fury

[zealous condor]

Main complaint for current tierset is that it feels bad

[clever belfry]

tbh all wow players require aid

[young swan]

u can also just... play am/rav with the current set

[zealous condor]

In comparison to what we had prior

[young swan]

ur just not gonna do boss damage, just like in s2

[clever belfry]

oh thats another thing i tell people in game
"acquire god"

[oak peak]

Essentially. AM/rav playstyle was arguably better for m+, so those people are going to prefer s2 for that generally

[dapper goblet]

if you have a m+ score above 2k you are a freak

[oak peak]

Although, really depends on key level

[clever belfry]

hi im freak

[clever path]

[hardy fog]

I mean yeah, its weaker than dropping ravager, but we cant be great at everything. and atleast with 5t it feels pretty good to me. it tapers off and then it jumps, but I play around it and I find it fun and competitive.

[sullen dove]

[dapper goblet]

[clever path]

[clever belfry]

[waxen wave]

If they made it like talents where you could swap the tier set

[past pivot]

How can you not have a score above 2k? I have 3 alts with scores above that.

[waxen wave]

It would be much better for us

[olive wraith]

No I’m with you. I don’t feel like I do bad in keys. And I pump on bosses

[zealous condor]

I agree

[clever path]

Raid logging

[waxen wave]

Like I’d love to have S3 for raid and S2 for keys

[dapper goblet]

that would be the joke sir

[hardy fog]

💪

[zealous condor]

There’s very little reason for them to not allow everyone to pick whatever tierset they want

[clever belfry]

hate jokes

[clever path]

BeCAuSe 80% oF pLaYerS herE rAiD

[oak peak]

I just feel pretty meh in current keys. 500-800k every 2-3 pulls only, and ~200k for most is meh

[zealous condor]

Instead of causing all these arguments

[waxen wave]

Yeah but the ST is pretty solid

[olive wraith]

Coding

[zealous condor]

That’s cus are very meh in keys

Coding

[waxen wave]

I guess if we get Lego for S2 our ST would be better

[hardy fog]

It aint called "World of Friendcraft"

[clever belfry]

let them code

[zealous condor]

Truuu

[oak peak]

I just felt stronger in keys last tier 🤷‍♂️

[clever path]

They are too busy coding in in game store stuff

[zealous condor]

Cus you were

The dungeons this time around are pretty good for fury tho

A lot of spell reflect damage to be had

[runic pine]

superbloom jail sucks

[past pivot]

New idea: just as raids will be fated. Our tier sets and transmogs should be fated. We get a new tier set and mog each week. Maybe. Even a mixed set. Like 2p from S1 and 4p from s3. Let’s really mindfcuk people

[runic pine]

so does this shit stack?

[clever belfry]

the dungeons this time around just suck

[tardy lark]

Fucking hate getting legendary

[young swan]

yeah

[olive wraith]

S2 is only slightly better for keys. And s3 is way better in raid. Seems like an obvious choice to me

[clever belfry]

like in general

[zealous condor]

I like em all beside rise

Rise is an awful M+ dungeon

[young swan]

if u can convince people to give u their leaf u can speedrun superblooms

[static nest]

s2 could be better in raid

[unreal onyx]

druid

[static nest]

if they tune the numbers´´

[clever belfry]

@ everyone
make sure u vote for the worst possible mage, warlock, hunter and rogue sets

thanks

[oak peak]

Yeah that’s why i prefer s2 tier, well more like i dont like being forced into annihilator in s3. Its just the other two are also pretty lame tier sets. We just dont have a better option while using AM/Rav

[static nest]

and you have an actual fun playstyle

[young swan]

but they have to be in the group for u to benefit

[static nest]

how are you this obtuse

[coarse nest]

was a 20brh
bloodbath damage is looking better now

[olive wraith]

S3 could be better in m+* if they tuned

[young swan]

ah yes having faith in blizzard tuning thigns has never backfired

must be new

[north edge]

any suggestions for what I should make with Spark 486?

[clever belfry]

even new players should know after this tier

[clever belfry]

⬜

[sullen dove]

tru im doing it rn

[clever belfry]

bro is playing on gamma 1.00

[static nest]

idc about it being better

i care about it being fun

and s3 is ds to play

simple as

[zealous condor]

Based

[static nest]

we suck more now and we have leggo lmfao

[clever path]

[young swan]

53% of warriors disagree

[static nest]

we didnt have leggo s2 and we were top 3 melee

[runic pine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[static nest]

idc about them

[clever belfry]

90% of dentists agree

[tardy lark]

I hate warriors

[runic pine]

I love S3 playstyle for fury

sorry

get bent

[clever belfry]

acquire god

[static nest]

idk go play fmage

[zealous condor]

Do we know what’s winning on the Eu vote

[static nest]

if you like waiting for cooldowns

[young swan]

dentists arent real people

[coarse nest]

s2 is i think

[robust shore]

Wait you guys have fun playing this game?

[clever belfry]

why do all americans hate dentists

they just vibe here

[zealous condor]

Yeah ig it’s just NA are

[clever path]

S2 didn’t have cooldowns lol

[runic pine]

I think you should go play Outlaw if you don't like waiting for CD's

oh cool

that logic applies both ways

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[clever belfry]

bri ish??

[static nest]

and

[sullen dove]

top three melee in a season where the top 5 classes in m+ were all casters

[static nest]

i prob will

[dire badge]

they want all our money like doctors

[sullen dove]

big competition

[dire badge]

[clever belfry]

skill issue

[static nest]

no fucking way i'm playing another 6 months of anni

[past pivot]

Why y’all talking raid next season? Not like anyone will be parsing or caring about it.

[sullen dove]

wym

my rank 1 fated guardian of the first ones mythic will NEVER leave my head

[hardy fog]

S2 enjoyers gonna spend the next 6 days complaining about a slight DPS increase in m+ just to re-roll in season 4 anyways.

[unreal onyx]

idk why people have such a hatred towards anni personally

[sullen dove]

fuck you

[young swan]

u know u can just play am/rav now and do similar st to s2 (none) while still juicing aoe

[zealous condor]

It’s an arms season

[static nest]

define juicing

[clever belfry]

in s2 we did like the highest boss damage of the semi relevant M+ specs tho lol

[clever path]

lol it’s anything but arms season

[oak peak]

S3 better in raid, AM/Rav better in keys (aka s2 by default) imo. So depends what you play more. Our guild doesnt have enough for mythic, so m+ wins out

[atomic nymph]

What are these meta specs (25 AD)

[clever belfry]

now we just fucking DONT

[runic pine]

don't tell them that just let them doom over nothing

[young swan]

like u literally do not have to play anni

[static nest]

bc idk what you could let go of without bricking yourself

[clever belfry]

dogshit fotm rerollers being dogshit gg

[zealous condor]

Xan is coping

[north edge]

reflect luck?

[unreal onyx]

aintnoway 182k in a 25

[atomic nymph]

Only 1 reflect

[coarse nest]

ehh dh and pala haha

was a 20brh

[dire badge]

Xan cope? Really? You think Xan would cope?

[young swan]

thats not really a fury issue tho, thats just rogue and dh being insane (boomkins arent real people)

[clever belfry]

and mage
and warlock

[north edge]

I had a BM hunter take a chance on me last night for WM25

[clever belfry]

theyre all just better in EVERY scenario than us

its kinda fucking boring

[north edge]

he said he wanted to see the leggo in action

[olive wraith]

It’s like reworks make classes good or something.

[north edge]

and after the run

[young swan]

what else is new, main character classes are main characters

[north edge]

he said he was dissaponinted and never taking a warrior again

[clever belfry]

warrior used to be the main character of this game

[static nest]

arms got reworked in df yeah?

[clever belfry]

what happened man

[static nest]

is it good? kek

[sullen dove]

yea that was like

[clever path]

But remember warrior got rework too remember

[sullen dove]

in classic/wrath of the lich king

[clever path]

I remember

[sullen dove]

and a brief point in legion i think

[nova garnet]

Warrior is weeb dream class

[frank dawn]

Xan is just speaking the truth, the season 2 set and playing AM/Rav isn't going to make the spec any better than it is now. You'll gain aoe damage and lose boss damage

[clever belfry]

weeb dream class ??

[oak peak]

Wasnt really a “rework” in the same way. Just moved a couple talents

[olive wraith]

Did arms get reworked?

[young swan]

yeah unfortunately we're being punished for our transgressions in tomb and nya

[clever belfry]

acquire god

[nova garnet]

Why you think smf exists

[clever belfry]

Nya ~~

WE WERENT EVE NTHAT GOOD IN NYA???

[static nest]

it's almost like the whole point of the discussion isnt just raw power

its fun

[young swan]

ARMS ABSOLUTELY WAS

[olive wraith]

S3 is fun imo

[static nest]

you could just tune the set to make it better btw

[clever belfry]

like we got GOOD >>IN RAID< after corr vendor???

[nova garnet]

Appease sao fans kiritoxx

[oblique trail]

Hate skyhold and warriors

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/finish-marlon-williams-ex-on-the-beach-eating-im-done-gif-16130995

[clever belfry]

during prog arms was rats ass compared to fire mage

and bm

and destro lock

and dh

and rogue

[static nest]

i highly doubt you actually prefer 90s cds over s2

and i think you're just coping hard

[young swan]

rogue???

[static nest]

but we fits your bill

[clever belfry]

assa rogue

was king

[young swan]

i dont remember rogue being good

at all

[molten relic]

Yeah but this is all bats and spiders and the hallway with the spinners

[clever belfry]

assa was really good before all the corr shenans

[sullen dove]

dh's and their slappers

[young swan]

maybe its because our rogue was an outlaw otp

[molten relic]

U prob have same boss damage if not more

[olive wraith]

I like the consistent damage

[clever belfry]

ok yeah

outlaw was mega garbo in nya

[olive wraith]

With big 1.5min burst

[coarse nest]

true, they killed it before i even was there

[zealous condor]

It’s by far less consistent damage

Like what

[oak peak]

Being punished for wotlk classic icc fury 😏

[molten relic]

That’s bc the season before was triple outlaw innit

[clever belfry]

s2 was triple outlaw

[clever path]

What

[static nest]

consistent???????????????????? LMAO

[clever belfry]

and in bfa they did not balance around m+ at all

they did not give a fuck

[static nest]

you deal literal tank damage outside of the 3s of window

[clever belfry]

and outlaw was always dog in raid in bfa

[static nest]

wtf do you mean consistent

[unreal onyx]

wasn't rogue consistently one of the top DPS in every tier this xpac?

[clever path]

Because arms ripped in m+

[young swan]

3 second..?

[olive wraith]

You don’t like of every 20d?

[static nest]

4 sry misclick

[tardy lark]

One and the same. Good I’m a rogue player

[young swan]

4?

?

[static nest]

no i dont because of still feels like absolute shit to use

[clever belfry]

if "ripped" means 40% of the dmg a fire mage did in bfa s4

sure

[static nest]

i would much rather have 40s reck than 20s of

it feels inf better

[young swan]

man what cooldown are u even talking about

[static nest]

but you do you its all subjective

of?

[molten relic]

Bruh cancelling avatar after 4 seconds

[young swan]

4s burst

btw

[clever path]

Do you also remember that holy paladin was a dps spec V

[static nest]

4s ava?

[clever belfry]

that was in shadowlands

and early s3 bfa

in s4 their dps wasnt THAT crazy anymore

[clever path]

This

[zealous condor]

One odyns fury for a large pull is incredibly depressing

[static nest]

yes it is

[clever belfry]

s3 bfa fury was actually good btw.

[young swan]

organize ur cd's better then

[static nest]

what

[young swan]

on GOD

[coarse nest]

Uhh stand in spear for 6 seconds of burst

[zealous condor]

That’s just not how high M+ works brother

[static nest]

just organize reck so you have it every pack like you did before bro sorry xd

[young swan]

dont use cd's before a big pack

[static nest]

dear lord

[zealous condor]

The best warriors are struggling to keep up with their tanks

[clever belfry]

brb linking me rolling my teammembers by 40% in a 25 in s3

[frank dawn]

if you are constantly pulling large without your big cooldowns then you're playing poorly

[frozen field]

In what universe

[zealous condor]

In keys like everbloom where it’s big pull after big pull

[dapper goblet]

auto attacker, pressing slam as fury, no wft -10k dps, hardstuck 1min 30 cds and only saving grace of it is OF on a short cd (season 2 had 2 cds on short cd)

[coarse nest]

just never do everbloom

[ashen socket]

You're on crack

[clever path]

True I was running dungeon with prot warrior offensive build with signet trinket and he was shredding

[zealous condor]

Please go watch some of their gameplay

Critcake Noxiv Biz

[coarse nest]

nobody needs everbloom

[clever belfry]

i have peaked higher on details on prot than fury this season 😊

[coarse nest]

Anni build is so easy though

[clever belfry]

useful info 😊

[young swan]

fervid bite

[clever belfry]

nah its just

[sullen dove]

play with a better tank wtf 💀

[zealous condor]

Pulls were they only have OF on large packs they are barely competing with their tanks

[young swan]

fervid bite

[dapper goblet]

same people saying season 3 is good are the same people flaming the tier set on ptr

quirky

[clever belfry]

roar for prot does more dmg than fury

[unreal onyx]

maybe bc I am no rwf raider or high end m+ player, but I find the current tier to be a nice "fresh" way of playing

[dapper goblet]

sure its fresh

[clever path]

Because of that bleed talent

[dapper goblet]

doesnt mean its good

[clever path]

Right ?

[static nest]

its fresh like shit is fresh when it leaves you

but its still shit

[clever belfry]

bro idfk i just know prot bl@sts with cds on ao

e

[coarse nest]

Same here

[clever belfry]

then u dont have cds next pull and u wanna go fucking afk

[zealous condor]

LOLOL

What a great way to put the current tier set

[coarse nest]

As a usual arms main I enjoy this version of fury

[zealous condor]

I love it

[molten relic]

ez fix

[sullen dove]

youre not neutered if you get targeted with a mechanic and have to get off a boss for any reason unlike am, you drop reck and get unlucky unbridled procs gg go next

[compact knot]

the current tier set is literally just what it was before xd

[molten relic]

make our tier set cleave

[static nest]

c:

[olive wraith]

It’s almost like people like different playstyle

Imagine

[clever belfry]

????

[dapper goblet]

OF has cdr

[clever belfry]

that has to be the worst take in here today

[static nest]

find me one person who can legit say

[sullen dove]

it does but its not youre ENTIRE kit

[static nest]

"i prefer 90s cds"

[compact knot]

yeah im trolling on purpose

[clever belfry]

and we've a fuckign lot of those

[frozen field]

Actual cooked take

[static nest]

it's like

[sullen dove]

losing 1 odyns a fight isnt worse than losing an am/ravager for the fight

probably..

[robust widget]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-mind-blown-mind-blowing-eyeglasses-gif-15569009

[clever belfry]

on ST probably is

[dapper goblet]

cant think of a fight where i lost a whole use

[static nest]

imagine if fmage didnt have kindling

[dapper goblet]

getting 1 mechanic

[frozen field]

"Merely pretending"

[static nest]

do you think anyone would play it

[oblique trail]

You don't deserve Might

[odd star]

yes they would

[zealous condor]

I mean realistically the left side of the fury skill tree is so dogshit

[static nest]

doubt it

[zealous condor]

That we need a wild tierset to be forced into playing it

[odd star]

at least 1 person would play it

[static nest]

waiting for cds your class deals <50% damage without just doesnt feel good

esp not a spec as chaotic and as intense as fury

[olive wraith]

Breaking news. Avatar increases damage by 50%

[static nest]

not to me at least but w/e

[clever belfry]

btw
having a flat dmg profile is dogshit if u like being good on prog / keys

[frank dawn]

I mean what specs are you playing that don't deal significantly more damage during their cooldowns than without

[clever belfry]

burst > consistent dmg any time if it ends up doing same "overall"

[frozen field]

Classes do more damage during cds and less when not in their cds? What a revelation.

[static nest]

outlaw is p flat and it's good

[young swan]

no its not

[clever belfry]

outlaw in raid is fucking dogwater

[young swan]

its gapped by sub and sin

just way worse

[zealous condor]

Assass*

Say it like a man Xan

[left perch]

no one says that

[static nest]

im talking about m+ though

[sullen dove]

ass^2

[left perch]

excep 13 yo

[zealous condor]

Cus they’re cowards

[clever path]

Sasa ***

[static nest]

right i forgot m+ is like the alt game mode blizz doesnt give a fuck about

[zealous condor]

Like you

[static nest]

its like cod ctf

[molten relic]

outlaw has blade flurry and adrenaline rush for like 4minutes at a time

im sure youd be happy if reck was 4minutes long

[sullen dove]

thats the funny thing, s2, it was

and it was cringe keeping it up

[clever belfry]

but i mean yes if u have a flatline u can be okay if u just do inf damage

[sullen dove]

if you have cooldowns all the time, they arent your cooldowns

[clever belfry]

but outlaw just aint that hot anymore

[clever belfry]

your cooldown in s2 in keys was roar

[zealous condor]

What’s best rogue spec in keys

[clever belfry]

dont @ me

[zealous condor]

Or are they all the same

[clever belfry]

sub

sub

sub

sub

[sullen dove]

i think its sub

[clever path]

No

[static nest]

also a build where your builder deals on avg twice as much damage as your spender per run

[clever belfry]

if u see anyone telling u anything else theyre wrong 👍

[static nest]

is insane to me

[young swan]

definitely sub

[static nest]

but yeah

[frank dawn]

sub blasts pretty hard

[clever path]

Yes

Sub

For sure

[sullen dove]

ok first 6 pugged DOWN, may finally rest

[zealous condor]

And that was a big part of the fun for S2 fury in keys, trying to line up reck rav with 1 min roar effectively

[clever belfry]

ah yes fun

[dapper goblet]

sub is cdr spec and blasts m+...fury used to be cdr spec and now it isnt and blows...coincidence?

[young swan]

"fun"

[clever path]

Too bad rogues always need to restealth so bye bye chain pulling

[zealous condor]

That’s a lot more fun than

[clever belfry]

u know it was optimal

[clever path]

Bye bye go fast

[sullen dove]

the funny thing there is you just dont run 1 min roar cuz you used vial

[static nest]

infinitely more fun than waiting 90s to deal damage

[zealous condor]

Slam 90s

[clever belfry]

to send roar when u were enraged and not to hold it

[zealous condor]

Then be useless for that entire time

[clever belfry]

unless mobs weere dying before the dot ticked

[zealous condor]

Until their up again

[zealous condor]

You def ran 1 min roar still

[young swan]

i promise if u ported s2 fury into current season we would still be dogshit

[zealous condor]

Ok who cares

[sullen dove]

idk towards the end of the season there was countless yapping about "shockwave better fuck 1min roar, you use vial anyway"

[zealous condor]

It’s not mindless

[static nest]

at least we'd be fun dogshit

[sullen dove]

atp whatever they're the exact same

[static nest]

but that's not something you can understand it seems

[molten relic]

Tank sends cds and you dont so they do your damage- "My spec does tank damage outside of my cds when the tanks send all their cds"

[zealous condor]

If you can macro current fury to scrolling

[young swan]

fun is subjective

[sullen dove]

maybe understand fun is subjective and i enjoy hitting big fire odyn button and seeing many numbers pop up?

[zealous condor]

There’s a problem

[young swan]

i dont find s2 fury fun in raid

[compact knot]

im kinda split, the s3 tier set is WAY more fun in raid for me, but the s2 tier set is way more fun in m+ for me

[static nest]

can you please for the love of god understand

[young swan]

and m+ is cringe outside of weekly keys

[static nest]

i never once talked about raid

[sullen dove]

like all things considered while ravager/reck felt kinda good to have their buffs up and shit, those buttons are SO BAD compared to odyns

[static nest]

ah yeah that explains a lot

[sage smelt]

No Augury but 489 2hander

[sullen dove]

[fading sky]

it is what it is

[robust widget]

s2 fury was fun in keys, not so much in raid
s3 fury is fun in keys and in raid
case closed 😎

[odd star]

S3 haters and not resorting to personal attacks challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[clever belfry]

pugging keys cringe
high key can be fun
with fun men

Do not play m+ u will lose braincells

[clever path]

Lame take

[fading sky]

ngl for me its the same, i only do up to like 25s though

[clever path]

Too PG and family friendly

[zealous condor]

If you don’t like keys that’s fine, but shitting on people who enjoy it is giga cringe

[sullen dove]

MEN?

[compact knot]

idk but the season 3 tier set lets me burst for 5 million dps in epic battle grounds for pvp so i like running that 💀

[fading sky]

so cant say for experience higher ups

[sullen dove]

ayo

[young swan]

who am i shitting on

[static nest]

i told this dude at least 4 times the whole point was that the set just isnt fun, not that its not strong

[young swan]

i just said a game mode is cringe

[clever belfry]

my highest key is timed with a female in the group
curious

[sullen dove]

[zealous condor]

[clever path]

Raid is a sespool where nothing really changes weekly

No thanks

[clever belfry]

actuja

[sullen dove]

👑

[compact knot]

wrong

???

[molten relic]

sick of playing AM and ravager if im being honest

[dire badge]

fun isn’t subjective cause fun isn’t real

[zealous condor]

Raid early on is great

[molten relic]

that shit wasnt fun in SL either

[young swan]

prog in a mythic guild higher than wr 1000

[molten relic]

and neither was signet

[cedar edge]

The only thing that changes in M+ weekly is how annoyed i am doing dungeons lol

[young swan]

pretty fun

[clever belfry]

anyone talking about "having fun" in wow

clearly doesnt play the game

[clever path]

Imagine ever getting into mythic raid

[clever belfry]

just app to a guild?

[compact knot]

ah there we go

[clever belfry]

guilds are always bleeding xdd

[zealous condor]

That’s one of the hardest things for new players to break into

[clever path]

They are ?

[clever belfry]

yes

[dire badge]

if raid isn’t cracking one with the boys hitting bad guys yeah you’re gonna have a bad time

[young swan]

I did it 🤷‍♂️

[zealous condor]

Since wow players are some of the biggest gate keepers known to man

[clever path]

Where do I look for one

[robust widget]

hey anda got a spot

[clever belfry]

idk ask my gm

i went from no guild
to wr 450 in hfc farm?

[zealous condor]

what do you consider a new player tho

[clever belfry]

then 450 -> 200 -> 100 to top 3

[upper mica]

I'm going to hit 3100 io without augury or legendary.... my god I just cannot get lucky!

[clever path]

I literally have no idea what those words and numbers mean

[robust widget]

which guild in anda

[clever belfry]

right now im in turtles vibin

but i used to be not dogshit

[sullen dove]

do i stat recraft 3 different items and replace all gems for 800 dps

methinks yes

[clever belfry]

fuck no

[young swan]

anyone who hasnt cleared a raid before is pretty new

[gray nexus]

yes

[dense ember]

Hello! Is it worth to macro reck+avatar together?

[clever path]

Heroic ?

[static nest]

no

[clever belfry]

no dont do that this season

[robust widget]

no

[young swan]

just period

[clever path]

I cleared normal week 1, heroic week 2

[zealous condor]

I’m confused, are you saying you never cleared a raid before?

[clever path]

[gray nexus]

does anyone know if the bad luck protection applies to the NEXT kill - or the next week

[zealous condor]

Cus that’s not what I’m asking at all

Or what im saying

[cedar edge]

nobody knows anything

[young swan]

no im saying i would consider anyone who hasnt cleared a raid pretty new

[zealous condor]

Yeah so I’m asking like

[past pivot]

If you do, then you still need them on separate keybinds. Most people just leave them alone for that reason.

[zealous condor]

What expac would someone have to start to be considered a new player

[young swan]

current one

[gray nexus]

I know if you do heroic, you get the cumulative chances of LFR, norm, and heroic
If it applies on the next kill even though it's tiny, wouldn't that make doing lfr before heroic clear slightly worth it. Since you'd get the bad luck protection from LFR but IDK maybe im thinking too much abt it

[compact knot]

nah fuck this, vote season 1 so everybody is angry

[dense ember]

May I ask why not?

[clever path]

No

[zealous condor]

And they’d have to improve incredibly fast to even have a chance of getting a spot in a top 100 guild (where raid is actually fun and not a chore after 5 weeks)

[cedar edge]

yeah just clear heroic

[gray nexus]

I mean I'm doing heroic already

[past pivot]

No one knows how blp works. It may just be applied on kill. Just kill him on the highest difficulty you can each week and hope.

[young swan]

i didnt say top100

i said wr1000

which is very easily doable

[gray nexus]

If we don't know, then getting the BLP from LFR would in theory increase my overall chance for that week

[dapper goblet]

user error

[zealous condor]

Ah I miss read my bad

[clever belfry]

get into wr1000
get okay parses
jump 500 world ranks in a tier

its not that hard

[olive wraith]

It’s best to cast rek before charge. And if you macro them together you’ll cast OF out of range and whiff

[molten relic]

the way blizzard said doing ur highest each week gives highest chances

implies BLP is following week

not current week

[robust widget]

because especially on pulls you want to reck -> charge for a guaranteed rampage for an enrage so you get OF buffed and on CD for the set buffs/resets and then use avatar after OF dot falls off

[molten relic]

otherwise doing LFR norm then heroic

[zealous condor]

Yeah I mean either way that’s incredibly daunting for a lot of new players

[young swan]

all g

[molten relic]

is the best

[cedar edge]

there is zero shot someone actually thinks they could go from no experience to CE

[molten relic]

which is not their intention

[zealous condor]

Is all I’m trying to get at

[clever belfry]

i did 🤷‍♂️

[young swan]

i did

[clever belfry]

but im built diffy

[young swan]

in legion

[gray nexus]

I think they're referring to the % chance on kill not factoring in BLP for that week bc you know, blizz

[young swan]

literally did exactly that

[clever belfry]

🦾

[clever path]

What’s Fyrrak mythic phase anyway

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

there isnt one

[frozen field]

I did this in WoD

[molten relic]

the only way what they said is true is if BLP applies to following week

[zealous condor]

I only started playing in s3 of SL and it took up until this tier to find a half way decent guild to prog mythic with

[cedar edge]

I need receipts STAT then

[molten relic]

their intent is you just do ur highest then bounce

[clever path]

Guess it’s time to go clear mythic

[carmine mason]

i so sad you smooth brains gonna vote s3

[dapper goblet]

BASED

[sullen dove]

bro says as he walks in here with the smoothest brain

[frozen field]

Good. Stay sad.

[dire badge]

I did

[clever belfry]

gripless mofos

[gray nexus]

That's what I'm assuming Flakk. But the LFR and the Fyrakk token from the other difficulties is different. So it's hard to say if popping the token from LFR would increase ur chances from heroic or not

[zealous condor]

Based

[molten relic]

all the BLP is the same shit

[olive wraith]

This is sky hold we all smooth brain

[clever belfry]

they said big token only applies next week

we kinda ahve to trust them on that

[molten relic]

heroic one gives heroic blp boost

[clever path]

Just use them all wtf

[molten relic]

and all prior ones

that you havent done that week

[clever path]

Are you gonna hoard them

[zealous condor]

And not to mention the drama and BS that comes with raiding is so fucking cringe to be around

[molten relic]

so if u do just heroic- it gives you the normal and LFR chance and BLP too

[gray nexus]

I think you're misreading what I wrote lol, I said nothing about hoarding

[molten relic]

If you do LFR then heroic

the heroic one will give heroic + normal

[olive wraith]

Is there no drama in keys?

[molten relic]

but not LFR since u already ran LFR

[olive wraith]

I’ve had some horrible pug experiences

[gray nexus]

I'm not talking about the chance, strictly talking about token application that's all

as in the rolls i'm not referring to

[cedar edge]

I see no receipts for these zero to hero runs someone gotta link me

[molten relic]

the BLP applies to all difficulties

presumably for the following week

[gray nexus]

ya if it's the following week then lfr is pointless so i have no clue

[past pivot]

The token is just a visual participation trophy. You’ll likely get the blp on kill.

[gray nexus]

if they confirmed it is, then that answers the question

[molten relic]

the reason we assume it applies following week is because they said you only need to do ur highest possible for the best chance each week

[young swan]

my nh/en logs are lost to the void but en i only cleared heroic and started mythic raiding in nh, last time i played was mop but i was 12 and basically just did heroic dungeons
tomb: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78212533?zone=17#zone=13
abt: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78212533?zone=17#

[molten relic]

which is not true if BLP applies to current week

[gray nexus]

I dont think they would tell us even if it did apply the next week

[past pivot]

People have gotten the token and the leggo at the same time. What does that mean??

[molten relic]

No but you can infer that because of what they said

and we've seen BLP token + leggo for the same person on one kill

[gray nexus]

Well, we've inferred a lot of things and been wrong. Was just curious on the confirmation

[molten relic]

which means heroic just rolls all ur chances

from lower difficulties

at the same time

[robust widget]

i lowkey forgot the absurd numbers of legion dps

[young swan]

i miss her so bad..

[molten relic]

and the BLP tokens give cumulative boosts which include all the lower ones

[sullen dove]

do i win

[clever belfry]

u just displayed them as X.YZ

who cares if its 150k

or 1.50m

[clever path]

No

[sullen dove]

thats gonna be next xpac dont worry

[clever belfry]

its literally the same

[dire badge]

no it’s more

[gray nexus]

I'll just keep doing LFR to grab the token before heroic clear. If there's no confirmation of BLP being weekly or on token use then there's no way of knowing

[carmine mason]

obv moe

[sullen dove]

[robust widget]

yeah i know but seeind 2mil dps hits different than 200k, while its technically still the same since bosses had so much more hp too

[clever path]

[past pivot]

It’s your time to waste.

[unreal onyx]

HUGE WIN

[clever path]

You can thank me now

[clever belfry]

turn off damage numbers

live in bliss

[robust widget]

no

[sullen dove]

wait i dont think i put the missive in it i had to reopen window

literally recrafted nothing

-6 alloy

lol

[clever path]

Hello is this RuneScape

[molten relic]

no

if you dont see damage numbers then all your attacks miss

[clever path]

Go play RuneScape without damage meters wtf

[frozen field]

Turn off numbers. Keep your head free of thoughts and still weigh in that you want s1

[clever path]

And missclick vote s2

[frozen field]

Lmao

[covert blaze]

I did

[clever path]

[cedar edge]

im looking at these logs @young swan

[gray nexus]

I did too but that was also in HFC which was a LOOOOONG ass raid tier

[young swan]

gonna walk my dog lmk when i pass ur test

[cedar edge]

how tf you do 270k in council

savage

[clever belfry]

doge

[clever path]

Dogs >> cats

[young swan]

theres a snowstorm rn he loves it :3

[oblique trail]

have good tanks

[molten relic]

xan is a demon

thats why

[cedar edge]

thats actually insane

[young swan]

im actually not

very washed up

[clever belfry]

bro u live in canada

[sullen dove]

xan getting ego stroked in fury channel oh god

[clever belfry]

ofc theres a snowstorm

[young swan]

cant parse 99 in mythic

gg

[sullen dove]

no stick = no 99

its that simple tbh

[young swan]

this is actually the first one this year

[covert blaze]

?

[molten relic]

idk bruh i have stick

and dont even parse 99 in heroic

[young swan]

about that....

[molten relic]

[clever belfry]

i dont have a 99 parse on mythic on warr this tier

AMA

[sullen dove]

yea im talkin bout me

not any of you goofies

[young swan]

yeah but u have trinkets

[robust widget]

how are you feeling rn

[young swan]

trinkets = better

[clever path]

Logs pls

[vernal bramble]

WHy tf are ppl voting for season 3 tier to come back...

[sullen dove]

definitely not tru lol

[clever belfry]

real answer?
not well

[vernal bramble]

my fucking god man...

[molten relic]

how do you do almost 400k on tindral

[ashen socket]

Because its better

[molten relic]

is the real question

[covert blaze]

nah i posted logs yday proving some idiot wrong and i got timed out

[robust widget]

[sullen dove]

a worse trinket that does like 1-2% less vs a weapon that does upwards of 5% or more of your dmg

[young swan]

i promise it is\

augury is broken

does passive aoe damage

[oblique trail]

@young swan give me tips on Tindral

Do you have any fun hidden tricks

[young swan]

lego have to chanel for 3 seconds to not do piss dam

[oblique trail]

For a legoless individual

[robust widget]

wait you dont have smolderon either?

[clever path]

wtf where is justice

[young swan]

dont think so

[naive summit]

legendary axe acquired

[clever belfry]

HIT ENEMY

[naive summit]

99% parses will turn to 100%

[clever belfry]

dont stand in boim

[sullen dove]

yea aug is good but im like sayin the next best thing behind it is like still functional, crab/ember/some other shit

[young swan]

its pretty straightforward now @oblique trail just look at lorgs and copy gajeel

[oblique trail]

#showtooltip
/cast spellid 7

[solemn oyster]

I would like to give my apologies to the season 3 gang

[naive summit]

is lorgs the best way to see when u should use leggo

[covert blaze]

[sullen dove]

leggo is just you either have the 5% damage from it or you dont

[oblique trail]

gg

[solemn oyster]

after playing the spec for reals, and learning how to actually use my filler, the season 3 build is now the objective best

[young swan]

yeah but ilvl only accounts for like 2.5% dam

[covert blaze]

🧎

[young swan]

dot for an extra 1%

the last 1.5% is on use

which is very troll at best and suicidal at worst

[clever path]

I used to throw grenades in wrath to increase my dps

[sullen dove]

what

[summer quail]

can anyone save me, we have no monk buff this week and i get a 97 on nymue

[covert blaze]

[clever path]

Why is emoting on stuff not allowed v

[summer quail]

would've been a 99

[north edge]

Ive bricked like 5 keys last week using the leggo

[molten relic]

i rea dit as 370k ngl

but 310k is still insane

[sullen dove]

o what on herioc

[gray nexus]

we are extending tindral soon so won't be able to work on parses anymore 🫣

[clever belfry]

wcause it was spammed to hell and back when it was added

[molten relic]

i am a washed up former CE gamer

[north edge]

the fact that the on use is not hasted makes it feel absoutely awful

[sullen dove]

yea i mean, tindral is just you gotta not be playing with good players and you parse well

[north edge]

on top of the fact that mobs hp dont even move

[covert blaze]

same bestie

[clever belfry]

gg worse paress than me on heroic

[gray nexus]

are we posting heroic or mythic logs

[sullen dove]

or like, the raid i did 310 i like sneaked into a grom raid or something and they had a ton of alts to carry

so 30 man and only like 5-6 actual damagers

[dapper goblet]

gotta no go up and get a bomb if you wanna parse too

[sullen dove]

and you just hit the roots

this is heroic

[dapper goblet]

oh is this heroic

gg

noobs

[clever belfry]

love playing 9 melee and staying down

ez rank 1

ggez

[dapper goblet]

[clever belfry]

get farmed nerds

[gray nexus]

the non pinks make me sad

[dapper goblet]

glad my class cant giga pad on that boss

or i'd be fucked!

[sullen dove]

roots

[clever path]

CE

[covert blaze]

TOOBASED

[molten relic]

maybe my kill times just suck

idk

[covert blaze]

they seem fine

[gray nexus]

mythic parses are ok, but we are extending soon so won't be able to work on them for a few weeks

[hard relic]

how dare you beat m'lord please refrain from doing more damage next time

[robust widget]

your logs are similar to mine an i always blame it on killtime

[sullen dove]

krill issue

dungeon parses

[azure holly]

and if that doesn't work, blame rng

[dapper goblet]

extending when there were no tindral nerfs monka

[robust widget]

TROO

[sullen dove]

yea on god imagine extending if youre not already in like p3 tindral

[ashen socket]

I prefer to just parse at the end of a raid tier

[sullen dove]

or like, i guess p2 is ok too

[oblique trail]

We just got to Tindral tonight and probably extending

Gonna be very monka

[gray nexus]

yeah we were debating extending or what if no nerfs were announced. I think we're doing one more clear week but we mostly do not need any more gear

[azure holly]

my guild started this week and they were barely on p2

[sullen dove]

-1 month of reclear loot for no reason

[dapper goblet]

pretty quirky they didnt nerf shit this week

blizzard HATES you guys

[sullen dove]

vil lied

[dapper goblet]

vil known liar

[gray nexus]

We are on P2. We've cleared the 2 seed sets once but that's it haven't had people live but we're slowly making prog

[dapper goblet]

gaslighter

smells like shit

[clever belfry]

blizz is off until next monday afaik

[dapper goblet]

poops his pants

[clever path]

Finally people stopped bitching about S2 vs S3

[dapper goblet]

abuses bald man

[clever belfry]

like the dev team

[clever path]

New day is dawning

[covert blaze]

xeos forgot his meds again

[dapper goblet]

🔨

[sullen dove]

yea we decided s3 is whats winning anyway so no reason to argue

[robust widget]

[clever belfry]

no meds possible to contain him

[molten relic]

we got no WF

but idk how much that matters

[sullen dove]

but anyway please god give me stick this week so i can big number smolderon

[clever belfry]

no

[dapper goblet]

just cleared heroic didnt get it

[gray nexus]

no me

[dapper goblet]

gg

[clever belfry]

u will wait in line patiently with us

[sullen dove]

gg

i find out in like 7 hours

[clever path]

[sullen dove]

late night raid moment

[dapper goblet]

i'll be whopping in fated anyway

no need for orange stick

[robust widget]

is it my turn tomorrow?

[clever belfry]

what will i paly in fated

[clever belfry]

yes

[dapper goblet]

dev

[robust widget]

huge

[edgy widget]

Point still stands though, the overwhelming majority of people who have voiced their content for S2 have cited AM/Rav, not the actual gameplay of the tier itself

Which is something I find very ironic - that it's not about the actual tier set mechanic at all, just the build that it happened to use

[clever belfry]

i will not play evoker

the 25y shit can fuck off

[sullen dove]

fr evoker is being crippled for no reason

[static nest]

if the s3 set forces you into the build you don't like

it's more than valid to dislike the set itself

even if its not its fault directly

[sullen dove]

idk they thought they were doing something quirky with that 25 yard range shit and its just bad, for no reason

[clever belfry]

maybe i play this character next tier?

[sullen dove]

why did bro censor his characters

[robust widget]

sus blurring the other chars

[sullen dove]

wtf you got back there

[azure holly]

insecure

[covert blaze]

why are you censoring

weirdo

[clever path]

🤮

[clever belfry]

im not leaking my gold characters

[clever path]

But hey atleast it’s not a paladin

[azure holly]

what gold? 50k?

[robust widget]

space mommy good choice though

[clever belfry]

@hearty surge

[clever belfry]

real

[clever path]

Belf chics better

[clever belfry]

i can make LF one blue right

[robust widget]

both good

[clever belfry]

cause i dont like the LF colors

[clever path]

Hoofs don’t please me

Feet better

[covert blaze]

🥵

[sullen dove]

it aint the hooves...

[clever belfry]

love handles king tho

[clever path]

The curves ?

[clever belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[sullen dove]

the

[clever path]

Bazongas?

[sullen dove]

na

[clever path]

Bazookas?

I think it’s time to take meds , go to sleep, wake up , vault shitty loot and get legendary

[sullen dove]

28% haste and 25% verse

[naive summit]

how many hours does it take to complete leggo quest

[clever path]

Too much haste

[clever belfry]

40401010

[edgy widget]

8-14ish, depending on how much help you get

[molten relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/75EoEMCoAacJpqQgUdksWk

.>

[unreal onyx]

took me 1.5 days approx

[clever path]

What do you even need to do for the quest ? Craft stuff ?

[molten relic]

getting close

[sullen dove]

legendary haver opinion rejected

[molten relic]

fly to azure vault a few times and to plains a few times

10 or so superblooms

then rares

[clever path]

[unreal onyx]

im surprised the robot wants you to stack vers in gems and enchants

[molten relic]

quest with some 5minute cd thing that is faster with helpers

[clever path]

I hope I can just throw gold at people to help

[unreal onyx]

doesn't work

[clever path]

Rip

[unreal onyx]

you still have to throw gold at people to buy mats in the ah

[molten relic]

i prob need to run siums with just the gems/enchants

to get the exact best ones

dont have premium

so I cba running 10 sims

[clever path]

Is 1.5 m enough I hope

Cause that’s all I have

[robust widget]

easily

[unreal onyx]

mine cost like 120k I think

[molten relic]

I think verse haste gems are my highest simming

[robust widget]

what is leggo nowadays

200-300k?

[clever path]

Thank god

[molten relic]

most expensive part ofr me was 200 resonant crystals

[sullen dove]

damn... second crafted ring 1000 dps buff, where the igira one is 800, socket included

[molten relic]

cost like 150k?

I socketed my ring before realizing I coulda crafted second one for 800 more dps smh

[sullen dove]

i lose a bit of haste for more crit with igira ring and haste already a teensy bit low so maybe i could make it work but lookin like a craftege angle again

i mean i literally got nothing else to socket until i get a good 489 belt

[robust widget]

i mean why do i ask, i'll get it tomorrow and then i know for sure

[sullen dove]

but nothing else to craft either really so seems like might as well

[snow edge]

Igira is a DPS loss for me too even with socket; crafted rings tough to beat

[sullen dove]

1.2k actually

i mean if i somewhere somehow sacrificed crit for more haste on my gear, it'd probably even out

but i mean you snooze you lose think i just send the ring

almost 235k pre legendary

[lucid epoch]

Where does the Gore-Crusted Block trinket land for us? I have a myth one in my vault but I'm not sure how worth it it is. My other trinkets are a Branch and a Signet Brand, but the Signet Brand is difficult to keep up in mythics.

[sullen dove]

[snow edge]

Ring solid choice, unlikely to switch unless you get a really good dungeon ring option

[sullen dove]

its pretty good aoe trinket but there may be other better farmable ones

like crab/might/ember is ok i think

if u got nothing better to pick or dont want/need a socket its prolly fine

[snow edge]

Ember is a solid M+ choice; consistent and has the added bonus of providing DR

[olive wraith]

It’s solidly mid

[oblique trail]

If you got Ember from BRH I'd just use that

If no Augury

[coarse nest]

235 pre Lego bro dayum

[modest condor]

as far as passive trinkets go it's one of those generic stat sticks like sandglass and crab, i'd say it's worse than ember because ember is more consistent and also has defensive value, but cant really pick a best one between the other 3

(talking about m+)

[sullen dove]

damn havent brushed the dust off this bad boy in a while

[clever belfry]

waterfuck

[tulip swallow]

I liked the season 2 tier better but the season 3 tier is also ok

I mostly just liked the cash register weakaura when it was stacked, pure dopamine

[lean wasp]

Am starting to get flashbacks from season 2 bt and i might pick s3 very soon

[frozen field]

You're like a unicorn

[gray nexus]

I think the only thing left I need is legendary axe.. aside from mayb tindral belt and a myth track rezan

maybe it's time to start alt

[sullen dove]

bro is him

[gray nexus]

it's the point of the season where just sit there like
o nothing left to farm time to raid log

[sullen dove]

only got 3 483s left

[lean wasp]

17 avoidance??

[sullen dove]

my guy avoiding everything

[oblique trail]

raid logging is best moment

[gray nexus]

Both my trinkets procced avoidance, and my chest has avoidance also

[sullen dove]

avoidance brand augury

[lean wasp]

Including legendaries

[clever belfry]

loot hack??

[robust widget]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[sullen dove]

this is the guy with 496 crafted gear

[clever belfry]

i had 15% avoidance week 1

...

[warm crag]

arrest this guy

[clever belfry]

now i have 4.51%...

[sullen dove]

same

2 enchant mfs

[clever belfry]

i have

2 speed pieces tho

[sullen dove]

big

[clever belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/iLCOj9h.png wroom wroom

[tulip swallow]

Tier 2 set bonus but also buff OF by 50% baseline so I don't have to play onslaught

[warm crag]

@clever belfry mythic augury with avoidance drops tmrw and goes to red man thoughts?

[clever belfry]

surely not

[warm crag]

oooh or a mage

[clever belfry]

surely it goes to me

for deva

[wild mural]

[lean wasp]

Where is your lego tho ?

[gray nexus]

I shoved it up my ass and can't find it

[lean wasp]

[sullen dove]

missing 2 sockets

[gray nexus]

in time

too bad can't just farm sockets lol

[coarse nest]

Brooo Jesus

🥄

[gray nexus]

My reward? Living in tindral prog hell

[coarse nest]

Same just without that gear

[molten relic]

@unreal onyx robot wants me to do verse crit gems

[coarse nest]

Only 486

[molten relic]

with verse enchants

[gray nexus]

[unreal onyx]

damn

I mean, possible

[atomic nymph]

Gimme trinkets & head

[molten relic]

22

[unreal onyx]

if you got enough mastery yet

[gray nexus]

I had vers but top gear told me to swap it all back to mas and change one enchant to... haste.... which was odd

[molten relic]

22/24/23/58 for stats rn

[unreal onyx]

pant

[sullen dove]

do i start taking arms pieces out of vault for when it inevitably gets another 6% buff and overtakes fury

looks juicy

and dont necessarily require a socket anymore

[unreal onyx]

are those the haste pants?

[molten relic]

need 489 mainslots to break 24 I think

[atomic nymph]

Its just crafted mastery/vers for +3 ilvl over 483's

[gray nexus]

neck is doodoo

[clever belfry]

holy moly a socket

[sullen dove]

HOLY

+500 GOLD SAVED

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saving 200g or so

[unreal onyx]

fair, I was about to say why you would have haste pants and still use SF

[modest condor]

maybe for arms

[unreal onyx]

I want 489 shoulders in vault tomorrow

or hc augury

[clever belfry]

not having hc augury

L

noober

[coarse nest]

Bis for arms

[clever belfry]

skill issue

[atomic nymph]

Cant use vers bracers, already at 7k vers with phial without em

[gray nexus]

all i know is my stats must be in a weird ass spot to be requesting me to throw on haste enchant on my ring

[unreal onyx]

I have nm with leech

[urban tapir]

don't have aug can confirm skill issue

[coarse nest]

What is your stat split?

[sullen dove]

yea im like basically done gearing fury except for like 3 pieces that just havent dropped yet but surely prepare the arms for when its buffed to be better than fury

[unreal onyx]

[sullen dove]

instead of just holding onto a socket just to hold onto it

[unreal onyx]

you can use your sparks to craft crit/haste rings

[unreal onyx]

if you don't know what to do with them

for arms

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do we get a spark or a cata charge with this reset

[unreal onyx]

cata iirc

[coarse nest]

Definitely avoiding

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Madge

[gray nexus]

ya i just stand in mechanics now gg

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how much hp you have unbuffed? do we hit the 1mil this season already without buffs?

[gray nexus]

no, I'm at 935k unbuffed

[molten relic]

I have 965 with the 5% stam before shockwave

without fort

[unreal onyx]

0 way you hit 1mil without buffs

[molten relic]

missing 6 ilvl on gloves chest and helm

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[molten relic]

probably can get close

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so close yet so far

[unreal onyx]

im at 938k unbuffed

[warm crag]

weak

[gray nexus]

stam from the axe is pretty huge i dont have that either

buffed in raid tho I am definitely over 1 mill

[unreal onyx]

ik

still got leggo

[molten relic]

but how bout with endurance training

[sullen dove]

catalyze boots for 150 dps ez

[gray nexus]

I'm not running endurance training. To be real though, we don't really need so much hp t he self sustain is so good

let me see what i'm at with it though

i do run it in M+

[sullen dove]

yea i mean you dont run it in raid thats silly

[gray nexus]

oh

[sullen dove]

but you take it to get to shockwave m+