No levels after war within
#fury
void valley
flat river
I like legion numbers though
sullen dove
No levels after war within
void valley
Just ilvl scaling the thousands
void valley
Cus like, would they give more talent points? More hero points? a second hero talent system?
Or like one more row and you get points at 85 and 90 for like
Uber capstones
young swan
Or like one more row and you get points at 85 and 90 for like
prob just gonna get reworks to keep things fresh rather than new nodes, new tiers, new trees
but honestly who knows what they're planning
slim coral
see you when slayer gets annouced
void valley
As much as i want to see it im pretty sure its gonna end up as an annihilator build
Which i like
young swan
cap
void valley
But everyone seems to hate s3 playstyle so
young swan
mog
woven token
young swan
np
upbeat sentinel
They need to remove raid lockouts from expansions more than 1 expansion ago zzz
harsh loom
is there any dwarf warrior youtube? i wanna look at the motions
upbeat sentinel
Tho warband changes will help with farming em
flat river
i theoretically deal 204k at max potential
but i always average at 130k-150k
lol wait witf
why am i simming 10k higher as arms lmao
flat river
real
void valley
WTB enhance that swaps a point over in a melee heavy dungeon
flat river
XD
hoary locust
guys how do u deal with bastion spear in rotation? do u have it macroed with something for easy placement?
share macro plz
upper token
Not sure exactly what you're looking for but if you don't want to 'click it' to place it you can always use a cursor macro
#showtooltip
/cast [known:376079,@cursor]Spear of Bastion
Maybe you can @player it but that would not be a very good idea
quaint stag
@pulsar wing is fine for the most part, it’s not often you don’t want it where you’re currently standing
young swan
Maybe you can `@player` it but that would not be a very good idea
@ player is fine
wild mural
well there was gonna be someone
quaint stag
We used to macro it to avatar or at least I did but you have to be careful that it won’t use the spear if you’re mid gcd
young swan
We used to macro it to avatar or at least I did but you have to be careful that ...
thats not really a thing anymore
wild mural
they nerfed tindral after rat pack spent 1 night on it 
quaint stag
Yeah I know we don’t do it anymore but for ease of use if someone doesn’t care too much about being 100% optimal
fickle bone
Hey guys, I am on smolderon and not sure whats wrong with my settings, but I do not see my spear while i always see other warriors spear. Any idea?
sudden tusk
young swan
particle density turned down + jumping makes spear graphic disappear
hoary locust
spear acts like mage rune? so u need to be in proximity of for buff?
snow edge
You need to be inside it
fickle bone
so they change the name to 'Champion' but cant actually fix it?
snow edge
If you take Elysian Might (which you should, if you're spec'ing into Spear)
hoary locust
do we track spear buff so i can know when iam inside of it and not stepping away?
snow edge
You can if you want, otherwise just rely on the visual
hoary locust
is it really that strong in ST or i can choose roar and forget about spear and playing around it?
stiff barn
snow edge
Yeh it's like 1%~
How you play the fight has a much bigger impact on DPS; so assuming you feel more comfortable playing Roar / play more optimally with it, you likely won't notice a DPS difference
hoary locust
so due to dps variance i never can know in real fight if spear would do more?))
if i sim 224k spear vs 222 roar.
young swan
if you arent confident if your ability to use spear optimally, then yes, roar would likely be better
snow edge
Yeh tbh, you likely won't be able to notice the difference; if you committed to playing spear (on the fights where it's better) and were proficient in using it, you'd eventually notice the difference
But if you're just playing / raiding casually, and have been using Roar / feel more comfortable with it, no need to switch
hoary locust
ok
runic pine
Spear pretty easy to play around tbh
Assuming it’s a fight that’s not movement heavy
Just get 4 BBs in spear and it will beat roar
hoary locust
oh ok, need to practice it.
flat river
fuck annighalator, all my bros agree
and say real
hoary locust
coz according to volkoross myth logs all top fury play with spear.
runic pine
It’s honestly pretty easy, not much to practice
hoary locust
and only few with roar
so macroing it with avatar safe bet? or there is some cicrumstances where its not optimal
?
runic pine
Reck>charge>ramp>OF>spear>BB>ramp>BB>Ava>ramp>bb>ramp>bb
runic pine
so macroing it with avatar safe bet? or there is some cicrumstances where its no...
No you don’t want to do that
hoary locust
separate button then?
runic pine
Yes
hoary locust
damn need to find that hotkey then..
runic pine
Never want spear and avatar macrod
hoary locust
can u explain it little bit further?
runic pine
Avatar casts Odyn’s fury
You’re going to lose casts of OF if you send avatar first
You OF and then avatar after the original OF falls off
runic pine
Secondarily if you send avatar and spear together you’re probably going to lose empowered BB casts/not get 4 of them in spear
hoary locust
ok
runic pine
Reck>charge>ramp>OF>spear>BB>ramp>BB>Ava>ramp>bb>ramp>bb
You can hold spear for a little bit for CDs so you can just repeat this opener for every spear set minus the charge portion
hoary locust
ok ty
runic pine
But the tldr is you always wanna send a ramp>OF then spear so your first global is going to be a BB and you can fit 4 empowered BBs in the window
hoary locust
btw all guides suggest reck before charge. but do we loose reck 1 seconds coz global during charge?
hoary locust
But the tldr is you always wanna send a ramp>OF then spear so your first global ...
ok fine
runic pine
Also something to keep in mind if you’re playing ashen jugg in execute you’d usually bb>exe>ramp but if you’re in spear window drop execute until after spear cuz 4 BBs is more important
runic pine
btw all guides suggest reck before charge. but do we loose reck 1 seconds coz g...
Whatever you lose in the uptime of reck isn’t important
You’d lose more damage spending 2 globals to get to a ramp
hoary locust
Also something to keep in mind if you’re playing ashen jugg in execute you’d usu...
good point. tnx. ye i play ashen
runic pine
You’re genuinely not losing much time at all by sending reck and charge at the start of a pull
hoary locust
You’re genuinely not losing much time at all by sending reck and charge at the s...
iam afraid i lose some time coz my fingers wont be fast enough to press charge after reck xD
runic pine
fuck annighalator, all my bros agree
and say real
That’s what I said until I actually played it
It’s not bad
hoary locust
Also something to keep in mind if you’re playing ashen jugg in execute you’d usu...
when in execute range i press exe ramp bb exe ramp bb. its same what u said or its wrong?
runic pine
Bloodbath>execute>ramp
final delta
iam afraid i lose some time coz my fingers wont be fast enough to press charge a...
u can macro reck and charge to do both at the same time since reck is off gcd
runic pine
Yikers
flat river
(Don't ban me plz)
flat river
If u look at my search history u'd see how desperate i am
runic pine
Just bb/bt every other gcd and don’t send ramp unless you’re about to drop enrage or you’re like at 100-110 rage
Rotation is super smooth if you get into those habits
flat river
Just bb/bt every other gcd and don’t send ramp unless you’re about to drop enrag...
i dont like slam
runic pine
How is it different than RB?
runic pine
hoary locust
is there some golden rule of bb ramp ratio?
like i seeen somewhere it should be 1 to 1?
so i can check my log and undeerstand where do i fuck up
fading sky
Tbh i prefer season 3 a lot but lets be honest season was also great to play
runic pine
like i seeen somewhere it should be 1 to 1?
You can’t bb more than once because it’s only available after a ramp
If you ramp twice but only bb once you fucked up
You should always bb before sending another ramp if you can ramp again
glad plover
I voted season 2, if they buff tier set for season 3, or make some changes to Odyns Fury, then we can talk about keeping current tier set going otherwise, it is by far worst 5 target cleave set in the dragonflight.
runic pine
It’s not but ok
void valley
Its more a fury cleave problem than a tier
runic pine
We’re one of the best specs on an intermittent cleave fight
Coincidentally the most important cleave fight
Fyrakk
void valley
Oh i was talking like dungeon yeah smaller target counts its better
runic pine
Now if you’re talking m+, we’re still one of the better specs
Just because you’re not mage, dh, lock or rogue doesn’t mean you’re a shit spec
glad plover
We’re one of the best specs on an intermittent cleave fight
I am not talking about "aoe" I am talking about sustainable cleave outside of CDs. Fury is awful if you pull lower number of targets in M+.
void valley
Yeah but when they hit 600k and i only hit 400 i feel bad
Its also a me problem but
Im working on it
runic pine
Yeah but when they hit 600k and i only hit 400 i feel bad
And yet you still both end up somewhere between mid 200k to high 200k
runic pine
Just because you don’t burst as hard doesn’t mean you don’t do similar damage
It’s a difference in damage profile
terse ether
last throne run
you will improve mate , dw 🙂
just learn a little better how t align your cds and you are gucci
and try not to die because a dead dps is a bad dps
runic pine
I am not talking about "aoe" I am talking about sustainable cleave outside of CD...
In smaller target counts you would do better than the “more meta” specs
void valley
I also forgot to have the right trinkets so i had augry/spiked instead of augry/ocean
runic pine
You lose far less than they do for smaller target counts
languid echo
i dont like slam
Oof I don't like Bloodthirst/Bloodbath being out of the rotation and losing out on self sustain due to using BT as a finisher
runic pine
It’s completely possible for you to compete and excel, this is even with a DC on last boss
glad plover
In smaller target counts you would do better than the “more meta” specs
BS take, season 2 teir set allowed us to have consistent amount of strong cleave damage on every pack, even multiple times at the same pack, it did less burst, but overall equated to much larger overall damage in dungeons. Season 3 hugely depends on Odyns Fury and Avatar, and Odyns Fury on 20 sec, simply cant replace combination of Rec and Ravager on same cooldown. Season 3 was massive nerf to our overall damage contribution.
void valley
Yeah t3 makes me feel invincible with BT healing
runic pine
BS take, season 2 teir set allowed us to have consistent amount of strong cleave...
Season 2 single target was in the shitter in m+. You have OF at least once a pack every pack if not more and you’re going to have Ava/reck at least every other pack
And again
This all hinges on the idea that you can’t build exactly like you did in S2
(You can)
glad plover
Odyns Fury is very weak compared to Ravager Rec cleave.
runic pine
You can play ravager am
wooden halo
came to spice things up, if u vote for s3 set bonus, please talk to a loved one
glad plover
Sure, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, why would you go Ravager and OF
willow cradle
Sure, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, why would you go Ravager and OF
It is surprisingly not that far off from Anni
runic pine
“Why would I do exactly what I’m asking for when it would shoot my argument in the foot?”
glad plover
Our current tier set is OF focused, you cant pick OF Onslaught and Ravager at the same
runic pine
Go ask Xan for the build
void valley
This one?
rich flame
there's a fury on forum claiming he got a second dreamrender quest, can anyone confirm its possible to get a second axe?
runic pine
Looking at the tree you can absolutely run OF, rav and am at the same time
glad plover
So you want to tell me, you think its good idea to put 4 massive CDs on a fury warrior?
wooden halo
there's a fury on forum claiming he got a second dreamrender quest, can anyone c...
send post
runic pine
So you want to tell me, you think its good idea to put 4 massive CDs on a fury w...
I don’t even know what you want anymore
glad plover
How is this build going to help us with sustain, or single target?
runic pine
If you want sustain and single target that’s what the s3 build is…
The normal one
S2 build was neither of those
And neither is the s3 am/rav build
languid echo
Also wish Vers was always one of our 2 top stats. Love the damage reduction, damage done and healing effects
glad plover
Its not, its season 2, as I said ravager and rec, with 1.5 min Avatar, made Fury spec that did consistant damage over entire dungeon, we did not have burst but we had reliable damage on every pack and every boss.
flat river
take onslaught instead
void valley
I literally only know of this weird ass build from looking at cd placement on lorrgs
Cus its the top gnarl guy
Like
Get it i guess
He runs it for everything tho i think
runic pine
I really don’t know how you can feel like we don’t have consistent damage rn
OF is up all the time in m+
Reck/ava/roar is up every other pack or every pack depending on key level
runic pine
You def have it on bosses
slim coral
I want a cool ability
hoary locust
guys when i cast Ava at pull after OF ? 1)when of ava have 0.01 sec remaining or 2) when ava from of fallen off completely and i cast ava 0.01 sec after?
or it doesnt matter that much
slim coral
Cast before avatar falls off
hoary locust
Cast before avatar falls off
coz why?
slim coral
Because you don’t want avatar to fall off
flat river
real
hoary locust
what happens if its falls of for 0.01 sec?
slim coral
I’m getting sleepy listening to Xan Yap
flat river
not real
shy knot
S3 is nice and but s2 was better for keys
flat river
@young swan yap all u want
shy knot
Felt perfect
slim coral
what happens if its falls of for 0.01 sec?
You lose buff
shy knot
The KACHING
runic pine
guys when i cast Ava at pull after OF ? 1)when of ava have 0.01 sec remaining ...
You should be casting it after OF dot falls off target
slim coral
Of dot falls of same time
shy knot
The downtime we have rn is weird
slim coral
As avatar falls of
shy knot
And pressing slam in st
slim coral
Both are 4 seconds
flat river
should i take dancing blades in mythic+?
runic pine
Do it?
slim coral
Ye
runic pine
I be too stoopid to see
shy knot
should i take dancing blades in mythic+?
Its a dps increase
slim coral
should i take dancing blades in mythic+?
Yes
runic pine
ye to me or to griff
Ye
flat river
oki
slim coral
Db is BiS
shy knot
But feels shittier to play
slim coral
Getting we stacks does nothing
shy knot
Charge+of is fun
hoary locust
Of dot falls of same time
so basically i dont need to track OF dot on target , just watch after 4 sec OF avatar?
shy knot
Get a wa
runic pine
Getting we stacks does nothing
It’s also an OF damage increase in fairness
shy knot
Mine tracks it
flat river
good?
slim coral
so basically i dont need to track OF dot on target , just watch after 4 sec OF ...
Ideally you just watching dancing blades buff and press avatar after 4 seconds has passed
slim coral
Xantaga is putting me into slumber
slim coral
or should i take bloodcraze
Bloodcraze
flat river
oki
clever belfry
it only makes it so u cant miss
dodge doesnt exist anymore for bosses
parry still happens
glad plover
I really don’t know how you can feel like we don’t have consistent damage rn
We do not, go out and test it on dummies, you do 1mil burst and then over next min and a half you will go to almost 400k ,in season 2 you did strong burst but continued to keep high for next 1.5 minutes. Odyns fury simply cant compare to combination or Rec and Ravager when it comes to sustainable damage
runic pine
We do not, go out and test it on dummies, you do 1mil burst and then over next m...
We sit sustained at a number very similar to what we hit in overall damage at the end of the key
glad plover
We sit sustained at a number very similar to what we hit in overall damage at th...
this is rank 1 log on Volcorosss
glad plover
And this is rank one log on Kazzara
clever belfry
the damage profile is not why s3 is ass
glad plover
See how low our damage drops outside of CDs
clever belfry
the gameplay is :)
glad plover
That is sustain i am talking about
runic pine
And this is rank one log on Kazzara
Do you not see how much more spiky kazzara is?
clever belfry
youd rather have more of your damage condensed into burst cause uptime doesnt fuck you as hard then
runic pine
There’s like 3 noticeable spikes on volcoross
glad plover
Spikes exist on same places do to Avatar window, see how low our damage Drops In Season 3 when we do not have Odyns Fury
hushed ocean
S3 gameplay is way better than S1 or S2
glad plover
Also you have more spikes on Kazzara, given that every 20 sec we have Rec Ravager, this leads to more consistent DPS during entire fight
runic pine
Fury really had it good on kazzara
It has it really bad on volcoross
Them CDs really fuck us huh
glad plover
Yeah you only need Legendary to be 4th, such a good design.
cosmic lance
tbf that's more a tuning issue than anything to do with the tier set or s2 vs s3
The whole argument is do you want to play s1/2/3 style of play because the numbers need to be adjusted regardless
And its a crap shoot whenever they have to tune
runic pine
Didn’t have Lego for any of these which is around what the average is there
glad plover
Odyns fury does way too little damage to compare with sheer pressure you will have with Rec Ravager in M+.
cosmic lance
Almost everyone i've seen pushing for s2 has never said warrior was in a better spot in s2 - it's that its more fun and if they have to retune for balancing they'd rather be tuned around the season 2 playstyle
void valley
I thought the set tuning was only s1
olive wraith
Whatever wins gets “tuned”
void valley
Ahh okay
cosmic lance
^
olive wraith
S2 is the m+ set s3 is the raid set
fallen quest
Set tuning for season 1: execute buffed by 9000%
olive wraith
S1 needs a miracle to compete
tepid shore
S1 can't compete unless it gets drugs, sex, and money for playing it.
olive wraith
Thing is. I’m pretty sure s3 is better at m+ than s2 does on st
runic pine
Odyns fury does way too little damage to compare with sheer pressure you will ha...
Is that so?
olive wraith
So if you’re taking both into account. S3 is just better
cosmic lance
If they played s2 and buffed us to have relevant ST in that spec, the aoe wouldp probably be very competitive
olive wraith
If we got s3 and they buffed aoe we would also be competitive
runic pine
Pretty sure OF fucks
olive wraith
Argument goes both ways my friend
clever belfry
Lets just gloss over hurricane yep
glad plover
Is that so?
Hahah, you do understand you have damage buff during Ravager and you have Avatar every Rec
cosmic lance
They're less likely to buff aoe imo
olive wraith
Why?
runic pine
Hahah, you do understand you have damage buff during Ravager and you have Avatar...
It’s not lost on me
glad plover
Abilities themself do not do more damage, your rotation does more damage during Ravager Rec window
olive wraith
It’s easier to buff aoe than it is to deal with st/meat cleaver tuning
runic pine
But you’re also forgetting OF gives avatar
cosmic lance
Why?
because they typically tune around raid and single target weighting with m+ as an afterthought
glad plover
Hurricane increased our STR up to 20-25% at the end,
olive wraith
And they typically haven’t buffed warriors
cosmic lance
Also that
olive wraith
We have no clue what they have in mind for tuning
cosmic lance
I don't know why they don't just bandaid fix us with meat cleaver % buffs in the interim
olive wraith
They’ve also gutted spriest because their dominance in s2
That would be logical lol
cosmic lance
spriest fell off because they lost tier set as well afaik
runic pine
OF=14% overall in that
Ravager=11%
stuck bison
S2 is the m+ set s3 is the raid set
what a bad take
cosmic lance
They went from an AoE heavy set to an ST set bonus
olive wraith
How’s that a bad take
cosmic lance
On top of some nerfs
void valley
Almost there yay
runic pine
There’s a lot more in there that has shifted
olive wraith
They went from an AoE heavy set to an ST set bonus
So did we
runic pine
But overall I don’t think S2 is as good as you think or more accurately s3 is as bad as you think
cosmic lance
Different class, different interactions
Different amounts of borrowed power
Not all tier bonuses are equal in all content just because they're aoe or st oriented
stuck bison
How’s that a bad take
ravager which is aoe gives hurricane buff st also, odyns fury whics is aoe buffs bb/bt single target also
stuck pewter
I just got the legendary, and am wondering when to use it on ST and AOE? I heard someone say it was just a filler and you use it out of your cds on pull, and aoe you pop it when you dont have any cds aswell
runic pine
Yea press it on Cd outside of CDs
olive wraith
ravager which is aoe gives hurricane buff st also, odyns fury whics is aoe buffs...
S2 single target damage was relatively weak
runic pine
When it won’t get you killed anyways
olive wraith
This season is much better single target
stuck bison
S2 single target damage was relatively weak
because we didnt get buffs unlike all other specs. it isnt nothing to do sith tier.
stuck pewter
When it won’t get you killed anyways
yea
cosmic lance
Either way you go we're at the mercy of tuning. I just think you've probably got a better shot of having relevant ST
And them glossing over m+ tuning
olive wraith
We haven’t been buffed since s2
runic pine
This season is much better single target
Wait but if we have much better single target then we’d have much better sustain cleave
Couldn’t possibly be the case based on what’s been being said in here
olive wraith
Not quite with the sustained cleave
Since the tier bt doesn’t cleave
That’s our st strength
runic pine
More specifically that we just stay around a sustained damage number
We don’t particularly burst hard
stuck bison
S2 single target damage was relatively weak
s2 2nd set bonus was huge for st dps gain but spec was weak. they buffed annilator playstyle thanks to the Archi. they made lots of changes leads to huge buff to annilator
runic pine
In aoe
olive wraith
This season?
runic pine
This season?
This season compared to s2
olive wraith
A bt hit ever 15 seconds that did 150k damage wasn’t huge st
olive wraith
hoary locust
guys, when sudden death procced during opener (avatar and reck runing) do i cast it or ignore it?
cosmic lance
You pretty much ignore it unless you cant bb/ramp
runic pine
guys, when sudden death procced during opener (avatar and reck runing) do i cast...
Ignore basically
olive wraith
s2 2nd set bonus was huge for st dps gain but spec was weak. they buffed annilat...
Show me the buffs. All they did was change RA so be consolidated
To prevent ramp bt only rotation
Didn’t we get a 4% aura buff in s2
runic pine
Pretty sure ye
void valley
I love that this tooltip is wrong
olive wraith
Maybe that was the end of s1
hoary locust
btw new patch hit on next reset and i dont see tuning of classes yet. they do it on monday or this patch just recolor/loree stuff casual shit?XD
olive wraith
They haven’t done a tuning announcement
tardy lark
Tuning is perfect 👍
olive wraith
I think there were pvp stuff
hoary locust
but it was expected no?xD by me at least xDD
olive wraith
We all collectively cope
clever belfry
Tuning is perfect 👍
olive wraith
One other thing I dislike about s2 is ravager moves like a moron.
That needs to get fixed if s2 wins
wooden halo
can some1 post US for fury bonus votes please?
tardy lark
Woo
tardy lark
can some1 post US for fury bonus votes please?
They are both in pins
olive wraith
S3 looks like it’s gonna win
clever belfry
cannot see results tho fam
log in and vote
tardy lark
Muricans are dumdum on the votes if that’s what you’re asking
wooden halo
U ever considered the possibility that I am on EU and already voted?
clever belfry
No
wooden halo
this discord never ceases to amaze me lmao
clever belfry
😎
wooden halo
Muricans are dumdum on the votes if that’s what you’re asking
assumed as much they voted for biden after all KEKW
clever belfry
🥦🥦🥦🥦
wooden halo
S3 Fury voters = Biden voters
void valley
clever belfry
Senile dumbass
vs
Senile racist
wooden halo
jesus christ what is wrong with y'all
tardy lark
Let’s not make it political lol
void valley
Whats EU
tardy lark
Gonna need a little less edge on that
wooden halo
eh not tryna be political, same statement can be made for any countries' president
wooden halo
Post eu results
olive wraith
People are expecting eu to not matter
void valley
They split the vote, US S3 will make it win
tardy lark
Yeah can’t win em all
wooden halo
how many voters in total in US atm?
void valley
6622
fiery jetty
They split the vote, US S3 will make it win
😔😔😔
wooden halo
welp time to play arms then
void valley
Basically the same
fossil hatch
cooking these frauds with ravager
wooden halo
wait wah post us arms please
void valley
wooden halo
for EU, I think it may be a close call
void valley
Might as well get on arms now for practice
tardy lark
NA should feel bad 
void valley
WE ARE AMERICA
AND WE OWN THE FINISH LINE
wooden halo
have been on arms forever, wanted to go fury but jesus lord guess people really love this season's clunky, distasteful tier set
olive wraith
Idk doesn’t feel clunky to me
void valley
Would love to play arms if it wasnt clunky to begin with
olive wraith
And the tier has more flavor than s2
wooden halo
waiting for rage on rampage when you press bt+slam+ww and theres a 0.75 buffering window sometimes, that gives me the literaly definition of a very bad illnes that I dont want to name
olive wraith
Don’t really run into that issue often
fossil hatch
flavor lmao
oblique trail
This downtime is very overly exaggerated how often it happens
olive wraith
flavor lmao
S2 you interacted with it once every 15 seconds
S3 you interact 3 times every 20
It’s slight but it’s there
oblique trail
If you play the rotation right, you'll have this tiny downtime like once a fight
oblique trail
In aoe its slightly more frequent
wooden halo
we clearly arent playing the same game then dunno what to tell you lads. Playing 160apm frenchcore techno fury warrior s2 into this just feels sad. Guess we waiting for war within huh
stuck bison
S2 you interacted with it once every 15 seconds
there is no way dude. you are y exaggerating now. we had %90+ reck uptime
olive wraith
I’m just comparing the 2 sets
void valley
Dont play anni version then
olive wraith
That was roughly the time between bt casts
void valley
Theres like
olive wraith
Obv there’s variance
oblique trail
we clearly arent playing the same game then dunno what to tell you lads. Playing...
We are and I can also listen to frenchcore during raid and m+ and still feel the spec is fast paced 🤷♂️
wooden halo
my man not playing the anni version is a major dps loss, if it was up to me Id play SMF but dontn wanna get benched
wooden halo
We are and I can also listen to frenchcore during raid and m+ and still feel the...
m+ feels not bad due to cd between pulls but dunno man guess I fell in love with s2 too hard
olive wraith
I agree with archi. People loved am not the set
fossil hatch
A whole 3 guys
ravager bis fr fr
olive wraith
Am do be fun
oblique trail
Like the s3 playstyle is just whatever, I dont like or dislike it, but I dont feel like logging in to play either just to play
olive wraith
Well ya they kinda go together
wooden halo
any1 has a build link for that ravager setup? curious about the dps difference gotta sim
fossil hatch
any1 has a build link for that ravager setup? curious about the dps difference g...
for m+ or st?
wooden halo
for m+ or st?
st
stuck bison
any1 has a build link for that ravager setup? curious about the dps difference g...
it will probably 20k st dps loss
olive wraith
I still wish they would let us know how they intend to change the tiers tuning
Instead of blindly voting coping that they’ll do good
mossy fox
s3 rav am has not felt good to me, i've tried to make it work but nah
wooden halo
boss man is here pog
olive wraith
The 3 second bt feels weird
wooden halo
I like the overall idea about putting incentive over BT, however it just feels bad having to press slam+ww instead of ever ccharging raging blow for filler
olive wraith
Yes cause they’re all tuned so well right now
jolly mist
as any others of the class or as any other classes
olive wraith
That doesn’t tell us anything
wooden halo
Ruins the core of fury warrior button smash
stuck bison
That doesn’t tell us anything
xdd
olive wraith
“Fury gets a .5% aura buff”
wooden halo
LMAO
olive wraith
We have basically the same apm now though
mossy fox
S2 and s3 are practically same apm, dont know why this argument is brought up all the time
wooden halo
*yOu GuYs wIlL hAvE fAatEd fYRalAtH We CaNnNot bUff ThE SpEc/cLaSsS" I can already see it coming ngl
stuck bison
as any others of the class or as any other classes
any other tier set for your spec
mossy fox
difference is you mash your keys more than you need to
wooden halo
fated sylvanas bow? exactly like that I assume
jolly mist
thats why its not unique equipped
wooden halo
difference is you mash your keys more than you need to
Theres a split buffer window between when everything is off. In which u press bt+slam+ww +bt and not have enough rage for rampage, and having slam+ww on cd. It is that sole reason why I legit cannot play the spec
Apm wise ofc its the good ol' spanking but the feels not there
olive wraith
Ye playstyle is subjective
wooden halo
Whereas on s2, u just would press raging blow and onsl if it was down
olive wraith
Like I probably would play arms more in m+ if they didn’t feel so squishy
void valley
Arms dropping spell reflect because they have too much rage
mossy fox
i was responding to the comment about carpal tunnel
not the playstyle
im team s2 after all
wooden halo
im team s2 after all
the god has spoken
void valley
ESDF meta
wooden halo
thats the whole point of the spec tho aint it, hope u get better medically though thats messed up
mossy fox
i dont excessively spam my buttons, i have comfortable easy to reach keybinds for my main abilities, good posture prolly helps too
fiery jetty
We need to be together and do a post in blizz pagee... The community of war fury need to talk all of US !!! And write that we want to upgrade the cap of 5 target to 8 target that we want love!!! That we want tunning buff!!!! We play in retail hardcore because is hard be a good fury
mossy fox
i play hours upon end without any problems
olive wraith
Best of luck with that friend
olive wraith
I hope you can negotiate buffs for us
mossy fox
i'd prefer just being tuned to be very good at 5 targets rather than uncapping us
void valley
Make having WW stacks cause autos to cleave without consuming
mossy fox
but as it stands we get beaten on 5 by classes with a higher target cap than us
olive wraith
Crank up the meat cleaver. And extend the duration:damage on OF
cosmic lance
It really is an issue of us blasting for the first 10-15 seconds of a pull and then you're basically swinging wet noodles around until CDs come back
olive wraith
Small aura buff while we at it
void valley
Kinda
olive wraith
100% is too much lol
olive wraith
Just being real haha
cosmic lance
Meat cleaver % buff would bandaid fix the 5 target damage issue until they can work a more innovating solution if thats what's needed
void valley
55% base with 10% bonus per consumed stack until you run out
cosmic lance
Could easily make it 65 or 70% so you're not better than arms on 2t
olive wraith
Ya don’t wanna overlap arms niche
We were already encroaching on their execute shtick
cosmic lance
Problem with allowing the tier set to cleave is that goes away when we lose the tier set and you end up needed fixes again
stuck bison
while at it buff sweeping strikes for arms too. increase it for 1 more target
olive wraith
Problem with allowing the tier set to cleave is that goes away when we lose the ...
That’s the case with like every tier though
cosmic lance
I'd prefer it to be addressed at a class level and have the tier set tuned around that
void valley
I would be fine with losing jugg and massacre if it buffs up the rest of the class
olive wraith
Gotta adjust with what the current kit is
clever path
Arms is for elderly gamers
void valley
Keep arms the 35% and 2tc, Fury the consistent and 5tc
mossy fox
I'd prefer it to be addressed at a class level and have the tier set tuned aroun...
fury's s2 set was well above average for % dmg increase - fury was very high prio for getting tier first then. s3 was even bigger than s2
so yeah our base just isnt that good atm
past depot
Hey all, quick question, where should i be using the fyrak legendary on use affect in my rotation?
(if at all)
cosmic lance
Outside of your CD windows
void valley
When you have nothing else to do i think
stuck bison
Hey all, quick question, where should i be using the fyrak legendary on use affe...
check the pins
past depot
yeah i was thinking that, but wasnt sure haha
stuck bison
btw gratz on legendary i dont envy you at all
past depot
haha cheers! got it on wednesday during normal raid haha
thing still costs like 300kish
clever path
stuck bison
nice. normal huh. i ll try that strat next week. i tried naowh strat ''tag boss die'' didnt work
past depot
i just tried on normal cause do heroic with guild on thursday and optimistic me thought maybe i can do all the quests before heroic raid lmao
stuck bison
thing still costs like 300kish
better than 1mils. it was a crazy times people panic buying
autumn mica
We need to be together and do a post in blizz pagee... The community of war fury...
Goodluck with that ! 🙏
azure holly
avoiding overcap is higher prio than BT and execute, or?
including with tier procs etc
past depot
yeah i dont have much money comapred to some, but im frugal and had like 430k saved
just glad i could afford it haha
flat river
LF warriors to do +20 ataldazar (EU)
stuck bison
We need to be together and do a post in blizz pagee... The community of war fury...
thats been made in s3 ptr. some top warriors made a beatiful feedback to wow ptr forum but none of them feedback come alive. it is just like blizz dont care much or we cant make right and strong feedback
clever path
dps sure
flat river
are u daddydagoth
clever path
yea
wise torrent
Buying the war within base edition I'll get the 70 boost immediately right?
pliant lantern
Kinda sad about the timings of the Tindral nerfs. Just got to P3 last night, highly doubt we can convert that into a kill before Wednesday.
rose sparrow
Buying the war within base edition I'll get the 70 boost immediately right?
yes that should be the case
clever frost
What blp are you guys on ATM? Me and a guildmate are both on 16 according to a wa that tracks it.
Wondering if it is capped or just rng
fossil hatch
12
merry jetty
Is signet really that strong? Only does like 2% dps, while i see some trinks doing up to 10 on other classes
oblique trail
Is signet really that strong? Only does like 2% dps, while i see some trinks doi...
You must be looking at a short raid fight or in a key where the stacks drop
In raid it has to ramp and in keys you need to maintain the stacks otherwise it falls off
still swift
🤓 guys i have to use this toy to extend my signet brand stacks pls dont kill the soul or i cant keep my stacks
mossy fox
yes it's strong but only if it has time to stack up to 15, so basically any 4min+ fight
oblique trail
In raid I wouldn't use Brand in any fight that lasts under 4 minutes, and in keys I generally wouldn't use it at all (unless you're doing high tyrannical keys and can maintain the stacks)
oblique trail
🤓 guys i have to use this toy to extend my signet brand stacks pls dont kill th...
stfu
bakanani
still swift
ok sry bamzi san
modest condor
just get good rng and stack it up in 1:30
red yew
In raid it has to ramp and in keys you need to maintain the stacks otherwise it ...
Ugh I hecking LOOOOVE this design 🥰
oblique trail
OWS moment
still swift
one of the dhs i know stacked their brand to 15 before first fyrakk intermission
red yew
I love buffs that drop out of combat!!!
mossy fox
you should also remember that signet brand is a str trinket, so it's better than it looks on details
merry jetty
What are the alternative bis trinkets then after signet
oblique trail
In keys Augury > Ember prob
There are other alternatives but those 2 in particular when it comes to passive trinkets
still swift
yea augury is cool
oblique trail
Augury for damage, Ember for less damage but defensive benefit as well as consistency
cosmic lance
Ember is surprisingly good
still swift
bamzi would agree with how good it is if he had it 
modest condor
nice champion track trinket
mossy fox
L
sour frigate
what is this cursed group
gay club
vague copper
you cant buy anything for your alts now right? As in gear och send over currency
Excl. AH
wise torrent
Shouldn't I add Avatar into the offensive macro?
1.2.1. Offensive Cooldown Macro
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use Recklessness
/use Blood Fury
/use Berserking
/use 13
/use 14
no
static root
you want to avatar after odyns
wise torrent
hmm
So I Recklessness -> charge -> odyns -> avatar -> rotation?
Do you macro odyn and avatar together??
static root
Reck charge bt rampage odyns rotation until odyns debuff is gone and then avatar
wise torrent
Played warrior last season, I dont think odyn and avatar were a thing
clever path
Do you macro odyn and avatar together??
no
you never do that
avatar gives you another odyn
wise torrent
oh ya I missunderstood, got it now
static root
You dont need bt actually when you reck charge u can pop rampage for enrage and insta odyns
flat river
do you guys macro your starting burst?
wise torrent
what t30/t31 stands for?
static root
We have like 7 buttons, so not really
static root
what t30/t31 stands for?
Set piece bonus
wise torrent
oh, guess thats new as well 😅
flat river
basically
wise torrent
the set bonus that is
gleaming kestrel
#449510248579858432 message guys can u check my log 😦
wise torrent
Do you guys mind sharing your key-binding?
so I'll have a starting point to work from
oblique trail
Our keybinding doesn't really help you
Some people have some insane wacky binds that work for them
but will be extremely awkward for someone else
Place your main abilities in comfortable places where you wont have to strain your hand and wrists to reach them
wise torrent
Place your main abilities in comfortable places where you wont have to strain yo...
Rampage / Onslaught / Bloodthirst these ones right?
oblique trail
Onslaught isn't used anymore
pure echo
Do you guys mind sharing your key-binding?
so I'll have a starting point to work...
I could share mine, but tbh you’re better off looking at amount of casts on WCL, priority, and adjusting to what’s most comfortable to you.
For example abilities I press often are usually bound to Q, E, R, F, C, Z, T with shift/alt modifiers. Also 1-7
oblique trail
Only with the S2 tier set
unreal cape
amazing fury chnges with 10.2.5
clever path
any of you use bartender?
quaint stag
Or get a mmo gaming mouse so your core abilities are close key binds and less used stuff are on mouse and stuff others have said. Helped me a lot
neat gazelle
amazing fury chnges with 10.2.5
PvP stonks
quaint stag
any of you use bartender?
Yeah I prefer it to elvui also because it’s what I used on classic
cosmic lance
1 - 5, zxcvfrtg and shift variants of those covers most of what i need
oblique trail
The buttons you want to be easily accessible is
Bloodthirst, Rampage, Whirlwind, Slam, Charge, Odyns Fury, Pummel, Spell Reflect, Enraged Regen, Recklessness, Avatar, one of your trinket slots
At least
clever path
Yeah I prefer it to elvui also because it’s what I used on classic
how do i make 2 different spec profiles, so that i can freely add buttons to Prot action bars without it touching my fury layout
wise torrent
I usually use Q, E, R, F, C, Z, T for main abilities
1-5 buffs
mouse keys for interrupt
Kind a confused about the set bonus changing skills
neat gazelle
I’m a default UI enjoyer 
mossy fox
im a biz ui enjoyer
flat river
im a biz ui enjoyer
critcake senpai notice me
pure echo
Do you guys mind sharing your key-binding?
so I'll have a starting point to work...
If it helps tho: Q: slam E: bloodthirst R: Rampage C: odyns fury Z: recklessness Shift R: Whirlwind F: charge shift E: execute etc
neat gazelle
im a biz ui enjoyer
Atrocity
flat river
pro binding
clever path
elvui is too bloated
pure echo
Ew
shy talon
hmm
So I Recklessness -> charge -> odyns -> avatar -> rotation?
You're missing the MOST important thing
Reckless -> Charge -> **RAMPAGE **-> OF -> Bloodthrist... (then rampage+bloodthirst until Avatar and OF dot is about to drop off) - now Avatar.
If you don't Rampage first, and get Enraged, you're missing at least 50% of your dmg
quaint stag
how do i make 2 different spec profiles, so that i can freely add buttons to Pro...
Not sure because I’ve only played fury. If I switch between arms and fury it would change keybinds but they don’t override each other. Same with changing talents
pure echo
See with my abilities centralized around movement keys it allows me to move and dps better
clever path
flat river
so thats why you dead
bro i died because of panik
clever path
pure echo
XD
flat river
tank was annoyed af
pure echo
Get better binds my friend. 🤣
flat river
i won rezahn btw judge
pure echo
Do you have to stop moving/strafing to press WW or victory rush?
pure echo
Bc if you do, it’s automatically not great. I know you can just move with mouse, but can’t strafe
flat river
just entered a 22 my key right
dh left after second pack pull
we didnt even wipe
at all
thats what you get for inviting a DH
thats called cutestepsis
clever path
lawl
cosmic lance
maybe his step sis was stuck in the washing machine again
flat river
LMAO
clever path
plausible theory
flat river
well now it's a 21 BRH
might do raid though
feelin lucky today
78.45% sure weapon will drop
and if it does i have no money to craft it
xd
shy talon
Never got a Rezan to drop :<
But i got both Fyrakk trinkets (augury on myth and the tank on heroic)
I got Might of the ocean on myth track
Signet on heroic
Prophetic Stonescale on heroic
Don't think i have use or room for Rezan? Or where would i see a use for it?
sour frigate
St fight maybe rezan + signet
clever path
well now it's a 21 BRH
i just ralized
i ran that dungeon
we had
with dual wield one handers
without smf
violet trail
HUge
shy talon
Btw is there any testing of the Legendary On use how to best use it, anyone knows? It does 10% increased dmg if used on a target that already has the dot? Is it buffed by pots, avatar, trinkets?
Ive been trying to test but it doesn't show itself seperate from the dot it applies in details
oblique trail
Ofc it's not buffed by pots avatar and trinkets
shy talon
Ofc it's not buffed by pots avatar and trinkets
yeah i thought so, but then someone ofc has said the opposite somewhere so just got curious
shy talon
ive been trying to use it outside my burst windows, but i it does shit do the dps meter. feels like pointless. It has some good use if you dont wanna get knockback or something like Dathea trinket.
oblique trail
The only thing that affects the weapon is Crit and Vers for the on-use effect, and Crit, Haste and Vers for the dot portion
shy talon
its trash, ill just vendor it.
oblique trail
And it's only actual stat rating, so Recklessness wont increase it
wise torrent
You're missing the MOST important thing
Reckless -> Charge -> **RAMPAGE **-> OF ...
#showtooltip Spear of Bastion
/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion
You guys use spear like that right?
vale dove
yes
oblique trail
Technically speaking Elysian Might also affects it but you do NOT use it inside of Spear
cosmic lance
they specifically broke our buffs working with on-use stuff after nighthold iirc
native wadi
```
#showtooltip Spear of Bastion
/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion
```
You guys...
I have it @player
shy talon
```
#showtooltip Spear of Bastion
/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion
```
You guys...
just dont throw it under Volcross 🙂 i switched to @pulsar wing after doing that a few times when tired
clever path
Random off the wall question. Why are they changing the names of three abilities? Not sure what would spark the idea of even needing to rename them.
cosmic lance
Trying to make them seem more "warrior" things rather than a "we stole this and recycled it from shadowlands" i guess
wise torrent
oh you always want it on your feets to uttilize the elsyian might talent, right?
cosmic lance
They're doing it with monk stomp too because there's no context to those abilities
fading sky
well spear is changing to Brown
so would be weird being an elysian spear no ?
now the spear should be removed
and fack off
but thats another story
flat river
so would be weird being an elysian spear no ?
they changed name
fading sky
i know
shy talon
i mean its made for aoe m8
If I read the On use effect, its 500k "to all enemies" so doesnt matter if its 1 or 500?
But, the Equip function with 10% I guess it also increases the DOT dmg that is applied, as the more mobs the more dots i guess so that makes it more AOE viable?
clever path
Ah OK, I guess that makes sense
cosmic lance
Elysian spear just doesnt make sense outside the context of shadowlands so they're trying to make it more thematic
shy talon
Ah OK, I guess that makes sense
They're changing example Monks Faeline Stomp to be named Jade Stomp with new animatons. Not to have it connected to the Faeline in SL.
sour frigate
Elysian spear just doesnt make sense outside the context of shadowlands so they'...
Ive being sayin this since prepatch 
oblique trail
If I read the On use effect, its 500k "to all enemies" so doesnt matter if its 1...
Keep in mind the on-use is split damage
oblique trail
So it wont do 500k to every target
flat river
and it auto targets
fading sky
galastronk DRAG US into the spear
cosmic lance
Same as rogues are having their old kyrian talent changed from arcane to physical dam
fading sky
😄
shy talon
So it wont do 500k to every target
yeah exactly, thats my point.
im trying to figure out what makes it "AOE" viable compared to ST
fading sky
and it auto targets
ah autotarget would be nice for pve, but prob an pvp issue
sour frigate
and it auto targets
True so i never miss it in pvp
wise torrent
did I forgot anything important ? 😅
shy talon
Rally
violet trail
No damage pot
sour frigate
No slowed + reverb
fading sky
no racial ?
reef loom
no legendary weapon use
wise torrent
thx!
reading through it hehe
cosmic lance
roar?
cosmic lance
Unless you've got the spear/roar macro
limber mason
violet trail
This is a spear build so no shockwave in it
cosmic lance
You still want shockwave bound for dungeons
wise torrent
I got this macro for defensive stuff -
#showtooltip Enraged Regeneration
/use Enraged Regeneration
/use Rallying Cry
Shouldn't I add defensive stance to it?
violet trail
Do not do that
wise torrent
oh I guess defensive stance is only used when I actually run away?
violet trail
This is not a good playstyle. Dont use ALL your defensives in one go
Have seperate binds for each of them
Plus rallying cry is not a defensive you use purely for yourself.
toxic plank
tardy lark
It’s fine to do that when starting out, but bad habits are hard to break
toxic plank
I am in club too now 😉
primal bane
swify macro defensive dies next set of big dmg
funny part is i think our best value defensive is spell reflect 20% magic dr
tall cloak
oh I guess defensive stance is only used when I actually run away?
If you use all youre deff CDs at once, youre likley die at the next Impact.
toxic plank
Wished it droped on my retri not warr 😂
clever path
Wished it droped on my retri not warr 😂
dude
look at retri
this is retri
annihilated
primal bane
bad player?
toxic plank
Played wrong then i have higher overal than you on my pally
oblique trail
Believe it or not
primal bane
I've see rets without leggo and aug do a shit ton in keys
oblique trail
People with the lego can be bad
=)
The lego does not make you do a ton of damage magically =)
tall cloak
Leggo dont give skill
primal bane
leggo is an ilv weap
tall cloak
Just give cool mog
primal bane
its not op
toxic plank
And good aoe
toxic plank
What retri doesnt lack of
primal bane
the leggo is a free dot
yea if you dont die using it
red berry
well y'know
toxic plank
yea if you dont die using it
If he dies on pally when using it something is not right 😂
primal bane
well you cant move or push buttons so very possible
clever path
yall just salty
cause we beat retri
its our victory friends
we just filtered pink boys over here
primal bane
you must lose to ret often or somthing
north edge
clever path
you must lose to ret often or somthing
lol not rly
fading sky
that being said most Rets are fuckin donkeys
clever path
just paladin as a whole, a concept of a class and people who play it
is kinda lame
cowards
hiding behind ubbles
fading sky
ive tried to play it
but i never seem to be able to
but tbh atm its prob what arms should be
clever path
because its class for handicapped
wild mural
just paladin as a whole, a concept of a class and people who play it
paladin is awesome
shut fuk
left perch
pink
clever path
u basically simp the light to give powers to you
wild mural
Cool class fantasy, fun to play, lots of versatility
clever path
class fantasy of being a light simp lo0l
most famous paladin in lore turned death knight btw
because he is sane and cool
want a real class that has sick fantasy outside of warrior
dk
thats the baller
paladin is just a priest with a hammer
clever path
nah they aint
like what is cool about theme
there were so many instances that light just outright didnt help when needed
and its like a hit or miss
the only real cool thing about paladins and overall the light in the game is lightforged draenei
because spame goat holy mamas
oo ja
warrior and dk - that is the way
tall cloak
nah they aint
Who hurt you ? To much Zug Zug Mode ?
clever path
Who hurt you ? To much Zug Zug Mode ?
not really anyone
im in a good mood
also i got rid of elvui and it increased my fps, so lifes good
wild mural
you should be more open minded to being a multiclass master
coarse nest
we only did 2 kills of smold
RL said with the nerfs coming in he thinks its a good time to start extending
oblique trail
Ngl unless you're really tight for time
Reclearing now is the freest it'll ever be
clever path
you should be more open minded to being a multiclass master
i am open minded and multiclass too
i have warrior that i dps on and warrior that i tank on
glad coyote
how did we go from a/b tier to c tier this week? for m+
glad plover
mediocre damage, no utility, good survivability but not the best
dapper jacinth
@clever belfry free me
hasty path
how did we go from a/b tier to c tier this week? for m+
Why the fuck does it matter
Nothing changed
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> free me
of what
hasty path
That alone should tell you how irrelevant a tier list ranking is
clever belfry
warrior unplayable confirmed
glad coyote
i know nothing changed for us, but the lower we get the less liky we get invited to groups because people look at that
for all kind of reasons
clever belfry
Of non trinket life
noob or
glad plover
We were already not getting invited
glad coyote
i mean ive been getting invited no problem
fading sky
how did we go from a/b tier to c tier this week? for m+
where are we C tier?
glad coyote
no
clever belfry
🇩🇪
clever belfry
yes kebab is powerful
oblique trail
dire badge
clever belfry
literally playing brown man rn?
dapper jacinth
Poor brudar never tried shawerma
eternal sundial
I had kebab today
clever path
i ordered a spicy kebab once, like i asked them to make it giga spicy
my bottom literally was on fire when i went to free up some space
it was so spicy infact, i had to open the window and shovel snow into my face from the window and literally to stop my mouth from burning
fading sky
well
clever path
they just took a bottle of sirracha and dumped it right into the kebab
clever belfry
skill issue
violet trail
Hardcore
fading sky
and arsehole burning is SO MUCH WORSE
clever belfry
sirracha aiint even hot?