fury

[wild mural]

huge

[young swan]

first one is 10.1.5

[unreal onyx]

how many are you in?

[buoyant salmon]

they still jsut did a lot of damage

[wild mural]

idk

[covert blaze]

I think they were also just good

[clever path]

then why all of em are voting season 3 tier

or it wasnt cuz tier and they just got nerfed

[covert blaze]

Cause class balance exists

[buoyant salmon]

pi got nerfed

[covert blaze]

Outside of tier sets

[clever path]

arent all metrics and rankings based on tier sets inclusion?

[unreal onyx]

the only good thing from raid today I got was a curio

to get my myth helm appearance

[summer quail]

they got their damage profile changed a bit and PI got nerfed. still CD oriented tho

[covert blaze]

If something gets nerfed by 100% let's say, even if their next tier set is technically better they are still worse

[restive peak]

Ehhh we back to top 10 world DPS warr

[flat river]

OK

[covert blaze]

Number 1 pug warr tho, and also number 1 in my heart

[flat river]

LET

ME

COOK

[restive peak]

❤️ bae

[covert blaze]

/ban galastronk

[clever path]

I Once saw a DK that did 1.8m dps aoe and went nuts on ST

but he was like

14 region rank something

[restive peak]

Here comes Gala with an SMF AM build that does 40% less dps but does ok for 5s on pull POG

[naive summit]

i gapped this dh in +25 brh by a solid 5k dps because he just flopped to certain mechanics lol

[restive peak]

We are def not bad btw, we're just not as good as the meta specs

[clever path]

come on man

[naive summit]

war is the best class confirmed

[clever path]

maybe he will definately get something cool

[naive summit]

at least a solid A tier

[buoyant salmon]

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/chocotwo ratio

[clever path]

like yknow

they made planes with shitton of accidents and stuff

[naive summit]

a+ in dungeons where u cant pull a shit ton( which are none i believe xd)

[restive peak]

You're on your way bae

Did you quit temporarily? 😦

[buoyant salmon]

p[lay dh now

[restive peak]

Fair

Lol

[wild mica]

wait i thought imperative died

[restive peak]

Waste of a good warr D: is Imperative just staying dead?

[wild mica]

rigg went on a rant before christmas or something

[buoyant salmon]

not raiding

[buoyant salmon]

no clue

[wild mica]

ah

[clever belfry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NwJHg9Q2LCz7WhPk#fight=8&type=damage-taken&phase=1&ability=196587

[clever belfry]

@modest condor

[unreal onyx]

gratz

but how can you be top 10 without leggo

[clever belfry]

check this log

[restive peak]

Gaming

IDK

😛

[unreal onyx]

I heard it's impossible

[restive peak]

1 day I'll have leggo and I shall ascend

[young swan]

yeah doing well without the legendary is literally impossible

[wild mica]

the trick has to be the shirtless discord pic

[restive peak]

It gets the people goin

[clever path]

next week for sure

[restive peak]

It's comin bae

[buoyant salmon]

guys

i am getting omegagapped

by a ww

[waxen quail]

So I started playing again a few weeks ago, leveled my char and got to 483, currently arms is simming 10k DPS higher than fury (both my weapons are 483), would you play fury regardless?

[young swan]

ww is sick

we love ww

[restive peak]

WW is bigtime solid now

[wild mica]

ww is kinda cracked atm

[buoyant salmon]

gapperton city i am in

[modest condor]

900k absorb lol

[meager void]

a good ww is well within range of current gud furry

[wild mica]

i wish we were like fire mages who were already top dogs but still got buffed

[buoyant salmon]

i am on dh

[clever belfry]

leaf + TG

[wary fjord]

[restive peak]

I'm like 400 aspects behind on my DH

IDK man

I wanna grind em but also

Fuck it

[clever belfry]

noob tank took more dmg than me

[waxen quail]

Needing to grind aspect so you get wyrm so you can actually upgrade gear is the worst

[restive peak]

Once I'm 3600 on warr I'll commit to my shitter DH

[clever path]

man getting into 17s is hard even at 469 ilvl 😦 warriors hated that much in keys right now or what?

[restive peak]

I mean 469 ilvl is dog shit

At this point

[clever path]

so no alts allowed?

[restive peak]

Like you can do em, sure, but why would anyone not take the 50 other DPS at 485

[buoyant salmon]

ok look i know its cope

but i blame head enchant diff

and sockeys

[restive peak]

Head enchant best enchant

[somber elk]

Im Having a Hard time getting into 20s I Timed on 26

[cosmic lance]

Everyone else queueing is probably 480

[snow edge]

Alts are fine, but slam lower keys and build up if you’re trying to pug

[restive peak]

Or run your own key on an alt

[buoyant salmon]

god i am washed up

[cosmic lance]

You need to have pretty decent io linked to scam invites for your bait alts

[buoyant salmon]

gg

[restive peak]

Like I would never invite a 470ilvl char to a 17, even on my alt, I'd just grab the 485s

Haha what key choco

[clever path]

im trying to get razens eye its like a 3k dps increase for me

[buoyant salmon]

wm 26

[restive peak]

True

NGL I've been into like 25/26s on my DH

[clever path]

but i out dps some of those 480s because they suck...

[restive peak]

and just learned the flip into eye beam is actually for the buff, not style points

Noone cares in a pug, they don't know you

[buoyant salmon]

idk how to actually play dh

[restive peak]

Pugs pick the 5 best apps

XD

[buoyant salmon]

i just use all my cds on cd

[restive peak]

So your backflip triggers Initiative

[naive summit]

i heard immolation aura fel rush rage fire is insane dps

[restive peak]

Once I started doing that my DPS went up like 100k overall LOL

[devout matrix]

Do fury warriors generate Fury or Rage?

[restive peak]

We're furious but raging

[buoyant salmon]

wtf i got declined to a key

this class is trash

[storm rune]

I once got declined from an 11

True story

[naive summit]

feels bad getting decline to wm 25 when ive done a 27

the only keys i get into are mine or my friends

[wild mica]

pugging as warrior is just a test of patience and determination

[buoyant salmon]

im not applying to a 25 or lower dht

idc

i will get into a 26 or i wont play

[restive peak]

Look at that DH supremacy, you fuckin gamer

[buoyant salmon]

top 7k havoc world

bless

oh top 3.2k

same thing

[wild mural]

same diff

[young swan]

yeah i mean dogshit either way

[buoyant salmon]

wtf

reported to mod

[restive peak]

my DH is rank 6667 world we gaming

I really have to do keys on him, man. Faaaakkkk

If I just farmed my aspects I'd be like 486 on that char

[wild mica]

do you just pug

[buoyant salmon]

i refuse to farm aspects

[restive peak]

Kinda? but also play w guildies and I have some buddies who sub me in when 1 of their DPS are missing

I'm rarely in voice though

[wild mica]

pugging is so fucking annoying i cant get myself to do more than 1 or 2 keys at a time

dont have the patience anymore

[restive peak]

I mean like...I know enough people to get invites. Best way to put it

But I got there via pugging

[junior gale]

yeah thats the best way to push M+ either find a 5 man squad or do a lot of networking in the pug scene

[wary fjord]

I hate pugging cause I have encountered too many people who are high io, but some how don't know the mechanics in fights they have timed 20+ on

[wise torrent]

Is Fury doing fine m+/raids in current patch?

[restive peak]

A lot of people who only have +20s done

Purchase them

[wild mica]

yeah

[cosmic lance]

If you have gear you can just fail your way through +20s

[junior gale]

Fury is fine

[wary fjord]

Depends on what your definition of fine js

[cosmic lance]

Most mechanics wont kill you for standing in them

[wary fjord]

But ye

[restive peak]

Whenever we sell, we have a buyer in minutes

[wary fjord]

Fury is fine

[past pivot]

We’re not meta but we’re not Garbo either.

[restive peak]

Fury is mid to upper tier, but decently behind the meta specs

[cosmic lance]

I've had so many mages doing tank damage even up to 24/25s

[wary fjord]

Wait, no, we can't let blizzard hear that, fury is trash, please buff

[wild mica]

we sold titles in s1 so definitely not only 20s. its kinda ridiculous what people pay for

[restive peak]

Also depends what lvl of M+/Raiding you're doing

[cosmic lance]

Because people will just invite any mage they can half the time

[restive peak]

right lol

[naive summit]

fury A tier

[buoyant salmon]

mages are either insane or god awful

[naive summit]

dmg isnt the most important thing rn

[wild mica]

like why even play the game if all you do is pay for your "achievements"?

[naive summit]

its survivability

[restive peak]

I mean in 29/30s DMG matters a fuckton

[wise torrent]

Well I'm just a beginner anyways, but just to know people won't decline me in match making cuz I'm a fury warrior lol

[past pivot]

Meta/fomo specs will either be the best players you see. Or the worst. No in-between.

[restive peak]

You will have a rougher time in M+ as a fury warr than a DH, but you're not bad.

[devout matrix]

I get declined from 90% of keys. Maybe not outright but... takes me 5-10 minutes to get into a key typically.

[restive peak]

Rougher as in invites will take longer

[wise torrent]

oh well fk lol

[buoyant salmon]

alright i got bored of waiting for key so back to tft

gg

[wild mica]

queue on my aug: insta invite. queue on my war: crickets

[fallen grove]

anyone know the best combo trinkets for m+

[wise torrent]

sadge

[devout matrix]

I've 2-chested 20s and get passed over in 18s.. lol.. warrior doesn't bring a ton to the table in M+ compared to the meta.

[wild mica]

might of the ocean + augury prob

[buoyant salmon]

utilty doesnt matter

[wise torrent]

Whats the meta dps atm?

[past pivot]

Being declined has little to do with being a warrior as much as being a melee dps class. Too many others competing for the same spot.

[devout matrix]

I mean, realistically, why choose a warrior over a DH?

[cosmic lance]

With all the rogue specs, havoc and ww being so strong

[wild mica]

it does to an extent but definitely not as much as people think it does

[cosmic lance]

Warrior isnt very high on the list to invite

[buoyant salmon]

dh does more damage

[past pivot]

Augury and might are BIS. If no Augury, ember or crab are very good alternatives.

[fallen grove]

ok thanks i got crab and ocean so ill use those

[olive wraith]

You’re fighting for one of 2 dps spots

[fallen grove]

is ocean also used in ST if we dont have raid trinkets?

[olive wraith]

What other trinks do you have

Rezans is good

[fallen grove]

i have ocean crab eye and counterweight

[wise torrent]

dayum looks like beast mastery is doing insane dmg atm

[olive wraith]

Ocean and rezan probs

[past pivot]

It can but not the best. Rezan if you have it. Augury and Signet are best for long ST fights. Augury and Rezan for shorter ST fights. Ember or Rezan or Might or Pips all could work. Maybe Gore as well.

[fallen grove]

ok guess i need to pug the raid more lol

[olive wraith]

Def do fyrakk on lfr

Drops a champ track Aug

[past pivot]

^^

[wild mica]

nice

[unreal onyx]

is the dooming over?

[past pivot]

Welcome to the club. Have fun doing the farming.

[olive wraith]

Photoshopped

[wild mica]

i just finished farming

[olive wraith]

[wild mica]

it really wasnt as bad as i thought, it took like 4 hours maybe if you dont count the superbloom downtime

[junior gale]

Gratz

One day mine will come

[young swan]

its definitely more than 4 hours

just off of the 2 quests with the 5 min cd items

[wild mica]

go to proving grounds and spam reset the cooldown

[young swan]

already did the quest

ages ago at this point

[warm crag]

xan why didnt you reset the cd in proving grounds huh?

[young swan]

before proving grounds tech was well known..

[past pivot]

It took a full day. I was wfh and had to stop now and then but 4 hours seems way too short unless you’re not counting superblooms

[modest condor]

oh god the proving grounds tech is gonna get fixed before i get my lego surely

[past pivot]

What is the proving grounds tech?

[wild mica]

maybe 4 hours is underestimating a bit, 4 superblooms (got lots of buffs after first one), got rares super fast, proving grounds made it a joke and scenario took like 4 minutes

[wild mica]

when you start a trial in the proving grounds it resets your cooldowns

[sullen tendon]

having the legendary

[wild mica]

so you use the 5 min item and start/forfeit

[clever belfry]

bro where tf is proving grounds even in 2024

[wild mica]

you also cant die in the proving ground so you spam the "don't die" item and get it

i went in through garrison guy like you did back then

[covert blaze]

Take the portal to dn

[clever belfry]

uncalled for

[oblique trail]

[covert blaze]

I'm sorry

[wild mica]

i think theres a npc in dalaran or you can just fly there in pandaland

if you don't have garrison

[past pivot]

The fire item? I just went prot spec. Ignore pain and spell reflect. Took about 10 minutes. Or are we talking another part of the quest?

[unreal onyx]

I went into LFR for the bosses you gotta tether and used the item mid-pull

[wild mica]

that one. i just did it as fury, clicked it every 30 seconds in proving grounds. you literally can't die in proving grounds

[unreal onyx]

free heals

[iron owl]

is timewalking mjolnir runestone good to use?

[past pivot]

I did it at my garrison but in prot spec. Spell reflect is the key. Defensive stance. Ignore pain then spell reflect and use the item. Drop to about 35% hp max and then it resets in a minute or 2. Was the easiest part of the entire chain.

[sinful spoke]

grats

[hard badge]

Guys just dusted off my warrior and was wondering in m+ if I should use recklessness and avatar together or space them out?

[past pivot]

Didn’t even need any other defensive abilities. No shield wall or rallying cry or anything.

[oblique trail]

If by space them out you mean like the opener, then yes

[unreal onyx]

doesn't the item do dmg %-based?

[oblique trail]

Otherwise no, you want to use your CDs together

[unreal onyx]

so being prot doesn't change anythign

[wild mica]

ignore pain is what did most of the work there

[hard badge]

Can they be macroed together?

[oblique trail]

No do not macro it

[sinful spoke]

i just had a healer fried heal me

[olive wraith]

We press rek pre charge now.

[sinful spoke]

omegalol\

[hard badge]

Why is that? 😮

[wild mica]

with RA you get guarnateed rampage

to enrage

[pliant summit]

Macro every CD ability to one button with leap

[olive wraith]

Rek-charge. Gives you enough rage to press rampage

[past pivot]

I’m not sure. I guess it was IP. But that and reflect worked great. Only had 1 stack of IP up each time. Was ready t o do everything but it was laughably easy.

[hard badge]

Thank you

[olive wraith]

Check out the wowhead guide

Best place to start

[past pivot]

The best advice for the leggo was farming the surging lasher during emerald frenzy. I think that came from @runic pine so ty for that

[runic pine]

huge tech tbh

[misty socket]

Does spell reflect on Lady/Lord Waycrest spread poison?

[sullen tendon]

yes and no

[pliant summit]

I don’t think so?

[sullen tendon]

its invisible

so the tank will get it

[hybrid raft]

you reflect it back to the boss, and if someone is near the boss when it ends it spreads to them

[robust widget]

you can reflect it back to boss but the boss has the circle then and everyone in there will get it too

[sullen tendon]

the circle is invisible

but its still there

[hybrid raft]

yep

[sullen tendon]

so its bad unless ur in coms

[floral summit]

Sometimes u can see it

[pliant summit]

Ew that’s nasty

[covert blaze]

It's bad period

[sullen tendon]

does a buttload of dam tho

[covert blaze]

You want to reflect wasting strike anyway

[sullen tendon]

i dont think its a good idea to taunt the boss

[pliant summit]

You can spell reflect the DOT of the third boss in tides that shit HITS

[covert blaze]

I personally don't do it cause I only pug

[modest condor]

in pugs probably not, but in a coordinated group it's definitely worth, it does a TON of damage

[snow edge]

It’s a gamble in pugs for sure

[robust widget]

or reflect the breathing debuff from the big sentinel nagas on high fort keys

[covert blaze]

I get sad when I don't get targeted

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/JXdJX/0cbe391d87.png

big reflects

[sullen tendon]

i love the keys with flameshock casts on you every other cast and you do 400k single target on the boss

[robust widget]

same, also when Yazma decides to hit the same target 50 times but 0 times us warriors

[near gust]

i must say leggo might be on weaker side but active looks cool af

[robust widget]

how frequent can we reflect that?

[wild mica]

reflect on last boss in tot also does a fuckton but your tank needs to be paying attention because its a very fast cast

i miss nokhud offensive

[ember apex]

tot is goat for spell reflect, totem boss also has strong RNG reflect

[sullen tendon]

taunt after the boss casts the cone attack

it will cast ink blast right after

[pliant summit]

MAH THE GAME KNOWS I swear to god I’ll think about how big it would be to spell reflect this shit and it just won’t cast 💀💀

[modest condor]

every other

[wild mica]

on that boss i either reflect every single time or miss every single time. no inbetween

[ember apex]

same

if u get lucky w/ first thats it

[modest condor]

last boss tot is too risky imo

[robust widget]

real

[ember apex]

ur in

[robust widget]

i love having reflect baseline again

[ember apex]

bro b/c she knows not to cast it on warriors

she knows whats gonna happen

[past pivot]

I still want piercing howl as baseline. I miss that damn ability.

[modest condor]

piercing howl costing 2 talent points to take is lame

[olive wraith]

I think totem boss in tot is worse

[modest condor]

considering how much throughput we have in the class tree

[young swan]

yeah the opportunity cost is way too high

[olive wraith]

I can’t reflect flame shock

[sullen tendon]

theres a weakaura that puts ability timers on unit frames

it tells you when next flameshock is gonna get casted

[cosmic lance]

Yeah its still entirely RNG if its you or not

Just hit it on the timer and pray

[modest condor]

mechanics that don't show who they're gonna be on are unfair

tree boss stun, last boss brh shadow bolt, tot flame shock

[ember apex]

they should just make a multi-use talent for warrior where spell reflection is. label it "Utility" and when u talent it u get
spell reflect, aoe fear, piercing howl, shockwave, stormbolt, 12second interrupt, berserker's rage, berserkers shout, and 250% improved rallying cry.

[modest condor]

lol

[storm rune]

At least in this case it works out for us, Spell reflect on CD and let the others worry about living

[cosmic lance]

I still sucks for us either way

Because you send SR and it targets someone else

Then it hits you the next cast

[modest condor]

it only works out because the flame shock never 1shots us, but im pretty sure several specs get 1shot on 29 tyrannical without anything up

[storm rune]

But it'll be up next cast

[mossy fox]

yo this is like the same power level as sanctified plates

[cosmic lance]

He casts it every 7(?) seconds

[ember apex]

idk what that is

[modest condor]

paladin talent

[sullen tendon]

he has abilitys that put it off

[modest condor]

that is like 3 of our talents in 1

[sullen tendon]

earth aoe and totem offset it by like 10 second

[cosmic lance]

You still dont have reflect for every cast

Every 2nd at best

[sullen tendon]

yea

every cast would be op

it would give people a reason to bring warriors

[pliant summit]

I have one but that’s cus I’m just different like that

[cosmic lance]

The only way you can sort of game it is you can't be targetted by it twice in a row afaik

[storm rune]

idk I've never missed a SR that I wasn't absolutely already spacing out on so far this season

[pliant summit]

Wait yall what’s a good parse number?

[storm rune]

Anything over 50

[pliant summit]

OH SHIT OK DAMN

tyty

[young swan]

its kind of relative

for me i would consider anything under 80 pretty bad

[wild mica]

we should have berserker rage base and then you move the howl/shout node up one.

[trim cape]

green is good 🙂

[storm rune]

At that point you're technically better than more than half the other raiders of that spec

[cosmic lance]

The parse number is a percentile. 50 means you're in the top 50% - 80 means you're in the top 20% etc

[trim cape]

blue is better, purple is pog, orange is ok

[young swan]

shouldnt focus on the actual number so much as you should focus on just improving

[trim cape]

pink is pretty good

[pliant summit]

TF 😭😭😭

[devout matrix]

Ran heroic the other night as aug, and our hunter parsed #1 worldwide on Velcro.

[pliant summit]

I got a 97 in hero council 🙏🙏🙏

[young swan]

thats good

[modest condor]

that's one way to do it yeah

[unreal onyx]

progress

[storm rune]

Nothing beats #1 😎

[pliant summit]

Yall reckon if I tell the girl I like I got a 97 parse on council she’ll go on a date with me???

[wild mica]

the cacophonous roar/menace node also just needs to go

[ember apex]

255 pulls damnn

[unreal onyx]

that's nothing for tindral

[pliant summit]

1 is wild 😭😭😭😭

[cosmic lance]

Isnt tindral prog like a bunch of 30 seconds wipes?

[unreal onyx]

yes

[cosmic lance]

Until people learn p1

The best kind

[unreal onyx]

40s more like

[wild mica]

you're just at the begining of your tindral adventure

[storm rune]

It was so sad, I had interrupt on CD and no one kicked the damn tree, got dazed into the Gnarlroot transition where he 1-shots anyone standing under him lmao

Then they fucking Brezzed me in no mans land during a root phase, soaked twice, got zero heals and died agane

[pliant summit]

💀💀💀

Bro is in the trenches

[rigid fulcrum]

I told my wife I got 3500 io and she said "that's great!" in the exact same way you would say it to a 5 year old who hit a double in tee ball

[young swan]

idk i had my r1 in my dating app bio for a bit and it didnt get me anywhere

[robust widget]

they dont know what they are missing

[trim cape]

didn't skyline kill tindral after like 1000 pulls

[young swan]

yeah

[storm rune]

I just put "Ask me about my Neopets" to lure in all the unstable goth ladies

[young swan]

but they also killed an INSANELY hard version of the boss

[modest condor]

skyline has always been like that

they just chain pull

every endboss they're like 600 pulls or something

[young swan]

like that very same version of the boss would be unkillable for anyone outside of the top 20 world

maybe like top 30

[modest condor]

🤓 actually about 15 guilds killed that version of the boss

but yeah

my guild definitely would never have killed it like that

[young swan]

idk what ur talking about

[modest condor]

rewriting history

[young swan]

silm did u see gregoronsens talent tree

[modest condor]

no

[trim cape]

CONGRATULATIONS (tindral was harder on release) on the TSWIFT KILL (it was harder on release) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (Tindral used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (he used to have more hp) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (the fight used to be even harder) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (he used to D/C you) your group stuck (tindral used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (tindral used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (he used to do so much more damage) once again, and here's to more success in your future (tindral is a hard boss) endeavors!!!

[young swan]

oh joy

hold on i have an imgur of the fury + class tree

https://imgur.com/a/I2XJS9n

[summer quail]

hmh AM in the class tree. mans cooking

[young swan]

YESSIR

[modest condor]

piercing howl bfa version

[young swan]

the way it shouldbe

[modest condor]

50% slow, 10 rage cost, no cooldown

pretty sure i've said that multiple times

that they should add a followup node that makes piercing howl the bfa version

[sullen tendon]

no way

[fickle bluff]

nice imgur xantaga

[sullen tendon]

warriors would have some form of utility then

that cant hapipen

[storm rune]

I stopped reading at "Pummel has a 30 seconds CD"

[young swan]

thank u i made it myself

[young swan]

thats not what it says

[modest condor]

not sure how i feel about gag order putting pummel on cooldown

that's not how it used to work is it?

[wild mica]

what if they're waiting for gladiator spec to give warriors utility? it's the next support spec with banners and shouts and shit

[modest condor]

it was just a silence

[storm rune]

It's just a lot of words when you really just want to say "Buff Slam"

[timid notch]

@modest condor what was your highest rating in m+

[modest condor]

i was 6 points above the 0.1% title cutoff in shadowlands season 2

that's the highest i've been

[clever path]

gladiator spec aint happening

neither hero glad spec

neither anything glad related

[wild mica]

support glad spec does kinda make sense though

[clever path]

it does

[rustic obsidian]

is it worth delaying odyns on smolderon M for the orb collection??

[wild mica]

they opened the can of worms with aug, now we need a glad support and a shaman support

[rustic obsidian]

like 10s?

[clever path]

but iirc blizz told in one interview that it is such typical idea that they dont want to implement it

[summer quail]

shove the worms back in. no supp specs in WoW

[clever path]

and i wouldnt be surprised that theres going to be more support related things in hero talents tho

for sure

[wild mica]

thats what I would do but blizz aint going back

[clever path]

cant remove aug from every comp now

too deep in bucko

dracthyr was a mistake

they should have just made alliance orc version

lgihtforged orc

[olive wraith]

For sure we getting more supports

[clever path]

Isnt like lightsmith full of support gizmos and shit

for paladin

[wild mica]

there are already enough paladins

[clever path]

i know , i d like to have more warriors instead

but lets face it, paladin is the most appealing class for girls and kinkmoggers

[rain lake]

@oblique trail is this trinket any good?

[clever belfry]

no

[clever path]

yea totally worthless

[earnest galleon]

disenchant

[modest condor]

grats on the 80 gold

[rain lake]

thx guys, ill sell it then

[oblique trail]

Yeah consider getting Brand too

=)

[clever path]

yea vendor sounds good idea

[snow edge]

Next week surely Banezi

[clever path]

man

those words are so painful to hear

next week surely

its like sending a message to a crush

and its left on seen

[snow edge]

It’s the warrior catchphrase

Augury, legendary, balancing - all next week

[clever path]

i cri evertime

[north edge]

augury is overrated

does like 2% extra damage on details than Fyrakk's tainted heart

but tainted heart makes you live everything

[summer quail]

ah yes, living stuff. fury warriors biggest problem

[north edge]

it is when your bad

[clever path]

yea definately

not like that fury isnt a dps spe

spec

its a tanking spec after all right

[snow edge]

2% overall? That’s pretty big tbh

[clever path]

none of us are bad here

just fyi

[north edge]

the tainted heart active does like 4% of my damage in keys , augury 5-6%

[clever path]

augry huge

[north edge]

im pretty sure vers > crit too

but the amount of leeway you have with tainted heart is insane

like not having to run away from mechanics

to pump out extra dps

[snow edge]

Heart isn’t bad, but Augury is definitely better

[clever path]

i have augry

and i never run away

same effect

[modest condor]

i'll let my RL know next time it drops

[north edge]

im just saying the effective damage might be the same

because of the amount of mechanics you can ignore

and therefore increased uptime

[snow edge]

Uhh that’s a stretch I reckon

[clever path]

Bro assumes that we are chicken

and run away from mechanics

[snow edge]

I’d say a reasonable argument is that heart isn’t necessarily a bad trinket; similar to taking a 489 Ember if you had a chance

Decent damage, decent additional survivability

[fleet cargo]

was almost beating a S tier class on a +13 everbloom

notice his item level

im 460

his 473 outlaw ^^

and look at that awful frost mage he was 457

[modest condor]

i mean tainted heart is definitely not bad, especially on high keys it's another big defensive which can be useful on some sketchy trash pulls, but it's still objectively a dps loss, and requires knowing when and how to use the shield, so i wouldnt recommend people use it in low-mid range keys

[sand crest]

am I correct in thinking rezan > signet brand in keys if you cant keep stacks up

[olive wraith]

Probably

I’d personally run crab if you have the option

Assuming no Aug

[next canopy]

#transmog message

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-dps-wow-classic-gif-1071730007866166627

Vote season 2

[fleet cargo]

ya onslaught build was best ^^

[oblique trail]

ok too far sorry @rain lake

taking it back

[next canopy]

If they make that onslaught hit harder it would feel like

[meager void]

crit scaling compressing rotation towards more BTs

[restive peak]

I think a lot of people will run rageheart + augury as keys get higher and higher, esp w leggo and such scaling with vers and survivability being a big thing

It’s a minor dmg loss in MT for a decent survivability bump; some classes are running ember even, noxiv runs 489 ember but that could also just be vault/trinket luck

[rain lake]

ill get it next week

[oblique trail]

I believe

Lego + aug/brand for both of us

[rain lake]

yeah double lego would be so good

[cosmic lance]

I think my heroic augury is broken ngl

Its not performing as advertised by previous wielders

[still swift]

who did u steal it from

[cosmic lance]

Fyrakk

[still swift]

how did he advertise it

[cosmic lance]

I was told you equip it and do 400k overall every dungeon

but nah its averaging like 4-5%

489 ember would actually be pretty competitive with that tbh

Mainstat and 3.5% vers

[oblique trail]

My LFR augury does like 4-5% (5% is omega good rng) in most keys I've used it

Until I get HC eventually I'll just keep using Ember

[cosmic lance]

Yeah thats my H augury at 489, still only getting 4-5%

maybe a bit over 5

Maybe im just lowrolling

[unreal onyx]

my nm one does like 5-8% in m+

[cosmic lance]

Only done a handful of keys with it

[wild mural]

im so fed up of tw

im doing it on ym 4th cahr

[unreal onyx]

why

[wild mural]

masochist

[covert blaze]

I did 15 tw yday

And 10 the day before

[wild mural]

This will be my 20th today

[oak panther]

dungeon slice works for fury?

[eternal sundial]

yea it works

[snow edge]

It works, but you largely don't need to use it - ST sim with some critical thinking applied to trinkets is fine

[wild mural]

Warriors and critical thinking

[azure coyote]

[wild mural]

Tricky for us

[analog marlin]

Guys

I must be an idiot but every time I use the legendary ability I lose DPS. When should I use it? For example in M+ and Raid.

[tepid scroll]

Whats the dps increase on those name changes?

[past pivot]

Did you read the pins about it?

[naive summit]

@oblique trail warrior tankier, thats about it i feel a good dh does 20% more dam than us

[naive summit]

is champ aug bis for aoe if u dont have better aug?

[clever path]

Yes

[clever path]

Big packs for m+
For raid i would only use if you have nothing available and can ramp right after

No cds up, not during lust

Its an after thought

Big sad

[olive wraith]

I mean maybe a mythic track trink might perform better

But that’s a sim question

[past pivot]

What is champ? Might would be BIS. If no Augury, then it would probably be Crab/Ember/Gore/Pip, maybe Mirror.

[chilly fractal]

Champion track

[past pivot]

Even an LFR Augury pumps.

[unreal onyx]

any aug is bis

[olive wraith]

Lfr is champion track

[unreal onyx]

higher ilvl are just a bonus

[north edge]

my 489 augury doingl ike 5% in atal

feels kinda shit

[analog marlin]

Okay

[north edge]

getting omegagapped by a demo lock in 26 AD

[meager void]

how did the bosses look?

[north edge]

I was top

but yeah fortified week

so the big trash pulls i feel so helpless

[meager void]

yeah

[void valley]

Thanks heroic trash helmet

Time for perma rune

[cedar edge]

i use legendary on igira for the knock back protection GIgaChad

[devout matrix]

It was more rhetorical in context. I doubt most m+ group leaders are picking based on tankiness alone. I think rogue, DH, monk are all more attractive than we are with all things being equal.

[oblique trail]

Why'd I get pinged

[eternal sundial]

@oblique trail get pinged again nerd

[devout matrix]

No idea @oblique trail

[north edge]

if we had lust we'd get into the melee cleave groups that dont run aug

[meager void]

groups are vibing bm, enh, fury or bm, ret, fury

[north edge]

bm just so squish at 26+s

we'd be able to replace them if we had lust

[cosmic lance]

If you had lust he'd get his other pet out and not be so squishy

[north edge]

dont they mostly swap it aroudn to pop lust anyway

[snow edge]

Hunters feign death also pretty big for some dungeons / abilities

[cosmic lance]

Yeah but times you're using lust are probably also when they want defensives

bosses or dangerous trash pulls

[oak socket]

is sim accurate? mythic aug simming less than nullifying heroic?

[past pivot]

I seriously doubt it.

[north edge]

actually now that i think about it

[snow edge]

a) Sims are accurate b) if you’re getting a weird sim result, link sim

[north edge]

if we'd gotten ancient aftershock in place of shockwave

that would be insane

[oak socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hk4Vag7N8EHJH94vaLzUcn
5t/5m.

[past pivot]

5 minutes for 5 targets? wtf

[red berry]

ignoree how bright this is i cant help HDR

if i save this for the legendary quest, will it count

[unreal onyx]

no

[red berry]

kms

[unreal onyx]

not if you don't have it already

[red berry]

thanks

[snow edge]

What are you trying to determine using a 5t 5min sim?

[oak socket]

which trinkets to run for m+

[past pivot]

No one runs a 5-minute 5 target sim

[snow edge]

Honestly, at that point use Dungeon Slice

[oak socket]

oh.. other classes are so i kinda just assumed warriors are too lol

[past pivot]

Do 5 minutes 1 target or 5 targets 1 minute. Or just use your regular top gear and swap trinkets

[unreal onyx]

you can use dslice for a rough estimate

but fury mt is basically ST, so you can use 1T 5min with some critical thinking of trinkets

[oak socket]

ok

but in this case, if u had mythic aug, heroic null and ocean, which 2 would u run for m+? or sim it still?

[past pivot]

They do? No dungeon I know has a fight with 5 targets up for 5 minutes

[unreal onyx]

aug + might all day for m+

[snow edge]

But trinkets are pretty easy to choose based on anecdotal evidence - Augury + Might is pretty much BiS from a damage point of view, while Ember has less output but better survivability

[past pivot]

Augury and Might are BIS for m+

[dapper goblet]

vote season 2

[oak socket]

ok ty. yeah fire mage for instance, for m+ they say to use the 5t/5m

[modest condor]

@honest sundial

[supple laurel]

whats the name of the addon to see which ability is pressed

[coarse nest]

That screenshot I made manually by adding the wowhead images to my discord as emojis

[supple laurel]

ahh, but I've seen it on some streams as well

[coarse nest]

I believe details has a plugin for that

[supple laurel]

you can see the rotation and the image of the ability appears as they press it

ooo

[clever path]

guys

if no lege next week

rip

i ll go touch grass and drop some weight

[past pivot]

You said that already

[clever path]

if lege drops

oh i did

im sorry then

[north edge]

about 1/3 of the top warriors have leggos atm

next week will be 1/2

[unreal onyx]

surely

[meager void]

yes this how blizz does the math

[supple laurel]

how long does a season usually last? never played one throughout it's entirety

6 months?

[glad coyote]

hall of fame isnt even filled up

[cosmic lance]

They generally just follow the raid cycle

[glad coyote]

im guessing we still got awhile left

[cosmic lance]

Next season wont be until fated raid

[past pivot]

Tswift nerfs inc. Hall of Fame coming soon

[unreal onyx]

finally

[dapper goblet]

fyrakk still exists

[clever path]

I ll devouver you whole

[oblique raft]

imagine having the lego

[cosmic lance]

I swear zoning into Rise gives people the brain rot

[clever path]

feel the bite of Fyr'alath

[clever path]

why?

its best dungeon ever made

[drowsy sage]

Our prot pala got it today, first one in raid 🙂

in guild*

[clever path]

prot

two hander

he no longer is your tank

he is now your dps

[cosmic lance]

I've been trying to get a 25+ rise done for like, 2 weeks now

[drowsy sage]

we already have 3 rets XD

[cosmic lance]

And it just instabricks every time to the stupidest shit

[clever path]

1st boss 25 wipes?

[cosmic lance]

First or battlefield

every time

If you make it past the initial trash

[silent gazelle]

Mythic Tindral now a heroic boss

what a joke

[cosmic lance]

I've watched so many people get their orbs then just stand in the middle of the room so he frontals the pillar

[stuck bison]

this is so true because of the mathematics. drop rate increases exponential surely like %100

[clever path]

this is why i tank

and i tank that dungeon only on dk

because you can literally solo everything on bdk

in rise

[north edge]

on my +24 rise i almost 2 chested it

[cosmic lance]

I had a dk try to pull two mini bosses with like 5 magus' in a pug with no comms or kicks assigned

[north edge]

on +25 i dont think ive gotten past battlefield in like 3 attempts

[tacit crag]

The pug life

[north edge]

eveyrthing so punishing

death at the tank = 2 min run back

[clever path]

wait for them to start casting valley and then go limb

works everytim

[cosmic lance]

Just had a DH fel rush across the arena with mortars

instead of just backpedalling

[clever path]

lol

[cosmic lance]

killed the healer

[clever path]

your have some kamikaze pugs

ngl

[cosmic lance]

Its actually insane

[north edge]

I've been able to get into more and mroe pugs lately

which was not the same scenario back when i was just timing 20 keys

[clever path]

i go prot

insta invite to pugs

unless its higher than 20

then i just go bdk

[north edge]

3250 io and im nearly the top fury in my realm

lol

[cosmic lance]

Last week i had a healer say he was doing the orbs on last boss, he didnt know how the worked

[north edge]

meanwhile 3300 on dh and youd be like 120th

[clever path]

i need to stop boosting 20s and lower and start pushing

[cosmic lance]

So he just stood in it and didnt move

[clever path]

[clever path]

still,

you know whats funnier?

when healer says he will do orbs, and he waits for debuff kinda to fall off, and then goes out of the orb when its still didnt tick off

and then you still get 2 stacks

and he does it eveery faken time

its like 1 sec remaining and boom, 2 stacks

enjoyoooyooo

[cosmic lance]

i'm oce so theres a lot less groups to pick from

Cant play on 250 ping US realms

[clever path]

move here to latvia

enjoy some eu gaming

[north edge]

im oce too

[cosmic lance]

I have considered faking my death and moving to europe to start again

Maybe now is the time

[north edge]

we might be competing for the only warrior spots once every 25 keys

[young swan]

@sudden tusk sorry u didnt get to kill the real version of the boss

[sudden tusk]

we kill tonight

[cosmic lance]

tbh its not so bad when its not dumb affix weeks that require dispels

[slim coral]

Finally tindral got nerfed holy

[junior gale]

Next week it dies

[clever path]

but reclear

if i d be raiding

and we d be so close

id shoot myself rather than wait another week to reclear again

[snow edge]

It's not too bad, although there's not a huge amount of 26+ OCE keys around

[cosmic lance]

Nah most of the big oce gamers are all in push groups

[unreal onyx]

Oh yea for sure

[north edge]

i cant imagine a warrior would ever get invited to a push group

ive been pugging my way through 25s so far

[cosmic lance]

I've been invited to a couple but i work away so im not on every week

[covert blaze]

Lol they made tindral a joke

[cosmic lance]

So theres no point

[unreal onyx]

Surely tindral is a 10 pull boss now

[north edge]

the problem is at the end of every key

[covert blaze]

Might as well be

[north edge]

im like the bottom of the dps

so nobody would want to invite the warrior at the bottom

[noble elm]

This is not a warrior problem

Unless you only play with hunters and demon hunters

And they’re always ballers

[north edge]

i only invite DHs and demos and Hunters

since you know

i want to time the key

[past pivot]

Aug

[north edge]

some mages are really good but some are godawful so i dont take the chance

[noble elm]

Timers are pretty lenient even at 25, but im the same. Hedge my bets

[north edge]

augs i also havent had a great experience with, feels like they make timers tight

[cosmic lance]

They're lenient but a couple good wipes and you'll deplete

[noble elm]

Aug is great if you know your 2 dps are great and won’t die

Soon as that dps dies you’re hurting

[north edge]

yeah but one of those dps is a fury warrior

[cosmic lance]

I've had a lot more bait mages than good ones

[north edge]

capped at 5 targets on aoe

we just dont get alot of value from augs

[noble elm]

What is your overall at the end of a key because I feel like I’m generally not -that- far behind

[north edge]

just did a AD i was 240k

26

[hardy cargo]

hallelujah tindral nerfs for all of us out here progging him, we are saved

[north edge]

BM hunter was just slightly above me and the demo lock gapped us he was like 285k

[noble elm]

That’s not really a massive gap, AD you can get trolled on overall if the lock blows cds on the double bird packs

Bunch of nonelites inflates overall a bunch but it’s not really value

[cosmic lance]

BRH is like that with fel bats

remove fel bat damage and the meters are significantly closer

[north edge]

on tyran weeks

i feel like im decent

fortified i just bring nothing

if shockwave was a knockback like ancient aftershock

ratehr than a triple DR'd stun

that'd be alot better

[cosmic lance]

If you're playing with genuinely good locks/hunters/DHs you're gonna get shit on though

No two ways about it

Unless they misplay a bunch

[north edge]

even rets on forti weeks

are gapping me

[noble elm]

Locks are the worst because of implosion

[north edge]

and like my gear is decent too

so its not like ill be getting any big upgrades to it

[noble elm]

I kinda came to the same conclusion, we’re not a liability but all we offer is damage and we’re not even the best damage so 🤷

[north edge]

just a offhand that could do with a 489

[cosmic lance]

tbh I just focus on slapping shit that's going to slow us down

[noble elm]

I’m only really trying for 3-3.1k so I don’t let it bother me much

[cosmic lance]

You're never going to out-pad a hunter/rogue etc

Just do stuff that helps get through the key

I wish we had outlaw arms ngl

[north edge]

im wondering if dropping shockwave for that 2% crit

would help

[cosmic lance]

Nah not a chance

[hardy cargo]

dont do that

[noble elm]

That’d be pretty troll

[mossy fox]

it would not

[north edge]

shockwave feels godawful in alot of the comps i play in

[noble elm]

Dropping your main utility for almost no damage lol

[snow edge]

Shockwave is very handy

[cosmic lance]

AoE stop is huge value

[snow edge]

Handy > 2% crit

[noble elm]

Handys are pretty value

[north edge]

do you guys run a DR tracker

I feel like half the time I use shockwave mobs are already triple DRd

[cosmic lance]

As long as it stops the casts thats the main part

The stun duration is secondary

[north edge]

yeah but it doesnt even stop the cast

[cosmic lance]

If they're full DR then unlucky

[north edge]

I like bringing VDH and Havoc to keys might be why

[cosmic lance]

Could probably ditch storm bolt for fear if your group has plety fo stuns and DR is an issue

[snow edge]

I mean if they're fully DR'd you're in a bad spot anyway; have only had that happen a handful of times, and it's usually only when there's 1 or 2 mobs left that are being finished off

[cosmic lance]

They usually end up full DR because someone started firing off stuns earlier than necessary

[north edge]

does the engieering belt knock stop casts?

or does it just move mobs

[celest sierra]

im so sad, season 3 tier is winning in the votes

[mossy fox]

some mobs will still cast when displaced

[plush ice]

does Avatar buff Wrecking Throw

[mossy fox]

same logic as death grip

[plush ice]

trying to decide if i need to use it after OF on Tindrel's shield

or just wait till the ava buff has dropped

[buoyant salmon]

tindral just got FUCKED

gg

[plush ice]

yeah

we are almost out of p2

[mossy fox]

in my experience you can do of bb ramp throw bb

[plush ice]

but none of us are sad about the nerfs

[celest sierra]

Guyys need every fury warrior in here to go vote for season 2 tier

[plush ice]

ok, so you just replaced a lower priority cast w/ wrecking throw

[mossy fox]

and it all fits in the ava window... but thats with lust actually

[clever path]

LOL

[plush ice]

yeah we lust there as well

[north edge]

jesus

[buoyant salmon]

heroic tindral is so fucking easy too

[north edge]

i guess its like those LFG runs you join

that are like 3/9H GUILD PROG

[mossy fox]

then on last shield you should have ava so you can fit everything in anyway

[cosmic lance]

It's all relative

[north edge]

im surprised those guilds still exist

[clever path]

Ayooo i cleared heroic week 2

lfr isnt even a thing

i am more baffled

[plush ice]

yeah, we havn't got to last shield yet, ibh, for p1/p2 i just looked at the vid you posted the other day and copied it

[buoyant salmon]

heroic fyrak is factually harder than heroic tindral

[clever path]

because today i got enlightened, that LFR is a big deal for most people who play wow

[buoyant salmon]

h tindral doesnt have mechanics

[clever path]

like a huuuuge playerbase that just does lfr

and that is so mind blowing to me

[plush ice]

i hadn't been taking the one min roar, but it looked like you got good value out of it at 2Min on the shield w/ the dmg buff, so i stole that

hehe

[cosmic lance]

I meant more the heroic tindral is easy

[plush ice]

although ibh, next week ina world where the :50 mark isn't spiecy, i might just use my cd's at pull and again on the shields/buffs

[cosmic lance]

Like it is to anyone that's got any raiding experience

Lot of people out there that aren't so good tho

[clever path]

still, week 2 we had a lot of wipes just because we went in with 450 ilvl or something

454 , maybe a bit higher

but overall it was easy as fuck

is there a keybind mode addon like in elvui but for default ui?

[fickle bluff]

bartender/dominos

[past pivot]

Just did a 20 EB and my HC Augury did 6.9% of the damage, for reference.

[cosmic lance]

Mine must be faulty

[past pivot]

Change it to the other slot lol

[clever path]

which one is more stylish

or customizable

domino?

[deft lance]

Nymue is kind of a pain in the butt for uptime sometimes

[fickle bluff]

i swear by dominos

i think bartender is more default

[past pivot]

Bartender is updated more frequently. It used to be a little bit of a memory hog so I went to Dominos but it was basically left for dead last xpac so I went back to BT and kept with it even when Domi came back for DF

[clever path]

Bartender seems to be more vanilla ui friendly

gonna roll with that

thanks guys

is there also a way to change / remove or minimize how quest log looks like along with the map, make it smaller maybe or something ?

[restive peak]

Bro these tindral nerfs are dogwater wtf

Patchwerk boss for penultimate

[sullen dove]

patchwerk

def way chiller

Idk why they toss fire beams p1 tho

[modest condor]

i bet it's still not even close to how hard mythrax nerfs hit

[sullen dove]

they were like… so cool

or like it is such a cool mechanic

idk feel like it’s hard to die to them anyway

[modest condor]

that boss went from a 200+ pulls boss to a 2 night boss

[cosmic lance]

Seems a bit early in the tier to be nerfing it that much

[clever path]

def not

[sullen dove]

Oh it’s “A” cast of fire beams

[young swan]

to be fair tindral just went from like 350 pulls to like 200 LMAO

[modest condor]

just seems that way because the first 6 bosses are pushovers

[sullen dove]

not every fire beam is gone

[clever path]

its .5 next week

or something

[modest condor]

thre are almost 1k guilds stuck on tindral now

[clever path]

^

[young swan]

yeah just the only hard beam set got removed lol

[cosmic lance]

Yeah they havent removed all the fire beams, its 1 cast according to those notes

Which is probably the one hard one

[young swan]

bye bye root beam overlap

[modest condor]

it said "the" at first but they edited it i think

we'll see how hard it is now

even a 100 pull boss would make it fairly standard for a penultimate boss

[young swan]

yeah its definitely more in line

much more linear difficulty curve phase-to-phase as well

[sullen dove]

wiping to seeds should just like.. be an automatic gdisband now tho right

[clever path]

only like

[sullen dove]

Literally no excuse

[clever path]

200 guilds killed tindral

[restive peak]

Idk man I think the no double seed is garbage, legit

[clever path]

i think

[restive peak]

That was the one staple of the fight imo

This is an epic nuking

[clever path]

i mean the fight is

one mistake

instawipe

[sullen dove]

yea but seeds like… CANT kill you anymore

[restive peak]

Good, it’s the penultimate boss of the tier

[clever path]

ue

[sullen dove]

unless everyone turns their monitors off

[restive peak]

We’re only 9 weeks into like a 24+ week tier

[clever path]

ye not anymore

[restive peak]

They went from Uber hard to irrelevant in one nerf

[modest condor]

they could have made it work like heroic but just increase the damage increase per stack

so you can do 2 or 3 with a big defensive or soak all with an immunity

[clever path]

ye that sounds reasonable

[restive peak]

So happy I killed it pre nerf, I would be genuinely upset if I were progging tindral and near a kill rn and this happened

[quiet geyser]

or.. they could have just made 1 of the seed nerfs

[restive peak]

^

[quiet geyser]

reducing the amount + getting rid of the insta wipe, was a bit much

[modest condor]

well considering 200 guilds already killed it you could also say "if you are this close to a kill when it gets nerfed maybe just git gud"

just kill it before the nerfs next time 4Head

[clever path]

i mean there are like 1245 billion guilds stuck on tindral rn

[modest condor]

yeah i know it's a hard boss and many of those guilds are very happy that it's getting deleted (including mine)

but if you're in one of those guilds that ends the week with a 4% wipe and you could have killed it with 1 more day

then just git gud next time

[clever path]

ye

its time for it to get gutted so the rest can clear hopefully

[cosmic lance]

830 guilds on tindral rn according to rio

[clever path]

[modest condor]

crazy

[cosmic lance]

still, normally nerfs that big are after HOF is over

[clever path]

hof guilds are stuck on it

[modest condor]

if tindral ends up being a 100-150 pull boss then smolderon - trindral - fyrakk is a perfect difficulty curve

[clever path]

with 500 pulls

[restive peak]

I mean I’m past it, but I enjoyed the challenge, I’d be very disappointed if I were still progging it

[modest condor]

actually how many pulls does smolderon even take now with the recent nerfs

[clever path]

100 for sure

[junior gale]

We only have a week of prog on Tswift so im down for the nerfs but yeah F anyone was is close to a kill

[modest condor]

we took 80 pulls or something but we already had a bunch before the nerfs

i think we had 2 days of prog after the nerfs

[clever path]

git gud

look at that pull count

so i got the spores of alacrity trinket. and it is so bad that it didnt even make it on the list of trinkets for the BiS list. why does this game hate me so much 😦

imagine if we had tindral 2.0 after tindral

sepulcher all over again

[modest condor]

tbf 200+ of those are sub 1 minute p1 wipes

[cosmic lance]

Yeah i'd have thought the pull count is inflated by the fast wipes

[junior gale]

yeah Tswift pull count is pretty inflated

[cosmic lance]

Compared to fyrakk

It is debatably a harder boss

more pulls & prog hours

[clever path]

sample size

[cosmic lance]

lol

[clever path]

too 🤏

how do i make this look less like shit

[modest condor]

nah tindral is for sure harder

[hasty path]

you guys dooming way too hard

its going from 400-500+ pulls

to 200-300

[cosmic lance]

Yeha fyrakk is also only killed by the higher end guilds atm

[clever path]

tindral is def harder

[junior gale]

stop tracking your quests

[modest condor]

idk if it's 200-300 after the nerfs

the hardest overlap in p1 is gone