fury

[balmy shore]

even if it is rare i just remember it lmfao

[clever path]

Onslaught felt very nice to press

[oblique trail]

I hate any ability with a crit CDR component where it's up to a flip of the coin whether or not you'll have OF ready again or not for any AoE, i.e Tindral Vines or Igira Spears if you decide to use it

[edgy widget]

Onslaught is fine, but I don't like it as an AoE button

[restive peak]

Slam is a button, RB/BT were buttons, what is this slam obsession man

[buoyant salmon]

onslaught and slam are the same in the rotation

[restive peak]

It's the same APM and amount of buttons man

[gilded pawn]

just use the pinned macro

[buoyant salmon]

basically

[restive peak]

Choco you raidin again bruh?

[gilded pawn]

for slam

[restive peak]

We on fyrakky now

[gilded pawn]

you wouldnt even know

[clever path]

lol

[balmy shore]

someone cook of instead of onslaught but also reck rav am

[clever path]

raging blow slam

It’s the feel I was talking about

[buoyant salmon]

no

[clever path]

The touch

[edgy widget]

lil bit, but the tier makes it consistent enough for me

[restive peak]

RIP man 😦

[edgy widget]

but I mean even AM has some RNG to it

[oblique trail]

In AoE it's fine

[buoyant salmon]

ive basically been on a bender the past week so wouldnt have been able to raid

[clever path]

a bender rofl

[oblique trail]

But there's nothing more tilting than using OF on Tindral then realise "oops I should've held this if I wanted it for vines even though vines were 20-25 seconds away"

[buoyant salmon]

kinda

[oblique trail]

Because all my Bloodcrazes stacked to 80% crit

[edgy widget]

idk I haven't had problems with Tindral CDR

[restive peak]

I'd say OF is everyone 22-25s consistently

IDK how people are having such a variance

[clever path]

this, every damn time

[edgy widget]

I send it on pull, and like 1 out of every 15 pulls it might be 2s late on the first roots

[young swan]

^

was just typing this

[edgy widget]

other roots seem to line up fine

[tepid scroll]

For fights like that are you guys holding your first ava / TR to line up with roots?

[young swan]

have to get pretty unlucky to not have OF back up for 1st roots when ur using on pull

[tepid scroll]

Find it pads way harder doing that

[balmy shore]

does lego mess with of on to deal

tindral

[edgy widget]

same with platforms, I send it on his shield when we land and it still comes up in time for roots

[oblique trail]

It's usually not a problem, but the pulls where the BT crit rng is horrendous it's just a massive amount of negativity bias and you notice it very much

[buoyant salmon]

ive had a pull on tindral where my odyns fury was so fucking late i couldnt even use it on vines

[restive peak]

I sent all CDs on pull cuz we lusted pull for our kill, and always had OF for roots

[edgy widget]

on H it might not though, cause we blast his shield so fast, I'm talking M

[buoyant salmon]

that was only one pull tho

[balmy shore]

i haven’t had any issues with my cds on tindral but also i don’t have lego

[oblique trail]

I'd just prefer to have some sort of consistent CDR if any

[young swan]

i havent found a nice place to use it yet

[edgy widget]

I feel like that only happens if you're just not pressing BT regularly lol

[young swan]

i just started sending it on shields cause theres like no other place

[balmy shore]

yea i’m just trying to think like

[restive peak]

For sure, if you're BTin EOGCD as expected you'll always have it

[balmy shore]

where do u use and not die

but also not mess with of cd

[sinful spoke]

wait @young swan maybe i race change to worg

[young swan]

ew

[edgy widget]

yeah you gotta be careful trying to use it on roots during fire beams, for obv reasons

[sinful spoke]

damn

[balmy shore]

awoo

[buoyant salmon]

oops

LMAO

[indigo quarry]

if i get lego

i'm gonna die using it

[junior gale]

Worg has some bad animations for warr dont do it!

[indigo quarry]

multiple times

for sure

[sinful spoke]

i died 4 times

[buoyant salmon]

real

[sinful spoke]

last night

cuz leggo

[restive peak]

I died so much last nice

cuz Fyrakk fucks

😄

[indigo quarry]

you got lego and died ?

[clever path]

only lfr andys get the wep

[junior gale]

I too want a lego to kms with

[dapper goblet]

why play fury when you can play whopper

[tardy lark]

🍔

[indigo quarry]

i member that old ass game now

where you got to stack those burger

Burger Time on NES

[hasty path]

Whopper whopper Junior double triple whopper

[dense elbow]

4001 RIO is less than having legendary?

[hasty path]

I don’t need to flaunt my io, everyone knows I’m better than them by now

[dense elbow]

But... your rio was outdated so long ago :C

[hasty path]

remember how r.io said 2.9k was title like 2 days ago

it can bug out

its just been bugged for me for a long time

[dense elbow]

[errant vessel]

I think it’s due to the fact that our damage profile has changed so much since last season

[unreal onyx]

has it?

[errant vessel]

We’re used to having good dmg every pull and seeing ourselves on top

[unreal onyx]

I don't feel too much of a diff tbh

if you play a semi-high enough key you can almost have OF up for every pull

[errant vessel]

Ye I mean we were way better in aoe last season

[dense elbow]

Eh, I can kinda get where he coming from. We did lose some of that consistent AoE for that ST bump

[errant vessel]

Relative to our ilvl and other classes

Ye exactly

[dense elbow]

I rather have this tho, where I actually feel impactful on bosses

[errant vessel]

Same

[unreal onyx]

yea fury in m+ feels damn good rn

imo

[ember apex]

i prefer s1/s2 fury vs s3

[errant vessel]

Felt shit being bottom 5 dps every pull despite 99 parsing

[dense elbow]

But the doomers, just ignore them, no matter the facts/data/proof, they will doom

[small turret]

how much haste you all running

[errant vessel]

We’re all running diff values

[dense elbow]

20% ish, but remember to sim yourself

[errant vessel]

I’m running 24%

[small turret]

iv simmed

[errant vessel]

Avg top 50 fury warr is sitting on 28%

[small turret]

sims keep droping me lower and lower

[unreal onyx]

im 29% rn

[small turret]

aitting about 20% rn

[dense elbow]

yep, you in the same gear situation as me it sounds like

[small turret]

all sims keep having me add more vers im up to 26%

[dense elbow]

dont worry about it

[errant vessel]

Ye sounds like you’re more optimized for aoe

[unreal onyx]

im 29% haste and 28% vers xd

[humble mulch]

yo.. quick qestion.. any good Fury War WAs anyone got? not sure where to find some

besides wago

[errant vessel]

Aoe loves crit/mastery/vers

[unreal onyx]

what WA are you looking for?

[small turret]

thats what sims have me doing

[dense elbow]

So far, my ST loves Vers/mast/haste

[unreal onyx]

my mastery is very low compared to 95% of people I see in here

at 50%

[dense elbow]

Always fun to see the differences that pop up

[clever path]

im 28% unbuffed

[small turret]

thats mine fully buffed

just feel slwo sometimes but ill trust sims

[unreal onyx]

that's bc you run 2x wafting

[small turret]

thats what sim wants

[unreal onyx]

yes

[humble mulch]

just a basic class wa

[unreal onyx]

I mean that's what makes it feel slow

[unreal onyx]

I use the luxthos UI without any changes

has been working great for me

[small turret]

naowhs is what i use

[fast crest]

im at 25% haste unbuffed which feels kind of safe. i think my mastery is too high and crit + vers too low though

[edgy widget]

Fury still does pretty good damage every pull through OF

[fast crest]

a little tough upgrading a piece and having to switch another to balance/shuffle secondary stats

[edgy widget]

damage profile hasn't changed that much tbh, we just weren't getting hard clapped then - which is because of their tuning more so than ours

[hard widget]

"pretty good" ?

[past pivot]

Don't think about stats, sim.

[fast crest]

given these options for vault + recrafts what would you suggest: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i1TVTty8qM2eSSzEPorgjV

[hidden kiln]

hi,

cloak with shadowflame embellishment
wrist goes with? the versatility one?

[fast crest]

i think the obvious pick seems to be socket but feel like i'd be wasting 2 decent choices of ilvl upgrade

im kind of leaning toward the boots since 489 pants seem kind of easy to get, but on sim it's like the worst option

[iron portal]

Pretty good

[bold bluff]

Is there any reason that I shouldn't have this macro on my rampage button? Obviously I have bloodthrist/bloodbath on it's own hotkey as well.

/cast [known:Bloodbath]Bloodbath;Rampage

[edgy widget]

I would say more than pretty good, but I was echoing their wording

[dense elbow]

your rythm can be cast off, that is basically it

[edgy widget]

Anyone who thinks Fury's damage is actively bad is just kidding themselves

[olive wraith]

Fury bad buff pls

[edgy widget]

if you play smartly with it, not really - the worst thing is that it gets you into the habit of pressing one button for two different things, which... some people can adapt to, but can also result in muscle memory issues

[junior gale]

using macros like that feels like shooting yourself in the foot down the line

[twin glacier]

Well in m+ there is just classes that outshine you. And you don’t bring any meaningful utility. So really fury should pump more

[edgy widget]

the "problem" is that while that macro can replace your regular Rampage keybind, you still need a Bloodthirst button, so you're not really saving yourself anything

• the pro is that you can (mostly) just spam that button during cooldowns
• the con is that you can "trick" yourself into trying to use that when you should be pressing Bloodthirst

[bold bluff]

thanks, I see how there could be a rhythm issues as well, I think I'm going to do it but not actually use it consciously

[edgy widget]

There are, but as has been repeatedly pointed out, the real issue is that a couple classes are just ludicrously overtuned right now

making another one also stupidly overtuned isn't really a solution

[twin glacier]

Like if Tuning is like it is rn. and many classes are overturned, aren’t we then undertuned?

[edgy widget]

well no, Fury is actually upper middle of the pack

the problem is when you try to consider only the very top to be "tuned" instead of "overtuned"

[bold bluff]

I'm pretty frenetic so I'm hoping it could occasionally shave a few milliseconds

[edgy widget]

objectively speaking, the middle is balanced, the top is overtuned, and the bottom is undertuned

[dense marsh]

is there a WA that tells you when to spell reflect based on the spreadsheet on the pins?

[twin glacier]

Ye, but if u want to play the game and pug. Then u compete with the „upper“ section of dps classes

[edgy widget]

ok but you gotta look at the whole game

not just one class

Forget about DH for a minute and compare Warrior to DK or something - is Warrior damage bad now?

[twin glacier]

So everything not being in the top range is under tuned then. Even if o agree with you, smh

[edgy widget]

no, the top is overtuned

by every measure of the definition

[dense elbow]

Well, not by the doomer definition

[olive wraith]

I think prot had a pinned wa

[edgy widget]

also this "utility" argument is so tiring - nobody gives a shit about utility when you do stupid amounts of damage

DH utility isn't any better than Warrior, the only difference is their damage is OP right now

[olive wraith]

Also we are tanky af

I think people forget that metric

[edgy widget]

And War utility isn't even bad in the first place lmao

• reliable interrupt
• good mobility
• strong defensives
• minor group wide defensive
• access to two stuns and a fear
• easy access to AoE slow
• spell reflect is crazy good under the right conditions

[barren dagger]

we got shockwave and storm bolt its ok

[olive wraith]

Spell reflect

[twin glacier]

Exactly, that’s what I said. Warriors utility is mediocre, that’s why I feel like we should do more dps as compensation

If you look at rogues what they deal and what utility they have

[olive wraith]

Would you rather be spriest rn

[edgy widget]

Warrior utility is not mediocre lol

[dense elbow]

We are already quite high on dmg, it is just that DH is overtuned dmg wise

[edgy widget]

I honestly don't know what people are expecting to have if they think War utility is bad

other than Lust, which they're not going to give to just one of 5 tanks

[twin glacier]

Shockwave is a 2sec stun. You Dr bigger stubs with it.

[junior gale]

ppl think utillity only means lust or brez

[olive wraith]

Aoe stun aren’t about the stun

[dense elbow]

It is a short CD AoE stop, shockwave is great

[edgy widget]

the length of the stun doesn't matter when you only ever use it as a pseudo-interrupt

[sullen tendon]

The sad truth is that people will still take paladins over us because they have a bres

[edgy widget]

I can't remember the last time anyone practically cared about stun duration

[junior gale]

warrior could just use some adjustments on their utillity like making shockwave much easier to heave and un target capping fear

[edgy widget]

Shockwave is already easy to have

[junior gale]

but like even easier

[edgy widget]

Int shout could use some fixes, especially with Menace

[junior gale]

like some where high up on the tree

[edgy widget]

it would actually be harder to take

[barren dagger]

we lose like 2% crit for shockwave no? peanuts

[spiral orbit]

so many mobs are immune to fear that are not immune to knockup or disorient

[twin glacier]

This season as fury yes. Last season was a sacrifice. And arms can’t really take it. Other classes have easier access to their utility

[junior gale]

well yeah but thats just a warrior tree issue

[edgy widget]

believe it or not, the dps loss from shockwave where it is now is lower than if it were in the 2nd tier

[sullen tendon]

Does crit really matter with tier set and reck

[edgy widget]

Arms doesn't really lose any more than Fury does

that myth gets repeated over and over again

[dense elbow]

Blame the forums

[olive wraith]

Damage is damage. But it’s not a major loss

[sullen tendon]

I want shockwave to have a better damage output I like the sonic boom talent but it’s damage isn’t enough to take

[dense elbow]

you dont bring shockwave for dmg

[edgy widget]

going to the forums for reasonable opinions is your first mistake, lol

[olive wraith]

Well you don’t want shockwave to be a damage cd

[clever path]

Archi on a roll today! i love to see it

[sullen tendon]

It would be cool if mountain thane turned shockwave into an actual shockwave

[twin glacier]

Shockwave shouldn’t be a dps skill. It makes things even worse

[dense elbow]

you mean, it also knocked things down? Sure that could be neat

[edgy widget]

Yeah I mean I got no problem with like turning it into a knockdown or whatever, but that would be a really niche improvement

99% of the use case for Shockwave is just stopping casts - stun duration doesn't matter, dr doesn't practically matter

[dense elbow]

Looks cool tho, cool factor matters

[edgy widget]

And nobody is saying it couldn't be better either - everyone always wants more than they already have

[sullen tendon]

So why take shockwave over IS then

[edgy widget]

but calling Warrior utility bad is honestly kinda questionable

[dense elbow]

Why not take both?

[edgy widget]

lower CD, generally less opportunity cost

[sullen tendon]

IS has 360 range and potientisl to cc longer

[hasty path]

half the cd

[sullen tendon]

Yeah true

[hasty path]

and the duration, as stated, is irrelevant

[sullen tendon]

I don’t even pay attention to cds on cc

I don’t use them enough to care

[hasty path]

its 90sec vs 40

[edgy widget]

it's honestly easier to take shockwave than int shout at this point

[olive wraith]

Shout is capped too no?

[edgy widget]

yeah

[junior gale]

Like dont get me wrong I take shockwave every key its the easiest to take than its ever been all expansion but it just doesnt belong on the bottom row with ava roar and spear all I wish for along with removing the target cap on fear after that warrior utillity is fine minus not having intervene and zerger rage

[edgy widget]

I mean maybe, but it's still the best place for it right now

[twin glacier]

When is the last time @edgy widget. When warrior was absolute top notch in m+

[edgy widget]

that's a conceptual take - which I repsect, but on a practical level, it really doesn't matter

[olive wraith]

10.0

[twin glacier]

Because as it is now it’s not.

[sullen tendon]

90% of the time I’m in a group with 2 other demon hunters spamming sigils and aoe stuns

[indigo quarry]

Legion Arms warrior ToS

EASY

[edgy widget]

I'll ask you a question in turn - do you want balance, or do you just want to be meta? Because those are two vastly different things

[sullen tendon]

This

[twin glacier]

Yes I agree

[sullen tendon]

Legion warrior was amazing

[twin glacier]

And it was only good cuz it was blasting.

[olive wraith]

We were great 10.0.0

[modest condor]

10.1 fury before 10.1.5

[edgy widget]

yeah 10.1 Fury actually pumped pretty good, before Aug fucked everything up

[olive wraith]

Oops

I meant 10.1

Pre Aug

[humble plover]

I wanna be meta

[sullen tendon]

I want to be able to do aoe beyond 5 targets like 90% of other specs

[twin glacier]

Yea I agree, but we forget about that stupid season that got ruined

[young swan]

only arms and only in 7.2

[humble plover]

Like. No lie I wanna be the best. Maybe even the very best. Like no one ever was

[sullen tendon]

You are forgetting about draught of souls

[edgy widget]

several abilities can, but the problem isn't that Wars can't cleave infinite targets, it's that their 5 target damage isn't better than people who can cleave more targets

[young swan]

didnt make fury meta in m+

[edgy widget]

But anyway, "the meta" is broadly defined by two things

• how much you blast
• how much you can survive

While Warriors are tanky, they don't really have good repeat one-shot survivability, which limits how high they can go in keys (to a point, good use of Defensive Stance + Spell Reflect can still take you pretty far)

the "blasting" part is just tuning

[young swan]

fury was pretty chronically bad in legion m+ because, as some seem to forget, we took increased damage while enraged!

[sullen tendon]

In my mind it’s really defined by how limited we are in aoe

[edgy widget]

and the games tuning right now is objectively terrible - the game will never be perfectly tuned, it's frankly just far too complicated of a game for that to be a reality

but the gaps right now are massive, it's like 20% jumps

[indigo quarry]

hardcap sux

[edgy widget]

yup

[twin glacier]

But I am playing warrior since for ever. Even at a decent level in raids and m+. The core issue is that warrior lacks things like br/bl. Then u compete with other dps classes, because some spots are just taken, because you need an extra poison dispel, cc, sooth or what ever.

[indigo quarry]

everybody was busted in legion becasue no soft cap no hardcap

so full pewpew

[sullen tendon]

In high keys you will never see a warrior because runs always have constant 3 pack pulls with like 15 mobs

[junior gale]

ppl just remember seeing the execute clip on argus

[twin glacier]

Warrior is just a dps canon in keys. And it does it mediocre currently

[edgy widget]

Fury still actually blasts big pulls though, largely thanks to OF and TR

But whatever you blame it on, it's still the same - just general tuning

[sullen tendon]

And the exponential dps increase hardcaps us compared to others

[past pivot]

Is it canon?

[edgy widget]

the problem is that tuning sucks right now; if a class is 5% ahead of you, you can work around that

if a class is 20% ahead of you, there's not much you can do

[clever path]

???

[humble plover]

Archi tell them to make meat cleaver hit more stuff ❤️

[sullen tendon]

I just want a rework for fury because I’ve been hitting the same 4 buttons for 7 years

[edgy widget]

and yes, they could buff Fury to be DH level, but that doesn't really make the game better - it makes it better for Fury, but everyone below Fury (which is still like 80% of specs) is even worse off

[edgy widget]

idk about that, Fury has changed playstyles four times this expansion alone

[robust widget]

i just hope we get more balancing soon for over and underperfoming speccs and i blame the holidays for it being quiet for a bit now

[edgy widget]

might be the same buttons, but you can't really say it hasn't had a good amount of change

[olive wraith]

If every class has everything there’s no diversity

[edgy widget]

Arms is in a worse position, cause it pretty much always does the same thing

[edgy widget]

lots of classes lack BR/BL, but they ain't giving lust to just one tank

[clever path]

without diversity, you would stack the same class for a group

[sullen tendon]

It still all comes down to the same thing though rb/bt spam til rampage with a whirlwind inbetween. The only thing changing is what cool down you hit. Last patch it was ravager this patch it’s of

[edgy widget]

I mean, no

much more has changed

just look at Bloodthirst

• we barely hit it at all in 10.0
• it was an intermittent filler/blast button in 10.1
• it's now the core of the rotation in 10.2

[unreal onyx]

make bl a spec tree talent then

[harsh bobcat]

Warrior should be able to grab and slam things, like a reverse rescue

[edgy widget]

Maybe, but honestly I don't think giving Lust to Warriors would change the meta at all

also you'd have to spend a talent point on that

so... have fun giving something up

[unreal onyx]

not nessesarily

[sullen tendon]

In my mind RB and BT are the same button and they just do more or less damage depending on patch

[unreal onyx]

you wouldn't need it for raid

[edgy widget]

you would need it in M+ though, which is what we're talking about

[unreal onyx]

and you are not forced to take it in m+ either

[clever path]

if we had BL then our damage would be lower

[edgy widget]

so what are you gonna give up for it in M+

if you don't take it in M+ then it's definitely not helping your utility at all, lmao

[indigo quarry]

even having shockwave baseline wouldnt make you get into group easier

[twin glacier]

It wouldn’t change the meta. But it would enable to not worry about inviting a bl class

[indigo quarry]

WOULDNT

corrected myself

[edgy widget]

nice edit, nerd

[indigo quarry]

it typod

[sullen tendon]

The only way to fix fury war is to give us a third sword

[clever path]

no

[edgy widget]

lower keys outside meta comps get by with drums just fine

but again, what are you gonna give up for lust?

[unreal onyx]

save fury by making smf meta

[robust widget]

and letting us mog onehanders

[clever path]

god no Lolxd

[sullen tendon]

Smf shouod just be tmog

[robust widget]

++

[left perch]

every day it’s just 1 of 5 total uninteresting conversations lol.

[twin glacier]

What is low in your opinion? Because 25-27 are not low and these guys pugging these keys are surely not going with out a real lust

[sullen tendon]

It doesn’t change anything about abilities like 2handed frost does

[left perch]

hey guys do I do lfr then heroic then normal for lego

🙄

[gentle terrace]

No just do heroic

[clever belfry]

"real" lust is so overrated 🤷‍♂️

30s have been timed without it 🤷‍♂️

[edgy widget]

You know they almost gave us Skull Banner in DF beta, and that would have been "utility" (or more accurately, just group-wide damage)

But I and several other players said hell no, because it becomes talent tax that you're forced to take for the benefit of others

[unreal onyx]

there ain't a lot to talk about otherwise tbh

[indigo quarry]

i had a 23 Galakrond with 33 death

the 34 death was the downfall

because we didnt had a BR for last boss

[edgy widget]

it honestly is - not to say it's not good to have, but it's hardly make or break as much as people act like it is

[left perch]

real, ig

[twin glacier]

Why take a warrior with drums, when u could take a mage m, aug or bm. And have a real lust. Don’t be stupid u would decline me in that case aswell

[clever path]

give us things doesnt come without sacrifice to something else

[clever belfry]

me when people take a lust over a reliable CR in a weekly 20 💀

[edgy widget]

start a more interesting one then, lmao

[edgy widget]

no shit lmao

[olive wraith]

I honestly think pres/dev evoker might have it worse than us

[fading sky]

Fury is in a good spot arms needs help

[edgy widget]

they just need to figure out this aug bullshit and nerf overperformers (maybe a bit too late in the season now, but in general)

[indigo quarry]

Arms is blasting fine in keys

[unreal onyx]

they kinda have a meta spec to fall back onto tho

no warrior spec is meta atm

[clever belfry]

surely they figure out aug

[olive wraith]

Like pres/dev might be okay but no one wants them

[edgy widget]

tbf not everyone can be meta, there just aren't enough spots

[clever belfry]

when it still does not report correctly on the last 3 fights in the raid nor does it report correctly on aoe

[clever path]

11.0 it will be dog

[left perch]

modern wow has out grown “epic legendary” weapons and needs to abandon them. it also highly over values trinkets as a way to “spice things up” each tier and needs seriously rethought.

[robust widget]

[unreal onyx]

ofc, it was not meant as a "make woyer meta", rather saying that evoker has a meta spec to play when bad comes to worse

[edgy widget]

true, but you can still argue that people being shoehorned into something they don't like 🤷‍♂️

[unreal onyx]

which warrior is missing atm

[edgy widget]

just like an Arms player may argue they're "forced" to play Fury or w/e

[clever path]

id take an aura buff over a legendary

[robust widget]

sure lets trade

[twin glacier]

Id take both

[unreal onyx]

difference between arms and fury is not as big as diff between dev and aug I think

[mild kraken]

If Warrior can get the m+ title and be fun/decent in raid what more do you want?

Fury was only meta in BFA cuz of corruptions

[clever belfry]

?

fury was not meta when corruptions were arround lol

[clever path]

arms was

in S4

[clever belfry]

and only in raid

[mild kraken]

Did you play BFA?

[delicate idol]

Certainly seems strength dps was tuned around a legendary that is far better than the one we actually got.

[left perch]

Dev is actually real solid the problem is, Aug exists so the more you push the more folks are gonna be like “dude are you trolling?”

[unreal onyx]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=all:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=25:maxMythicLevel=99

at least there are warriors in the 25+ keys

0 devs

[small dome]

wowhead is kinda vague, should i use 2 shadowflame embelishments or 1 and vers wrists?

[olive wraith]

Dealers choice. Allied wrists are for aoe and extra tanky

[left perch]

Right I feel like we’re saying the same thing I guess

[olive wraith]

Double patch is better single target

[edgy widget]

I like trinkets, some of them are kinda annoying or overly powerful though true

the weapon thing is something they just need to reign back on; cantrip items are fine and exciting, but they shouldn't be huge

• epic cantrips should be unique and in the 1-3% range (Ashkandur) - big enough that you want them, but not so big they devalue everything else or create issues of have/nots
• legendaries, especially RNG ones, should be in the 3-7% range (Fyr'alath) - big enough that you want it and there's a noticeable gain, but not so big it upsets overall game balance

like most things, the issue is that there are often things that "break the mold" and you end up with Gavel, Edge of Night, or the bow, which just makes everything worse for everyone

[small dome]

I mostly do m+ so ill go with wrists, thanks

[unreal onyx]

you can't really change how it goes, but I don't like that there are always 100% bis trinkets every tier

[olive wraith]

Double patch isn’t necessarily bad for m+. It leans into more prio damage

[delicate idol]

The real legendary is having your class reworked mid patch.

[edgy widget]

They need to go back to pre-BfA trinket design, where they could be affected by class spells

[olive wraith]

But the difference between using either combo isn’t that big

[fading sky]

True

[edgy widget]

cause without that, trinkets are largely a matter of which one is tuned best

[unreal onyx]

yea

that's lame

[edgy widget]

it's boring when everyone wants the same 4 or so trinkets, I agree

[clever path]

edge of night was sick

[edgy widget]

edge of night was sick, but it was way too strong

[clever basin]

anyone know how much worse single minded fury is than titans grip figure i might as well meme in low keys while farming crests

[unreal onyx]

literally every melee wants signet for ST

which is annoying

[edgy widget]

just about, yeah

it's boring design

[twin glacier]

Draught of souls

That was nice

[unreal onyx]

I only play since SL so idk how it was before that

[young swan]

draught wasnt even the coolest trinket in legion

moonglaives

[clever belfry]

draught was kinda boring ngl

[summer quail]

arcano crystal

[clever belfry]

not getting to play my class during cds gg

[edgy widget]

You spelled Convergence of Fates wrong

[twin glacier]

Argus never drop trinket

[unreal onyx]

DoS crytstal with avatar+BS

good

[fast crest]

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30446/solarians-sapphire#dropped-by

[young swan]

okay true but that was just AM replacement

might as well have been baseline

[edgy widget]

Draught "wasn't cool" because it got nerfed before most people really got to enjoy it

[summer quail]

huh? withered jim world boss

[edgy widget]

but if you had it early during its peak period... it was pretty wild

[twin glacier]

The legendary one.

[indigo quarry]

Arcano Crystal yeah !

[clever path]

what was that orange trinket called from BFA that gave massive vers

[young swan]

i kinda forgot this, didnt they nerf it by putting it on gcd? i remember something about it being take off of or put on gcd

[edgy widget]

na they nerfed its damage by 40% specifically for Arms and Fury

[young swan]

i do remember that

that was post nighthold right?

[edgy widget]

I don't remember if it was on GCD before or not, but didn't really matter since it was a channel anyway

[indigo quarry]

Draught of souls when it was buffed by UDK mastery

[twin glacier]

Arms mastery was even bigger

[clever belfry]

it was off gcd before 925

or no 9.2 wasnt it

[edgy widget]

but yeah, the problem with trinkets is that they're not longer really interesting; most have absolutely no impact on gameplay

Draught was neat not because it was OP, but because it caused you to do something different - almost like a mini tier bonus

[clever path]

honestly a good warrior buff for m+ would be to make it 20% in m+ and keep it at 10 for raid

rally*

[edgy widget]

because you could use it with your cooldowns and do something awesome - there was a reason it was better for you than the Rogue, that made it inherently more interesting than a completely passive signet that operates the same for everyone

[clever path]

rally feels pretty underwhelming in m+ atm

[young swan]

yeah im hoping they stop being afraid of making cool trinkets again

[twin glacier]

I wish they would make intervene baseline again

[clever belfry]

and it was kinda fucking dog outside rogue/warr yep

[grave wharf]

i just saw a fury warrior ussing 2 1H wep

[coarse drift]

let him dream

[grave wharf]

like

idk whats that supposed to mean

[edgy widget]

exactly, not everyone wanted it, but it was really cool for the people who could use it

[clever path]

he could be a prot player

[sour frigate]

frost dk alt

[clever path]

with high ilvl 1hs

[grave wharf]

480

483

[edgy widget]

instead what we have now is everyone wants Signet, many people want Augury, nobody wants Branch

[clever path]

Archi have you looked at leggo apl excluding the on use?

[edgy widget]

wym

aside from what's already in the pins?

[clever path]

pretty sure its ret bis

branch

Like patchwerk fight sim where fyralath on use is not touched

Oh is it pinned lol

[edgy widget]

Gnarlroot branch? definitely not

[eternal sundial]

gnarl branch is a super good 2nd option trinket for fresher chars tho

[olive wraith]

I loved branch early in the season

[edgy widget]

Yeah, high ilevel direct damage trinkets are always good when your ilevel is lower, and drop off as your gear catches up

cause they don't (fully) scale

[clever path]

they want signet + rezans/branch iirc

[grave wharf]

https://i.imgur.com/sKxGrQg.png

[edgy widget]

Signet > Rezan > Augury > Branch

[olive wraith]

Surely ocean is better for ret

[edgy widget]

Na, Ocean doesn't line up

[dense elbow]

Ret is a 1min class

[olive wraith]

Hot damn

[dense elbow]

PvP trinky tho, eh? ehh?

[spiral orbit]

look at subcreation. branch is legit the most popular ret trinket on the top runs

[edgy widget]

cause it's easy to get

popularity =! best

[grave wharf]

so signet is the best one of them

[spiral orbit]

by that logic it should be equally represented for warrior and dk right

except no warrior or dk uses it on subcreation

[edgy widget]

Wars have more options

idk about DK

[spiral orbit]

0% branch users, just looked

[edgy widget]

Wars also get more out of Augury than Ret does, so there's a higher likelihood they'll get it first

Whereas Ret pretty much has a lock on branch, because nobody else really wants it

but Branch doesn't do anything inherent for Ret - there's literally zero interaction

[olive wraith]

I can’t wait for puzzy box to come back

[spiral orbit]

2:30 is definitely the weirdest CD in the whole game

[edgy widget]

it's only higher for Ret relative to other classes cause Ret is weaker than other classes

so that amount of direct damage is a higher percentage of their overall output

[olive wraith]

Does ret have high vers

[elder vessel]

I thought augury was best for curry

Fury

[clever path]

yes

[elder vessel]

Or is Texan better

[edgy widget]

e.g.

• if Ret does 10k total damage and branch does 1k damage, adding branch is +10% damage
• if Fury does 12k total damage and branch does 1k damage, adding branch is +8.3% damage

[elder vessel]

Rezan

[edgy widget]

Augury is generally on par or better than Rezan - it can kinda vary since you rarely have them at the same ilevel

but the big benefit of Augury is that Fury likes it everywhere; ST, MT, and M+

whereas Rezan is really only useful in ST

[spiral orbit]

Why does the following argument from the Havoc pins not apply to Augury for fury in m+. (Full credit to Shadarek)

"Why Augury isn't M+ BiS
All split damage trinkets scale horrendously into AoE. A Havoc sim jumps 50% going from 1t to 2t, a damage split trinket jumps 15% in value meaning raw stats pass it by ~35% in just a 2t scenario.
Gear. The more gear your character has, the higher raw loss of the agility due to Augury being crit on the base trinket with the value shoved into the proc.
Player Skill. The more damage you do, the less value augury will have. For top DH's or sims this quickly shoves augury out.
(If 2 players with a stat trinket will do 200k or 300k in the same key purely off play differences, and augury will do 12k for both players. That's 6% for player 1 (good-ish) and 4% for player 2 (Really Bad))

In a 2 target scenario Pips or even Ember of Nullification instantly pass augury on sims, above 2t it's no contest and augury is horrible. Having Crit instead of Agility is a base loss of ~2.5% DPS that you need to remove from the overall you see from augury compared to any trinket with an agi base. Included are 1t, 2t, 5t, and 10t sims on my character of these trinkets.

It's worth noting Augury is good for boss damage in keys, but only bosses without adds. A boss with adds your augury will frequently have most of its damage wasted into them and just be pad damage."

[past pivot]

We're not DHs....

[edgy widget]

Basically

[spiral orbit]

replce agility with str and the argument changes?

[clever path]

Give DH a shield

[edgy widget]

pretty analogous to the Branch conversation - because Augury deals direct damage, while Pips gives raw stats

And DH deals much better raw damage than Fury does right now, thereby netting greater returns from the stats

[clever path]

But while people talking about trinkets, Is Idol decent for m+ or should I probably just use rezans especially tyran?

[past pivot]

Get Might and Ember/Crab if no Augury. Rezan's is just meh for keys. At least 7 better trinkets for M+.

[edgy widget]

not to mention that DH deals much more raw AoE damage than Fury at various target points, and they scale way better with Agi than we do with Str

[clever path]

Yeah I got might was just running it with idol, does okay i guess 4% dmg

Will look at others

[past pivot]

Augury and Might are BIS for M+

[clever path]

Yeah I need to farm augury, only been back to wow for a week so gonna be a while me thinks

signet can be insane on tyra if you can start fights with 15 stacks

[olive wraith]

Do it on every difficulty you can

Lfr Aug goes to 476 so it might sim better than a hero track other trink

[edgy widget]

just as an example to prove the point

• Havoc gains +50% from 1->2 targets
• Fury gains ~33%

[clever path]

tbf fury is ass on 2t

[edgy widget]

it is

kinda the point

[clever path]

Screw it imma run LFR, Heroic groups aren't inviting me x_X thanks.

[olive wraith]

I’ve been running lfr and I have 483 trinks

I’ll also pug normal later this week

[ashen burrow]

so whats haste cap and mastery cap

[edgy widget]

technically infinite

[clever path]

[edgy widget]

but you should sim and use the best gear you actually have available

[gentle terrace]

what's the best way to sim for m+

[fast crest]

are there any like graphs available showing incremental value of each stat for fury ?

[clever path]

PW 5 targets 5 mins, 3 mins, 1min 30s ect are what I used to sim back in S2

Although a minute is about how long some packs last in m+

U can also just run for ST

[olive wraith]

Probably not because you’d need every stat at every value

[clever path]

I had a vision

Next reset , we all get legendaries

[tardy lark]

I promise you I won’t

[clever path]

Same

[tardy lark]

Week before S4 it’s guaranteed

[clever path]

No, the gods have spoken to me

We all will , trust he jutsu

[tardy lark]

Critcake will be there with me. Last bastion of legendaryless warriors

Not for a lack of trying tho

[clever path]

There's more chance of Aston Villa winning the premier league than me getting a legendary

[tardy lark]

Who is that

[clever path]

Exactly my point

[edgy widget]

simming a minute doesn't tell you anything when your cooldowns aren't up every minute

[unreal onyx]

belte is back?

[unborn canyon]

is rageheart a thing in higher keys?

[edgy widget]

like if you wanna look at some burst metric, that's fine, but I wouldn't rely on it

[clever path]

Yoooo yessir

[modest condor]

it can be if you think you need more defensive value

[past pivot]

Leggos are crutches for the weak. Real warriors don't need welfare weapons

[clever path]

I ran all values but that's because it's just me, Tbh I think a lot of people just sim PW 1 target 5 minutes

[clever path]

But legendary = bigger numbers in meters

Bigger numbers in meters = dopamine

[past pivot]

I do all kinds of different type of sims for MT. And in the end, just using top gear recommendations and changing out trinkets works as well if not better than anything else.

[edgy widget]

gonna stray off topic here for a minute, but I'm really having a hard time reconciling the fact that your username is "Judge Dredd (1995)" but your profile pic is from the 2012 version 🤔

[clever path]

Yeah same, Only ran those low times for burst like archie said

[past pivot]

Yep

[clever path]

Wait what really ? Uncanny , I thought it’s the 1995 , I even googled 1995 … oh well

Was a hella good reboot to be honest

[edgy widget]

it was fantastic, but yeah, that pic is from the reboot

[unreal onyx]

welcome back

do you have leggo yet

[past pivot]

Karl Urban's Dredd > Stallone's Dredd

[clever path]

Nope, been back for almost a week, mainly been playing prot but now gearing for fury farming ect

Rolled for raid weapons as prot spec X_X

[unreal onyx]

bruhhh

[clever path]

Next week tho!!!!

[unreal onyx]

for sure

I just got the rise quantum mount

and the tyr hammer traded to me

got the freehold parrot

[clever path]

Pog, I'm still wrapping my head around the new fury rotation, not as bad as all the doom and gloom said

It’s amazing

[sleek nexus]

agreed

[clever path]

Warrior is literally the class

[unreal onyx]

that's maybe a bit of a overstatement

[sleek nexus]

the dopamin you get from hitting those BT

[tardy lark]

Wears off pretty fast when it’s every second global

[unreal onyx]

the execute phase BBs always hit

[clever path]

Imagine if they’d make some resource like holy power for warrior

[unreal onyx]

at least for me

or on smoldy intermission

[tardy lark]

“Was that a 650k BT”

“Man arms sucks”

[unreal onyx]

we are so gaming now

finally I can start playing the game

[tardy lark]

dæsgåsting

[clever path]

Pog

[tardy lark]

Imagine having legendary for prog

[unreal onyx]

7 people in my guild got pips badge from the weekly

[tardy lark]

Bliz are evil

[unreal onyx]

I also just got it

what do I want with that trash

[olive wraith]

How is pips

I got heroic from the weekly 4 mythics

[clever path]

They can’t be evil , they’re friends with Microsoft now

[olive wraith]

Thinking it might be better than crab. Not at home to sim

[unreal onyx]

it's okay

but I would guess crab is better in m+

[unreal onyx]

imagine progging once you killed smolderon

[clever belfry]

bro missing most fun boss

[unreal onyx]

if you mean tindral

[clever belfry]

i do mean tindral yes

[unreal onyx]

we for sure are at it

[clever belfry]

u did get to intermission tho

[clever path]

WE BACK BABY LFR tindral lol

I never raided , can you explain what is progressive raiding ?

Is it when you down 2 bosses one week , shrug and say “good nough” and then next week 2 more ?

I really just do raids to get vault and that’s it

I need gear

[unreal onyx]

we saw intermission with 1 tank alive

"saw"

[clever belfry]

For most people prog raiding means tackling the hardest bosses (mythic) with your guild
usually a few nights a week for a few hours each

how much you kill, depends

[unreal onyx]

"prog" is basically "progression" on the raid, which means continuing to try and go further in the raid

a whole lot of people are on a wall with tindral rn

[clever belfry]

the first 2/3 or so of the raids usually fall over, maybe with a random mid tier wall
with the late bosses maybe taking weeks

[clever path]

People can spend weeks on one boss (me on sark never killed cause i quit game reeeeeeeeeeee)

[tardy lark]

Usually happens at bosses you can’t just throw more gear at to beat

[clever belfry]

if u have 2 tiers of gear tho

u will win

[tardy lark]

Finish tswift prog mid Midnight xpac ez

[clever belfry]

reeaaal

[unreal onyx]

we almost killed smoldy pre-nerf

we had a 0.5% wipe on it

and then raid night was over

[clever belfry]

skill issue

[unreal onyx]

killed it post nerf

[clever belfry]

shouldve overtimed

[hardy cargo]

grats

[unreal onyx]

we had like 7 shitty pulls after

[clever belfry]

king

[unreal onyx]

my guild is very hit or miss

either it goes down smooth like rwf or hc pug raids early tier

[clever belfry]

@warm crag opinion on this

[warm crag]

on what

@clever belfry

[unreal onyx]

@clever belfry

respond

ty

[clever belfry]

hit or miss pulling

[warm crag]

real

terrorist moment

[clever belfry]

TERRORISTA

[warm crag]

i dont even know what that priest was doing

[clever belfry]

Walcc

not sure if sael missed his rescue

but usually neems aint there

[warm crag]

i think they just get spellward and chill there no?

[clever belfry]

Nah he gets rescue on that one

[warm crag]

ah ok

[clever belfry]

both actually

[robust widget]

@unreal onyx ahjo what doing in my AD 20

[clever belfry]

idk who gets the ward when

[unreal onyx]

hello sir

[robust widget]

i want my lego axe gib

[clever belfry]

depleting it

[unreal onyx]

I'll hold it for you until next reset when you get it

[robust widget]

ty

i expect big blast now @unreal onyx

[unreal onyx]

ofc

I expect a very obscure route

[robust widget]

ye our tank is a bit

pepega

[twin bobcat]

hello

i'm the healer

xD

[hasty path]

https://tenor.com/view/bojack-horseman-mr-peanutbutter-peanutbutter-crossover-gif-20449450

[clever path]

Shame survival hunters can’t wear that Lego

Okay, Fury is pog, I like the rotation, 469 ilvl beating 484s

I main Fury again

Level an alt warrior and make that alt arms only

Do the same with prot

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/JYb7U/40cd1d3b8c.png

who needs immunities lol

6 stacks of adds on the first boss in brh on a 26

[wild mural]

finally you can play the game

need to get it on dk now

[eternal sundial]

use non pleb tcg tabard

[wild mural]

no

its tabard of fury

therefore I must use

[robust widget]

@unreal onyx 6.6% overall + weapon dmg not that bad

[unreal onyx]

yea

leggo kinda slaps in m+

also a thing I learned

don't use the on-use when spiders are big

I found out the hard way

[modest condor]

lmao

[wild mural]

kekw

[left perch]

[unreal onyx]

(I didn't die)

but came very close to it

[robust widget]

how did you like the fiesta infront of priest boss

[unreal onyx]

I was somewhat overwhelmed on what to do

sanguine really didn't help the situation

did you notice that I do not play shockwave?

[robust widget]

i did notice that yeah

[slow drift]

How's signet brand on tyran week in higher keys? Worth instead of might of the ocean alongside augury?

[mild kraken]

You think 24 ToTT is fine with no aug?

[summer quail]

Ofc, aug is not required. Makes you wat safer tho

Way

[uneven plaza]

ofc

[worn oriole]

can someone explain in detail why the rotation of using the legendary is as it is pinned, i just want to understand

[eternal sundial]

turbo free

[eternal sundial]

in st charge > lego > stuff

in aoe stuff > lego

[worn oriole]

yeah i know but why 😄

[eternal sundial]

cuz thats how u do most damage

[edgy widget]

with the changes, you can probably prio lego first in mass AoE now, doesn't really matter that much though

[eternal sundial]

i read somewhere you can technically consume all the marks on idk 20 mobs like tindral root and if they all die during channel youll get a turbo juiced last hit into just the boss

so i try lego a bit later

no idea if thats worth

[edgy widget]

Yeah; you'd get more damage hitting more targets, but it's a nice consolation prize I guess

[eternal sundial]

isnt the damage based off of the marks you "eat"

so if i eat 21 from roots for ex and they all die before the thing does the last hit it wont split it?

[edgy widget]

Yeah, in theory it should work that way

[eternal sundial]

seems very tindral specific though

[dense elbow]

That is why so many legendary wielders hype on that fight with the axe

[junior gale]

God I hope I get lego b4 tindral prog is over I wanna use it on that fight so much

[unreal onyx]

you can use it in AD with the saurids too then

or spiders/bats in BRH

[red dirge]

anybody got a idle game or something to run behind WOW jus for dowtime for like LFG or some sort
\

[eternal sundial]

cookie clicker

[dense elbow]

Mark bats, drop CC, so the Felguards gets distance from em - activate legendary - big dam

[young swan]

idle slayer pretty good

[eternal sundial]

or you just enrage of > lego

and all bats are in heaven already

[red dirge]

this on steam?

[young swan]

ye

[calm mantle]

Anyone got any transmog run recommendations? All I usually do is blackwing

[vocal gazelle]

Eyes of the beholder my friend.

[eternal sundial]

im a TOT sword believer

[vocal gazelle]

Kick it old school and sink 2.4m into the tier 3

[mild kraken]

unless ur tank goes bye bye first

[hasty path]

Has anyone had issues crafting hte legendary, specifically the leatherworking part?

[eternal sundial]

nop

[hasty path]

I used the item on my guildie who is LW but it did not give him the buff and he cant craft it

item went on cd

[eternal sundial]

reuse then idk

[hasty path]

its on cd

for 25min

xdd

[dense elbow]

Night Elf heritage armor

[eternal sundial]

thats part of the experience of making lego

item cds

[hasty path]

yeah but

the other 2 worked

this one went on CD and did not work

when i used it

[eternal sundial]

i did all 3 items with the same guy on 3 diff chars and it worked perfectly fine

[calm mantle]

I will murder you if you have lego on 3 chars

[wild mural]

phil

how does one magus

[red dirge]

anybody feel like there really struggling to keep up with meta classes in raid like im tired of being mid dps every fight

[inner zinc]

do pugs, you will always be first KEKW

[calm mantle]

Just do fyrakk you'll have 100 melee's so you'll always be near the top if you're good

[red dirge]

Just topped meters on our volocross pull

[calm mantle]

My volc best is 203k, I had a 220k pull yesterday but died at like 10% and wiped because healers died.

[calm mantle]

first kill.

Not sure if its the sword you ment

[dire vigil]

First 3k score! 🙏🏼💯

[dense elbow]

Gz, ya did good!

[silk reef]

What embellishments do I want as fury?

[wild mural]

huge

[red dirge]

dang I hit 205k

[dire vigil]

Thank you!! Now I need to get this damn leggo

[dense elbow]

Allied Wrist + SF cape, or SF wrists and cape, if you do a lot of m+ and got gem-slots, Lariat+wrists could be an option. For more information, check the guide in the pins 📌

[wild mural]

@eternal sundial

GOAT

[silk reef]

Thank you I just started playing again so I’m pretty behind on everything

[dense elbow]

[calm mantle]

pretty good still, i need to use a combat pot to beat 203 i think

[hidden kiln]

is t he obsidian seared claymore a good choice? ive been spamming dungeons and no luck with loot.. im still using a 454 gnarlroots wep :S

already have the cloak and the wrists

[sour frigate]

its ok imo

try getting fyralath maybe 🙂

[hidden kiln]

yhx

thx

[sour wing]

maybe im blind or something but what talents are giving me so much haste?

[modest condor]

enrage, frenzy

[sinful spoke]

does anyone here of a way to hide the nameplates of the roots on tindral?

[acoustic furnace]

Kill them faster so they don't stay in the way as long

[snow edge]

You should be able to set a custom nameplate; I know I had custom settings for Explosive namesplates when they were still a thing

[sinful spoke]

where can i do this

[sour wing]

thank you

[snow edge]

I use Threatplates so can only tell you where that is under that particular addon; but I think Plater is the more common one

[sour wing]

i was so blind. im like why am i spiking so high in haste

[sinful spoke]

yeah i use plater

[hushed saffron]

Guys SQW "console SpellQueueWindow" 0 or 100 + ping?

[sinful spoke]

are tindral roots considered pets or totems

[gilded pawn]

Try 0 and report back

[meager gyro]

I make crotch burn I play fire mage so good

[hushed saffron]

ok ty

I've been playing for a long time, only now I found out about this option

[hasty path]

SQW is a meme

[winter ore]

guys im tripping and i need help, for some reason my warrior decides to auto press bloodthirst after my rampage, wtf is going on?

[gilded pawn]

False

Ask rootstock

@roidstack

[hasty path]

chad

[gilded pawn]

Sadge

[runic pine]

SQW of 0 is kinda bad no?

[gilded pawn]

It’s pretty bad

That’s how you miss globals for fun

But he may like it

[hasty path]

i miss him

[runic pine]

people worry about SQW too much

[hasty path]

^

literal top players dont change it

some dont even know what it is

[gilded pawn]

@ critcake

What’s your sqw

[gilded pawn]

Who’s this

Is he a beast

[modest condor]

pretty much explains the importance of it

[hasty path]

top fury warrior in NA basically all xpac

[gilded pawn]

He’s #4 on raider

Unranked in ronin tier list

He’s a nobody

[runic pine]

lol

[worldly shard]

this is better than being rank4

[runic pine]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-go-marvel-let's-go-thor-let's-go-lets-go-thor-gif-6938549561677021369

[brittle crow]

bro this is the third time ive gotten korkron juggernaut

just give me tusks

[worldly shard]

Last week tho, was my 3rd kill

Idk how rare the tusks are % wise

[runic pine]

very

[worldly shard]

Only rare, sub 0.15% items im missing are the unmaker scythes

[wicked plinth]

0.3%

[worldly shard]

Got taeschalach on my 2nd, tusks on my 3rd kills

[brittle crow]

ban this guy from the server pls

doesnt deserve

[fading bane]

is Taes same rarity as scythe?

i got Taes but no scythe

[brittle crow]

im sorry but even if you're a nice person i think less of u now

[worldly shard]

I literally discovered about tusks, decided to start "farming" and ended farming on that same char i did 1kill

[brittle crow]

ive gotten the damn mount 3 times but no tusks

[covert coyote]

you guys and your good rng...

[brittle crow]

and i havent even been trying for taeschalach

[hard widget]

Spell queue window?

[pliant obsidian]

if you have the Ocean's trinket do you macro it with Recklessness or Avatar?

nvm i will try both ways

[hard widget]

If its between those 2 u do it with reck, since u wont use avatar till after your roar

Mine is bound to my roar

[clever path]

new video when Jeventes

[edgy widget]

you can Roar after Avatar, but you should bind it to Reck anyway, because you want to buff your opening OF

[hard widget]

Ngl its such a shit week 😂

[pliant obsidian]

why Roar?

[edgy widget]

Macroing it to Roar will cause you to miss out on buffing half your burst

[clever path]

haha you should post one! i think it would be a good video since shit week

[hard widget]

No?

[edgy widget]

Do you Roar before OF?

[hard widget]

Your reck charge ramp odyns roar

[edgy widget]

Ok, and what abilities weren't buffed by your Might there

[pliant obsidian]

aoe i use that max burst rotation you have on wowhead

[pure echo]

Is alpha available already, or is this just from the info provided during blizz's tww info dump?

[edgy widget]

no, alpha should be in late spring sometime as far as we know

[hard widget]

You miss the inital hit from odyns and 1 sec of the bleed with it

Lol

[edgy widget]

For no reason

Should put it on your Reck, it's just flat out better that way

OF is not an insignificant hit, nor is your opening Rampage

[hard widget]

Its not significant either

[edgy widget]

Ok... ngl this is the weirdest hill to die on

there's literally no reason to macro it to Roar and simply skip buffing multiple abilities

absolutely no advantage, you only lose

[pliant obsidian]

makes sense and i use reck odyns roar ram bl ram bl avatar 2 rams 2 bl right?

for aoe

[edgy widget]

You can roar after OF or after Avatar, it doens't really matter, but yes - you use your cooldown then start rotating Bloodbath and Rampage

[hard widget]

Well yes and no, if you dont get ur burst out fast enough part of your roar might become unbuffed making it worse

[edgy widget]

if you're using Titanic Rage, then you can just fit Avatar in after your first 4 cleaves

[edgy widget]

Might of the Ocean lasts 20s, there is no chance your Roar is ever not covered by it

[hard widget]

Oh rip im thinking of the wrong trinket

Kekw

[edgy widget]

as you said, it's the difference of 2 GCDs (in your example)

[pliant obsidian]

now for st do you reck ramp bl ramp bl for the 3 extra dmg blodlusts?then use avatar with same concept st i'm struggling

[edgy widget]

Bl isn't an ability by the way, it's Bloodthirst and Bloodbath

[pliant obsidian]

im just trying to abbreviate

[edgy widget]

I know, I'm just pointing out that isn't the right abbreviation lol

[pliant obsidian]

ok yea duh i'm stupid lol

[hard widget]

You use it when ur avatar proc fell off

[edgy widget]

but yes, it's basically the same rotation for ST
Reck -> Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> Spear/Roar -> rotate Bloodbath & Rampage -> Avatar -> rotate Bloodbath & Rampage

the general guideline is to use Avatar after the initial buff wears off, yeah, just to help maximize Dancing Blades uptime

[pliant obsidian]

so you are not utilize the full 10 second attack speed buff?

[edgy widget]

it extends

[pliant obsidian]

oh

[hard widget]

Isnt it moreso about the odyns bleed / avatar upkeep?

[clever path]

its a quiet fun rotation

[edgy widget]

it's both

Avatar uptime doesn't matter, it fully extends regardless of when you use them

[hard widget]

yeah but ur saying 2 different things

[edgy widget]

no I'm not

[pliant obsidian]

i agree i like the rotation but right now i have 50 haste when i drop to 25 or so thats gonna be different

[hard widget]

Ur saying db extends and ur saying use avatar later to help with db uptime

[edgy widget]

Odyn's Fury DoT also pandemics, so you only need to delay like 2 seconds

[edgy widget]

yes, DB pandemics

But you don't get a full rollover like Avatar, so you delay the cast in order to optimize uptime

[hard widget]

That seems like a very fancy way of just saying use it when ur avatar proc expires

[edgy widget]

I did say that

[pliant obsidian]

he did say it lol

[edgy widget]

quite literally lmao

[hard widget]

Probably didnt read the "edited"

[edgy widget]

I edited it 3 seconds after I posted it

[hard widget]

And yet here we are

[edgy widget]

you're very combative over... I'm not really sure what

[hard widget]

?

[edgy widget]

Anyway, using it when Avatar falls off is just an easy guideline for something that players don't normally track, it has nothing to do with Avatar itself - you will always get 24s of Avatar, regardless of when or what order in which you use them

[hard widget]

My guy im half watching a movie lol gimme a break

[edgy widget]

says the guy trying to jump down my throat over his own misunderstanding

[spare otter]

Quick question

Idk if anyone else does this

[hard widget]

Cool story dude

[edgy widget]

see, this is that being combative part again, and it's not going to end well for you

I suggest dropping the attitude and going back to your movie

[clever path]

i can vouche for that

[edgy widget]

send it

[hard widget]

Ur the guy dragging this on lol

[olive wraith]

Probably

[edgy widget]

ok you're done talking for the day

[olive wraith]

[snow edge]

I don't get why you'd be angsty / argumentative just for the sake of it

People are odd

[edgy widget]

he's just being defensive over being corrected, first about Might of the Ocean and then about OF/Avatar use

but I don't really have any time or interest in it

[olive wraith]

Um akshually

[snow edge]

[olive wraith]

Hammy the suspense is killing me

[edgy widget]

lmao no joke

[spare otter]

Without bloodlust: reck-charge-rampage-OF-Roar/spear-BB-Rampage-avatar
With bloodlust: Reck-charge-rampage-OF-Roar/spear-BB-Rampage-BB-avatar

I think it's just minor optimisation (which probably doesn't matter) but you can sneak in an extra BB before avatar runs out if you got bloodlust right? I might be remembering wrong

[snow edge]

This is a BIG question

There it is

[edgy widget]

this is why I suggested going off of time (the initial Avatar buff) instead of going off GCDs

[olive wraith]

You kinda just gotta follow prio when lusted cause gcd are shorter. You’ll have more rage and stuff

[edgy widget]

like I said earlier, the reason we suggest using it when the initial 4s Avatar buff falls off isn't about Avatar itself, it's just an easy guideline for something that players don't normally track (OF DoT/DB duration), and min/maxing it an extra second in either direction will not make a profound difference

so, you can use whatever method works best for you, but I just have an Avatar duration weak aura, and slap my Avatar button when the initial buff is <1s

[quiet geyser]

@spare otter to answer your question though, yes, you can do 2 BB's in avatar's 4 second window from the initial OF

[spare otter]

Ok yea I was just going off the initial 4 second avatar buff. I'm pretty sure I'm sneaking it in at like less than <1

[edgy widget]

Yeah, good addition - as long as they're still buffed by Avatar, go right ahead

the only thing you're trying to avoid is your initial Avatar buff falling, and then using Bloodbath or whatever, before you Avatar again - in that case you'd be missing out on the extra 20% dam on those big buffed Bloodbaths

[olive wraith]

Not sure if it’s a big diff if you end up missing 1 seconds of avatar

Over the course of a fight

[quiet geyser]

its more about just making sure your enhanced BB's are avatar'ed

i just made that word up

rolling with it

[olive wraith]

Good word

It’s stolen

[spare otter]

Yea it's definitely not but if the option is there might as well go with it

Nice little 1s optimisation there

I'm coming for that rank 1 parse

[calm mantle]

If I buy a transmog from a vendor and resell it to the vendor do I lose the transmog?

[spare otter]

(I'm not)

[covert coyote]

yeah with ava off gcd it's free damage optimization

[hard warren]

are we going vers mastery and not haste mastery?

[edgy widget]

it also really doesn't matter if you drop TR after OF or after Avatar either btw, it'll be fully buffed regardless, though if you're using Spear you always want it earlier

[olive wraith]

Generally yes. But sim

[subtle raven]

archi any news on the ptr fam

[edgy widget]

the 10.2.5 PTR? it's basically done; patch comes out in like 10 days

[hard warren]

o alright ben stacking haste and mastery yikes

[subtle raven]

any new stuff for us

[spare otter]

Oh another question

[edgy widget]

lol na, not a damn thing

[spare otter]

This is a good one actually

[subtle raven]

damn back to depression

[pliant obsidian]

silver i think when you start shedding haste i see lots of peeps now using wafting enchants on both weps maybe thats why

[olive wraith]

You should be simming we never wanted exclusively those 2 stats

[hard warren]

i have 6.5k haste woith sofi on both weps

[hard relic]

yes new RGB chroma fornite vbucks skin for spear

[olive wraith]

It’s diff for people. I’m wafting/earthen

[subtle raven]

💀

[spare otter]

So with smolderon on the 2nd intermission, you've gotta gate and I can only get 1 BB (2max) before I gotta gate. Is it worth holding the CDs after gating? The issue with that tho I've have like 2-3 seconds left of smolderon buff.

[edgy widget]

TRUE I forgot about that
#fury message

Color fits War perfectly 💩

[quiet geyser]

we know now for science, reworks > getting a legendary

[edgy widget]

if you bait the orbs properly, you should have a little extra time

I throw my cooldowns immediately and just toss a Rampage before I gate out, then leap back in before Rampage falls

[spare otter]

I'm not entirely sure where to bait orbs for 2nd intermission

[edgy widget]

same place

[spare otter]

Oh

That's why then lol

[edgy widget]

you don't have to go out quite as far, since the timing lines up a bit better on its own

[spare otter]

I was doing it halfway

[edgy widget]

but there's no real reason not to either

you're not going to lose a cast or anything over the course of the fight, so bait them out a little to help your own alignment - remember the buff doesn't end when intermission does