fury

[stuck bison]

na

[modest condor]

s1 you just play what's tuned higher, s2 you're hard pushed to AM rav, s3 you're hard pushed to RA anni

[eternal sundial]

onslsought

[flat river]

LETS GOOOO

[young swan]

are u dumb

[eternal sundial]

S2 with ra will be a thing trust

[oblique trail]

Don't fall for it Xan

[flat river]

Who's winning overall rn

[oblique trail]

It's such horrible bait

[eternal sundial]

Aug

[modest condor]

no it's not, the tierset literally wants you to press rampage as much as possible which is not how you play RA

[flat river]

Huh

I meant which season

XD

[celest sierra]

when u dont have a backing argument u result to this lmao

[eternal sundial]

Cb >ramp loop in reck

[modest condor]

also like 40% reck uptime vs 90% reck uptime

[flat river]

Real

[oblique trail]

yes it is Xan just look at the different builds u can take lmao in season 3 ur stuck with Annihilator etc with Season 2 u can spread out , onslsought , ravenger, spear, roar even, odyns fury still in there lol

[eternal sundial]

yes it is Xan just look at the different builds u can take lmao in season 3 ur stuck with Annihilator etc with Season 2 u can spread out , onslsought , ravenger, spear, roar even, odyns fury still in there lol

[oblique trail]

All of this which you mentioned, OF you never used, Spear and Roar you still use in S3, Ravager and Onslaught is what's missing from S2

Ergo

You're literally just baiting and trolling

You're making it sound like because you have more buttons it's more build diversity

[deft geyser]

None of these two builds offer much flexibility choice in the spec tree anyway, even if one or the other is ahead by a notch the difference is insignificant

[oblique trail]

But you're swapping between Exe and WW talents, and Roar or Spear

[celest sierra]

least im not locked into Annihlator with season 2

[oblique trail]

At most

[deft geyser]

what matters is that with S3 you are "allowed" to take more utility

at the cost of no dps loss

[modest condor]

s2 and s3 lose around the same dps to take utility

[humble plover]

Honestly just remove warrior. We're Hunter mains now boys

[flat river]

Guys which season is winning overall rn

[deft geyser]

its opposite sides of the same coin

[flat river]

No shut up

[deft geyser]

Season 2

[limber locust]

season 2 for now

[flat river]

LETS GOOOOO

[deft geyser]

its taken over heavily in the last 24 hours

[humble plover]

[celest sierra]

Season 2 is winning for NA?

[modest condor]

uproar might be a slightly smaller loss for s3 build, but there's also crushing force you give up, and combined they add up to about the same

[flat river]

Lets hope it stays the same

[celest sierra]

for tmog or tier set?

[deft geyser]

tierset

[young swan]

i wouldnt necessarily say thats true, s3 you can play an AM/rav build to do giga aoe and do shit boss dam just like in s2! the reverse is not true

[clever path]

Last I checked season 3 was winning heavily and that was yesterday?

[celest sierra]

what how? i just looked it says S3 is at 51% and S2 is at 38%

[modest condor]

s3 with am rav is nowhere close to s2 with am rav

[young swan]

no

[barren stone]

to be fair is very close with both having the same % in both NA and EU

[deft geyser]

The reverse is not true due to the fact that that AM rav was already the highest ST build anyway all around

[young swan]

yes and it was dogshit!

glad we cleared that up

[deft geyser]

what

[clever path]

Yeah s2 single target was horrible

[tropic atlas]

EU saving fated season

[clever path]

I don’t wanna go back to only being good for sole fights instead of decent at all fights

[flat river]

Real

[deft geyser]

It was horrible due to the fact it was heavily overlooked in the tuning as arms took over in tuning

[clever path]

EU got brain rot kek

[deft geyser]

thats for raid at least, in m+ it wasnt anything near "horrible"

[clever path]

Jokes aside

[flat river]

Fury warrior S2 tier set lovers say real

[clever path]

M plus is never what I base thoughts on as it changes heavily based on dungeons

[deft geyser]

Not really

I mean we're talking about st

[clever path]

i think in a perfect world

I’m talking overall tier usage

if AM dropped CD for odyns fury

[deft geyser]

and the build as an all around for almost basically every dungeon

[clever path]

then itd be like this

S2 felt way worse overall

[flat river]

Playing ravager+AM is MUCH more fun

[clever path]

world if AM dropped OF cd

[flat river]

Recklessness uptime is pog

[deft geyser]

Over the course of the tier yes because fury was literally left behind while everything else was tuned accordingly

[tropic atlas]

s2 felt really good in m+

[upbeat plume]

To you

[autumn mica]

Season 1 BIS !

Jk

[barren stone]

S2 felt bad if you didnt have a lot of haste

[clever path]

Season 2 for me because i play mythic +

[deft geyser]

not to mention aug implementation

[flat river]

Real but it's losing

[flat river]

Real

[oblique trail]

I'm still confused why people are so focused on S2 and mostly forget about S1

[flat river]

Judge gets it

[oblique trail]

When both eventually played the same build

[deft geyser]

But starting off the tier, fury was amongst of one the strongest melee dps, if not classes

[flat river]

I loved season 1

[celest sierra]

cause season 1 was just execute and unless they buff execute its meh

[oblique trail]

And the S2 tier wasn't super spectacular at all, both in terms of performance or playstyle

[flat river]

But season 2 builds same thing

[upbeat plume]

Cause we don't trust blizzard to tune something that was the worst performing set in the game across all classes

[oblique trail]

Yes and they're going to tune up sets

[autumn mica]

Season 1 was fun, but blizzard won't tune correctly as we know already

[flat river]

And its winning

[open prairie]

benzai nitro expired

[past pivot]

I was playing voker for S1. What's the key diff? Or is there between 1 and 2?

[oblique trail]

I have not had nitro for a while

[deft geyser]

People dont trust blizz to tune s1 set accordingly

[flat river]

I just hope season 3 doesn't win

ANYTHING but season 3

[barren stone]

true and real

[oblique trail]

We don't even know how they'll go about tuning so

It's literally just vote for playstyle

Not tuning

[flat river]

Litterally give us tier set from BFA or shadowlands and I'd be happier

[oblique trail]

If you wanted AM it doesn't matter if you vote S1 or S2

[deft geyser]

you said comparing s1 to s2

[clever path]

bfa had tierset?

[flat river]

Season 3 tier sucks ass

[autumn mica]

seeing blizzard for the past 15 years. you can expect very precise tuning like you've never seen before ! (Sarcastic)

[clever path]

Inb4 we get season 2 and it’s worse than season 2 was

didnt know

[deft geyser]

which had same playstyle

[young swan]

cant wait for people to realize they could just tune up s3 by making it cleave and suddenly its the best spec for m+ and raiding

[stuck bison]

yeah what are they gonna do ? increase crit chance to %100 ?that woudnt change anything

[open prairie]

i could have sworn you had a server about me

[flat river]

Oh right

I forgor

[open prairie]

2 weeks ago

[clever path]

This

[oblique trail]

Yes and I also said people are so hyper focused on S2 when S1 was the same talents

[deft geyser]

yeah which why i brought tuning up

[barren stone]

this would break the fucking spec ngl

[past pivot]

I don't care what they bring back as long as htey never bring back the Sylvannas fight as it was

[deft geyser]

which is an explanation why people prefer s2 over s1

[oblique trail]

But again

Voting based on tuning is just silly?

[young swan]

bet u it wouldnt

[deft geyser]

people do that no matter

[upbeat plume]

Oh i agree with you if we could trust blizzards tuning I'd love season 1 over season 2 and 3 but I can't trust blizzard lol

[deft geyser]

look at guardian druid, aug, mage

every exodia spec

[modest condor]

just like how they can tune up s2 by making it do more st

[autumn mica]

That's the problem, people don't trust blizzard, that's all

[modest condor]

but at least s2 is a more fun playstyle because you have permanent reck

[flat river]

Real but will never happen

[autumn mica]

else way more would vote S1

[flat river]

Real

[barren stone]

cleaving 400k hits on 5 targets? every like 26sec?

[celest sierra]

for season1 to work they need to buff execute

[upbeat plume]

Yeah the main issue is trust in blizzard for any of these sets and questions lol

[barren stone]

this would break the spec

[celest sierra]

buff us duriong execute phase

[flat river]

Real

[stuck bison]

big agree. s1 needs rework not tuning but s3 and s2 tunable

[flat river]

Give us Juggernaut

Not ashen

[deft geyser]

you cannot tune season 1 tierset

you have to rework it

[flat river]

Real Juggernaut

[rocky wharf]

whats up with allied wrist parsing more than the wowhead recommendation crafted gear, double shadowflame?

[oblique trail]

Because Allied are better allrounders

Double Shadowflame is pure ST

[stuck bison]

alied isnt too behind of 1 shadowflame and vers works on multitarget too

[clever path]

If i have no tier bonuses which builds should i Icyveins or wowhead?

[oblique trail]

Both are the same

But if you have no tier, use the season 2/t30 talents

[young swan]

i dont find it fun to have my cooldowns not be cooldowns

[deft geyser]

Thats the case even now

[flat river]

real

[deft geyser]

fury cds are pathetic

[young swan]

no its not?

[flat river]

not real

[young swan]

we have some of the highest burst in the game

[tender seal]

no, they are just 1.5min cds

[flat river]

yes, why not make it every 10 seconds

[rocky wharf]

kk. guess if i have enough crests to craft, i should switch to craft allied 486 for multi target fights? im double shadowflame atm

[celest sierra]

wait so u rather wait on cds then being full send almost 100% of the time?

[olive wraith]

x3 every 20 seconds

[young swan]

theres a middle ground i would prefer but generally yeah

[olive wraith]

burst timings is more engaging imo

[deft geyser]

maybe im judging my opinion too biased on m+, but our burst is not potent enough to warrant how quickly it drops off

[young swan]

also you dont have full-go every 30s u have full go every 1.5m just like now

[celest sierra]

no offense but now ur trolling... who would wanna sit wiating on cds when u could be full sending whole time

[barren stone]

im not even going to argue with you about that its busted and if you dont see that there is no need arguing about it

[young swan]

someone who likes optimizing cd windows

[tender seal]

If you are full sending the whole time, then you are not full-sending at any point. You will just be doing mediocre damage all the time and have 0 opportunity to take advantage of vulnerability phases etc.

[pliant lantern]

Having impactfull cooldowns on a timer is a lot more enguaging to play around and min/max then cooldowns you always have up and don't really make a noticable difference

[olive wraith]

I didn’t say it wasn’t busted lol. I was just expanding on your comment

[celest sierra]

know the fights, know the m+ route and u can still optimize when u to go full full. Only difference is with S3 u really gotta calculate when with S2 u can just Fury warrior away lol

[oblique trail]

What you mentioned earlier about build diversity is trolling because there is nearly no diversity at all for either S2 or S3, wanting different CD uptime and usage is very valid by comparison

[barren stone]

fair point, might have overreacted.

[deft geyser]

Thats not true, you still have your "main" cd which is avatar to deal a biggest burst of condensed damage

and you are able to match up your reduced cd to match those phases as well

[celest sierra]

wrong, because with S3 u are literally stuck with Annihilator.. with Season 2 ur not stuck with anything

[oblique trail]

You are if you care about your damage lmao

[young swan]

you have avatar for every burst with AM, your real cd is roar

[oblique trail]

You aren't stuck with Annihilator either in S3 if you want to be suboptimal

[flat river]

no?

[celest sierra]

the tier literally doesnt work with out Annihilator lol what ar eu talkikng about

[young swan]

yes? or are we just forgetting zerkers torment

[flat river]

cd is avatar and spear/roar

[oblique trail]

It does?

[deft geyser]

Well also depends what OP meant, meaning as in scenario, did he meant sending roar on cd as per usual or if he meant using 90 sec roar

[oblique trail]

It's just not as good

[modest condor]

your real cd with AM is ravager

[deft geyser]

to allign with cds

[celest sierra]

Honestly tho they wanna fix S3 tier... change one word in it. Change BT to RB

[flat river]

that doesn't count

[young swan]

ofc it does

[flat river]

nuh uh

[olive wraith]

How would that fix it

[young swan]

you avatar buff on ur guy

how would it NOT count

[flat river]

nuh uh

[celest sierra]

makes us not forced into Annihlator

u can diverse out

[olive wraith]

We aren’t forced into it

[flat river]

we are

[celest sierra]

yes u are lmao

[olive wraith]

It just happens to be the best tree

You’re forced into of

[flat river]

💀

[olive wraith]

Not anni

[deft geyser]

Well, every cd dps warrior has available is not a true cd anyway, they're just mediocre strength bunch of cds you have to throw in together to deal damage

[celest sierra]

ur literally worthless without annihlator rn

[modest condor]

by taht logic you're also not forced into AM in s2

[brazen cloud]

guys just play a worse build if you hate annihilator

[olive wraith]

Ya you aren’t

[young swan]

not even close actually

[flat river]

just play worse build with season 2 tier if u hate annighalator

[young swan]

there was 0 use case for annihilator in s2

[modest condor]

you're also not forced into taking rampage

[young swan]

there is a use case for am this tier

[deft geyser]

Well, as far as anything is concerned you can play whatever the fuck you want, but you will have to deal with dealing less damage

[celest sierra]

show me a solid build this tier with season3 that can compete without being forced into Annihilator.. i'll wait

[flat river]

it's not even about odyns or ravager at this point

[deft geyser]

What people are really concerned about is having a playstyle and damage profile they like while also being able to play the build that allows them to deal the most amount of damage

[flat river]

i want

raging blow back

:(

[oblique trail]

But you're missing the point we're making

Entirely

[clever belfry]

just burn down both warrior dps specs

and literally start from 0

[celest sierra]

enlighten me homie then

[young swan]

its not really about competition, its about there being another build withba viable use case

[oblique trail]

I've tried to tell you?

[flat river]

always will be worse

lmao

[young swan]

you're never going to have 1-1 competition between 2 builds for all content

[young swan]

except for on all aoe content

[flat river]

nope

worse

[stuck bison]

best solution 😄

[young swan]

yep

[modest condor]

?????

[deft geyser]

bruh

[oblique trail]

You can choose not to go Annihilator but it'll be shit ST. You can also choose not to go AM with the S2 build but it'll also be shit. If you want to not be shit you'll use the same exact build with extremely minimal build diversity regardles of using S2 or S3 build

The only thing you change in both S2 and S3 is Execute -> WW talents or vice versa, and Roar -> Spear

[flat river]

season 1 was the build you could play with the most

[young swan]

no it wasnt lmao

[flat river]

yes

always take execute talents

everything else is optional

[celest sierra]

for season 1 to be viable they need to buff our execute problem solved

[tropic atlas]

blizzard starting civil wars

[young swan]

except am, rav, onslaught yeah

[flat river]

we played odyns first half of season 1

[young swan]

and then am got buffed

and u never played it again

[flat river]

still can play odyns

[stuck bison]

it is nothing to do with roar spear. difference is almost same s2 and s3. and s3 also benefits spear more.

[olive wraith]

And you can play without anni now by that logic

[oblique trail]

What are you talking about

I'm talking about build diversity

[young swan]

but u literally CAN play without anni

[celest sierra]

i repeat, show me a S3 build that can compete without Annih

[fringe flame]

holy shit, you actually can switch forum characters and vote again.

[oblique trail]

You literally swap between the same talents in both ST to AoE in both S2 and S3

[stuck bison]

ahh yeah sorry misunderstood

[celest sierra]

im boutta fill up every server with 50 toons and vote lmao season 2

[olive wraith]

Have fun

[fringe flame]

character cap is 60 for an account

[celest sierra]

well then inc 60 votes for season 2

[stuck bison]

i respect everyones opinion. i ll accept whatever comes out. i voted for the playstyle i liked most and i advice everyone to do that. dont stick with numbers it ll be tuned.it is fated season. no need to hard feelings. have a nice one all o/

[olive wraith]

I don’t think either season is awful. I just think voting for the best performing season makes the most sense

[flat river]

i think voting for the most fun makes sense

[fringe flame]

voting for the "best performing seasons" makes the least sense.

[unreal onyx]

no, since they will tune any season

[olive wraith]

“Tune”

[fringe flame]

Vote for the playstyle you like.

[deft geyser]

Performance is irrelevant, if you're concerned about numbers vote for the best damage profile

for the content you complete

[olive wraith]

Cause we were tuned so well all expac

[deft geyser]

because tuning will be tone, but the damage profile will be applicable anyway

[glad plover]

Season 2, and Season 3 have massive difference, mainly the fact that Season 2 build plays around reworked, and refined parts of of our talent tree(AM, Onslaught, and Ravager) while Season 3 plays around reskin of a whirlwind that is Odyns Fury. Annihilator and Odyns Fury are interesting ideas, but were clearly afterthought when talents were made.

[fringe flame]

me personally, I prefer the spec with less button bloat and less RSI, so 60 votes to s3 🙂

[olive wraith]

We have same amount of buttons though lol

[stuck bison]

and almost same cpm KEKW

[olive wraith]

Maybe even more since we don’t macro rav/rek

[deft geyser]

Both variants of the playstyle have the same buttons and cpm

you just press diff buttons in diff combination

xd

[tidal kindle]

Tbf for most of the expac that I played

We were tuned fine, standalone

There were just the usual suspect amount of hilariously overtuned classes

[clever belfry]

that is not what tuning is about tho 👁️

[tidal kindle]

[fringe flame]

they might have the same APM and same amount of buttons, but the frequency in which you press different buttons is higher with s2.

[deft geyser]

Dps warrior was tuned middle of the pack for most the tiers

[wanton thorn]

Less cpm in s3 due to lower haste

[clever belfry]

if we are super far behind the outliers we are not tuned fine

[deft geyser]

with arms having some rises in sod

[clever belfry]

cause anything that isnt them is just not fine

[olive wraith]

I don’t think so champ lol

S2 you pressed rb and ramp

S3 you press ramp bb

[deft geyser]

that makes very little sense, considering we're not even prioritizing haste all that much

[wanton thorn]

I have 40% haste in s2 and 23% haste in s3.

[glad plover]

I average 200 less CPM now compared to Season 2. Season 2 gameplay was much faster because we were actually going much more haste.

[young swan]

the difference is like 3 apm

[deft geyser]

yeah

[young swan]

it counts hns and rampage multiple times, ur not a starcraft pro

[olive wraith]

200 cpm?

Lmao

[clever belfry]

200 CPM FRFRFR

[tidal kindle]

If your frame if reference is the outliers, sure - agree

If your frame of ref is the median / avg, not so much

Bigger contention point would be why are there always 3-4 hilariously overtuned specs every patch

[clever belfry]

in a game that has capped gcd at .75s

[tidal kindle]

[fringe flame]

How often do you press buttons other than RB and Ramp (and how many different buttons do you press) vs how often do you press buttons other than Ramp and BB (and how many other buttons)?

[clever belfry]

and 60 / 0.75 = 80

on a class without rotational OGCD buttons

[clever belfry]

cause theyre clowns

[tidal kindle]

Okay I know the immedi answer

[deft geyser]

in season 2 you had rb, rampage, onslaught, bt once every x globals and cds. this season you have rampage bb ww slam of every so often and cds

[tidal kindle]

How are they this clown though

[deft geyser]

literally nothing changed in terms of button bloat

[sick viper]

rb spam enjoyers

[unreal onyx]

hc log farming

[tidal kindle]

Fury 10.0.5 playstyle was bis AMA

[clever belfry]

bad analytics, not actually the goal to have balance
🤷‍♂️

[tidal kindle]

(I will not answer)

[unreal onyx]

S3 is bis

case closed

[clever belfry]

L

L

L

L

[clever path]

boys

you are arguing

[dawn pivot]

what are these seasons?

[clever path]

but

you shouldnt

why do we fight?

Next expansion

[jovial coral]

Pop off queen

[clever path]

warrior S tier

[fringe flame]

You didn't press WW in m+ in season 2?

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[stuck bison]

war within surely warriors tier

[sick viper]

bring back WoD fury

[clever belfry]

stop posting gifs
i will report u

[deft geyser]

was talking about st rotation, but in m+ yeah once every 4 globals

[tropic atlas]

srry warrior was to good in vanilla, maybe sometime during the next 10 years

[unreal onyx]

warr within

[tidal kindle]

Report this 🩳 🖐️

[clever path]

[fringe flame]

The entire s2 vs s3 argument hinges on m+ performance. No one cares about single target

[tidal kindle]

@clever belfry

[deft geyser]

?????

[clever belfry]

?

i dont get it

[tidal kindle]

:pants: :grab:

....

[young swan]

dude

[stuck bison]

single target mentioned alot too. maybe you didnt read

[glad plover]

Last season on Algamation I did 730 casts at least that is what logs show.

[past pivot]

ST shouldn't be mentioned imo. Fated raids will be lol-fests

[deft geyser]

Thats hardly fair

anything can be lol fest depending on the level you play

[tidal kindle]

Yeah but s3 tier doesnt even do anything when you ww cleave

[young swan]

the first 6 mythic bosses are a lol fest

[tidal kindle]

So why is that part of discussion

For m+

[pliant lantern]

Logs are not accurate, they count every hit of rampage as a seperate cast as well as every time RB refunds a charge

[celest sierra]

just watched the video Maxx did about the tier voting etc. lmao they barely mentioned S3.. S2 best choice unless blizz confirms to buff S1 then S1 would be the best

[tidal kindle]

Link

[deft geyser]

There are people who play 20s and struggle, but for others i can be a "lol fest"

so all things considered ST obviously matters for the tierset xd

i think it goes without saying

[glad plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nzFhprfmTyCtJBwD#fight=8&type=casts

[tidal kindle]

Explain this one bud

10casts in 1.5 seconds!

[stuck bison]

giga fast fingers

xD

[tropic atlas]

bro is a spider

[tidal kindle]

Someone check pc

.75s gcd?

10 casts instead of 2... thats not normally

[modest condor]

ok so 732
take off 138 from hns
take off 24 from wrath and fury
take off 2/3*375 from rampage

you're left with 320 casts

[glad plover]

You do not have to be rude tho

Tnx for explanation

[modest condor]

so you had just over 70 cpm in that pull

[tidal kindle]

Check pc is a commonly thrown around bit, not intended to be rude - my b if it came off that way

[deft geyser]

its a meme from like 2019

[unreal onyx]

can the leggo on-use be parried?

[young swan]

dont think so

[glad plover]

So what you are saying, is that this season I do more CPM ? There is no way, I can feel it in my hands, basically they do not hurt

[flat river]

imagine pulling off your legendary move just so the person u used it on can be like

[unreal onyx]

I mean

might be possible

that's why im asking

[tropic atlas]

maybe you are spamming more while buttons are on gcd or diff binds

[modest condor]

no you don't, you probably have something like 5-10% less haste so your cpm will be lower

[tidal kindle]

No tenderize

🪦

[ebon junco]

🥱

[tidal kindle]

Bro tenderize in it's s2 state was so unhealthy imo

[peak lagoon]

in what sense

that it had really high prio

or something else

[tidal kindle]

It did everything

[peak lagoon]

i guess

i want the for fun season 1 set

[deft geyser]

If you think of it as unhealthy, what would you qualify as healthy

[eternal sundial]

same

[eternal sundial]

season 1 set

[tidal kindle]

Enrage on cast, 6s enrage enabled, 3 stacks slaughter on cast, chance to proc UBF, did big dam, and was 7s(?) cd skill

[peak lagoon]

very strong button

yepge

[deft geyser]

So your point is that it was too meaningful to our playstyle

[sand crest]

replace onslaught with banner/glory

[edgy widget]

Don’t forget high damage and competitive rage gen!

[stuck bison]

i dont know seemed fine to me

😄

[deft geyser]

I can agree with that, i feel like they just dumped a lot of interactions / buffs into onslaught

making it a key interaction between berserkers torment / am

[edgy widget]

Though tbf they had to keep buffing the crap out of it, because before that we never used it 🤷‍♂️

[tidal kindle]

If tenderize was a magic card

[deft geyser]

Yeah i agree that they should buff unused last cap nodes, but then again they didnt compensate in buffing OF which we in exchange dropped

[flat river]

real

[deft geyser]

isolated in S2 of course

[edgy widget]

Well the problem is they’re tryin to make OF and Ons both useful in all situations, but it never works out that way - you’re basically only ever going to use one (which ever is better atm)

[glad plover]

MTG meme, I like it

[edgy widget]

• In 10.0 we only used OF
• In 10.0.5-10.1 we only used Ons
• In 10.2 we only used OF

[deft geyser]

Its rather impossible for there to be an equal usage of either OF or onslaught in their current iterations

[edgy widget]

They really just need to make OF an AoE button and Ons a ST one imo

[deft geyser]

especially when you have titanic rage and UF interactions

that work with AM

[sand crest]

can any of you guys tell me if copying wtf/interface folder from on pc to another keeps your weakauras as well, or do you have to get them back manually

[edgy widget]

Or we’ll always keep hoping back and forth each tier

[edgy widget]

Should, yes

[sand crest]

okay ty

[clever path]

vote season 1

[sullen dove]

he didnt "mention season 3" cause all he did was read a 2 paragraph dm from critcake who specifically likes season 2, max doesnt know a fuckin thing about what anyones sets are other than the classes he plays

[edgy widget]

Pretty much yeah

[deft geyser]

Max really likes critcake

and basically values his opinion as dps warrior community figure

[clever path]

I relate to choice of Critcake because first and foremost Crit is a m+ player

thats what i am

thats waht many of my friends over here in EU are

[edgy widget]

No offense to max, but unless it’s specifically RWF related, he’s just a parrot with little actual firsthand experience

[deft geyser]

Its obvious he does that stuff for viewership

💸

[edgy widget]

Well he is a content creator 🤷‍♂️ that’s the game

[sullen dove]

ya and thats fine, not saying who you can and cant like and whether or not you agree with them but if u actually watched the vid he spent all of 20 seconds talking about fury's set

[clever path]

I wonder when we are going to see Slayer hero talents

[unreal onyx]

I don't like that he gets literally 1 opinion and calls it the best/correct one

[deft geyser]

Well theres little he can do when he doesnt know jack shit

[edgy widget]

That’s what happens when you try to review 36 specs or w/e in 2 hours

[deft geyser]

he just sheeps it and passes it on

[unreal onyx]

archi are you NA or EU

[edgy widget]

And in fairness, you can blame @mossy fox too - nothing wrong with pushing an opinion, but didn’t exactly present both sides of the argument

[unreal onyx]

EU votes got like literally +2k votes on S2 within 3h

what happened there?

only S2 votes

[glad plover]

I think problem with OF is the fact that it does not interact with much of our overall kit, Onslaught after rework increases Enrage by 2 sec right? with Tenderize I mean.

[deft geyser]

its hard to be unbiased about something you need to specifically voice your preference for

iirc he also wrote that on the spot quickly

[sullen dove]

more enrage time isnt like a "wow" factor of onslaught tho

nice bonus maybe

[edgy widget]

Idk I managed to do it

[fossil hatch]

XD

[unreal onyx]

I think most opinions max got were from m+ pushers, no?

[deft geyser]

Well good for you, crit didnt

[edgy widget]

Dancing blades does, so does TR, and not to mention the tier set… but keep in mind half those effects were added in 10.0.5

[stuck bison]

Maxx mentioned getting your cds back quick is fun

[unreal onyx]

you get OF back just as frequently basically

[edgy widget]

OF gets more cdr than Reck/Rav lol

It’s such a disingenuous argument

[sullen dove]

reck/rav is def more powerful than odyns one to one but just cuz theres "more cds" doesnt mean they're not way weaker than if they were static 90s cds

[stuck bison]

are we comparing impact of reck+rav to OF ?

[tropic atlas]

Reck/rav >>>OF imo

[sullen dove]

its also just less applicable like for things to stay alive long enough for ravager to actually do something

[edgy widget]

It really boils down to two simple things

• Personal Preference (which do you like better?)
• Performative ideal (generally speaking, S3 is pretty good everywhere, while S2 is better for the 1% of players pushing keys)

[unreal onyx]

I think 90% of argumentation about S2 v S3 is based on m+ and not raid

[sullen dove]

try thinking for a moment if u had reck/rav this current tier, how much worse we would be on bosses like gnarlroot, smolderon and tindral

[deft geyser]

Well it also heavily depends on what your goal is in the game

[sullen dove]

whereas honestly having odyns and 90s cd ONLY sounds like a good thing in just about all of the aberrus bosses

i want odyns sark/echo with a passion

[edgy widget]

See point #2

[deft geyser]

a lot of players say they value the playstyle, but what they really mean is that they like doing big damage with good damage profile

[edgy widget]

I mean that falls under personal preference

Because they both have good damage profiles

[olive wraith]

Gnarlroot might be okay with rav. But the other def not

[edgy widget]

Trying to argue one is better is stupid

It’s a go-nowhere conversation

[sullen dove]

yea i mean sometimes adds live a while

but typically theres always more room to 1shot adds faster, and odyns is better at that by just about every basis

[unreal onyx]

reck+rav is just a lot worse to play in raid I think

[olive wraith]

Ya bigger burst in a shorter window

[unreal onyx]

playstyle-wise

[edgy widget]

There are plenty of situations where Reck/Rav don’t get quite enough CDR that OF would be better

[stuck bison]

playstayle=enjoyment > any other argument

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

[sullen dove]

is this a hint u wanna 69 or sum

[olive wraith]

[tidal kindle]

[glad plover]

I agree, but still, Odyns Fury does not offer even that, and outiside of Season 3 set bonus, its quite weak.

[edgy widget]

Again, it’s only weak because Ons was giga buffed above it in 10.0.5 though

That’s what you call an arms race

[flat river]

[edgy widget]

Like you can’t just keep buffing the other one every patch

[glad plover]

Was OF buffed even once I do not think so

[summer quail]

yes it was

[edgy widget]

No, OF started strong

[summer quail]

oh thought you typed OS

mb

yaggnar

[glad plover]

I do not remember playing it in season 1 granted I joined few weeks late.

[edgy widget]

We absolutely did

[sullen dove]

yea it was used b4 10.0.5

[edgy widget]

Ons wasn’t touched till the giga buff

[sullen dove]

dont even think it was that crazy dancing blades was just good for st

we were crushing blow degenerates

[edgy widget]

Even in pre-patch it was ignored

[sullen dove]

overcap thousands of rage a fight

[olive wraith]

Ramp cbcb ramp cbcb

Ultimate win

[sullen dove]

best iteration of fury tbh

mfw the tierset was like .01% dps gain

cuz we just didnt hit exe

[olive wraith]

What tier set

[sullen dove]

the s1 one

prebuff even it used to be just 10% critrate

[olive wraith]

We had a tier set?

[sullen dove]

regardless it was horrificly bad i passed on all tier basically until rest of my raid was filled

[edgy widget]

Even post-buff the S1 set was horrifically bad lol

[sullen dove]

yea but we could actually use execute at least

[flat river]

people on my server are crying because i post my crafting services above them always

[sullen dove]

so it had the illusion of being valuable

[edgy widget]

Except you didn’t really

[deft geyser]

I never understood why they didnt simply make it crit damage

[edgy widget]

Even with tier, Exe was only mid-priority

[flat river]

litterally calling me "an idiot" and "annoying"

[glad plover]

I just think OF does very low AOE damage, not sure why, is it 8 target cap, or it simply does not hit very hard, compared to what it should do I mean being burst AOE ability, I remember how strong that Ability was in Legion

[sullen dove]

behind only what like onslaught no? didnt think there were any other buttons

surely not raging blow was better than exe

[deft geyser]

Because blizzard just capped all melee specs in SL

[olive wraith]

Of does okay damage

[deft geyser]

justifying it by their design of making melee cleave and ranged aoe

[sullen dove]

tell that to dhs

[glad plover]

Explain DH then 😄

[deft geyser]

they cried hard enough not to get capped

:)

[humble plover]

So we just need to cry more

[glad plover]

We should cry more

[deft geyser]

Thats the most reasonable solution yes

/s

[humble plover]

Works for warlocks

[deft geyser]

fury's target cap has been a mess since SL

and it frankly doesnt make sense anymore

[sullen dove]

tbh all that needs to happen is crit convinces max to play warrior and blizzard devs will follow his every beck and call and make changes to the class

[deft geyser]

we dont even do the biggest amount of damage on 5 targets anymore

[summer quail]

real

[glad plover]

Yeah 😄 But for real Odyns Fury I remember in Legion was a beast of a Ability, I remeber oneshoting Cloth Players in BGs with one cast of it.

[pliant lantern]

Yeah, nerf it

[sullen dove]

imposter among us

[deft geyser]

yeah because legion design was actually bursty for both specs

after bfa it flopped over

and formed into a half made snowball both specs are right now

[glad plover]

Never understood why that was done.

[deft geyser]

I mean, arms simply had no changes going into SL, which, oh surprise surprise resulted in it being atrocious to play the entire xpac afterwards

and going into DF it was a big mess of trying to blend bfa and legion together

with some elements like skull banner which were removed

[edgy widget]

OF wasn't actually that strong, it was just propped up by a huge number of modifiers

Legion was all about stacking damage mods, which is something they tried to reign in

[deft geyser]

and fury was, at least in my opinion, holding up pretty fine going from S3 bfa into S4 playstyle wise

shadowlands made changes for the better but it still wasnt really unique

[tidal kindle]

Best comparison I can think of is

Playing warrior current era wow feels like you're playing garen in a lobby vs release akaali, release galio, release aphelios, and release yuumi

[deft geyser]

i really liked 9.1 iteration of m+ fury with bonegrinder and raid was well more or less acceptable with Dragon roar giving you dopamine hits

then 9.2 necrolord fury was one of my favourite playstyles to date

[lapis lion]

I'll be glad when the voting ends and s2 is put out back. Every day this discord is just s1 vs s2 vs s3 lately

[glad plover]

Did not play shadowlands, but I remember feeling of going from Legion into BFA beta, I mean aside the fact that GCD was changed, and that we lost all Artifact abilities, Rampage hitting one time less, and Execute doing fraction of damage it did in Legion was just weird to me.

[unreal onyx]

not really anything else to talk about

[stuck bison]

both Maxx and Drathnos said warrior should be prio on rework list on that stream

[gilded pawn]

it would be just as bad with crit damage

it needs to be actual damage

[unreal onyx]

I'd rather have vote argumentation over the 500th question about leggo

[deft geyser]

it would be a little bit better

[lapis lion]

maybe a hot take, but i don't care about how weak execute is and i'd love to see it be pushed into more of an arms niche than a warrior niche

[gilded pawn]

tiny bit

[deft geyser]

certainly better than crit chance we were already capping

[lapis lion]

i know we've had execute forever, but less and less does it feel like fury anyway

[gilded pawn]

instead of being MM level

you'll be slightly above MM level

[deft geyser]

well our execute meaningfulness basically died when they started giving it out to every spec

[gilded pawn]

well some are better than others

[lapis lion]

another reason i don't care if it just disappears from fury altogether

[gilded pawn]

hammer of wrath is different from soul reaper

[vivid moth]

I died in wod whenever one basically had one and it was either paladin or dk that was able to start executing at 45%

*it

[glad plover]

I do not mind how it works now, Rage generation is fine

[vivid moth]

In legion juggernaut was amazing

[lapis lion]

it's impossible to have 'good' execute that feels good to hit without in some part balancing the spec around it, which is just bad, imo

[vivid moth]

The current version that arms and fury get are both half of what it used to be

[dense elbow]

true and real, real and true

[glad plover]

Still I may be nostalgic but I loved how good it felt to just reach Execute Phase in Nighthold and start exploding on damage meters.

[vivid moth]

I wish we could have it back for both specs

[lapis lion]

this just sucks though. what if your guild is blowing through the last 35%? congrats, your dps remains mediocre. or m+ where you can't really get a ton of value out of execute, yet your damage profile remains balanced around it

im quite happy with the mostly irrelevant role execute plays now, and i hope it gets pushed further out the window tbh

[dense elbow]

Also, talking about OF of old vs new, I am like 99% sure old OF hit at least twice if not thrice as hard.

[vivid moth]

I would trade execute for onslaught

[lapis lion]

give it to arms exclusively, let it hit hard, make it >80 and <20 and call it a day

[vivid moth]

Fury a lot of the times feels like I press to many buttons for okay levels of damage

[half cargo]

please don't. I hate this execute niche

[glad plover]

Playing a video game is not all about logical performance, it felt cool to smash huge numbers if you did all things right and kept stacks high. Fury also did respectable damage during entire fight it just exploded in execute phase.

[half cargo]

give me back the constant pump from SL

[sullen dove]

no one knows what any of this meant

[lapis lion]

sounded like weeb shit so i couldnt read it

[edgy widget]

also feels terrible when those stacks drop because of things out of your control

I'm sorry but the "feel bad moments" far outweighed the "feel good moments" of Juggernaut

it was the #1 most complained about thing during Legion lol

[dense elbow]

I still argue it was more fun having the potential, than the drawback of failing reaching it. I loved it, lots complained

[edgy widget]

its the kind of thing that looks good on a highlight reel, but hardly ever works out in practice

[half cargo]

absolutely agree ^

[merry jetty]

I got mirror, ashe, signet and branch, best combo for m+?

[clever path]

signet branch

[deft geyser]

Juggernaut in legion is remembered in a good way because people's brain tend to blur out the negatives of the past

[tidal kindle]

Your ride is a horse drawn carriage and everyone around you has ferarris

[deft geyser]

making it nostalgic to them

[tidal kindle]

Outdated

[lapis lion]

if youre pugging i would not take signet to m+

[tidal kindle]

[clever path]

yolo

[lapis lion]

i dont even know what this means in this context but even something like pips would absolutely outperform signet by a wide margin in your average pug m+ key

[gentle terrace]

I use rezan instead of signet in pug because I still don’t have might of the ocean

[edgy widget]

idk, I don't think Fury feels outdated at all

[clever path]

he doesnt have pips

[glad plover]

Yeah I remember this moments and remember complaints, still, when it worked well it was very good experience.

[vivid moth]

https://youtu.be/6hMqvb8QiUk?si=HRdu4RO9NApf6uxb

[dense elbow]

Fury feels like it flows well, don't ya'll think?

[vivid moth]

Back when we used to pipe bosses hard

[lapis lion]

I think so, especially this season

[hardy merlin]

play frost dk, fury feels great compard

[clever path]

yes

[lapis lion]

that's jsut numbers, not feel. flex irrelevant

[deft geyser]

I dont think fury is outdated, but it certainly feels like its just the same thing since start of bfa just different varieties of it, while a lot of classes with healer specs gained their utility and shifted playstyles a little

[clever path]

🤦‍♂️

[deft geyser]

so i can see why it could seem "old"ish

[tidal kindle]

Fury has definitely gotten a big glow up past 2 tiers but what vet just said

And arms is

[dense elbow]

So the problem, Fury has been Fury for too long?

[glad plover]

Its not outdated, however its geting a bit stale.

[sullen dove]

fr

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

turn it into gladiator

[glad plover]

at least imo

[sullen dove]

[lapis lion]

i do think there's some truth to this, especially since legion. it did start to feel quite stale until this season

[tidal kindle]

Maybe outdated is not the best word

[lapis lion]

annihilator/of changed it enough for me

[dense elbow]

If you play Fury, but you feel Fury is getting old, isn't it time to not play Fury?

[tidal kindle]

Stagnant?

[clever path]

based

[lapis lion]

and hopefully the hero talents will continue to do so

[deft geyser]

so far hero talents dont seem to be all that impactful for dps warrior

[sullen dove]

how do you vote with multiple chars again

[deft geyser]

but theres still slayer and collossus

[sullen dove]

s2 looking a little too close

[deft geyser]

so we'll see in time

[clever path]

swith charater on forum

[lapis lion]

no but the ones previewed do at least change the way you play at least a little

[glad plover]

Yeah I like the concept of Thunder Clap replacing Whirlwind, honestly I think Annihilator build will work better that way.

[sullen dove]

wack

[stiff barn]

Just slayer for us

[lapis lion]

all i'm looking for is to not just be hitting rb 74 times in a row

[clever path]

considering we have zero clue besides speculation what slayer even does

but i can sense disturbance in the force

[dense elbow]

Slayer will buff Odyn's Fury

[stiff barn]

Sure, but we only have one other options outside of what we've already seen

[cedar edge]

I dont think i can go slayer, mountain thane just sounds too cool

[clever path]

another year of s3 tier set in tier 32 (33?) inc

[lapis lion]

why is everyone insistent on OF needing a buff?

[glad plover]

I have a theory that Slayer will focus on Execute, and Whirlwind, maybe Odyns Fury and Bladestorm.

[deft geyser]

because baseline, compared to onslaught

its really weak

[dense elbow]

Brain tells me it hits for to small of a number to release dopamine

[clever path]

dont say that

season 3 knights will come and ask you to let them in

[vivid moth]

Ravager build gives me dopamine, odyns fury give me nothing

[stiff barn]

Slayer will give us 2 charges of slam

[dense elbow]

OS crush OF in damage, that is what it is - but OF got more burst damage (and that is "balance") and why OF can be a DPS loss.

[flat river]

no please

[clever path]

[deft geyser]

slam is the biggest mystery of dps warrior for me this xpac

[cedar edge]

[clever path]

Legit, 2x slam

feels powerful

stronk

[deft geyser]

no fucking clue what they wanted or plan to do with it

[flat river]

LOOK

[clever path]

Oh no

[dense elbow]

Slayer, slam spam, confirmed? Quick! Devs lock it down!

[flat river]

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S SEASON 1 OR 2

[clever path]

Gala is cooking again

[flat river]

I JUST WANT RAGING BLOW BACK

[dense elbow]

Oh here we go again

[glad plover]

Remember furious slash, well I am sorry for everything I said bad about that Ability

[stiff barn]

Come on and slam, and welcome to the spam

[modest condor]

[tidal kindle]

Are you talking about - slam, warrior, or this expac

[lapis lion]

i'm prepared to buy a 4th account and level 50 characters to 10 to vote to stop rb from ever coming back

[flat river]

FK SLAM, ALL MY REAL HOMIES HATE SLAM

[tidal kindle]

[deft geyser]

slam for dps warrior

[dense elbow]

Slam with 2 stacks! SLAYER WILL BE HYYYYYYYYPE

[deft geyser]

but in terms of reality

everything you said could match

[dim oyster]

so you prefer to spam BT instead of RB kek

[clever path]

you can just vote on level 10 characters

[vivid moth]

Slam with a chance to reset slam with 2 stacks baseline

[flat river]

bring back MoP slam and i might reconsider

[dense elbow]

You can also delete your char, and revote, and vote stays

[lapis lion]

yuh because it's not the exact same and rb focused specs are boring as shit now

dogshit to play

[tidal kindle]

[glad plover]

What was special about MOP slam ?

[dense elbow]

There are botters voteing btw

[vivid moth]

Lam

[flat river]

dealt ALOT of dmg

[vivid moth]

Slam

[flat river]

and when u used sweeping strikes (arms) it hit in an AoE

[glad plover]

But it deals a lot of damage now

[deft geyser]

cold take: remove slam and replace it with something else

[glad plover]

s/

[stiff barn]

Different kind of slam

@deft geyser

[glad plover]

Call if Furious Slam

[vivid moth]

Hot take trade slam and onslaughts positions and buffers in three

Tree

[clever path]

slayer = 2x slam charges

[flat river]

@glad plover

[clever path]

kappa

[lapis lion]

as long as they vote for s3, im good with it. otherwise, ban

[edgy widget]

Honestly y’all’s obsession with slam is weird

[flat river]

IKR

[glad plover]

Ah yeah it was a cast, no thank you

[flat river]

raging blow BiS

[flat river]

not in MoP

that was wrath/cata

[deft geyser]

Slam is such a small part of the fury rotation

but its weird that its there

[edgy widget]

Like I legit don’t understand this whole bitching about using slam, it’s no different than WW or any other ability

[deft geyser]

its more an issue for arms

[edgy widget]

It’s been there since forever

[lavish haven]

I don't think it's about pressing rb or bt, it's rather choosing to play anger management+ravager over reckless abandon+odyn's fury.. I would choose the first one tbh

[deft geyser]

rather than fury

[flat river]

it looks and sounds bad

[lapis lion]

i would pay money to ensure am/ravager never came back

[clever path]

gala

[edgy widget]

That’s pretty subjective

[modest condor]

and onslaught doesnt look bad?

[clever path]

you sent shitty version of slam

[edgy widget]

Looks fine to me

[clever path]

theres reeal version

[dense elbow]

There are some different number values, to be fair. Also animation. To play devils advocate here.

[vivid moth]

It’s like going to a steak house for steak and getting a salad instead

[edgy widget]

See this is exactly what I’m talking about

[lavish haven]

that says more about the player loving one 1 30 mins cd, instead of 2 cds in that interval, which is way better for m+

[calm swallow]

Slayer will buf SMF AND Odyn's Fury

[dense elbow]

...

[glad plover]

I think its not slam, its the fact that RB was reliable "always there" filler, slam has CD its not big deal, just feels off at least for me but again that is not slam that is Anni

[unreal onyx]

#fury message

[lapis lion]

am/ravager is just boring and played out, never want it back

[edgy widget]

You have Bloodthirst, which is used as much as RB

[dense elbow]

Why does all my "OF get buff" become ppl agreeing with me, but adding stuff?

[edgy widget]

Slam is more analogous to WW

[flat river]

guys War Within talent build Dropped

they removed them

[slim coral]

I think people are complaining because it doesnt feel impactful to use or really even feel like a fury ability but we dont' use it really that much so idc it either

[tidal kindle]

#showtooltip rb
/c slam

[deft geyser]

I think people wanted slam for fury to be what it essentially was in beta

[tidal kindle]

[edgy widget]

Na that’s not it at all

[deft geyser]

just a big hitter on a cd

[slim coral]

[glad plover]

In Annihilator build yeah, in RB build only Bloodthirst has CD you have to actually take into account.

[flat river]

not the same

[dense elbow]

hold up, hold up!

/c is enough? Have I been writing /cast for all this time for no reason?

[flat river]

yes

[red yew]

Despair

[dense elbow]

[ebon chasm]

Rip same

[flat river]

imagine pressing 4 keys when u could press 1

smh

[ebon chasm]

Next you will tell me /use can be /u

[flat river]

real

xd

(jk)

[dense elbow]

Oh well, I learned something new today

[clever path]

bro

sharing broken macro

thanks

[flat river]

AHAHHAHA

[slim coral]

monkaS

[lavish haven]

oh you will use it, when you have to wait for abilities so you won't waste a buff from odyn's fury..

[dense elbow]

28 everbloom

godspeed Baze

[flat river]

can i join

[slim coral]

I've rarely used slam

[flat river]

based

[tidal kindle]

Did the #showtooltip "rb"

[flat river]

it's not on my bar

[tidal kindle]

Not give enough hint

[deft geyser]

Nostalgic about spear + slam ripping aggro in beta

[flat river]

real fury warrior players don't use slam

[dense elbow]

I miss PTR, for this patch, when slam had 82k baseline dam

[slim coral]

give us the nightfae ability instead of spear

based'

[clever path]

🗑️

[sullen dove]

why tf is a passive button on your bar

[slim coral]

[deft geyser]

i found it odd why they wanted spear over banner

[flat river]

passive better than slam

[sullen dove]

cope

[edgy widget]

In RB build you don’t use slam, so the comparison is irrelevant

[clever path]

🤡

[barren dagger]

you guys dont press annihilator?

[flat river]

real

[dense elbow]

I hate it, but good one

[arctic copper]

i press it every auto attack

[cosmic lance]

actual 200apm spec pressing annihalator so it works on every auto

[lavish haven]

🤣

[deft geyser]

Since both TR and spear essentially filled the same function while spear was target capped and was a little bitter in ST

[flat river]

if u think about it

season 2 is more fun

[deft geyser]

i think iteration around conq banner would've been better, although granted they'd have to reduce our rage economy ( or match banner towards it)

[sullen dove]

im thinking about it and coming to a different conclusion

odd

[dense elbow]

I enjoyed S3 more, I wasnt depressed bringing Odyn's Fury

[flat river]

because in season 3 u have to focus and withhold BT press when u use OF

till u have BB

[lavish haven]

of course it is, you have something press all the time

[flat river]

real

[sullen dove]

wow i pressed raging blow for the 200th time this fight!

[flat river]

real

[tidal kindle]

S2 was better simply because for a period of time, mage sp aug didn't exist

[sullen dove]

i love pressing something that matters so much!

[tidal kindle]

[flat river]

real

[dense elbow]

We still got something to press? I am confused

you guys not pressing buttons?

[sullen dove]

realest thing in this channel in the last week

[clever path]

i dont see augs in pugs anymore

[slim coral]

warrior was actually meta for s2 before the god comp happened

[flat river]

what's a button?

[dense elbow]

[slim coral]

[flat river]

real

it was A-tier

[deft geyser]

not meta

but pretty damn close

[slim coral]

I mean it was gonna be brought to mdi

that's pretty meta for warrior

[flat river]

i always topped DPS

[deft geyser]

not mdi mind you

[sullen dove]

[deft geyser]

tgp

[dense elbow]

I still top DPS

[flat river]

harder to

[glad plover]

Fun or consistent is not the same, while I think personally for me Season 2 was fun because it allowed me to have CD multiple times during same pack in M+ and on every pack, Season 3 build is more visually pleasing because you hit larger number, but its less fun because our damage outside of Avatar just feels very weak at the moment.

[slim coral]

wait whats the difference actually

[flat river]

u don't always have CD'S in m+

[slim coral]

I watch both but idk

[lavish haven]

if you want to waste odyn's fury buff on bloodthirst sure you can press anything, but don't expect good dps

[slim coral]

the semeantics

[deft geyser]

tgp is about pushing keys

mdi is about completing keys the fastest way possible

[slim coral]

should is tgp better?

[sullen dove]

one pretends like its more important (mdi) when really ppl like tgp more

[slim coral]

in terms of skill

[flat river]

anyone wanna do a +21 BRH? lookin at you @clever path

[cosmic lance]

TGP is pushing the highest key you can, MDi is set key level for quickest time

[deft geyser]

both require skill

[slim coral]

ok well then if it was TGP

that would mean warrior was even more meta no?

[flat river]

EU

[slim coral]

because that means you would need the damage

[dense elbow]

press BT, get OF back 5 sec earlier, DPS is regained

[lavish haven]

exactly many cds on almost any pack was a big deal, now we do poop dps on some packs

[deft geyser]

well, it wasnt meta, it was really good in 2-3 dungeons

due to reflect value

[flat river]

BRO I LAGGED

[slim coral]

yeah intervning tanks op

[flat river]

mentally

[flat river]

I ENTERRED BLOOD FFS

[slim coral]

HOI and the worm dungeon

[flat river]

I CAN SHJOW U

[slim coral]

forgot the name already

[clever path]

[dense elbow]

[dense elbow]

Lair

[dense elbow]

So, Gala, it spawns these pools of blood on the ground. Before the boss casts her channel, that links to you, you got to step into the blood pool to get a debuff.

The debuff turns the channel from healing the boss, to damaging it.

Hope that helps!

[flat river]

overall btw @clever path

i was top

so suck it

[dense elbow]

You healed the boss for more than you lead by dps

[clever path]

i was wearing a one hander

[flat river]

o-o

still was top dps

WAIT I CAN PROVE IT

I STREAMED THE DUNGEON

[dense elbow]

#promotion stuff, not Fury. Git to offtopic

[flat river]

i sent the link in promotions

[dense elbow]

I have that tab hidden

is worth gold

[clever path]

this trinket was amazing in s2

[flat river]

fight started at 19:42

if anyone wanna watch

[edgy widget]

Puzzlebox gang

[glad plover]

Ok hear me out, Dancing Blades now also cleaves our Auto Attacks for next 10 sec on all targets hit by Odyns Fury. Where is my developer of a year reward?

[flat river]

real

[dense elbow]

Then what is the point of TR?

[flat river]

ok @clever path the FIRST ONE i didn't enter

[slim coral]

yeah that one was fun

[dense elbow]

Lair was BiS

[glad plover]

I have one better for you, what is point of Odyns Fury 😄

[unreal onyx]

raid over, we are gaming to a medium level now

[flat river]

but i used spell reflect

[dense elbow]

To do big dam. Sadly it currently does not... so that is why I ask for buffs

[flat river]

does spell reflect reflect the life steal spell of priestess alun'za?

[modest condor]

i have done the research, you did not have tainted blood

[dense elbow]

Oh no, Gala

[flat river]

onyl first one

[dense elbow]

caught in 4k

[flat river]

BUT THE REST I DID EMTER

[dense elbow]

Sure you did :^)

[flat river]

and i rpell reflected first

so it doesn't count

[modest condor]

on the 2nd one someone else didnt have it

[flat river]

SEE

wasn't me

[dense elbow]

Because Gala stole his pool?

[flat river]

i spell reflected first so all good

[flat river]

bruh

[dense elbow]

Just sayin

[flat river]

early bird gets the worm

[modest condor]

3rd one again someone else didnt have it

man

[clever path]

gala update your wa please

it still says inturrupt

[dense elbow]

Gala keeps stealing the pools

[modest condor]

that's definitely a warrior group if i've ever seen one

[flat river]

it iss

all warriors

xd

[glad plover]

Wait you played with all warriors?

[flat river]

yep

except heal

[dense elbow]

They even timed it

[flat river]

++

[glad plover]

Are you ok, do I need to call help ?

[flat river]

i lowkey think we can do it with 4 fury and 1 prot

fury so tanky