fury

[olive wraith]

We don’t really have to wait for auto attacks to get rage though

[zealous condor]

Can be condensed to a scroll wheel

[fading sky]

hmm i should prob reinstall windows ... ive changed cpu since last install 😄

[edgy widget]

and spaming RB/Rampage can't? lmao

[zealous condor]

I don’t feel like that has much more skill involved

[south kayak]

How many times does Archi have to explain why season 3 is more complicated than season 2 before you get it?? Holy fuck

[true arch]

but we're replacing one of our generators with auto attack

[ebon junco]

Scrolling

[true arch]

which is so boring

[olive wraith]

We now use slam

[warm swallow]

Right but one was good in raid and m+, and one is just good in raid. People are actively voting to be worse at the video game right now

[olive wraith]

Instead

[warm swallow]

Its mad

[olive wraith]

It’s the same thing

[true arch]

slam borin ahh hell bro

[edgy widget]

honestly it feels like you're being really condescending and derivative, like a reasonable human being should be able to recognize the qualities of an argument regardless of how they feel about the subject

[odd star]

ok ok thats all good and dandy but what set are you voting for

[edgy widget]

which is to say you might not like S3, but it shouldn't be hard to understand what is good/bad about it

[true arch]

doesnt light up and shit like raging blow did

[odd star]

this is set wars at the end of the day

[south kayak]

The Warriors: Civil War

[void valley]

The real argument

[edgy widget]

just sayin "lol it's ez git gud" is really derivative

[zealous condor]

I completely understand what is good/bad about it

[olive wraith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1162706399709634640/74cd8f4572fcafc270bfc2b607bbfdce.png?ex=65aba7b7&is=659932b7&hm=fad2fd7c3132c91c8480a5fdc60c0481ea1c34bf44b032c7dcd455ed735b36ba&

[void valley]

S1 mog > s2 mog

[clever path]

and we are still gonna be shit in raid regardless

and raid is irrelevant

[south kayak]

Classic

[clever path]

its fated

[zealous condor]

I apologise I’m not trying to come across that way

[clever path]

who cares

[edgy widget]

"condense it to a scroll wheel" like my dude S2 rotation is literally easier in every way

[warm swallow]

100% agree

[zealous condor]

But I feel like ur just putting words in my mouth at this stage

[clever path]

i just wanna play m+ but no

[zealous condor]

Like ur also being the same man

[clever path]

s3 tier in m+ makes me want to gouge my eyes out

[edgy widget]

they're your words lol

[odd star]

archi trying to turn this into a civil discussion with sound arguments and reason while every class discord is warring about which set to pick right now

[coral swan]

i do like being a 1.5min cd bot in m+ :)))))))))

season 3 tier set is bis guys come on

[clever path]

that loses to 40 sec specs

[edgy widget]

no, absolutely fucking not - full stop

I gave you a detailed god damn breakdown of the good and bad of both, like I wrote literal paragraphs

[olive wraith]

This guy just doesn’t like opposing arguments

[clever path]

in those 1:30 winodws

[zealous condor]

Again ur misunderstanding what I’m saying

[edgy widget]

feel free to elaborate

[odd star]

i think i'll vote season 2 just because i dont have time (or skill) to mythic raid

its m+ for me

[void valley]

S2 actually meta for Mountain Thane practice

[clever path]

wow!! raiding in fated???????

its so irrelevant s4 is a for fun season

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[clever path]

pick the fun tier

[coral swan]

lmaooo imagine caring about raiding in fated, just go afk

[true arch]

i think u all should vote for season 2 appearances so i can get the pvp set i missed out on, thank u kings

[clever path]

Fun is subjective

[olive wraith]

Ye. Im enjoying this tier the most

[clever path]

season 2 enjoyer season 3 realists , but we all can agree season 1 bonus is not a way to go

[edgy widget]

If you like the AM/Rav build, sure go for it
But just FWIW, Fury is in a better place right now in S3 than it was in S2 (post-aug)

[coral swan]

honestly idk why they couldnt just let us choose our tier sets. how hard can it be blizzard

[clever path]

yeah staring at 4 mobs having nothing to press because u used ur cds last pack

except of

[edgy widget]

S2 build is a little better in terms of AoE burst, but the ST in S3 is way higher

[clever path]

is really fun isnt it

[odd star]

its better this way. class discords needed a reason to infight

[spring geyser]

OF is a cd

[clever path]

never happens to me

[fading sky]

i mean in low keys

[clever path]

rip and tear 24/7

[odd star]

i do like having good ST to be honest...

[edgy widget]

a few reasons - tuning is one, acquisition is another

[fading sky]

in high keys its never an issue

[warm swallow]

In raids maybe but certainly not m+

[edgy widget]

there's no mechanism for upgrading 3 different sets via the Catalyst

[edgy widget]

Yeah I'm talking in M+

[hardy fog]

Bloodthirst go burr and big numbers are huge dopamine.

[clever path]

it definitely is

[fading sky]

i feel like we are in a good spot in M+ as well ?

[edgy widget]

lotta people don't realize how good Fury actually is in M+

because it's getting clapped by DH/Mage/etc

[charred ledge]

I disagree so much tbh

[edgy widget]

but that's more a matter of how overtuned they are, not how undertuned Fury is

[sudden tusk]

burst profile is one of the most important in the game

[olive wraith]

But the 3600 guy said fury is bad

[edgy widget]

if you discounted the top meta specs, Fury is one of the best M+ specs right now

[warm swallow]

That argument is a falacy though. "We're good if you ignore these other really good specs"

[edgy widget]

and it sure wasn't meta in S2 so...

[fading sky]

exactly

[edgy widget]

it's not a falacy, because comparisons matter

[fading sky]

ok i havent run into that issue above like a 24 in fortified and in tyrannical ... well it truly doesnt matter

[runic pine]

You can be a good spec

And just not be as good as the ones that are outliers

[sudden tusk]

i mean if you consider the relative power of fury. the fact we are hard capped and are within 40-50k depending on the key of DH

[edgy widget]

this

[sudden tusk]

is pretty impressive

[zealous condor]

I understand that the S3 tierset has a lot of good and lot of bad things about it, I just simply don’t agree (which is fine) that it’s anywhere near as difficult (which no fury build really is) as season 2 build, especially when I don’t feel the build has anywhere near as many nuances are you’re making it out to have, again I apologize if I came off condescending in any manner.

[charred ledge]

Talking about overtuned and undertuned specs doesn't make any sense when the tuning is this one and Blizz won't change it

[odd star]

im a firm believer havoc and the other members of the current godcomp will get their fair share of nerfs (while probably still being the best specs for m+) to the point that if archimtiros is right it'll eventually be proven

[runic pine]

There are very clear outliers

[sudden tusk]

havoc doesnt really need a nerf at this point

[runic pine]

That doesn’t make the other specs that perform well bad

[sudden tusk]

other classes needs buffs

[fading sky]

hmm

not rly

[south kayak]

Why are there still outliners like that though? they don't seem to want to nerf them

[fading sky]

if 2 specs are outliers

[edgy widget]

tuning changes constantly, though my point is that Fury only looks bad because it's being compared to some very overtuned specs atm

[fading sky]

u cant just buff 34 other specs

[true arch]

bruh

[edgy widget]

if those specs were not as overtuned as they are, Fury would comparatively look a lot better

[runic pine]

You could

[fading sky]

i mean that would 100% be a shit show

[odd star]

buffing all other specs is way harder to control and it makes all the content easier

[sudden tusk]

i mean in this season especially when living is the goal

[charred ledge]

Like it changed all season 2?

[sudden tusk]

fury is insane

[olive wraith]

World first 40 key incoming

[edgy widget]

well actually the meta changed substantially in S2, thanks to Aug

[odd star]

nerfing one spec makes the content fall in line with intendend difficulty while being easier to not reverberate in overall balance

[south kayak]

I mean, what week is it? and they still haven't nerfed those outliners hard enough to not make them outliners

[clever path]

fury was really good pre aug

[edgy widget]

I don't disagree, but the point remains

Fury is not weak in M+ by any means right now

[charred ledge]

I meant after 10.1.5

[edgy widget]

it's just not as good as the meta

[odd star]

shadow priest took months to get all their nerfs iirc

[sudden tusk]

im just suprised arms hasnt seen buffs yet

[fading sky]

i mean heck ARMS is weak

in M+

[sudden tusk]

like very suprised

[charred ledge]

Early season literally doesn't matter

[true arch]

the fact that we're using "another class makes us good" means our class sucks ass

[zealous condor]

It’s only really competing in very high keys due to its ability to survive

[edgy widget]

yes that's what overtuned means

[runic pine]

Surely buffs will come in the 16th

[sudden tusk]

i almost wonder

[zealous condor]

You aren’t bricking high keys cus of damage

[sudden tusk]

if becuase 10.2.5 is kinda smaller compared to the other patches

they will throw all their buffs/nerfs into it

[edgy widget]

Fury is better at that than people give it credit for, but it requires sitting in DStance, and that does impact your damage

but yes, the one-shots this season are crazy

[sudden tusk]

28 fall fury just Dstances and east second boss dot

big own

[odd star]

dude fury is tanky as hell coming from arms

[zealous condor]

That’s a lot of skill I feel, knowing when to hop in and out of d stance

[odd star]

fury is insane

[fading sky]

i mean fury does have shockwave

[zealous condor]

You def do not have to sit in d stance

[sudden tusk]

arms also has shockwave

[hardy fog]

Yeah, for all the good that blizzard has done in the past couple of months, they really have just turned a blind eye to some of the balance. Outside of the outliers, this might be the closest raid tuning of specs in wows history. But you have like 4 specs sitting so far out ahead.

[sudden tusk]

you just give up some dam

[fading sky]

well "warrior" does have shockwave

[zealous condor]

Especially when u can macro the swap

[fading sky]

though playing shockwave in juggernaut spec feels bad

[edgy widget]

then why were you arguing a point that we both agree on? Fury is "bad" compared to overtuned specs because they do a lot of damage

[clever path]

yes but for example critcake is hitting a timer wall before survivability

[edgy widget]

But Fury is actually very good compared to every other spec in the game that's not meta right now

[sudden tusk]

to be fair they've only been back in the office a week since the holidays

[fading sky]

cc and shit is good but if fury did 20% more dmg it would be meta

[vapid mulch]

I mean you don’t have to sit in it tho right, 3 seconds is not a long time in a boss fight or a big fort pull. Just don’t send CDs in it. I really like Dstance since I’ve been pushing

I feel unkillable as fury

[clever path]

ret aug fury is a weird comp you usually dont see but you get the point

[edgy widget]

ergo Fury is not actually as bad as it looks, it only looks bad because the overtuned specs are so overtuned

[zealous condor]

Yeah for sure

[edgy widget]

no you don't, it is good

[zealous condor]

I mean compared to some off meta specs it doesn’t look all too great

[edgy widget]

there are actually quite a few Wars pushing keys to good levels right now despite not being meta

like Fury is really not in as bad a place as yall think

[clever path]

fury just

[zealous condor]

WW monk PUMPs and can deal with every affix in the game

[clever path]

doesnt die

[charred ledge]

So warrior is good if you ignore the better specs, got it 👍

[clever path]

same with ret

[edgy widget]

also S3 tier bonus has a lot more ST, which actually does matter in higher keys

[south kayak]

What would you say is meta? Like I'm seeing a lot of specs that can do more damage than fury. Outlaw, Havoc, mages, Elemental shaman, warlocks, BM and I don't know what else

[vapid mulch]

If Dh wasn’t literally gigabrain dead overtuned crayon chomping mongoOP fury would beat it

[olive wraith]

We’re upper middle

[edgy widget]

its in a better place than it was in S2

[zealous condor]

Big agree

Not for keys

In raid absolutely

[runic pine]

In fairness we kinda slap the “meta” specs in prio/boss damage

[edgy widget]

even in keys, I mean it's a different set of dungeons so it's not entirely 1:1

[zealous condor]

Fury felt way better in keys S2

[fading sky]

not dh or bm

[odd star]

ele and warlock too? didnt know that im still new to this season

[zealous condor]

Yeah that’s a fair point

[fading sky]

or rogue

[runic pine]

And we still bring good aoe

[edgy widget]

yeah, give anything enough damage and it becomes meta

[runic pine]

We def slap dh in single target in keys

[edgy widget]

yeah that's possible but feeling better and being better aren't always the same thing

[runic pine]

Wadu

[zealous condor]

I do think a reck rav build would benefit these dungeons much better

[olive wraith]

Bm dies to a sneeze though

[runic pine]

DH st isn’t that great in keys

[charred ledge]

Ok, you're on a mission on winding people up, good luck then

[edgy widget]

you can actually play AM/Rav/OF pretty easily if all you want is to clap MT damage

[edgy widget]

lol bitch you've sat here and repeated the most asinine "non-points" for like 10m and you're talking shit to me? Get the fuck out

try contributing to a conversation instead of talking shit

[olive wraith]

[chilly sapphire]

Am I the only one having issues getting through with votes on the battlenet site for spec bonuses /looks?

[olive wraith]

How many dps classes are there

[south kayak]

Rather have not great st damage and insane aoe than the other way around

[edgy widget]

really fucking stellar insight my dude, when's your next ted talk?

you're clearly an analytical genius

[zealous condor]

Ah now in fairness

[hardy fog]

Lets not do this, we can be civilized.

[zealous condor]

Ur now being very condescending

The vibe was fine

[frozen tartan]

Probably fury in S3 is in the best spot it has been for whole DF. But gameplaywise... It just sucks imo

[south kayak]

To be fair, the other guy was being condensending to him

[edgy widget]

No, I'm responding to condescention after sitting here and having a civil argument with people who don't want to be civil

[clever path]

The vibe was definately not fine lol

[zealous condor]

I mean it’s a public forum right

[tiny notch]

i’m voting season 1 set cause you can’t play nice

[zealous condor]

SAME

[clever path]

based

[edgy widget]

I've written out god damn paragraphs of well reasoned argument and I get single line nonsense responses like this

[clever path]

people just baiting with shit like "season 3 tier set sucks hurr durr, dh is best and so is paladin"

[zealous condor]

I mean that’s a valid point

[runic pine]

Idk I really don’t see the whole “s2 was better” angle

[clever path]

the numbers are literally there

season 2 was shit

[charred ledge]

[edgy widget]

it's not a valid point, it's a meaningless one, and it ignores everything that had just been said about it

[clever path]

season 1 was shit

[hardy fog]

fwiw, I do think that S3 is the strongest fury has been. I wonder how well it competes with S2 Arms, though. Should be interesting.

[chilly sapphire]

Think a lot will vote ssn2 just due to it feeling more powerful when it was current.

[eternal sundial]

@charred ledge 👋

[clever path]

am was more fun to play

for the majority

[silent vault]

I dont know why they do these voting things, people with different incentives will vote and then get angry when something wins that doesnt fit their needs

[sullen basin]

google dot com protection warrior season 1 and 2 set bonuses
i voted season 3 fury btw

[frozen tartan]

Just from gameplay aspect. At least for me. Don't like the 2 button rotation, with the occasional pause, because you can't press anything at all.

[charred ledge]

Hi Phil

[eternal sundial]

I vote for unfortunate return 😔

[olive wraith]

Afaik prot is gonna go s3

[clever path]

100%

there is no way

prots arent voting s3

[runic pine]

I like AM too, but sometimes having fixed CDs can be nice and it’s only 1.5m it’s still mostly send on CD

[clever path]

What gameplay aspect?
Missing ravager in m+ because tank had to kite mobs and you just stand there like an idiot with no major cd up? lol

[runic pine]

And S2 wasn’t a 2 button rotation???

[edgy widget]

Yeah, it was like that all of S2 too fwiw

[clever path]

what a fucking killer

[eternal sundial]

Every spec having am is a plague

[zealous condor]

This is a super good thing to talk about too imo

[silent vault]

you go tell him 😉

[olive wraith]

Oh that felt real bad

[edgy widget]

and yet Warrior still has the highest non-meta representation in M+

[runic pine]

S2: rb spam and ramp

The press a third button once you hear WA

[clever path]

pretty sure its ret no?

[eternal sundial]

He said something about the game being bad and hating the amount of keys needed to prog so i think it's GG

[subtle lagoon]

Would be great if blizzard made new tier sets and didn't recycle old shit.

[eternal sundial]

😭

[edgy widget]

it might be now, but I'm pretty sure War is close

[junior gale]

Fury warriors fighting between S2 and S3 meanwhile me as arms gonna get S1

[edgy widget]

nobody denied anything, it's just the state of the game

[frozen tartan]

At least you had ravager for every damn mob group. I really liked that tbh.

[warm swallow]

Arms is currently ahead on s3 too

[chilly sapphire]

There's a lot of people playing warrior in general, might influx it.

[olive wraith]

I bet part of the problem is they’re waiting for people who already had +25 or higher timed

[edgy widget]

number of players doesn't really have any impact unless there's a lack of players overall, and there's not

[eternal sundial]

Did u s2 voters like the build or the set

[clever path]

And? How many of those would hit them on sanguine weeks for example? what then?

[frozen tartan]

Was it? I don't really remember it being that tbh.

[clever path]

ret 2k fury 1.2k runs 25+

[junior gale]

oh dam did it change

[warm swallow]

The build

[south kayak]

That is right, there's a fury with 30 timed and there's a lot more with 29s etc

[magic onyx]

and warriors who are pushing high keys dont wanna play with s3 tier pog

[runic pine]

It was RB spam

You only pressed BT when WA said to

[edgy widget]

ok Ret has slightly edged out Warriors

[wild mural]

Vote S2

[edgy widget]

but they're pretty neck and neck right now - this is for all keys

[frozen tartan]

I see you just don't like ravager, which is a fair point. But at least you could just spam your CDs, which I personally really liked. I don't consider ravager to be that much of a problem.

[tiny notch]

i hope someone makes a list of the least favourite set bonuses for each spec, so genuine haters like myself can brick vote other specs

[chilly sapphire]

Oh, my mistake.

[clever path]

ret has less st more aoe and more utility

significantly less st

[fallen ginkgo]

Idc if s1 or s2 i just dont wanna play anni

[clever path]

Spam CD's ? What, like ravager (that misses) and avatar that just buffs your RB ?

[errant vessel]

It's not really when you consider that we're above average in both raid and M+ which is a better spot than ever

[clever path]

I liked ravager, It was nice

they are also tankier generally

[edgy widget]

Yeah I know, I already pulled it upt - though fact of the matter is the higher you go, the thinner it's going to get

[magic onyx]

maybe you should check higher keys not just 0-30

[frozen tartan]

Still it was smoother than right now imo. Abc, no Pause at all.

[runic pine]

You have pauses?

[clever path]

i dont deny it - it is , howevevr, by all acounts inferior to OF and avatar that gives you another fucking OF

[zealous condor]

What happens when you go to 25+?

[runic pine]

If you have pauses you’re sending ramp too early outside of CDs

[edgy widget]

that was my point, filter 30s and it gets even tighter!

it's always going to get tighter as you go higher

that's how M+ works

[zealous condor]

So what about 25+

[magic onyx]

and diff between ret and fury is almost twice in higher keys

[edgy widget]

it was already linked? scroll up

[zealous condor]

Okok

Sorry man there’s a lot of messages in here

[wild mural]

Druid giga?

[sullen basin]

All three are better season 3 what is this good class design or something

[edgy widget]

Fury can do 27s, absolutely

[south kayak]

There's a fury with a 30 timed

[edgy widget]

but the higher you go in keys, the harder a time you're going to have pugging as a non-meta class

[south kayak]

so they can do 27s slmao

[clever path]

can confirm

[zealous condor]

You can def do 27s

[edgy widget]

that's completely unavoidable

[clever path]

27s dont even hurt

[eternal sundial]

Crit does 29s so it's not a spec issue

[clever path]

last boss eb didnt even hurt

[magic onyx]

ret is doing more dmg, and have great utility, warrior can spend all his talents to take fear with 5 target cap and shockwave

[clever path]

30% vers gaming

[frozen tartan]

So it isn't as smooth then.

[wild mural]

Join me in

[edgy widget]

you're pugging (near) the highest levels man, of course they're gonna be more picky

I don't know what you expect to be done about it

[deep sapphire]

@vestal ice I mean just because you're not getting invites doesn't mean other warriors aren't. Maybe your parses are scaring people off?

[magic onyx]

dmg outside of 1.5 cds with current tier in keys is awful

[edgy widget]

it's not something that can be solved - there will always be a narrowing meta the higher you go

[runic pine]

No it’s still smooth it’s just operator error lol

[frozen tartan]

It's just my impression... I enjoyed playing fury more in S1 and S2.

[magic onyx]

and also pressing 2 buttons isnt cool

[clever path]

wow!!! i had an option between 3.2k havoc dh and 3.2k warrior

season 2

[clever path]

fury was like

[edgy widget]

the only thing you can hope for is that your class is part of the meta, but all that does is shift the problem to another class - instead of War bitching about not getting invited, it's DH (god bless)

[clever path]

the best spec pre aug

besides spriest

season 1

[south kayak]

[magic onyx]

fury in s2 was better then now at least cause you were able to dps

[deep sapphire]

I mean season 2 numbers are going to be different because DHs weren't giga busted in it.

[young swan]

no fury was better cause exodia wasnt a thing lmao

[brave cairn]

Idk at least they could fix our utility if they don't touch anything else. It'd help the problem of no invites at least a little bit

[warm swallow]

This. Pre aug fury was pumping

[edgy widget]

utility ain't the problem

[edgy widget]

Yeah they were

Well, they weren't pumping any less after, others just rose above - exactly the problem in S3

[runic pine]

Send ramp at like 100-110 rage outside of CDs if you’re not going to drop enrage, I promise it gets a lot smoother @frozen tartan

[clever path]

pre aug fury was crazy good

[magic onyx]

question mark

[clever path]

outside of freehold

i hated that dungeon

i love being capped

[edgy widget]

nobody gives a shit about utility when you bring big dammies

[frozen tartan]

Will try that, thanks. Still the missing anger management is a problem for me

[olive wraith]

The DF dungeons kinda have some huge ass pulls though

[edgy widget]

and War utility is just as good as DH, they just do more damage rn

[olive wraith]

So maybe t30 might be the play

[clever path]

why do people think utility matters

[magic onyx]

so now you can play without aug, but fury isnt pumping, like at all, and you gonna say that s3 tier is better?

[clever path]

when there is a spec called aug

[zealous condor]

I def disagree

Warrior can’t deal with a single affix

DH can at least so incorp

Do*

[south kayak]

I don't remember if warrior was EVER meta in m+, that is unfortunate

[olive wraith]

I’ve helped with a lot of incorp

[runic pine]

Oh but you can

[edgy widget]

I mean, this is more affix specific, but sure

[magic onyx]

well gl with doing dmg

[fallen ginkgo]

Academy 1st full as arms

[edgy widget]

you can still help with them

[frozen tartan]

I see a lot of meta arguments here and I don't get it. I would vote based purely on gameplay of the spec. Metas change.

[clever path]

i dont remember either

[runic pine]

You can shatter brother

[zealous condor]

Yeah I can but it’s barely

[edgy widget]

exactly my point - utility isn't the problem, damage is

[zealous condor]

You have to drop stormbolt and fear and kick

On the affix

To maybe buy some time

[edgy widget]

Shattering Throw 🙃

[zealous condor]

For someone else to get it

[fossil hatch]

S1 was good because there wasnt a clear clear Meta :p

[zealous condor]

WOOO 3 MIN CD

[edgy widget]

I mean if you were that worried about it, you'd take Shattering

[hardy fog]

The hero we needed, but didnt deserve

[olive wraith]

Spec into menace then

[clever path]

Fear can kill affix if you spec into knockback btw

[edgy widget]

but the reality of incorp is it's just not that hard to handle with a halfway decent group, regardless of the Warrior

it's also only one affix out of several

[summer zephyr]

i mean intimidating shout with the talent that makes it 14 sec is enough to deal with incorp

[zealous condor]

Def not

[clever path]

there is no way people actually expect warriors to deal with affixes

[runic pine]

Utility kinda a meme

Always has been

[clever path]

i never had to deal with incorp or affli

[zealous condor]

But I def still disagree

[magic onyx]

dh can skip packs with fear sigil, dh can save teammates with darkness, dh can use cage, dh have aoe stun for 1 talent and st stun for free

doing more 5 targets dmg than fury

but yeah, you dont need utility, 10% rally is giga good

[zealous condor]

There’s like no affix a warrior can reliably deal with

[true arch]

why tf did they nerf rallying cry tho

[zealous condor]

Which is where a lot of classes utility comes in

[true arch]

feels bad

[clever path]

its fine if we dont just give us dmg

less utility = more time to deal dmg

[zealous condor]

The most utility we have this season

[hardy fog]

Volcanic. Every time.

[magic onyx]

and you asking people to vote for s3 tier, which is opposite from doing dmg in keys

[wild mural]

Huge

[zealous condor]

Is taking wrecking throw for the last boss of fall

[runic pine]

?

You think s2 tier is more damage

[magic onyx]

ofc

[olive wraith]

You act like we do nothing in keys

[runic pine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

[wild mural]

I guess in terms of raw simdps S3 comes out on top

[magic onyx]

in st maybe

[south kayak]

That is a great gif, thank you Matt

[magic onyx]

but deffo not in keys

[south kayak]

Favorited

[runic pine]

Anytime

[tiny notch]

utility being important is based a lot on the the keys and the utility your class can thematically provide. you can never fit mind soothe to warrior to make it good (season 2)

[magic onyx]

im just a warrior main who is playing dh outside of raid, warriors in keys are bad, and you cant do nothing with it

[south kayak]

Yell at someone to soothe their mind

[vapid mulch]

Like he said before tho, if we had this state of fury next season and the current S+ specs were not overtuned, we’d be fine

[olive wraith]

You mean warriors aren’t dh

[wild mural]

Warriors aren’t bad in keys

Just other classes are busted atm

[vapid mulch]

In fact we pump in keys, jus not compared to DH and rogue

[zealous condor]

If you want to play the game, warrs are bad for keys

[true arch]

story of warrior's life

[south kayak]

I know utility doesn't matter but I don't get why warriors don't have Lust

[subtle lagoon]

Numbers wise, it doesn't matter, it'll all get tuned anyway regardless of which tier it is.

Gameplay wise, s2 was peak. Anger management is better than cringy annihilator and RA

[zealous condor]

If you want to play q simulator

Warrs are bis

[edgy widget]

S3 Fury does barely less AoE over time than S2, but OF deals way more consistent damage than Ravager (especially on the kind of big spread out packs we have this Season, that Ravager will never hit all of)

S3 Fury also does far more ST damage, which matters a lot more in the higher keys

[summer zephyr]

not being the best doesnt mean you are doing bad

[south kayak]

makes more sense than some fucking pet having lust

[still swift]

man u guys have it good in here

[stone epoch]

I have only played a warrior for 15 years... is that bad?

[still swift]

shadow chat is a whole ass civil war atm

[vapid mulch]

I depleted a 26 waycrest Sunday by 29 seconds and I was above the braindead crayongobblee purple spec by like 60k overall

[runic pine]

Clearly OF being up all the time and us doing a shit ton of prio damage in keys is less damage than s2 where we bursted kinda harder but had shit boss damage

[edgy widget]

A lot of people get baited by the bigger burst numbers of S2 Fury, but forget that S3 Fury does that burst faster, quicker, and more reliably hits more targets

[zealous condor]

They suck

[wild mural]

Not really

[zealous condor]

But good job tho

[true arch]

whats shadow

[spice sage]

bad news if you think it was any better here earlier

[vapid mulch]

They sure do

[south kayak]

What was tier 1 for shadow?

[frozen tartan]

Like this isn't one lmao

[vapid mulch]

It’s timed if he literally had hands

[wild mural]

S1 only

[zealous condor]

Warr pugging high M+ is Q simulator

[olive wraith]

Spriest down bad this season lmao

[still swift]

broken creature

[magic onyx]

okay, you are doing less than ret, rog, dh, mage, lock, huntard?, druid, you are not bringing anything to the party as a class, no shileds, no mass kicks, nothing

so you are saying that we are better than dk and should nerf everyone else

[runic pine]

If you wanna do big burst anyways just play arms

[still swift]

yea but ours is still ongoing

[wild mural]

I’m not doing less than all those classes

[south kayak]

Actually priest is fine, the higher the adds last, the better they do in aoe so they're pretty good in high keys

[vapid mulch]

Because BM rogue fire and DH are all overtuned like fuck

[clever path]

you bring more on st than ret, lock and huntard

[wild mural]

Cause I can play my class unlike the meta rerollers

[clever path]

pugging high m+ is q simulator regardless of your spec

[still swift]

something that's half as functioning today as they removed mind sear which had an interaction with it

[wild mural]

Real

[still swift]

some haste on cast type of thing

[spice sage]

I'm sure they'll try and spin it in to a way for them to make a dissertation about getting reworked for the 87th time this expansion

[clever path]

if you are signing up for a 27 u better have one timed already

if not a key higher

[south kayak]

Why did these dummies remove mind sear, it was fine pre rework

[loud crown]

I love how Fury feels, but I just can't seem to get the right numbers as Fury. I do around 200k overall dps in BRH 18 as Fury, and as Arms I do around 240k. Big diff

[runic pine]

I haven’t been beat by mage or ret

[true arch]

blud is spitting facts, read up boys

[magic onyx]

because they can't play?

[wild mural]

Real

[still swift]

imagine this chat but 5x faster and u just flame each other for ur set preference with no arguments

[frozen tartan]

Seems like heaven

[stone epoch]

warriors need a button that hits 1million that will solve things

[still swift]

your place to go then

[magic onyx]

warlock can do mor dmg lol, you even dont have a picture of keys

[true arch]

why the fuck would i waste a GCD on utility like some nerd when i could be spamming my next damage ability

[south kayak]

real

[runic pine]

It’s all pretty fuckin moot anyways, since performance will ultimately come down to tuning anyways and not the tier set unless we get s1 tier set which just omegalul gl

[clever path]

i beat demo on st but lose in aoe which is to be expected

[spice sage]

I'm just sold on s3 for the fact it'll probably be really good on fights like broodkeeper, ras, sark etc. OF lines up significantly better than what the AM builds were doing on those fights to pad on adds.

[magic onyx]

play with someone with a few brain cells

[next spindle]

Just press Shockwave and make all other stuns worse :v

[edgy widget]

you're really fuckin condescending for someone who hasn't presented an argument outside of "I don't get invited to +25 keys"

Like ok, first of all half his points were idiocy

• how many talent points you spend on your stuns is meaningless, all that matters is the endpoint result. Warriors have easy access to 2 stuns, an AoE fear, they have great survivability, great mobility, a damage amp, and while Rally isn't amazing in M+ they have that too

Nobody said their utility was fantastic, only that utility matters far less than damage - nobody gives a shit about utility when the damage is high

like seriously, some of yall need to learn how to have arguments without just being snide little shits

if you can't do that, get off the keyboard

[stone epoch]

keyboard warriors is a thing

[spice sage]

🧎‍♂️

[edgy widget]

I'm sorry you didn't get into pug +25 keys, but that ain't my problem lol

[clever path]

why are people complaining about utility when it doesnt matter

[true arch]

im specced into keyboard atm

[clever path]

you either deal dmg or you dont

[true arch]

huehuehuehe

[cosmic lance]

Utility is nice but the key meta generally boils down to big dam and suriviving mechanics, anything else is just gravy

[south kayak]

You are 100% at fault actually

[olive wraith]

Aoe stops are just that. Duration isn’t as important

[clever path]

yes we live everything

[edgy widget]

better utility would be better sure, but that ain't why you're not getting invited. I'd love to know what piece of utility you think would immediately make you meta

cause it doesn't exist

[zealous condor]

I don’t even want warrior to be meta

[edgy widget]

make rally +100%

[still swift]

if I'd stun all the targets hit by my ww for 2s

[edgy widget]

make battle shout +50% lol

[stone epoch]

for 25keys you need min 3200 IO imo

[still swift]

with no diminishing return

[zealous condor]

It’d just be nice to be able to do an affix reliably

[still swift]

and I can perma stun

[hardy fog]

Warrior lust

[zealous condor]

Like I swap to my shaman

[south kayak]

50% attack power

easy

[clever path]

genuinely tho i think rally should be 20% in m+

[true arch]

our damage isnt meta either tho, and if we're not meta, buff warrior

[zealous condor]

And one dispel and boom affix done

[next spindle]

50% AP shout meta gogo!

[clever path]

and keep it at 10% for raid

[edgy widget]

man I responded to you nicely and all you did is mald because you didn't get invited to pugs

[frozen tartan]

Imagine mass spell reflection.

[edgy widget]

like no shit, you're a non-meta class

deal with it

[magic onyx]

well, i dont care about invites cause im not playing warrior in keys in this season
at least, because gameplay with s3 set is dogshit

All that stuff you're listing won't help you if you're just a brown blur moving around on the map

[olive wraith]

Day 30000 of wishing intervene worked on afflicted

[edgy widget]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but ok

[clever path]

i love baits

[runic pine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[edgy widget]

first damage wasn't good enough, then utility wasn't good enough, now you're just saying the gameplay is bad 😆

[runic pine]

I’ve been enjoying the gameplay a lot

[clever path]

nice bait

[zealous condor]

He dislikes how the tierset plays

[edgy widget]

feels like the DH plant is running out of arguments

[zealous condor]

Thsts all he’s saying

[olive wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/only-game-heff-be-mad-gif-5038541

[south kayak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

[edgy widget]

next he's gonna be like "S3 sucks because it looks bad"

[stone epoch]

WITH CDS: GOOD GAME PLAY WITHOUT CDs: DOGSHIT GAMEPLAY

[zealous condor]

With CDs: sadge
Without CDs: sadge

[edgy widget]

just a brown blur moving around the map

I honestly dunno wtf that means, but it actually sounds cooler than not, I'd love to be a brown blur

[next spindle]

S3 makes no sense, noone could fight with that amount of chains hanging off their armour!

[limber locust]

how impactful is the absence of windfury for s2 set compared to s3?

[south kayak]

What is your favorite tier set transmog wise

[fading sky]

ALMOST NON existing

[edgy widget]

brown sanic

[olive wraith]

S3 likes wft more

[clever path]

make warriors play something else and watch them die repeatedly to random damage

[brave cairn]

I don't ask much. Just buff rally like darkness was buffed in 5 man content

[south kayak]

What does this mean

[fading sky]

the way i train myself to not die to shit is ...

[runic pine]

I’ve done this more times than I’d like to admit on my monk

[summer zephyr]

sadly all of our set this exp look really bad

[fading sky]

Play arms for a key or 2

[edgy widget]

sonic, but brown - a brown blur moving around the map

[south kayak]

I disagree but understandable

[clever escarp]

s2 set rocks

[low folio]

after ww buffs, how is fury vs ww

[clever path]

ye because fury is insanely tanky this season

[south kayak]

Seas on 1 set literally rocks

[fading sky]

worse ofc

[subtle lagoon]

My underwear has a brown blur

[fading sky]

WW got major buffs

[olive wraith]

No, s1 rocks

[clever path]

you stupid

[brave cairn]

And maybe put fear somewhere better in the talent tree I guess, but that's too much to ask for 2 volunteer devs that look qt warrior every 3 months

[true arch]

warrior is brown because it matches the class 💩

[edgy widget]

Fury is really defensively strong... if you bother to use D Stance

[south kayak]

It is literally rocks

[edgy widget]

but a lot of people won't, and then they'll say the spec sucks

[clever path]

oh

transmog wise

[fading sky]

Tbf archi without Dstance ....

[clever path]

me stupid then

[grizzled wadi]

S1 literally rocks

[fading sky]

its still tanky as FUCK

[true arch]

good one

[olive wraith]

I mean even without d stance fury is so damn tanky

[fallen ginkgo]

True.

[fading sky]

i feel immortal in like 25 keys

havent gone above that though

[south kayak]

Yes, Judge Dredd (1995), that was stupid

[true arch]

D stance is for the weak

[cosmic lance]

ngl 32% vers in keys im just chilling with "one-shots" on the rest of the group

[fading sky]

at least vs 25 keys in arms where i dstance and use all the defensive utility i have all the time

[stone epoch]

we need solid 20k DPS buff like ASAP, Geared DH do 300k ST and we barely doing 220k without lego and 228k with the Lego...

[spring geyser]

Fury can eat so much damage and get away with it, its wild

[fading sky]

wait what ? mojo ?

300k ST ?

where ?

are these dhs

[olive wraith]

Last boss brh of course

[next spindle]

Sane numbers

[stone epoch]

there was in my raid otherday

[fading sky]

for certain dh is what in keys

[brave cairn]

Why use def stance when you can stack vers

[fading sky]

10% infront of a leggo fury warrior ?

[cosmic lance]

Sir are your haste and crit in the negatives somehow

[true arch]

400dps +42.94%

[next spindle]

is this 300k st dh in this room right now?

[cosmic lance]

How did you achieve this power

[runic pine]

Huh?

[south kayak]

This is my rogue so less impressive lmao

[brave cairn]

....

[fading sky]

i mean i loose to dhs in overall in keys yes but not on every single ST encounter by 80 k 😄

[fossil hatch]

the s3 propaganda is strong in the pins

[south kayak]

Archimtiros, more like Big Brother

[fading sky]

Season 3 is a fuckin great set though power wise for fury

[magic onyx]

@edgy widget I just find it funny how the herd repeats after the person who talks about the difficulties of a fury warrior rotation with the current tier set, how utility is not needed and how no one took talents for improved rally cry

it's time for you to refresh your views on the game and breathe the air that apparently hasn't been refreshed in your room since 2013

[fading sky]

never have we gotten more power from a tier

[spice sage]

the 300k st dh took my wife from me

[brave cairn]

People want s3 with the dogshit design rotation where you sometimes run out of buttons to press?

[olive wraith]

Lol@ehat

[clever path]

people who think season 2 was better are delusional, and should get their fingers fixed

[south kayak]

same

[edgy widget]

nobody said utility isn't needed, and what the fuck is up with your childish insults

I was also right about the rally bit, so cry more I guess? idk

[clever path]

cant manage 2 cooldowns, smh

[stone epoch]

I just looked at logs he got PI, that is my point. PI will go either DK or Rogue or DH.. warriors don't get anything

[odd star]

oof

[fading sky]

which fight again mojo ?

[runic pine]

Something not adding up

[stone epoch]

volo

[runic pine]

Cuz DH is worse in pure st

[grizzled wadi]

Loved the "ka-ching !" WA for S2 so I voted S2. Sorry.

[true arch]

tbh warrior utility isnt bad at all, the problem is you lose a lot of talent points to get the full utility of your class

[odd star]

valid af

[olive wraith]

This is a good take

[magic onyx]

okay

[fallen ginkgo]

Real

[fading sky]

but thats coz its TRUE

[runic pine]

Yeah that’s Volo, DH still behind

[fading sky]

if u bring More dps utlity is 2ndary

[stone epoch]

warriors are being balanced by an AI

[south kayak]

That is literally true

[stone epoch]

AI hates warriors

because we are manly

[south kayak]

Why was survival meta in season 3 SL?

not their utility

[fading sky]

ye if warrior did 10% more than DH in all shit we would be meta over a dh

[south kayak]

that's for sure

[fading sky]

or a fire mage if u want 2 x melee setup instead

[grizzled wadi]

btw if you could militate on the vote thread for blizzard to give us BL it should be very nice.

[edgy widget]

okay?

[south kayak]

the utility of 20% damage buff

[clever path]

a bop

[fading sky]

yeah 😄

[olive wraith]

Trolls are out in force today it seems

[edgy widget]

saying "nobody cares about utility when you bring big damage" is not the same as saying "we don't want more utility"

[fading sky]

i mean ok, like if we get the utility of Ret

[edgy widget]

like how dumb are you?

[clever path]

thats what we need, a warrior styled bop!

[fading sky]

then Mby

Champions BOP

[clever path]

YES

[fading sky]

if u add champion its a warrior thing now btw

[lucid terrace]

ngl warriors not being able to help with a single affix make them pretty shit in m+

[fading sky]

i rest my case

Champions Rally ... 25% health

[sudden tusk]

become ungovernable

[runic pine]

If only blizzard had kept skull banner in the talent tree we’d totally be brought to keys because of utility

[south kayak]

Add in a lust called Battle Cry

[stone epoch]

"Calls the Blessing of Thunderfury" Warrior Goes Bezerk increasing its damage until he dies. is what I want to see.

[odd star]

affixes in 2024?

[grizzled wadi]

We need a big bloostlust cry / banner, this is pure roleplay.

[south kayak]

[magic onyx]

what, you were right about rally?
So a talent with 100% pick rate in raid - trash?

[fading sky]

if only Skullbanner was BASELINE u mean 😉

[clever path]

[fading sky]

nono

Champions Tear's

[edgy widget]

1 - I never called it trash
2 - it literally never had a 100% pick rate, but go off
3 - you were just talking about M+ utility, now you're tryin to dredge up some other old shit - why don't you stick to just one thing to mald about at a time?

[odd star]

i like not doing affixes. can only focus on damage and fingerpoint when affix slaves fail

[next spindle]

You can kill one of those ghost thingies every 3 minutes!!! Ez Affixes!

[clever path]

i like how there are furious discussions in FURY channel

literally godlike

[fading sky]

I mean dont understand the rally nerf

[true arch]

raise battle shout bonus
make some of our CC baseline
raise rallying cry bonus
let us transmog 1h weapons into 2h

[fading sky]

ngl about that

[runic pine]

Aight before I get more brain damage from this chat I should go to sleep

[lucid terrace]

my bad

[fading sky]

BS is good enough

[south kayak]

sheesh

[clever path]

meanwhile prot

[stone epoch]

"Calls the Blessing of Thunderfury" Warrior Goes Bezerk increasing its damage until he dies. is what I want to see.
I WANT A BUTTON THAT I AM SCARED TO PRESS UNLESS IN EXECUTE PHASE. THANKS BLIZZ

[true arch]

every time i take a break from the game i come back and its 5% lower

[south kayak]

Protection warrior players are literally the calmest players ingame

[edgy widget]

making the CC baseline doesn't increase our utility if we were already taking it

nor does the transmog bit, though I like where your head is at

[fading sky]

Battle shout ?

[wild mural]

Prot is the new fury

[olive wraith]

Mountain thane gaming

[lofty delta]

man i'd love to tmog 1h's onto our two handers

[cosmic lance]

Not having fear/zerker rage/howl as baseline definitely kinda sucks though

[magic onyx]

Show me at least one warrior who hasn't taken it in a mythic raid and still thinks he has a brain

[lofty delta]

I hate that they gave us "fury" weapons in the traders thing and we can't use them

[edgy widget]

I agree, but none of those would see high use in M+ anyway

[odd star]

finally a discussion of culture

[cosmic lance]

I used to use all of those regularly in high keys in BFA

[true arch]

but it would affect where our talent points go, increasing our dps and putting us closer to meta

[edgy widget]

🤔 you can go pull up the logs yourself, I'm not doing your homework

[south kayak]

what do you guys replace with zerker rage for AD

[next spindle]

Statistics of "does this player think he has a brain" might be kinda hard to find ngl

[edgy widget]

it didn't have anything near a 100% pick rate in S1 or S2

[olive wraith]

Maybe crushing force

[edgy widget]

in fact it was a fairly mid pick rate overall

[olive wraith]

Or just jump los last second

[clever path]

someone in one m+ community told me to fkoff with that, because 2handers are superior looking in every possible way

[fading sky]

i mean

SL Rally

[clever path]

intim shout cause i personally dont need it when playing with my group

[fading sky]

was worth having 😄

[clever escarp]

true and real

[sudden tusk]

the only use case for zerker rage AND having to take the shout varient for party wide fear removal is if the fuckiing birds bug out around the center ring

[clever path]

was thinking about running zerk shout

[edgy widget]

to a point, there's no damage loss for taking Storm Bolt, and Shockwave is extremely small for 2 points - like 1-2%; that's not going to affect the place in meta

No argument that it would be better than it is now, but not enough to shift the meta

[sudden tusk]

and you cannot kick or stun them up there and they fear your entire group

[lofty delta]

Pff, i wanna copy a rogue mkay? xD

[true arch]

but if they were baseline, they wouldnt be on the talent tree, so maybe we'd get the option to spec into MORE utility or more damage

[lofty delta]

Or just look a bit more normal

[cosmic lance]

I still think the core issue is warrior will probably never be meta as long as our niche is 5 targets, because they key meta will always be pull as much as you can

[odd star]

old 2 handers were WAY smaller

[edgy widget]

maybe, but that's not something you can quantify without knowing what was there

Also they're not just going to give you two stuns baseline for free lol; like... they're just never going to do that period

[cosmic lance]

Those two things just aren't going to work together with how target caps are implented right now

[sudden tusk]

would be fun if war banner from necrolords was in place of shockwave

[odd star]

there are even 2 hander realistic katanas from vanilla to mog

[sudden tusk]

but positioning for it would be giga cringe on top of aug+PI classes

[edgy widget]

5 targets isn't the issue so much as the fact that we're not better at 5 targets than people who are also better at >5 targets

[grizzled wadi]

Fear and piercing howl should return baseline.

[cosmic lance]

Also this yes

[edgy widget]

I don't think either, though I would probably make BzR baseline

[lofty delta]

also i got scamazed by the gold sink lady, 200k for a pair of 1h's i can't use 😭

I just wanna use the "Fury" weapons blizzard so kindly gave us in the traders post.

[edgy widget]

P Howl is fine as a talent, it just needs to be moved up a spot

[grizzled wadi]

We have litteraly no CC if do not pick the talent... yes a root on charge, yay

[edgy widget]

Fear is also pretty fine, it's very easy to get - I would improve menace though

[edgy widget]

? I don't know what that means - you have no CC if you don't take Phowl or Fear?

[next spindle]

Target caps at 5 / 8 / inf really only make sense imo if the ones who are capped at each excel up to that amount.

[storm rune]

Clearly the answer is remove the talent tree

[edgy widget]

yup

[fading sky]

yeye

is just a tuning issue atm

if they fix ww addin 10% more dmg

[cosmic lance]

That's been an issue since they made target caps though

[calm mantle]

Why is there a huge differences between details in game and log dps? My log said i did 133k my details said 190k

[edgy widget]

Aug? Maybe some mobs not getting counted

[grizzled wadi]

Baseline CC : hamstring, charge. That's it. Not really CC...

[next spindle]

big "atm" there

[west pagoda]

any prediction for season 4 item levels? and would we use legendary over few ilvl higher 2hand?

[lofty delta]

aug

[south kayak]

We would be really good if not better than most people at 5 targets if the 2p bonus worked for them. (Stupid as fuck that it doesn't btw)

[sudden tusk]

turn that WW % up to 85 babyyy

[calm mantle]

Ah

[sudden tusk]

and remove the dcap on sweeping babyy

[edgy widget]

I mean the whole point of these talent trees is not to have a bunch of baseline abilities... so yes you are correct that we don't have much baseline CC, neither do most specs

[magic onyx]

100% - low pick rate

[true arch]

i mean not necessarily both storm and shockwave, maybe just make one of them baseline as well as our AOE fear and add some new options that we could spec into

[next spindle]

sheit

[clever path]

wow second wind

huge talent

[sudden tusk]

second winds gonna own next week

bursting

[magic onyx]

wtf do you even mean

[sudden tusk]

[hardy fog]

Mythic Sark Fury Warrior 10.1.7 - Glad we narrowed it down.

[clever path]

what else are u gonna talent into in raid

titanic throw?

[grizzled wadi]

Perhaps like legendary bow during SL S4

[magic onyx]

you are sucking up to someone who says the only talent that makes a raid want more than 1 warrior is trash, what are you trying to tell me?

[true arch]

would have been so good to have the necrolord banner as an option

[fallen ginkgo]

[hardy fog]

Is Fyralath even that much better % wise than Ashkandi was?

[next spindle]

I don't think that's really necessary. But comparing it with some other classes warrior does feature quite a lot of throughput in its class tree, which makes picking utility feel more awkward than... say in the shaman class tree

So a rework / rebalance of the trees power wouldn't be all too bad I think

Also limits the amount of utility featured in the tree as theres throughput slots taken

[west pagoda]

did they just put a item in the dinar shop? i don't remember that one

or farmable item that drops

[lofty delta]

can just stick utility they want us to take in the way of throughput talents.

[south kayak]

No, u got an item to upgrade the ilvl of your legendary

from the boss that drops it

(fyrakk)

[next spindle]

that's also possible

[odd star]

imo youre misrepresenting the discussion a bit there, bud

[next spindle]

but then there's the big capstone shockwave x)

[true arch]

speaking of the legendary, how much is the cost to craft the stuff nowadays, anyone know?

[lofty delta]

250k ish

[clever escarp]

around 300 k

[south kayak]

300k maybe

[hardy fog]

~250k

[next spindle]

1 token

[lofty delta]

^^^

[south kayak]

so way cheaper than last time

I mean, a few months ago

[magic onyx]

i spend 200k on silvermoon

[lofty delta]

silvermoon doesn't matter, AH is region wide

[south kayak]

Also, I don't have the axe 😦

[true arch]

NA or EU

[south kayak]

Silvermoon is EU

[lofty delta]

^^ that's the question

[next spindle]

does the cost include your sanity or nah?

[odd star]

cant buy wowtoken in brazil if i drop leggo im fucked

[magic onyx]

maybe, someone said they had different prices, during everblooms

[south kayak]

come to brazil

[true arch]

NA has one too

[south kayak]

EU silvermoon is way more popular than NA

[next spindle]

a few weeks (or multiple chars) of doing all gold WQs and you're good

[south kayak]

iirc

[edgy widget]

you know those stats aren't accurate right? Several logs even in the top 10 don't have it

[nova garnet]

[south kayak]

Hi

[errant vessel]

that's a lot of names I recognize from here

[edgy widget]

or rather, they're not inaccurate they're just a misleading aggregate of data

[magic onyx]

i hope you also understand that value of hp buff during prog is bigger then when you full bis

and if your warrior was running without this talent on prog, you probably should replace him

[edgy widget]

I don't know what that has to do with what I just said

but ok go off

nobody said anything about not understanding the value of the talent, what are you even talking about bro?

[clever path]

Or start boosting

easy gold and vault slots

[edgy widget]

like literally nobody said it was a bad talent

what are you harping on

all I said is it didn't have anything like a 100% pick rate

and I literally just proved it

[wild mural]

11

[storm rune]

Are y'all still arguing over which talent was worse? lmfao

[magic onyx]

Yeah, you're not the one who said you didn't need it at all during s3 ptr

[edgy widget]

I'm not arguing anything, he's going off about Inspiring Presences for some fuckin reason

[low folio]

furybringer is mad that season 3 wins the vote

[edgy widget]

Well they removed it, so yeah you didn't need it at all in S3 LOL

you couldn't take it whether you wanted it or not

and why exactly are you tryin to attack me over some shit from S3 PTR?

[grizzled wadi]

On US forums yes, not on EU where S2 is first.

[next spindle]

Is this discussion basically Archi saying "it wasn't picked 100% of the time" and Furybringer saying "so you're saying it's bad"?

i don't get it

[wild mural]

[true arch]

btw, are the votes spec based or class based?

[edgy widget]

yes, but he also said it was taken 100% of the time, which is blatantly not true, and now he's just kinda randomly tryin to attack me over I'm not sure what

[south kayak]

Reminds me of an interview, someone talking about something and then the interviewee is like, so you're saying ... is bad?

[odd star]

spec

[south kayak]

[edgy widget]

Like this guy is tryin really hard to villainize me and... isn't doing a great job of it

[lofty delta]

Mad he's not the one writing the guides...

[tiny notch]

i love it here

[strange briar]

I think he said, its a must have talent during prog, thats diff from taking it 100% of time

[odd star]

they're attacking you over thinking fury is good in m+

[errant vessel]

you talking about the Cathy Newman vs Jordan Peterson interview? xd

[warm swallow]

Imagine thinking they'll pay any attention to the eu forums xD

[next spindle]

Is it? Goooood

[edgy widget]

picking an odd way to do it, bitching about a talent that hasn't existed all season 🙃

[south kayak]

Yes lmao

[low folio]

season 3 playtsyle is more fun to me than season 2 so id prefer season 3 winning personally

[grizzled wadi]

Guess they will aggregate all the votes

[clever path]

no.

[strange briar]

Is this the wowhead guide archimitros?

[summer zephyr]

it is not, the transmog from s2 is winning, the s3 bonuses are winning

[edgy widget]

He didn't say that, but he just posted "proof" which isn't actually proof of his claim - if he wants to make a different claim, that's up to him

[low folio]

raging blow is not as fun as people say

[warm swallow]

I'd like to think they would, but knowing Blizz they won't

[edgy widget]

na that dude's crazy

[lofty delta]

I get that S3 does more damage (which is irrelevant to the vote) but i just prefer Anger management over Annihilator. Feels more fun pressing cd's more xD

[next spindle]

I liked RB and would like to play it in S4 but the S2 set bonus gameplay was so annoying that I'd prefer another BT season.

[edgy widget]

best take we've heard all day, though it says more about the talent selection than the tier itself

[tiny notch]

the must have talent for prog, conveniently something they removed & also you didn’t lose any dmg to get

[warm swallow]

But AM is more fun to a lot of people, thats what they're voting for not the filler spell

[clever path]

AM feels much better in m+

[true arch]

oh shit since ur the one writing the guides i have a genuine question

why is this trinket for prot a no, it seems to have really good uptime when i ran it

[cosmic lance]

AM fury feels better to play, you just have CDs for anything and everything

[true arch]

@edgy widget

[edgy widget]

Idk I don't do shit with prot

[next spindle]

I'd even prefer S1 over S2 purely because of that weird buffed BT S2 brought with it

[low folio]

season 3 is also fun which is why its so contested

[clever path]

trinket is a no for everyone because its stamina stat stick

[grizzled wadi]

Oh shit you're right

[clever path]

instead of str

[subtle lagoon]

He doesn't write prot guides

[true arch]

oh mb dawg, i thought u did all the warrior stuff

[edgy widget]

na only the good stuff

[lofty delta]

😄

[true arch]

yezzir haha

[clever path]

nani

[fleet kettle]

which season did fury had their glory days? did we ever?

[lofty delta]

NaN% *

[magic onyx]

I don't care what other people think of you, but unfortunately at least 50% of your speech is kinda bullshit which calls into question your understanding of the game in its current state
and it can be an issue cause people like you who have a certain influence on other players of this class

[hardy fog]

nan%?

[fleet kettle]

its loading

[grizzled wadi]

Just wait for it to refresh

[edgy widget]

what speech?! I didn't make a speech

[subtle lagoon]

I will also say that AM is more fun in raid too, you had cds to press, without having to wait a minute and a half everytime.

[edgy widget]

dude you're just going OFF about the most random shit

[summer zephyr]

nan = not a number, its buged

[clever path]

cant we all just agree that we need to unite and hate paladins, demon shitters and alike

[true arch]

we were so busted in the azshara raid (i forgot its name)

[clever path]

friendship overall

[magic onyx]

i hate aug

[clever path]

yea fuck aug

[summer zephyr]

aug its like the biggest L of this exp

[edgy widget]

you lost your shit because I said damage was more important than utility

and then you started bitching about inspiring presence (because that's definitely why Fury isn't meta RN!)

now you're talking about speeches? I ain't a politician dude

[lofty delta]

You're not from that region. Same is happening to me for the US forums

[fleet kettle]

Eternal Palace!

[edgy widget]

yep, if you leave the page alone for a minute it should correct itself (or at least it does for me)

[fleet kettle]

but thats expansions ago 😦

[next spindle]

Do we need the Argus Execute video again?

[true arch]

fury warrior in a nutshell LOL

[lofty delta]

That was the absolute shit

[edgy widget]

depends on your definition, it was basically M+ meta or very close to it in S2 before exodia comp

was also very high raid and M+ during Legion

[clever path]

I voted season 2 not because i think its better, but mainly because we already played with season 3 and change is good , even if its reversed back to s2

Afaik S2 some teams had fury for TGP in some dungeons

[true arch]

dont say that, dont remind me of the glory days

[strange briar]

damn I just wanted to get some Fury builds, but this is one toxic discord lol, love it

[edgy widget]

honestly not the worst argument

[clever path]

due to genuinely being the best at 5 target cleave and ST

[sullen dove]

so tru

[edgy widget]

there are plenty of builds linked in the pinned guides, but thanks for your input

[clever path]

unlike S3

[eternal sundial]

None of the winners did

[clever path]

before exodia

and aug release

[edgy widget]

^

[fleet kettle]

Honestly, I like season 3 atm but its not performing on par with other aoe classes, I'm hoping season 3 tierset bonus would be better, but my carpel tunnel would just increase haha

[summer zephyr]

i mean im fine with both s2 and s3 bonuses, but i voted s3 cause i like the nice ST

[next spindle]

I want 99 stack Juggernaut back.

[grizzled wadi]

Exactly. SL S3 + S4 (= one year) with the same bonus tier... felt very boring in the end.

[true arch]

btw u guys are sleeping on the fact that you're letting blizzard get away with less work, instead of a new tier bonus we're recycling the old ones lol

[clever path]

maybe fury pulls ahead of other classes with legendary in ST in m+ but i doubt by enough to make it anywhere near as good as in S2

[ashen swallow]

I preferred s2 in m+ and s3 in raids, I'd be happy with either winning to be honest

[wild mural]

I voted season 2 cause I had more fun playing it

[junior gale]

30 sec reck rav just feels good to me

[clever path]

in the end we are still going to blast just as good as we can'

[edgy widget]

20s OF feels good to me too

[chrome plover]

it's fated season it was never going to be a new one

[wild mural]

Real

[edgy widget]

this

[junior gale]

May we duel with honor on which tier set wins

[hollow elk]

People voting from "feels" when hard numbers show s3 is just superior lol

[sullen dove]

did arch just send an

[chrome plover]

shadowlands it was just season 3 set continued, this is more work for them

[sullen dove]

never before seen

[edgy widget]

they're not even making a new dungeon/raid, you think they're gonna make 30+ new tier sets?

😆

[edgy widget]

tbf SL only had one tier set

[clever path]

it feels good but we still feel like popoo compared to other class short cds

[chrome plover]

well true

[edgy widget]

nerf em

[clever path]

true

[cosmic lance]

I'm fine with fated recycling if it means next xpac isn't dogwater

[errant vessel]

they should make a poll for each spec and let the highest rated reply for each spec be the tier set for that tier

[grizzled wadi]

10 dungeons S4 or not ?

[clever path]

We need to focus on whats important

[errant vessel]

and then tune it because any given community will want to be op

[clever path]

slayer hero talents

leech + execute

= S tier warriors

[hard relic]

I think we can all agree that I should get legendary weapon and mythic signet yes

[sullen dove]

we already do that

[wild mural]

(I thought they might have all 3 tier sets available)

[true arch]

holy fuck we're also gonna have to recraft fyralath probably

[junior gale]

Ima be so mad if Slayer isnt execute focused

[hollow elk]

Still believe they should let people choose at the start of the season what tier they want and then lock em into it for 80% of the season. Watch em squirm for their own choices. Give em a taste of s1 shadowlands

[clever path]

Arms s1 tier set pog

make all builds playable

[true arch]

why wouldnt they add another reason to sell more tokens

[young swan]

u should never be allowed to have opinions ever

[clever path]

yes

[young swan]

i doubt it

just gonna be an upgrade token on the dinar vendor

[hollow elk]

Why? The ppl asking for s1 and s2 get what they want. An inferior build. And s3 ppl get to blast through em for the season lol

[next spindle]

Like they made Hunters refarm the Sylvanas Bow? Wait...

[true arch]

what did they do with that, i never touched hunter

[next spindle]

You just got a token to upgrade your old one from Sylv

[clever path]

they're refarming vault bow 4 sure

[hollow elk]

You still need to get the Lego

[next spindle]

AAAAAAAAAAAa

[cosmic lance]

Were the dinars mythic drop only or heroic?

[sullen dove]

dinars come from just killing any boss

[edgy widget]

they weren't drop, you killed bosses for a weekly currency that turned into dinar

but yeah you could get em anywhere

[sullen dove]

on any difficulty but cant do same boss multiple difficulty

[next spindle]

Don't get Dinars confused with the leg upgrade token tho

Dinars you got from the raid overall

[true arch]

how many dinars was the upgrade, is it a long grind?

[next spindle]

the token was Sylv at any level I believe

[sullen dove]

from what i remember from the hunter in my guild you bought the legendary upgrade with a dinar

[edgy widget]

yeah dinar was a weekly quest, basically, so you couldn't just farm them all in one go

[sullen dove]

like the dinar brings it to fated item level, much like you use a dinar to buy a fated weapon

[junior gale]

wasnt dinar like gated by 3 weeks then 2 then 1

[sullen dove]

and then you had to use the mythic upgrade on the fated legendary bow

[cosmic lance]

Yeah thats what i was getting at, you need the dinars to buy the upgrade token

[next spindle]

Really? I thought they were separate

[edgy widget]

yeah something like that

[lofty delta]

everything shadowlands was gated

[edgy widget]

he's saying the legendary upgrade token will probably be bought with dinar
during SL there was also an upgrade token you got to upgrade gear from N->H->M

just using the same terminology here

[hollow elk]

Dinar system should be baseline every season. Bad luck protection and all

[clever path]

still is

hope you never come to try getting all the covenant transmogs

or fucking sepulcher transmogs

[sullen dove]

so you need to HAVE the legendary already, then buy the fated upgrade with a "dinar", then upgrade that fated version to mythic equivalent maybe? with a mythic boost? tho it might just already be set at mythic endboss ilvl