#fury

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clever path
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how does prot pala heal lol

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i just tried tanking 20

ember apex
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wog

quaint stag
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I will admit though, Academy tree boss next season with s3 will be quite fun padding

unreal onyx
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only?

olive wraith
light sandal
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in terms of dps though s# is better

clever path
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....

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thats it

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?

keen vigil
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How does Fury Warrior apply marks with leggo?

olive wraith
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Blessed hammer heals some

ember apex
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they're not hard casting holy light

clever path
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thats so lame

unreal onyx
ember apex
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if thats what ur asking

clever path
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id rather play health bar ping pong on bdk

unreal onyx
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any dmg ability applies the mark afaik

clever path
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atleast i can solo bosses on dk

ember apex
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bdk think that the RL calling for a wipe = 1v1 vs boss right now

clever path
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doable

olive wraith
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Yes let me just take this stacking damage mechanic for 20 minutes

clever path
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ah you are about raid

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raid no

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m+ yes

unreal onyx
ember apex
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and then immune the debuff off w/ anti magic sausage

quaint stag
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Are we just getting all the df dungeons updated for s4?

unreal cape
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does "piece of hero equipment" mean an item from amirdrassil heroic?

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ember apex
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yes

unreal onyx
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no

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this week is nm piece

ember apex
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no like i was saying

clever path
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no

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its hero

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the timewalking dungeon 5

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is champ

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raid one is hero

proud crown
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different quest ye

ember apex
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'raid one'?

unreal cape
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but thats a different quest

fickle bluff
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revisionist history

clever path
unreal cape
unreal onyx
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the raid one yea that's hero

clever path
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lol no

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its tw stuff only

hollow elk
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Hero level stuff from two raid

olive wraith
unreal cape
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huh

ember apex
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isnt there some cracked ulduar item

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for fury

hollow elk
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There are some good trinkets

ember apex
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oh bro ulduar shit has armor penetration

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omfg

unreal cape
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i dont get it, i can hero equip from ulduar thats gonna be scaled to our ilvl ?

ember apex
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i didnt even think about that

hollow elk
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None for fury cuz they all two min

unreal cape
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so its not amirdrassil heroic items?

clever path
clever path
fickle bluff
# olive wraith ?

fury was good but then it didnt get buffs while a lot of other specs did, leaving it not that good at the end of the tier

unreal cape
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oh okay

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so basically its not worth to do then

clever path
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You also can get invincible from there

olive wraith
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S2 still did really good aoe

clever path
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thats how i got it

olive wraith
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Idk how you say that’s revisionist

fickle bluff
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"st sucked"

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it just didnt

olive wraith
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It did

proud crown
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it did

hollow elk
olive wraith
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We were bottom of the pack for st

unreal cape
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S2 aoe was great, but ST sucked

unreal onyx
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S2 ST was bad

vagrant imp
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wtf is the BLP increase each ember? +.00000001%?

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fml

olive wraith
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I think s2 was also the least bursty season we had

clever path
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here is an example from the box

olive wraith
unreal cape
pliant lantern
ember apex
vagrant imp
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rhetorical

clever path
clever path
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for tw raid quest

ember apex
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thats fake

clever path
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iirc items themselves drop around 423 ilvl

ember apex
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thats a fake item

clever path
ember apex
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this is the real one on wowhead

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those are int bracers

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bro what

clever path
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that classic wrath

ember apex
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yeah

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its from ulduar u said

clever path
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yea

ember apex
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wait

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no urs are...

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what are urs

unreal onyx
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from the quest cache

ember apex
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is that edited

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wheres the socket or the other stuff on it

clever path
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i dunno

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i got the item from the bo

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box

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i show my boys

ember apex
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wtf

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im confused AF

quaint stag
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They updated the loot in raid timewalking to be current stat wise

clever path
ember apex
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but these are like completely diff, these were hPal bracers

fickle bluff
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stop looking at wotlk wowhead

clever path
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heres the right page btw

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for current

ember apex
quaint stag
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The stats of all items that drop in time walking raid will be different to the original release versions of the wotlk drop

ember apex
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ulduar

fickle bluff
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carlo moment

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holy

ember apex
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paldin

clever path
ember apex
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holy paladin bracers

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these are also differente

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look at the stats 2 haste 2 vers

unreal cape
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how long does ulduar tw take to complete? arent there like 12 bosses or so

clever path
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buying boost for 80k is like 10 minutes

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but making a group

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and pugging

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can take a while with first boss

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because its the siege thing

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and people WILL wipe

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you know with the cars and stuff

quaint stag
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Siege is easy though. How do you wipe on siege? Than again I’ve been playing wrath classic so I guess I know what to do still

ember apex
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ok guys wowhead has tabs at the top this shows wotlk items as they were in wotlk

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retail tab has retail items as they are now

fickle bluff
clever path
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and spread oil under other vehicles

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and then suprise pikachu all siege engines dead

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wipe

ember apex
trim cape
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is the ilvl for ulduar even good or is it more just the novelty of it

fickle bluff
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novelty

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its nm ilvl

clever path
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where do you see nmode

fickle bluff
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from the box or what the raid drops

ember apex
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if greg is wrong i need to know right now so i can start gloating

clever path
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the box from quest

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what raid drops is shit true

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its 420 something

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or whatever

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424?

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428 or 424

trim cape
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you mean the timewalking quest reward weekly is hero track?

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says it's normal

ember apex
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dungeon vs raid

clever path
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Raid is hero track

trim cape
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or does timewalking ulduar have it's own quest

ember apex
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raid is heroic

clever path
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Dungeon is normal

ember apex
clever path
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Yeah there are 2 quests

trim cape
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👀

chrome plover
clever path
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One you get from Dalaran (old dalaran , crystalsong forrest)

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or ask someone in pug "HEY SHARE Q SOME1 PLEX"

unreal cape
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so ppl offer to boost last boss for 80k ?

clever path
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yea lol

unreal cape
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doesnt seem worth lol

clever path
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AYO LEAF IS GONE

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and they do it in 10 min because timewalking gear that is OP and scales to 35 lvl

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you can one shot bosses with this setup and blast trough leveling dungeons too

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imagine this

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but scaled to current ilvl lol

fickle bluff
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i dont want to imagine that

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thats an incredibly rare boe

dense elbow
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Looks bad

clever path
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bad?

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imagine

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increases your haste by 2683

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or something

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bl basically

dense elbow
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It got 100% uptime?

clever path
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wafting devotion + this

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anni build

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huge

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i know what im saying probably doesnt make sense

dense elbow
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I think I prefer just the raw stats instead

clever path
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i wonder how would classic play like

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if it had m+

dense elbow
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Ask for m+ in classic+

ember apex
clever path
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because i was depressed and didnt want to buy df because of how SL was and had my doubts

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and caved in in mid of season 2 of df

ember apex
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how is fyralath not on this list for bis weps?

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haste proc weapons are just pog for TW?

cedar edge
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dont bother carlo

clever path
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dunno have to ask in tw disc server

ember apex
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ok nvm

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i have like none ofthese items

clever path
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anythign that has some gimmick like creating an add pet that fight for you

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or shitton of haste

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also azerite shit

flat river
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Hello fellow warriors

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I have created something

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Let me cook

ember apex
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👀

unreal onyx
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not again

clever path
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lol

ember apex
clever path
cedar edge
clever path
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show us some warrior science

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Gala the science guy

flat river
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So we don't take any of the BT talents except CBHS and the xtra dmg below 35% hp one right, and then we take ravager/am build

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And use BT only when we use odyns

unreal onyx
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cbhs?

flat river
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Hbcs

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Whatever

unreal onyx
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cshb

ember apex
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cold steel hot blood

flat river
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XD

ember apex
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u guys know what he meant

wild mural
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hcsb

flat river
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Anyways

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It will work

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Trust

sullen wagon
# clever path imagine this

As someone that bothered optimizing for Timewalking, you don't want that kind of power level for current game unless you want warrior nerfed into oblivion

wild mural
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ive got one better

ember apex
flat river
wild mural
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trust me I've been cooking

unreal onyx
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of the other stuff

clever path
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considering we never even got buffed

wild mural
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you know how daggers are in the game

sullen wagon
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Daggers need to have str too

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let them cook

unreal onyx
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have you ever heard of something called

wild mural
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we should equip them,

unreal onyx
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dagger

wild mural
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we should equip daggers

unreal onyx
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we need to convince every warrior to use daggers

dire badge
flat river
ember apex
unreal onyx
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and then we do bad dmg overall

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and then we get a aura buff

wild mural
unreal onyx
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and then we can re-equip good weapons

cedar edge
unreal onyx
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profit

wild mural
wild mural
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legendary is temporary

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daggers are forever

ember apex
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ion gonna go on some RWF podcast and call warriors idiots and scumbags

unreal onyx
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daggers can be mogged into fury artifacts

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so we can hide them even

hollow saffron
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did everyone vote for s1 set

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i did

cedar edge
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no

ember apex
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i ended up voting for s2, anything but S3

cosmic lance
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They missed the option wher they delete tier and bring back azerite

ember apex
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no one knows what that is b/c no one was playing the game then

dire badge
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👴

wild mural
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👵

ember apex
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i started in shadowlands so if it wasnt in there or dragonflight i dont know about it unless it was a youtube video i watched

unreal onyx
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I also started in SL

wild mural
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they should delete tier and replace it with nothing

ember apex
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pog

wild mural
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like in SL

cosmic lance
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They flip flop on tier set every few years

ember apex
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they should just 4x leggo BLP and then buff leggo 500% and have no tier

cosmic lance
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Sometimes it a "fun way to alter your class every patch"

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Other times it "it locks up too many slots and ruins gearing"

clever path
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what you are cooking

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or what

clever path
flat river
clever path
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very bad

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bro is bringing back ravager

flat river
clever path
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mad respect

flat river
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It will work trust

clever path
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no doubt

flat river
clever path
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id go into that room

olive wraith
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Isn’t that the 2p build

ember apex
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i think its the 2pT30/2pT31 build

clever path
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i think what he is cooking

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is to bring fire nation and water nation closer together

ember apex
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i just want to play AM again and never be forced to talent reckless abandon ever again

clever path
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S2 enjoyers and S3 appreciators

flat river
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No i hate season 3

clever path
ember apex
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i hate s3 too

clever path
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You guys dont understand

ember apex
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whys ur warrior not first

clever path
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if you dont like season 3

flat river
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If it was up to me I'd make the tier set based on onslaught

clever path
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you will be bullied

ember apex
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s3 is objectively worse

clever path
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because it has no self heal

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and is lame

flat river
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Slaughtering strikes stacks up to 50 times

ember apex
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even if u liked everything about it, the APM is **STILL ** worse in s3

flat river
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Onslaught give 40 stacks

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Ez

ember apex
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it should get binned for that reason alone

clever path
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I voted season 2

flat river
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Slaughtering strikes dmg increased by 50%

clever path
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but then people started bullying

flat river
clever path
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and saying i dont play season 3 right

ember apex
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s2 is a trade off for me

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s1 was def least offensive

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but also most boring and weak

clever path
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Season 2 isnt happening sadly tho

ember apex
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i didnt like s2 and i HATE s3

clever path
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USA players bought bots and voted for s3

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gg

ember apex
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100%

cosmic aurora
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Hey guys is there some guide for legendary weapon for when useing it ?

ember apex
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low apm andys

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yeah look at logs

flat river
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Season 3 winning by 1% sadge

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clever path
flat river
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How's NA

ember apex
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like this

cosmic aurora
clever path
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dunno but people in the morning said something 20 % dif

ember apex
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u can just filter for axe usage onl

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only for specific bosses

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u can setup a personal ERT note w/ timer to remind u if u need

sinful spoke
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this is way diff cause tindral

olive wraith
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Wdym less apm we still gcd locked

sinful spoke
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intral u only sue it here cause ur not using cds

clever path
ember apex
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apm is lower in t31 vs t30 is what i mean

sinful spoke
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and u use it after freeing urself with OF

ember apex
burnt stone
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hi brothers
If I use a legendary weapon while casting charge, will there be no damage?
The cooldown only goes on without casting the legendary weapon.

sinful spoke
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u just gotta click each boss

sinful spoke
brave cairn
# clever path

we all know you will just request to have the character restored

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this is fake news

ember apex
burnt stone
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So do I have to complete the charge and use the legendary weapon?

vague copper
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Leggo axe dont exist!

ember apex
vague copper
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Its a myth

clever path
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i dont backtrack on my decisions

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im built differently

ember apex
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just be in melee range and dont be in a charge animation

sinful spoke
brave cairn
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there is no opinion of you after this

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it's gone into the negative

clever path
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where is that from

ember apex
brave cairn
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you know where it's from...

clever path
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thats not me

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someone framed me

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thats an edit

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fr

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im not even in that discord

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i ve been framed

olive wraith
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brave cairn
ember apex
robust widget
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thank you kind sir

burnt stone
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Archi talked about when to use legendary weapons through a pin message, but when do you use legendary weapons?

As soon as the battle starts?
Or after OF+Avatar's buffs are all over?

clever path
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when you dont have anything you can use besides

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when all is down and bleak

ember apex
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t30

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t31

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6pm slower

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or ~10%

terse ether
olive wraith
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That’s like nothing lol

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Wasn’t s2 apm inflated with reck

ember apex
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it is if u play fury for apm

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i love high apm

olive wraith
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Fury is still upper apm

ember apex
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so a 10% drop in apm is noticeable

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yeah it is for sure

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its not like we're dev evokers or anything but like apm is def slower

olive wraith
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But again. Wasn’t rek inflating our apm

ember apex
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we're allowed to be inflated

olive wraith
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Don’t most macro it to ravager

clever path
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yea well

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what can you do huh

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it is what it is

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andd people liek this

ember apex
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4/9N

clever path
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and fingers hurting part

ember apex
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prob

dire badge
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sorry for that guys weak bloodline

clever path
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no

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5/9 lfr

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and that s it

dire badge
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he prob won’t make it through winter being so weak sadge

clever path
wild mural
ember apex
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how did u find his armory i got literally 0 results

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oh eu

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hes eu?

clever path
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yea

ember apex
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kk

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i legit had no idea they spoke* american on the forums in eu

clever path
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what baffles me is the thing about SMF

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like what

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is there literally anyone

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like crticake or someone

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who ftried SMF

cosmic lance
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I think you underestimate how many people play the game like that

ember apex
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do u remember shadowlands talent trees

cosmic lance
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Theres a huge section of the playerbase that have probably never read a guide, been to a discord or anything

dire badge
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american xeos

ember apex
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left side is all passive, dont need to put anything on bar

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performs slightly worse but way easier

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that's smf

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its meant like the intro to fury

cosmic lance
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I raided with a demo lock in my friend's guild that was pressing tyrant with no pets out and had no idea that was wrong, and he was raiding

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The bar is not high

ember apex
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was he doin mythic

cosmic lance
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They were about to start mythic yeah

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They were a heroic prog level guild

ember apex
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heroic guilds can do what they want imoo

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everyone could be left side passive

clever path
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but even if its not high, isnt it kind of nonsense to go for something that will give you less enjoyment and in turn will make you more stressed about your prefromacne or not being able to dish out what you COULD have been dishing out on meters????????????????????????

cosmic lance
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Yeah but thats like, a HUGE secion of the playerbase

ember apex
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and clear everything

cosmic lance
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A lot of people do not know and do not care

ember apex
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what % of playeerbase gets CE?

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i thought it was like 50%+

still swift
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someday ill make like a random unknown alt that plays absolute jacker and poop and i join some random heroic prog guild with it

dull sierra
still swift
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full afk passive gaming fun

cosmic lance
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CE? of overall players?

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God no, its single digits

ember apex
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so what are ppl doin

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just heroic?

cosmic lance
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LFR, pug normal, heroi

dull sierra
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just normal

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lfr

cosmic lance
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collecting pets

dull sierra
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old raids

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questing

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mount collecting

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achievements

clever path
dense elbow
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Enjoying life

dull sierra
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not really playing that game

clever path
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atleast you know how to make it poop and still dish out right

ember apex
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thats crazy my first raid was castle nathria and i did 8/10M and i was like i failed

dull sierra
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my first raid we didnt clear heroic

ember apex
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o

dull sierra
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i think we made it to cenarius heroic

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didnt get to xavius

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we killed gul'dan once

cosmic lance
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AotC is typically like 5%

ember apex
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aotc is 5%?!

cosmic lance
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of the player base

ember apex
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brooo what

past pivot
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Iirc something like 10-20% of the player base gets aotc. Like 1-2% gets CE

cosmic lance
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There's a LOT of people that do not give a shit about raids

ember apex
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mythic raiders need a community outreach program or sumthn

dull sierra
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why

ember apex
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thats cray

dense elbow
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What do you mean?

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we are the most listened to in WoW

ember apex
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ppl not clearing content

quiet geyser
ember apex
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no i mean we need to help those other ppl kill bosses or something

dull sierra
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so? they dont make the mythic raids for casual players

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casual players dont want to do it

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so they dont

cosmic lance
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I know a lot of very good players that just dont want to sweat in mythic prog

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They're over it

wanton mirage
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People can play whatever they want. I know it might be suprising for you.

cosmic lance
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And you can get gear from weekly cache now anyway, and tier set from catalust

ember apex
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alright

cosmic lance
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So there's almost no requirement to raid to get good gear

dull sierra
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the "hardcore" player/guild changes a lot depending on how "good" you are at the game.
e.g. if you're a just get aotc guild then anyone doing mythic is hardcore.

past pivot
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Most players don’t do keys over +10 iirc

dull sierra
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but anyone that gets ce knows theres insane levels between mythic raiders

ember apex
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yeah def

dull sierra
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like a world 2k guild vs a world 200 guild is a massive difference

cosmic lance
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The skill curve is very much exponential as you get higher up in raiding guilds

dull sierra
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but to a casual thats all the same

ember apex
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i see

dull sierra
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because they're killing mythic bosses

cosmic lance
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top 20 to top 5 is insane

ember apex
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yeah skill diff between famed/hof and like world 800 CE is huge

dull sierra
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exactly

ember apex
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im like world 800 i think lol

dull sierra
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but some people just dont want to put in the effort to play to that level

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they just want to enjoy the game

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doing what they want to do

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and thats amazing

ember apex
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yeah i wish my guild raided like more days the first few weeks of the tier

still swift
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i join like 300-500 but wish i could do more wicked

modest condor
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everybody knows a 2k guild could just be top 50 if they put in the same time copium

ember apex
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and made ppl minmax their stuff early

dull sierra
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that the game has that level of flexibility

dull sierra
ember apex
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not truuuue

dense elbow
ember apex
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w/ new roster maybe

modest condor
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there's a guild on my server that went full hardcore, required an alt, did 7 days on the first week, they're currently around world rank 700 keks

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i think they gave up very quickly

cosmic lance
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Haha

dull sierra
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yea because the player skill level just isnt there

cosmic lance
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There's quite a few top 50 or top 25 guilds or w/e that require alts for splits and shit nowadays

still swift
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where are the guilds that just spam heroic runs for alts

cosmic lance
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RAther than just the top few

dull sierra
clever path
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here are pretty decent folk

dull sierra
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like world 200+ does splits now

clever path
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dont really care about anything but having fun

cosmic lance
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That shit used to be reserved for like, top 5

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And its filterd down now

dull sierra
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its not much effort for a huge gain in gear

wanton mirage
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Wow is an old men game now

dense elbow
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True

molten night
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i feel old 😭

past pivot
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I know of a casual guild that barely gets aotc. And they’re fine with it. Real life takes over but they were in some of the top raiding guilds. There are like 3 scarab lords in it. They all got married, had kids, have jobs. Just play to have fun now.

clever path
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ew

still swift
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or is that like an acutal place

dull sierra
clever path
dull sierra
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or even not in a top raiding guild

clever path
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i got back into wow and was having trouble into getting into m+ keys

dull sierra
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they just play for the fun

cosmic lance
clever path
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these guys just spam keys, dont care about timing, but mostly time everything, lots of raiding and other events

dense elbow
#

I know normal guilds, that push HC for curve the final month.

Those guys have more fun than I had in WoW combined, in one WoW season. They are failing, but they are having so much fun conquering the raid.

clever path
#

just fun bunch

dense elbow
#

When curve pops, the nerdscreams and tears come

cosmic lance
#

I get why they do it anyway and if you've got time go for it

dull sierra
#

we did splits for 2 weeks total

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just 1 extra char

past pivot
#

And no drama. No rage quitting. Take time to help others out. Have a good time busting balls on discord. Lots of laughing. Efficient raids. Just a fun time. Envious of stress-free play like that tbh

wanton mirage
burnt stone
#

I would like to change the use of a legendary weapon in ST APL to when OF or Avatar is on reuse and the avatar's buff is over. Which part should I change?

clever path
dull sierra
#

its in the trinkets part i believe

#

actions.trinkets=use_item,name=fyralath_the_dreamrender,if=dot.mark_of_fyralath.ticking

wild mural
dense elbow
#

If only OF hit hard enough

#

dopamine would be released

wild mural
#

OF clearing the roots of depression

burnt stone
clever path
#

Does aotc even matters anymore

#

since everyone has it basically

past pivot
#

It does to many.

cosmic lance
#

We literally just discussed that

#

aotc is usually 5-10% of players

dull sierra
#

♻️

#

conversation go agane

cosmic lance
#

So no, not everyone does have it

dense elbow
#

Oh, shit, before we cycle

#

VOTE SEASON 1

#

ok, go

clever belfry
#

if u let ur vote be decided by anything but simply rolling 1-3

#

youre cringe L

clever path
#

you do know how many people buy heroic boosts

#

and get aotc

#

it cannot possibly be THAT low

still swift
#

you seem to underestimate how big wow is

clever path
#

perhaps

dire badge
#

I don’t have aotc

dense elbow
#

What if I told you, there are more players only doing LFR, that Normal to mythic and M+ combined?

topaz hinge
#

VOTE

#

SEASON

still swift
#

the majority of people doesnt do keys nor raids/happy with LFR, pet battles only etc

topaz hinge
#

1

#

!!!

clever path
dense elbow
#

LFR is huge

clever path
molten night
#

you guys need to /roll 1-3 in wow to decide what to vote......

cosmic lance
#

And i dont even know if those stats factor in that a lot of people that get aotc do it on multiple characters

clever path
#

okay guys

#

you must be trolling

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because i dont believe that such minial content can be IN ANY WAY compelling to play not to even attempt a higher difficulty

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like no shot

dense elbow
#

Sadly not, you will be suprised how many ppl interact with the raid, through LFR

#

Simply put - we getting old

wicked wadi
#

stats any good?

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still swift
cosmic lance
#

Most people are giga casual

dense elbow
#

Scary casual

past pivot
muted shore
#

Is it worth using 2 different weapon enchants or just both go into Wafting devotion?

wicked wadi
past pivot
dire badge
#

I really don’t have aotc tho sadge

past pivot
dense elbow
#

Well, Maid, I know you could get it if you wanted to

dull sierra
muted shore
dull sierra
#

74 dps is just sim variation

muted shore
#

aight, i just wanted to confirm about it

#

thank you!

wanton mirage
#

I can get everything. But there are subset of wow retail population who enjoys leveling. I dont get them

dull sierra
#

because they're having fun

#

just because you dont enjoy levelling doesnt mean they dont

past pivot
# clever path you must be trolling

Menial to you. But last time there were numbers out, the vast majority of players, like 90%, never did a key past +10 or stepped into a heroic raid.

still swift
wanton mirage
#

Yeah I can get leveling in classic being so much fun. But retail though

cosmic lance
#

The only actual data I can find nowadays is from SoO days when mmo champ ran an armoury scan to find that exact sort of info

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But the overall breakdown is unlikely to have shifted that much

still swift
#

i went and checked myself as well, wclogs has 719k players in logs for normal total, which includes many boosts since they dont tend to be private. with the possibility of there being alts in there, this is rly rly low wicked

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dense elbow
#

Problem with Fyrakk, is that I alone am like 11 of those HC kills

still swift
#

which is past 2 weeks tbf but

dense elbow
tepid isle
#

uhh,fury warr mage tower must be one of the easiest lol

clever path
#

I did a key yesterday with another fury warrior. I had slightly better gear than him, but I noticed his AutoAttack damage was 40-50% higher than mine on almost every pull, and he ended up doing 15% more damage overall than me. How can I maximize my aa damage? what does my low aa damage indicate? poor positioning?

dense elbow
#

Fyrakk kills divide it by 10

oblique trail
dense elbow
#

Haste diff, DB diff or perhaps, better uptime

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How maxmise - stand inside the mobs

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cause we got very short arms

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Trex spec

wanton mirage
#

Ironically

clever path
#

blood dk is easier tho

tepid isle
#

i did in 4, but have done the encounter before 😄

clever path
molten night
oblique trail
wanton mirage
#

This patch is very good to do Mage tower. We got infinte sustains

clever path
oblique trail
#

No

covert coyote
#

Dancing Blades is the way always

clever path
#

ah ok, ty

still swift
#

wtf its the prophet bamzi

oblique trail
#

Wtf it's the trinket getter nani

still swift
#

yea well getting the trinket fried my net so

oblique trail
#

200k to fry your net

wild mica
oblique trail
#

It is, but its worse

wild mica
#

yeah i know, i always run dancing blades thinking about how i wish i wasnt

still swift
#

i didnt even know these talents existed

#

never read it

oblique trail
#

Not like it'll actually matter though unless you're pushing keys

wild mica
#

im an evoker in keys now 😦

ember apex
#

yo glasse!

covert coyote
#

It’s nice for the enrage / WW but I never think about it, always WWing on cd in M+ usually

oblique trail
#

I think you deserve no comfort in keys

still swift
#

bamzi

clever path
#

So guys like you said', a big chunk of playerbase hasnt puhed higher than 10?\

oblique trail
#

Nani

still swift
#

why wowhead m+ guide say to play t itanic?

#

if worse

#

!!

covert coyote
#

Plus DB always puts me at top dps on bosses

oblique trail
#

Because it silly Billy!

#

Its better in low keys in theory

wild mica
oblique trail
#

Since its better burst

still swift
#

and iv also says to do it

oblique trail
#

But in keys where mobs live for longer than your cds then dancing is better

oblique trail
covert coyote
#

Just to maximize the cleave. But the ST dam is worth more as soon as mobs survive >5 secs

still swift
#

i call your info UNRELIABLE

#

😤

oblique trail
#

Yeah well ignore my info then!

covert coyote
#

And more rage

burnt stone
#

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o3T9RD8r6S1UDKEsUxttfS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b2whqyTRZAiTAsGNe5j66E

Link 1. Basic ST APL
Link 2. APL changed to use legendary weapons when there is no avatar buff and Odin and the avatar are on cooldown.

Archi has sorted it out for me, but when I simulated it, the difference is even bigger.
If the difference is this much, would it be better to use the legendary weapon later rather than in the opening?

Raidbots
Quick Sim - 소농민 - 242,531 DPS - Raidbots
Raidbots
Quick Sim - 소농민 - 243,268 DPS - Raidbots
oblique trail
#

Cowfarmer there is already a pin with this info

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And you can see yourself, it doesn't matter if you use it before or after really

ember apex
#

unless its a situation where u need to hold CDs on pull i dont think u press leggo on pull

oblique trail
#

Its the same dps

#

(Realistically)

unreal onyx
#

on-use is mostly used when you do not have CDs

#

afaik

ember apex
#

yeah thats how i use it as well

#

and if u look at top logs

still swift
#

yea same (i totally have it)

ember apex
#

this is exactly how other warriors use it in the top percentile

burnt stone
wild mica
#

does avatar buff it or nah

ember apex
#

no

wild mica
#

i got it last night i still need to make it i guess i need to do a bit of reading

oblique trail
#

If he has said this, surely he'd have fixed the pin by now?

cosmic lance
#

Avatar/enrage only buff warrior things

ember apex
#

its not affecting by anything like avatar reck

wild mica
#

shame

ember apex
burnt stone
#

The difference is bigger than what he simulated.

fallen quest
#

The difference you posted is 0.3%…

robust shore
#

Hey just wanted to confirm, we pop Lego axe after avatar falls off on our opener? Does the dam from it not benefit from our CDs? I remember evoker staff worked like that so just assuming all weapons

still swift
oblique trail
wild mica
ember apex
#

i had the opposite take i thought it was worse

still swift
#

ur sims are 700 dps difference, but most fights do not last exactly 4:30 or longer
what if ur fight lasts 4:10 only and you lose a use of the legendary by holding it til 30s which the sim does

ember apex
#

what sucks is i had already spammed superblooms when they came out

wild mica
#

i got 100% buff on my first superbloom so it helped a lot

ember apex
#

to minmax all the collectibles

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oh thats nice yeha

#

and i ended up having to do like 20 or something

oblique trail
ember apex
#

and i got nothing but leaves

robust shore
past pivot
wild mural
#

Im deranged

modest condor
oblique trail
#

Oh that's there still

modest condor
#

yep

still swift
#

what doth this mean

oblique trail
#

I'm on phone so wasn't going to check

oblique trail
modest condor
#

the reason it's simming higher is because that line has a use off gcd condition in it, but fyralath is on the gcd so it's oversimming

still swift
#

🍮

sinful spoke
#

am i simming wrong? how tf r yall simming almost 10k higher than me and i got leggo

oblique trail
#

Trinkets and consumes

ember apex
#

they're using custom APL

oblique trail
#

Or just you have dookie gear

sinful spoke
modest condor
#

simming 243k has nothing to do with custom apl

ember apex
#

like i said simming 243k is completely normal and expected

still swift
#

and a 483 instead of 476 signet brand

sinful spoke
#

damn its that much of a difference hmm

cosmic lance
#

vers wrists over shadowflame in ST probably a small diff

ember apex
cosmic lance
#

And a couple of sockets

sinful spoke
#

i mean

proud crown
#

vers mastery food helps me

burnt stone
still swift
proud crown
sinful spoke
#

im only missing helm socket

still swift
oblique trail
#

Small things add up

cosmic lance
#

its 8k out of 240

#

its small cumulative things

still swift
#

yep

proud crown
still swift
#

true belt also doesnt have one

modest condor
#

every socket is 1k dps

sinful spoke
#

oh wait thats before i got the belt socket hold on

wild mural
sinful spoke
oblique trail
proud crown
#

more real than the lego

oblique trail
#

I could probably hyper min/max my character to squeeze a bit more

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(Or just sim with crit flask lol)

burnt stone
#

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sA6SPEWyPNMXCDLCK9e2Dq
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vXkq8GV4JDG1K6UCZcNJAT

For objective simulation, we simulated it with the Fury profile in SimulationCraft.
As silmarilen said earlier "actions.trinkets+=/use_item,use_off_gcd=1,slot=main_hand,if=(!variable.trinket_1_buffs|trinket.1.cooldown.remains)&(!variable.trinket_2_buffs|trinket.2.cooldown.remains)"
I removed this condition and simulated it.

Raidbots
Advanced Sim - T 31 Fury Warrior - 247,646 DPS - Raidbots
Raidbots
Advanced Sim - T 31 Fury Warrior - 247,247 DPS - Raidbots
quiet geyser
#

Think im 233k without lego

wild mural
quiet geyser
#

Need bad 😦

wild mural
#

warrior is dead to me

#

it's time

#

syi redemption arc

gleaming kestrel
vague copper
#

Seen a lot more WW's in the last week.. Allso had some in the group and they kinda pump now right?

#

M+ that is

tepid isle
#

What embelishes do we use for raid and for m+?

sinful spoke
#

YES

#

yes theyre good

#

for M+

ember apex
burnt stone
#

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifvyEhKhQBNRUytWrTXfsz

The simulation has removed the condition that silmarilen pointed out that would require legendary weapons to be used during gcd.

"actions.trinkets+=/use_item,use_off_gcd=1,slot=main_hand,if=(!variable.trinket_1_buffs|trinket.1.cooldown.remains)&(!variable.trinket_2_buffs|trinket.2.cooldown.remains)"

Also, instead of using the legendary weapon right away, there is no avatar buff, and it has been changed to use it when Odin and the avatar are on cooldown.
When only the conditions mentioned by silmarilen were removed, the dps was 247,247.

Raidbots
Advanced Sim - T 31 Fury Warrior - 247,979 DPS - Raidbots
clever path
#

why do you guys play warrior

wild mica
#

i like to press a lot of buttons fast

tepid isle
#

I dont m raid, but now there are enough sparks to blast hc witht he right emb

#

And what for m+?

wild mural
#

rip warrior

clever path
#

wtf

#

what you play then

ember apex
#

same. high APM

wild mica
#

im slowly becoming a spreadsheet gamer though

#

aug is so weird

wild mural
clever path
#

NOT pldin

#

thts good

wild mural
still swift
#

you already saw my chars so

clever path
#

rip

wild mural
#

I played more paladin than warrior

#

I played more druid than anything

clever path
#

pls stop with blasphemy

still swift
#

spreading time somewhat evenly between all of those through a week (outside of dh fuck dh)

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oblique trail
#

whats wrong with dh

still swift
#

it plays awful

oblique trail
#

press some buttosn then do 50000503924 damage through a dungeon in the span of 20+ minutes

burnt stone
#

To summarize, in the existing APL, there was a condition that allowed legendary weapons to be used when GCD was in progress, like accessories.
However, in reality, legendary weapons cannot be used while GCD is in progress.

When this condition was removed, DPS dropped by about 400.

still swift
#

whenever i play it in dungeons ij ust instantly stop wanting to play it

wild mural
#

I committing to my redemption arc

oblique trail
#

understandable

wild mural
still swift
#

having to immo-rush before anything u do thats meaningful sucks

oblique trail
#

That's what Momentum should have been

wild mural
#

real

still swift
#

the next time i play dh im going no momentum no inertia

#

and just take dps hit

oblique trail
#

do it

wild mural
#

yeah it works

still swift
#

dh discord said its fine for 20s so ill simply do it

clever path
#

I dunno

wild mural
#

theres are no mover builds

clever path
#

Everything besides DK and Warrior feels super giga stupid

wild mural
#

its fun having adhd imo

#

im trying to get 2500 on every class

still swift
#

dashing around the place and having to stop your rotation for some poopy buff sucks

wild mural
#

but I lose motivation for keys giga easy

#

so it's not going well

clever path
still swift
#

i peak 20s for weeklies and thats it

wild mural
#

no

clever path
wild mica
#

boosts are too cheap this season

still swift
#

same i did a singular 23 fall

wild mica
#

waste of time

oblique trail
#

Was a very fun singular 23 fall

wild mural
#

I've done a few 23s

oblique trail
#

lets not go back

clever path
wild mural
#

I tried a 25

#

it didn't go well

still swift
#

= )

oblique trail
#

Spiteful is no issue

#

I tank it

gusty compass
#

If i kill Fyrakk on HC for the legendary it wont drop if i go Normal and LFR after?

oblique trail
#

But afflicted

wild mural
#

oh I have an 18 rise on DH

oblique trail
#

Is not it

still swift
#

sry afflicted t hing i mean

#

not spite

#

oopsie on names

oblique trail
still swift
#

for each difficulty below u didnt kill it on

gusty compass
#

alright thank u for clarity ❤️

wild mural
#

I got this, Im annoyed

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clever path
wild mural
#

why

clever path
#

im not even trying to go higher

wild mural
#

and you're still lower score than me

clever path
#

true cause no push

wild mural
#

I hate keys

still swift
wild mural
#

WHY

still swift
clever path
still swift
#

i force him to tank all my weeklies

oblique trail
#

Only 104 +20s

clever path
#

./bow

wild mural
#

who hurt them

still swift
#

so its me

#

who hurts em

oblique trail
#

They need to step it up

still swift
#

(he says he enjoys it)

unreal onyx
still swift
#

anyway

image.png
oblique trail
#

Was the Augury worth it

wild mural
#

this is the most I did

image.png
#

in a single season

proud crown
still swift
#

yea just to see ur reaction

#

tbh

oblique trail
#

Yeah well

#

I'm still going to be happy for you

still swift
#

and my guilds

oblique trail
#

there's my reaction

still swift
#

they were also funny about it

#

as they spent the entire night doing a sim battle against eachother to decide who gets the 1 hc aug that dropped during raid

wild mural
#

why even do keys

image.png
wild mica
#

because its more fun and harder than raiding

wild mural
#

wrong

#

its not fun

unreal onyx
#

did you kill tindral yet

wild mural
#

yes

unreal onyx
#

I would agree if tindral wasn't a thing

wild mural
#

dead on my screen

proud crown
clever path
#

because not everyone is blessed with patience

#

i dont have that

proud crown
#

tindral

clever path
#

so fuck raiding

wild mica
#

i havent raided for a few tiers since its so zzz

clever path
#

its boring

wild mural
#

raiding is the only thing that matters in this game

oblique trail
wild mural
#

m+ is just a minigame

clever path
#

lol

#

again

#

good 4 u

#

for having patience

#

i dont have that

wild mural
#

I dont have patience

#

at all

clever path
#

30 people in comms

wild mica
wild mural
#

so I dont do keys

clever path
#

screaming

#

with ww1 mics

#

or speaking indiana jone

wild mural
#

the fuck sorta raids you joining

unreal onyx
#

then you've been in the wrong raid

#

also myth raid is 20-man

wild mural
#

we gaming in here

image.png
oblique trail
#

And if you look at Tindral it's probably equivalent to +30s in terms of execution

wild mural
#

real

still swift
oblique trail
#

If not just way worse

still swift
#

until we killed adds

wild mural
nova garnet
#

@still swift @wild mural morning ladies

oblique trail
#

Tindral needs a lot of repeated, and pretty tight, execution to kill

wild mural
#

ma'am 🫡

still swift
wild mica
#

You just need 20 people who don't wear their pants on their heads, that's the hardest part. We had absolute bots in a top 10 guild and we still got it done.

#

(not tindral but in general)

unreal onyx
#

I don't believe that

nova garnet
restive peak
#

You are not killing tindral or fyrakk without 20 good players

wild mural
#

real!!!

wild mica
#

we found out a dk used a bot to dps, so yes literal bot

unreal onyx
#

you mean optimal playstyle then

wild mica
#

he was trash

unreal onyx
#

bc you ain't better than a literal robot

wild mica
#

rotation bots are not good

restive peak
#

When was this? Cata? When bosses had 1 mechanic and noone was racing for world 1st? Lewl

wild mica
#

imagine thinking no one was racing for world first before twitch existed

restive peak
#

There are like 900 guilds stuck on tindral, surely it's because all their players wear...pants on their head, as you said

wild mica
#

warriorbrain take

wild mural
restive peak
#

Imagine thinking you could kill tindral/fyrakk with 20 mediocre players

#

LEWL

unreal onyx
#

(I am also stuck on tindal)

sturdy violet
#

how the fuck are you supposed to do opener on M Tindral? Are our tanks pulling the boss too far or is the start supposed to be this degen dance where you desperately try to get enraged for OF and somehow get it back for the first roots?

restive peak
#

"I ONLY RAID HEROIC CUZ MYTHIC IS TOO EZ BRO THATS THE REASON I COULD DO IT IF I WANTED"

wild mica
#

20 mediocre no, but you can easily carry 5

restive peak
#

Yes

wild mural
dull sierra
#

ez

restive peak
#

That's why Echo/Liquid and them are still wiping on reclears

#

With their main 20

#

Cuz you can carry 5

#

Absolute L take from a 2k IO/heroic player, guaranteed

dull sierra
#

or just charge of

#

and accept the fact ur not enraged

oblique trail
#

Ngl I just send charge OF

#

Tried my best to figure out a way to enrage