with s2 Fury ?
possible, yes. optimal, no.
chrome plover
are votes closed?
wild mural
Yes
chrome plover
oh gg
next mirage
possible, yes. optimal, no.
Oki ty
south kayak
Ret chose S3
tbh its the best
unreal onyx
Votes closed ≠ decided which set its gonna be
wild mural
tbh its the best
I wanted S1
south kayak
boring
chrome plover
omg no one voted for aug season 1
not a single person
that's crazy!!!
it must have been so bad
south kayak
lol
frigid zealot
south kayak
I voted dh s1
You are mentally deranged
unreal onyx
I don’t play dh
edgy goblet
Hey guys, I'm preparing a war fury and I would like to know what is the best single target stat? I know what the best stat is for mm+ (looking on murlok.io) but what is the best stat for ST? The objective is to have the highest parses possible without the legendary weapon (I am preparing this war for boost)
lime hound
Anger management is back
unreal onyx
Yes
unreal onyx
EU vote manipulation
lime hound
Was super close
chrome plover
i dont think it's botting tbh
unreal onyx
I think it is
unreal onyx
S2 EU gained 2.5k votes within 3h 2 days ago
clever path
It went from being 20 Percent behind to being 3k votes ahead in EU in like one night
unreal onyx
With no streamer/youtuber putting out anything
clever path
It’s padding the vote for sure
south kayak
Yeah it's sus
lime hound
Legitimately since playing warrior , this is my first ever patch as one. I care about more character more so than others. I have a way more attachment to go farm transmog for the warrior than other toons so I guess people are just more attached to the class
south kayak
yepge
clever path
It wasn’t equal by far overall s3 was ahead 15 to 20 percent for a good while
unreal onyx
What was the final result for NA?
clever path
Then suddenly season 2 went insane in EU
south kayak
Xeos realized he was gonna lose s2 set
clever path
Hopefully blizz sees through this ruse and strikes down the bots
south kayak
so he made 10000 accounts
clever path
But they won’t
unreal onyx
If blizz doesn’t see the obvious manipulation I will complain all S4
frigid zealot
You could vote with all characters not account
unreal onyx
I feel like an american during the last election
frigid zealot
So likely not bot but unintended design flaw
unreal onyx
what would blizzard do
Nothing, I will complain in here
clever path
To be honest I’m just waiting to see what blizzard announces officially
south kayak
To be honest I’m just waiting to see what blizzard announces officially
inb4 blizzard announces that you can choose tiers between content you're doing and we all live together happily ever after
clever path
inb4 blizzard announces that you can choose tiers between content you're doing a...
To be honest yeah they should just do this and make it where we can switch on the fly
unreal onyx
One will be bis and that’s what everyone will play
clever path
Use best option for the moment
south kayak
One will be bis and that’s what everyone will play
Well, bis for different content
like s2 for m+
s3 for raid ST
unreal onyx
But then blizz has to balance 3 sets instead of 1
south kayak
fuck em
unreal onyx
And we know that won’t happen
south kayak
let em work
unreal onyx
-13 every month
clever path
What work? They out out unfinished content and let us test it for them 
south kayak
smash
chrome plover
pass
south kayak
rude
south kayak
good
chrome plover
nah fuck relying heavily on wft
south kayak
^
chrome plover
our enhance got benched early this tier
unreal onyx
rate my stats like its smash or pass
Pass, not enough tertiaries
clever path
only sad part about season 2
Rewriting this to say “only sad part about season 2 is we no longer do boss damage”
chrome plover
and we just had to suffer
clever path
Kek
south kayak
our enhance got benched early this tier
what did he do
fading sky
OH i voted season 3
chrome plover
what did he do
it might have been partly his choice tbh
fading sky
for the same reason
chrome plover
he died a lot on smoldy prog but he didnt 'do' anything crazy
not sure that was why he got benched
south kayak
he died a lot on smoldy prog but he didnt 'do' anything crazy
skill issue
chrome plover
"skill issue" presses spell reflect every 30 seconds and never takes damage
fury moment
unreal onyx
I press SR on cd
chrome plover
it's so insane i cant imagine being another spec on smolderon
unreal onyx
For no reason
chrome plover
i was standing in everything
south kayak
i press SR when someone kicks the cast targetting me
chrome plover
other people die immediately when the boss breathes in their direction
chrome plover
maybe they wont be with am
south kayak
Reck ravager every intermission
unreal onyx
Isnt the cd of of and reck/rav basically the same
south kayak
unreal onyx
With s3 and am
unreal onyx
Reck/rav maybe more sustainable as cdr in ST
south kayak
build up 10 stacks of BT
unreal onyx
But in aoe the cdr feels the same
chrome plover
or just use 4th
unreal onyx
S2 BTs still hit like a noodle compared to S3 BBs I think
clever path
i sohuld have voted s3
unreal onyx
True
timid forge
is s2 what won? i voted s3 fury s1 arms
south kayak
You realized you have chosen the wrong side
plucky ice
s2 fury 
unreal onyx
is s2 what won? i voted s3 fury s1 arms
No one won yet, votes are just closed
plucky ice
only good part is AM
timid forge
ah ok
clever path
We will once again only be worth a damn in m plus and nothing else
mighty swan
S2 boys we are so back
hidden crystal
My vote went to S1, get to play AM Rav and execute go brr, sadly too many didn't vote it due to tuning
tribal siren
S2 suck so much...congratz to you wieners who voted for this crap again....
unreal onyx
Bottom ST DPS we are so back
south kayak
assuming we won't get bfufs
plucky ice
the set bonus is dog, wait for stacks press BT lol
south kayak
buffs
south kayak
mighty swan
S2 is GOATED gameplay
tribal siren
bt only when stacked is so wrong gameplay
clever path
Unless they heavily buff our single target we are dead in the water
mighty swan
Peak dopamine
timid forge
if it is s2 then that means we can go arms more than just council right?
plucky ice
it's bad I don't know why anyone would vote it over s3. maybe nostalgia
unreal onyx
M+ only players
plucky ice
reality will kick in
frigid zealot
"But there is tuning "
gusty fern
or we can pad more on fated
unreal onyx
Cant wait for rav to tick twice before the main burst phases of raidbosses are over
frigid zealot
People forget BB was buffed on s3. There is potential to play exactly how you do now just with ravager and onslaught instead of odyns anhi
tiny notch
rav > of
frigid zealot
Stack crit and just send every 1 stack bt
calm mantle
On reset do you all just go straight for a fyrakk kill or a full reclear?
unreal onyx
Neither
frigid zealot
We did smolder-> fyrak for a while
chrome plover
neither
frigid zealot
Now were just full mythic cause of nerf
wild mural
Just get lego
wild mural
final delta
Just get lego
wild mural
Game pointless without Chawie
unreal onyx
gg
calm mantle
Wait did S2 win? I didn't even vote nor keep up with the vote.
chrome plover
votes closed an s2 is on top
unreal onyx
Doesnt mean it won
calm mantle
😮 I am not against this, back to fast APM
calm mantle
Lets hope my arm/wrist issue heals by season 4.
chrome plover
tbh
unreal onyx
Cpm
deep niche
damn ppl still 
on s3 win
unreal onyx
Whatever
chrome plover
damn ppl still <:copium:839076283467431956> on s3 win
they will be until war within
unreal onyx
Stolen vote
ashen socket
Finally
mossy fox
s2 and s3 are basically same apm, i think ppl just tend to spam excessively with s2 build than they do with s3
ashen socket
Now to shoot up 100 io cause my tyran is doodoo
mighty swan
PogU
nova zenith
Nice
chrome plover
wild mural
Kaching
brittle phoenix
unreal onyx
No official release yet
wild mural
KACHING
chrome plover
STOP THE COUNT
clever escarp
everything better than s3 gameplay
mighty swan
everything better than s3 gameplay
This
south kayak
And everything else too
plucky ice
just feels bad waiting for stacks
unreal onyx
Noway the breakdown is different if you have a diff tier and build
wild mural
Kaching
hushed ocean
my theory : Blizzard never planed to give us choice. They invented/organized this "votegate" and will announce a fix for it, then S3 will be declared winner. change my mind.
plucky ice
s1 arms doesn't seem so bad now
deep niche
unreal onyx
S3 will win if blizz sees the rigging
tribal siren
my theory : Blizzard never planed to give us choice. They invented/organized thi...
that will be clear win win situation 🙂
frigid zealot
s1 arms doesn't seem so bad now
Always been the best of all 6 sets as a choice/spec
Shit fucking owned s1
clever escarp
S3 will win if blizz sees the rigging
so thankfully that wont happen
frigid zealot
Hopefully we own again
hushed ocean
BLIZZ ! please, give us a toggle button on interface, so we can switch it to whatever season we want our set, on demand.
clever path
man
season 3 feels so fluid
but i wonder how i will now look in comparison to ret paladins
brown blob needs to be on top now surely with s2
wild mural
Didn’t S2 fury get more votes than most specs did overall
chrome plover
BLIZZ ! please, give us a toggle button on interface, so we can switch it to wha...
cant wait to swap mid fight
swapping to s3 for last phase razsageth burn
hushed ocean
dh season 3 won by far.... they didn't look back, no S1/S2 shit. They no da way
wild mural
swapping to s3 for last phase razsageth burn
Hot swapping for maximum gains 💪
Swap S1 for execute phase surely
Oh wait
VC
I’m dumb
hushed ocean
hot swap would be a massive shitstorm lol
wild mural
Asscandy + leggo
chrome plover
yeah ash + leggo is kinda lit
wild mural
Enjoyers
chrome plover
and oce + icon
wild mural
and oce + icon
No
frigid zealot
Ash sims almost as much as lego on St at 496
wild mural
Puzzle box and beacon
frigid zealot
mossy fox
fyralath + asscandy
vs
gavel + jaithys
frigid zealot
Probs still gonna use brand
wild mural
fyralath + asscandy
vs
gavel + jaithys
They’re the same thing
mossy fox
similar power levels i bet
mossy fox
sure was
clever path
similar power levels i bet
are u happy about s2
chrome plover
gavel was cringe change my mind
clever path
are we gonna be outdpsing rets on aoe now
mossy fox
are u happy about s2
yes
frigid zealot
mossy fox
gavel was cringe change my mind
it was
mossy fox
are we gonna be outdpsing rets on aoe now
prolly not
wild mural
gavel was cringe change my mind
I played it on my BDK and ret was kinda fun
frigid zealot
Imagine if we didn't have to kill the soul
cosmic adder
s2 believers 
wild mural
I didn’t have a warrior
mossy fox
we didnt actually outdps ret in s2 on big aoe
frigid zealot
It owned but killing soul was megacringe
mossy fox
but 8 targets ravager is huge right
yeah sure
i just enjoy playstyle a lot with s2 build, thats why i wanted that
wild mural
i just enjoy playstyle a lot with s2 build, thats why i wanted that
Same
fading sky
ah fuck i have NOT missed nokhud
mossy fox
yeah also looking forward to s1 arms
wild mural
LET FLY (blade storm)
mossy fox
nokhud was p fun imo
fading sky
nokhud was p fun imo
hated last boss is all 😉
wild mural
Looking forward to first pull AA S1 arms into leggo press
And die cause a fucking swirl
frigid zealot
And die cause a fucking swirl
mossy fox
Imagine how fury would have been if s1 if it had s2 set
ya true, though classes have definitely power crept since then
tall turret
Nokhud can stay in S1 for me :d
frigid zealot
Fury came into this expansion with such an overpowered basekit
mossy fox
Looking forward to first pull AA S1 arms into leggo press
just all in dathea trinket pbox bladestorm leggo
frigid zealot
And fell from lack of a set gain
wild mural
just all in dathea trinket pbox bladestorm leggo
YES
cosmic adder
I hope we get grieftorch gaming again, speaking of s1 trinkets
cosmic adder
someone dies into 7 people instantly sending the trinket
frigid zealot
Fuck torch
spiral lodge
Guys, about trinkets, do you trust raidbots or bloodmallet? I have the Might of Ocean 483 and Accelerating Sandglass 489. In bloodmallet the Might of Ocean seems to be much better, but raidbots says that my dps improves by 2.9% with the Accelerating Sandglass.
frigid zealot
Can't see it beating brand on st
plucky ice
grieftorch lege combo all dead
frigid zealot
Guys, about trinkets, do you trust raidbots or bloodmallet? I have the Might of ...
Full St it might
Raidbots more trust worthy
pure breach
grizzled wadi
Gavel was a fucking demon
Yep but setup before big pew pew was too slow...
sullen basin
gavel was cringe change my mind
gavel was cringe i agree
limber mason
season 3 win arms and fury specs?
unique frigate
S2 won for fury atleast
limber mason
oh s1 for arms and s2 for fury
unique frigate
I actually never played s2, how was the rotation? No annihilator right?
limber mason
i was seeing old link from wowhead
peak lagoon
I actually never played s2, how was the rotation? No annihilator right?
95%< crit bt > rampage > os > filler
basically
unique frigate
Kinda shame, im really liking this tier set
wild mural
How tf did season 2 fury win over season 3
Cause it’s more fun to play
Fury is so back
unique frigate
But isint just good for m+, im all about raiding, not really into m+
peak lagoon
S2 was probably the strongest start fury had relative to the other classes
grizzled wadi
With S2 back for next season, will our stat weight change once again ?
wild mural
You’re telling me Rashok wasn’t insanely fun
fading sky
i was arms
peak lagoon
S2 fury ST was really good, the timings for neltharion and sarkareth wasnt popping off tho
fading sky
With S2 back for next season, will our stat weight change once again ?
hmm yes i presume so
peak lagoon
since for nelth just getting to P3 at 35% mattered
and sark had turbo funnel classes and 2 minute timers
every boss before had fury pretty high up
early prog rashok had fury like top 3
mossy fox
S2 was probably the strongest start fury had relative to the other classes
we kinda fell off later when other classes kept getting buffed also while fury was left to rot
fading sky
@mossy fox i thought fury scaled 😉 😉 😉 😉
mossy fox
we did get buffed in the end tho, but not really for st
fading sky
true
peak lagoon
its just like how it always is
fading sky
i mean i liked the balance between Arms and fury at least in season 2
peak lagoon
your dmg and how you perform isnt based on your gear
but on how blizzard does the tuning knobs
since fury was top tier at the start of the tier
fading sky
where arms had a niche fury had a niche
unique frigate
So with that tier we just use rb slam etc to get rampages off to get max stacks then bt and start again?
peak lagoon
and then it was 50/50 for either fury or arms on the last 2 bosses depending on what you needed
peak lagoon
since arms dmg profile was good for the last two so it could kinda compete even tho it was undertuned
bitter fable
So with that tier we just use rb slam etc to get rampages off to get max stacks ...
Not even on the bars nope
peak lagoon
i wonder what the robot will say and what base crit% well end up at
fading sky
since arms dmg profile was good for the last two so it could kinda compete even ...
was arms undertuned ?:D
unique frigate
Well that dont sound too bad, just really wish st isint fucked, i really don't care about m+ 😄
wild mural
Well that dont sound too bad, just really wish st isint fucked, i really don't c...
ST isn’t fucked
Our ST was still good
mossy fox
s2 set was above average for ST compared to other classes
wild mural
^
mossy fox
s3 is even higher though, yeah
fading sky
i mean with new ivlsl i hope to god yse ?:D
wild mural
are we going to be able to pump atleast 160k st
We can now easily
bitter fable
are we going to be able to pump atleast 160k st
More even imo
peak lagoon
wild mural
If you’re doing 160k ST now you’re bad
peak lagoon
brother people are simming 240K with leggo and like 220K ish without
limber mason
season 3 was a gain in dps st
fading sky
At like 485 ilvl
nah
wild mural
i wonder if theyare gonna do all DF dungeons for fated
I hope not
mossy fox
fury ST in keys was actually very good in s2, just because fury barely loses ST when speccing aoe
wild mural
dont u think they will just do a small bump in ilvl
It’ll probably be like a new tier of ilvl
Like S4 last time
fading sky
yeye but this tier they gave us a BIGGER bump than usual
wild mural
But maybe only like s1-s2 rather than s2-s3
peak lagoon
@mossy fox i realized we got back to S1 shadowlands, were highest gear drop from M+ was 220 ilvl, raid is 226 (except last 2) so it makes a 6 ilvl difference
and now we slave crests and flightstones for the same 6 ilvl difference
aware
mossy fox
but yeah i didnt really vote s2 for the damage, was just my preferred playstyle by far vs s3
wild mural
So maybe like, 520 leggo or smt
mossy fox
peak lagoon
its litterall the same Ilvl difference
from fcking season 1 SL
but we have to grind anoying flightstones
mossy fox
i like this gearing system tbh
peak lagoon
i mean i enjoy it
but its weird thinking about it
that you had the same relative power lvl
wild mural
I like it i guess
fading sky
i mean they could reduce the flighstone shit or give us easier acces toi it
peak lagoon
from just spamming 15's
fading sky
or just a bigger cap 😄
spiral lodge
Full St it might
ty
wild mural
Increase flightstone drop rate
unique frigate
How long we still have for s4
wild mural
No one knows
peak lagoon
2 or 3
eternal sundial
Gearing system is okay but the next few crafts feel needlessly slow
peak lagoon
i guess
unique frigate
My guild is stuck on council lmao, friggin flowers
bitter fable
How long we still have for s4
If we are to go from last season's duration 14more weeks
mossy fox
MDI finals is 2nd week of March I think
so prolly a few weeks after that at the earliest
bitter fable
^
eternal sundial
Mdi will be so cool
wild mural
May S4 release
eternal sundial
Eb in 3 pulls
wild mural
I feel it
mossy fox
yeah getting too close to great push with that level
peak lagoon
25 feels so low tho
bitter fable
Probably there was a 24 last season if I remember correctly
mossy fox
even though 28 is trivial for them too
mossy fox
but yeah mdi was always more about speedrun
but i think it's nice they upped the keylevels in recent ones
peak lagoon
i think i would feel disapointed if they are doing just 25's
cyan turtle
hows fury feeling atm compared to season 1?
peak lagoon
thatd feel like baby keys
clever path
why does dk set look like this
peak lagoon
why not
clever path
and warrior like this
clever path
cooking bloodthirst
frigid zealot
Real and true
wild mural
and warrior like this
I’m always cooking
fleet sorrel
bitter fable
I mean S1 if memory serves was so poorly designed that many warriors just didn't bother farming the thing
peak lagoon
the thing
very descriptive
S1 set was undertuned at the start
with RA crushing blow being overtuned relative
which meant that crushing blow had prio over rampage over execute
which changed in 10.0.5
where execute was same prio as rampage
depending on who you asked
went from 10.0 0.5% st to like 5% st in 10.0.5
it was numerically one of the weaker sets
relative to the other classes
cyan turtle
let me ask this instead, is the playstyle now similar or the same as it was at the end of season 1, i quit at the start of season 2 so i have no idea how that felt
cyan turtle
oh no
unreal onyx
People dooming anni
peak lagoon
i dont mind it that much in raid, but i despise how current season works in M+
some people love it tho
everyone has their thing
bitter fable
Likewise
unreal onyx
S3 tier is the most fun tier in raid and equally as fun as s2 in m+ imo
bitter fable
Much pref S2 in keys
unreal onyx
S1 m+ was also fun but criminally undertuned
peak lagoon
i just have some major gameplay gripes with current seasons set
BB whirlwind cleave not working with the set
if every mob in the pull is not in range and you either have to hold OF for them to get in range or chainpulling sucking because you dont have aoe outside of OF and 1:30
and currents passive cleave being really really weak
bitter fable
Whirlwind having cd even tho you can't feel it that much still feels wrong
peak lagoon
with just shitty BT's and unempowered rampages
iidm it that much
S2 set was way more chainpull friendly
and i fcking love chainpulling
cyan turtle
rest in piss ,onslaught ravager
unreal onyx
You‘ll propably play it again in s4
bitter fable
Yup with CDs for every pack
unreal onyx
(Hopefully not)
mossy fox
S3 tier is the most fun tier in raid and equally as fun as s2 in m+ imo
i mean like you say it's your opinion - it's subjective, some people like s2 build more and dislike s3, or vice versa
theres a reason this channel had been a warzone for the last week
unreal onyx
Ofc
wild mural
rest in piss ,onslaught ravager
JadedDragna of Stormscale back? 🫡
peak lagoon
also S3 fury being an insanely different feeling with and without windfury
is also kinda uhhh
bitter fable
"Fun " is fully subjective yes
cyan turtle
JadedDragna of Stormscale back? 🫡
yea been thinking about it, the GF is starting again so the itch is coming back haha
unreal onyx
Since I don’t do m+ intensively and rather raid my choice for S3 was obvious
wild mural
yea been thinking about it, the GF is starting again so the itch is coming back ...
Do it
S2 set is come back
Kaching gaming
bitter fable
Yup
unreal onyx
Pretty sure we were still bottom
peak lagoon
and switching from S2 set to S3 set was like a 5-7% increase for most people at the time if you include the Ilvl gain
being at the bottom with either set is not because either set is weak
both S2 and S3 sets were insane numerically
mossy fox
set's not realllly to blame if set is an above average gain compared to other classes
unreal onyx
And with every class supposedly getting their best set, I doubt it will look much different
peak lagoon
with or without either set
its gonna depend on how blizzard tunes
because warrior is down bad this tier
warm pond
Most got a good set. Some got trolled.
peak lagoon
relative to the first two tiers
unreal onyx
because warrior is down bad this tier
What??
peak lagoon
i dont know what world you are living in, but warrior is bottom feeding pretty hard on most bosses in mythic
except for fyrak
wild mural
and they’ll tune the numbers surely
peak lagoon
where its middle
modest condor
unique frigate
Has fury ever been 1#? 😄
modest condor
not the same logs ive looked at
woeful birch
sets are generally a pain in the ass when they force you into specing specific talents and cut off other talents. blizz devs are just garbage. thats all
peak lagoon
on fyrak it has a strong place because timings are pretty good
unreal onyx
i dont know what world you are living in, but warrior is bottom feeding pretty h...
I think you are looking wrong
unreal onyx
Best indicator is probably volcoross
peak lagoon
unreal onyx
In which fury is top 5 iirc
wild mural
Fury on top
peak lagoon
how short is volcaros atm
wild mural
And with S2 coming back it’s gonna be even better
peak lagoon
isnt it like sub 3 minutes now almost
wild mural
Like 3 mins
bitter fable
Best indicator is probably volcoross
How come
unreal onyx
ST no cleave fight
unique frigate
Are we talking mythic or heroic volco?
peak lagoon
its like perfect cd timings for the bursty asf class with 1/3rd of your cds in execute
and 2 minute classes get fucked
bitter fable
^
peak lagoon
same for 3
wild mural
unreal onyx
Comparing a ST fight gives a much more accurate look at DPS rankings compared to pad fights in which uncapped classes obviously have an advantage
peak lagoon
thing is
clever belfry
Not a flex, but sharing a moment of happiness
where dmg in this key
clever belfry
Comparing a ST fight gives a much more accurate look at DPS rankings compared to...
U were just told why volc isnt a fair fight
Nymue is fairer frfr
peak lagoon
its not like its rygelon
wild mural
Not a flex, but sharing a moment of happiness
Fotm players are ass
clever path
where dmg in this key
The key is 17 (8x17 runs)
but pala is geared just the same as me
485
clever belfry
nahh not the weekly box boost run
bitter fable
Comparing a ST fight gives a much more accurate look at DPS rankings compared to...
So we get 2 cd rotation
Whale 2 min specs get half that
cyan turtle
eeh might give it a go again, seems like the rotation is abit sleeper this time but it might be aight,
peak lagoon
@clever belfry nymue is weird tho
since some people send on adds and some people hold
clever path
Fotm players are ass
L0AWL
unreal onyx
Nymue fury is top-mid pack
peak lagoon
if you look at overall fury is pretty high but if you look at boss damdo it goes down relativly quick
in overall logs
dude arms
hoooly fuck
unreal onyx
Fury is 7th on smoldy
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> nymue is weird tho
Yes it's also cringe due to some timings not allowing specs to press on cd
both fights aint good comparisons but i think nymue might be better by now
clever belfry
Fury is 7th on smoldy
Ah yes.
peak lagoon
idk im just saying with warrior being mid at best in most bosses and it arguably being pretty fcking good on only fyrak
is not warrior looking good
peak lagoon
aug existing and rogues + DH's being insane
same with hunter
just fucks warrior placement pretty hard
unreal onyx
Smolderon a fight where fury has perfect lineup
Only fury has „perfect“ lineup?
peak lagoon
i barely got in on tindral prog as 2nd warrior
and thats only because we didnt have a 3rd rogue player
clever belfry
Only fury has „perfect“ lineup?
3mins, arcane and fury
so none of the actual top performers really
peak lagoon
im just saying
wild mural
All I know is fury is so back
peak lagoon
warrior is agressivly mid this tier relative to other specs
wild mural
Fury is 7th on smoldy
I was topping the meters on smoldy
peak lagoon
which isnt a terrible spot
but not amazing either
arms tho
buff arms
for the love of god
clever belfry
arms is where it belongs frfr
peak lagoon
squishier, less dmg
peak lagoon
only fight where it kinda outperforms fury is fyrak since half the fight is execute
but then its squishier again
cyan turtle
@wild mural so u like the season 3 set?
peak lagoon
and you only really play arms if you have 2 warriors on fyrak
and then you are playing 2 warriors
wild mural
<@444952606565990410> so u like the season 3 set?
It’s alright I just had way more fun playing S3
clever belfry
2 warrs isn't worst fate on fyrakk
peak lagoon
it isnt the worst
unreal onyx
Arms tops fury by 15k dps in 95th percentile on council
peak lagoon
but defo suboptimal
wild mural
I also parsed a 0 on Smoldy
peak lagoon
bro council is such a fcked fight depending on how cleave works in your comp
if you can cleave non stop as arms
you do giga dmg
unreal onyx
Ik
clever belfry
Arms tops fury by 15k dps in 95th percentile on council
you would hope that yes.
bitter fable
Arms tops fury by 15k dps in 95th percentile on council
Of course that's bassicly a arms fight
unreal onyx
You just said that arms is only better on fyrakk
clever belfry
Imo it should be more than 15
peak lagoon
tbf i dont really consider meme bosses
bitter fable
Sweeping strikes go brrr
peak lagoon
like council
clever belfry
but like 4 people who aren't dogs play arms rn so
Council is a meme boss
Cause it is actually rng where they jump
peak lagoon
anyways i wouldve loved to play arms on fyrak
wild mural
You get good RNG or you don’t
unreal onyx
I heroic throw on 3rd boss on council to apply my lego dot on the boss that’s out of range 
peak lagoon
but idk what class i even got benched for
fading sky
Yenny imma
bitter fable
And who gets ducked
peak lagoon
meh i was in wft even when playing arms
over a DH
since yes numerically its a lesser gain overall
but its bigger in execute
which mattered for like larodar
idk warrior mid
please buff
or nerf to overperforming ones
doing keys with people that have hands
that are playing DH hunter or rogue
clever belfry
balance the fucking game challenge
peak lagoon
is not fun
clever belfry
that are playing DH hunter or rogue
or mage
or boomi
or warlock
fading sky
ye Yenny warrior feels fine until u hit the like upper 10% percentile of those specs
peak lagoon
idm those too much actually
wild mural
I heroic throw on 3rd boss on council to apply my lego dot on the boss that’s ou...
I perma bench council
bitter fable
They already nerfed hunters and Dh that changed nothing....
wild mural
Got a 99 on that boss screw doing it again
clever belfry
idm those too much actually
then u haven't played real keys
peak lagoon
there are even fcking shadowpriest enjoyers
unreal onyx
As if you need a brain to play fury
fading sky
warlock is also totally INsane
peak lagoon
nah i got pooped on by our warlock player
clever belfry
warlock and mage are ass outside higher keys
warm pond
29 different DPS specs, being in the top 1/4 of them not good enough
peak lagoon
demo is fcking insane in keys
clever belfry
same with boomi really
clever belfry
29 different DPS specs, being in the top 1/4 of them not good enough
Not the point
peak lagoon
wild mural
29 different DPS specs, being in the top 1/4 of them not good enough
There’s not 39
unreal onyx
Boomie are dogwater in keys below 25 or so
wild mural
29*
unreal onyx
At least the ones I played with
wild mural
Or is there
clever belfry
Even if you're say #5/20
but #1 is 30% ahead of you
game is dogshit balance
wild mural
I don’t even know how many classes are in the game
clever belfry
and needs to be fixed
warm pond
Or is there
Sadly there is
peak lagoon
the higher specs relative to the lower specs rn
wild mural
Wtf
peak lagoon
is super far from fine
clever belfry
But this tier they've really just not done a good job on it
wild mural
I remember when there was 9 classes
unreal onyx
Fix of other classes doesn’t need to mean a buff of yours then
wild mural
And we were happy
fading sky
yeah i mean they are so afraid to nerf classes this tier
fading sky
10.1 u mean ?
wild mural
It wasn't augs fault
clever belfry
ofc main character class mage and pally get hyper buffed
fading sky
but pally was reined in SUPER fast
bitter fable
Yh there was more diverse comps for sure
fading sky
like if they had done the same to Rogue and dh this tier
warm pond
I mean it doesn’t help the Aug Dev made the spec and then quit.
fading sky
it would be fino
clever belfry
but pally was reined in SUPER fast
holy? no
fading sky
well ret was
clever belfry
holy was the best defensive, offensive and throughput healer through all of 10.1.5
unreal onyx
I liked how they just said that they will not do anything to the busted warlocks and hunters in sl s4
fading sky
holy was the best defensive, offensive and throughput healer through all of 10.1...
true true
peak lagoon
it is what it is
clever belfry
I mean it doesn’t help the Aug Dev made the spec and then quit.
Me when log attribution doesn't get fixed
peak lagoon
atleast itll be a for fun season
fading sky
i mean i dont give a FUCK about season 4
clever belfry
U guys live in bliss not knowing how bugged it still is trust me
fading sky
its going to be pure meme fun
peak lagoon
wachu mean
fading sky
@clever belfry we all know the logs lie 😄
unreal onyx
Meme seasons are the worst
peak lagoon
clearly aug is bottom tier like logs say instead of being omega busted top dps
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> we all know the logs lie 😄
u dont understand
peak lagoon
peak lagoon
aug is probably number one or close to number one dps spec in the game in raid
clever belfry
too many targets? broken logs
clever belfry
shield exists? broken log
fading sky
i mean season 4 is going to be super short, and we just get to relaxe
clever belfry
aug is probably number one or close to number one dps spec in the game in raid
a well played aug
bitter fable
Meme seasons are the worst
dare I say corruption season was fun for me
clever belfry
on fyrakk
fading sky
and get a breather before next expansion
clever belfry
is like 15% ahead of any other spec
wild mural
<@173741974493462528> we all know the logs lie 😄
Yeah my logs say I got a 0 on Smolderon
LIES
clever belfry
aug is by far the best spec in raid
clever belfry
nono anda currently its the worst
real
peak lagoon
since it just amplifies eachother
fading sky
only just beating arms
unreal onyx
Yeah my logs say I got a 0 on Smolderon
I hope you got PId and aug‘d
fading sky
😉
clever belfry
logs don't lie clueless
wild mural
I hope you got PId and aug‘d
I’m thought we were friends
peak lagoon
imagine making a spec that scales multiplicativly with broken top tier performing specs
icant
fading sky
Nono Yenny
peak lagoon
how the fck can they ever balance that
warm pond
Well they need to get a new dev for them first, then balance second
clever belfry
imagine making a spec that scales multiplicativly with broken top tier performin...
It scales additively with other specs
but mult with itself
please stop lying k
peak lagoon
wild mural
It scales additively with other specs
but mult with itself
please stop lying k
Wat
What does that mean
fading sky
atm in M+ u seem to loose some speed with aug
warm pond
I would imagine that Aug will see some overhauls in the future. Nothing stays on top forever
fading sky
in raid ... u can always buff some1 with cds 😄
i mean who cares if they are very good in raid ngl. as long as u cant bring to many
idm if 2 are mandatory tbh
unreal onyx
I would imagine that Aug will see some overhauls in the future. Nothing stays on...
I would guess with aug you are either on top or at the bottom
wild mural
I would imagine that Aug will see some overhauls in the future. Nothing stays on...
It’s not too late to remove it
peak lagoon
i wish theyd delete the class if they cant fix how its always going to be broken with overperforming specs
fading sky
i do care that logs are fuckin broken so we have no clue by how MUCH !
and that augs have a hard time seeing how much better GOOD augs are in raid and BAD augs
warm pond
Aug should have been a tanking spec, but alas.
unreal onyx
Just don’t log
peak lagoon
i mean the thing is, the common aug specced classes are slightly overperforming on logs since it doesnt properly atribute dps to the aug
clever belfry
What does that mean
When u buff a guy for 20%
And another aug also buffs them for 20%
u essentially end up with
1.2*1.2 = 1.44 = 44%
that's multiplicative
A single aug buff just being 20% is additive tho BECAUSE you don't double dip
peak lagoon
so the playerbase doesnt know fully how broken everything is
fading sky
i mean its more about performance right, i wanna be able to measure them
wild mural
When u buff a guy for 20%
And another aug also buffs them for 20%
u essentially ...
I see
clever belfry
i mean the thing is, the common aug specced classes are slightly overperforming ...
dh on fyrakk
Soulscar and ragefire dont attribute at all yep
peak lagoon
if it was additive tho @clever belfry , that would mean buffing any class would give them the same dps as buffing another class
which isnt the case
🤓
the buff is a flat%
but how it works is not a flat dmg boost per say
idk how to properly explain it but i guess you know what i mean
english hard
clever belfry
if it was additive tho <@173741974493462528> , that would mean buffing any class...
No, an additive buff can be % wise of the thing youre buffing but it doesn't scale with other mult buffs
which it isn't supposed to
On smolder, commonly buffed specs overperform up to 20k (sub rogue being biggest outlier here)
peak lagoon
i mean more in the sense, buffing an overperforming spec is gonna give you more dps than buffing a lower performing spec
even tho you give them the same additive bonus
so idk how you would name that
clever belfry
A flat buff
peak lagoon
🤪
clever belfry
which is what aug should be
if they dont want it to be broken in the hands of human players
clever belfry
Infernos blessing
peak lagoon
that was busted early on with reworked fire mages
clever belfry
Nahh not fate mirror
fading sky
what if u couldnt stack aug buffs ?
clever belfry
what if u couldnt stack aug buffs ?
still broken
fading sky
like how hard can it be that its just 1 buff per player
peak lagoon
but yeah only way to really fix it is just flat dmg procs from the evoker that only scale from the evoker stats itself
fading sky
but that would also be booring no ?=
peak lagoon
but then you are just playing a normal dps with roundabouts
clever belfry
but yeah only way to really fix it is just flat dmg procs from the evoker that o...
or make it buff the whole raid, always
Correct
peak lagoon
which means the current design philosphy is always going to cause fcking issues
its so joever
clever belfry
Making it buff the whole raid would reduce the amount of swings it has from good to bad players
oblique trail
:anda
peak lagoon
how do you do that without it making it braindead tho
clever belfry
and the gap is like grand canyon width blud
warm pond
Bard from 14 would have been a good addition, but that’s a lot of contributing DPS
peak lagoon
since buff timings and stuff is skill expression right
clever belfry
since buff timings and stuff is skill expression right
Honestly
without automation and hours of preplannjng
this shit is too hard
clever belfry
Playing aug close to optimal is by far hardest thing ive ever progged with
paper ivy
is warrior buffed?
paper ivy
so why am i dps one?
peak lagoon
other people you are playing with are worse
clever belfry
cause u play with dogs
peak lagoon
baseg
paper ivy
true
wild mural
other people you are playing with are worse
Real
clever belfry
urgh i still have to finish weeklies on augmentator