fury

[clever path]

How you figure

you do realize they arent going to tune current tier set

because its not needed of a tuning, and i am seeing it from a developers perspective

[meager void]

teehee, I mean. They have to thinkin that on that team tho "wft do we do if T29 wins"

[clever path]

exactly

thats why it would have been the good timeline

but nope

[meager void]

how do you know that again?

[clever path]

season 3 , enjoy having warrior changelogs be like this

"Changed lightning effects on storm bolt"

[clever path]

Dude, because its the one that works apparently

the one that is THE tier set

The one that is good st and aoe that doesnt require tuning and ready to work out of the box

why would they tune it????????????????????? better explain this

[meager void]

because tunning isnt done in a vaccum

[dense elbow]

To make ppl happy, just give it a "increased proc rate on (4)" and ppl super happy

then increase it by 0.1ppm

[meager void]

if content changes and rewards change, there needs to be tuning

[dense elbow]

Well, not how it works, but ya get the point

[meager void]

even if tuning is "lets not touch it"

[dense elbow]

Ok, hear me out, what if tuning is: (2): Of now deals 150% more dam?

[meager void]

I mean, if not. We should all just prepare for PuzzleBox

PuzzyB is back

[clever path]

Cant wait to play OF for another yer

yehaw

[strong aspen]

u dont gonna play OF, S2 gonna win, ppl finally realized thats the best choice

maybe cause al high rio players want s2

[meager void]

what was the ilvl inflation for fated shadowlands?

[dense elbow]

Last time I checked, S3 was winning

[clever path]

thats because rio players are playing m+

and not shitty raid

[strong aspen]

agree

[strong aspen]

check it now, prob ppl saw videos of ppl like critcake explains WHY S2 and not S3

i also would pref S1 before S3

[clever path]

Link to video

i wanna see our daddy talk about why s2 is better

[dense elbow]

I presume S2 will win on EU, but I presume NA will vote s3

EU is more M+ heavy

[clever path]

Yes and USA is full of gamer dads who vote s3 becasue raids

[strong aspen]

i dont dislike raid, but for me is just an weekly clean in 1 day... not difficult atm

[oblique trail]

🌰

[strong aspen]

im m+ always

[dense elbow]

Clearing mythic raid in one night, that is impressive, for sure

[clever path]

thats my friend, because we do not flip burgers, and dont drink our mountain dew with doritos in mixer

[strong aspen]

i said 1 day

[proud crown]

I was 30 score off title and still prefer s3

[strong aspen]

and we just skip

[alpine juniper]

Hello, got a question about dual 1h fury, i usually play prot and haven't gotten a single 2h so far, but wanting to try out fury i was wondering if it would be worth dropping some talent points in favor of "single-minded fury" and "frenzied flurry" and if so, what points would i drop from the standard wowhead ST build? (got s3 4set)

[dense elbow]

did you combine the hours of the week, into one day?

as in 24 hours?

total

[strong aspen]

we spend like 4h

and hc fyrakk

[clever path]

Short answer: it wouldnt be better even in the slightest to use SMF

[dense elbow]

Why would you kill HC fyrakk?

[strong aspen]

alters trinkets + leggo

[dense elbow]

fair enough

Aug do be broken

[alpine juniper]

alright i figured, thanks! 🙂 no mather what it's only while waiting for some 2h's to drop

[clever path]

fresh character i presume?

I'd go do a dreamsurge or two, or time rift , get a weapon from there

dreamsurges are spammable so you should be ok with couple of runs and got a decent two hander like that

or buy an auction house one at 424 - 428 ilvl

[oblique trail]

SMF is better if you have markedly higher ilvl 1handers than 2handers

[alpine juniper]

not fresh fresh but like 12th alt or someting, i have 460 ilv with hero 1h's + shield

[dense elbow]

SMF is better if you got the rare-onehander, and just 486 2handers

[alpine juniper]

also capped on crafteds unfortunately

[clever path]

vote season 2

[oblique trail]

not true

[dense elbow]

Vote Season 1

[alpine juniper]

i have the fyrak one handed hc 🙂

[dense elbow]

Sims showed SMF up 2% above, last round we did this discussion. Then all agreed it was a pointless discussion, as legendary is a thing

[oblique trail]

On absolute pure ST then maybe it's better than a crafted 2hander in offhand

[dense elbow]

Next tier, s4, they make a legendary 1 hand, just to make ppl cry tears of blood

Hidden legendary

[clever path]

Any merit to lego mh and fyrakk weapon oh

[dense elbow]

[unreal cape]

So anyone else read through another of the " warrior not being invited to keys" post on reddit ?

the comments do be hurting, because they're true

(writing this while sitting in lfg and not being invited ofc)

[gleaming crag]

jUsT rUn YoUrE oWn KeY

[dense elbow]

To be fair, that is a solution to the problem. That or networking

[coarse nest]

The higher your io gets the harder it becomes to get into +io keys

[gleaming crag]

I was making fun of the people who scream that on the reddit

[coarse nest]

War isnt considered meta

it is what it is

[dense elbow]

The ones you are making fun of, are right tho.

Just do your own key.

[gleaming crag]

It's just silly that a paladin can do all that crazy shit and we get shafted.

[dense elbow]

Here we go, please tell us about how bad warrior is. How we can never get into keys and not to mention, how heroism and AoE combat ress will solve everything

[unreal cape]

war is considered bad

even though bad class with a good player behind it is far better than a meta class with a shitter behind it

put ppl dont care

[coarse nest]

WoW will always be this way

literally always

[unreal cape]

yeah i know

it is, what it is

[dense elbow]

I wouldnt call warrior bad tho, we are at worst decent. Problem being there are some excellent choices. Higher up you go, the more excellent will get prioritzed (why networking matters so much).

But we are not 'dead' tier bad. That would go to the classes/specs that haven't done 25s yet and that struggle to do anything.

[unreal cape]

but i personally won't play another season of warrior in this state

if there's no rework i'll look into other classes

[summer quail]

good for you

[dense elbow]

You will be missed, and we will see you again in the new expansion

[unreal cape]

even for war within, everything we've seend / heard so far is that the warrior hero talents suck

so...

what is there to look forward to

[dense elbow]

u-huh

we dooming are we

[unreal cape]

if you're only pugging m+, its hard not to doom

[pliant lantern]

If you are pugging M+ and want to do high keys, have fun rerolling every single season to what is meta. Pugging keys and classes being left out of it is a community problem, not a balancing issue. There will ALWAYS be a top class, and that will always be favoured by the meta slaves.

[dense elbow]

If you want to push m+, you really should look into networking and building groups of players to push with.

It is not just more time efficient, it also solves your biggest issue: not doing keys at all.

A decent premade, will outperform PuGs, as your teamwork will improve every key.

[unreal cape]

i tried, but didn't work so far

i'm at 3.250 right now, i'll just push to 3.3k and then stop there

[dense elbow]

I am sorry to hear you failed, trick is to not give up. A solid network takes months to build up

[unreal cape]

i dont want and never did reroll into meta every season, i've played warrior almost always. i'm just saying it would be more fun playing a class that isnt gimped in dmg and utility department

[unreal cape]

i didn't fail. i reached 3.250 score with pugging and i personally am very proud of that

dont care what anyone else says. i think its good, for me personally

[dense elbow]

Well, if that is your goal, good for you. Ya did good

But then don't complain, when you are not trying to work for the solution

[past pivot]

Warr is so bad and never gets in yet you have almost a 3.3k score by pugging. Oh the inhumanity of it all

[pliant lantern]

Warrior isn't gimped in either of those departments currently, it's only failing is its inability to interact with incorporeal. Other classes being tuned way above others this season, isn't a warrior problem

[dense elbow]

Pretty sure 99.9% in here agree, the outliers (up and down) should be brought towards mid. 70% would agree that warrior is high-mid.

[tacit crag]

The dps warrior/prot hero talent intersection isn't super great, who knew. We don't know what dps/dps intersection hero talents look like yet

They could be bangin

[tacit crag]

tbf 3.3k score is obtainable by literally any spec in the game without too much difficulty imo, people will invite almost anyone to 24s and below if they are appropriate io

[unreal onyx]

is it daily warr dooming time yet?

[pliant lantern]

When is it not?

[tacit crag]

This is always the solution to any m+ pug woes, do your own key, invite your own meta comp, get io. It sucks when your key gets depleted, but it's a time efficiency trade-off that works out better for your io in the long run.

Spend 30min-1hr waiting for key just to have it deplete, or fill your own key in 5min, deplete potentially in 10-20mins, refill your key in 5min, time and run new key in that 1 hr wait period. Bam, got potentially some io, or a new viable key in the time you're normally spamming invites with a deplete in the time frame. You'll also learn a new respect for inviting meta classes.

[pliant lantern]

Then when you come across good players, add them as a friend w/ a note so you remember what was good about them. Do that for a season or 2 and you end up with a good network of people that you can invite on a whim and start pushing even higher

[sullen cloak]

hey guys, can ask if there is a thought on how to factor Fyr'alath into the fury warrior rotation?

Is it better to start with ability or do it after opener?

[pliant lantern]

Check the pins...tldr use it outside of cooldowns when you have nothing else to press

[tacit crag]

This too, always add the good players in your keys and invite them to do your key when you have one you really want for io. If you can add a sick 3.5k io dh to friends and get a 27/28 for the first time, he's probably interested and you have one solid player already for your comp

[gleaming crag]

I've hated keys since legion do I run them for the rewards such as mounts and increase in gear level without having to wipe 100+ times on a prog boss in mythic you better believe your ass.

Anything timed is immediately not fun for me.

[hoary locust]

why ingame i see 237k in details heroic volko. and in log its 208k. wtf?

[pliant lantern]

Aug voker contributions

[oblique trail]

An Aug evoker buffed you

[gleaming crag]

This season is the highest my IO has ever been of 2.7k cause they forced us to do 18s and might as well just do a 20 for the portal once you're geared af

[pliant lantern]

Also, distance to who was logging

[hasty path]

20s were the highest reward last season werent they

oh wait nvm it got reduced to 16

[pliant lantern]

They may have been on the other side of the platform and their combat log didn't pick up what your side was doing

[final birch]

s1 20

s2 16

s3 18

u still got the most if you did 20's bc saved crests

[hoary locust]

i felt i did good rotation. and thought 237k wass good result lol. but 208k... fuckin fake details

and i sim 228k

[oblique trail]

Welcome to playing with an Aug evoker

Details is fake news until you look at logs

And even logs aren't 100% accurate with Augs in your raid

[final birch]

you're simming with monk buff, with windfury - are you sure you have that in raid?

that also affects your dps btw

[clever path]

guys

[hoary locust]

wf wasnt but was monk

btw we got buff by dh too right?

[final birch]

nop

wf is like 4% dps for fury or something like that, that's pretty hefty

[unreal cape]

this hasn't worked for me at all this season. i've added lots of people, yet never play with them again. they're usually a better performing class than me and when i asked it was always either: im busy, pushing with friends / guild, i cant, i raid etc etc. it's just the same thing as with pugging. the meta classes, or tanks have lots of players in their friends list. why would they take a warrior when they also have a rogue in fl or something else

after asking several times i just stop, and then week(s) go by without ever having played with them and then i just remove them from friends list, cuz there's no point in having some1 in your fl who you're never playing with

they're also climbing much higher in score than you are, since they're a better class / better role. so you're stuck doing keys that are 1-2 lower than theirs and that just further adds to the fact that they wont invite you

[lilac plinth]

I am 3105 rio

[final birch]

shit takes time

[lilac plinth]

All pugs

Do u keys

[hoary locust]

u prolly have alot of free time

[tacit crag]

This is a level of woe is me that probably no one wants to deal with honestly. I've found players and palyed with them just fine.

[unreal cape]

like ive added, surely around 10 ppl. only guy i do keys with very rarely is a guildie who plays frost dk, who knows the fucking struggle, thats why we team up. but warrior and + frost isnt the best comp lol. it still works, cuz we know our classes

[lilac plinth]

3 hour game time

Or i will get killed by wife and kids

[unreal cape]

i'm not complaining about it, it is, what it is. i just wanted to respond to the guy who said that earlier, cuz ive heard that looots of times

[past pivot]

Re-rolling fotm may or may not solve your problem

[unreal cape]

its fine, warr is my main for this season, i won't change it. will just relax a bit more after reaching my personal goal for m+ and maybe play an alt for a bit

[tepid isle]

Recently ive started playing warrior, cuz well lego doesnt drop on my pala… fury might turn out to be more fun than ret ho

[hoary locust]

3 hour everyday without raiding only m+?

[gleaming crag]

I'm the opposite I picked up my ret pally did normal last night though as holy cause you can underperform there and as long as no one dies you're good lol.

I don't like ret rotation so far so there's that fury is a nice rotation right now less buttons the better.

I also don't min max or do mythic raiding so there's that. I'm happy with 80% bosses get killed I get mounts.

[wise torrent]

How would you compare frost DK and fury warr?

[tepid isle]

@gleaming crag yeah just lego prayge at this point

[flat river]

Real

[lilac plinth]

Raid on Tuesday and Sunday

Other days only pug m+

[ruby mountain]

Do anyone know when mastery starts do DR? When is it not worth to stack more mastery

[past pivot]

When sims tell you to

[hoary locust]

very strange. u play 3 hours and get 3100 rio. people get deny in pugs as wariors for hours. u probably not quite accurate about ur situation

[ruby mountain]

the statweight simming from raidbots, isn't the best anymore. Thats why i hoped someone knew what the approximately "softcap" or "hardcap" was ^^

[past pivot]

Yeah, don't use stat weights. Any cap depends on gear

But you can generally stack mastery pretty high

[lilac plinth]

Idc if u believe or not

[hoary locust]

ye another story of i play 6 hours a week 3500 rio and 9/9 mythic style^

[final birch]

xd

you overestimate 3.1k

[past pivot]

"OK Doomer" is a new phrase to use liberally.

[final birch]

if you play consistently

[tight steeple]

3100 is like what, 23/24s?

[final birch]

you will get to 3.1k with 3h a day with ease

[tight steeple]

easily pugged this season

[hoary locust]

3100 its 23+ and some 24-25 ye.

but if u have limited timeframe of 3 hours when u need raid+ questing + queue.

[coarse nest]

I typically play 20 hours a week including 6 hours of raid

and i managed to pug 3100

[round linden]

Hello, I want to ask you something, what would be the vote I have to do for War Fury?

[hoary locust]

np if people play 5+ hours a day and 8+ on weekends. but not in 3 hours

or u had some high record from pervious season or something else

[coarse nest]

their isnt really a wrong choice its a preference vote, generally most people want S3 bonus

[hoary locust]

coz in 3 hours u can do max 2 dungs. and not 100% sure u get exactly what u need to up rio.

[coarse nest]

M+ enjoyers like season 2 bonus from what ive heard

but I didnt play fury in s2

[viscid flare]

s3 bonus makes me sad

[coarse nest]

Rey i literally play 3hrs a night tops and I am 7/9m and 3100 Rio

its possible

[lilac plinth]

I don’t know what the problem with and again i only play 3h and hit 3.1k

[round linden]

Yes, but what I'm talking about is which one benefits war the most? for pve content

[lilac plinth]

Stop cry and play the game

[sour frigate]

but 3100 rio this season is meh 🙂

[low folio]

i prefer s3 set from a personal gameplay but considering fated seasons are more of a M+ season, S2 probably wouldve been smarter

[coarse nest]

like 1000 people complete 27s bro

all 24s is well above average

[sour frigate]

🤷‍♀️

[hoary locust]

well maybe we have some outliers here and there. but from my expirience and of expirience of friends. u cant do much with limited time of 3 hours.

[sour frigate]

even my friends who r casual andies have like 3200-3300

[coarse nest]

you are in a bubble

weather you like to admit it or not

[low folio]

ya you havnt seen casual players

[sour frigate]

dont care keks

[proud crown]

[coarse nest]

Neither do I

[round linden]

Can anyone tell me if in SS 2 the Fury had good unitarget dps?

[hoary locust]

i have people in my guild with 3100-3200. when i come from work and log on theey are already online in dungs or quests. when i log of they plan to run couple of dungs. xDD

[oak peak]

Went from a CE guild to a heroic only guild here, and there are players who are excited to time their first 15 this week

[coarse nest]

exactly

completeing 20s is a huge accomplishment for most people in this game

some people just have to flex their Epeen

and the rest of us laugh about it

[violet trail]

Timing 20s is like.. The top % of the game

[oak peak]

Yep. And many many people quit at 20s in everything. No real reason to go past it if you cant get the 0.1% title

[hoary locust]

i just remember when i had CE and high rio back in the days. i invested time. now i play 3 hours and not everyday and iam nott able to do 3200 and raid mythic. people live in bubble ye xD

[coarse nest]

Rey you absolutely can

[past pivot]

Ignorance is bliss and many here live in Nirvana

[coarse nest]

I do it right now

[violet trail]

If I played like 3 hours a day I think I could still get 3k+ and causally raid with my guild 2 times a week.

[oak peak]

You can.

But, still pretty casual compared to many

[coarse nest]

The issue now is its late in the season so climbing io is alot harder if you only pug

you have to try to stay ahead from the start

[violet trail]

Just dont pug. Problem solved.

[dull sierra]

also you're playing warrior

[hard widget]

Just play your own key

[dull sierra]

gl pugging

[hoary locust]

its possible. but i guess its very minor chunk of playerbase. i look around and i see people with family duties in evening and work not able to climb as high as 3100+.

[lilac plinth]

Cry more

[hoary locust]

xD

[oak peak]

I play 2-3 hours a night in a casual heroic guild, got 3k last season pretty easy, though this season i dont care to really. No point since im not pushing hard

[coarse nest]

I told myself only unlocking portals this season

and here I am

applying to 24s/25s

for hours

LOL

[hard widget]

If you want to gain score as a warrior, best thing is to just spam your own key if you dont have a premade group

[coarse nest]

I do alot of guild keys as well so im able to dodge the lfg wall alot

[violet trail]

My goal each season is like All portals and AOTC and then kill as many mythic bosses as I can.

I'm too old to go ultra hardcore

[past pivot]

My goal is to have fun. Done being stressed over a game

[hoary locust]

at season start i was busy with questing and gearing coz started fresh warrior. and i remember hours of applying to pugs with mass deny, with no pervious season score it was kinda hard to get into.

[violet trail]

Thats a push your own key angle

[hoary locust]

and i was geared enough by the time i started spam m+ for invites

[coarse nest]

Same brotha, I used to stress so hard about not getting invited to pug keys

and one day i realized

[clever path]

heres a cure for pug keys

go prot

[coarse nest]

why do i give such a shit about score

[clever path]

[coarse nest]

when it gives me nothing but epeen flex

[violet trail]

I just like seeing number go up

And when it has gone up enough I feel. "Oh yes that is good number" And stop

[hasty path]

There’s zero reward between 20s and title and that’s mega cringe

[coarse nest]

^

hope blizz changes that

[hasty path]

And all the M+ rewards that do exist suck ass

[hoary locust]

i pushed my own key alot. but its like 1 key per hour+. coz u need to wait for tank and heal. and sometimes we got disbands after 30-40 min coz party was unable to complete boss))) like atal last boss xD

[hard widget]

Some people just like to challenge themselves, and do this by playing higher keys

[hasty path]

I’m aware. But there should be something that actually rewards those and incentivizes doing them. It would be better for the community that way

[coarse nest]

TBH the main reason to push score is so its easier to get invited to your 8 weekly 20s

[hard widget]

Like what?

[acoustic furnace]

Finishing a key won't even pay for an entire Vers flask. Should be 250g minimum for timing something.

[hasty path]

Cosmetics? Additional recolors of the tier outfits exclusive to m+? Additional mount equivalent to glad mount?

[acoustic furnace]

Either that or guarantee loot for everyone so I don't waste a few thousand gold worth of consumables by farming.

[hard widget]

But the glad mount is like ksm mount

[coarse nest]

Time to clear snow..

[hasty path]

Except KSM is achievable day 1

[coarse nest]

[hasty path]

And glad mounts are currently Dragonriding skins

Whereas m+ gets a fucking ground mount of a creature I’ve never even seen before

[hard widget]

Yeah but what i dont get is why there should be a reward for doing for examples 25

[hasty path]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying my guy

[hard widget]

There isnt a half cutting edge either

[hasty path]

And make the rewards for the other keys not suck

[hard widget]

You either get it or not

[hasty path]

You get first title at like 1k, then mount at like 2k

Your armor has a faint glow if you want at 2.5k

Like come on

[hard widget]

If you push higher you do it for fun or to push for 0.1%

[hasty path]

The fucking glowing tier armor is literally a slap in the face imo. I’d legitimately rather have nothing than that sad excuse for a reward

[barren dagger]

what do you get for title? achiev?

[hard widget]

Not everything needs rewards

[hasty path]

It drives participation

Increased participation is good

[hasty path]

Aotc is much harder than KSM

[hard widget]

Most of the people that play m+ are not even above +20

[hasty path]

Plus there are mythic raid exclusive colors

[hard widget]

I think they're both easy

But thats my take

[hasty path]

absolutely

I had both week 1 the last 2 seasons

And I do like 22s and 23s when I can bc they’re more fun than 20s and have slightly better players usually but I feel no incentive to actually push

[clever path]

who goes around with hairstyle like that

[hasty path]

Because unless I push for title I’m just stressing for nothing

And personally that’s just not fun. But thats me

If you like to have higher io that still doesn’t give you anything to show for it other than your raider.io page, go for it

But there’s no reason a major branch of content in the game should have such miserable rewards

[hard widget]

Yeah but thats fine, and thats a choice. However i feel like it would be giga weird to reward players for completing a +23. It doesnt make sense, its not a special achievement like getting cutting edge or glad or 0.1

[acoustic furnace]

Bad take. AOTC gets a mount and a title. CE gets a mount and a title. Meaning that mid range and high end raiders have stuff to work towards.

M+ is mount, then nothing for over 1000io, and then a title. That's just plain bad.

[hasty path]

I’m not saying a 23

But give a reward for like

Multiple % cutoffs

Not just .1%

Let top 1% and top 10% for example have additional rewards

And then if you’re higher up you get multiple rewards at the end of a season

Like, again, PvP

Or raid

Where you have progressive rewards

That are cumulative

[covert blaze]

Rare Nish W take

[umbral ingot]

yeah

people that go hard in m+ deserve more

[clever path]

yeah

i d like some cosmetic shit ngl

i mean im not a top 1% or whatever, im only 2916 rio

but still

[acoustic furnace]

Nah bro don't you know only the top 0.1% of people deserve anything? Sheesh so entitled

[clever path]

thats an interesting take

loads of bollocks

anyone who thinks that for real has no brain

[acoustic furnace]

Nah man you have to devote your life to wow. You don't deserve mounts if you don't.

I want at least 30 keys a day from you before you're allowed to have an opinion.

[clever path]

fuck the mounts (lol) , gimme some hd armor sets or whateaver

like shoulders from torghast

[barren dagger]

thing is 2.5k is laughably easy and title is super hard. no in between lol

[past pivot]

You already got rewards and portals and Vault items. Giving more rewards every few hundred IO is silly. Just another participation trophy

[hard widget]

With raid you also dont have this, you get aotc or not, you either get CE or not (and CE isnt guaranteed mount)

[hasty path]

There just aren't comparable M+ levels so i'm using a % cutoff

because M+ levels are not equivalent from season to season for io

[covert blaze]

Wym CE isn't guaranteed mount

[hard widget]

The % players that get CE is very low

[covert blaze]

I guess if you kill the boss once or something

[hasty path]

it's around 1%

[hard widget]

It only drops 2 mounts per kill

[clever path]

now you dont think that some other cosmetics like armor or whatever is a good thing for those who just spam stuff?

even if it is on the same level

eveery 15 or 20 dungeons - get a random transmogable piece of something that isnt even rare or whatever

[hasty path]

CE used to have exclusive mounts but this xpac they've made them on all difficulties via RNG

[hard widget]

It was like this last xpac too

If you kill the mythic endboss (before tier is over) 2 mounts will drop

[hasty path]

yes but it is no longer mythic exclusive

but that's kinda not the point i guess

[hard widget]

It is mythic exlusive

[clever path]

like there are also rewards for grindy achieves like this one

[past pivot]

No. If you want more, go for the elite ranking and the title that goes with it. It would be the same as mythic raiders getting a perk for ever boss they kill before getting CE

[hasty path]

brother it is not lol

[hasty path]

there are 2 mounts

an AOTC and a random drop

[hard widget]

The random drop is only from mythic, making it mythic exclusive

[hasty path]

the last 2 tiers you had Raszageth mount on all difficulties and Kazzara mount on all difficulties

[hard widget]

I can show u mounts if you like

[clever path]

you are so narrowminded i cant sorry

[hard widget]

So that u can see that it is mythic exclusive

[tender seal]

Anyone know if someone faction changed during the BLP period and then afterwards looted legendary? Kinda wanna go alliance, but am worried it could fuck up the BLP

[past pivot]

And you want a cookie, a mount and a transmog for every key you do.

[clever path]

what am i even on about, nothing to argue about

just bark and no play

[hasty path]

Jailer and Sylvanas had mythic-only mounts

Raszageth was going to be mythic-only

and they changed it

and it has been changed since

[hard widget]

Yes and u were talking about last xpac

[hasty path]

????

[past pivot]

There were posts from a keymaster about it saying theyweren't sure as your quest logged is erased. Better to be safe

[clever path]

look man, i would understand if you would have something to back up your big talk, but i dont just see it

[clever path]

neither do i see mythic completion

[hard widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-only-sarkareth-mount-customization-in-aberrus-raid-embodiment-of-the-332841

[tender seal]

What i was thinking as well... 17 or 18 BLP now.. would be stupid to throw it out the window to go sexy nightwelf

[hasty path]

maybe take something that isnt insanely outdated

[past pivot]

1. I'm casual. 2) That means fuck all. 3) Glad I got into your head so much. If you want a title so much, go for the elite 1%. Simple as that

[hard widget]

Guess they changed it

Lame

[hasty path]

yeah, the exact same way they did with rasz

[hard widget]

Even less reason to mythic raid zZzZ

[tight steeple]

the rare dragonriding transforms drop on any difficulty in this xpac

[clever path]

Sorry man, but your opinion is even less relevant to me now than it was ever before

[hasty path]

but you dont need rewards for everything

[hard widget]

Oh yeah i dont really care about the mounts

[tight steeple]

You can (still) get the rare raz/sark transfroms from LFR, homie.

[barren dagger]

discrediting someone based on their current m+ score is giga cringe xd

[final birch]

also maybe give some class/spec related rewards for some cutoffs?

[hard widget]

I care more about just pushing m+ or raid

[final birch]

small things

like a weapon transmog for top 1% fury or w/e

[clever path]

okay, but now it got me thinkin

what does a casual player get?

like legit the one that just aint into mythic raid for example

but one that can blast trough 18s, 19s 20s and maybe hard caps at 21

[final birch]

well

aotc mount

and portals

I'm talking somewhere inbetween the title and portals

[hard widget]

It will always be like this, not everyone can get everything. Just like i cant get top % pvp

If you are a casual player you cant expect to be able to gain the top 0.1% title either. People try hard to get that

[clever path]

I am not talking about exclusive mounts and other bollocks

that is for big dik boys and girl

im talking what is there for already for a casual player besides portals

and vault rewards which is a given for anyone really

[hard widget]

You get portals, titles, a mount

[final birch]

meh casual player gets plenty

[hard widget]

Gear

[final birch]

portals are massive W

I regret not playing the game in SL and before

so I could have more portals

[low folio]

most of the games content is casual focused. just sometimes its poorly made

[eternal sundial]

[hard widget]

@clever path It sounds like you are in between what is considered a "casual" and someone who pushes. And yeah there is just not a whole lot for that group extra to gain

top 10% is 2823 score

[covert blaze]

Yeah I'm aware

I've done it

I don't see anything wrong with it

[hard widget]

I dont feel there is anything wrong with it

[oak peak]

I still think there should be a reward for 3k

[hard widget]

But why?

Then the same issue comes at 3k

Why is there no reward for 3.2

Etc etc

[gleaming crag]

Cause it's 1000 more then 2k lol

[eternal sundial]

why none for 4k????

other than m+ title

[hard widget]

Exactly

People will always want more

[covert blaze]

3k seems like a decent milestone, a lot of people struggle to get there

[eternal sundial]

idk 3k was piss this tier

[final birch]

yep

I think I got it week 2

[hard widget]

If the next title / reward would be 3k, then people want something at 3250

[clever path]

But why is it so bad just to get some random shit transmog able that ain’t even new or something

[past pivot]

People go on how 3k is so easy to acquire then say they want special stuff for hitting 3k

[low folio]

i think it would be neat if there were like transmog sets or even just a recolor of the current tier set for getting x rating in M+ something easy

[eternal sundial]

ye same

[clever path]

Akin to how you can get old transmog from doti rise

[final birch]

and I didnt even do keys early

[oak peak]

Pretty big gap between 20s in everything/2500 and the title for 0.1%. 3k is a decent “difficult” place to reach

[final birch]

I just did all portals week 1

[oak peak]

Generally

[acoustic furnace]

Quick question for y'all saying people shouldn't get anything.

Why not? Give me a good reason as to why we shouldn't be rewarded for doing content.

[final birch]

this season is a joke ngl

[hard widget]

Because people already get a mount, like 11 titles, portals, gear

[oak peak]

Easy enough for not the best players, but still requires some work

[clever path]

Because mr 2.7k said it’s just for elite

[final birch]

wait what 11 titles

[oak peak]

And pvp gets multiple mounts and 2 recolors of tier

🤷‍♂️

[hard widget]

Who is mr 2.7k?

[clever path]

Some guy

[acoustic furnace]

Okay but I didn't ask about what we get already. I want to know what would be bad about us getting more.

[oak peak]

Id be happy with just a tier recolor honestly. Just…something

[covert blaze]

I don't think there's "too many" rewards lol

[hard widget]

I think there is

[low folio]

kind of an unreasonable thing to think

[hard widget]

Is the next step getting a mount for every 2 mythic boss kills?

[covert blaze]

That's just hyperbolic

There's too much of a gap between 2500 and title

[oak peak]

I mean you get mythic raid only trinkets and a mount and title and achievements

[hard widget]

It really isnt you are already getting a shit load of titles, a mount and portals

[clever path]

Okay

[low folio]

what titles are you talking about

[hard widget]

Keystone hero xxx

[clever path]

Let me ask you this - why in the end of the dungeon when you are doing a 24 for example you still going to get the same shitty 460 ilvl hero track item that you already have gotten or dont need

why not give something comsetic

[low folio]

thats an achievement

[dull yoke]

HI guys can i ask a question

[oblique trail]

Sure

[covert blaze]

Wanting less cosmetic stuff in a game instead of more is wild

[oak peak]

I just think 3000io is a good equivalent to high pvp. Not gladiator lvl, but something that deserves “something”

[dull yoke]

is it worth craft weapon?

[final birch]

you "only" get 2 titles

[clever path]

and i am not taling tusks of mannaroth - i am talking something like this

[oblique trail]

Not really no

[autumn mica]

Season 2 tier best !

[oak peak]

Hell. Give me an achievement

[final birch]

dreaming and [...] hero

[unique lake]

Depends on what you already have

[hard widget]

You get more loot chance from completing higher and the rewards are pretty much the same all around except for mythic raiding

[oak peak]

You literally get nothing at 3k

[past pivot]

I could care less about 3k. I stopped at 20s after getting my portals after coming back to warrior after maining Augvoker for a season and pushing hard on that toon. In fact, I was planning on letting my sub run out at the end of the month and come back for next xpac when the leggo dropped last week. Now, I guess I'll keep playing and keep pushing keys just to keep playing.
But I'm also not so insecure that I need validation and a prize for every 100 IO points. But I guess my parents loved me and gave my support unlike some obviously insecure people around here.

[clever path]

i am not taling ilvl increase

[final birch]

how does that track to insecurity

[clever path]

or power increase

[final birch]

🤨

[oblique trail]

Generally you want to prioritise embellishments and crafting offpieces, like jewelry, first since they have guaranteed sockets in them and you can pick the stats for them, where it's otherwise a bit more difficult to get well statted jewelry

[covert blaze]

Who asked

[clever path]

he is just silly

all bark and no play

[oblique trail]

However if you already have great jewelry, and your embellishments, then you can argue for crafting a weapon@dull yoke

[hard widget]

But why would we need cosmetics to validate our m+ performance? Maybe its different for other people. But i dont push because i want some silly glow on my weapon that collectors are after

Seems like a very unnescesary thing to do which a lot of people that cant get it will complain about

[oak peak]

Exactly. If you know you cant get the 0.1% title, and get all portals, whats the point of getting past 20s in everything? 3k rewards would give you some kind of something to work towards. 20s in everything is too easy for many, while 0.1% title is too difficult

[final birch]

I dont push for that either but I would still like if there was something

[clever path]

so you would rather just recieve same as always items that you dont need or just disenchant?

[past pivot]

Imagine if we could get this trinket at 489. Stacked with Signet....

[oak peak]

Just need something to fill that gap

[hard widget]

Yes

[dull yoke]

@oblique trail so i should go for ring?

[acoustic furnace]

I'm convinced Jeventes is trolling.

[oblique trail]

I'd prioritise Allied Wrists > Shadowflame cloak/belt (depending on what pieces you got in those slots) > Ring > neck

[hard widget]

Giving out rewards on 3k isnt going to incentivise people to suddenly push. It will just make people grind for the cosmetic and then quite again "because there is nothing to gain"

[oak peak]

It would convince me to

[hard widget]

And then it will be the exact same conversation for 3250 io

[covert blaze]

Yes it would

Lol

[oblique trail]

But as I mentioned. If you already got great pieces in those slots, you can argue crafting a weapon is the better option

[oak peak]

3k is “pushing” for the vast majority

[hard widget]

SO u would keep pushing after 3k if you already received ur cosmetic even tho there is nothing to gain anymore?

[dull yoke]

okay thaks alot 😄 @oblique trail

[oblique trail]

The reason I don't outright recommend crafting a weapon, is because it's going to be lower ilvl than max ilvl possible, and there are plenty of good weapons you can farm from dungeons

[oak peak]

Hell make it 3.2k. I dont care. Just something else

[oblique trail]

Or simply kill Gnarlroot mythic, which should be easy to pug

[acoustic furnace]

Does it matter? Why does it bother you for other players to be rewarded for playing the game?

You one of them weirdos that actually thinks that .1% titles mean anything other than you have too much free time?

[hard widget]

I just think its unnescesary to add more rewards for things that are getting rewarded plenty already

[low folio]

because he doesnt like people wanting things to be added to the game

[tight steeple]

All anyone is asking for is something in between 2500 - a rating you can literally sleep walk into, and the 0.1% cutoff.

M+ basically just has LFR rewards and Mythic, there's no inbetween.

[umbral prairie]

more content bad less content good

[clever path]

lol

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah that's about what it boils down to lmfao

[clever path]

you should work at blizz

[hard widget]

Like i said, i disagree. I dont think extra rewards for random io points is needed

[covert blaze]

Lmao, right?

[clever path]

you disagree because i think you are fixated on it being a power increase or something elite

[acoustic furnace]

How is 3k random? For average people thats a difficult thing to achieve.

[umbral prairie]

Pretty normal class discord take tbh @covert blaze

[clever path]

where as it can be something shitty stinky and meniaal looking

[hard widget]

No not at all, i just dont think everything should always be rewarded

Because there will be no end to it

[oak peak]

Just need to give us something difficult to achieve as a non-meta class. 0.1% title is nearly unattainable as a warrior, but some reward at say 3k or 3.2k would be difficult for most, but possible with a totally non-meta comp

[tight steeple]

Yes there will be. This isn't a slippery slope.

It's bridging a gap.

[hard widget]

Like i said before if people get rewarded at 3k, they'll complain that 3250 has nothing. Then 3300 etc etc

[acoustic furnace]

No they won't

[hard widget]

Thats some copium

[acoustic furnace]

Your brain is lacking wrinkles my friend

[umbral prairie]

Yeah imagine if Challenge mode sets were still a thing, haha id hate that. A slippery slope into cool cosmetics and rewarding players for spending time playing the game.

[limber locust]

thats blizzard problem or?

[low folio]

people will always complain about something. thats not a reason to say every complaint is dumb

[hard widget]

No reason to get disrespectful now, i didnt disrespect you either

[covert blaze]

@hard widget you are a title player right? Why are you against people in between you and keystone hero to get some random cosmetic reward? That's just weird man idk

[oak peak]

Nah. 20s in everything is what, 2700 or something? So theres like a 1000io gap between that and the 0.1% title. Just need something midway to push for

[hard widget]

I just think they did it for a reason, and i dont think adding rewards at 3k is gonna fix anything to people being unhappy about how many rewards they get, because they will just find a new point without rewards

If they add it, i wont be mad about it or anything. I just dont think its needed

[oak peak]

Give it to us at 3.2k then. Thats difficult, and bridges that gap

[clever path]

based

[covert blaze]

No one is saying to add a million milestones like a mobile game, maybe 1 or 2. You are advocating for the game having less content which is very strange

[acoustic furnace]

^

[oak peak]

Some terrible comps can still get that with good players, and basically caps out what those terrible comps are even possibly able to do

[frosty scroll]

what did yall craft besides bracers and cloak?

[hard widget]

The thing that is strange, is that people write this off to help the "casual player" meanwhile they're referring to top 5% which isnt casual at all.

[clever path]

Just you wait and see how blizzard will add mop challenge mode sets lol

[umbral prairie]

i hope not id hate that haha

[low folio]

i mean at that point any rewards past 20s is not needed and pointless which as a pessimist myself, kinda true

[umbral prairie]

that would be bad

[covert blaze]

It's not a help, it's an incentive to play the game more and feel like you're achieving something, since like we stated 2500 is very common but title is ultra rare

[oak peak]

Not to help the casual. Its to help that group that isnt the “best in the world”, but still pretty decent

[acoustic furnace]

This man pays $60 an xpac and $15 a month and wants LESS content. Blizzards wet dream.

[covert blaze]

Rofl

[frosty scroll]

what did yall craft besides bracers and cloak?

[covert blaze]

Rings

[frosty scroll]

i got rings too, unsure wot to go for next

[unreal onyx]

3.2k io druid btw

20 BRH

[oblique trail]

Neck if you don't have a good one already

Otherwise off-pieces

[hard widget]

Which is only 5% ish of players, so why doesnt the top 1% get something? Why not top 10%? U see my point how this will never be enough

[low folio]

balance druids kinda suck the lower the key goes though

[frosty scroll]

i got the tindral neck

[past pivot]

Droptimizer then

[unreal onyx]

there's no way boomies do tank dmg on avg in a 20

[hard widget]

Boomies scale terribly on low key levels

[frosty scroll]

oh ye completely forgot about that, cheers

[low folio]

ive never seen a boomie in a 20 do higher than 200k

[hard widget]

Their ramp takes too long

[unreal onyx]

1st boss 114k dps

[barren dagger]

350k pretty nice for a 20

did u pad bats

[unreal onyx]

last boss below tank at 206k with boost

[unreal onyx]

I applied mark to as many as possible and used lego to see how much dmg it did

but wasn't that much

I could've padded more

[oak peak]

M+ rewards (not counting achievements) are at 2k, 2.5k, ~2.7k (all portals), and then roughly 3.6-3.8k depending on the season. Huge gap in there. Theres a group of people there that gets the reward, can go higher, but has no reason to. That, imo, is stupid. But yeah, thats just me

[acoustic furnace]

No it's not just you.

[oak peak]

And anything under 2k is basically gear/ilvl rewards

[unreal onyx]

I'd like to see some kind of reward for 3k or so

[hard widget]

Blizzard usually does things for the "majority" of the players, which are around those io levels. The player % that goes higher is very little

[oak peak]

Mythic raid isnt for the majority necessarily

[south kayak]

@eternal sundial

[acoustic furnace]

Tinewalking chestM

?*

[south kayak]

No, the actual boss

[acoustic furnace]

Nice

[eternal sundial]

i got this aaages ago

[oak peak]

Id say mythic raiding, especially CE is much harder than 20s in time

[hard widget]

top 40% of m+ player cutoff doesnt even have the first reward

[unreal onyx]

20s are weekly keys, they're not hard

[oak peak]

Even after all nerfs

[south kayak]

I know. I got this unexpectedly today, was going to the raid for full DH set and I got this surprise

[acoustic furnace]

My timewalking chest dropped invincible for me. Went in to gear an alt left with cool mount was very happy.

[south kayak]

nice gz

that's big

i got invincible last year

[acoustic furnace]

Guild mate got mimirons head from theirs and I was big jealous

[south kayak]

yeah, mimiron's head is the only wotlk raid mount i need

and i hate farming ulduar

lmao

[barren dagger]

whats the timewalking chest

[south kayak]

so i don't

[frosty scroll]

fucking real

[low folio]

thats also probably including alts and people that quit too, but ya most people that play wow are not doing much

[acoustic furnace]

Go to Crystalsong Dalaran. Then go to timewalking vendor. Next to him is a quest. You run Ulduar (Raid from Wotlk) and it gives you a piece of heroic timewalking gear (483 ilvl) and a chance at mount.

[subtle goblet]

weekly quest from the fountain in Valdrakken. If you do 5(?) Timewalking dungeons you get a random Normal raid piece (no tier)

[hard widget]

Peoples alts also bring it up again, i got alts above that point it works both ways

[acoustic furnace]

Nope not that one.

[barren dagger]

oh cool will try ulduar

[low folio]

its way more likely that a ton more alts fit in the lower 40% than any would fit in the higher ones

[barren dagger]

i have the loot one from valdrakk yeah

[south kayak]

It's the raid one, from killing Yoggsaron

[low folio]

like alts in higher brackets are more likely like less than 10% of alts

[acoustic furnace]

Just do the raid. It will complete both quests. No dungeons needed.

[hard widget]

There is not a single statistic that can confirm this

[clever path]

life of a fury

[low folio]

still more likely true. casuals have alts more often

[barren dagger]

btw at what key level did you guys start struggling to get in? so far im doing 21s and still okay but assume i'm hitting a hard wall soon?

[hard widget]

25 is starting to get annoying

[grand gazelle]

24 or 25

[drifting spire]

Ditto 25s

[acoustic furnace]

I'm gearing an outlaw rogue. My 460, 1/9H, 800io rogue gets into 16s more easily than my 485, 4/9M, 3000io warrior does.

[upbeat sentinel]

run 20s and then dip

[clever path]

i did it twice

got accepted to a 23 key like a year ago

and was like nope aint working

and it was after wipe on 1st pull

[grand gazelle]

Which is dumb cause fury is actually pretty good in m+ we just don't have buttons other than DMG or stun for 3 sec

[acoustic furnace]

Our damage unfortunately is pretty mediocre.

Other classes beat our damage by a mile AND can handle affixes.

[grand gazelle]

But we are legit unkillable.

[acoustic furnace]

Feelsbadman

[grand gazelle]

Which I like

[acoustic furnace]

Everyone is unkillable if they play well

Survivability only matters if you're making mistakes.

[hollow elk]

water is wet

[grand gazelle]

Fury does have really high DMG mitigation, go check fury logs and their overall mitigated is higher than most other dps specs

If not all

[drifting spire]

Do we have a aoe 250k shield tho

[eager cipher]

That's not for dispute, what is is whether that wins keys. If people play well, it doesn't.

[drifting spire]

Ur not solo in keys

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah I get that. But that is almost completely irrelevant. It helps with AoE and that's about it. Anything else can be dealt with by simply not standing in shit.

[grand gazelle]

Standing in shit on a 26 means death

[acoustic furnace]

And using CC

Yup. So tell me how your mitigation is worth a shit if you'll just die regardless.

Better to bring big dam classes with REAL utility.

[eager cipher]

Or if you're alive but can't kill the mobs/boss in time.

[acoustic furnace]

^

[grand gazelle]

??? It's only a benefit to be one of the tankiest specs in the game

What are you on about

[acoustic furnace]

But it's not enough of a benefit to justify bringing a warrior into high keys.

[clever path]

so you sayin

[grand gazelle]

Yeah and that sad

What I said at the start

[clever path]

you just have to be an internet persona to get invited to high keys

[acoustic furnace]

Naw I'm just gearing an alt so I can actually play the game. Will come back to warrior when they make it relevant again.

[hollow elk]

heh

[hasty path]

I did a key with growl and fandy in s1. She took all the brez and then when I died I got flamed 😦

[acoustic furnace]

Don't run keys w streamers lol them mfs will do the dumbest shit and then get mad when you make a reasonable mistake

[hasty path]

Chat is ruthless bro

[wild mural]

i played w crit 1 time

was fun

[acoustic furnace]

Crit is an exception

[empty thorn]

i raced crit for overall dmg

[hasty path]

My old guild did gaslight a small view streamer into thinking I was famous though. And then even her own friends in discord started going with it

[acoustic furnace]

I'm fr tho if I see any form of "TTV" in someone's name I leave immediately

Jesus himself could set up a webcam and join my key.

I'm still leaving.

[hasty path]

Well nobody who has more than like 10 viewers has ttv in their name

I did keys with ganthion and megasett in s1 and their chats were chill

Just the really big/influencer type streamers have the toxic backseat shitter chats

[clever mural]

Is Fury quite weak ST-wise in the raid? Or do I just suck ballz? 🤔

[acoustic furnace]

We're mid range

I do about 200k on heroic Volocross (only real patchwerk fight this tier)

But I also am an axeless peasant

[clever path]

Warrior over all very bad to mid on charts, fury doing much better than arms oof

[acoustic furnace]

We all shoulda rolled DH or Rogue. Ass rogue was fuckin busted the first few weeks of Amirdrassil until it caught a nerf.

[pliant lantern]

Fury has very good ST, I don't know what people are smoking that are saying otherwise

[past pivot]

I have a DH and a rogue. I enjoy warrior. I play warrior.

[wild mural]

not really I did volcoross and igira and topped the meters

on mythicc

[pliant lantern]

Fury is in the top 5-7 (depending on what st boss you look at) of all specs

Thats very good

[celest sierra]

Tbh na on St we are pretty powerful I pump on ST, tho not as hard as with season 2 tier 😂👀

[eternal sundial]

[pliant lantern]

That chart is useless for looking at ST

If you want to look at ST damage, look at ST bosses

[eternal sundial]

all bosses have to die

[wild mural]

^

[pliant lantern]

All adds have to die too, whats your point?

[eternal sundial]

lets take idk larry

not insane not trash

[pliant lantern]

Now look at Furys overall damage

[eternal sundial]

go 95th pls

this view is aids

[modest condor]

larodar is not a st boss

[pliant lantern]

On a fight with adds where you play aoe talants

[eternal sundial]

i know but volc is the only actual one

[acoustic furnace]

Nymue

Smolderon

[eternal sundial]

adds have to die

smoldo is a dps amp so rankings will be warped

[acoustic furnace]

One add per group so it's still ST

[pliant lantern]

Which we just so happen to be good at

We get cooldowns every damage amp

[acoustic furnace]

Yeah the 1mil+ BBs during amp feels very nice

[eternal sundial]

like im unaware of that

fury isnt trash but warriors needs tuning and i think thats a mutual interest

[pliant lantern]

I fail to see where Fury needs tuning, at least from a raid perspective

I don't do high keys so I have no experience to speak on that

[past pivot]

We need some cleave love.

[violet condor]

^ i love being a 5 target cleave spec beaten by others specs in 5 target cleave (who thenselves are not 5 target cleave but are uncapped)

[clever path]

WARRIOR POWA

i also didnt have

berserker stance for the whole run turns out

[acoustic furnace]

There are multiple affixes that will brick keys if not dealt with.

We can do nothing to help with any of them.

[wooden halo]

can any1 post the NA vote results for fury warrior set lads?

[past pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/current-winning-tier-set-bonuses-and-transmogs-for-dragonflight-season-4-337126?webhook

[wooden halo]

I meant as an ss lads

[pliant lantern]

Please read what I wrote and the sentence after

[pearl junco]

can someone help me out with a top gear sim? I though i had it figured out but after running it and making the changes, its now showing me something else it better...

[acoustic furnace]

"You have no experience to speak on high keys".
Well I do so I did.

[pliant lantern]

Thats pretty common, just means you are within the margin of error on a few setups

[clever path]

ayoooo

season 2

on eu

[barren dagger]

yeah s3 still wins overall

as of this morning

[clever path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EfcMhA8YMYSUi7cRzg3yM

why is my sim telling me to wear rezan?

i thought might + augry is super bis for m+

[acoustic furnace]

It is.

[pliant lantern]

You are simming ST in AoE talents

[clever path]

isnt it pointless to sim dungeon slice

[eternal sundial]

It works but isnt ideal

Try 5t 5 mins

[acoustic furnace]

Ignore the SIM run Augury+Might. Brand+Might is good too but only if you can keep 15 stacks for the entire run.

[clever path]

dont have the brand

:{]

[pliant lantern]

YEah its bit....iffy, but it will skew sim results... you can feel reassured though that Augury + Might for the most part is the best M+ setup

[wooden halo]

Can someone post the NA poll results for fury warrior set? thanks

[barren dagger]

is the damage on "future self: from the mirror trinket supposed to be any good in a key? or is it mainly good for the mastery active?

[acoustic furnace]

It's for the mastery

+3k mastery is a huge damage buff

[barren dagger]

yeah future self did 0.6% of my dmge last key

[hardy cargo]

if you have the ability to get mythic pips its actually very comparable to hc augury for m plus

at least in my sims augury sims worse

not by much within a % but very comparable

[acoustic furnace]

I have a champion Augury

It hurts

[clever path]

i got my augry week 1 from normal raid

[hardy cargo]

I dont have one yet 🙂

no augury or orange stick im in shambles

[acoustic furnace]

I also have no lego

One of the last 2H users in my guild to not have it

That REALLY hurts

[hardy cargo]

we got 1 guy in our guild with it

then some officers friends alt has it

[eternal sundial]

Both warris have it an hpal and then udhk and ret dont for us

[acoustic furnace]

Our main tank (blood DK) and 3 others have it in my guild.

[hardy cargo]

warriors got it first for yall? based

[past pivot]

You were criticizing my casual IO play earlier with that gear? LO-freaking L Now that really made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that. Made my weekend.

[humble plover]

Only I have it in my guild. Other than a trial that looted it this week?

[acoustic furnace]

The 200k sim at 485ilvl has me ded ngl

I thought my 226k was bad but nah guess not

[humble plover]

He's aoe build

[hardy cargo]

he got lots of wrong talents

[acoustic furnace]

ST sims in AoE? Pure gamer

[humble plover]

Gotta know how behind good classes we are on boss dam in keys

[ebon chasm]

226k ST ain't bad I'm 484 and 232k ST sim

[past pivot]

I mean I fully cop to being a casual andy right now. Not done any mythic bosses yet. Not tried to push keys past 20 after getting portals. Worked more having fun and gearing up other toons but still think I can do a respectable amount of damage when needed. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8JjLzPARYPan6uaNFPumqC Maybe I'll be able to get good at 3k io. Probably not tho

[barren dagger]

i thought we were simming for ST as it's the most reliable, regardless of build

i sim myself with my m+ build on ST and adjust that way

[humble plover]

Axe looking thicc

[barren dagger]

damn leggo plus augury 489 plus signet

gaming

[ebon chasm]

Sim as human or dwarf see what increase you get

[quartz hare]

Anyone know any warrior tricks?
Like how devs and get instant pire resets.
Do we have any tricks?

[past pivot]

Hoo-man https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bAo5f5oZmF2d3rfUCzNty8

[hardy cargo]

god damn my gear sucks lol

I can barely break 226

[ebon chasm]

2k dps increase there 🫨

[past pivot]

Hoping to get into some mythic raids when HoF opens. My guild imploded at start of xpac so I raided on Augvoker with another guild but missed warrior so came back to brown and decided to play casually. Just thought it was funny that @clever path went to look at my IO and raid score earlier and was mocking my toon then posted his toon. I was assuming he was 240k+ range. Like roidstack level.

[humble plover]

I want to know who eats more protein

[hardy cargo]

roid

[past pivot]

Roidstack is pure protein so he probably wins by default. Liek a snake eating itself

[pliant lantern]

Your very close to me and my gear is pretty maxed out, just missing mythic trinkets. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dwa3rxrrQ8vHXYDuufjAxZ

[humble plover]

I was stuck under a bus once and roid saved me by picking it up with one hand

[ebon chasm]

God damn augury gamers

It's harder 2 get than the axe I swear

[fleet sorrel]

[hardy cargo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1CGwkVNeftm9m9KzXUFGST

one of these days augury and orange stick

[ebon chasm]

I mean orange stick and Aug is going to add 13k onto your sim ez

[unreal onyx]

did the EU vote get manipulated?

+2k votes in a few hours and all for S2

[eternal sundial]

S1 better

[gusty fern]

do they really play fury ?

[eternal sundial]

11% do

[hardy cargo]

factual

[vivid moth]

eu sving na from itself is all

[unreal onyx]

idk where all the votes from S2 should be coming from

[pliant lantern]

EU trolling, NA trying to save

[humble plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJoi3ZLsaEqzmCuuCJyo7G

230 with the key build? Let's goooo

[unreal onyx]

S2 and S3 were head to head for days

[past pivot]

EU is more oriented toward M+? That would explain S2.

[pliant lantern]

Idk, did Max's video do the rounds?

[unreal onyx]

yesterday already

and it was like +2% for S2

I checked this afternoon and it was still the same

but now within 3h S2 got like +12%

[stuck bison]

season 2 fury letsss go

[ebon chasm]

Wasn't NA S3 far far ahead though

Or what's that now?

[past pivot]

Do you have an Ember? Try that instead of Might for ST. Good option if no Signet or Rezan. Have that mainstat and your leggo likes that static Vers.

[pliant lantern]

Then probably something went on. Hope blizzard has a way of seeing vote manipulation. Like deleting every vote of people that don't have 1 max level char, or are new accounts made in the last week

[unreal onyx]

not bc I am a S3 voter

but I highly doubt all these S2 votes were legit

[humble plover]

This is my key build, I have brand for single target. Can't change it though cuz I'm at work and that's just what I logged down in

[unreal onyx]

+3k votes in 3h

all for 1 season

[pliant lantern]

Fishy

[stuck bison]

well streamers are promoting it and also Max too

[unreal onyx]

they all already did

days ago

[ebon chasm]

Max as in the liquid guy?

[stuck bison]

yes

[ebon chasm]

Why does he give a shi what warriors vote for

[unreal onyx]

he made a vid yesterday already

[gusty fern]

wtf

[pliant lantern]

He doesn't...but its content

[unreal onyx]

he doesn't, but he went through all classes and specs to see which is the best

and got only critcakes take on it

and he is for S2

[humble plover]

I don't think he does, he had a little note thing from what crit said and moved on. Barely mentioned it from what I remember

[past pivot]

gothcha. I use same trinkets for keys. I only have a 476 Rezan so I started using my 483 Ember for most of HC now as fights just don't last that long and it's working well.

[ebon chasm]

Ok

I don't really care either way but I'm enjoying bloodbath crits and it's easier on my hands in S3 🤣

[stuck bison]

he said getting cd's back quickly is fun (rav+reck in this case)

[humble plover]

And I absolutely agree

[pliant lantern]

I agree too...but NOT getting them back because you had a fight mechanic to deal with or downtime and having misaligned cooldowns for the rest of the fight feels omega bad

[humble plover]

That's where the sweat kicks in

[young swan]

u mean despair

[pliant lantern]

I still remember Rashok prog and farm. Getting targeted for a jump and just knowing that my damage all goes out the window for that pull cause my cooldowns won't line up anymore

[young swan]

a train running at full speed that falls behind will never catch back up because it was already running at full speed

[humble plover]

Yes

[young swan]

you just accept you're going to get there late

[unreal onyx]

raid build is full neglected in that vote I feel like

everyone just thinking of m+

[clever path]

i ll devouver you whole

[humble plover]

What a strange sentence to say out of nowhere

[celest sierra]

Season 2 literally is the best for M+ and Raid. (Personal opinion) But from my PERSONAL standpoint i played best with Season 2 style etcv

[solemn widget]

high apm go brrr

[unreal onyx]

S2 is definetly NOT the best for raid

[young swan]

i mean its objectively not the best for raid

[unreal onyx]

apm is also literally the same on S2 and S3

[celest sierra]

like i said its my personal opinion, not speaking for anyone else

[humble plover]

This build is way better, but the other build still did decent and it was just more fun to me

[unreal onyx]

if you subtract HnS inflation

[young swan]

yeah but you cant say its literally the best and call it a personal opinion

[stuck bison]

he means best for himself i think

[wanton mirage]

The best for him prolly and he can say that

[unreal onyx]

then "literally" is wrong still

[young swan]

then he should say that and not "its literally the best"

[unreal onyx]

bc it factually isn't

[young swan]

those are 2 different things

[stuck bison]

it was best for me too

[wanton mirage]

Yeah "literally" is the overused word

[humble plover]

Yeah it's literally overused

[wanton mirage]

People just like to throw that here and there

[celest sierra]

here let me fix it... Season 2 is LITERALLY the best FOR ME

there 🙂

[pliant lantern]

Do you mind me asking what raid difficulty you played at? Don't mean any flame I am just curious to see if its a Mythic problem that caused people to not like the season 2 set

[celest sierra]

Mythic

[pliant lantern]

Fair enough

[celest sierra]

couldnt kill Raz or Sark cause roster boss

this season ive been more M+ orianted cause guild boss haha

[young swan]

its just a parsing on mythic

[celest sierra]

So someone say that season 2 moment you get a mechanic on u where u have to run out, there goes your amp.. Sorry but i mechanic or not mainting amp in season 2 was so good and easy js

[young swan]

s2 was very rng when it came to parsing, if you got a mechanic and reck dropped its over

[celest sierra]

^ i will have to disagree with you on that Xan

[young swan]

why

[unreal onyx]

S2 is straight bad feeling to play in raid

[young swan]

thats literally jsut the way it is

[unreal onyx]

AM can die

[young swan]

ur parse was gone as soon as that happened

[unreal onyx]

get a mechanic that has you moving out = gg

[pliant lantern]

I found the variability on some bosses during prog to be annoying as well, like P2 Sark not always having Ravager back in time for last set of add spawns

[celest sierra]

again talking from a personal standpoint here Xan, to me Season 2, i was basicall full amp 100% of the time even with a mechanic or 2 on me. Cause our abilities lowered the cds of our amp ones... This season waiting for our cds to come back up just doesnt yell Fury to me

[young swan]

yeah i found some annoyances for p1 and p2 of echo as well

[celest sierra]

With lust if u did your rotation right u would get Recklessness twice and by the end of lust it will be be coming back up for the third time

[humble plover]

Hey all of echo is annoying, that shouldn't factor into how The tier is designed

[young swan]

yeah 90% uptime on reck was pretty nornal for fury, but if you dropped below that due to a mechanic you just dont do damage

and you already werent doing damage before that because warrior st was tuned like shit

[celest sierra]

I mean yeh i wont deny our ST wasnt as strong, i still pumped tho but then again that felt more like a tuning issue from blizzards end then ours

[young swan]

no, it wasnt "as strong" it was literally the worst in the game

and thats a symptom of the playstyle more than anything

[pliant lantern]

yeah it was pretty damn low

[stuck bison]

tuning issue

[celest sierra]

AGAIN ^ that is a blizzard tuning issue not us

[pliant lantern]

100%

[stuck bison]

fury didnt get buffs meantime other specs reworked or buffed

[young swan]

evidently a tuning issue ONLY FOR AM

[stuck bison]

we only got aoe buff

[young swan]

cause we have received any tuning since then

and we're not bottom of the barrel now

[stuck bison]

it is just means s3 tier strongs numeracly but they will tune whatever tier wins

[young swan]

s3 is roughly on par with s2, tuning wise

[pliant lantern]

Yeah, was just demonstrating our ST was really bad in Season 2, but its a tuning problem. My problems with the set were at a gameplay level. I just don't like AM.

[young swan]

the difference is in the talent builds

[celest sierra]

Scream , if AM isnt for u then go arms brother. Fury is literally ment for AM

[pliant lantern]

If we have the legendery in Season 4 too, AM is going to feel even worse to play then it already did in raid

[past pivot]

We will

[young swan]

oh yeah am is gonna feel like shit with the lego

100%

[humble plover]

Just don't press it, we barely want to press it as it is

Omegalul

[pliant lantern]

Not going to lie, it probably is going to be an Arms angle since its a "for fun" season

[fringe flame]

I feel like a berserker shouldn't be managing their anger.

[young swan]

not like this is something to worry about anyways

[pliant lantern]

Just going to treat every boss as a target dummy and let everyone else kill adds

[young swan]

s3 is 1k ahead of s2 overall

[stuck bison]

not anymore

[limber locust]

well s2 will feel a lot less bad when you dont have a windfury or?

[barren stone]

its very even in %

[young swan]

?

[pliant lantern]

According to sims, no...in real life, Fury without WF in season 2 was a disaster

[humble plover]

Season 2 doesn't care about wind fury

[celest sierra]

at the end of the day Season 3 locks u into one playstyle one build etc. Season 2 is very diverse

[barren stone]

when was this posted?

[young swan]

no its not lmfao

[barren stone]

a few hours ago wasnt it?

[young swan]

yesterday

[barren stone]

yes

you know that ppl voted during that time right?

[pliant lantern]

Today season 2 got like 3k votes in EU

[barren stone]

yea S2 got a lot of shit done today

[pliant lantern]

In like 2 hours

[humble plover]

I feel pretty locked into one build regardless of the tier so whatever about that

[oblique trail]

You're aware you literally played the exact same build since 10.0.5 right all the way until S3

[deft geyser]

S2 is ahead of s3 now

[celest sierra]

yes it is Xan just look at the different builds u can take lmao in season 3 ur stuck with Annihilator etc with Season 2 u can spread out , onslsought , ravenger, spear, roar even, odyns fury still in there lol

in season 3 u have to go anni

[oblique trail]

?

[stuck bison]

eu

[oblique trail]

Okay sorry Iron you're just trolling

Bad bait