tier weapons when
#fury
unreal onyx
eternal sundial
actually no way smarter thing
clever belfry
tiered tier when
clever belfry
Kang
clever belfry
I have not played fated SL
but fated seems much more intresting than farming SAME tier for 12 months
clever belfry
(not zskarn)
just skip him
unreal onyx
I have not played fated SL
but fated seems much more intresting than farming SAM...
it was fun for like 3 weeks imo
clever belfry
everyone gets vault anyway.
eternal sundial
I have not played fated SL
but fated seems much more intresting than farming SAM...
fated in sl wasnt fun if motes werent up
some of the affixes made bosses very very cringe
clever belfry
I sure know what motes are
half cargo
One trillion nameplates
unreal onyx
you had to have 1 specific affix on a boss to do anything better than a green parse
half cargo
Crashing potatoes left and right
eternal sundial
you can 2% increased dam
clever belfry
nice
eternal sundial
theres a timer on how long they spawn
but you get bazilliontrillion
large damage buff after but also a shit ton of adds to aoe
clever belfry
that sounds like a thing for sure
unreal onyx
go full aoe build in a ST fight for max pad
clever belfry
unreal onyx
otherwise ez green log
clever belfry
Loboz build.
half cargo
Boon of the end
modest condor
motes were great if you didnt have a nasa superpc
eternal sundial
didnt? 
clever belfry
motes were great if you didnt have a nasa superpc
maybe just have more money?
half cargo
^
clever belfry
Gpu surely matters in wow
eternal sundial
critcake techtalk moment
eternal sundial
i have that one but 5800 goes very hard for its price 
unreal onyx
gonna buy a new pc next year just to be able to play fated 
clever belfry
no reason to uppie now really
red yew
gonna buy a new pc next year just to be able to play fated <:gladge:963970137701...
Yeah need to prep for Mote weeks
eternal sundial
no reason to uppie now really
ye u can sit on that for a while
red yew
eternal sundial
i just said ill go overboard and then i wont have to up for like 5 years or whatev
clever belfry
ye u can sit on that for a while
I need to buy a new gpu tho lol
half wing
gonna buy a new pc next year just to be able to play fated <:gladge:963970137701...
Imagine buying new pc and blizz even not add motes to fated
half cargo
Lmao
unreal onyx
I thought my gpu was struggling with frames in valdrakken but it was my RAM 
unreal onyx
thank you chrome for taking up like 8GB of ram for 5 tabs
half cargo
thank you chrome for taking up like 8GB of ram for 5 tabs
Sounds like you need a 64gig upgrade
eternal sundial
i play on 1080 and it was "fine" without one for a tiny bit
unreal onyx
Sounds like you need a 64gig upgrade
I bought 32GB
fine for now
I'll actually buy a new PC next year (not bc of wow)
half cargo
<@468117856664682522><:ratge:890357732543168594>
Bro it only just clicked now what you meant
eternal sundial
Bro it only just clicked now what you meant
modest condor
problem with current fury on motes is that except for ravager all of our big uncapped aoe is dots
we cant do what we did in shadowlands
unreal onyx
play arms
clever belfry
no spinny man
eternal sundial
NIOOO MUH BONEGRINDER
unreal onyx
unreal onyx
mbg slapped big time on motes iirc
modest condor
spear only applies to the motes that are up when you cast it
once they are dead it does no damage
clever belfry
Spear initial is a chunk
modest condor
but then you're not padding on the earlier sets
clever belfry
with the bad talent
eternal sundial
secret tech
modest condor
still nowhere close to what we did in sl
clever belfry
TCing the bad talent
unreal onyx
modest condor
bladestorm into bladestorm into spamming ww with mbg
clever belfry
unreal onyx
love 30% of a bossfight being pure pad
eternal sundial
thats very little no?
eternal sundial
ye 1.7 has to be dogshit mote dam
half cargo
I need to go through the archives for this one
unreal onyx
demo lock moment
modest condor
unreal onyx
I pray that there won't be another mote meme
eternal sundial
who cares about fated logs
compact knot
r1 guardian fated
can u translate pls
half cargo
who cares about fated logs
I do
eternal sundial
can u translate pls
lots of pad very wow
clever belfry
ofc swordish paddin
unreal onyx
I don't nessesarily, but it's just a dogshit mechanic
half cargo
fuck you phil
compact knot
ty
half cargo
half cargo
shit went hard
eternal sundial
gavel
half cargo
guardian druid?
he had a gavel as well lmao
compact knot
lmao
eternal sundial
fated was fucked up
unreal onyx
gavel was bis for feral too
eternal sundial
spot tank with gavel
unreal onyx
it was str only iirc
compact knot
psure it was str only ye
half wing
There was dinars
half cargo
did they have to get it traded to them
think he bought it with dinar
unreal onyx
bring back dinar 100%
eternal sundial
this will never get old
eternal sundial
i didnt see that one
aagaard posted this back then with a clip and all
unreal onyx
prepatch raid was so scuffed overall
prime bane
wowhead and icy-veins both have quite different BiS. is there one I sh ould be shooting for over the other?
unreal onyx
arms condemn double-leggo blastage was fun tho
half cargo
prepatch raid was so scuffed overall
eternal sundial
wowhead and icy-veins both have quite different BiS. is there one I sh ould be s...
modest condor
oh yeah druids had this weird ability that did like 5mil damage per tick or something
prime bane
i personally don't understand the top gear thing. i've tried using it
eternal sundial
you click all ur options and it tells u which is best to use
thats all there is to it
unreal onyx
copy string you get ingame, paste, click what you want to compare
and on the bottom the fight style (use 1 target 5min patchwerk)
prime bane
yeah and then it takes me to another screen that doesn't give any advice on upgrades
the top gear is purely what is in my bags/on me
unreal onyx
yes
half cargo
Droptimiser is what you want then
unreal onyx
even that is not accurate
since it sims with the statweights and gear you have on right now
red yew
Wild Mulle appeared
unreal onyx
there is no definitive bis list, since you most likely don't have the full and max ilvl gear anyway
prime bane
BiS should be BiS no?
unreal onyx
no
eternal sundial
Wild Mulle appeared
Aagy too low to be on the Screenshot
unreal onyx
on weapons or ST trinkets, yes
but on gear it depends on the other gear you have
since they have to be balanced around eachother
eternal sundial
If you had every item in the game at max ilvl you can go to simulationcraft and grab the fury profile
prime bane
right i understand that but shouldn't both website have the same BiS combination?
eternal sundial
Some get updated more frequently
prime bane
unfortunately, wowhead doesn't give the update date
unreal onyx
just sim top gear for armor slots, for weapons and trinkets they will be accurate imo
left perch
Aug has a bis list, but that’s because they can’t sim
well you can but it takes like 6 hours
unreal onyx
they just take whatever has the most mastery
prime bane
wowhead has a lot of mythic gear in it (from mythics not mythic raids) while icy only has raid and crafted lol
clever belfry
Aug has a bis list, but that’s because they can’t sim
wrong
modest condor
tbh bis lists are dumb because you'll never get bis anyway and as long as you don't have every item in the list they're useless
clever belfry
Aug can very much sim
its just uhhh
Special.
Not very accessible to most players
and the sims take LONG
like 2h for a droptimizer long
left perch
and the sims take LONG
clever belfry
Simple uppies u can sim kinda quick
left perch
yea that’s a more comprehensive way to say it
clever belfry
if you have the profile
modest condor
i remember accidentally having my raidbots on dungeon slice when i wanted to do a massive sim
clever belfry
😔
modest condor
i bet it would take until next year
left perch
I mean, for me “augs can’t sim” is my reality
like I’m not gonna run that complexity to find out much I’ll just take bis list or stat weight and go next dungeon
clever belfry
I only know how and why cause sael plays in a guild with me ye
left perch
sael is kinda goated
modest condor
1% vers in +28 gaming
clever belfry
I did atal 29 with 247 vers earlier
left perch
it is funny how much I got used to “just sim” and now I’m back to (basically) stat weights
clever belfry
Last boss spooky let me tell u
left perch
2 years of brown class and I miss robot
modest condor
i guess you needed an external on every soulrend
clever belfry
Nope
Stretch time, TG, leaf, scales
cool buttons
I actually took 0 externals
😎
modest condor
sheesh
left perch
stretch time I hear is giga if you know what to do abt it
clever belfry
practically a 50% dr
is quite good yes
and it lines up naturally on yazma
😎
i need sael to figure out or fyrakk buff timings
(cause i can not be fucked)
real
left perch
I messed up gnarlroot hc so bad this week
like didn’t even have any EM out and couldn’t for entire ramp
just trash can
clever belfry
red yew
Aagy too low to be on the Screenshot
💀
left perch
felt so stupid
clever belfry
best aug player
left perch
bestn’t
red yew
@tardy lark Augaard when?
turbid latch
is 5t5m standard for simming aoe on fury warrior?
eternal pumice
Is it worth race changing for 1k dps gain ? 🙂
red yew
That is a question only you can answer.
spiral oasis
IT'S ON SALE!!
red yew
Real p2w
spiral oasis
yippee!!!
spiral oasis
eternal pumice
It 17e in real money
eternal sundial
<@198808002629730304> Augaard when?
Bro that's so fucked up
red yew
It had to be said at least once
sullen dove
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
?
sullen dove
ofc swordish paddin
?
i was number one boss dam on that
not my problem I was ethical^2
red yew
not my problem I was ethical^2
Ethical mote gamer
Guys I'm only AoE blasting the motes to get more single target damage from the buff after!!!!
sullen dove
on GOSH
shell quail
Can I pester someone for the simc link for primal molten braces with shadowflame
olive wraith
You could just gear compare it
shell quail
not if I don't have the bracers :p
wait I can create thew item in gear compare
I love you so much
I was trying to use droptimiser
brittle dock
*Top Gear
Could potentially use droptimiser to sim the bracers without having them.
olive wraith
Top gear is for gear you have
Gear compare you can search pieces to compare with equipped
unreal onyx
droptimizer is just to look up in a wider range what items would be upgrades
spiral oasis
Think I just got into a troll key
22, prot paladin aims the bear directly at his dps last second
Twice
DHT
olive wraith
If you can dodge a bear you can dodge a ball
spiral oasis
lmao
He was aiming at the wall and then said "I'ma turn this shit around"
BAM hunter dead
2 minutes later
BAM warrior is dead
spiral oasis
I just want my belt bruh 
full viper
22, prot paladin aims the bear directly at his dps last second
Bear ? Or the birds ? I didn’t know the bear charges ? I thought it only spawn adds
spiral oasis
Bear ? Or the birds ? I didn’t know the bear charges ? I thought it only spawn a...
The bear form from the first boss
full viper
Oh so that’s what killing us
The boss does no damage and suddenly he onshots
One shots
shell quail
droptimizer is just to look up in a wider range what items would be upgrades
its good for pieces like lariat etc, but not for items that you apply a embellishment to
snow edge
Wut
unreal onyx
idk if droptimizer factors in the 2 embell limit
spiral oasis
Oh so that’s what killing us
huh
fading bane
it does
shell quail
yeah it does
fading bane
if you got 2x embellishments on, it wont sim shit like lariat and vers wrists etc
shell quail
noble elm
22, prot paladin aims the bear directly at his dps last second
Gotta always be on the lookout
vivid inlet
what should i craft with my aspect's (ignore the enchant, literally just got the ring)
noble elm
Tanks be some spinning dudes
spiral oasis
Tanks be some spinning dudes
they ain't supposed to be in the last half second of a frontal mechanic 😭
snow edge
You should definitely craft the item that provides the most DPS based on simming your character
I assume you have shadowflame cloak / bracers, so probably a ring judging by your gear at a glance
noble elm
Which is probably a ring based on that gear
snow edge
But you can just gear compare / topgear to double check
noble elm
We are all slaves to robot sim overlord
full viper
huh
Tank raging that melee kept stacking on him but he doesn’t know it is a tank mechanic
spiral oasis
Tank raging that melee kept stacking on him but he doesn’t know it is a tank mec...
Don't stack on him
If he already has the boss pointed at the wall he's doing the right thing
fallow sun
getting back into the game, if i have a higher ilvl single hand weapon than both of my available 2h weapons, should i duel weild the single hand with a 2h?
fickle bluff
no
fallow sun
is duel weilding 1h even viable as fury?
sour frigate
fallow sun
gotcha, thanks all
junior gale
is duel weilding 1h even viable as fury?
all depends on your definition of Viable. Can you play it and complete most content in the game yes. Will you do more dmg than a 2h fury warrior no
fallow sun
fair, ya was just asking since im trying to get back into the game pve wise, not like mythic raiding or anything but when looking up guides i saw i think on wowhead like an alt bis was a 1h and was curious about how 1h is as fury
devout dawn
Guys is there any reason to ever change loot spec to fury from arms?
fading bane
nope
junior gale
think last sim I saw was around 5% less than 2h with Fyrak 1h weapon. Its not terrible but theres just no reason to ever play 1h fury unless your a casual and you wanna play it because you wanna play it
fallow sun
gotcha
vivid inlet
how do i sim crafted ger?
elder vessel
spiral oasis
Dude wtf are these darkheart pugs
Our priest died before the first boss and our DH tank pulls before they're there, then leaves when we wipe even though we were still making good time. I'm going crazy.
formal ravine
@vivid inlet droptimizer >profession-epic>Chose ilvl > chose missive
mighty rover
What is the basic 3-4 button rotation for fury? If we're talking not optimal but semi decent. For like the most common 2 builds. With t31 - nonpvp.
olive wraith
You press bb, rampage, bloodthirst, slam, ww. All depending on the situation
mighty rover
That's that then I guess.
formal ravine
Ignore the "if the buff is not currently active " bit
mighty rover
What's bb?
junior gale
Bloodbath
formal ravine
Reckless abandon causes bloodthirst to turn into bb (bloodbath)
So basically every rampge you use follow it with a bb
if you have enough rage repeat that process
If not press the rest
on aoe use a whirlwhind every 4 abilities you use to get the cleave buff
mighty rover
I can't seem to find an ability called Bloodbath in my spellbook / talents o.O It's late and i'm tired tho.
mighty rover
Yes. That's on my bars.
formal ravine
so if you take a talent further down called Reckless abandon
mighty rover
Aah o.o
formal ravine
Every time you press rampage it transforms bloodthirst into bloodbath
You do not need a new key for it
imagine it's just an empowered bloodthirst
With a fancy name
mighty rover
Thanks ❤️
spiral oasis
Are demon hunter players ok
mighty rover
Is there any toy that can be used in a raid to pre-pull gain rage?
spiral oasis
Is there any toy that can be used in a raid to pre-pull gain rage?
whatchu mean
modest condor
rage resets on raid boss start
spiral oasis
I'm p sure ur rage resets on raid boss pull
junior gale
no pre pull cheese
naive umbra
That's that then I guess.
whoops i've been macroing recklessness and avatar
spiral oasis
whoops i've been macroing recklessness and avatar
mighty rover
Quality of life vs micro-optimized dps I guess.
spiral oasis
It's a good chunk of dps loss
You want OF on CD before avatar because you have guaranteed cooldown reduction from your BB hits
gilded pawn
Is there any toy that can be used in a raid to pre-pull gain rage?
the only thing you can micro optimize for dps is pre pull shattering throw
thats it
summer quail
Quality of life vs micro-optimized dps I guess.
it is not micro optimized. it's big
gilded pawn
and yeah its relatively big
mighty rover
the only thing you can micro optimize for dps is pre pull shattering throw
that's pretty cool, but not yeah optimal to talent into it just for that. I guess normal heroic throw would do too? 😄
gilded pawn
sure
mighty rover
Heroic throw charge lol.
gilded pawn
i forgot throw is not baseline
mighty rover
Kitchen sink pull.
mighty rover
it is not micro optimized. it's big
Well depends if you're high end dpsing or playing +2 m+. The habit that will grow from it though, will cause problems in the long run.
summer quail
it does not depend
mighty rover
If youre 484 ilvl why would you bother. You're probably boosting a friend anyway.
spiral oasis
If youre 484 ilvl why would you bother. You're probably boosting a friend anyway...
why would you bother doing what..
huh..
olive wraith
You would still want to do your rotation correctly
summer quail
why in the world would you do a 2 then... feels like you're just trying to make an argument where you could be somewhat right and it's dumb
mighty rover
There's a relaxed way to play wow and a less relaxed way to play wow. Lot's of ways of playing are ok, doesn't always have to be the most optimal. To each their own way of playing.
In the end, it's just a fun game 🙂
olive wraith
You came in here for rotation help
mighty rover
This is the place to ask for that right? I'm not a fury player, doesn't mean i'm not a warrior player.
mighty rover
Right, this conversation is not going forwards o.O Thanks for the rotation help, I'll start practicing Fury 🙂
clever path
isnt the point of playing dps to do as much dps as possible
to squeeze everything out of your class
mighty rover
😄 To squeeze everything out of your class and just to do some chill stuff are both valid ends of the spectrum.
spiral oasis
"How do I do my rotation"
"Do this"
"I think that's overoptimizing"
"That is the rotation it is like 5 buttons"
"no thank you"
olive wraith
If you’re casual not necessarily.
But ya. If you ask for help and then complain about overoptimizing then 🤷🏼♂️
mighty rover
"How do I do my rotation"
"Do this"
"I think that's overoptimizing"
"That is the...
Nah not the case brah, I was asking what's the condensed version of the relaxed rotation. But now you're just nitpicking. Let's carry on with our lives ok? On to next topics. Thanks for the tips, I really appreciate your wisdom here 🙂
mighty rover
But ya. If you ask for help and then complain about overoptimizing then 🤷🏼♂️
Not complaining tho. Just stating that I might not wanna optimize so much, macroing recklesness etc. is fine in my books too.
spiral oasis
ok so basically don't use recklessness and avatar together because you want to use ava after using OF
you loose out on a lot of dps if you don't put OF on CD first.
olive wraith
The relaxed version is do what you want
clever path
😄 To squeeze everything out of your class and just to do some chill stuff are b...
depends what you want
to deal a lot of dmg
or not
mighty rover
Those are the only options? I just wanted to do average ok dps.
spiral oasis
Yes.
tulip swallow
Doesn't the tier stack to 6 anyway?
junior gale
its not about the tier
olive wraith
It does but you like Of damage
spiral oasis
6 crits to refund 2.5s of OF each
clever path
yes it does but odyns fury dot gets overwritten
olive wraith
If you overlap
junior gale
Dancing Blades
olive wraith
And ya you lose DB uptime
clever path
Dancing Blades
i mean you dont hold odyns till 4s of db
ava*
you hold ava until of dot falls off / odyns' ava falls off
gilded pawn
yeah
junior gale
is just 1 of the many reasons why u hold ava
junior gale
DB was the first that came to mind
gilded pawn
but you really want to ensure the dot goes the whole way
clever path
so if you press ava on 4s of db you dont lose uptime
olive wraith
We’re saying the same thing
modest condor
losing avatar uptime is worse than losing db uptime
clever path
^
modest condor
well technically you dont lose avatar uptime
but you lose avatar uptime during your other cds
missing that 20% damage bonus on a bloodbath
no bueno
tardy lark
<@198808002629730304> Augaard when?
Budgetspyro is comfortably parked outside naxxramas to farm the 15 weekly t3 tokens
clever path
ye since bb is all of your dmg
tardy lark
Aagy too low to be on the Screenshot
I didn’t even get to press execute as arms man. Boss literally died in less than 30 seconds 
red yew
Budgetspyro is comfortably parked outside naxxramas to farm the 15 weekly t3 tok...
Missed opportunity 😔
red yew
I didn’t even get to press execute as arms man. Boss literally died in less than...
Umm ACKCHUALLY it says 0:33 on the fight timer 🤓
tardy lark
I’ll alt melee classes, but ranged is a no go (outside selling PIs)
tardy lark
Umm ACKCHUALLY it says 0:33 on the fight timer 🤓
Keep yourself safe 
olive wraith
I kinda like demo rn
tardy lark
Walli going to echo and I won’t even have to alt anything and just play double warrior 
mortal rock
what is a stronger melee class other then fury warrior in both raid and m+ ?
summer quail
dh and rogue
robust leaf
what is the best embelshments for m+ guys and why ?
tulip swallow
unless I fucked up the custom APL or there's a bug in simc, from what I can tell the avatar/OF order is incredibly minor. Like so minor that it's within the margin of error on single target at least on my character
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dBRV9Rym9iurkGavrF7Mmb
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bcoCACRu65KPBuXgsW4fXA
tulip swallow
second one was removing the "&buff.dancing_blades.remains<5" from OF line and the "&cooldown.odyns_fury.remains" on the avatar line
clever path
no clue but delaying ava should be a noticeable dps increase
tardy lark
In simc the avatar and and of versions of the dot are treated as individual dots, meaning they aren’t overwritten
tulip swallow
wack
tardy lark
That said, it’s 200k damage loss if you macro it in the opener and then play it perfectly outside opener
Minor in the grand scheme, but big in a short fight
tardy lark
I don’t mind the lazy option being a little worse. You can still do 99s using lazy opener
midnight kite
smolderon feels like its 4set rng more then timing
tulip swallow
Smolderon for me just seemed like it was how far backwards the orbs decided to spawn
tardy lark
4set has nothing to do with playing your avatar and reck correct on smolderon
midnight kite
bad procs you cant greed another OF
modest condor
unless I fucked up the custom APL or there's a bug in simc, from what I can tell...
the odyn's fury dot from titan's torment is considered a seperate ability in sims, so it just overlaps the dots rather than refreshing it
oh wait
im late
junior gale
Tardy to da party
modest condor
that's my middle name
wild mural
Tardy to da party
Me
lyric thistle
whats best weapon to pair with the leggo axe?
true sapphire
Whatever sims best
thin dew
Any knowledge if lariat gonna be good after 2-3 gems?
olive wraith
Probably gonna need more than that
lyric thistle
oh does the leggo axe sim now? last i look it wasnt on it but was a bit ago haha
ty
thin dew
ty
modest condor
lego axe got added pretty much when the first one was completed
lyric thistle
oh nice, sorry i only just realised haha ty
covert blaze
First name's Re
Toobased
red yew
still swift
whats best weapon to pair with the leggo axe?
these kinda ppl get lego man
lyric thistle
LOL
still swift
still swift
hate demon hunners
spiral oasis
I'm considering leveling a havoc just because I know I'd be unstoppable
still swift
i was in a fall earlier on my dh and first pull i had 7 resets on immo aura
i pressed it 6x in a row
and when they all bombed my dps spiked to 1.7m
spiral oasis
what the fuck
marble swift
Can you get fyralak in the weekly vault?
spiral oasis
bad bait
marble swift
summer quail
Can you get fyralak in the weekly vault?
you can't, only I can
junior gale
Can you get fyralak in the weekly vault?
yeah you can
this is me when I got it in vault
marble swift
clever path
real
marble swift
What is real is the bullshit that uncapped aoe DPS is allowed for some classes but not others
frank dawn
that idea has really worked out great hasn't it
marble swift
Why did ion cap warrior AOE but BM hunters can rend to infinite amounts
spiral oasis
u don't understand demon hunters need to do more uncapped aoe and st damage
marble swift
It must be sub based
junior gale
in a perfectly tuned world it works and it makes sense
spiral oasis
you don't get it BM hunters HAVE to be able to do whatever they want using a total of 3 buttons
junior gale
but we dont live in that world
modest condor
"we want some specs to be better at cleave damage and some to be better on big aoe" proceeds to make the same specs best on both
marble swift
Peak suffering is the azralon BM hunter dying every boss pull
And not trapping spirits
spiral oasis
It's insane that BM hunters can have as much 2 target damage as an arms warrior
junior gale
remember when Outlaw was also capped at 5 targets
then blizzard was like lets increase that
Meanwhile Fury
spiral oasis
surely the legendary will complete us
clever path
not only
is gorehowl just
worse
than nick of time or w/e
is the name of the timestrike one
we cant even wield 2 of them
open prairie
Peak suffering is the azralon BM hunter dying every boss pull
azralon what did you expect
marble swift
I legit said that last bricked key to the lead
BM hunter rio is inflated to the moon I just don't invite them anymore
open prairie
also interesting hmm
timewalking raid weekly quest
gives you a hero track piece
from the instance
neon nacelle
yeah you can
Is that true ? Any difficult needed to drop it ?
mighty rover
Yep got a hero track wrist, upgraded to 483, stats were neat too - totally facerolled mechanics. Effort: 20-30 minutes
junior gale
marble swift
Raid finder has best chance to get vault
But you have to only do fyrakk
So if you get tswift drop the raid
junior gale
can confirm if u kill Fyrak on lfr only you have a 69% chance for it to be in vault
spiral oasis
2009 style video telling you to do some convoluted nonsense to get fyralath to drop
summer quail
ye it's like getting Mew in pokemon
spiral oasis
can you join a guild cross faction yet
junior gale
yes
spiral oasis
NO FOOLIN?
junior gale
yes believe that was 10.2
open prairie
Yep got a hero track wrist, upgraded to 483, stats were neat too - totally facer...
honestly im more interested in seeing if any particular old trinkets would be potent
scaled up
spiral oasis
i must create a dwarf
summer quail
you can, i'm dwarf in a horde guild @spiral oasis
small osprey
you just need to be invited by some1 on ur bnet friendlist for some reason
spiral oasis
prolly some spaghetti code shit
junior gale
100% is
open prairie
our guild is split
we call the horde players mud hut dwellers though
and no paved roads
marble swift
honestly im more interested in seeing if any particular old trinkets would be po...
They'd immediately nuke them like they've done in the past
open prairie
They'd immediately nuke them like they've done in the past
who knows tbh
you only get one chance when the event rolls around
since base drop is only champion
open prairie
otherwise ig its nice for alts since you can catalyze the gear
bc
so black temple
mighty rover
honestly im more interested in seeing if any particular old trinkets would be po...
Same. There could be some cool loot in there.
open prairie
there is a crit proc trinket that might be good on classes like dh
but old trinkets proc like once a year
so maybe not
marble swift
Hope you like buffed hit rating
open prairie
there’s also wrathstone from ulduar which is technically like ashes?
except no decay and base crit instead of haste
mighty rover
The bt raid dropped a ton of 450 loot of i remember correctly. Champion tracki believe. Great place for alts.
open prairie
go on retail client
open prairie
The bt raid dropped a ton of 450 loot of i remember correctly. Champion tracki b...
unless your only drop was the increase hp trinket
no idea why thats lootable by dps
midnight kite
I simmed all the TW trinkets earlier this week and none seems notable unless they sim wrong
I think firelands vessal was the best one at like -1.5% vs my trinkets
open prairie
I simmed all the TW trinkets earlier this week and none seems notable unless the...
yeah i was only thinking wrathstone might be good for classes that prefer crit over haste?
as a 2min instead of ashes
open prairie
yeah i mean firelands loot is probs only usable due to mastery existing
in cata onward
marble swift
Trinkets in modern wow require a PhD to interpret
midnight kite
oh?
midnight kite
as long as a dungeon trinket dosent end up op
I think I am still slightly mentally damaged by farming a faulty countermeasure from timewalking
Atleast if a raid trinkets op I run it once, get disapointed and its over
open prairie
yeah
i used to joke melandrus ring from legion tw would have had potential if it didnt cap at 450 ilvl
midnight kite
I got one last legion TW running for the box (augury cope) but at such a low ilvl it was a huge loss
the necklace from kazzak on the aniversary was pretty good considering but still not BiS by any means
open prairie
yeah that neck is funny
open prairie
hello
gilded pawn
where have u been
gilded pawn
have you been playing
tepid scroll
Could we see some warrior changes this week? 😮
snow edge
0 changes announced, it's Christmas time, seems unlikely
sinful spoke
meager gyro
well I stuck through an awful key with pugs on eu that didn't know shit about ToT and what do you know, I was rewarded
fiery harbor
i do wish orc racial would go down to 1.5min just to always be available with avatar like that trinket. it's a small thing but it's irritating
tepid scroll
is coiled serpent mid for m+?
summer quail
is coiled serpent mid for m+?
It's mid for everything
calm mantle
Just did a 22 everbloom, we bricked it kileld 3rd boss but no time for last and I was told I'm the reason it bricked
Here's the dps for the run, I died twice, once being last boss at 1% the run had 19 deaths.
Hunter and mage both died twice to mob pulls before third boss(also didn't release and waited for a res) and died on 3rd boss and then had the audacity to say "Just wipe so we can end this"
spring geyser
Just did a 22 everbloom, we bricked it kileld 3rd boss but no time for last and ...
Just frustrated and looking to point fingers at one person/cause for depletion. Usually depletion is a team effort
dense elbow
DPS is not the whole story, for all we know you could have: body pulled, failed stops, forced positioning, strained deff CDs, and so on.
Ask them for details, if they got no good points, then you can ignore the feedback. Best would be to review your own vod 
vocal igloo
i mean if you died early on 3rd boss that's potentially 2mins on timer right there
calm mantle
I died 1% the other 2 dps died at like 14% . The only thing anyone said to me the whole dungeon was that I should be stunning the berserkers more often. Apart from that nothing till we were giving up.
dense elbow
I would still just respectably ask them. If they got no usable feedback, so be it. But, there could be gold in the pile of shit. Don't dive into and make it your home. But a quick overview won't hurt, look for a shiny.
vocal igloo
you should link meters for 3rd boss
cosmic lance
I've had BM hunters doing 300k overalls and not using kicks
Some people can't look past a damage meter
calm mantle
I would still just respectably ask them. If they got no usable feedback, so be i...
Oh I asked, nothing constructive.
calm mantle
you should link meters for 3rd boss
dense elbow
I try not to judge DPS, as my 250k is shit when I compare with real DPS players. We are all playing on different levels, with different takes on what is decent for the content
cosmic lance
If its a scuffed key your DPS is going to tank hard as well
calm mantle
I mean I'm an average warrior player at best. My issue is to my knowledge BM hunters at least should be out dpsing me on any large mob pull and Everbloom has a fair few of those.
cosmic lance
Assuming equal gear/skill a BM hunter should dumpster you in EB yes
dense elbow
Very pull dependant, if they slow down, then we beat em
cosmic lance
Unless they're doing weirdly small pulls
I think last EB i did, i was doing more prio damage on Aboms etc, but the BM hunter was doing double my damage on dread petals etc
That was actually where most of the overall difference was, dread petals/spitefuls etc
So yes, they're doing more overall but its debatable if it's making the key meaningfully faster, as you're still left with an abom after they've dumped CDs into cleaving flowers
calm mantle
This is details breakdown of "Witherbark trash" I'm left hunter is right.
I did 269k over all to hunters 312k
cosmic lance
idk, i can only speak for my own experience with it
different pull patterns etc
Maybe you had an ethical hunter that focused on killing the important shit
keen kindle
This is details breakdown of "Witherbark trash" I'm left hunter is right.
Dude the hunter has almost 30% spiteful damage
calm mantle
Dude the hunter has almost 30% spiteful damage
gotta pad those dps numbers no?
calm mantle
I mean they do die on their own. just stun and run.
indigo quarry
kill them faster
final birch
I think last EB i did, i was doing more prio damage on Aboms etc, but the BM hun...
That’s what I like to do, just focus on prio and let them take the overall credit
Who cares how much u did
U timed the key
frosty heron
hey guys . is the neck from brh better than dht neck ? i did sims and it's 0% upgrade wjth my current gear . but i see a lot of people wearing it as fury . i dont know how to sims something i dont have for top gear sims.
Im siming 225k with my actual gear
frosty heron
well i guess i have to loot it to find out
cosmic lance
Go to wowhead and look the item up, set the ilvl to what you need and copy/paste it into your top gear code
It has a tag for simc import strings on wowhead items
Or use gear compare
wanton mirage
You can try it in droptimizer easily what dungeons you should prioritize
cosmic lance
Which is much easier
keen moon
Gear compare/ droptimizer
low folio
I did 269k over all to hunters 312k
bm hunters on everbloom should probably always beat a warrior
lyric thistle
what build do you use on an alt warrior if you dont have 2 set or 4 set yet?
oblique trail
S2/t30 talents
subtle lagoon
Finally broke 3.2k
serene kraken
Whats most efficient m+ lvl to farm flightstones?
summer quail
2s
still swift
S2/t30 talents
ty
covert blaze
@oblique trail nice pfp 
calm mantle
I hate this game
quiet bramble
haha, an aug evoker made me feel like a god in Waycrest
low folio
honestly just blame the last guy to die, its definitely hios fault
calm mantle
I did LOL
I was like "if only you didn't die at 2% on 3rd boss, why didn't you bubble?"
Jokingly ofc.
low folio
pally dieing without bubble
calm mantle
I dunno if he bubbled or not honestly. I just wanted to call him out.
calm mantle
It was a solid group tho, unfortunate but good group
oblique trail
maybe if u were better
maybe if I was better we would've +3'd all of the BRHs yesterday
5t cap moment
restive belfry
jovial coral
Guess who has an enh sham in their group right now @oblique trail
oblique trail
I do
eternal sundial
Walli going to echo and I won’t even have to alt anything and just play double w...
oblique trail
Real
The Enhance alt that I've helped gear was in for our mythic reclear this week
We are so back (not really because still no lego or trinkets yet)
errant vessel
gotta pad those dps numbers no?
Not sure Spiteful dmg is counted in overall after dungeon’s over? I know logs don’t at least
lyric tartan
do you guys think the legendary axe BLP resets on faction change?
vale dove
whatcha reckon 483 crab or 489 augury for M+
vale dove
Not sure Spiteful dmg is counted in overall after dungeon’s over? I know logs do...
it is in details
errant vessel
Sim (I’d prob pick Aug though)
calm mantle
Wait is crab even that good?
summer quail
whatcha reckon 483 crab or 489 augury for M+
Augury any day
vale dove
Ye gathered just saw some guys bigging up crab/ember in m+
clever belfry
Augury any day
glueless
quiet bramble
I'm using branch and coil right now.
covert blaze
Ye gathered just saw some guys bigging up crab/ember in m+
Not everyone has an augury
quiet bramble
Branch is my favorite trinket even with the snare
vale dove
Not everyone has an augury
sure but losing mainstat is quite big
Augury doing 5-8% of my overall in m+
twin glacier
Wait is crab even that good?
Might is the default trinket for m+. Then augary>crab>rezan>signet
fading bane
signet is way better than rezan
twin glacier
If u can keep the buff up yes
twin glacier
Rezan has no draw back
vale dove
but without spiteful its a pain
fading bane
you dont even need to play around it at all for it to beat rezan
summer quail
Even if you drop stacks a few times i would still use it over rezan
covert blaze
Might is the default trinket for m+. Then augary>crab>rezan>signet
Block is decent too
lavish grove
Rezan is trash
nocturne dragon
Oof, then I will use it as placeholder. I mean better than nothing since I am not that lucky on drop
night egret
calm mantle
I was told I was going to be reddit famous now a little disappointed that theres no post :c
calm mantle
Oof, then I will use it as placeholder. I mean better than nothing since I am no...
Im still using sandglass and crab for my trinkets both m+ and ST
past pivot
Rezan has no draw back
Rezan is not really a trinket for MT. There’s at least a half dozen better trinkets for m+ than it.
vale dove
ye augs better in my sims
errant vessel
Might is the default trinket for m+. Then augary>crab>rezan>signet
Surely Ember of Nullification is better than crab
errant vessel
Because it gives you 721 vers 100% of the time at 483
And might be my own sims biased towards it
snow edge
Both are good, but it's also dependent on the person's set-up
flat river
real
deft thicket
guys when season 4 comes live and we can do fated raids which items do you believe are gonna be bis from raids?
idle osprey
good vault this week <:gladge:963970137701109820>
That last one isn't 20. 🔫
clever belfry
That last one isn't 20. 🔫
-15 wyrmcrest oh no!
tacit abyss
guys when season 4 comes live and we can do fated raids which items do you belie...
Dathea trinket in aoe
frosty heron
icon was strong too
clever belfry
icon+oce YEP
clever path
Just need an augury or a korrenwurrzelw knochenbrenchen
still swift
Just need an augury or a korrenwurrzelw knochenbrenchen
bless you
deft thicket
Dathea trinket in aoe
yeah that was pretty nice
clever belfry
The big ones yes
still swift
that's valuable
clever belfry
Eh at this point its gonn be fineeee
still swift
those 15 make the diff between upgrading 3 or 2 crafted items next week
flat river
REAL
unreal onyx
I don’t need 3 m+ slots when my hero raid slot has an augury waiting
clever path
real
violet trail
Just simbait your loot council and convince them that Augury is a 6666 dps increase for you above others and they give it to you.
calm mantle
When you get brezed twice into death
sullen dove
dont take the brez into death 
acoustic furnace
It really do be that simple
You can literally see where you'll rez at just wait a few seconds and glance to see if accepting it will kill you
calm mantle
First one was my bad, during the mob phase of first boss on throne, second one the moment I hit it the boss went "AOE TIME"
earnest galleon
leggo day 
sullen dove
aside from the obvious like "dont rez into a puddle or swirl" it can be a bit harder to know when aoe mechanics are coming out unless you just are kinda keeping a tab on it in the back of your head
or like dbm should also kinda say things like thats coming up
idk if its perfectly accurate tho
calm mantle
First one was a dumb swirld second one was that lightning zap aoe that just hits like a truck in a 24 apparently.
sullen dove
if by aoe time you mean the thunderstorm you can also reflect and itll reflect the first tick of damage it would otherwise do to you
violet trail
You guys play without timers for when mechanics happen?
calm mantle
Oh my bigwigs screamed "AOE!" right after I hit Brez.
sullen dove
you typically only get hit once or twice
so like rez immediately reflect you prolly can live that fine
calm mantle
if by aoe time you mean the thunderstorm you can also reflect and itll reflect t...
Can't react taht fast if i just hit brez :c
was was like .5 of a second lol
sullen dove
eh i mean if you like see the cast bar showing up before you brez i think its a decent amount of time but ya
just kinda knowing how to deal with what you can and if not you just sit on the floor a few more seconds w/e
for completely unavoid/mitigateable aoe
calm mantle
I'm put this one down to sleepy brainfast because its 1:30 am
sullen dove
real
calm mantle
but here I am still considerign staying up for vault and heroic raid
and calling in sick to work in the morning.
sullen dove
leggo day <a:huggies:800812796647833632>
haha surely 
huh
o are you in like australia o rsum
upside down land
calm mantle
I am
sullen dove
ez
calm mantle
What better day to call in sick then reset day
clever belfry
aussie aussie aussie
sullen dove
idk i mean prolly inadviseable unless you're like, omega chill with your job for you to do that
reset day dopamine lasts like, 1 minute after you open vault, then if you do heroic raid maybe an hour
calm mantle
I'm a temp staff so they honestly can't really do shit but get annoyed. But they also understaff so they will still give me work.
sullen dove
then its despairge on cooldown for the next 6 and 9/10ths of a day
calm mantle
I mean we so understaffed they have me working in the warehouse solo a month into my job.
sullen dove
calm mantle
Lets poll
Am I getting all armor again this week in my vault? or will the game bless me with a weapon or trinket?
sullen dove
all this work just to pick a socket
earnest galleon
yup
calm mantle
I don't got mythic raid, but my keys are 23, 22, 22
calm mantle
I've done like 15 thrones at least this week hoping for a might
it ain't coming
I also refuse to help anyone with a throne under 17 because then it will drop just to torment me as champion
sullen dove
hoary locust
I've done like 15 thrones at least this week hoping for a might
Got it on my first run heroic level.
But still no augury...
sullen dove
wild how that week 1 liquid split for fyrakk netted me heroic augury out of vault the next week
didn even know how good it was just that it was "very rare trinket" from heroic endboss so yoink
still swift
yea but that means you're NA which sadly still results in an L
spiral night
Lol 😂😂
lavish grove
yea but that means you're NA which sadly still results in an L
Gottem
sullen dove
🦅
still swift
https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385
this guy is now in jail for shooting guns and having weapons far past a normally achievable firearm license, 20 years behind bars. where's ur freedom now.
sullen dove
na he lives in texas he arright
that one like tv show segment about a guy whos not supposed to have more than like 2 guns
"yea i got a gun hidden every 3 feet in this house"
dam server shutdown like 20 seconds before vault opens
scheduled at least
mfs knew what tehy were doing
not lettin us break in early
tragic
left perch
na he lives in texas he arright
You dress that in Texas you gonna get unironically called a Brit
marble swift
oh fuck oh shit i got fyralath in my box!!!
still swift
oh shit oh fuck me too but I have to choose cuz there's a 496 augury next to it???
marble swift
marble swift
probably right, youd get the axe
sullen dove
surely
sullen dove
bro titanforged his crafted gear
tardy lark
Miss tittyforging
marble swift
titanforging was horrendous
tardy lark
🐐 system
left perch
👁️ edited
tardy lark
You saw nothing
sullen dove
tbh titanforge would be cool if it didnt A) have different fuckin upgrade amounts and B) work on stupid as shit op world boss items
cough arcanocrystal
like if if took random world quest loot up to like normal raid ilvl or whatever that'd be ok
still swift
titanforging Was based they just had to limit it a bit more
vale dove
Fury buffs soon? Plez
sullen dove
basically what you can do with upgrade system now
tardy lark
Warrior dead class. Go rogue instead
sullen dove
and fury dont need buffs lol
fury just needs legendary
your buff exists in the game
get lucky
marble swift
i dont want fury buffs, i want dh and bm to burn
vale dove
Fury needs m+ buffs
sullen dove
m+ more reasonable
marble swift
reforging was excellent
vale dove
M+ were dog tier
red dirge
M+ were dog tier
bc we capped on 5 targets
vale dove
Indeed
marble swift
my damage parses at 94pct are 50k lower than a bm with same parse pct
sullen dove
less we're capped on 5 and more the classes that arent capped at 5 do more damage than us on 5
marble swift
what on earth
red dirge
fading sky
less we're capped on 5 and more the classes that arent capped at 5 do more damag...
This ye
sullen dove
if we ACTUALLY did damage in 5 targets it'd be fine
fading sky
Then 5 target would be niche
marble swift
plus there's no reason to bring a warrior for affixes, and no lust, and no brez
tardy lark
Assa hc parses first week being 300k while rest of the classes are at 200-250k
fading sky
In raid fury is good though
fading sky
Or well if i get leggo is must be goos
tardy lark
Seems so. It’s very cool
sullen dove
leggo dot applies like uncapped right
so i think its way more of a gain in m+
than st
def part of it
but still think we should be better 5 targets than we are now
just personal dmg
fading sky
Either that or uncapped ppl need to be nerfed 5 targets
marble swift
that was the promise back in 10.0
fading sky
But always better to buff than nerf
marble swift
that everyone would be 5 capped
fading sky
I do not enjoy all being 5 capped enjoy the diversity
mighty rover
Is arms 5 capped?
marble swift
bs is for sure
acoustic furnace
Arms is 2 capped outside of BS lol
mighty rover
fervor of battle might be yeah different
red dirge
anybody know when servers are back up
sullen dove
within 40 minutes
fading sky
Ww is also 8
sullen dove
rugged blade
acoustic furnace
Only reason we perform poorly is bc our massive peens block our keybinds