fury

[covert blaze]

yeah last time i had this conversation i almsot got kicked from here

[modest condor]

assuming you're properly itemized, bis trinkets and legendary

[hasty path]

Something something SMF transmog

[rigid stirrup]

Exactly

[modest condor]

without legendary probably another 10k or so lower

[covert blaze]

that was after

[iron portal]

But!... Doesnt make it right every time

[supple laurel]

okay, sounds good. I think I'd be missing 5-10k ish

simming shows 217k and I'd hit around 207 - prob skill issue atm

[atomic nymph]

You're prob right, my assumption is skewed by me having legendary at 480

[rigid stirrup]

For sure but when you try to silence people you're just gonna wanna make them do the opposite

[modest condor]

do you have a windfury totem

[rotund steppe]

now hes flexing

[zealous ingot]

is legendary drops from hc and m?

[oblique trail]

It can drop from any difficulty

[supple laurel]

can be from normal too no?

[zealous ingot]

never saw at normal

[supple laurel]

just more rare

[errant vessel]

Are you guys 100% sure SQW gets overwritten? Because then I might just increase it again

[zealous ingot]

really

is it personal loot?

[oblique trail]

Yes and yes

I've seen from all three difficulties by now

[zealous ingot]

;/

since im low i farming at lfr and nm yet

for a month

[covert blaze]

yes

[supple laurel]

lets say you're doing Volc, these talents seem good?

[oblique trail]

Remove slaughtering and pick massacre

[eternal sundial]

talent out of rally to not have it assigned in cringe spots 🧠

[supple laurel]

ahaha

[eternal sundial]

i have rally assigned 12 secs in and dont press it

[rigid stirrup]

same

[iron portal]

👋

[oblique trail]

👋

[meager gyro]

Someone say SMF

[lapis lion]

transmog

breath of sindragosa is a bad talent

[rigid stirrup]

my brain is too dumb to understand how to keep the uptime because my shit always fell off randomly even though I didn't run out of runic power or whatever meter it used for uptiem

[supple laurel]

Can we take best % from warcraft logs as an indication an individual is doing good?

[covert blaze]

you probably used frost strike during bos or smth

AMS

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[ember apex]

shell

the green bubble

[covert blaze]

it's shell not zone

[fluid cedar]

Carlo has been redeemed?

[rigid stirrup]

I remember keeping fs away from my main keybinds while trying breathe but maybe you're right

They just need to make d&d an aura and frost DK will be fun

[covert blaze]

huh

AMS literally gives you runic power

i got CE playing dk

i know what AMZ is

[fallen quest]

Both of them grant runic power

Both of them extend

[covert blaze]

then that is new this expansion

AMS gives you runic power

it's been like that forever

[fallen quest]

Both do

Both talents

[ember apex]

amz = anti magic zone
ams = anti magic shell

zone is purple area
shell is green personal bubble

[covert blaze]

[ember apex]

thats what im saying we just need to mod u

[modest condor]

the path to warrior?

[covert blaze]

you didnt even know AMS gives runic power from what youre saying

[crimson briar]

LOL

[iron portal]

Touché

[ember apex]

ams = anti magic shell

[covert blaze]

okay buddy

let's change the subject

[ember apex]

amz = anti magic zone

[fluid cedar]

Why do you use zone for rotation but not shell

[iron portal]

Here have a 🍪

[fluid cedar]

To extend

[ember apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ridewrem-gif-24456878

[fallen quest]

You use everything you can to extend because the spec was designed in 1999

[mild kraken]

Is this a DK discord?

[covert blaze]

clearly not

[ember apex]

1999 = year before the turn of the millenium 2000

[rigid stirrup]

only on mondays

[crimson briar]

no shot you dont use AMS for gen when needed

lmao

[ember apex]

ams = anti magic shell

[crimson briar]

thanks big man

[covert blaze]

right? lol

[iron portal]

[fallen quest]

Anti magic slug

[ember apex]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[crimson briar]

specially if AMZ is assigned in note

[fluid cedar]

You just wasted all that time, for what? It’s a warrior fury channel and you’re sitting on here doing this?

[unreal onyx]

ams = anti-modern society

[crimson briar]

hey man whats there to talk about fury gotta branch out on occasion

[earnest galleon]

return to monke

[covert blaze]

🍝

[fluid cedar]

[unreal onyx]

2 more 20s for full disappointment in 2 days

[rigid stirrup]

can we get a poll

I wann see how many NA vs EU frogs there aer

[unreal onyx]

68% EU 32% NA

[covert blaze]

im not even gonna entertain someone that discusses a spec they dont know shit about

[ember apex]

just link ur logs to shut him up

thats what i would do

[unreal onyx]

tell em

[sleek nexus]

wouldn't this we favored depending on time zone

[covert blaze]

ah yes

insult my mom too

[rigid stirrup]

uhh not with overall users

online yeah maybe

oh if I did a poll

[rigid stirrup]

I mean if I did it now it would prob be fine

both time zones are still up

[iron portal]

I feel like you have some chip on your shoulder Drax

[ember apex]

anti magic time zone?

[wicked plinth]

Guys I don’t see ams or amz in my spell book or talent tree?? Are these hero talents?

[red yew]

[crimson briar]

idk man on wowhead mr Khazak shows a clear graph using like 4 AMS :^3

[ember apex]

just link it...?

[red yew]

Wtf rank 986 is 95th percentile?

I guess Nathria was poppin

[edgy widget]

idk what this means, but you need to stop making weirdly aggressive and not-always-so vaguely sexist/racist/or otherwise -ific remarks like this

[sleek nexus]

this could be anyone

[red yew]

Oh nvm yeah Unholy was goated that tier too

[covert blaze]

im on my fucking phone hold on

[unreal onyx]

🤓 akchually, he said frost DK

that is uh

[covert blaze]

no

[summer quail]

uhdk was insanely good in cn. fotm spec as well

[covert blaze]

i quit for like half the tier

[edgy widget]

and this is the Warrior discord, who gives a damn about DKs

trash class

[unreal onyx]

real

[rigid stirrup]

based

[quartz prawn]

Mood

[sleek nexus]

Based Chad

[ember apex]

he's not based. look at his previous comment

[covert blaze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/zhaidk?zone=29#zone=26

[jolly mist]

[covert blaze]

imagine not knowing AMS gives rp

[crimson briar]

Im straight BARKIN rn

[covert blaze]

and wanting to be right about it lol

yeah mute me you have 0 arguments

[edgy widget]

this is why we can't have nice things

[dull sierra]

[oblique trail]

smile cat sticker

[clever path]

[ember apex]

muting = admitting u lost which is weird b/c i think drax was winning

[edgy widget]

they both lost

[unreal onyx]

ripbozo

[crimson briar]

they lost when they picked up dk man

[ember apex]

if u start an argument w/ someone and u end up muting them u admit u lost

[covert blaze]

I literally said move on and the guy keeps insult me

[red yew]

But that's what it says in the pic

[edgy widget]

I don't think you know who you're talking to or about

[ember apex]

zhai and drax

[edgy widget]

because neither of them muted anyone, I muted them (and then unmuted, because I'm nice like that)

And I didn't start the argument so...

[wicked plinth]

Careful @clever path Archie will out you in time out

[edgy widget]

I already did

[wicked plinth]

Oh I know. I remember ❄️

[edgy widget]

also yall can chill with the peanut gallery comments

[ember apex]

i thought he meant he would mute him as in right click ignore or whatever

not u

thats different

[edgy widget]

the whole point was to put a stop to their little lovers quarrel, not to invite four other people to start their own

[rigid stirrup]

its just the mondays archi

[edgy widget]

so how about we move on

[unreal onyx]

fury drama keeps the server going

/s

[rigid stirrup]

It definatly keeps the mute/ban buttons from getting dusty

[ember apex]

anyone here on tindral prog

the other warrior is my guild is running arms for this

[dull sierra]

we're running 2 fury

[barren dagger]

Bottom dps so we need something else going on

[dull sierra]

whyd you ask @ember apex ?

[covert blaze]

I misunderstood what you said mb

[ember apex]

b/c i was gonna say who should do p1 feather

[summer quail]

[unreal onyx]

there propably is a reason 200 furys killed it

[rigid stirrup]

[unreal onyx]

compared to literally 1 arms

[ember apex]

he's an arms player

so

idk what to tell u

hes not playing fury

the last boss i played arms on

[dull sierra]

warrior should do 2nd feather

[ember apex]

was sylvanas

[unreal onyx]

if you kill it as arms he's gonna have a sick R1 or R2 log

[ember apex]

me and him are both on the same feather group

well we just started prog last week

so

[ember apex]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[eternal sundial]

do not look at vdh damage

[unreal onyx]

185k as "best" arms vs 300k R1 fury

[crimson briar]

185k as only arms no? lmao

[unreal onyx]

yes

[clever belfry]

public log yep

[crimson briar]

just you wait Im sure someone cracks 190k

[unreal onyx]

I don't think there are that many private logged arms kills

but I could be wrong

[crimson briar]

nah man theres a whole underground ring of private arms logs for last 2 bosses rn

[ember apex]

underground ring of private arms logs

[clever path]

Iykyk

[ember apex]

[eternal sundial]

tmy has one for ex

[clever belfry]

i know of atleast 2 beating that

[eternal sundial]

tbf she did play full st

[unreal onyx]

so 3

4 total known then

[rigid stirrup]

tswift proggers, are yall holding roar at all for roots after first set - like if they're within a 10 second window of being able to interact

[unreal onyx]

vs 200 public alone fury

[clever belfry]

arms is just worse than fury on that fight 🤷‍♂️

[eternal sundial]

timers never change its a yes or no not a maybe for stuff like that

[ember apex]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-fury/tindral-sageswift-seer-of-the-flame

filter for Thunderous Roar

[rigid stirrup]

thx bb

[ember apex]

😉

[covert blaze]

you could cut that sentence short

[left perch]

arms is just worse

[clever belfry]

arms is better on council real

[modest condor]

when you find out the rank 1 on council is fury

[covert blaze]

the heck

[rigid stirrup]

I would love to see that vod

[dawn pivot]

when is the end of the season?

[rigid stirrup]

no one knows yet abba

probably mayish

[modest condor]

im sure arms would look better if more people played it

[iron portal]

Is that how beauty works?

[covert blaze]

how long is a tier usually these days

like 6 months?

[rigid stirrup]

Around there I think

[jolly mist]

[oblique trail]

He got PI so disqualify him

[mortal warren]

hello im maining arms im just trying out furry in m + and raid but my dmg seems not rly high feels like i could do allot more isnt the thing to spam rampage and bloodbath after as much as can with ody's furry on cd with recklessness and ava

am i missing something ?

[still swift]

fury*

dont play a vulpera

[mortal warren]

my mastery is like 47% not sure if thats to low

[still swift]

have u pressed whirlwind

[oblique trail]

In essence yes that's more or less what you want to do

[still swift]

otherwise ur rampage bloodthirst wont hit a lot (of targets)

[edgy widget]

pretty much all cds are used on roots or tindral shield

there's not much point to using them on tindral directly, outside of any final burn

[oblique trail]

What's your opener like, and what priority are you following in ST/AoE

[brittle snow]

Whats the go to stats for fury in M+?

[ember apex]

im in berserker stance

[odd star]

there is a rotation page in wowhead and icyveins

[brittle snow]

Haste mastery?

[ember apex]

you need to sim ur upgrades

[oblique trail]

Whatever sims best for you in ST really

It's basically equally as good in M+, with the exception of crit being slightly more valuable in AoE but not by so much as for you to gear around it

[past pivot]

Mastery and it depends on your gear. All secondaries are in play, especially for burst.

[odd star]

sim it. but haste is usually not something you want a lot

[brittle snow]

I see

Ive got quite a bit of mastery

Im 458 ilvl

[oblique trail]

At that ilvl don't think about it

And just keep gearing

[odd star]

dont worry too much about stats then

[ember apex]

yeah just acquire ilvl

[odd star]

youre still gearing up

[frank dawn]

but even when your ilvl gets higher the other advice still applies, usually just follow your ST sim

stat difference isn't big enough between the two to worry much about it

[odd star]

in my current sims haste is very bad, but thats because i have way too much haste

everytime i swap out of haste im gaining

[frank dawn]

well sure, but between ST and AoE I'm sure your results are similar

was more the point

[odd star]

oh now i see

i misunderstood what you meant

[jolly mist]

so if im reading correctly we dont want to macro might to avatar correct?

[brittle snow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4XpwwEkyxAKLVjchz3SUgT

this me

[jolly mist]

we just pop it after first rampage?

[gilded pawn]

macro stuff to reck

[jolly mist]

ic

[oblique trail]

You want it before OF in your opener

Thats about it

[covert blaze]

correct

[flat river]

Ok but listen guys

[robust widget]

GalaStronk still overcooking?

[unreal onyx]

with the theories he's up to

the only thing he's cooking is cra**

sry if that was rude

[barren dagger]

so on the spell queue window, verdict is keep it at 400? My ms is basically 25

[robust widget]

ive set mine to 120 with 20ish ms and it feels pretty smooth, it removed my double rampages during burst with lust, but preferance i'd say

[brittle snow]

Fury is doin better then arms right?

[sullen dove]

yea

[brittle snow]

Gotcha

[sullen dove]

it’s not like a wild diff tho if u want to play arms in more relaxed content

[unreal onyx]

I read online to set your spellqueue to 100+your ping

[sand crest]

for keys the answer is pretty much always yes

[sullen dove]

Only place I’d rly say you’re trolling playing arms is like last 2 maybe 3 bosses of mythic and higher keys

but like any spec can chill in weekly 20’s or something if that’s what you’re wonderin

[unreal onyx]

people that say that they need specific classes for 20s

have invalid opinions

[sullen dove]

[unreal onyx]

the amount of times I saw people looking for specific classes in 18s-20s is ridiculous

[robust widget]

18 AD looking for aug and DH Chatting

[sullen dove]

AUG MAGE SPRIEST WEEKLY 16

[storm rune]

My last mythic Gnarlroot kill we had 4 people parse 0 and 1s, technically all those slots could have been arms warriors

and we'd still clear it

[unreal onyx]

first 4-5 bosses on myth are easy clears nowadays

can propably 16-man them if you play right

[storm rune]

Exactly

[brittle snow]

in the final raid?

[unreal onyx]

final raid?

in amirdrassil

[errant vessel]

Final raid of shadowlands

[unreal onyx]

sepulcher?

[ember apex]

whose excited to do fated amirdrassil to farm leggo again but on 1 raid ilvl bracket higher

[unreal onyx]

I hope we can buy it with dinar

[errant vessel]

We’ll prob have to upgrade it only

[unreal onyx]

like hunters could in SL

[covert blaze]

I heard that tier was dog

[barren dagger]

inb4 its irrelevant last patch. is that a possibility?

[ember apex]

what was the hunter one?

[storm rune]

lol fated raids, I sleep

[ember apex]

i thought that was just an epic item

[unreal onyx]

I only started wow with SL and sepulcher was the worst raid i played so far

[unreal onyx]

the sylvanas bow

idk tbh

[ember apex]

fated raids, made every single raid boss better

[unreal onyx]

I thought it was legendary

[errant vessel]

Sepulcher was soulless I feel

Castle Nathria was goated

[sand crest]

250k ish gold and a long ass boring quest all for a weapon thats not even close to being as strong as gavel

[steep fable]

Only sounds awesome if we have our throughput nerfed 10% assuming we all get the 0.001% drop.
Sounds amazing, sign me up

[errant vessel]

And I never set foot in Sanctum

[sand crest]

sepuclher > amirdrassil

[covert blaze]

worst tier ever made lol

[unreal onyx]

it was legendary

[ember apex]

u needed to do sanctum if nothing else for transmog

[errant vessel]

Didn’t even kill Tarragrue because I hated Torghast that much

[timid notch]

hi guys.i swapped my hero this season and rn im thinking about gearing my warry again as an alt.can u tell me some about changes.st dps aoe dps rotation pace arms or fury etc...:D

[errant vessel]

No just buy Shadowghast gear

[ember apex]

i loved torghast

yeah now

[modest condor]

terragrue worst first boss just because you had to clear all the trash to get your anima powers every time

[ember apex]

but back then

you didnt need to clear all trash

just specific trash for anima buffs

[errant vessel]

That’s what scared me away from the entire raid tbf

[ember apex]

and even less trash if u didnt want anima powers

[covert blaze]

domination sockets great system

[robust widget]

Korthia was so good as a collector

[errant vessel]

I thought that was a theme throughout the whole thing

[ember apex]

domination sockets did suck

but the unholy effect visually was dope

looked like shadowmourne

agree

[unreal onyx]

maw was giga aids when you couldn't mount up

druids on top

[golden inlet]

I think the maw would've been cool if it wasn't just such a chore all the time

and indeed the mounting up took way too long before we were allowed to

[ember apex]

DF was good b/c u could just hit max level and start doing content and u were gucci

no need to grind out anything

but i still liked torrghast

[robust widget]

grinding out all 4 covenants

[ember apex]

i did that when they removed limit

[golden inlet]

Ye Shadowlands I stopped after the second raid. But DF even though the patches were still a bit long I did come back everyt ime

[ember apex]

i had already maxed venthyr and kyrian at that point

[golden inlet]

Is that gone now? As in you can just switch whenevr?

[unreal onyx]

when Venthyr was best for the first 3 weeks

[ember apex]

i wish they had made necrolord warrior stronger

[unreal onyx]

and then you had to grind it all over again for kyrian

[ember apex]

yeah 9.1.5 removed it

[golden inlet]

Oh lol

thanks

Never knew I just stuck to the faery one forgot the name

[ember apex]

night fae

[golden inlet]

that one

[robust widget]

lowkey loved night fae ability in m+

[ember apex]

ancient aftershocks

[past pivot]

Korthia and most of shadowlands content has the basic issue that you had to grind all the content till your eyes bled. Took away any fun factor from it. God forbid also doing it on alts.

[golden inlet]

I loved the shockwave kind of ability

ye

[unreal onyx]

AA was sick

[ember apex]

its basically monk faeline stomp

i do wish the necro banner was buffed

[flat river]

Nah i gave up on RB build

[winter agate]

what's the word on lariat if you have max sockets

[flat river]

Now i have a new one

[robust widget]

necro banner is the reason augvoker exists was a tryout

[clever path]

Sim

But prlly better in aoe

[young swan]

pretty fuck good

[frank dawn]

Lariat usually starts to be quite good if you have 5-6 or more sockets

[flat river]

So lets say, we don't take reckless abandon

Or the thing below

[frank dawn]

yikes

[flat river]

And take onslaught instead

[young swan]

why would we say that

[frank dawn]

0/10

would not do

[flat river]

Too afraid to try to

Life is about taking chances

[young swan]

do what u want

i will not endorse that talent swap

[flat river]

Trust

[young swan]

no

[flat river]

It will catch on

[robust widget]

after your RB build overcooking im not trusting

[young swan]

theres already a build that runs am + rav

[covert blaze]

this again

[errant vessel]

I racechanged to worgen just to mount in the maw :’)

Then it became useless 2 months later

[unreal onyx]

-15

[young swan]

AGAIN

[robust widget]

yeah xan

[flat river]

And instead of talenting into fury warrior we talent into arms

[barren dagger]

is it worth removing a point of swift strikes for critical thinking on ST?

[odd star]

i liked venthyr so much i just swapped to warlock

[past pivot]

You should have been around back in Black Temple prog days when people made a DW Arms build work. That’s when blizz made OH for shields only.

[covert blaze]

yeah...

[flat river]

Ok but it almost worked

[robust widget]

"almost"

[flat river]

Look my cooking works

I just overcooked a lil

[past pivot]

I don’t think it had heat actually.

[proud vessel]

Is it not possible to catalyst your neck?

[rigid stirrup]

nope

[proud vessel]

rip

[golden inlet]

Okay so maybe it's just me but ever since last wednesday my rotation felt so.. clunky/laggy

I have the same haste

but feels so weird and it's odd because I like to use visual queues of my rotation to keep up

Am I the only one or do multiple people have this?

[edgy widget]

sounds like lag tolerance

though there's no reason that should have changed overnight (most people have it at default anyway)

[golden inlet]

Hmm I hadn't played a lot but I don't remember it being this 'bad'

any way I can change it?

[left perch]

god your ms is like 1/5th of mine haha

[edgy widget]

Aside from actual lag (which is pretty evident when it happens), lag tolerance is almost always the culprit of a rotation feeling "spongey" and non-reactive

[golden inlet]

Haha living in Amsterdam has perks

[proud vessel]

I had the same lowered my spellqueue window and it feels alot better now

[edgy widget]

put /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") into the chat window and see what it returns - it should almost certainly say 400, if you haven't fucked with it before

[proud vessel]

Utrecht even better xD

[covert blaze]

blud playing on blizzard's basement

[golden inlet]

Haha true, the servers are in Hilversum

[proud vessel]

Dutch internet

yup

[left perch]

my fault living in the middle of the woods playing on Starlink lol

[covert blaze]

200 ms gang

[proud vessel]

Is it possible to restore a catalyst items?

[edgy widget]

to change it, put this command into chat /console SpellQueueWindow ### where ### = a number in miliseconds
The general guideline is your average latency + 100, though I highly recommend going no lower than 150; e.g.
/console SpellQueueWindow 150

[proud vessel]

I ran a sim with neck and belt catalysted but found out neck is not possible only after i already did my belt 😦

[proud vessel]

xD

[golden inlet]

Okay I typed this in chat with 150 gonna check on a dummy

[edgy widget]

and then go hit something

it should pretty immediately feel more reactive, because you're now playing much closer to the GCD than before (0.15s away, rather than 0.4s away)

just remember that lower is not universally better, there are actual downsides to setting it too low

[golden inlet]

it kinda feels like maybe there's too much time inbetween now is that possible? I remember my rotation being much faster

[edgy widget]

Not really sure what you mean by that

I mean enrage is a thing, obviously, since it gives you haste

[golden inlet]

Yeah It's hard to explain I suppose. It's almost like input lag but this definitely feels better already

[unreal onyx]

rotation-wist it's not as ADHD as S2

[proud vessel]

i miss that feel like im haste starved

[edgy widget]

lag tolerance basically allows you to play ahead of the rotation, which is why you press a button and then half a second later that button goes off - you're literally queuing actions ahead of time to eliminate the delay of latency (the time it takes for your computer to talk to the server, and vice versa, which is affected by lag)

[golden inlet]

I did get diagnosed like 5 days ago

[edgy widget]

that's why very fast and reactive rotations (like instant-based melee classes) can feel kinda 'spongey"

if you're having some other issue making things feel indescribably "slow", then it's hard to say without seeing what you're seeing - would recommend you try actually measuring your time between keystrokes/GCDs to see if there's some kind of deviance caused by hardware (unlikely) or software (addons/was - also not likely, but somewhat more plausible)

[golden inlet]

Yeah it used to be almost seemless, but it seems like there's some lag like you say it being spongey, I'll check some stuff around

[edgy widget]

Start with the classic approach - turn off all your addons and see if you can replicate

[meager gyro]

You want to feel spongey try fire mage with wrong spell queue window 💀

[edgy widget]

hard casters benefit from increased spell queues a lot more than melee, so they typically don't feel default as much

but instant driven specs tend to feel it very hard, feels like tryin to move through molasses

[calm mantle]

Does allied wristguard recraft require another centuar neck?

Or only on first craft?

[covert blaze]

first craft only im pretty sure

[golden inlet]

Thanks btw! It seems like for some reason my USB slot maybe has some issues, I'm now using a different slot and it actually seems to be reacting faster again. (When I wfh I interchange my keyboard to my work laptop and back) maybe something went wrong there.

Do have to note Valdrakken in general is a bit laggy but It seems to react faster now.

[flat river]

I have renamed myself appropriately

[edgy widget]

that's very interesting; hardware issues like that are rare but not completely unheard of

[sharp kraken]

is there any Fury Warrior streamers / youtube channels you all would recommend to follow

[gilded pawn]

biz

[storm rune]

Depends, do you like loud angry men who rage harder than a 13 y/o playing fortnite?

[icy panther]

thats my favorite

[sharp kraken]

lol are there any do not sound like roid head losing their shit or a chipmunk?

[pulsar prawn]

smolderon mythic loot be like:

[sudden tusk]

our first 2 kills he dropped warglaives x2

[storm rune]

Illidan confirmed next xpac?

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/wow4-warcraft-illidan-gif-20757144

[sudden tusk]

when the tuesday fyrakk rolls around

[flat river]

I like Illidan though

[covert blaze]

literally me

[unreal onyx]

13:50min AD 20

speedrun any%

[ember apex]

what a cracked character name

the DH

[unreal onyx]

russians be like

[ember apex]

oh he pasted some shit in the details nickname section

i forgot u could do that

he didnt actually name his character all those squares

[unreal onyx]

DK also had leggo

but his did 11.4% overall

how can I improve mine

[ember apex]

stack more vers

[unreal onyx]

mine was only 7.1%

[ember apex]

yeah its gonna be like that

[unreal onyx]

im at 28% with flask without druid buff

[ember apex]

vers is a global dmg increase stat so its gonna be OP for trinkets and shit

like bDK gets more signet value than furyWarr

even other tank specs

[unreal onyx]

make vers bis

13:50 for a 20 AD was pretty damn fast

[past pivot]

What trinkets do you run @unreal onyx ? Consider swapping one out for an Ember. Static vers + mainstat.

[unreal onyx]

we could've gone down to 13:30 if the DK didn't fuck his route

[molten relic]

Y’all leggos prob did same damage

But it’s a higher % of his

Because he did less overall

[unreal onyx]

augury + might

?

ofc

2H str

[molten relic]

Wut

Dks can’t even use shields

[modest condor]

not with that mindset

[molten relic]

[unreal onyx]

are there any leaderboards for fast key times?

[past pivot]

If you can get an Ember, play around with it. Might not replace Augury but could give Might a run for its money with leggo equipped

[unreal onyx]

might try to go for some good scores with guildies

[unreal onyx]

actually a good point

• silence

[edgy widget]

don't use it at the same time as his, and always refresh your marks first if you think you're going to

[unreal onyx]

but the dots of the leggo are separate for each person right?

like he applies his and I mine

[edgy widget]

the dots are

[unreal onyx]

so I can't consume his dots

[edgy widget]

but there's a very little known bug where any use of the lego consumes all marks from all players

you don't get a damage amp from other people's marks, but it still consumes them

[unreal onyx]

that's funny

but silly

[edgy widget]

meaning if you both try to use the lego at the same time, one person will get their expected amp and the other person won't get any amp

[gilded pawn]

its a higher % of his damage

because he is a tank

that is also a part of it

10k damage is 10% of 100k

[unreal onyx]

mine did 12.23mil, his did 10.58mil

[edgy widget]

it's very obscure and basically nobody knows about it; there just aren't that many legos floating around yet for it to be widespread

[gilded pawn]

but 5% of 200k

so it may be doing less % of your damage that doesnt mean its doing less as you saw

[edgy widget]

this is also a good point - comparing % between two very different classes/specs/roles is meaningless

you wanna look at raw damage

[molten relic]

So yours did more but less %

[gilded pawn]

which makes complete sense because hes a dps

[molten relic]

Which is expected since he’s a worse class for applying

And also bc he’s a tank

[gilded pawn]

applying is fine

[final birch]

actually surprising his did less I guess

[gilded pawn]

death strike is 5t in dnd

[molten relic]

So same damage higher % for him

[final birch]

bc of bloodshot

[unreal onyx]

surprised my biggest crit is higher than his

[gilded pawn]

just like ww cleave

[unreal onyx]

although he propably has more vers

[molten relic]

Did they fix the dnd cleave application

[final birch]

unless lego doesnt count as physical damage

[molten relic]

Last I checked it didn’t apply on dnd cleaves

[edgy widget]

Yeah only Frost really has a problem applying it in MT

Blood is fine, it's like a two-step but still quick

[unreal onyx]

my leggo did more dmg on avg than his

does bdk not stack vers?

[final birch]

no

bdk is all stats equal

but some people (myself included) prefer to stack haste/mast

because it's more fun to play

[unreal onyx]

ahh ok then it kinda makes sense

im 28% vers without druid buff

[edgy widget]

could be vers, could be less marks, could be bug, could be all sorts of things

look at a log if you wanna know in detail

[molten relic]

Lotta them running crit haste if they have augury too

[final birch]

crit because it's good in aoe

but generally haste is most prefered stat

[unreal onyx]

unfortunately I don't log keys

in this instance I would be kinda interested to see

[molten relic]

But also one or two funneled crits

[unreal onyx]

since there is not toooooooooooooooooooooooo much info on the leggo in keys out / discovered yet

I think

[molten relic]

Basically makes up that 2m difference

[final birch]

I mean for example ret doesnt want to press leggo in 6 or 7t+ I heard

because it's a dps loss

unless as a downtime filler

[unreal onyx]

my fyralath did 28% crit, his did 37%

[molten relic]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean his on use Crit

That final hit critting for 500k

[unreal onyx]

can't say how often it did

[hushed gust]

Speaking of Fyralath, just- in a white room no mechanics, do care about the channel at all?

[unreal onyx]

but both crit at least once

[unreal onyx]

pins

[molten relic]

Hard to compare tbh but it’s probably like Saurid diff

For dots or something

Since u just ww and go

And he gotta cleave shit

With heart strikes

[gilded pawn]

just call it variance

[molten relic]

Leggo has grown on me

Died a few times due to channel

And laughed everytime

[unreal onyx]

channel sometimes really fucks up

also I jump immediately on-use

but does the dmg go out when the channel is done?

[molten relic]

The final hit

Yes

[unreal onyx]

and do the mobs still have to be in front of me

[molten relic]

U can move

And turn

But ur main target can’t be dead

[unreal onyx]

bc tank pulled them away from me twice in that key

[molten relic]

Or it just stops channeling

Yes

If they go out of range uou don’t hit

But you can take one step when channel is done to aim the final hit

Tho the channel does turn and follow ur target from what I’ve experienced

[ember apex]

theres no way to cancel it

ive found

[unreal onyx]

dying is

[molten relic]

If ur target dies it stops

[ember apex]

yeah i was gonna say

[molten relic]

And if you die it stops

If you get stunned it keeps channeling

[ember apex]

i accidentally fat fingered it on heroic smolderon and died

[molten relic]

Skill issue

[delicate girder]

I had the same experience on Wednesday. Told a friend during a key that it feels weird, not the "same" as usual. so kind of slower or with more downtimes between the actions.

[deft lance]

Is Siggy B out performing aug for you guys in keys? Im confused by the amount of signet brand and might of the ocean im seeing as opposed to aug and might

aug does significantly more damage for me in my keys then signet

[gilded pawn]

signet requires chain pulling to abuse

[molten relic]

Aug is rarer than signet brand

That’s prob why the amount is different

Aug is better in keys

Yes

[deft lance]

like thats my 24 atal

[slim coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aj1dTJQEMjrgNtbouCgzeu

[molten relic]

But almost every dungeon has forced points where you drop stacks

[slim coral]

So close to hitting 230k natty

[past pivot]

Augury and might are bis for m+. Not everyone has an augury. And lots of people are confused and think st-centric trinkets like signet and Rezan are for m+.

[oblique trail]

This is a very clear case of you dropping stacks

In my AD runs where I've had 100% uptime it's roughly 5% of my damage

[gilded pawn]

if the entire dungeon is done in 1 pull

signet is bis

theres a detailed wowhead guide on how to abuse signet

with toys

[deft lance]

Ill run aug and might then

[molten relic]

You can still drop stacks

[warm crag]

i checked your sim theres a very simple adjustment you can make to surpass 230k dps

[deft lance]

Im not opposed to cheesing signet brand, I played arms last season with anvil and keeping that going through a whole dungeon was np, even with being mindful of having to hit itin between pulls

[slim coral]

whats that

[oblique trail]

Imagine abusing Crit flask for sims and you're not even 230k

[proud vessel]

What would you guys run in M+? Might + Crab/signet?

[warm crag]

ill post the sim in a sec

[slim coral]

Shadowflame?

[warm crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h8Z3Ln6bF7CVCLY7XfTquu

[oblique trail]

Might + Crab

If those are your only options

[molten relic]

Aug and night is good

[oblique trail]

Otherwise Might + Augury/Ember

[slim coral]

that's not natty though

[molten relic]

I do wanna try Aug and ember

[proud vessel]

Or rezan lol

[oblique trail]

Nah wouldn't run Rezan

[warm crag]

also stop simming corrupting rage you dolt

[proud vessel]

Ember also good in M+? Dont have it

[molten relic]

Rezans is only ever gonna be like 2%

[warm crag]

try different food options

[molten relic]

Yes ember is good

[oblique trail]

Ember is just a really good stat stick

[warm crag]

vers+mast probably sims higher for u

[molten relic]

Just perma 3% damage from verse

Plus primary stat

[slim coral]

I don't use corrupting rage lets see if I use verse on sim

[jovial coral]

Ember??? Greater ember of...

[molten relic]

Ember of nullification

You trade all ur blp for a silence

[proud vessel]

You dont use rage in M+? It sims highest?

[molten relic]

I use tepid verse in all content

[proud vessel]

I did but rage sims alot higher for me

[slim coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s1fVrRKkbE7ekNv5Jk2xy9

I lost 6k

using verse

[proud vessel]

And with critcake talents you have more survivability

So no need for vers

[molten relic]

Rage sims higher yes

[gilded pawn]

its not about survival

[warm crag]

@clever belfry

[molten relic]

But there’s a lotta bullshit in keys

[gilded pawn]

that vers is not much survival

its about uptime of rage

[molten relic]

That makes u drop ur crit flask

[gilded pawn]

yeah

[past pivot]

Augury + Might. Alternatives would be Crab, Ember, Pips, Gore, Mirror, Signet if stacks can be kept up/spiteful.

[warm crag]

if you are playing corrupting rage in any group content you are trolling your group

[proud vessel]

My uptime is about 75% thats ehat i also use in my sims

[molten relic]

Just depends on the key I guess

In 20s it prob doesn’t matter

[clever belfry]

hi

what

im not reading context

[molten relic]

In 25s when one cast does 700k

You prob wouldn’t wanna run rage flask

[proud vessel]

Makes sense yeah

[sleek nexus]

Warrior meta comming

[warm crag]

what else are you optimizing for

[proud vessel]

Ill swap back to vers yhen

[unreal onyx]

2 slots that are not filled by warrior

[proud vessel]

What runes/food do your sims tell you to use with vers pot?

[clever belfry]

outside of rot bosses its usually fine to play corrupted rage
but realisitically u play vers flask VERY rarely swapping to icy pres on really high keys

[molten relic]

Seen a ww do 300k in a 17 atal tho

[proud vessel]

Mine will 100%be crit lol

[iron portal]

Wake me up when there will be 5 warriors on that pic

[molten relic]

I always use prim star food

[clever belfry]

holy shid dood!!!!

[iron portal]

👀

[past pivot]

There are like 7 trinkets better than Rezan’s for M+. Save it for ST for short fights when Signet won’t work as well.

[sleek nexus]

will do 😛

[molten relic]

And I run mastery runes

[warm crag]

does it sim highest?

[molten relic]

But I didn’t sim to see what I actually should run

[wanton mirage]

How much % Augury does in keys usually?

[unreal onyx]

mine says vers/mast food

[proud vessel]

Thanks ill run some sims

[warm crag]

yeah thats what i said

[unreal onyx]

just now mine did 5%, I've had keys with it up to 10%

[proud vessel]

How much crit do you have?

[unreal onyx]

me?

29%

[proud vessel]

Thanks

Yeah i have 30 with rage pot lol

[unreal onyx]

nm augury that is

[wanton mirage]

It really is busted.

[storm rune]

Dude how do you have that much crit, I'm sitting at 19% unbuffed

[unreal onyx]

hc only sims 700DPS higher than nm

[unreal onyx]

robot says so

also augury + might are crit only trinkets

[storm rune]

That robot be trippin

[unreal onyx]

I do

[proud vessel]

Im at 30% crit with rage 25% haste 60% mastery and 20% vers
Ish

[unreal onyx]

but augury + might for m+

rezan + might for ST

[molten relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fP98BRU4FyXbMsgK3iAnNo

M+ talents and trinkets

[unreal onyx]

(I don't actually use my myth track rezans for ST, I still use aug bc it feels better)

[molten relic]

Not on pc so can’t change shit

[slim coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skmeT6CBQF1YnUpGtmAn1t

I can hit 230k natty

lets gooo

[molten relic]

Ez

[unreal onyx]

a lot of my gear has crit as lower secondary

[warm crag]

stop simming corrupting you ape

[slim coral]

No I won't be able to hit 230

[past pivot]

Augury and Signet for long ST fights. Augury and Rezan or Ember for short ST fights. Augury and Might for MT.

[slim coral]

[warm crag]

get a grip

[slim coral]

I have titan's grip does that work?

[unreal onyx]

a 489 m+ droptimizer

[wanton mirage]

Has anyone figure out the math whether Might is better than brand or rezen for Smoldy?

[molten relic]

If it’s not 5minutes don’t run signet

[slim coral]

it's the only upgrades I got left besides sockets and the obvious mythic augury

[warm crag]

just check logs lol theres enough data

[molten relic]

Might is prob fine on smoldie since u can delay orbs

Damage amps plus on use trinkets is good

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nvQ7SN3HS5MUBTFZR7gCqV

[wanton mirage]

I means log is not a math though. People just use whatever they want.

[molten relic]

On heroic yes

[unreal onyx]

I could hit 240k natty with rage phial

[slim coral]

you have lego doesnt count

[molten relic]

And tindral it’s kinda hit or miss, you need to highroll procs

[warm crag]

i can't calculate a boss to death

[slim coral]

it's not natty

[unreal onyx]

ripbozo

just loot yours

[slim coral]

Simming with lego isn't natty though

Unethical

[unreal onyx]

haters gonna hate

😎

[tepid shore]

I'll have to agree with lolxd here

[unreal onyx]

can't see the haters thorugh the flames of my fyralath

[molten relic]

I mean there’s only 2 fights longer than 5min on heroic

And idk the fight times on mythic but I don’t see them being much longer

[unreal onyx]

hc parsing is fun

bc i am too bad for myth

[molten relic]

My guild doesn’t do mythic anymore

Buncha retire CE gamers

Signet for fyrakk

[tepid shore]

I'm good at mythic, but I can't parse council cause my tanks hate me.

[molten relic]

Is good

I ran signet on tindral last week lemme check

[unreal onyx]

I got rid of my last purple this week

(before I got lego)

[warm crag]

do not conveniently hide the kill count

[past pivot]

Depends on kill times. If you can get max stacks up, run Signet imo. If not, run something else. Like Tswift and fry are long enough on HC to run signet

[clever path]

we heroic flexing rn?

[unreal onyx]

arms kills, don't matter

[clever path]

cope

[molten relic]

Heroic fyrakk breakdown

[unreal onyx]

100 logs with 4 active arms players

[molten relic]

Gaming

[clever path]

sorry here you go

[unreal onyx]

only fyrakk is over 5min

[fleet sorrel]

[unreal onyx]

get rekt on council

😎

[warm crag]

branch lore

[clever path]

council is a fun ass fight on arms i dgaf

[unreal onyx]

calling council fun is wrong in itself

(imo)

[clever path]

mythic council is ass

heroic is fun

[clever path]

dawg i did 70k more on arms

[past pivot]

Council is a terrible fight. Worst of the raid once you fix lag on Smoldy and twsift with WAs.

[unreal onyx]

tswift worst fight I have to "prog" yet

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/JYohg/b34a4962de.png boss is dead on my screen

[warm crag]

wait what was do you need for tindral

[unreal onyx]

council is more annoying than bad

[warm crag]

what boss sire

[unreal onyx]

🙏

smoldy

[modest condor]

smolderon deez nuts

[left perch]

what’s deez nuts

[modest condor]

dn

[warm crag]

i am inspecting silmarilen character .2s after kill and if i dont see equipped mythic brand i will scream and shout

[modest condor]

i have heroic, im last prio for mythic if it drops

[molten relic]

Our kills aren’t fast enough for me to parse pink smh

[unreal onyx]

unequip it and say you don't have it at all

[molten relic]

Have 2 pink parses I think

[modest condor]

lol

[molten relic]

Even with leggo

[unreal onyx]

smoldy is a mechanic fight, use might + rezan

[molten relic]

Not gaming like I wanna game

[modest condor]

"hey sil what's that cataclysmic signet brand in your damage breakdown?"

[unreal onyx]

get myth signet

[modest condor]

"just a bug trust"

[slim coral]

[warm crag]

its so easy?

[unreal onyx]

I got my hc signet on our very first kill

no need to cheat

[past pivot]

There’s a WA that suppresses plater nameplates for vines on twsift. Helps considerably with lag.

[winter shoal]

We've seen 1 augury drop and the guy who got it rerolled 🙃

[warm crag]

i know the pull lag got fixed but you might need steps against root plates or u single digit fps

[eternal sundial]

mythic fight lags more

[young swan]

have u played mythic tindral

its not

[warm crag]

bro what

[young swan]

"ive never had any lag in mythic like at all 🤓 "
hasnt played the only boss people ever complain about

[warm crag]

you cannot question ppl about tindral performance when you havent played it ??

[solemn plover]

LFG tindrall shreds my pc

[past pivot]

Not sure. Some of us get it. Some don’t. I have a good computer and loads of ram but tswift caused all kinds of lag. Nothing else like it in game. Superblooms are smooth but not that fight. That plater mod has helped a lot

[young swan]

it will be

ur frames will prob drop to double digits

[errant vessel]

My frames are already double digits

[young swan]

like many

[errant vessel]

~34 in valdrakken

Laptop supremacy

[young swan]

not ur fault

wow just sucks

horrible optimization

[errant vessel]

Ye tbf I can run minecraft max settings no issue

[past pivot]

There’s also a WA that drops particle density for Smoldy. Haven’t used that one myself but I’ve heard people say good things about it.

[young swan]

honestly for this raid the only fight u need particle density on at all for is nymue

pretty sure

no, wow just has shit optimization

[young swan]

this mostly just helps with graphical clarity and helps prevent cognitive overload

i imagine it does help actual performance a bit too

[past pivot]

Ah. Good to know. Thanks.

[red yew]

Surely the game isn't just obscenely demanding relative to what it's actually displaying

[young swan]

not to mention having any sort of custom UI shit is insanely demanding

some WA's just brick ur shit

[sullen dove]

imagine not just running default ui

[tepid scroll]

Default ui is pog

Also minimal weakauras that just show your cooldowns are better than those class ones that put 50 icons everywhere

[red yew]

ElvUI too convenient for me

Idk about that man

Is it really a PC issue if most games run really well at high settings but not WoW

[left perch]

Nymue has to be the worst designed color palette fight ever

[red yew]

I swear I had higher framerate in Cyberpunk than WoW

[tepid scroll]

We heard you like blue and green

[left perch]

I can’t see a single thing lol

[modest condor]

worst pull of the night xd

[young swan]

ggz

[unreal onyx]

gratz

[molten relic]

It’s a wow issue lol

[tepid scroll]

Gz!!

[molten relic]

The game is old

[left perch]

Gz Silm

[molten relic]

The optimization is bad

[red yew]

The game runs pretty bad unless you have a really good rig, doesn't that mean it's demanding?

[young swan]

"old"

[molten relic]

Ah yes

Coping on my 4080

[tepid scroll]

Our Mythic Zskarn kill last tier was insane luck. We went from 30 percent best pull to the boss falling over 😂.

[molten relic]

Bc the game has terrible optimization

[modest condor]

238k dps, most of the wipes were 250k+

[young swan]

u can say we're coping but its pretty well documented that wow optimization is shit

[tepid scroll]

Isn’t most wow lag just cpu getting fucked?

[left perch]

So the lesson is do less dps

and boss dies

[young swan]

cpu bottlenecks are quite common yeah

[red yew]

Clearly not bad optimization if it runs perfectly on my 3000 USD rig?????

[young swan]

pretty sure this is just a roidstack alt accoutn

[left perch]

[red yew]

Yooooo roidstack

Big fan

[past pivot]

Gz

[left perch]

Ask him to post lunch photo

[sudden tusk]

did that guy leave or get banned

[left perch]

To prove it

[red yew]

How many calories today

[young swan]

banned

[sudden tusk]

lmao

[clever path]

Remember when he was talking about doing carries and the carry had higher io than him

[red yew]

[unreal onyx]

he said he will buy CE this tier

so far he hasn't

[clever path]

Well isnt it like an obscene amount if money

[young swan]

its prob gcap

at this stage

more if u want the mount

prob like 15m - 20m if u want the mount

[unreal onyx]

did he rename?

can't find him anymore

you pay thousands

and still don't get the rare loot

[restive peak]

LOL

[modest condor]

@wild mural are you raiding any more this week?

[young swan]

@clever path lets not link rmt services please ty

[wild mural]

Narp

Not till weds

[storm rune]

Unpopular opinion: Rise needs more trash

[molten relic]

Huh

[wild mural]

Huh

[storm rune]

Yeah, it's ridiculous

1 big pull then a bunch of mini bosses, I want trash padding

[molten relic]

Lol

[wild mural]

It’s kinda refreshing with dungeons like EB with endless trash

[molten relic]

Rise already a shit key

And you want more trash in there

[storm rune]

EB really has it all, non stop cleave bosses, damage amp and trash for dayyys

[wild mural]

EB is the best dungeon this season no doubt

But fuck adding more trash to Rise

[ember apex]

guys do we know the drop % for the quantum mount for rise

(its not 1%)

[molten relic]

It’s not 100% either

[ember apex]

i need to figure out if i need to spam +2s of that dungeon to grab as many mounts as i can

yeah def not 100%

but its def higher than 1%

[molten relic]

If I had to guess it’s a non zero chance

[ember apex]

yeah sick

[molten relic]

Just like leggo

[unreal onyx]

feels like 5%

from my experience

[ember apex]

it feels higher than that

but idk

like ive gotten 3

and i def havent done like 80 Rises

how many u got

[unreal onyx]

I got 3

[ember apex]

and i bet u didnt run like 80 rises

right

[unreal onyx]

panther, freehold parrot and something else

[ember apex]

so its gotta be hgiher than 5%

but thats just feels

yeah i got sharkbait

and underrot crawg

[unreal onyx]

I farmed it weekly on hc and myth in s2

[ember apex]

it didnt drop on heroic

i spammed it too

for soridormi rep

[unreal onyx]

it did, no?

[ember apex]

i checked my raider IO i have 12 Rises this season

[warm crag]

the most powerful men leave the earliest

[ember apex]

that = 3 mounts

does a +2 have a lower mount drop chance than +20?

[south kayak]

I don’t think it matters what key level it is

[ember apex]

so basically we're forced to run this shit

[past pivot]

I got the mega mount this weekend. Easy to solo hard mode mechagone. Was farming the non-engineering goggles for a mog. Got them on first try. Mount was a bonus.

[fleet osprey]

Does anyone remember a youtuber who used to make songs about Arms/Fury warrior rotation back in WoD, Can't remember their name or find any of the videos

[ember apex]

asmongold

[unreal onyx]

I did 11 rises this season

[ember apex]

and u got 3 mounts