#fury

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summer quail
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Big damage is always the most important thing

violet condor
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well there aint no way they had utility back then cause if they did and its all gone now its gonna make me even more pissed

cosmic lance
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It varies season to season as well

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Damage matters but some seasons damage scales faster than hp

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So you can do enough damage but die to one-shots

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Depending on gear scaling/tuning etc

eternal sundial
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legion had u wearing defensive legos on tyran bosses n shit

cosmic lance
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Yep

north edge
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I wish shockwave was replaced with ancient aftershock

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Stuns have so much DR in keys but there generally isn’t many classes doing knock backs

summer quail
cosmic lance
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People used to have whole gearsets for trash/bosses

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trinket swaps etc

summer quail
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Yes. I miss it so much

cosmic lance
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I think fire mages or something used to rotate their on-use trinkets iirc?

clever path
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That sounds horrid

eternal sundial
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i used to gearswap into jaithys for st since i only had 246 one

summer quail
clever path
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I don’t even like swapping talents lol

past pivot
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I had a 'take off all gear to save repair bill gold due to wipe" macro

cosmic lance
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You could just macro a gearset to buttos

still swift
# north edge Stuns have so much DR in keys but there generally isn’t many classes doing knock...

Shining Force
This spell was deliberately removed in Dragonflight. Powerful spells being removed can cause frustration; however, the amount of control available across all classes in Dragonflight is causing concern. On top of this, the prevalence of knockbacks is already increasing in Dragonflight PvP and knockbacks can be the most influential control effect on arena or battleground maps with verticality.

daily reminder that the devs straight up said "we're giving knockbacks to other classes and removing urs" to priests

cosmic lance
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So it was literally "oh we're doing trash, press this button for that gear"

summer quail
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Exactly. Felt so nice

cosmic lance
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It just meant trying to get like, 1.5 sets of gear

north edge
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Honesty just give up something

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I’d take lust or Brez at this point

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The only thing we’re good at currently is kinda being tanky

eternal sundial
cosmic lance
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This week feels really bad anyway. Literally any dungeon that has dispel mechanics built into it just forces the group into running 3 dispel classes it seems

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Or a shaman

violet condor
violet condor
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enrages to no ends they add an afix like this and have classes with no dispell

cosmic lance
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Yeah, i'm trying to pug 23-25 keys atm and if im not making the group you dont have much chance

violet condor
errant vessel
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yeah it's very close to an equal ilvl 2h OH

hard widget
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Trust me, its faster to just play ur own key even if you dont need the key or its a hard key rather than waiting for getting invited

violet trail
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And have the healer insta leave

past pivot
violet condor
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its dumb an affix like that is a thing to begin with

hard widget
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Its pretty free

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Just gotta think about ur comp

errant vessel
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so I spread misinformation

violet condor
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wether its free or not is not what im saying

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if every class cant do something about the affix its a dogshit affix

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cause it leads to some not getting into keys

hard widget
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It means our class utility is lacking

cosmic lance
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Its all good, it rotates back in like 3 weeks too

violet condor
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it does until we get utility then

cosmic lance
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So you get to do this again

hard widget
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Affixes arent meant to be free

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They are meant to be affixes

eternal sundial
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then they failed as a concept

hard widget
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They have not imo

eternal sundial
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a push week is simply just a less bad affix combo

errant vessel
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they should make SMF be active when a singular 1h is equipped

cosmic lance
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Blizzard's whole philosophy has always been "bring the player not the class" and "play the dungeon not the affixes"

eternal sundial
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there is no "good" affix for you

errant vessel
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for the fyr'alath gholak combo

cosmic lance
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They've openly said both of those

violet condor
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affixes should be able to be handled by every spec if they cant its a bad affix forcing certain classes and disencouraging others

eternal sundial
hard widget
errant vessel
eternal sundial
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it doesnt make it easier this its not a good affix

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its just less hard than ie afflicted

errant vessel
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I think “good” affixes are just affixes that are fun to interact with

hard widget
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Affixes bring a different complexity to the dungeon which forces you to think about team composition, routes and strategy. If we dont have it m+ would be hella boring since nothing would ever change. Besides that "push weeks" are only for the highest of highest keys so they can squeeze that 1 extra key level in. You dont notice a thing in ur 20-25 key

final birch
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If not then it doesnt provide any benefits

hard widget
true sapphire
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Nobody's complaining about the difficulty of the affixes. Whether or not an affix is difficult is inconsequential - when a handful of classes have no way to counter multiple affixes, they're bad affixes.

final birch
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Control undead works same way?

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Didnt know

final birch
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So u can take pri + dk and have 20% debuff?

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Or does it not stack

eternal sundial
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affixes making ppl just not log into the game for a week cant be the consequence of good design

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love fort bolstering

hard widget
# final birch Didnt know

yeah but (not to make u an example) this is the problem, a lot of people complain about it being bad. But there is solutions, you just gotta be willing to look for em

eternal sundial
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cuz it dismisses ur main pet

true sapphire
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There's a fucking solution to world hunger and homelessness but that doesn't mean they're good things

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There being solutions to a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem

hard widget
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Affixes are supposed to be a problem

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Like bruh

final birch
true sapphire
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Especially if there wouldn't need to be a solution if the thing wasn't half-baked to begin with

eternal sundial
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add back seasonal remove rest

true sapphire
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Nobody wants easy affixes

eternal sundial
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remove fort remove tyran

final birch
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Fort tyra is ok IMO

true sapphire
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They want affixes that don't exclude classes for weeks at a time

final birch
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I like that

true sapphire
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In a system that already excludes classes

hard widget
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@true sapphire Ur talking about it being a "problem" but affixes are designed to make it harder and be a problem. So they did a great job then no?

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Some are harder than others and i do think bolstering needs to be looked at but other than that everything is quite fine

true sapphire
violet condor
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it seems ike JeventesTV is either not a warrior main and has never played one or is baiting super hard either way arguing is useless

cosmic lance
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The fact that they've had to remove and nerf SO many affixes over the years has kinda shown they don't usually make good affixes, definitely not on the first iteration

final birch
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🤨

past pivot
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Blizzard said they wanted affixes to be less of an impact on M+ this season going forward. If y'all really wanted to make changes, post your feelings on their forums.

hard widget
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And i do keys

eternal sundial
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you can have bad takes regardless of who you are

iron portal
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True

hard widget
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No its just that people will always find something to complain about

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Most of the times it isnt even an issue

iron portal
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Newsflash: people like to complain

hard widget
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Most people run with an augmentation evoker. And i know all of you run with a healer. Thats 2 people that can disspel so affix taken care of

whole zephyr
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If you’re happy about affix’s warrior can’t deal with in anyway you aren’t good for the community

clever path
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damn, he said newsflash

true sapphire
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I don't think most people run with an aug.

subtle lagoon
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Same song and dance in this server, one side complains and the other dismisses the complaints and says there are no issues.

final birch
true sapphire
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I actually don't run with augs because in the keys I run, 18-22ish, aug's are really bad and there for the carry.

summer quail
iron portal
hard widget
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12.5% x5 is 62.5% of keys above 25 have an aug

final birch
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And thats only 25 and up

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If it was 28 or up it would be closer to 98-99%

hard widget
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^

true sapphire
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12.5% isn't most

past pivot
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And the majority of the playerbase are doing keys 28 and up

hard widget
cosmic lance
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You're literally taking a statistic that applies to the top 0.1%

summer quail
cosmic lance
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Most of us are not playing with an aug every key

true sapphire
# summer quail Bruh

Educate me if my math is incorrect, but to me that's saying 12.5% of 25+ runs includes an aug

final birch
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No

final birch
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This is spec frequency

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So you have 5 specs

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Probably not stacking

hard widget
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Exactly

true sapphire
hard widget
true sapphire
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I already said, 18-22. I'm casual.

past pivot
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It's the same as saying most people own an airplane then showing a graphic that shows that multi-millionaires own an airplane. lol

hard widget
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Then it should really not be an issue at all

true sapphire
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I'm fine with -difficult- affixes. That's not a difficult affix, it's just a thing they thought of.

subtle lagoon
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If you're running with a group then you're not going to be having any issues and of course you're going to be dismissing people who don't have the luxury of having a close knit group of people to play with and have to resort to pugging.

modest condor
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afflicted is dum

tacit crag
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This conversation is wild

hard widget
modest condor
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every other affix can be played around, even if you don't have a soothe you can do something against enraged mobs, or if you dont have a long cc you can do something against incorporeal

hard widget
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I had to deal with the same things

eternal sundial
modest condor
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there is literally nothing you can do as a warrior against afflicted

eternal sundial
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okayge aug fair

subtle lagoon
umbral ingot
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haven't played wow in 2 weeks and suddenly nothing feels fullfilling anymore ingame

final birch
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Are we flexing guys

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Can I flex

eternal sundial
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No

clever path
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yes

eternal sundial
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U play arms go away

clever path
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flex

eternal sundial
clever path
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we're chads here

hard widget
final birch
clever path
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did people just

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forget about sanguine

fossil hatch
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Wasnt 3.3k last season like Nothing

clever path
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3.3k last season was harder than this season

hard widget
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I disagree

true sapphire
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Sanguine is an example of an affix that is difficult if not dealt with properly but it's fine, that's the point of an affix. An affix you can't deal with at all, is a poorly designed affix.

modest condor
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3.3k last season was significantly easier than this season

fossil hatch
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Xd

subtle lagoon
clever path
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i feel like this season is easier, maybe because im actually somehwat trying

iron portal
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Keep going lads

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I need some good reading

hard widget
subtle lagoon
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This season's definitely easier and I'm almost at 3.3k anyway

fossil hatch
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Beast

clever path
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dungeon tuning this season is a joke as well tbf

fossil hatch
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Next season title poss

hard widget
tacit crag
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Being able to deal with things as they are is fine. Wanting things to improve beyond current state is also fine. Being able to deal with the handicap of unable to interact with two different affixes which makes up 4 weeks of the season doesn't make you better than a player who would like to be able to do something about them in their runs. The loss of control over how an affix affects your m+ experience is a valid complaint the same as stating "I've overcome it so can you" is a valid statement. I paid my student loans off myself, doesn't mean I don't think college should be free for others.

clever path
modest condor
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it's funny to see the different mentalities of people who do keys in the level where things 1shot and people who don't

clever path
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they'll nerf it

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or you'll get more gear

hard widget
final birch
clever path
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galakrond fall 2nd boss area is a shitshow in and ofitself on fortified

final birch
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Last season was so fucking free in 25 range xd

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Only semi hard keys were ulda and vp on 25

hard widget
final birch
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Rest u could pull pack by pack basically and time

wanton mirage
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This season is definitely easier proven by statistics, man. Just look at RIO cutoffs compared to last season.

hard widget
final birch
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But this cannot be compared

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Its 7 weeks vs 26

clever path
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yeah and the season is already timing 30s

final birch
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First 7 weeks of s2 were significantlt harder than now

eternal sundial
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aug incident remains the worst thing theyve done since buffing destro in s3

clever path
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and the keys are gonna get nerfed probably again across the board to give people a reason to play just like they did last leason

molten relic
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Lotta random one shots in 23+

hard widget
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Okay lemme explain something about "30's being done" right now a brick wall is getting hit in terms of survivability that you are unlikely to pass. We're capping out in how far u can go, maybe 1-2 key levels but thats it. Shit one shots you or the healing checks become too harsh. There is a cap to what you can live, and thats already getting hit

clever path
molten relic
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Some of the bosses are still a bit off in higher keys

fossil hatch
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So df m+ peaked s1 frfr

modest condor
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s2 before aug was peak m+

clever path
clever path
eternal sundial
hard widget
clever path
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i rolled one for funsies, it was pretty cool but felt degen

final birch
modest condor
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buffing destro in s3 sl has to be the single most out of touch tuning change they've ever done

eternal sundial
modest condor
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no it's not

fossil hatch
clever path
modest condor
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mage was strong but even after the buff they're behind dh and demo

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destro was already the strongest by far and then got buffed

clever path
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there's no way people hit keycaps and they dont tune the dungeon

hard widget
clever path
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so they hit a keycap week 5 of a 4 month season?

hard widget
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I think ur just really trying everything to miss the point here

clever path
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how

wanton mirage
clever path
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yeah thats what they did S2

hard widget
final birch
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S2 was different

hard widget
final birch
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Granted I only played in s1

clever path
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what did they do in S2

final birch
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But rhey did that because meta was that unbelievably broken

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And then people hit highest keys

wanton mirage
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i think most players are not at the highest ilvl right now with bis either

final birch
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And nerfed meta

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So nobody could even RETIME the keys

clever path
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if they didnt nerf meta and scale key levels down

hard widget
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They screwed the season by changing too much mid season inflated the key levels by 4-5 levels

clever path
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lock was even in the mdi like that too rofl

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they nerfed the keys as well

left perch
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I don’t really get the Aug hate

hard widget
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Then they nerfed it too late and had to nerf all dungeons by 20% on high levels

clever path
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across the board

fossil hatch
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Mdi keks

clever path
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i just watched the clips

final birch
nova garnet
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Weeb Brained Warriors

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How is your new years

final birch
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Making it way too mandatory and way too broken

nova garnet
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Any plans with a cute girl

final birch
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1 spec making key easier by 2-3 LEVELS is just

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Idk man

left perch
still swift
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there's no augs anymore

final birch
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Its not just overpowered

still swift
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dont care about them

nova garnet
violet trail
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5 mans need to become 6 mans and we introduce more aug esque specs to the game.

modest condor
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it wasnt 1 spec, guardian, holy paladin and fire mage all got reworked buffed as well

final birch
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Dh is overpowered

still swift
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spec became useless now theres 0 people playing it

final birch
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Mage is overpowered

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Lock is overpowered

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Aug was different

fossil hatch
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Because shadow was so weak s2 clueless

wanton mirage
summer quail
clever path
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shadows been a meme for awhile now

still swift
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ty

left perch
nova garnet
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Aug is only different because they are masquerading as a DPS.

It's

Healer
Tank
Aug
DPS
DPS

hard widget
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Maybe not so meme after all

still swift
past pivot
still swift
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there's like 3 ppl that are doing their best to make it work but everyone admits that its grief

true sapphire
clever path
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with an spriest

left perch
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Don’t do 6 mans

clever path
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non meta comps are only 1-2 key levels down usually

left perch
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Just add more support

fossil hatch
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Uff

nova garnet
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As long as DPS isn't the wall in keys, Aug makes everything silky smooth.

hard widget
left perch
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3 dps is dorky to play we’ve done it for 19 years

still swift
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each and every one of them admits that its grief

nova garnet
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You trade group DPS, so that nothing really hurts and a truckload of utility.

hard widget
left perch
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6 man only sucks because social engineering

violet trail
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I dont even care about us being meta or not I just want to hit things with stick

nova garnet
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Aug is fine, I'd rather bring an Aug than a warrior

fossil hatch
still swift
hard widget
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Not hoping

still swift
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you can make it work and it's still meme

hard widget
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Making

nova garnet
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Aug means when mobs hit me, I get healed instead

clever path
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he's not hoping to make it work shit we can still play warrior in 28 keys i dont really understand the gigadooming

nova garnet
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Idgaf what's optimal, as a tank, having an Aug makes you feel like a fucking god

violet trail
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We havent timed 30s yet warrior is actual trashcan spec

final birch
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Warrior is good

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Wrf

clever path
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non meta is only a key or two down usually its only last season that it blew shit out of the water

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by 3-4

final birch
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Its not shit

clever path
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its why it was called a god comp

final birch
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Its just not dh level

violet trail
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No warrior is shit and we should all feel bad for griefing every single key we are in.

still swift
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💅🏻

final birch
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Ok ye

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So lock treatment

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Remember pre 10.2

left perch
final birch
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Apparently lock was giga shit

past pivot
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You don't need an Aug. But it can make it easier/better. Nothing wrong with that imo. Just a matter of balance so it's not so OP that you do need one to compelte.

nova garnet
clever path
violet trail
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I wouldnt mind like a.. 6% buff or something.

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Just some more omph

clever path
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outclassed by everything else

final birch
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And then they found some APL that made it sim 20 or 30k more

left perch
violet trail
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You bring warrior because we are tanky as shit compared to every other melee

left perch
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can’t do maximum key with drums

still swift
final birch
fossil hatch
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Ret is immortal

clever path
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no

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ret is way better than warrior

final birch
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Ye bur ret has 0 prio

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0

clever path
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brother ret 0 prio is a thing of the past

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they're still fine

nova garnet
clever path
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on ST damage

still swift
clever path
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due to 2 3% aura buffs

still swift
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ok i get how that could be understood wrong

final birch
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St =/= prio

nova garnet
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There's like at least 2 other human tones

still swift
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unlucky

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war life

clever path
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you'd rather get warrior prio than a ret pala?

violet trail
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Just tell him to heal the 2nd one and stop being shit

clever path
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our prio is better than everything else ret has?

hard widget
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Every class brings something different and it depends on your comp is a class fits or not

past pivot
nova garnet
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@still swift you know if we didn't have #report-dms

I'd jump into your dms to flirt. Girls like you are cute hmmNod

still swift
violet trail
clever path
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do you guys play any ranged classes

nova garnet
still swift
clever path
wild mural
still swift
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i didnt know thats a channel

violet trail
final birch
ashen socket
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And the question of the day is... Was the 24 atal timed?

final birch
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Yes because its ad

umbral ingot
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yes

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+2

ashen socket
still swift
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@violet trail

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there u go

ashen socket
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Did the pally have the axe or no?

violet trail
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I love bringing BM hunters. Squishy as shit and more often than not cant find their multi shot

wild mural
violet trail
umbral ingot
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I'm always baffled at how bad some bm hunters are doing

violet trail
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BM is a meme spec. They just do good AOE thats it

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All they bring is damage and a trap.

still swift
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he blocked me after this

ashen socket
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Nah bm is god tier but their survivability holds them back bad

wild mural
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it's time for a comeback

clever path
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BM also has really funky and shitty CC

violet trail
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Shitty interrupt CD, a ST stun I rather just bring a 2nd warrior

wild mural
wanton mirage
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there are 4 no-Lust-no-Brez classes
DH, Rouge, Warrior, Monk. They just need to aura buff to be same with DH or Rouge

violet trail
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Hell I rather use drums than rely on a BM hunter

left perch
ashen socket
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Fair only played with it cause it wasnt my key

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and they were already in

ashen socket
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I dont inv them to my keys cause they need the healer to sorta watch them

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so unless its a package deal

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They will sit in que

wild mural
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I sit in queue

violet trail
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We all do when we are lonely.

wild mural
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I went up by 14 score each season

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so I shouldn't push anyway

clever path
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pushing as non meta and pugging is mostly staying ahead of the curve

wanton mirage
wild mural
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did a bunch of keys in s1

modest condor
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fourth time is the charm

final birch
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Thats not bunch

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I was real degen

wild mural
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season 2 I basically gave up

atomic nymph
final birch
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Hold up

wild mural
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now Im bing chilling

final birch
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First season so I was real degen

clever path
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S1 was so nice i feel bad for not playing it

wild mural
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I never degen this game

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i cba anymore

fossil hatch
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S1 title Gang

final birch
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Well whole m+ was super new to me and super fun

wild mural
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I get CE and thats kenough

final birch
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Generally m+>>>>raid for me

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Raid is good to parse and get items

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Real fun is in m+ because you can push yourself

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Raid becomes boring

wild mural
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I hate m+ unless Im full premade

left perch
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CEyi I was on stream

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worth

wild mural
ashen socket
left perch
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you were so pumped

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was v happy prison was over for you

ashen socket
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That tyran everbloom is gimping me rn

olive pine
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what do you guys think is a good overall damage on atal?

arctic tinsel
clever path
arctic tinsel
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Was studying logs and ran into this 30 sec heroic gnarlroot log

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Wtf how did they do that

eternal sundial
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fucked log disregard

nova garnet
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@still swift check dms

fossil hatch
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Why like 50% have Anime Profile pic here?

nova garnet
ashen socket
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Found the issue with the hunter in that 24 atal

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How do you just

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not hit ur buttons

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like how

nova garnet
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Most people here watch demon Slayer and JJK and shit

ashen socket
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Gonna be honest

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Demon slayer is super mid

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Animation is super good

fossil hatch
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Xd

ashen socket
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but story

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eeehhhh

olive pine
fossil hatch
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S3 was mid yeah

nova garnet
fossil hatch
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S2 fire

final birch
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But jjk is the shit

nova garnet
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I don't watch anime at all lmao

ashen socket
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I did 237k but I died on a pull asking where the hunters damage was

final birch
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I read it

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And watch it

ashen socket
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so probably 240k

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or more

fossil hatch
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Jjk 2 Overall for me after hxh

nova garnet
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So idk, I read JJK until fuck got stuck in a cube and then everyone hates protags

eternal sundial
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hxh hell nah

olive pine
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hm i did 218k so im not too far behind

eternal sundial
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fanservice andy

fossil hatch
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Xd

olive pine
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recently switched from arms becuase i want to push higher keys

final birch
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Hxh is goated

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As fuck

fossil hatch
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Yes

ashen socket
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Hxh is so good

final birch
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I got killua bobblehead for my 18 birthday

ashen socket
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Steins gate tho

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Mega

undone pine
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Can you loot legendary with protspec on?

ashen socket
#

yes

fossil hatch
#

Yes but i cant

#

Maybe next week for sure

final birch
ashen socket
#

Not a real image

#

not enough crumbs on the desk

fossil hatch
#

Stop the Red Bull bro

final birch
#

Thats old image

fossil hatch
#

I was addicted 3 years

final birch
#

Couldnt find anything recent

#

Like a year old

wanton mirage
#

I started my wow journey in Dragonflight S1 midway. I am pretty satisfied with progress over each season. I hope I get my first CE in S3.

final birch
#

Week 10?

#

Tyra bolstering

ashen socket
#

You probably want to jump guilds then cause 4/9 mythic is pretty behind

meager gyro
clever path
#

@hard widget oh youre the guy that plays like 3 or 4 classes

#

i was looking at your raider io you linked and didnt know you can add vods to your raider io runs

wanton mirage
modest condor
wanton mirage
#

tbh it should be 5/9 if we didnt ditch this week push for christmas.

final birch
#

I was afk cooking liqour

#

Getting that cooking mastery

clever path
#

isnt bdo p2w

wanton mirage
# final birch Week 10?

yeah around there, I was playing without no weakaura, no modified plater and I felt like such a noob wondering how does people do mechanics , know what to interupt, what to dodge. lol

fossil hatch
#

Wow is p2w to no? U can buy Gold and buy items boosts clueless

ashen socket
#

depends on what you consider as winning

violet trail
#

life is p2w

fossil hatch
#

Deep

clever path
#

lol no it aint

violet trail
#

This whole "is it p2w" stuff is just pointless

final birch
#

I made retail char and had lvl 60 boost with edition

final birch
#

Day after I got dragged into m+ 11-13

#

I felt so overwhelmed

#

Esp as tank lol

nova garnet
final birch
#

I got some small coaching but still

violet trail
final birch
#

Good thing I dropped tanking because I became much better tank just by watching other people do my keys and me just dpsing

#

I hit a wall at 2.9 around week 18 I think

wanton mirage
meager gyro
# clever path isnt bdo p2w

It actually is, your DPS is based on your fps and gear either takes a million attempts to be max rank or throw insane amount of cash at it

chrome fern
#

any reason to take titanic rage over dancing blades? dancing blades seem to sim better in single and multi

cosmic lance
#

It plays smoother for a dps loss

#

thats about it

wanton mirage
#

it makes us use once cell of brain less.

modest condor
#

more burst aoe

#

if you wanna pad on something like gnarlroot, igira or tindral

graceful copper
#

I have a very important fury question that i think i have the answer to but id liek to confirm

#

do cleaved critical strikes from bloodthirst CDR Odyn's Fury

#

my observation is no

cosmic lance
#

It has an internal CD to prevent that iirc

wicked plinth
#

tbf a 20 this season is way easier than a 20 S1

graceful copper
#

thank u

#

and another quirky question i got, is if you're not enraged before casting a rampage, does rampage not benefit from enrage or does it apply enrage before any of the dmg goes off

#

so every rampage is always enraged

summer quail
frosty heron
unreal onyx
#

didn't expect the higher ilvl in oh being less of a DPS loss tbh

#

but ig makes sense with the base weapon dmg

molten relic
gilded pawn
#

the funny part is that BT doesnt

graceful copper
#

guess it applies the aura after the dmg?

tacit crag
#

BT benefitting from its own enrage would probably be kinda big, rampage requires 80 fury, BT is free

proven thistle
gilded pawn
#

BT does shit damage

#

on a per cast basis

#

especially before this tier

#

it would have changed absolutely nothing before this tier

tacit crag
#

If mastery increases damage by 60% while enraged and bt benefited from its own enrage, in situations where it grants enrage and not just extending it, it gains 60% damage, no? Wouldn't that seem pretty big even if damage was shit?

modest condor
still swift
#

of benefits from other people enraging as well

#

if you catch my drift

tacit crag
gilded pawn
#

OF only enrages with titanic

tacit crag
gilded pawn
#

and its only opener where it matters

olive wraith
#

60% boost to a 20k hit isn’t that huge

gilded pawn
#

getting 1 extra enraged BT in a fight is like 30 dps if that

#

BT has always been a quantity>quality button

sinful spoke
#

everywhere i go no mater what character im playing

#

i get tauned

#

by it

olive wraith
#

Bb on the other hand is decent

#

So it would be pretty good for RA builds

tacit crag
balmy shore
modest condor
#

not you tho

#

you're stinky

sinful spoke
#

woh

#

jackie or me?

modest condor
#

jackie

sinful spoke
#

oh

#

yeah

left perch
#

wooowww

#

Jackie is NOT stinky

gilded pawn
#

and when you did take fresh meat BT did piss damage

iron portal
#

Stinky people are stinky

tacit crag
gilded pawn
#

im not sure you understand how little damage BT did before this tier

balmy shore
tacit crag
#

You keep saying "before this tier" I'm not talking about before this tier, I'm talking about if it did it tomorrow.

#

I don't really care what bt did in legion lol

gilded pawn
#

no because its not BB

#

an average BT hit does 30K

#

that is so shit

clever path
gilded pawn
#

so 60% of that is 18K

tacit crag
# gilded pawn no because its not BB

I've had plenty instances in m+ where I end a pack with bb available so go into next with bb and if enrage benefited on it, it's a nice impreovement lol

gilded pawn
#

congrats you got 18K more per pack

#

when your damage per pack is in the couple millions

tacit crag
#

You right so basically them giving bt damage on enrage is completely pointless and they should never do it, what point you trying to say here man lol

gilded pawn
#

im saying it doesnt matter

#

you are trying to say its some big game cahnging stuff

tacit crag
#

I am?

#

I said kinda big but I wasn't being like "We'll be #1 damage" bro

#

I was just saying it'd be kinda nice change to have extra bump to bt in situations like m+

#

And you're tweaking about how it'll be so pointless and useless I dunno what you're trying to get at

gilded pawn
#

you say it seems like its pretty big

#

and im trying to tell you that you wouldnt even notice it

olive wraith
#

Surely he would. People notice 10% difference in haste clueless

molten relic
#

You’re basically always enraged anyways

#

So it’s a change for 1 Bt per pack

balmy shore
molten relic
#

That’s minuscule

unreal onyx
deft thicket
#

How tf 483 pip trink outsims might of the ocean at same ilvl?

molten relic
#

Sim time probably

unreal onyx
#

Might sims pretty mediocre from my sims, since it’s the best for burst but not the best for sustained ST fight

deft thicket
#

But this way it aint worth to farm might, right? I mean it is strange but i understand this. Maybe im wrong

unreal onyx
#

Its bis for m+

still ibex
#

No, you are misunderstanding how siming works

deft thicket
#

Yeah probably im not the best tbh.. maybe i put wrong inputs i have to search for it more

low folio
#

simming isnt always gonna be the truth, specially when it comes to something as hard to sim as a dungeon

still ibex
#

M+ is very hard to sim accurately, especially if it come to trinkets

deft thicket
#

Anyway im thinking changing pip's with might and run augery/might for m+ as i play mostly this

unreal onyx
#

M+ sims are not fully accurate 99% of the time

#

Augury + might is bis for m+

low folio
#

plus sims are made by people so it can have problems with it. its just a super calculator for stats

#

atleast thats how i view it

deft thicket
#

Yeah i can understand that! Thanks lolx just need to farm it or hope for vault

still ibex
#

I'm like 487ilvl and 476 might still 😄

unreal onyx
#

Im 487 with 483 might gladge

low folio
#

486 ilvl no might at all 😦

still ibex
#

Hate ppl with 489 might

deft thicket
#

Also should i spend my aspect crests to upgrade the crafted gear or spend it to upgrade augery to full and my other gear and leave crafted last?

still swift
unreal onyx
#

You can sim

low folio
#

i feel like theres only a few pieces of gear that would be more valuable upgraded than a crafted embellishment pice

unreal onyx
#

But I would guess augury could perform the best out of the upgrades, especially since it’s bis in m+ and very good in raid

#

I held off crafting my cloak at 486 immediately as I had other items to upgrade first

#

Mainly weapons

#

So I used the wyrm crest from renown 20 to craft my cloak up until last week

low folio
#

oh he said upgrading the crafted piece

#

i thought he was meaning crafting it at all

serene charm
#

Do you guys think its worth running shockwave, storm bolt and intimidating shout all together in m+? I feel like interrupts are always good to have but no idea

#

what r ur opinions

low folio
#

ya i would agree that there are a lot of pieces of gear worth upgrading before crafted unless you gain a ton of ilvls off the crafted upgrade

#

i mean shockwave is the biggest trade off for talents, the other 2 you can grab without much loss of value so ya you can easily run all 3

serene charm
#

I usually do storm bolt on ghost affix but thats about it

low folio
#

just gotta make sure you dont fuck up your fear

serene charm
#

some dungeons have all 3 seems good

serene charm
low folio
#

well fear makes people run away, if pressed at the wrong time, they might not be in an aoe to break out of it in time

#

so you could fear them into another pack

serene charm
#

ah like that

#

in ToT i feel like having all 3 seems good

#

but ye i get it

#

will mess around w talents and see what i can exchange certain talents for

#

esp in 20+ keys

low folio
#

if your in pugs its definitely more value to run them for interupts on many dungeons than the dps you would lose

serene charm
#

ye

#

i feel like if u let through one spell its over sometimes

low folio
#

brh is a good one to have all 3

serene charm
#

i havent done that in a higher key tbh

#

lot of interupts there or?

low folio
#

in the wrong groups the arcanist could murder everybody

serene charm
#

Ohhhh

#

Black rook hold

#

ye

#

thats the one i mean

#

if u dont perma interupt the arca there he just kills every1

#

not to mention that the rest of the pack does a lot of dmg asw

low folio
#

although, as a warrior you can partially fix the fuckup. if they cast back to back on everyone else, you can reflect the next one and basically instakill it

serene charm
#

yee

#

reflect have been useful

#

does it insta kill on reflect tho?

low folio
#

well every cast it stacks a huge damage modifier on the arcanist. if it has like 3-4 stacks on a high key, the damage the relfect would do is insanely high

serene charm
#

oh it stacks no idea

eternal sundial
#

Not a oneshot generally

#

But like 2 Mil or smth

serene charm
#

i wonder if its worth taunting the arca to make it hit the reflect

low folio
#

well the first cast doesnt do as much damage

eternal sundial
#

It does random casts i think

cosmic lance
#

I dont think they have an agro table like that

low folio
#

ya the casts are non aggro casts

serene charm
#

if u dont get hit on the 2 or 3rd hit i guess activating reflect is good u can assume it will hit u next

cosmic lance
#

For melees they do but the blast is random

unreal onyx
#

Bolstering raging arcane blast reflect

#

Big

low folio
#

generally if the arcanist has 3 stacks of the buff and is then casting on you, their health should be pretty chunked already so a reflect would probably end it

serene charm
#

i think if its focused by all 5 members its fine and if every1 uses their interupts

#

its only annoying if he gets to free cast

low folio
#

ya but ive been in pugs 20 and higher where it manages to cast and kill everybody

serene charm
#

yee same

#

its annoying ngl

eternal sundial
#

There's no other kicks in that area

#

So its hard to not turbo troll it idk

serene charm
#

ye exactly but not every1 knows to kick it

cosmic lance
#

usually happens when everyone tries to kick the first one

serene charm
#

some ppl let it through even in high keys

eternal sundial
#

pugs are just bad

serene charm
#

ya

eternal sundial
#

Not news

serene charm
#

true

low folio
#

idk uncoordinated cc plus uncoordinated kicks leads to a failed pug every once in a while

unreal onyx
cosmic lance
#

Its the same as tanks that do the triple magus pulls in Rise and nobody has a kick assigned

serene charm
#

happens

cosmic lance
#

Or 4 magus pulls

#

Then act shocked a volley goes off

serene charm
#

XD

cosmic lance
#

pugs gonna pug

slender perch
#

HNY all

low folio
#

its not the new year yet

#

for me

weak tulip
#

hello helpers ...
[Might of the Ocean] with [Accelerating Sandglass], [Mirror of Fractured Tomorrows], [Rezan's Gleaming Eye] for m+ ? i`m so lost with it ... dont have cataclysmic or augury . Only this 4 of them 😐

olive wraith
#

Ocean for sure

#

All same ilvl?

weak tulip
#

yea

#

476 😐

errant pond
#

how do I put my mains io score and raid prog on an alt

eternal sundial
#

And then once u have 200 score the kills show up

errant pond
#

I have all of that done weeks it just dosent show up

weak tulip
runic pine
#

I finally got a myth track weppy pog @oblique trail

warm crag
#

@oblique trail is fury meta yet

eternal sundial
tardy lark
#

Reroll yellow

warm crag
#

spongeuwu is geared af

eternal sundial
#

Absolute god character

fleet sorrel
runic pine
oblique trail
low folio
#

i mean isnt fury like one of the better non meta specs technically

eternal sundial
noble elm
#

Fury is pretty close to “comfortably safe”

low folio
#

i mean that technically means we are above most specs just not meta specs

noble elm
#

We can’t fly to close to the sun it always ends badly for us

wild mural
#

Rework fury

noble elm
#

Pls no

#

They will fuck it up

low folio
#

ya i like how fury plays

noble elm
#

They can rework arms

rich void
#

Don’t worry, rework or not they’ll fuck up all specs

dapper goblet
#

idk how you guys play fury

#

this spec feels like

#

donkey shit poop diaper

#

compared to last tier

low folio
#

i actually like bloodthirst builds personally

lavish grove
dapper goblet
#

going from a cdr to no cdr is awful

lavish grove
#

Agree

low folio
#

odyns is a cdr

lavish grove
#

Random cdr isn't the same

low folio
#

idk i like the feeling of something newish'

desert cape
#

arms feels like shit

runic pine
#

Sometimes having fixed CDs is a nice break

dapper goblet
#

odyns is fineish

#

but i mean like

#

main cds

#

reck/ava

runic pine
#

Yeah I said what I said

#

It’s like playing SOFO

#

Sometimes playing non AM is refreshing

runic pine
#

Spec needs to have rage management again

clever belfry
#

Am is cringe

#

no uptime = haha do no dmg all ur cd timings are fucked

#

Gg

runic pine
#

This whole “I waste 20% of my rage generation over a fight” as arms is cringe

#

Bring back charge weaving

low folio
#

only complaint i have about current fury is that the dh in my guild does more damage than me in keys

runic pine
#

Nothin you can do

#

DH just nuts in keys

#

But at least you can out damage him on bosses and prio mobs throughout the key

#

So there’s that

lavish grove
#

I generally bored of doing damage to 5 targets

low folio
#

it only annoys me because hes only good at doing damage, he doesnt interupt or cc shit

#

raid bores me to death personally, theres less one player can do to affect it

runic pine
#

Yesnt?

#

One player can have a massive impact in a raid

low folio
#

well theres less one player can do to make it succeed but more one player can do to make it fail

runic pine
#

Still don’t agree with that

low folio
#

its just true when comparing to dungeons. the more players there are the less one player matters

gilded pawn
#

Raid has group one shot mechs

#

M+ doesn’t really

low folio
#

which is why i said one player can make it fail but one player cant noticable impact success in the same way

runic pine
#

Healer or DPS don’t cleanse/heal enjoy your wipe

low folio
#

healers and tanks have more impact in raids vs dungeon probably but a single dps is far less impactful in raid

#

i guess i was mostly speaking from a dps perspective

wanton mirage
#

Timed a waycrest 20 with 4 players from the start Key holder friend who needed the portal dced whole key due to internet issue. He didn't get the portal when he came back up. lol

eternal sundial
#

🫳

full portal
#

can you remove the incandescent essence enchant?

eternal sundial
#

No and why would u

full portal
#

I have it on a speed helmet that i want to use for running old stuff, and I dont want the aoe going off

eternal sundial
#

Ahh

#

Yea that's akward then

indigo quarry
#

maybe if you catalyst ?

wanton mirage
#

am not sure it will work or not though xD

final birch
#

Alternative is you can buy speed helmet for like 1k from ah

true sapphire
hard widget
ashen socket
#

Who said destro can't do dps cause they are a liar

hard widget
#

I play warrior, some dh got a rogue, dudu and evoker

eternal sundial
clever path
slow haven
#

😦

eternal sundial
narrow narwhal
#

Those are my 4 alts

glad sable
#

Fuxk yeah niners

#

@eternal sundial Phil’s burgie why u not partying

eternal sundial
#

Not midnight yet sir

glad sable
#

U drink some of this

eternal sundial
#

Watching dune with rum n ice cant complain

modest condor
#

couple more reposts and we wont be able to read the name of the item anymore

glad sable
eternal sundial
#

🤝🤝

glad sable
#

@eternal sundial beer 🍺

#

Where’s Todu

eternal sundial
#

With his wife i think

#

Lucky man

glad sable
#

Lucky man

#

He broke free

covert void
#

If you get socketed bracers are most of you just changing to a second shadowflame patch? on boots say?

glad sable
#

Phil if you would be my wife you could break free too

eternal sundial
glad sable
eternal sundial
#

Oh btw cup i got the lego

glad sable
#

Idk what that even means

#

I haven’t played for two tiers

eternal sundial
#

Very good

#

Congratulations

ashen socket
#

I was so mad I didn't get the lego this week that a made a forum post

glad sable
#

Gz Phil magus

#

Fake woyer

#

❤️

eternal sundial
#

My warrior is 2 ilvls away from bis man seramore

#

Not an alt cmon

glad sable
#

Ok I gotta pour some drink and kiss gf at midnight

#

Cya Phil magus

hard widget
eternal sundial
left perch
#

man just comes in to brag being 2 years sober from wow and kissing gf then leaves

#

calls Phil a mage even, legend

eternal sundial
#

Tiers not years

left perch
#

oh that is way less impressive

iron portal
#

What a time to be alive when people are legends for not playing wow

#

👀

molten relic
#

The real legends have leggo wep

storm rune
#

Is it better to delay a Ramp if you won't overcap rage by sending another BT for CDR on OF?

olive wraith
#

That’s a small sub optimization you could do yes

molten relic
#

Helps if ur running into dead globals to do that

storm rune
#

cool, I thought so but you know how it is with feelcraft

#

Keep parsing like 90s and I wanna chase that sweet orange number

#

Obviously the best choice would be to swap to arms so my competition is reduced

eternal sundial
#

If you bt at below 110 ish rage while enraged rather than ramp it's dps gain

molten relic
#

My only orange on heroic is fyrakk sadge

#

And not mythic gaming anymore

#

But this week it all changes

#

We are up

nova garnet
#

Fury warrior is definitely femboy twink eboy weeb class

#

Love fury 🫕

eternal sundial
#

Sure man

oblique trail
#

🧖

nova garnet
olive wraith
#

What

nova garnet
#

Idk lmao tenor delivered

eternal sundial
#

Mage mentioned i suppose

nova garnet
#

Bro wow memes on the gif function

#

Top kek

eternal sundial
#

Search skull of guldan

nova garnet
#

LOL

#

Holy shit

eternal sundial
#

Post it

nova garnet
#

Nou

#

It might be a bit much for this channel

plucky ice
nova garnet
#

😓

eternal sundial
#

It's same as the other 2

#

Idk what u mean

nova garnet
#

Nah, this one definitely lewder

plucky ice
#

2much4me seramore

nova garnet
#

Other ones are like PG

#

But skull of guldan shows so much more

olive wraith
#

What are these

eternal sundial
#

Skull of guldan gif

#

In the gif function thing

olive wraith
#

Not my question lol

eternal sundial
#

Then what should be what

olive wraith
#

What?

eternal sundial
#

What are those

sullen dove
iron portal
#

Perry the Platypus?!

nova garnet
plucky ice
#

yea buddy

iron portal
#

Using two hands

#

Arms

#

Sus

olive wraith
#

Imagine needing both hands to wield a single weapon

clever path
#

Whos got a refernce brh 23 dps

red yew
nova garnet
#

Meanwhile single minded fury

#

Is limp and effeminate

spiral oasis
#

you are sick..

olive wraith
spiral oasis
#

you are sick!!!

#

CHILL OUT!!

spiral oasis
#

do fury warriors have arms

plucky ice
covert blaze
spiral oasis
#

are arms warriors furious? 🤔

spiral oasis
#

i thought fury warriors looked the opposite

nova garnet
#

That's peak femboy right there son

iron portal
#

Weird gifs at start of the year.

2024 is doomed

nova garnet
#

It's not 2024 here yet

plucky ice
#

bro lives in the past

#

nearly 2hrs in 2024

covert blaze
#

4 hours to next year

summer quail
plucky ice
#

bros i am in 2024 its not looking good, no lego yet

wild mural
spiral oasis
#

i look like this

covert blaze
#

Syi wears programming socks 100%

wild mural
#

Yes

#

How did u know

unreal cape
#

Happy new year everyone 🎉

spiral oasis
#

wtf

left perch
nova garnet
iron portal
covert blaze
#

next year for sure

wild mural
#

It’s still 2023 for 18 mins in ingerland

plucky ice
elder tree
#

Happy new year peeps! 🎉

covert blaze
unreal onyx
#

Happy new year guys

wild mural
unreal onyx
#

Surely I get leggo in 2024 clueless

wild mural
#

2023 leggo enjoys xeos

covert blaze
plucky ice
#

2025 for sure

left perch
#

I still have like 5 hours

#

don’t rush me

wild mural
#

You gonna get it

#

I believe