fury

[clever path]

usually i complete the quests

how do i do that

[hasty path]

for the guilds that are going t obe getting to it?

absolutely

[modest condor]

the hardest mechanic of p2 and p3 is gone

[hasty path]

its a very unspecific fire beam though

idk if its all

[junior gale]

Shift left click it or go into ur quest log and untrack

[hasty path]

my guild is speculating its just the last one during feathers

but we will see

if it is all beams in p1 then ya

way easier

[modest condor]

it's not all, just 1

but most likely seems the bad overlap

[hasty path]

it will still be a hard boss

[clever path]

just right click the quest on the screen and select stop tracking

[cosmic lance]

It'll probably be some random one that wasnt even a thing

[restive peak]

If you’re in P3 on Tindral currently, you will nuke him Tuesday guaranteed

[junior gale]

whatever works my guy

[clever path]

map still looks like donkey shiet

[modest condor]

i mean if you're in p3 you probably already have 200-300 pulls lol

[clever path]

just saying its easier and faster

[junior gale]

🤓

[clever path]

👍

[hasty path]

ya and if u havent started tindral yet you were gonna be 600+

bc you just arent as good at the game

we're like 140 in, near the end of p2

[clever path]

the issue is that

you have 20 people who

can make the slightest mistake

[hasty path]

^

[clever path]

and instantly wipe the raid

[hasty path]

which is so dumb

bc after SFO

they specifically said they wanted to not do that

yet here's tindral

aka halondrus on steroids

[clever path]

in a top 50 guild no prob you have people who play the game all day and have been playing the game all day for years now

20 coordinated people

imagine like a

1200 guild

[hasty path]

^^^^

have perspective

[clever path]

hof guilds

are struggling

let alone 1200

maybe they nerfed him too hard but we'll see how it goes

[hasty path]

i think it would be reasonable if they had just done one of the seed nerfs or the other

but to say this boss is a pushover/easy

is out of touch and dumb relative to the majority of CE guilds

[clever path]

its still gonna be a hard boss for sure

[hasty path]

boss was unkillable for probably half of the CE community

[valid tree]

On how manny target count is it wort executing on aoe? as Fury

[clever path]

project with 300 pulls on tindral and 150 on fyrakk wr17

raiding 12 hours a week

[lethal mirage]

When should I be using Fyr'alath active in ST?

Been trying different stuff but it all feels clunky

[snow edge]

There's a summary in the Pins

Generally - after your CD window finishes, during a point in the fight that won't get you killed

[clever path]

execute is a filler

[lethal mirage]

Oh I didn't see it in pins it was far down sorry

[clever path]

bb>rampage>bt>exe

target count doesnt matter

[valid tree]

@clever path So execute dosent spread with ww? 🙂

[lethal mirage]

It does but it's just damage

Like it hits everything same as any other ability

[valid tree]

But its lower dps then bb and rampage on aoe? 🙂

[cosmic lance]

naowh diff, he joined halfway through tindral didnt he?

[clever path]

yes

nah project is just cracked asf

i think he did but project is insane either way

[valid tree]

ah okey tnx, but if you have execute and bloodthrist up with bloodthirst still be prio? to get enough fury to cast rampage?

if you have nothing else i mean

[clever path]

yes bt>exe

[valid tree]

tnx a lot

[clever path]

they had like 40 pulls on echo and 80 on sark or something

[hasty path]

36 and 74

[hasty path]

no hes been there all tier

and on farm last tier

[clever path]

idk

cracked playera

[hasty path]

no i mjust giving hte exact numbers

u were super close

theyre one of the best guilds in the world

[clever path]

ye i meant clueless as in insane

WTF

removing elvui

gave me like

[hasty path]

oh

lol

[clever path]

20 fps boost

echo had 2x more pulls on fyrakk

more than 2x

[clever path]

ye well elvui is a huge addon

[cosmic lance]

I thought Naowh did RWF with echo for this tier and went to project after the race

[clever path]

now i just need to understand how i can copy spec profile to another spec and then rename it

because prot needs few extra buttons that fury doesnt need on its bars

[hasty path]

no

he has been out of echo for like 6mo

[cosmic lance]

Ah, he's retired/unretired that many times i forget when he comes and goes

[dapper goblet]

tindral didnt need nerfed

[hasty path]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[sinful spoke]

wyes it did

[dapper goblet]

season 3 wanters want to be agents of chaos

so do i

[covert blaze]

[quiet geyser]

just like our old necrolord build in shadowlands didnt need to be nerfed. RIGHT XEOS.

[sharp tartan]

Does the leggo axe benefit from the crit bonus of avatar/spear?

[dapper goblet]

the first and last time blizzard listened to someone with a brain

[hasty path]

im glad u dont have leggo

xdd

[covert blaze]

I'm not even gonna type what I'm thinking right now

[hasty path]

[covert blaze]

I would have in the past

[hasty path]

reach for my neck and you'll be turned into an example, jit

[tardy lark]

😳

[hasty path]

hi aagard

[covert coyote]

so what's the verdict with non-execute phase BT weaving. I usually try to BT every other GCD but sometimes I have rage to ramp after a SD proc and could rampage but when I skip BT I end up with dead GCDs. like execute -> BT -> ramp -> BB or execute -> ramp -> BB -> slam?

[north edge]

i fucked a 25 everbloom key last night

from using the leggo

boss was 17% and i mistimed it and ate a add spawn circle

had no brez

rip key

[covert blaze]

You've seen ten bands in your life, jitt

[hasty path]

ur right i ahve

[covert blaze]

Wtf

Nah

I'm not even gonna edit it it's joever

[hasty path]

[covert blaze]

Unrecoverable fumble

[covert blaze]

It makes you dash inside the boss?

[north edge]

i probably wasnt positioned properly and didnt check timer of add spawn

[modest condor]

if bt wont overcap you you bt, otherwise you ramp

outside of cooldowns it's generally pretty safe to just stick with the "bt every other gcd" rule

[covert coyote]

thankyou

[vivid tusk]

yo

[balmy shore]

anyone else just straight up miss their tindral bomb

[vivid tusk]

@zealous parrot wyd....

[zealous parrot]

playing lost ark

wyd..

[vivid tusk]

thinkin bout why ur playing lost ark

[zealous parrot]

oh true

[modest condor]

[glad coyote]

jesus, i cant get invited to a ad 25 ffs

like 10 points away from 3200

[red yew]

[quick mango]

managed to pick up LFR augury...is it still worth at 485 ilvl?

[olive wraith]

485?

Doesn’t it cap at 476

[quick mango]

my warrior is 485 ilvl

augury is at 476

[olive wraith]

What other trinks

[vast prism]

sim is telling me to use Gholak in my offhand. wtf

[quick mango]

signet 476

crab rezan both at 483

might 483

[hasty path]

gholak go crazy

we use it offhand as brewmaster

[olive wraith]

It’s probably better than your other trinks

[clever path]

what is the best flask for us in raiding?

[dapper goblet]

crit flask

more dam

[clever path]

ok ty

[dapper goblet]

[sullen dove]

classic xeos

[dapper goblet]

very helpful memeber of the skyhold community

[sinful spoke]

tswift prog is ncie

[naive summit]

yo i get fury not getting buffs, what about arms

[sinful spoke]

xD

[naive summit]

that spec is so dead

[hasty path]

repair mount vendor on tswift prog

[naive summit]

less dmg, less tanky wtf

[hasty path]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[olive wraith]

Arms had s1

[summer quail]

And s2

For raid

[olive wraith]

Raid was kinda split

[covert blaze]

Aerial stop helps for that i've heard

When youre flying in circles around the bomb like the tmsean clip

[warm crag]

surely just aiming at the bomb in the first place is pog frog

[covert blaze]

that probably helps too

[summer quail]

Ehh, fury got a decent amount of overall from assault and echo pad

[olive wraith]

Sark was pretty good for fury

[heavy sparrow]

Not a fan of s3 set winning

I would rather take s2, or even s1 if it was balanced better

Maybe not crit, but what if it gave haste? like 4 seconds of 20% haste after sudden death procced

[olive wraith]

So we can auto attack more?

[spice perch]

yo fellas im looking to get enchants on my gear is the enchants on here current or is there a better list? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/enchants-gems-pve-dps

[olive wraith]

Ya the enchants are good

Sim the weapon enchants though

[heavy sparrow]

Are you at 100% haste outside of lust?

[warm crag]

that list is fine for now but you should sim the finer details yourself

[spice perch]

ok thanks

[warm crag]

does lambent even sim higher than frosted

[olive wraith]

No not 100% but we do gain haste

[clever path]

Personally I like season 3 set, but I’m miffed season 2 is winning looks wise I have all the raid sets for season 2 lol

[olive wraith]

Surely they give us an extra color

[heavy sparrow]

It's extremely unlikely anything other than s3 will win

[olive wraith]

Adding haste don’t do much for s1

They would need some miracle

[heavy sparrow]

What? One of the reasons why s1 was undertuned was becuase the crit was kinda useless

[clever path]

Doubt

[heavy sparrow]

If it was 20% haste for 4 seconds after a sudden death proc it would likely make the set actually good

[olive wraith]

S1 is undertuned cause execute isn’t a super strong ability for fury

Also afaik they only look to tune the numbers

Not rework the sets

[clever path]

The only way to fix season one would be to make execute do like 5 times it’s damage which just isn’t feasible design wise

[heavy sparrow]

5 times seems a bit much

[clever path]

Well not the only way

It was so bad

[olive wraith]

S1 was a bad set lol

[clever path]

It was like 4 percent overall bad iirc

[olive wraith]

Something like that

[clever path]

Meaning 5 times would have brought it in line

About

[heavy sparrow]

The s1 2 p was pretty much worthless

[clever path]

But that’s all theory anyway season one isn’t winning

[hollow saffron]

i voted s1

[olive wraith]

Condolences

[dense elbow]

Believe in S1, change your votes

[olive wraith]

S1 needs Jesus. I don’t trust blizz to tune it well enough

[clever path]

No thank you I don’t wanna be bottom of all damage again cause blizzard made the set inherently bad

[sturdy ermine]

Is s3 winning on NA?

[heavy sparrow]

I don't really think execute is undertuned to be honest, they could have theoretically made a set that works with execute for fury, but the crit was useless, and maybe sudden death should increase the damage of exe by like 20%

[olive wraith]

Last I saw yes

[heavy sparrow]

Maybe 30

[clever path]

Yeah last time i checked was winning by like 20 percent

[olive wraith]

Fury execute is just filler

[sturdy ermine]

So what happens if eu and na are different we get different sets? Xd

[dense elbow]

Sad but true

[heavy sparrow]

Yea, but it's a significantly stronger filler

[clever path]

No it’s gonna be an overall I would assume

[olive wraith]

It’s decent

[trail crypt]

if fury got a rework waht would you like to see from it?

[clever path]

Big doubts blizz would go through the trouble of making different sets to have to balance for different regions

[north edge]

the only invite i got was someone misclicking

[dense elbow]

They would pick what NA voted anyhow

[heavy sparrow]

Huh, honestly, i kinda like fury, haven't really thought about warrior much, i have less ideas about warrior than other classes

[olive wraith]

I enjoy playing fury

It’s not like we’re bad either

[heavy sparrow]

The only thing that comes to mind at the moment is for arms, allowing you to cast abilities during bladestorm

[olive wraith]

They should let you kick during bs

Idk about other abilities

[heavy sparrow]

Oh, and better pathing for class talents, so performance and utility isn't so polarized

[olive wraith]

That’s kinda wild

[clever path]

Personally I’d love to see fury and arms gutted of these old ragged abilities and actually make the class play how the game plays these days instead of having 5 iterations layered on top of each other haphazardly like we do

[olive wraith]

Look at s1 compared to s3. Bloodthirst is also a “filler” but the set makes it highest prio

[heavy sparrow]

Everything is filler aside cds and rampage basically

And even rampage is basically a filler with how many times you cast it i guess

[dense elbow]

We only got one spender, so ya

[heavy sparrow]

Not that i have a problem with that honestly

[olive wraith]

High apm do be like that I guess

[heavy sparrow]

I think fury plays pretty nicely, especially the am/rav build

[olive wraith]

I enjoyed both s2 and s3

[heavy sparrow]

Not my favorite spec, but i can't really find many faults

[olive wraith]

So the playstyle is there

[clever path]

I think the biggest fault fury has is it’s inherent weakness without tier sets. Our single target is abysmal without something to boost it

But that’s kind of a personal issue as I’ve been playing fury for over a decade so I’ve seen the ups and downs

[olive wraith]

The niche of barely losing any st by talentint into aoe is pretty cool

[clever path]

But also extremely boring and part of the problem

[lyric sluice]

Warrior the only class that will never ever forever get a rework cause blizzard has stated many times its their baseline for all the other classes.

[olive wraith]

Well idk about that lol

[clever path]

If warrior is their baseline then they need to scrap the entire game

[olive wraith]

At some point it has to be reworked

[clever path]

Warrior isn’t bad but it sure isn’t a shining example of good design

[lyric sluice]

I agree but they have consistently stated and shown that warrior is their version of what balance is. Why it rarely sees actual changes and why it swings so wild oj the Meters from set to set.

[heavy sparrow]

Nope, hard disagree with that, losing little st damage for aoe is objectively good

It's definitely not "part of the problem"

[clever path]

You literally don’t even know why I think it’s a problem and you disagree?

[olive wraith]

It is but that means we can’t ever be ST gods

[clever path]

Shrug

[olive wraith]

Without gutting aoe

I can understand the tuning issue the niche has

[heavy sparrow]

Id rather take that over losing 20% of my st damage for speccing aoe like ret or unholy

[dense elbow]

I like that Fury does both, just wish we had a bit more 5T power to make up for our weak mass AoE

[olive wraith]

And I guess you could always adjust the meat cleaver number

[heavy sparrow]

Havoc also sacrifices very little st for aoe too

[clever path]

And yet they do way better than us overall in the game currently because of how the game plays these days

[olive wraith]

Afaik that’s not the case

[heavy sparrow]

Most spec are around 5 to 10 % st dps loss

[clever path]

That’s why it’s a problem imo, it’s not bad but being a Jack of all trades is bad in an mmo because you aren’t the best at anything

[bronze trench]

@clever path just read patch notes. Rework when?

[heavy sparrow]

I mean, if they want to increase st but not aoe, they can just increase the damage of rampage etc, and reduce meat cleaver damage

[clever path]

So people will overlook you to find those that are better than you in their eyes

It’s all perception, just look at how hard it can be getting into keys as a warrior

We don’t bring enough damage or support at the expense is damage to justify us being there in most cases for “meta” play. Which is all people seem to care about these days

[dense elbow]

Community perception is its own can of worms

[clever path]

Very very true

[heavy sparrow]

Yea but community perception does not change reality

[clever path]

But it changes how the game plays entirely

Perception controls every single aspect of a social game

[molten relic]

Would be nice to have that meat cleaver knob turned to 70% or some shit

[heavy sparrow]

And when something becomes good, like how survival was in s3 shadowland, people take note pretty fast

[molten relic]

Our ST is fine

[olive wraith]

70% is a bit wild

[molten relic]

I mean

Kill command is 80%

[clever path]

I think they just need to uncap our cleaver targets

[molten relic]

With an 8 target soft cap

Meat cleaver is 55% rn?

[clever path]

And just make it have soft caps

[molten relic]

With a 5 hardcap

[olive wraith]

50 think

[heavy sparrow]

Soft cap would be fine i think

Although i personally haven't really noticed a big problem with mass aoe, thanks to ravager/odyn etc

[dense elbow]

Just uncap OF, and we can do some AoE dam

[heavy sparrow]

Of is uncapped

Ravager is soft capped

[molten relic]

Meat cleaver knob up. Tier set cleaving

2 changes that would actually make us good in our niche

[cedar edge]

Fury should be completely uncapped change my mind

[molten relic]

Cause uncapped classes slapping us around even in our 5 target cap where we’re supposed to be niche

[olive wraith]

I don’t want to be gutted lmao

[heavy sparrow]

YOu mean not even soft cap for cleaver?

[molten relic]

The hard cap is fine

If they make us crank in 5t

[heavy sparrow]

That would lead to fury being crazy good at aoe, like insanely good

[cedar edge]

would be a shame wouldnt it

[molten relic]

This way we don’t really lose any ST

[olive wraith]

Ya I agree with the 5target kings idea

[molten relic]

If they uncap fury they 100% gonna make us lose something

[heavy sparrow]

It would be nerfed immediately

[molten relic]

I’d rather just have meat cleave % higher

[remote tulip]

for igria do we use the ST/AoE build or just our main build

[molten relic]

And see how that goes

[heavy sparrow]

There is no way they would completely uncap meat cleaver and have the same values

[molten relic]

Ofc not

[olive wraith]

Well obv

[cedar edge]

for sure blizzard refuses to let warrior cook

[molten relic]

I’d rather just have stronger 5t

Than the uncapped classes

It’s not like we’re bad in big pulls we have good prio damage and we still hit things

[olive wraith]

Maybe just increase of bleed damage

[cedar edge]

Warlock rogue and mage can be S+++++ tier in all content since vanilla though

[molten relic]

We just arent doing dh level damage

[olive wraith]

On top of buffing the 5t niche

[molten relic]

Warrior was legit king through wotlk

[heavy sparrow]

Ravager and odyn's fury mostly solves the big pull problem in my opinion

[molten relic]

But in modern wow sure rogue and mage been up there

[cedar edge]

i know but that was like 45 years ago

[molten relic]

Warlock was insane during legion too

[olive wraith]

Nah of isn’t enough on its own

[heavy sparrow]

You can dish out some serious mostly uncapped aoe in those pulls with ravager/odyn

[molten relic]

I mean

U said rogues and mage since vanilla

Which isn’t true

[cedar edge]

Akshually

[molten relic]

Considering warrior dominated everything until after wotlk

But ok

[olive wraith]

Rogues weren’t on top until s3 I think

This expac

[heavy sparrow]

Sub rogue was top for m+ in s2

[molten relic]

Rogues have always had a decent spec in at least one type of content

[heavy sparrow]

Now.... Good st, but sustain aoe is atrocious

[molten relic]

Warrior kinda just been mid

In all of modern wow

[olive wraith]

S2 was exodia

[molten relic]

But we haven’t really been awful

Few patches in bfa I guess

[heavy sparrow]

I meant it was a very strong contender

[olive wraith]

I dont mind being upper mid

[molten relic]

And SL

[heavy sparrow]

But not literally at the top

[clever path]

I mean arms is terrible right now

[olive wraith]

Ya poor arms

[clever path]

Literally bottom of the barrel

[olive wraith]

They do got solid aoe

[molten relic]

But we def could use some tuning

Till we get updates in 11.0

I think meat cleaver % going up to make us actually crank 5t

[clever path]

Warrior should be a “brings more damage and less support” kind of class imo

[molten relic]

Is a reasonable bandaid

[clever path]

Or we need our support beefed up

[devout matrix]

I played arms for several weeks, geared it out. Switched to fury for one run and gained 40k dps on a previous key of the same level and time.

[balmy shore]

my dragonriding skillz r not good

[clever path]

We can’t have neither or it just stagnates

[dense elbow]

Hero talents will fix everything, just chill till then

[remote tulip]

do we use meat cleaver build on mythic igria

[olive wraith]

Slayer better be popping

[snow edge]

If they roll with S3 tier again in fated season, even just allowing the amped BTs / BBs to cleave would be a decent bump in 5T

[molten relic]

Spears need to die so surely

[molten relic]

Would be a huge bump ya

[heavy sparrow]

You sacrifice very little st anyway so

I would run cleaver

[molten relic]

300k+ cleaving to 5 targets and putting bleed on all

Would be cracked

[remote tulip]

is this msg for me?

[heavy sparrow]

Well yea, fury doesn't sacrifice a lot of st for aoe anyway, so might as well cleave the spears

[dapper goblet]

def use meat cleaver on igira

[sullen dove]

warrior is like, THE spear cleaver

unironically

a boss where top damage overall is a warrior

[covert blaze]

yeah use that spell that hits the brakes

[olive wraith]

We’re warriors

Only w

[dense elbow]

We are great, if spears ain't in narnia

[sullen dove]

warrior good for group 1 flying up right?

[olive wraith]

Oh do you pug too?

[sullen dove]

on tindral

every single one on lorgs saves cds for second set of roots

but flying up is the first set

[olive wraith]

Damn people putting spears so far

[dark elbow]

"changing my meatcleaver talents isnt worth the risk of forgetting to put them back later" -Friend of mine

[young swan]

no not the jpc maneuver 😭

[dense elbow]

In pug ppl actually stack and overlap zones. Guild tho... OF can't hit two packs at once

[dapper goblet]

our warrior is group 2 but i dont think it matters

[balmy shore]

vroom vroom

[sullen dove]

@young swan verify? :3

[young swan]

almost every warrior has gone g2

idk how much it matters

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

havent looked at timings

[sullen dove]

shall see ig

[young swan]

it probably makes something weird later

[sullen dove]

is it like, first set fly, second set full zug, third set fly, every phase?

[remote tulip]

ok thanks ❤️

[sullen dove]

aside from last phase that has more than 3

[balmy shore]

g2 feels better

i was in g1 on my alt and didn't like it

xd

[sullen dove]

surely wont matter next week when only 3 have to go up

[dapper goblet]

yes

[sullen dove]

never go up

[balmy shore]

officers said most boss dam won't go up

sadge

[sullen dove]

yea guess we'll c then, lorrgs everyone sends cds on the 2nd set of p1 and 2, but p3 is holding for third set of roots, which isnt that bad actually? or idk

or no its first set for p2

fuq

[dapper goblet]

wtf is a lorg

[sullen dove]

this

didnt matter last season but 90 second cd spec means know when people use cds

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[sullen dove]

yea so first group seems bad for the start of p2

but fine for the rest of the fight

presumably

[sinful spoke]

guys im not coping right this beam didnt touch me

[keen kindle]

Cope

[dapper goblet]

multi dollar company

[sullen dove]

ping diff

[sinful spoke]

legit

[olive wraith]

Imagine not having multiple talent load outs

[chilly fractal]

Do not question Blizzard’s divine will

[sinful spoke]

theyre nerfing me

nah but leggo is insane bro active when consumming the dots on the roots make it do 1.4m dmg sometimes

[cold pivot]

i dont know why me dmg is so shit in keys

[flat river]

Sounds like cope to me

[sweet vault]

Unironically cope, I had to put my analyst glases on and uh, I see some of the beam in your character model as you can see with this image here

[sinful spoke]

no bro

it didnt hit

ur coping

💀

[sweet vault]

brother, its right there

[frail trout]

I only got 1 minor copium orb from my heroic reclear today

[sweet vault]

do you not see a huge red thing in your torso

[frail trout]

On top of the fyrakk orb of course

[sinful spoke]

this is when i died

[slim coral]

[sinful spoke]

look how far

i was

[slim coral]

should of popped immunity

[sinful spoke]

BASED BAZE TAKE

[slim coral]

we do not die

we are too angry

[sweet vault]

real

[sinful spoke]

tryndamere

[sweet vault]

Lag perhaps 🤷‍♂️

[slim coral]

[sinful spoke]

wrong

shit game

[frail trout]

My guild is extending now as well so I won't get any more small copium orbs from mythic reclear either

[sinful spoke]

thats all

[frail trout]

It's joeover

[sweet vault]

more like git gud

[sinful spoke]

your mother

[sweet vault]

as baze said, pop immunity

[sinful spoke]

why is a survival hunter pfp haver here

🛌

[sweet vault]

I was a fury player, but I refuse to play fury when slam exists in a rotation

[sinful spoke]

ah yes

so

[frail trout]

Doctorwtf

[sinful spoke]

not a real warrior player

💀

[sweet vault]

I play protwarrior my guy

xd

[sinful spoke]

so

why tf u talking

abt slam

?

💀

[sweet vault]

because I still play fury

💀

[sinful spoke]

in the fury channel

go back to ur dirty corner

prot warrior

🤮

[frail trout]

It literally just replaced raging blow on your bar and is used as a filler spell only

[sweet vault]

I still play fury warrior

[frail trout]

Fake take

[sinful spoke]

real

[sweet vault]

I play fury warrior most of season 2

[sinful spoke]

ur contradicting

urself

so

[sweet vault]

I played fury at the beggining of th easeson when I had 4 set and was like nope, not having it

slap is cursed

[sinful spoke]

so u dont play fury

u played fury

[sweet vault]

slam*

[frail trout]

How long did you actually try that realistically

You barely press slam

[sinful spoke]

like 1 min probably

💀

[sweet vault]

actually a fair bit of time

I'm just a massive slam hater

[sinful spoke]

my volcoross kill

like

ur being

dramatic

[frail trout]

That's a weird bias but alright I guess

To each his own

[sinful spoke]

and im a massive spear hater

[covert blaze]

I too hate pressing a builder on a builder spender spec, too crazy 4 me

[sinful spoke]

which is why ill never touch that shit for st again!

[sweet vault]

I hate how slam feels, raging blow more fun. ALso, I'm the off the opinion that I liked S2 tier set than S3

ravager and obliterate go brr

[frail trout]

Slam unironically does more damage than regular bloodthirst and generates decent rage

[slim coral]

why doesnt warrior have an immunity

like Tryndramere

[rigid fulcrum]

that's a different class i think

[slim coral]

they could call it dying stance or some shit

[frail trout]

You just prio regular bloodthirst when cds are down because of the cdr

[sweet vault]

I can never for the life of me

ONSALUGHT I THINK IT IS

I can't remember 💀

It just went brr

thats all I know

[flat river]

Fury warrior is dead

[sweet vault]

Unrionically true

[flat river]

Season 3 set killed it

Change my mind

[sweet vault]

Truest True

[frail trout]

Whack opinion alert

[boreal widget]

i mean Ive still seen pumpers but i do prefer the s2 playstyle to this seasons

[buoyant salmon]

might be the only bs beam death ever

[frail trout]

Fury has meaningful single target for once

Especially in execute

[sinful spoke]

bro ucant compare slam and raging blow

[sweet vault]

I mean yea this set can pump, but it feels icky

[flat river]

To anyone who says season 3 tier is good:

[sinful spoke]

u pressed raging blow 1000 times

slam 12

or less

[sweet vault]

bro the anime of RB compared to slam goes so fucking hard

animation*

[wary fjord]

true

[sweet vault]

i cannot type for the life of myself atm

[wary fjord]

they should update slam

it should have a dual wield animation

[sinful spoke]

thats what i said at the start of the season

[sweet vault]

also the main reason I got into fury I just found it badass that some dude is just like "Yo, what if I held two two-hander weapons instead". SLam just doesn't not only feel good with that idea but also the animation is bleh

[sinful spoke]

bro

ur

[slim coral]

I only speak based

so true

[sinful spoke]

reading too into it

[sweet vault]

IDC

[sinful spoke]

i legit dont look at animations trying to dodge 500 things on tindral

[wary fjord]

they should either update the slam animation, or give it a bonk sound

[sinful spoke]

maybe ur focusing ont the wrong thing

[slim coral]

[wary fjord]

[sinful spoke]

make a weakayra

[wary fjord]

i want it to be forced for everyone to hear

not just me with my weakaura

i want it to be ear shattering

[flat river]

Im giving a wow token to everyone who voted season 2 if season wins

[slim coral]

I gotta thing of something that is not true give me a sec guys

[flat river]

Trust my dad is gill bates

[sweet vault]

bonking the enemy on the head with two two-handers would be cool ngl, I'd enjoy slam. Like, I don't hate using slam. It's more, I hate seeing slam just be like some like half assed strike

[wary fjord]

I dont care what set we have, i just want to pump

i want big number

[flat river]

Go play pinkclass

[wary fjord]

no

[flat river]

If u want big number go play a class that tops dps

[wary fjord]

but i want warrior to do big number

[sweet vault]

if you want big numbers, I heard HDH does that, according to sources at least.

[flat river]

Here we like to have fun

Thats why we want s2 to win

[buoyant salmon]

[flat river]

But people just be like "aha dmg i deal big nice i no need fun when i deal big dmg"

Smh

[buoyant salmon]

s2 and s3 play the same

but yeah

[flat river]

No

S2 plays onslaught ravager

AM

U get recklessness every like 8 seconds

[buoyant salmon]

they are almost functionally the same

[sweet vault]

one has onslaut ravage the other one has shitty slam animation

[slim coral]

Warrior fucking sucks we bring nothing good

Based

[wary fjord]

[flat river]

Add BR and BL

And we are usefull

[buoyant salmon]

yeah because utility is very important

warrior will be much better with lust

[slim coral]

unironically if we had lust

[flat river]

Battle res and bloodlust as shouts

[slim coral]

I would get in 10 times the keys

[buoyant salmon]

every class can get brez btw

[slim coral]

but people need lust for keys

so I get dnied

[wary fjord]

give us that spell reflect on closest ally ability again, and we would have something good to bring

[boreal widget]

naw I say instead of lust we have a shot that aoe dispells

[wary fjord]

at least in keys

[boreal widget]

shout*

[flat river]

Ok but unironically that would be fun

[buoyant salmon]

not sure giving warrior an external is really the play

[wary fjord]

battle res is just yelling at them

it snaps them alive

[boreal widget]

que Hulk Scream

[sweet vault]

Warrior is a spec that would make sense to have blood lust. We zug so much, why dont we have bloodlust lmfao

[flat river]

Also in Warcraft 3 the ONLY person with reincarnation was Cairne Bloodhoof, an Arms WARRIOR.

[wary fjord]

it would be nice for some mechanics as something to have at least

[slim coral]

also gives us mirror image

[flat river]

Why dont we have reincarnation

[flat river]

Real and true

[olive wraith]

If they gave us an external id prefer it be more unique

[wary fjord]

cause warriors die with honor, dont come back like bitches

[olive wraith]

Like a small stat buff

[sweet vault]

You know whats worse than slam animation? Worgen BDK Deathstrike animation, good god, I wish I could still unsee that

[flat river]

They took so much from us and gave to other classes

[olive wraith]

What did they take

[flat river]

I wish i could play fully blademaster arms

But no mirror images

They gave to mage

Wish i could reincarnate like in WC3 but they gave it to shammy

Unreal

[wary fjord]

they took away sunder armor

[flat river]

That too

[wary fjord]

god please dont give us that back, i dont want to be a sunder slave

[red yew]

@eternal sundial Told you it would've owned...

[wary fjord]

make it passive sunder armor or something

[slim coral]

them saying blademaster didn't feel like warrior to me idk I disagree

[flat river]

The moment they give warriors a lust is the moment we become useful

[thorny sparrow]

giving us stealth movement makes us objectively better rogues

[wary fjord]

we would be first tank spec with lust

would be cool

for the prots out there

[flat river]

That too!

Windwalk

[sullen dove]

my honest reaction when grey parsing demo does 80k more dps than orange parsing warrior on tindral

[red yew]

What else would it feel like tbh

[buoyant salmon]

destro is the only class that COMPLETELY pads

[red yew]

Literally just screams Arms warrior, no?

[buoyant salmon]

on tindral

[slim coral]

idk but mirror imagine would be sick

[sullen dove]

sure u dont mean demo?

[slim coral]

I wnat it

[thorny sparrow]

well fury has no counterpart in warcraft 3

[buoyant salmon]

demo

[sullen dove]

or destro is more degenerate

[buoyant salmon]

yes sorry not destro

[sullen dove]

yea

[slim coral]

triple bladestorms popping off

sheesh

[thorny sparrow]

i mean Muradin but thats if you squint

[red yew]

[wary fjord]

[thorny sparrow]

but really theres no fury warrior to crib from from warcraft

[sullen dove]

[red yew]

[red yew]

Insanely ethical

[flat river]

Blademaster abilities

[slim coral]

yeah windwalk

is sick

I wnat it

[snow edge]

54% to vines omegalul

[wary fjord]

wtf is that

that is horrifying

[vague copper]

I had one mission and it's not super high and it was to pug my warrior to 3k rio.. 3011 now and not sure I will play him much more.. Know I can go higher but its not worth the effort in que and never get invites..

[sullen dove]

ez

[flat river]

Fuck this im switching to Outlaw Rogue

[wary fjord]

[sullen dove]

why would you do that

either of the other 2 specs are better

[red yew]

Wish we had this as capstones or certain choice nodes.

[wary fjord]

imagine swapping to rogue, the smol tiny agility spec

[red yew]

Obviously not as OP as cleansing all magic debuffs

[wary fjord]

when you could be big strong str warrior

[flat river]

Arms squishy

[thorny sparrow]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pit_Lord_(Warcraft_III) maybe this is the fury counterpart

[wary fjord]

lolol

yes, make me a pit lord pls

[young swan]

a fucking pit lord lmfao

[wary fjord]

[young swan]

yeah lemme just get summoned by a warlock

[wary fjord]

ye

[thorny sparrow]

i just want it for the cleave that makes single target have 90% splash damage

thats very fury

[wary fjord]

would be a cool glyph for avatar, turn into a big pit lord

[flat river]

Yes indeed we are pitlord

[sullen dove]

turning into a mountain giant like in ulduar would be like, on the cusp of being realistic

and cool

the big beefy iron dwarves

[flat river]

Yeah but blizzard hates warriors

[thorny sparrow]

im trying my best here but Blademaster aint fury

[wary fjord]

they dont hate us

[thorny sparrow]

its all stealth and big swings, we're speedsters

[wary fjord]

they forget we exist

[flat river]

Ill find one

[wary fjord]

its worse

[slim coral]

idk but slayer better fuck

if it sucks I'm gonna be pissed

[thorny sparrow]

the funniest thing is the duel wielders in WC3 are Muradin, who aint fury, and Demon Hunter which "fury is the real Demon Hunter" is already problematic

[slim coral]

That'd be like doom sucking

[flat river]

Here we go this us

[thorny sparrow]

we're not bloody going with Mountain King!

[slim coral]

where is slayer

[thorny sparrow]

NO FUCKING MERLOT

[sullen dove]

mountain thane should turn us into this

[flat river]

XD

[flat river]

lol

[thorny sparrow]

id sooner be https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Crypt_Lord_(Warcraft_III) than Mountain King

[wary fjord]

they got to make thunderclap really clap

1000% damage buff for fury

[thorny sparrow]

we cant be Tauren chieftain either as most of their talents are stuns but i think they should give us this ability to make us mandatory for all content

[flat river]

Just let us be ogres smh

[thorny sparrow]

Endurance Aura (Passive)editedit source
PASBTNCommand

Increases the movement speed and attack rate of nearby friendly units.

Area of Effect Allowed Targets
90 Air, Ground, Friend, Self, Vulnerable, Invulnerable
Level Effect Hero Level Req
1 Movement Speed +10%, Attack Rate +5% 1
2 Movement Speed +15%, Attack Rate +10% 3
3 Movement Speed +20%, Attack Rate +15% 5

[flat river]

Taurens are arms

[thorny sparrow]

give us Endurance Aura

[wary fjord]

yoooo

thats cool

[flat river]

Baine is arms

He uses warbreaker in questline

[wary fjord]

5% movespeed, 2% haste buff

or something balanced

idk

i was thinking of something blizz might do

[flat river]

New fury warrior stance buff?

[wary fjord]

would be cool

[thorny sparrow]

2% haste buff funnily would be bad for us atm as most of us are haste softcapped

[flat river]

Im pretty sure that no one at blizz plays warrior

[wary fjord]

ye, but it will be better at start of expac

[flat river]

And thats why we're left in the dust

We need a talent rework

[thorny sparrow]

for the first time even im annoyed when haste drops and happy when versatility drops

[flat river]

Make RB and BT baseline

[wary fjord]

it wouldnt be that great rn, but would be nice when stat bloat goes away at the beginning of next xpac

make avatar baseline

for warrior

every spec takes it

its basically a talent tax

[flat river]

Make rampage baseline

It replaces slam auto

[left perch]

Define “blizz” and “warrior

[flat river]

Ok hear me out (X means it should be baseline):

[past pivot]

Mike Ybarra used to play Fury. Don’t know if he still does. Would often be on twitch or discord.

[boreal widget]

so i know simming myself is the best way to figure this out but wanting to ask here anyway, if Im messing around as SMF should I weapon enchant Wafting Devotion on 1h weapons like you do with 2h or should I go Sophic for the extra str

[past pivot]

Go int for the wisdom to play TG. 👍🏼

[boreal widget]

I made a bet with my GM that If he gets the leggo first I will go SMF until I get mine and well I lost the bet

[dapper goblet]

he plays rogue/hunter now

[thorny sparrow]

i agree with this assuming they dont revamp the class because unless they do rampage has to be baseline given our entire kit is built around it

[dapper goblet]

obviously why warrior doesnt get touched

[thorny sparrow]

we have no other rage spenders!

[upbeat sentinel]

If I enjoy Fury what's another low-neuron activation spec I can try

[slim coral]

warrior hasn't gotten touched in quiet some time

sad times

[young swan]

indeed

it makes me depressed everytime i think about it

[slim coral]

I wonder why

they haven';t tuned it

all memes aside

maybe to them it's not worth the time investment

[hallow sphinx]

[flat sapphire]

DONT WORRY GUYS WE GETTING HUGE NEW THINGS IN 10.2.5

[dark elbow]

[red berry]

i just want AoE buffs

[flat sapphire]

HAVENT YOU SEEN WE GET 3 SPELLS RENAMED

[red berry]

also i wish slam was a bigger button

but that’s me

[flat sapphire]

If you use bartender or smth similar you can make kr huge

[red berry]

like in SoS anyway

[flat sapphire]

[dark elbow]

[red berry]

[flat sapphire]

Oh yea I think we get the visual update to spear

[dark elbow]

People play spear?

[upbeat sentinel]

for st ya

[slim coral]

incase you guys think we are asking too much for some more utility

that doesnt include ice block

[final birch]

Most of it is useless

And including blink means we can include charge + leap

[sullen tendon]

charge and leap cant break you out of roots or stuns

[nimble basin]

^

[final birch]

It’s useful on 1 boss whole season

[slim coral]

I mean this doesnt even include alter time

either

plenty of other abilites it doesnt include

mass poly

[final birch]

Dont get me wrong

I’m the first person to shit on mages

[sullen dove]

bro slipped in teleport and portal

wow so big

[slim coral]

300k shield abosrb

[final birch]

But this list says shit about their actual utility and why they’re good

[slim coral]

it's just one list

[final birch]

“Yo lets take that mage because he can conjure up some refreshments”

[slim coral]

donest even include all the op shit

[final birch]

“Or teleport us to dalaran”

[slim coral]

This is just he baseline utility

surely you understand my point

[final birch]

Yeh

[slim coral]

I'm not gonna take apic of all the extra utility they get front talents taht is op

[sullen dove]

battle shout - buff
heroic leap - movement ability
charge - movement ability
commanding shout - hp
spell reflect - gaming
intim shout - fear
shockwave - stun
stormbolt - stun
pummel - interrupt
odyns/avatar - self root/snare clear

look i made one for warrior

with a similar number of entries

[slim coral]

no

we have to talent for that

[sullen dove]

and they dont?

[slim coral]

no

[sullen dove]

cap

80% of that is a talent

im sure

[slim coral]

that pic was all baseline

the talents are all below

[slim coral]

This is the talent list

Now make a warrior utility list with no talents

it's like what battleshout

[hushed ocean]

make battle shout a passive like ret's auras, and give us lust or a speed boost

[nova garnet]

Remove battleshout

That's the solution

[hushed ocean]

lol, why the fuck remove battleshout?

it's the only thing for what they take us in some M+ comp

[sullen tendon]

cause we dont need it

[sudden tusk]

@young swan

fought the good fight

it die with nefs

[sullen tendon]

no one runs intimidating shout anyways

[sudden tusk]

[sullen tendon]

remove it

same with piercing howl

remove it

[sullen dove]

just make it baseline

whats the waffling

[slim coral]

hope I opened your eyes

🙂

[sullen dove]

yea i did just look at mage tree and sure a little cringe but i guess the trade off there

is our entire tree is damage

class tree at least

they have maybe like 4 damage buffs in there

just very different ways of doing it idk

[slim coral]

and they stil beat us kek

[sullen dove]

op spec tree moment

[slim coral]

bad designed spec tree moment

[eternal sundial]

It has tw

Thus design is shit

[sullen dove]

tbh theres no world ww talents just shouldnt be baseline

basically intregrated with the spec itself

or at the very least just let it be 1 talent

would break absolutely nothing to let us have 1 more talent point to play with

[sudden tusk]

if arms at least gets noo buffs on the 16th

i lose hope

[sullen dove]

[void valley]

I feel like theres no world where Mountain Thane will be better than whatever Slayer has for fury

If it was raging blow/slam based instead of raging blow/bt based it would feel better i think

[heavy galleon]

Warrior design seems outdated, rotation is boring, we lack of many things. No dispell, no disanrage. No BL, no BR

I play since Cataclysm and it's the 1st time I hate my warrior atm. Even prot and arms feels bad to play atm

We have no feeling to press execute as fury right now, just a filler button

[autumn fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[sullen dove]

[void valley]

THe one thing mountain thane will have is fun

Just because random procs and shit feel cool

But like

[sullen dove]

arch mentioned a few days ago it'd be cooler/good/interesting if mountain thane is more aoe focused and slayer is st

cuz like thunder blast and stuff does sound kinda neat if it chunks on aoe

damage tuning is like months away anyway

[void valley]

Honestly it feels like its catered to arms and they just replaced it with random fury abilities when they decided to go colossus for arms/prot

Unless they give fury rend for some reason

It does seem like its better in m+ just for the utility/rav spamming trash

[heavy galleon]

For me fury need big change. Design of our cleave cap target 5 is bad. Bladestorm must be back. And our rotation all around Rampage/BT seems boring now

I want spam my execute when I can like WoD or MoP

[sullen dove]

5tar would be fine if we actually did good 5tar dam

[flat river]

Im back

[sullen dove]

but yea do miss bladestorm

shadowlands fury was

spin forever

[flat river]

Real and true

Give fury bladestorm and all is good

[sullen dove]

idk about 'all'

[flat river]

They should rework fury talent tree

They reworked almost all classes

[eternal sundial]

Bonegrinder is awful

[flat river]

When will they rework fury

[sullen dove]

bring bonegrinder back

[flat river]

They reworked arms tree

Not ours ;-;

[flat river]

Real and true

[eternal sundial]

Arms is still worse than fury clearly reworks dont help

[heavy galleon]

I want WW to become a strong AoE, not just a filer to unlock 5 targets cleave

[eternal sundial]

But ye ur prolly getting tree changes for next expansion

Dont need them now

[grand timber]

Shockwave too!

[heavy galleon]

And something like "Rampage last hit cleave all ennemy in front of you"

You can't be captarget in 2024,its so ridiculous on M+

Look when they try to captarget classes on SL, it was giga garbage

[flat river]

Rampage insta kills all targets in a 100 yd radius if the target is 100% HP or lower

Also kills allies

And yourself

Suicide button

[void valley]

Onslaught instantly kills enemies below 99% health (brain damage)

[flat river]

Bonk dmg*

I tried saying the meme but i was blocked

[void valley]

Single target fury should also just be baseline

[flat river]

Onslaught rework: Onslaught now deals Bonk dmg, insta kills people that the meme applies to

[void valley]

No reason not to be

[flat river]

Single minded u mean? XD

[void valley]

Close enough

[sullen dove]

na he cookin with single target fury

[flat river]

XD

[void valley]

WW now focuses all cleave damage to the last target you rampaged

[flat river]

LMAO

[void valley]

AOE cap doesnt matter anymore, and whatever you target dies faster the bigger the pack

[flat river]

WW instantly rampages the target

[void valley]

Just pull all the trash to the boss and let the warrior take care of it

[heavy galleon]

Make banner great again

[flat river]

Real

[heavy galleon]

Skullbanner was so good

[flat river]

I swear everything suggested here is real

Fury discord is most based discord

[void valley]

But like, single minded fury being baseline would be a buff because then you get two talent points to put somewhere useful

It needs all the help it can get anyways

[flat river]

I think @wild mural would agree with u

[void valley]

Frost already has baseline 2h spec, why not fury 1h spec

[flat river]

Real

And the funny thing is

Fury loot spec gives 1-handers

When it's not even baseline anymore

[void valley]

That too

So annoying to have to manually switch between arms and prot for when i actually wanna target loot

[flat river]

xD

[void valley]

Im pretty sure 2hs dont drop as frost either

And THATS baseline

But i might be wrong

Nvm 2h do drop for frost

I just have it set to blood/unholy because i hate playing breath

[slim coral]

who's gonna tell him

[slim coral]

end me

[sullen dove]

i think changes make p2 a joke

so just p1 p3 is hard now

[sudden tusk]

they didnt nerf too much of the damage

the roots into fallen star

is gonna fuck P3

[sullen dove]

ya i think only actual unavoidable damage nerf is just seed cast

o there are still 4 dispells

thought that was included but misread

pog

[flat river]

Wake me up when fury is fun again

[sullen dove]

wake up

[hazy cedar]

Cya in the last titan

[red yew]

Last patch of the last titan

[flat river]

Speaking of

Do u guys think the last titan is last expansion before WoW 2

[hazy cedar]

No

[sullen dove]

no but its the last expansion of the worldsoul saga

[void valley]

I think after last titan theres gonna be a squish of some kind

[sullen dove]

after next expansion is gonna be a squish lol

if u mean stats at least

levels maybe not

but we going back to like legion numbers next xpac

millions of hp and dps

[flat river]

Pog?

[red yew]

WoW 2

[void valley]

Unless they do something crazy