#fury
hasty path
dire badge
wraith maple
disregard LA, they need to be ping locked tbh
young swan
mild kraken
Let me know the release date
wraith maple
i cant take another azralon bm hunter
clever path
lego was a 12k dps upgrade
bold raven
True
hasty path
and moonkin players have no brain on average
Warrior talking
wraith maple
you would too if you had uncapped 80 yard aoe
hasty path
open prairie
just because tettles has to lose to tanks on overall every patch
open prairie
doesnt mean every boomy has to
wild mural
we're doing it btw
wild mural
open prairie
wild mural
488 btw
wraith maple
if you want smf just delete your warrior and roll a rogue tf
open prairie
can you at least wraithchill the weps
oblique trail
I will be a WW main now because it got buffed so it'll surely be fun to play
oblique trail
Because damage numbers correlates to fun had
eternal sundial
Because damage numbers correlates to fun had
very real
playing non dogshit tuned spec fun
bold raven
I will be a WW main now because it got buffed so it'll surely be fun to play
unplayable until faeline stomp is removed
open prairie
I will be a WW main now because it got buffed so it'll surely be fun to play
enjoy faeline stomp
wild mural
POV 240 sim <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
pure echo
Sadge. When I saw legendary hotfix I assumed it would be increased chance of it dropping for those actually doing mythic or something, as opposed to people that created a plate class and got carried through heroic fyrakk in greens and blues. 😐
wild mural
false
oblique trail
Because I've already played multiple tiers of DH
hasty path
Sadge. When I saw legendary hotfix I assumed it would be increased chance of it ...
Do u have CE sir
open prairie
wait which tiers
oblique trail
Uldir, Nyalotha, Vault
pure echo
Do u have CE sir
Not yet. Still disappointing to see some guilds have 3+ dps with it, and us with 2 (1 on tank)
hasty path
i learned on dh alt a few days ago that you die in the circle spot under fyrak
Want to find out how that happened in my guild
pure echo
Betting our 3rd goes to Hpal lmao
open prairie
lmao how
wild mural
Not yet. Still disappointing to see some guilds have 3+ dps with it, and us with...
my guild has 1
open prairie
i thought i was big brain backflipping through it
wild mural
but we only have 4 people who can use it
open prairie
my guild has 1
we have 1 and its on the healer
wild mural
pure echo
Dumb system is dumb. I wish we never had unique weapons. It just creates a point of contention where you feel bad if you don’t have it, and good if you get it like week 1-4
wild mural
Dumb system is dumb. I wish we never had unique weapons. It just creates a point...
dont lie I dont feel good at this game
bye bye axe hello dagger
it's time
pure echo
Every unique weapon we had in the last 2 expacs a were leggos with purple text.
edgy widget
Every unique weapon we had in the last 2 expacs a were leggos with purple text.
That’s not even remotely true
pure echo
Ok, but gavel was
edgy widget
A lot of them have been op, sure, but not all of them
And the issue there is that some of them have just been too strong
pure echo
Gavel was extraordinarily strong compared to everything else.
edgy widget
Not that the system as a whole is bad
pure echo
I’m talking about the leggo system exactly.
edgy widget
Yes gavel was too strong, it was known to be too strong
pure echo
I feel like there should be a better rate of return for those clearing mythic farm weekly
old current
The frostfire legguards still bis for m+? or the allied wrist and shadowflame cloak still the best 2 embellish if you wanna do some high keys?
edgy widget
Jaithys wasn’t, ashkandur wasn’t
open prairie
ashkandur was funny
edgy widget
I feel like there should be a better rate of return for those clearing mythic fa...
There is, it has an additional chance to drop as group loot on M
open prairie
niche gain vs humanoids
edgy widget
And lesser embers
dire badge
explaining the jaithys mechanic was omega fun every day
pure echo
Ashkandur was pretty strong against humanoids. Not gavel strong, but still strong
dire badge
and then arguing if 4 or 5 was the better option 
pure echo
End boss was humanoid tho!
open prairie
why would a ret be under there
edgy widget
Still 3% is 3%
open prairie
mfs have long arms
hasty path
Idk man lmao
edgy widget
And last boss also had a lot of AoE, which ashkandur didn’t contribute to
pure echo
I just dislike getting something strong after the need for something strong has passed.
wild mural
It's time
hasty path
That was literally less than 12 hours after the raid launched thoufh
open prairie
i still dont have that
pure echo
Also maybe just annoyed that I might not see one until end of feb/March since i’m taking a 2 week vacation to Hawaii beginning of feb. 😐
edgy widget
I just dislike getting something strong after the need for something strong has ...
You can say that about normal drops from the final boss(es) too
pure echo
Yeah, augury still eludes me.
open prairie
pure echo
Maybe it’s getting older but I want like a perma dinar system or something to ensure work over time=value eventually. Nobody can quantify the leggo ember system currently so the benefits could be faux for all we know.
pure echo
This is top tier
tulip swallow
My only other experience with BLP was legion legendaries and they may as well have been deterministic
pure echo
They weren’t at the start
tulip swallow
I'm sure they have it rigged to give a larger boost after x amount of embers
pure echo
Luckily I didn’t play during the beginning of legion, but If I played at this level then I’d have likely HATED it
past pivot
The frostfire legguards still bis for m+? or the allied wrist and shadowflame cl...
Legs were never bis this patch.
hollow elk
Or we could like not make the axe a Lego. Make it drop like a normal weapon and just let it drop off vaults too.
past pivot
Or we could like not make the axe a Lego. Make it drop like a normal weapon and ...
God no.
pure echo
No thanks. No more rng
warm crag
yes please more rng
mild kraken
I love RNG!!!
hollow elk
Why. The things barely a legendary
clever path
sooo
if i didnt get lege on heroic today from Fyrrak, can i attempt to do it on normal / lfr ?
or its just like, not how it works
clever path
archi i didnt know you were a vet ❤️
mild kraken
What if the leggo never existed and we just did dh damage instead?
past pivot
if i didnt get lege on heroic today from Fyrrak, can i attempt to do it on norma...
You can attempt it if you want but you can’t get it until next week. That’s confirmed.
However, you can kill him on mythic still and have a chance
clever path
Im not gonna lie, i dont like raiding at all and hence im just buying fyrrak kills with gold, just beause i hate raiding since cata
m+ is where its at
i did normal and heroic tho' just for the phat loots
past pivot
Don’t like punctuation either apparently
untold moth
Anyone know, annecdotally, someone who only has Normal clears since week 1 getting the leggo yet? I'm down bad on our guilds heroic prog, we're stuck on larodar
past pivot
Anyone know, annecdotally, someone who only has Normal clears since week 1 getti...
People getting it on lfr.
Try pugging it.
arctic prawn
yo new in discord, how does the leggo on-use fit into our rotation, or do i just not think that hard about it?
buoyant salmon
Don’t like punctuation either apparently
punctuation is cringe
oblique trail
yo new in discord, how does the leggo on-use fit into our rotation, or do i just...
There's a pin going over this and the different timings for when you'd use it
arctic prawn
cool ill check it out thanks
oblique trail
But basically just outside of your CDs, either before or after doesn't matter too much, in theory
rich palm
Just started M Smolderon and playing with spear even if I pop it asap it's not up in time for intermission. Or right at end when the circles make it impossible to stand in it. Have the nerfs made spear poo or is it a me issue 🤔
oblique trail
On Smolderon you do Reck + Charge -> Ramp -> Avatar + Spear
This way you get all your 1:30 CDs out asap, and have them ready towards the latter half of the intermission
past pivot
Do you run spear or roar on M Smoldy?
rich palm
spear
oblique trail
To align the damage buff as well, you delay picking up the orbs by placing them further out on the platform. Critcake has a video for where to place them if you look on his channel
rich palm
Cool thanks, just seems timing is really bad for me atm. it comes up right at end when I can't really stand in it lol.
wanton mirage
And pray for Augury procs during intermission..
oblique trail
Unless your raid leader is very much against it, you can pop ER right before the ring hits you while you're in Spear
Then as ER runs out, pop SR
This way you can sustain yourself through it, assuming that no orbs went through
warm crag
if you leap out with the correct timing you dont lose too much spear uptime either way and still hit your buffed bbs on the boss
rich palm
Ah I will try, only had a few pulls tonight so still getting the feel of it. Thanks for the help.
grand condor
Cool thanks, just seems timing is really bad for me atm. it comes up right at en...
It feels super bad for the first two intermissions but it lines up extremely well for the last two intermissions where you'll have lust and pot
edgy widget
Ah I will try, only had a few pulls tonight so still getting the feel of it. Tha...
I would very much recommend simply playing Roar, especially if you’re still learning the fight
coarse nest
I started sitting in the ring for spear
edgy widget
You’ll get more consistent results, with less danger to dying from trying to maximize spear
coarse nest
Monk cocooned me every time
oblique trail
You don't really need externals to live it
edgy widget
I started sitting in the ring for spear
That’s fine for people who have it on farm, but again not recommended for people still progging the fight
edgy widget
You can survive it, but you don’t need to, better to save those cooldowns for actually beating the fight
Then worry about scumming dps once you’re on farm
oblique trail
As Fury the only other time I'd perhaps want ER would be for the soak healing absorb
But even then you can just use IV then half the shield is gone
edgy widget
You don’t really need ER for healing absorb, but it’s useful if healers die, if you hit tornados, or if you get hit by world in flames at unintended times
coarse nest
Our group struggled with healer absorbs so for a while during progression I would use ER on the fast sets if I got picked
But it just so happen that on our kill pull I used it to be in my spear
And it worked out
edgy widget
The point remains the same - scumming your and other people’s defensive CDs for 1% dps on a prog fight is selfish and stupid
Do it on farm, sure, but it’s absolutely bad prog advice
rich palm
Thanks so much for all the advice, much appreciated.
edgy widget
If it was like a 5% optimization, maybe, but spear is only like 1-2% ahead of Roar at this point
Even condensed into that burst period. Smolderon’s damage check just isn’t high enough to warrant wasting cooldowns to playing risky
oblique trail
I'd say the difference is a lot bigger on Smolderon when a lot of your damage is inside of the small damage window you got in each intermission
And when you have guaranteed crits on your already very hard hitting BBs
edgy widget
Not as much as you’d think, Roar also does good direct damage
coarse nest
In my case if I did not sit in my spear my dps was like 30k lower
edgy widget
It’s still only a couple % overall
oblique trail
I've tried Roar for a few pulls, it's not bad for sure
coarse nest
It was much easier for me personally to sit in spear
wild mural
im bad at this fight lol
oblique trail
But swapped back to Spear again when I got used to the fight
edgy widget
It was much easier for me personally to sit in spear
Yeah easier because you’re ignoring mechanics lol, but again that’s wasting defensive CDs
Both yours and the monks, plus probably other healers you don’t notice
oblique trail
I'm very consistent at dodging flame waves and other avoidable damage, so I don't feel the need to save ER
coarse nest
I get what you’re saying, but again planning for it isn’t necessarily ignoring mechanics
edgy widget
Again, prog advice =! Farm advice
coarse nest
And it made me do a lot more dps
oblique trail
I'm still 6/9
edgy widget
I get what you’re saying, but again planning for it isn’t necessarily ignoring m...
It literally is lol
oblique trail
Because of holidays
clever path
i feel like the best prog advice is usually "dont jank mechanics just do them right" lol
edgy widget
Planning to survive it doesn’t mean you’re not still spending resources on it
tepid scroll
Don’t we miss the first damage amp in smold by like ten seconds?
At least on heroic
edgy widget
This is the most selfish line of thinking lmao
oblique trail
Don’t we miss the first damage amp in smold by like ten seconds?
Not if you delay picking up the orbs
edgy widget
Someone else might need that cocoon; mistakes do happen - esp on prog - even if you’re not the one making them
oblique trail
Standing on Red for first intermission as he does the slam, and on blue for the second intermission, the orbs will be in the middle by the time you got your CDs back
This works for both Mythic and HC
Just don't jump as he does the slam or you go to Narnia (the lava)
ember apex
from shadowlands to now, i think smolderon is my least favorite boss
edgy widget
And to be frank, that kind of selfish attitude is why groups often spend longer on prog than they should
My group has similar issues with the orbs, hunters and other mobile dps trying to snipe the first clear while melee and healers kite for 30s - it’s just selfish and hurts the group
ember apex
i honestly prefered SLG to this
tepid scroll
Wait so the orbs spawn where you were during knockback so further back is easier delay time?
edgy widget
Wait so the orbs spawn where you were during knockback so further back is easier...
Orbs jettison from you
oblique trail
Wait so the orbs spawn where you were during knockback so further back is easier...
They basically spawn from where you land after the knockback
edgy widget
They don’t spawn where you are, they literally come out of your character
ember apex
also something i noticed
edgy widget
Which is why you also don’t want to be moving while they’re jettisoning, or they’ll be in a trickled line
dapper goblet
play corrupted flask on smolderon or you're a coward
edgy widget
E.g. don’t be charging or leaping while they’re coming out
coarse nest
Xeos we actually had 9 people using it during prog
ember apex
if ur super far back and u allow the knock back to push u out over the lava and heroic leap back in.
the orbs will flay out more horizontally
oblique trail
Yeah, just stand still for a sec or so after the knock and you're fine
edgy widget
play corrupted flask on smolderon or you're a coward
It’s pretty worthless - almost guaranteed to drop during buff period
coarse nest
RL was like for real guys when he noticed
ember apex
E.g. don’t be charging or leaping while they’re coming out
i heroic leap in mid air during knockback to cancel it out
coarse nest
lol
edgy widget
i heroic leap in mid air during knockback to cancel it out
Better to do a short leap out and let the kb push you to the edge
ember apex
so
edgy widget
That way orbs spawn where you want them
edgy widget
Correct
edgy widget
Eh, if you do it right you should have like 5s buff time to spare
coarse nest
You can get a few globals in while he’s running to the middle, once he leaps into the air you leap to the knockback spot you want to be at
edgy widget
You don’t need to go out to the lava
ember apex
yeah i have 7s
exactly 7s
but if im closer
its like 5 yeah
for the first at least
after that its easier
my best % is 0.9% on this boss
edgy widget
Yeah the lineup gets easier in later phases, though I still recommend baiting out for each one
ember apex
no matter what happens i will never feel like i mastered this boss
edgy widget
Also pop your first pot early
ember apex
thats why i hate it
edgy widget
Around 1:16 is ideal
It’ll last through the first buff period and come up in time for last set of buffs
ember apex
u could kind of learn the quirks from stone legion generals and all that
but this boss the orange on orange and red is just
they could have made the ground black like it's charred, made the portals like sun white/bright yellow and kept fire tornados orange
the swirlies should just be absolute circles
b/c they arent gradients of damage and knockback effect
its the same effect of being hit on the edge or on the middle of it
which means it shouldnt be a swirly
coarse nest
And to be frank, that kind of selfish attitude is why groups often spend longer ...
I’m actually surprised at this, does your group not make people follow the WA?
edgy widget
I’m actually surprised at this, does your group not make people follow the WA?
It’s a macro now, and we do
But the order is based on who hits it first
And if you have selfish players sniping it the second it appears, they go first
coarse nest
We just followed the WA and when a healer or known dps that struggled got it we would adjust
ember apex
And if you have selfish players sniping it the second it appears, they go first
sniping 'it' being the orb or the macro
edgy widget
E.g the selfish player hits the macro ASAP so they’re first on the list and immediately pops it
edgy widget
sniping 'it' being the orb or the macro
Both
ember apex
oh i snipe the macro but i wait for the call
coarse nest
Ohh I get what you’re saying
edgy widget
Yeah you should
ember apex
like im not supposed to sit on pressing the macro?
coarse nest
Yeah our group was a race to hit macro first as well
edgy widget
Or just hold off on hitting the macro for half a second
coarse nest
No patience
edgy widget
There are multiple ways to do it
warm crag
why would you wait for the call on the WA
edgy widget
But the point is to give a second and adjust for slower people
clever path
you have just enough time to cast spear on fyrakk during the circle phase to be able to set it on the edge before he gets pulled to the side again
edgy widget
Or else you have very mobile classes going first and immobile ones kiting forever
ember apex
and he just goes off macro WA
warm crag
the wa does it for you why would you need someone to read it out
limber sleet
hey i read the pin but do i press fyralath inside of avatar/reck window? specifically looking at keys since i can't easily check logs there
coarse nest
Yeah as a melee I would hover my macro button (on my mouse) right before the cast so I was ready to try and get it first or 2nd
ember apex
we just do it that way
coarse nest
But you can’t always control it
plush ice
thats weird that you just have whoever presses it first go
oblique trail
you have just enough time to cast spear on fyrakk during the circle phase to be...
There is no point where you'd want to use Spear on Fyrakk with how much movement there is
coarse nest
Because they attach to players slightly staggered
plush ice
our RL just calls out regardless of who presses it first
ember apex
thats weird that you just have whoever presses it first go
we have ppl do that if the person calling it forgets or is slow
clever path
There is no point where you'd want to use Spear on Fyrakk with how much movement...
i use it and do fine, ive gotten the timing down pretty well
plush ice
usually heals first, then melee then ranged
oblique trail
With how close Spear and Roar is, and that the times you use Roar adds are spread out further than what Spear will consistently hit (and movement again), there's just no point in running Spear
coarse nest
Yeah as a melee I would hover my macro button (on my mouse) right before the cas...
And if I saw my healer in the WA list and I was first I’d call for them to go and I’d go last
warm crag
our RL just calls out regardless of who presses it first
this is terrible lol
ember apex
the orbs dont come out at the same time
plush ice
why?
ember apex
theres a little stagger
warm crag
maybe its fine post nerf but you just did not have time for that
clever path
With how close Spear and Roar is, and that the times you use Roar adds are sprea...
i get it, ill try roar for next time and see how it goes
plush ice
it kinda prevents the thing that archie was just talking about
ember apex
the order will always be who gets it
warm crag
the faster you solve the balls the faster you kill the boss
plush ice
i mean, it was fine w/ the 4 orbs too
the orbs dont matter
when it was 4 orbs it didn't matter
the only thing that matters is dodging
coarse nest
We had a mage who would literally turret with the orb on them.. being 1st or 2nd and it completely fucked the people next in line
plush ice
if you could get to smolderon early, you had plenty of time to resolve orbs, the number of wipes to orbs is miniscule compared to getting hit by flames hehe
coarse nest
Instead of doing the soak asap
oblique trail
Solving the orbs matters a lot when you have people who also have to do the tank soak and move into a decent position with flame waves
plush ice
so, maybe like the 2nd week
but now
like, it sucks for that particular person
but its not a tight dps check
sometimes that dude just wouldn't soak, and it sucks for them
but like, it really would'nt have much to do w/ killing the boss
oblique trail
Wdym it sucks for that particular person
oblique trail
Ok but at that point you're literally griefing the prog
clever path
you updated your bio from pile on banezi
oblique trail
I didn't
plush ice
why? its not a healing buff or anything
oblique trail
I just lost nitro
clever path
do you need a gifted one
oblique trail
no
warm crag
yes give him nitro immediately
i cannot handle it if he doesnt change his pfp secondly
clever path
i was offering lol
oblique trail
why? its not a healing buff or anything
Because on prog people are still shit at optimising damage most of the time so less damage done is overall going to be worse for killing the boss, even post nerfs
On prog you are also more likely to have people just straight up be dead on kill pulls
plush ice
but in a world where 4 people dont get hit by that thing for whatever reason, but no one dies to waves and no orbs hit you kill it anyways
oblique trail
Resolve orbs faster, gives people more time to position better, leads to better baits and easier dodges of flame waves
plush ice
i'm not saying thats like the plan or anything hehe i'm simply saying, dodging is the hard part
idk, maybe in range land if it was late, idk why they couldn't just kite towards the back of the boss, maybe thats what they did
clever path
just stop tunneling, EZ
plush ice
i know i just kinda circle the boss while leaving the lane open for the healing debuff people to go
oblique trail
Like there's just no shot that it's not better to just have people use their eyes and do the soaks without having to wait for calls
And just get it over with
clever path
ive noticed people are more worried about their parse than doing mechanics and being alive
plush ice
i think if things were super slow if other people weren't paying atteiton you'd have to like, go behidn the other melee to keep it kited, which could lead to a bit of a bad bait if you got unlucky, but thats like, a pretty niche thing
oblique trail
I'm not gonna sit and wait for my RL to call out "Banezi soak" when I can just see I'm next in line to soak, so I go do it as the debuff runs out
plush ice
well no, i mean, even then i guess you could kite it behind them on into ranged land, idk, we always called our melee quick
so i never had to do any weird caslistics like that hehe
warm crag
yeah but relying on a RL call means you gotta wait for the call
left perch
ive noticed people are more worried about their parse than doing mechanics and b...
there is no reward associated with mechanics and aliveness in social groups
warm crag
if a WA solves it for you you solve it as fast as you can manage
oblique trail
I've had to do weird ass movement because people are taking 6 years to soak their orbs
Which is just horrible
plush ice
yeah, but i'm saying theres so muuch time even w/ 4, the problem isn't you are running out of time
clever path
there is no reward associated with mechanics and aliveness in social groups
ill flame someone if they keep dying to something stupid
plush ice
the problem is the 4th persons life sucks
warm crag
there is absolutely not so much time
if an orb gets delayed into the next orb set or into the intermission you have failed miserably
left perch
ill flame someone if they keep dying to something stupid
yea but that doesn't impact parses at all
wild mural
soon surely
left perch
if you keep dying you aren't parsing
plush ice
actually
clever path
yea but that doesn't impact parses at all
youre saying dying doesnt effect a parse?
warm crag
the orb can go into the intermission
it fundamentally cannot if the boss was tuned properly
plush ice
ah
warm crag
but the fourth orb being removed still doesnt mean you can troll the orbs its still good to solve it quickly
oblique trail
stop using corrupting rage immediately
plush ice
so its happened to me before, i had to kite during intermission one time, it sucked, i didn't like 0 dmg cause i was worried about that and not my flame p lacement
but like
it wasn't a wipe or anything
warm crag
stop using corrupted rage immediately you little rat man
oblique trail
Just because you didn't wipe doesn't mean it was good
clever path
"but my parse"
oblique trail
When you know for a fact that you can avoid having to do that altogether
by simply resolving it faster
clever path
thats pretty troll lol
oblique trail
Rather have consistency than someone occasionally having to do some cringe movement to kite their orbs for 10 days, miss out on the soak or place flame waves in some awful position
wild mural
stop using corrupting rage immediately
no
oblique trail
yes
warm crag
i will crush you into a little ball
wild mural
please do (in game)
neon nacelle
oblique trail
yes
atomic nymph
Pog finally gnarl OH
keen forum
im 487 but gotta be some 488ers out there
atomic nymph
2 slots from 483 to 489 and i'm a 488er
clever path
jesus, do you have 2 warrior on tauren mill Lindwar?
atomic nymph
No but i saw that as well, it's fucked
clever path
yeah some level 62 is the other one lol
atomic nymph
What were you going to check?
olive wraith
Just get 2 leggo
coarse nest
I’m missing Lego though so not far behind
atomic nymph
Yeah i've had... some luck this tier, as well as being somewhat priod for loot
clever path
just looking at stats, and crafted items
atomic nymph
Also full sockets, UI just doesnt show
clever path
does hero track aug drop from normal?
atomic nymph
yeah thats norm aug
coarse nest
Lind what do you quick sim? Curious
clever path
makes sense, i was wondering why mine was mythic
forget last 2 drop higher ilvl, but didnt know it was a different ilvl track
atomic nymph
Well lego will get you close if not past me then
coarse nest
Also need an augury
atomic nymph
7 ilvl on mh + 3.9% + 1.5% from leggo
clever path
lego is only 1.5% increase?
atomic nymph
Nah it's in 2 parts, 3.9% and 1.5%
clever path
i guess thats like over 20k if you have 200k dps
hasty tree
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSbsrJUFBKgHRo8Kmptgm6
what did leggy change to your sim? just askin cause i sim with 487 without leggy around 225k
indigo quarry
1% of 200k is ?
summer quail
i guess thats like over 20k if you have 200k dps
leggo was 10k dps for me
clever path
1% of 200k is ?
20k
oblique trail
That's not how %'s work
clever path
whats 1% of 100k
oblique trail
1k
atomic nymph
what did leggy change to your sim? just askin cause i sim with 487 without leggy...
It was too long ago to give any valuable input
summer quail
hasty tree
It was too long ago to give any valuable input
ok thanks anyway 😄
clever path
10x10=100
coarse nest
7 ilvl on mh + 3.9% + 1.5% from leggo
oblique trail
correct so 10k * 10 = 100k
clever path
can you droptimizer the lego
atomic nymph
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wVmR41oZGDVt873FTBUGxx
Fyr'alath the Dreamrender (496)
main_hand=,id=206448,enchant_id=6643,bonus_id=10351/9495/1468
Just add this to your sim and check
oblique trail
You can gear compare it
clever path
shiot, not home atm
atomic nymph
shiot, not home atm
Ill run it for u
clever path
do i need anything
fast crest
anyone got high level tips for tindral
slim coral
Don't die
coarse nest
Live
fast crest
should i always save odyn's or avatar for roots
slim coral
Don't double soak
fast crest
fire bombing relatively straight forward?
fast crest
wow 10x more stacks
digital plover
sinful spoke
What
forest rose
olive wraith
The aoe is gooder now
hard widget
I DEMAND NAPKIN MATH
modest condor
2+2=4
humble plover
Felt like I slammed tandril roots last night and that explains it
hard widget
10x 5% aoe dmg 50% BUFF!?
hard widget
@modest condor U heared it here first
fast crest
lol
hard widget
Kekw
modest condor
now we just need to get algathar back so we can make use of it
oh wait
you die to swirly if you use leggo on that pull
hard widget
now we just need to get algathar back so we can make use of it
Dw sanguine in EB gotchu covered bro
U'll have plenty time to apply stacks
humble plover
Drag a 50 stack of dreadpetals in sang all key Lol
modest condor
this is just the damage gain from having more enemies with the dot
hard widget
Oh lols
olive wraith
We can pad even harder in brackenhide
tepid scroll
Any idea about how big of buff the increased stacks is?
modest condor
well it's additive 10% for every enemy above 5
so realistically, it really doesnt do anything 95% of the time
humble plover
Yo but that 5%
compact knot
500% damage increase
dense veldt
Please help - for refrence I mostly play m+. What to choose?
compact knot
holy fuck
tulip swallow
now all they need to do is make it not split damage and it will perform as advertised
hard widget
500% damage increase
In all those 50 mob pulls u'll do so much more!!!
tepid scroll
Well I don't even have it yet 😂 so rip
compact knot
Please help - for refrence I mostly play m+. What to choose?
well your best option to sim, but with the current trinkets you have, if you mostly m+ id say pips isnt bad for m+
coarse nest
Can’t wait to gain this buff on the 9 mob* pulls I see in 24s
inland flame
Please help - for refrence I mostly play m+. What to choose?
Only real options are Pips or myth shoulders for M+. Are those your M+ trinkets you have on in that screenshot?
plush juniper
Please help - for refrence I mostly play m+. What to choose?
Sim, my guess would be Rezans based on my own sim between a myth track Rezans vs a Hero track Pips
inland flame
Rezan's is good for ST but bad for M+.
Depends on what you want to focus on I suppose.
coarse nest
Passing up a 489 rezans is pretty rough if you raid at all
dense veldt
I've been real unlucky with trinkets - no raid trinks basicly. I have a Hero quality Ember of Nullification
compact knot
489 rezans can be better than 489 augury and rezans is rarer
humble plover
Leggo gonna slam in wc no? With all the worms
coarse nest
I would go rezans
compact knot
but only 3 ST bosses in the raid and augury clears it in any sort of aoe
dense veldt
I feel like Rezan is rare aswell, therefore im hesitant to let it pass
atomic nymph
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1JKkhSZc5rEN2nvcuaB22t
Holy i am big dumb
dense veldt
Yeah, I want a oceans
dense veldt
Farm oceans and stick with Rezans from vault?
modest condor
what kind of keylevels are you doing?
because imo rezan isnt worth it unless you're pushing title range, and even then there is better with augury
dense veldt
I simmed alot - rezans dominant for ST - Pip's dominant for aoe
plush juniper
Isnt augury difficult to acquire in raid though because everyone rolls on it?
modest condor
yes
dense veldt
Rezan's sims better than Augury
modest condor
depends on your gear, the end goal is augury
plush juniper
Vs here Rezans is sitting there asking to be taken at myth level
compact knot
Rezan's sims better than Augury
that can be normal sometime in ST
modest condor
i mean it's not like the other options are particularly exciting
pips is good in m+ but it's hero track
dense veldt
Isnt augury difficult to acquire in raid though because everyone rolls on it?
yep, if it even drops
modest condor
so it's either rezan or socket
coarse nest
Yeah he definitely should not pass the 489 rezans
plush juniper
But for this person's vault, its obvious to just take the biggest upgrade
plush juniper
I dont think anything else will be an upgrade anyways
coarse nest
But signet requires 5+ minute fights
modest condor
But signet requires 5+ minute fights
not if you stack it up in 1 minute
dense veldt
shoulders I get easier later
coarse nest
not if you stack it up in 1 minute <:keks:936231610850897992>
Is that even possible
compact knot
the ring might be depending on ur secondarys
plush juniper
But signet requires 5+ minute fights
So tyrannical EB last boss 
coarse nest
Holy moly
dense veldt
alright, ty for help - been undecisive all day, heh
dry holly
just get very lucky and continually attack random critters / dolls
coarse nest
If you could stack that in 1 minute
modest condor
extremely unlikely but i've had it stacked up in 1:30 before
coarse nest
Big number
modest condor
trying to find my log but wcl is dying as usual
compact knot
Is that even possible
i got 15 in like 1:50 on my nymue kill
dry holly
running signet in short encounters is like playing a gacha game
modest condor
not quite 1:30 but close http://puu.sh/JY4qE/9ea051cca6.png
coarse nest
I’ll have to look through my logs haha
modest condor
did 6.8% of my damage on that kill
coarse nest
That is massive!
modest condor
still not bad either
compact knot
i dropped (?) stacks
coarse nest
15 stacks under 2 minutes is very good
hard widget
because imo rezan isnt worth it unless you're pushing title range, and even then...
I used Rezan's today 😄
compact knot
wait nvm
modest condor
skill issue
summer quail
just loot it
hard widget
skill issue
Coach me for getting augury? Also coach me to get leggo please
modest condor
Coach me for getting augury? Also coach me to get leggo please
the secret to getting augury is just looting it
idk how to get lego
hard widget
idk how to get lego
You and me both brother
fast mural
you get more rolls this way
modest condor
olive wraith
Ah yes the .000000001% roll
fast mural
shouldnt it be a higher chance once you get a bunch of BLP
hard widget
Ah yes the .000000001% roll
Someone won the lottery with those odds so yea
olive wraith
shouldnt it be a higher chance once you get a bunch of BLP
Yes every week the drop chance gets higher assuming you loot some form of blp
coarse nest
.1% increase every week
hard widget
Kekw
coarse nest
fast mural
i thought by this time everyone is gonna have it
chilly fractal
you thought
hard widget
Just follow the trend, say next week i'll loot it for sure
fast mural
i didnt realize how insanely lucky i was
chilly fractal
in under 2 months
coarse nest
I keep seeing everyone else get it
olive wraith
I mean it’s a legendary
coarse nest
That’s the problem
fast mural
i got it week 3
hard widget
I mean it’s a legendary
It might aswell been an epic with how good it is zZzZ
fast mural
and thats why i thought BLP is realy high
hard widget
Gimme gavel
coarse nest
I want a buyendary
chilly fractal
Gavel
olive wraith
Damage increase is damage increase
coarse nest
When do those come out?
olive wraith
I’ll take anything
modest condor
when everybody started spamming legendaries the 2nd week it was available i thought the blp would be high
but it doesnt feel like the rate has increased since then
sinful spoke
idk how to get lego
Get 12 lessers and then a 13th from tindrap
fast mural
they have to stop giving 2h strengh classes OP weapons and balance them on their own
modest condor
also true
hard widget
"introducing next week's update!"
"Get 5 greater BLP items with your 500 trading tenders!"
modest condor
stop with the weird special effects on weapons
we have trinkets for the weird special effects
fast mural
2nd time they "buffed" them by a weapon
olive wraith
Is anyone actually collecting data
coarse nest
2h classes should just be top 5 before OP weapons
earnest grail
so can anyone explain how the lesser ember and greater ember system works
fast mural
loook what happened in vault with hunter bow
coarse nest
I mean I agree
modest condor
no because blizzard hasnt explained anything so honestly it's just guesswork
coarse nest
Being tuned around legendary doesn’t exactly make it legendary does it
fast mural
so can anyone explain how the lesser ember and greater ember system works
you need to ask blizzar
coarse nest
L bozo
olive wraith
so can anyone explain how the lesser ember and greater ember system works
It increases the drop chance of the legendary by an unknown amount
humble plover
Being tuned around legendary doesn’t exactly make it legendary does it
Right? Should be competitive then leggo makes you broken
coarse nest
Exactly
leaden dome
are there sims with BiS gear + leggo and without leggo ? i would like to know how much dps increase the leggo is for fury in st and aoe
coarse nest
Stupid it doesn’t make you top damage
fading bane
calm swallow
Same
fringe flame
Is it worth it to run lower difficulties (do they even drop?) for lesser fragments?
fast mural
everyone wants the legendary but once they get to the quest they will despair
modest condor
no
rigid stirrup
threading the needle last night https://streamable.com/cy7doe
past pivot
so can anyone explain how the lesser ember and greater ember system works
Yes. They're participation trophies. You likely get BLP added upon kill.
modest condor
you get all the lesser fragments from the highest difficulty you clear anyway
hard widget
you get all the lesser fragments from the highest difficulty you clear anyway
Dont listen to him! He wants to be the only one with the legendary!
(thats a joke inbefore people take this serious)
modest condor
but i dont even have a legendary 
fast mural
you get both for some reason
coarse nest
Nish proved heroic does normal and lfr roll separately
chilly fractal
something to remember it with
coarse nest
Imagine
hard widget
maybe you can get 2 for fury
I'd take 5 grams of what ur smoking please
chilly fractal
in S4 just let us Dinar it lol
fast mural
kinda funny how gorehowl is "unique equipped " but not the leggo
past pivot
Nish proved heroic does normal and lfr roll separately
No one "proved" anything. Like saying people "proved" Bigfoot" helped build Atlantis.
hard widget
No one "proved" anything. Like saying people "proved" Bigfoot" helped build Atla...
Who else build Atlantis?
coarse nest
It’s not legendary it’s just an orange text weapon that puts us in the middle of the pack
Woohoo
coarse nest
Rip arms
coarse nest
pliant obsidian
so when you go from lfr to normal heroic raiding we lose our ownage?eww not good
fast mural
wdym
pliant obsidian
i'm tops in most of my lfr encounters but i know that doesnt count but it feels good beating out 480 plus classes
fast mural
i was top dps on mythic nymue today with arms cause i didnt get a single bomb 
RNGesus was with me
modest condor
half the people in lfr dont even have their abilities on their bars
coarse nest
No one "proved" anything. Like saying people "proved" Bigfoot" helped build Atla...
Pls splain to the class how nish looted axe and blp in one roll
pliant obsidian
probably right
coarse nest
chilly fractal
Pls splain to the class how nish looted axe and blp in one roll
Photoshop
fast mural
Pls splain to the class how nish looted axe and blp in one roll
tahts actually a good point
chilly fractal
Checkmate, Atheists
hard widget
half the people in lfr dont even have their abilities on their bars
Who uses defensives and ALL OUR UTILITY anyways kekw
fast mural
i did get both too
lapis lion
it's not actual proof though
modest condor
Who uses defensives and ALL OUR UTILITY anyways kekw
no i ment damage abilities
lapis lion
i get what youre saying, and it does make it seem likely, but you have no actual mechanical under the hood proof
fast mural
it's not actual proof though
thats why we need to work with what we have
past pivot
Pls splain to the class how nish looted axe and blp in one roll
He didn't. He looted the quest item and an ember which is a random visual representation of BLP. He didn't get BLP.
hard widget
no i ment damage abilities
Damage is overrated, we buff others already. Augs dont do dmg either pfff
fast mural
we dont get actuall information on this
north edge
Leggo buffed again
modest condor
had a warrior in a dungeon once that only had slam, hamstring and auto attacks in their damage breakdown
north edge
Still feels bad to prsss
fast mural
Leggo buffed again
afaik its the same buff
pliant obsidian
lol
modest condor
and some passive procs
olive wraith
Hamstring!
coarse nest
had a warrior in a dungeon once that only had slam, hamstring and auto attacks i...
That is my kind of build
fast mural
just confirmed to be in the game now
olive wraith
Lmao
coarse nest
Got a link!?
hard widget
had a warrior in a dungeon once that only had slam, hamstring and auto attacks i...
Mustve been the best kiting the tank has ever had
fast mural
what level dungeon was it
olive wraith
I still love the person who let me know hamstring cleaves for spiteful
tepid scroll
The delayed orb strat on smolderon is pog. Just did 230k dps when in M+ spec on accident
coarse nest
Hamstring cleave is op
olive wraith
Such a good qol tip
tepid scroll
Woulda been even higher in full ST
olive wraith
Well we do get brackenhide and aa coming back
olive wraith
Crit’s group gonna be top dawgs
clever belfry
Crit’s group gonna be top dawgs
fast mural
do they have 2 DHs?
fast mural
olive wraith
Make holy pal equip the leggo
olive wraith
Watch me get the leggo on my ppal first
snow edge
modest condor
ret is just pink arms warrior
mossy fox
north edge
does Crit have leggo yet
olive wraith
I don’t think so
past pivot
I got HC Augury on the warr this week and am scared to do Fry on my ret after gearing her up the past 2 weeks lol.
fast mural
did they forget to enable their streamer client ?
past pivot
I'll wait till Tuesday. If nothing on the warr, I'll go back to trying on the other toons
north edge
I have the leggo on my war and I must say it’s still underwhelming
My friends 480 dh can still gap me in keys
coarse nest
I want it for the sim gains obviously
humble bolt
Its more underwhelming not to have the Leggo
coarse nest
It’s not like I’m going to keybind the on use
clever copper
It’s the transmog for me
coarse nest
olive wraith
Your not gonna use the on use?
north edge
The on use feels good on arms
Since you can avatar during the charge animation
And pop blade storm
But then ur playing arms kekw
coarse nest
Just jokes you gotta use it to be optimal
olive wraith
Too bad it wasn’t just a passive proc
Not as flashy but at least it wouldn’t hinder the rotation
unreal cape
is everyone playing with 2x crushing force this week?
formal ravine
why what's so special this week?
unreal cape
idk, just asking. loooking at critcakes talents and he wasnt running it cuz he took shout
unreal cape
but i wouldn't know what i'd need shout for
formal ravine
no point buffing it by 60%
unreal cape
so what do you take if you dont need shout
formal ravine
How do you not need shout? XD
oblique trail
Crushing Force does next to nothing
unreal cape
idk haha, honestly i havent used it once since S3 start lol
formal ravine
Well start then
oblique trail
It's 2 wasted talent points really
Better off spending them on literally anything else
olive wraith
The higher gear I get the less I need to use slam it seems
unreal cape
ok
olive wraith
So a marginal damage increase to slam is less valuable
nova garnet
@oblique trail cute pfp
olive wraith
Than another aoe stop
formal ravine
Slam aside start using shout, it's an emergency button sometimes and even if you do not use it often, even if someone kicks when you use it you still will probably interrupt something
unreal cape
uhh
formal ravine
It hits 6 targets
oblique trail
Because it's technically the highest throughput talent
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> cute pfp
ty
arctic tinsel
So only upgrades here i have is cloak +500dps or socket 1000dps or take might of the ocean which is simming lower than cata and augury
clever path
Might is bis in m+
past pivot
No. 2 BiS but yeah
nova garnet
Mog is forever
clever path
I would take might
olive wraith
What color is mythic smold axe
past pivot
Only take Might if you do m+
clever path
But depends on if you raid or do keys too
arctic tinsel
Im mythic raiding main trying on tindral now only do 20s for fun and vault
How come might is simming only +458 dps on dungeon slice and lower on 5 targets even
warm crag
the aoe apl is still completely fucked right
past pivot
DS isn't really representative of dungeons. For m+, Augury and Might are BIS
gilded pawn
formal ravine
@olive wraith i firmly believe heroic and lfr look the best, that blue is gorgeous
olive wraith
Lfr mogs are actually really good
clever path
And signet might be assuming you have full stacks
arctic tinsel
I have 489 signet yes
olive wraith
Ya sims don’t drop combat afaik. So you won’t lose signet stacks
unreal cape
so you guys havent been running crushing force 2x for weeks ? lol
i've been using it since S3 start haha
and grab shout + what instead?
tardy lark
it actually does @olive wraith
oblique trail
I go SB + Shout instead
olive wraith
Crushing force is my mobile talent
clever path
terse ether
Which abilities except charge and WW apply Mark ( legendary)
oblique trail
All of them
formal ravine
@unreal cape dunno what else you're not running but i hope it's not storm bolt missing 😄
terse ether
All of them
Even roar & of?
unreal cape
no i got stotrmbolt haha
olive wraith
Hp shout?
terse ether
OF has 8 cap right?
oblique trail
no
It hits everything around you, as does WW
It just has a softcap even though it doesn't say it does
formal ravine
OF is uncapped yeah
olive wraith
Just does less damage to groups above 8
olive wraith
?
terse ether
For leggo
formal ravine
Cus ww has a small aoe around you
olive wraith
Maybe you didn’t hit everything with it
spare otter
jesus ive upset the crafters guild
paper ivy
out dpsing dhs feels good
formal ravine
What's the aoe on WW does anyone know accurately?
I think it's half of OF or somthing close
clever path
Do we send the lego on use on pull and on cd?
oblique trail
It's 8 yards
formal ravine
👍🏻
warm crag
dont open with the legendary
clever path
When do you use
oblique trail
Do we send the lego on use on pull and on cd?
There are comparisons in the pin to see, but it doesn't matter much when you use it theoretically
clever path
out dpsing dhs feels good
EB doesnt count as real dps
formal ravine
Also keep in mind that you're movement locked during the channel
oblique trail
But practically it'll change depending on the fight
clever path
Is it good to save for like add groups
clever path
So you cannot just send on cd
I played when draught was a thing
tepid scroll
Is crit under simming this tier? Sims are selling me to take a vers/mastery crafted belt when my crits only 23 percent. Currentl belt is crit/haste
oblique trail
It's not undersimming
clever path
yeah thats normal
formal ravine
You're probably simming with corrupting rage too
oblique trail
It sims as good as it is for your character, and it'll change depending on the rest of your gear
And crit hasn't been a particularly high value stat for a while for Fury
tepid scroll
Is there an easy way to see if it was simmed with corrupting rage? Just left the defaults with gear compare
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dLR31fovPpfT3ALvaanPp8
oblique trail
It does gain some slight value in AoE though
warm crag
formal ravine
😄
clever path
lol
warm crag
this is sometimes bugged but usually fine
clever path
was about to post it too
tepid scroll
let me swap it to tepid verse and see
oblique trail
Default is mainstat food, 2x hissing and corrupting rage
tepid scroll
Ew hissing runes rip
oblique trail
would swap mainstat to mast/vers food and corrupting rage to tepid
?
Hissing is mastery
Why is that ew
tepid scroll
Nvm my warrior brain thought haste
oblique trail
that's howling
tepid scroll
howling / hissing
too close in name
Verse mastery still comes out on top but much smaller of a gap this time. The phial difference is 1k dps though
oblique trail
1k dps isn't a whole lot for 100% consistent value
clever path
rage phial is pretty troll though, especially for prog
formal ravine
I think it doesn't sim at 100%
oblique trail
And there are no times where you might accidentally die due to the dot
tepid scroll
True in the grand scheme of 225k dps 1k is less than half a percent diff
oblique trail
Admittedly Fury is one of the least likely specs to die to it, but it's not always that you're able to self heal
meager void
I think pretty much warlocks are the only ones where crit phial isnt troll atm
formal ravine
I was about to say that lmao
Realistically fury dying to corrupting rage would be at 28+ keys
restive peak
I run corrupting rage in like 90% of things still, it has literally never cost me a key or prog kill lol
meager void
all this fucking raid is trying to rot you to death
formal ravine
Especailly if you're an alchemist which reduces the toxic effect by 50%
restive peak
The only time I swapped this tier was 1st smolder kill, we all ran vers
errant vessel
how high is your corrupting rage uptime generally?
restive peak
True, I am alch, that may be why I barely notice it
formal ravine
Especially*
errant vessel
because I've just been running vers till now
clever path
I run corrupting rage in like 90% of things still, it has literally never cost m...
im the oposite, ive never ran rage phial solely for the fact i didnt want to chnce it lol
restive peak
Like 75-85% depending, although I think for fyrakk now I'm gonna run vers
formal ravine
I only run corrupting rage too
restive peak
Cuz there's soooo much rot damage
formal ravine
Haven't yet encountered issues
errant vessel
but saw that it's a 0.7% diff which is quite big just from swapping phial
formal ravine
Then again i am an alchemist too and sit at 28% versa in raids
meager void
its rot thats the concern
restive peak
It's honestly preference and miniscule, we obsess over 700-1k dmg on parse but realistically it's not a ton and variance means it likely won't change your "parse" or damage much
meager void
for prog fights with rot, its problematic
you might not die to it but whatever the healer could be doin instead of healing you is better for the raid
restive peak
We aren't at risk a ton unless we eat a mechanic we shouldn't, we BT every other global and are tanky AF
But if you struggle mechanically, I'd say the gap widens
And you should run vers
formal ravine
Yeh leech and bt this season is something like a passive 15k hps
But honestly running versa has no drawbacks so if it feels better just go with that
clever path
hey its mich
open prairie
idk corrupting rage damage is super minor
meager void
Yeh leech and bt this season is something like a passive 15k hps
its beyond hps tbh. Its about a horribly timed proc within a high rot phase.
formal ravine
I mean you're talking about something that MIGHT happen
And if it does how often would it
formal ravine
I've personally never encountered the scenarios you describe @meager void
clever path
you probably wont see a dps increase from rage over tepid in actual gameplay. its all in your head
formal ravine
But again i am alchemist so the rot is 50% reduced
restive peak
you probably wont see a dps increase from rage over tepid in actual gameplay. it...
This is true
oblique raft
Next week anyone?
violet trail
Corrupting rage has killed me several times in keys
formal ravine
Realistically yeah the gap might be like 1k, but it makes me feel good seeing the stats i like 😄
violet trail
I use vers right now because it puts me at 30% vers dead on with druid buff
open prairie
but yeah dh is the other big crit user