fury

[fading sky]

im not disagreeing with you, only the guy that said fury is awfull

because, i play arms and fury in keys and raid (only fury coz its just better)

and man after playing 2-3 keys in arms

when u go back into fury... you really feel it flows better

easier acces to shockwave

fear sb

[edgy widget]

they both have the same access to Shockwave

people continually want to believe it's more important for Arms for some reason, but it's absolutely not

[fading sky]

in juggernaut id have to remove critical thinking

i spam execute, so id say it has some merit no ?

[edgy widget]

it's really a very minor node

[fading sky]

isnt it 10% exe? and 2 % crit?

im not on my char atm

[edgy widget]

this shit about Arms can't take shockwave is the biggest crock of shit

promoted by people who just don't want to take Shockwave

[fading sky]

i mean when i play bladestorm build

or fob

i take shockwave

but we do have less talents to play with, coz we gotta take stompies

[dense elbow]

Arms still populated by that camp, huh. The anti shockwave gang is for sure tenacious

[vestal ice]

Archimitiros, the problem is shockwave is should not be a capstone talent for dps warrior, we shouldn't have to choose shockwave or some other talent. we hardly have any utility for party and choosing to take shockwave in this meta just fucking sucks

[fading sky]

i mean theres no doubt in my mind

SB baseline

shockwave in that spot

[vestal ice]

it literally should compete with piercing howl level talents

[fading sky]

shockwave replaced with Aftershock

[vestal ice]

when its at the botton for no reason

[fading sky]

aftershock did great burst dmg at least

and was more of a ccer than a stunner

[vestal ice]

yeah i d k why they removed that awesome m+ power

[fading sky]

i mean it had a spot in raid as well

i feel that it was a fackin awesome spell and hate that they chose spear

though i understand spear from a pvp perspective

[vestal ice]

spear of bastion is unusable for M+ and forced to take roar on fury?
Why the fuck wud I take shockwave when other classes have better stuns as cheaper talent points that are spammable as well

its literally making the entire pack stun DR +1

[fading sky]

in pug fury its a good to have ngl

[edgy widget]

I wouldn't say it's unusable at all, but it's definitely more difficult

[lean heart]

shockwave should be baseline for sure

[tame yarrow]

Spear is only used ST cause of biggest numbers

[edgy widget]

because you're not another class, lmao

[vestal ice]

its the last resort, I agree but sucks that its a bottom talent competing with a slight amt of dps

[edgy widget]

its a very slight amount of DPS

[lean heart]

feels nice finally having it but man it does feel kinda bad dropping 2 pts

[tame yarrow]

Just spear mobs onto sanguine

[edgy widget]

problem is aftershock isn't a stop, it's a DPS button

and you're going to use it as a DPS button

it's the same reason Sonic Boom is a bad talent, even if it were powerful

[fading sky]

in the tree

i didnt mean replace it 100%

as i said shockwave in sbs spot

and a new capstone being aftershock

[clever path]

idk i went from liking the gameplay to hating it

primarily m+ tho

raid is fine for the most part

as long as you have wf

[fading sky]

the way it worked. on pull u had 15 seconds of casters not being able to cast

[edgy widget]

Idk why, the M+ gameplay is super smooth too tbh

you get OF back so fast in AoE

[fading sky]

isnt that a good thing even if its a dps button

[vestal ice]

yes but remembering shadowlands, everyone knew that if u see aftershock in MoTS, no one else will use CC & its knockback making it insanely valuable as its not stun DR

[oblique trail]

The only part I despise about the current Fury is that OF CDR is tied to crit

[edgy widget]

it's vaulable, but it's not really utility

it's a DPS button that happens to lock some things down

[oblique trail]

Always hated crit CDR

[lean heart]

i will admit not being able to constantly spam WW took a bit to get used to but honestly its fine felt smooth after u get used to counting

[edgy widget]

maybe, but its pretty damn reliable when cleaving 5 targets

[fading sky]

in my good pug or guild m+ it was insanely powerfull

[edgy widget]

if it only got CDR off the main target, then yeah I'd agree

[fading sky]

in the bad ones it was ofc shit but thats always the case

[pseudo rampart]

Slaughtering strikes vs bloodcraze for m+? What u guys play?

[tame yarrow]

Just put shockwave where the aoe stuns for DH is and not as a keystone talent lol

[oblique trail]

In M+ yeah it's mostly fine

But a good example is Igira

[vestal ice]

it was, it felt v powerful in dungeons with big kicks needed

[oblique trail]

Sometimes I don't actually have OF ready because I don't crit

[fading sky]

whole problem is they tried to make shockwave do dmg... and it doesnt do enough

[oblique trail]

And I repeatedly get to 80% crit chance on BT multiple times in a row

[fading sky]

so either it needs to be buffed to a stupid amount but then its prob TO good

[vestal ice]

anyway point is, compared to aftershock in M+ roar spear and shockwave utterly suck

[edgy widget]

Igira's timing is a little tight yeah, but there are always gonna be fights like that, where something comes out on a predictible cadence

[tame yarrow]

Noone wants Shockwave as a damage spell tbh

[lean heart]

bloodcraze for st slaughtering strikes for pad

[fading sky]

exactly

me either

[edgy widget]

it's not like Igira or Fury were designed for one another

[vestal ice]

talking abt where they are placed in talent tree thus

[edgy widget]

in terms of capability, sure, but the point is that they're fundamentally different abilities

Shockwave is a utility button, Aftershock ain't

[tame yarrow]

Would be nice to uncap meatcleaver (while keeping in balanced ofc)

[fading sky]

i mean archie it was both

at least in my mind when doing keys

it worked so well to lock down packs that i held it when it mattered

and bad players didnt

but bad players will always be bad

[earnest olive]

lariot sims higher for me then filigree pendant.?.. lariot 476 pendant 483. thought lariot wasnt the go this tier

[oblique trail]

Lariat is still good

Especially when you have full sockets

[summer quail]

did you sim with another embellish as well? coz ofc lariat is gonna outsim a non embellie

[edgy widget]

one of them has an embellishment, the other doesn't

they're not directly comparable

you need to compare Lariat vs Raven plus another embellishment

[earnest olive]

ohh i see ty

[fading sky]

if u have full sockets lariet is better in MT than shadowflame

lariat*

[edgy widget]

so what would you use in place of Lariat's embellishment? Probably Shadowflame or Allied wrists

[earnest olive]

yeah flame

[vestal ice]

I agree with u that they are not the same, am just saying shockwave today in its current state is trash to point into, its the last backup u want to use atleast in its current state, which is of absolutely no help to warrior & warrior needs help for sure

[edgy widget]

idk, it's really not that hard to take

[fading sky]

i mean u shouldnt have to have 2 dps capstones and a 3rd utility in my mind

[tame yarrow]

Fury can take it

[edgy widget]

Think a lot of people get stuck on what they think it should be rather than what it is

[vestal ice]

I take it, everytime, but its useless because ai have to use it after other ccs as otherwise putting entire pack on a stun dr for a 2 sec stun

[edgy widget]

and what it is, is an average 1-2% dps loss, which is trivial in a M+

I mean if you're running in a group full of AoE stuns, then sure don't take it

like c'mon

nobody said you can't apply a little bit of critical thinking to the situation

[tame yarrow]

We're behind like 10-15% tp DH anyway

[edgy widget]

but if you're with a group comp that isn't full of stuns, or pugs that you don't trust, Shockwave can be very clutch

especially with the number of interrupts and bullshit this season

[tame yarrow]

Yep

[edgy widget]

shit I'll throw it on spitefuls just to give people a breather

and honestly, as many groups as I've done with other CC classes, I don't think I've ever run into a problem of making mobs stun immune

maybe we're just naturally lucky about not overlapping our CCs that much, but I think that argument is a largely overplayed hypothetical

Can always just take Int Shout instead, though I'm not sure it's actually easier to path to this tier (could always drop Barbaric or Crushing Force, they're not that important)

[tame yarrow]

Int shout target capped though

[vestal ice]

you can tell all u want, what am trying to say it put shackwave in row 3, and give it am improved version like capacitor totem

[oblique trail]

Is basically what I run this week, and if it's not Incorp I take P&G instead of Shattering

[vestal ice]

which is asuperior version of ur shockwave, and is also counted as stun dr

[oblique trail]

Ofc this is also because I just pug weekly 20s so I trust literally no one

Don't remember the last time I talented CF either

[tame yarrow]

Shochwave is totally fine on fury. I just feels bad to take it conpared how easy other classes can take their cc. And we're already behind on dps so its double the pain 😄

[vestal ice]

ok so when i talked abt DR, if u shockwave everyadd at the start, ur HOJ from paladin will hit for 3 secs next which is so bad

[summer quail]

holy moly, the man actually picked shattering throw. too ethical for me

[vestal ice]

or capacitor totem will work for 1sec

[oblique trail]

It's called play with 4 specs that can solo/take care of Incorp way easier than Warrior but none of them do it

[vestal ice]

we can't just use shockwave freely, yes u can throw it but for what 1 sec stun(assuming 1 DR is stacked)? make it baseline them

[summer quail]

2 sec stun

[dense elbow]

You gonna start yammering for heroism and AoE CR soon

[edgy widget]

I know what stun DR is

I literally just addressed that lol

diminishing duration isn't really so much of an issue, since stops are often (though not always) used as soft interrupts more than hard lockdowns

[vestal ice]

I know you know, i know you are the guy who writes warrior guides, am not trying to educate you here but am saying shockwaves palce in talent tree needs improvement and you say its not that hard to talent into it

[edgy widget]

it's not

it could be easier, but that's not the point

its been there all expansion and ain't gonna change now lol

actually that's not entirely true - they did make it easier to take early on

[tame yarrow]

I dont think they will change it in DF, but I also think so should change the class tree

[edgy widget]

idk, I don't think 1-2% is a huge loss for an AoE stop

honestly I'm not sure it'd be much different if it were in the 2nd tier as opposed to the 3rd

no way in shit it's ever just going baseline though, that's pure fantasy

[tame yarrow]

I agree. I take when my group lacks aoe stops

[vestal ice]

well it was competing with storm bolt since many expansions, now its a capstone

[tame yarrow]

We need to accept the dps loss for the aoe stop currently. It wont change in the near future

Doesnt feel good when our dos is that weak is keys currently though

[edgy widget]

yeah except nobody hardly ever took Storm Bolt when it did

outside of PvP ofc

[tame yarrow]

Our kit for M+ just feels weak compared to other classes. Dps is eh. Utility is eh. We're quite tanky in theory, but then I raise you WL, mage or DH who are way tankier for reasons.

[edgy widget]

I mean that's true, but it's hardly the fault of Shockwave, and making Shockwave easier to take wouldn't really affect that either

[tame yarrow]

Totally agree. Never said that shockwave was the root of our problems 😄

[edgy widget]

Certainly, it was just the subject of conversation

[dense elbow]

Seems to be the thing that is front and center

[vestal ice]

ok being our place in M+ right now, if shockwave was a choice along with storm bolt and its current palce had an improved version of it which either silences all targets for 4 more secs, it would help warrior

[edgy widget]

One of the problems is that the higher you go in M+, the more you have to worry about one-shots, and for all their tankiness, Warriors aren't very good at dealing with them

[edgy widget]

I mean would it though? You'd end up with slightly more damage and less overall stops

[tame yarrow]

I was kind of motivated to push at the start of season. Now I just feel like a liability for my group. And Im sick of queing endlessly for 26+

[tidal kindle]

Shockwave placement is nowhere near the limiting factor of making Warrior meta in keys

[edgy widget]

I mean let's put it in another perspective - would you trade out Storm Bolt for 2% more damage in M+?
I don't feel like that really makes Warriors any better

[tame yarrow]

Dont make that a choice lol. Our utility is already lacking and you want to take a stun away??

[clever belfry]

hey it was nearly meta before mage buff last season...

[tidal kindle]

Well... you're also forgetting

[clever belfry]

aug did not kill fury in 10.1.5

[tidal kindle]

🪦

[clever belfry]

mage did

(so did warlock buffs if mage wasnt buffed tbf!)

[oblique trail]

where were you when warrior was kill

[clever belfry]

i was sitting at home

[oblique trail]

(not playing wow)

[clever belfry]

eating chip

[dense elbow]

In NL doing big dam

[clever belfry]

NL dmg breakdown be like: 70% of your TR dmg on first pull

[tidal kindle]

Spriest was a locked slot, so there were only 2 openings
Warrior was like, the 3rd dps - no?

[summer quail]

it killed fury for you, the birth of andasimp

[tidal kindle]

[clever belfry]

ye spriest was locked, the other 2 you could play whatever really

esp after enh aoe got nerfed

[tidal kindle]

Yeah

[clever belfry]

but what also helped in the downfall of fury was guardian buffs

[tidal kindle]

I remember enh warr sp

[clever belfry]

cause if ur tank

[tidal kindle]

Big strong

[clever belfry]

can just pull 40 mobs and not die

but u do dmg to 5

[tidal kindle]

Yep

[clever belfry]

that aint it chief

the whole .5 patch was just a perfect storm to make fury less good
and reminder it still was the 4th most titled dps that season

[dense elbow]

We got TR we fine

[summer quail]

imagine reworking 3 classes at once and all of them being meta...

[tame yarrow]

I mean Shockwave placement is not optimal, but its not the root of our problems. There way more severe problems than that 😄

[clever belfry]

weird how dh and rogue are both meta now...

[tidal kindle]

Arms giving up most of its strong st key profile to commit big aoe, fury hardcapped 5 rotationally
Are more the problem points than shockwave or fear places

[vestal ice]

am here just throwing ideas to debate and would appreciate if u countered with better ideas rather than dissing it entirely

Yes,I gave it a random idea of silenceing for next 4 secs but that was a random idea, put something more useful that would make it better

Its frustrating to hear We're closely monitoring the performance when they think Fyralath will help the class but its not

[edgy widget]

So just as an example of the whole "Shockwave better higher up" thing - hypothetically speaking, let's say Shockwave were added as an extra node somewhere in the 2nd tier and you want to take it alongside everything else we take (e.g. not giving up Storm Bolt, because obviously that's a loss of utility)

[tame yarrow]

Just give us 2 extra Points in the Class tree. Fixed

[clever belfry]

i think the main issue people have with it is say havoc getting their chaos nova more or less for free

it just feels unfair

[tidal kindle]

Enh has strong st funnel yeah? Or is that old news

[edgy widget]

• Top Result is normal Uproar build
• Shockwave drops it for regular Shockwave
• Every other result drops 2 DPS nodes in the 2nd tier talents for the hypothetical shockwave placement

[dense elbow]

Taking the argument to the extreme, would baseline shockwave matter?

[clever belfry]

it do

not as much as last tier but still

[edgy widget]

in other words, dropping Uproar and Cruel Strikes is actually less opportunity cost than any DPS you would give up in the 2nd tier of talents

hell giving up Sidearm alone is a bigger loss lol

[tame yarrow]

Shockwave baseline = We still dont matter in the current meta

[tidal kindle]

Yeah like enh us hardcapped but they have strong funnel

Fury is hardcapped but no funnel, not strongest ST, and not even the strongest at strict 5t, should at least have that imo

[vestal ice]

this

[edgy widget]

Shockwave is never going baseline, so it's pretty moot

[tidal kindle]

But is what it is

[vestal ice]

Put a better more useful talent where shockwave is

[tidal kindle]

[dense elbow]

It is to point out that shockwave being in X or y spot don't matter. As the whole discussion is moot.

[clever belfry]

ok but fury HAS funnel this tier

its just not v relevant

[edgy widget]

well it does matter what spot its in, because opportunity cost is a thing - as I pointed out

[tame yarrow]

But we're still the coolest class. Guess we got that going for us

[edgy widget]

a more useful utility talent, or more damage?

[tidal kindle]

Make fury tier crit/dammy amp apply to ww cleaved BT...

Now we're cookin

[clever belfry]

then we wouldnt have funnel anymore

real

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-chef-wok-saute-cooking-food-gif-16993886

[oblique trail]

God knows why it wasn't like this to begin with

[vestal ice]

put ancient aftershock there does both (it can have dmg increasing talents below it so it wont be OP by its own i guess)

[edgy widget]

it doesn't

[tame yarrow]

As long as the whole tree stays the same it doesnt matter where Shockwave is - as Archi pointed out

[dense elbow]

Lets give fury it for free, for the sake of argument. Did it fix the issue they want addressed? If not, then why discuss positioning at all.

[edgy widget]

Ancient Aftershock is not utility when you only ever use it for damage lol

[tame yarrow]

And tbf they wont change the whole class tree this expac

[edgy widget]

ain't no way in hell you're ever saving and sending that shit outside your cooldowns

[clever belfry]

make fury tier have no icd for OF -> Ramp -> BB -> Ramp -> BB -> OF
REAL

[edgy widget]

literal zero percent chance unless everyone else is dead and it's the absolute last resort

[clever belfry]

random stops are still nice

see upheavel for augs

[tidal kindle]

Nah wouldnt give the cdr to ww cleave if it was up to me, just the dam portion

[edgy widget]

I'm not sayin it's not nice, but it's not utility

[tidal kindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[edgy widget]

it's not the same role that shockwave plays

[vestal ice]

i mean make a version of it which is more utility than dmg, how can u not get that

[tame yarrow]

Aftershock is dps spell, not CC

[clever belfry]

its very much still util cause you can use it as such if required

[oblique trail]

This would probably unironically make our 5T some of the strongest in the game

[flat sapphire]

If I whirlwind storm bolt should aoe stun

[vestal ice]

there are two more points to chose below it, put the dmg there i d c

[oblique trail]

And actually make our 5T look like it's worth our hardcap..

[clever belfry]

its literally 100% the same thing as upheavel in that regard and anyone who plays decent keys knows how broken that shit is

[tame yarrow]

Just look at ENH S2. Would be the same shit as with Sundering

[edgy widget]

I can "get it" perfectly fine, thank you very much

but you miss the point that if it's a damage spell, it's gonna be used for damage, not CC

[tame yarrow]

You mean like Shockwave?

[vestal ice]

what? if it does the same dmg as curretn shockwave still?

[edgy widget]

if it does the same damage as current shockwave then why do you want a random knockdown instead of a reliable stun?

[vestal ice]

coz it does for 12 secs

[edgy widget]

I mean if that's the argument, why not just argue to buff shockwave

[vestal ice]

dude

I said that from the start

[edgy widget]

yes but it's random lol, the antithesis of reliable

[clever belfry]

aftershock is pwetty w

[vestal ice]

ok this here makes it clear what ur intention is

ty for the discussion

[tidal kindle]

5t cleave fury niche

[clever belfry]

(except some uncapped classes beat us)

[edgy widget]

my "intention?" ok dude

weirdchamp energy

[oblique trail]

If only our niche was worth having that niche

:despairge

[edgy widget]

except pretty much all uncapped classes beat us

[clever belfry]

i dont have numbers for all of them, only the good ones yea

[dense elbow]

At least we beat the healers, stop doomin

[tame yarrow]

Uncap Meat cleaver and we meta. Shockwave discussion wont matter at all

[clever belfry]

when the MW rocks up with augury and reageheart:

[edgy widget]

lmao

[dense elbow]

[clever belfry]

i lost roll on rageheart on my MW this week

v sad

[tidal kindle]

Love seeing nerf pull 20 mobs and do basically my damage if pack lives longer than my CDs

[oblique trail]

So everytime?

[tidal kindle]

[dense elbow]

Solution to our problem is clearly more dam. How? Glad you asked.

51% baseline buff on OF.

[tame yarrow]

Just uncap Meat cleaver and go to sleep with the warrior changes. We need our time to shine.

[clever belfry]

cease

[tame yarrow]

One warrior season lets go

[clever belfry]

spin back the wheel to 7.2 or 8.2 king

[tame yarrow]

Not saying it would be balanced, but why dont we get the mage treatment one time, right?

[clever belfry]

cause mage is the main character

[oblique trail]

Relying on CSHB was a bit cringe but at least we looked good..

[dense elbow]

Don't sweat it, hero talents will make us meta

Trust

[clever belfry]

we did do a fucking lot of dammies das for sure

im not gonna pull it up but i hard gapped the other 2 dps in my team in every key

[oblique trail]

Yeah I basically did the same

[summer quail]

slayer tree too insane

[oblique trail]

But seeing the omega sad pulls where you had almost no CSHB procs

[clever belfry]

but were all ur keys orange or golden....

[oblique trail]

you went to sleep

[clever belfry]

u just needed better gear

[oblique trail]

No because I was shit back in bfa..

[clever belfry]

i had inf crit 69 king gear

[tidal kindle]

I feel like unless there's uncapped damage sources or strong tuning around them, would just be more of the same with just a diff cover

But thats the doomer in me

[dense elbow]

Lightning and TC will save us

Trust

[tidal kindle]

I hope to be pleasantly surprised

[oblique trail]

Was the extent of my pushing in S3 xd

[clever belfry]

ok yeah thinking about it
i just had unfair gear in 8.2

[oblique trail]

Truly a gamer

[clever belfry]

we do not talk about siege...

[dense elbow]

KR, I need my Geti

[clever belfry]

or AD

or ML

byebye #1 ML cause of a fucking deathskip LOL

[tame yarrow]

Hero Talents are the best idea they ever had Kappa

[clever belfry]

i mean let them cook

[dense elbow]

All fun and games, till they come out with "azerite forged talents" on top of the 9 other systems that kinda synergise, but not really

[tame yarrow]

I dont like the idea. Regardless of numbers etc.

[oblique trail]

Would you rather they further added talents to our already pretty tight talent tree?

The alpha isn't even out yet

[dense elbow]

I am hopeful, it could be a fun addition. Where they broaden the system over time for more flavour

[oblique trail]

Just wait and see what happens

[tame yarrow]

The current Talent tree concept is fine for me

[oblique trail]

I'm not talking about the concept of it

[dense elbow]

Maybe one day, OF will get its buff modifiers in Hero Talents

[oblique trail]

Of course it's all subject to change, but there's a good chance that next expac we'll be tight on what things we can pick and choose

[tame yarrow]

No need for another balance angle. For the normal player it will boil down to importing the BiS-Build anyway

[dense elbow]

As long shockwave is in that build, that is fine

[tame yarrow]

Who cares about Shockwave

[dense elbow]

I do, ace ability to bring for m+

[tame yarrow]

Just do 15% Aura Buff so we do DH-Damage, noone will ask you for Shockwave 😄

[dense elbow]

I really don't want to see that

[tame yarrow]

Imagine you get Shockwave baseline, ok?

You still suck for M+

[dense elbow]

We are high mid, don't make the gaps larger

[oblique trail]

15% aura buff wont make us suddenly insane for massive pulls

[dense elbow]

Bring DH back a bit at a time

[tame yarrow]

Havoc 240k average dps in Keys, Fury 202k

[tame yarrow]

Did you ever try to push Keys like 26+?

[dense elbow]

Yes

[tame yarrow]

We're useless there currently

[dense elbow]

Uhuh

[tame yarrow]

Any group inviting us is trolling

If you dont have a 5 man team, you fucked

[dense elbow]

If you feel that way friend

[tidal kindle]

Meat cleaver makes your cleaved abilities do x% more damage based on targets hit by the whirlwind

[oblique trail]

Imagine

[tame yarrow]

We have less utility, less survivability and way less damage than the meta classes. We're just a liability for serious groups currently. How else would you put it?

[oblique trail]

I would give anything to make our 5T niche actually worth having it

[tidal kindle]

We can call it sweeping strikes

..wait

[oblique trail]

hmm..

I've heard that before..

[tidal kindle]

....collateral da-

Hmm

[dense elbow]

Hek, my point stays the same. I rather see DH brought closer to center. Than making warrior another big outlier.

[tame yarrow]

I love playing warrior and will probably always stay with it. But I wouldnt invite myself to a serious push group currently tbh

[oblique trail]

Storm of st-

no

[tidal kindle]

🪦

[oblique trail]

Alpha please arrive soon..

I don't push keys but I would love to have an incentive to enjoy M+ more..

[dense elbow]

They will give Fury rend, so we can use blood and thunder

[summer quail]

are you ready for mountain thane rng cdr on ravager being the play?

[oblique trail]

I think I simply will just not play

Desync'd CD gameplay

Is not it

[summer quail]

[dense elbow]

Depends on how much CDR we talking

3 rav casts extra? 1? 0.5?

Who knows.

[oblique trail]

It's a very RNG proc rn that gives 0.5 sec off it

In its current iteration

[dire vigil]

would be nice for fury to have rend so they can talent into the ability that allows thunderclap to apply rend, then we would be casting thunderclap instead of whirlwind based on the Mountain Thane Tree

[tame yarrow]

Critcake had a good take on how unfitting Mountain feels for fury

[summer quail]

we're gonna cast thunderclap instead of whirlwind anyway based on the tree

[dire vigil]

Well I know, but extra benefit to doing so

[dense elbow]

The RNG is a bit out of hand, but I am sure they will do a 2nd brush up on most of our gripes.

[dire vigil]

Excited to see the Slayer tree

[dense elbow]

RNG on RNG is just.. plz no

[eternal sundial]

Overcook ravager cdr with 2 charges of rava

[dense elbow]

At least protection will feel good with Thane

Clearly that is where it was slotted in for

[hoary canopy]

Not a fury specific question but do you guys know if defensives stack ? If you have defensive stance up and reflect up, does it mean you have 35% magic damage reduce ?

[clever belfry]

They stack multiplicatively
meaning
0.8 * 0.85 in your example

(dstance is 15..right?)

[summer quail]

yes

[clever belfry]

easier to conceptualise would maybe be
(1-0.2) * (1-0.15) = 0.68 = 1-0.32
0.32 = 32%, so 32% dr in this case

[summer quail]

think it's 20 for prot

[clever belfry]

think its clearer where the numbers come from this way

[hoary canopy]

I see, do you know if it works the same for damage buffs ?

[clever belfry]

those generally also stack multiplicatively, but in a way benefitting you

[snow pasture]

hey guys just wondering my sim is saying currently this is my best gear i have a big bag full of champ stuff i have simmed it all at the same ilvl and this is what it spat out it seems but stat weights seem to be bit werid idk why is telling me to run like 21% haste? any ideas or thought simmedi n at 159k dps

[summer quail]

no statweights

very bad

stop simming them

[snow pasture]

hmmm?

[clever belfry]

as in if you have 2 distinct dmg buffs, one giving 20% and one 40% you'd be looking at
1.2 * 1.4 = 1.68

[oblique trail]

Stop simming Stat Weights

And just sim Top Gear instead

[summer quail]

BIG yellow warning text

[snow pasture]

thats what im doing

[oblique trail]

And the reason you're only simming 159k is probably also because you're simming an M+ setup while your gear as a whole isn't super amazing

[snow pasture]

im simming in top gear

[summer quail]

ahh if you're top gear then that's good, you just mentioned statweights

[clever belfry]

But say you have something that increases your dmg by 20%, but the buff stacks (say slaughtering strikes), that will add up with itself before being multiplied

[snow pasture]

was going of what i read on wow head bout stat weights

[clever belfry]

There's no stat weights there

[snow pasture]

i just go by sim but seemed werid i had like fuck all haste

[clever belfry]

you're missusing the term i believe

[snow pasture]

ahhh yes sorry

[oblique trail]

Having "low" haste isn't unusual this season

Compared to the previous seasons

But frankly your ilvl is still a bit low, so I wouldn't worry too much about it now

And just use whatever sims the best currently for you in Top Gear while working on getting more gear

[hoary canopy]

Do you think, all thing being equal, that using them together is better than spacing them ?

[clever belfry]

Stacking buffs good

[oblique trail]

I don't think there's a case where not stacking your CDs is good

[snow pasture]

sweeet as was just stressing is it best to go off wow heads bis stuff and try get that?

[oblique trail]

I mean you could but reaching the supposed BiS setup is a pipe dream for a lot of people

[snow pasture]

like it says to use crafted bracers and back etc assuming i should craft them?

[oblique trail]

Because not only does it include raid items that you can't farm and are from mythic, you also want vault only items

Yes, the Allied Wrists + Shadowflame cloak is generally the go-to first embellishments

[clever belfry]

powerful colleague wrist

[oblique trail]

Shadowflame Wrists can be a worthwhile option too, but it's only better for pure ST and its value diminishes in M+ since it's priority damage honestly isn't worth the loss of Versa from Allied

[snow pasture]

i have the primal shadowflame wrists atm but could make allieds?

[oblique trail]

The Versa you get is roughly 2%~ (depending on your current versa) which is about the same that 1 Shadowflame patch would do through a dungeon, but Versa works on all targets

[snow pasture]

i have two aspects crest to use to make a cloak and new wrists?

[oblique trail]

You can sim upgrades in Top Gear by pressing the "+" on items and figure out the best course for you, or in Gear Compare

[clever belfry]

some king surely has the added string to append all relevant crafted items to topgear

@tardy lark that's something this guy would have

[oblique trail]

Probably but I don't know of said King and I'm not said King either

[clever path]

Should I use Might of the ocean and Pips or MOTO and Cataclysmic signet brand ?

[clever belfry]

In raid or key

[clever path]

Key

[oblique trail]

If M+, then generally Might + Pips or Signet if you can upkeep the buff

Some dungeons are ass for Signet though, like Throne

[clever belfry]

if you have the doll and u wanna do cringe shit, this week it's okay to keep up brand

but just play pips might

imo

[clever path]

Kk ty

[tardy lark]

i have not, but that sounds like a decent thing to make ^^

[clever belfry]

yeah ive thought of it before

but always too lazy

[still spear]

Is it worth dropping Bounding Stride to get Menace in Incorporeal weeks? I did not find information about this in any fury guides

[clever belfry]

Very much depends what comp you're playing with

i think id drop pain and gain for shattering before it
cause both are unreliable anyway

[brave cairn]

What are our best m+ trinkets? Especially for this week

[clever belfry]

Might/Mirror/Brand(in keys where u can keep it with cheese) + Augury

[oblique trail]

Might + Augury

Mirror can be used but it's cringe

[clever belfry]

Just macro it to reck who cares

same shit as might frfr

[oblique trail]

I love having Mirror be on a 40 sec CD because you used your CDs

And then it's just desynced

[brave cairn]

Yall think Doll might be a better substitute to Mirror?

[clever belfry]

what doll

U mean brand with doll or

[brave cairn]

Porcelain or w/e its called

[oblique trail]

Crab

🦀

[brave cairn]

Yes

[clever belfry]

Crabbbb

No

[oblique trail]

Crab is a good substitute as your passive

But not for your active

[clever belfry]

I like crab but its not GREAT

(489 crab haver)

[oblique trail]

(no crab having ass)

[brave cairn]

Aight well I was running Brand and Augury but I don't think I get as much value out of Brand as I'd like

[oblique trail]

Ember of Nullification user

[brave cairn]

Thanks

[oblique trail]

Farm Might if you don't have it

And use that instead of Brand

And you're gg

[clever belfry]

wish i had augury frfr

[oblique trail]

Wish I had any trinket

that's not dookie

[clever belfry]

i have brand

[brave cairn]

I have over 30 TOTT runs, didn't see it drop once 💀

[oblique trail]

But it's not meant to be

[clever belfry]

but cba

[eternal sundial]

Samesies

[clever belfry]

I shall not speak of the buying augury incident

I nearly had it...

[eternal sundial]

Bro our last augury went to a destro lock since it didnt sim uppie for me cuz st sim

[clever belfry]

Rofl

destro lock

NAH

[eternal sundial]

Think im the only one who still wants it now so i should get next one

[clever belfry]

Guy is playing wrong spec

[plucky ice]

scammed

wtf

[eternal sundial]

He's destro frog for life wcyd

[clever belfry]

i was gonna buy one for 350k (guy had agreed)
BUT they left raid before winning roll

so it went to mailbox

😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠

[eternal sundial]

????

WHAT AN APE

[clever belfry]

guy rolls 100 on augury

/leave

KING

[royal swan]

guys i was wondering, if i did hc fyrrak, is normal fyrrak then pointless?

[clever belfry]

if u dont need augury or rageheart, yes

in terms of lego it doesn't do fuck all

(as far as the bluepost says)

[oblique trail]

The average non-lego haver would say otherwise

[plucky ice]

drop soon for sure

[clever belfry]

i dont have it

[oblique trail]

You are not an average non-lego haver

[clever belfry]

No one in my guild bar a guy on his hpal alt do in fact

[oblique trail]

Conspiracy theorists would say otherwise

fixed

[clever belfry]

conspiracy terrorist real

[snow pasture]

what pieces we using to get 4pc this season?

[clever belfry]

whatever sims best for you

[snow pasture]

currently got legs chest helm and shoulders

[oblique trail]

Doesn't really matter much, but Atal/Council helm or Gnarlroot legs are substitutes

[clever belfry]

legit just depends what 489 offpiece u pull from vault

[oblique trail]

Having 5p or 4p + 1offpiece is like 0.1% diff

[snow pasture]

have hero token from ksm but dont know what to use can u sim with gear you dont have?

[oblique trail]

yes in gear compare

Or manually add it into top gear but it's a bit of a hassle depending on the item

[snow pasture]

hmmm

[clever belfry]

bro driving manual transmission

[nova garnet]

@oblique trail cute pfo

Love you

Happy holidag

[oblique trail]

Merry Chrimmas

[last ginkgo]

did the arms chat disappear? xD

[oblique trail]

no it's still there #arms

You might've accidentally hidden it under the browse channels tab

[last ginkgo]

oh thanks I cannot see it for some reason

you are a legend

thank you very much ^^

[frosty heron]

yo guys

is this the proper opener for fury ? sorry was fury from yesterday

charge>reck>ramp>bb>of>ramp>bb>ramp>bb>avatar so on so on

[oblique trail]

Reck + Charge - ramp - of - roar/spear - bb - ramp - avatar- bb - ramp and so on

Oops

[frosty heron]

whereu do you put spear or roar

aaah

[oblique trail]

For aoe you can ww mid charge and otherwise whenever needed in the opener

[frosty heron]

and leg window ?

i saw rank 1 in fyrakk

0 cast for leg

[oblique trail]

Just outside if CDs, but typically after the opener CDs

Not using it is a loss, albeit a small one

On pure st

[clever belfry]

macro cheat engaged

[summer bobcat]

do DHs need signet band guys

should I inv them into group or no

[frosty heron]

what macro ?

[clever belfry]

@ebon junco

[ebon junco]

what do you mean

[oblique trail]

[ebon junco]

I totally didn't make a macro for the whole opener

[misty parcel]

share!

[oblique trail]

ohnonono

[misty parcel]

O - O

[ebon junco]

/castsequence reset=30 Recklessness, Charge, Rampage, Odyn's Fury, Bloodthirst, Thunderous Roar, Rampage, Avatar, Bloodthirst, Rampage, Bloodthirst, Rampage, Bloodthirst, Rampage, Bloodthirst, Rampage, Bloodthirst, Rampage, Bloodthirst

Then when you are done with this
you just go
/cast bloodbath
/cast rampage

[misty parcel]

... is typing

Vamos.

[ebon junco]

@oblique trail i used macro yday

i actually felt so free from brainrot

cause I did brainrot

[oblique trail]

I considered using it

[misty parcel]

Was it the same macro ?

[oblique trail]

But had to stop myself

[ebon junco]

Ye, I just change Roar to spear

[oblique trail]

You don't have to use the BB before OF, and no reason to use SD either during your opener

[misty parcel]

Good !

[frosty heron]

ok

ramp just to trigger enrage

[oblique trail]

Yes

Also Reck before the Charge

So you don't have to wait for an auto attack

[misty parcel]

For some reasons it doesn't work for me :v

[oblique trail]

In case it also gets parried (which can happen)

[ebon junco]

Works fine for me

[paper ocean]

Do you just allign the axe with all other cd's? otherwise on cd?

[oblique trail]

Axe doesn't get more damage from being used inside of CDs

You just want to use it outside of CDs, ideally after your opener CDs are done

[paper ocean]

so just pop when its safe to do so

[oblique trail]

Or when it otherwise makes sense

[errant vessel]

You want to fit as many empowered BB in your Spear window, so you'll want to do nothing but BB->Ramp in Spear window

[paper ocean]

ah

[frosty heron]

with elysian might

talent

[oblique trail]

yes

But you just cycle BB -> Ramp constantly in the opener regardless of having Spear or not

[misty parcel]

Also I've copypast it and boom, done. I'm supposed to do anything else ?

Not a big fan of macro so I'm asking krkr

[eternal sundial]

Oh ur game is in french

So itd need french names i think

[misty parcel]

Oh you right

that's why

XD

[errant vessel]

Don't you do BB->Exec->Ramp with SD proc after spear window?

[misty parcel]

It surely is

[oblique trail]

After Spear sure

[errant vessel]

ah ye okay

[oblique trail]

But I think it's a very minor optimisation

[eternal sundial]

Sd in opener isnt worth Jack shit

Since no aj

[oblique trail]

I just personally BB -> Ramp perma in opener

As long as CDs are rolling

But I'm not smart enough to change APLs to check this stuff out on paper

[errant vessel]

I tend to do that as well tbf

[frosty heron]

i dont use any more for the ramp and bb

[oblique trail]

You're double rampaging a few times in the opener when you shouldn't ever do this ideally

[frosty heron]

i use @ player spear

[oblique trail]

And have a second or so without Avatar

When Spear is down you just want to get as many BBs inside of it as possible

[frosty heron]

i still have that s2 thingy with rampage

[eternal sundial]

Bad

[oblique trail]

Yeah it'll take some getting used to not doing this

But if you ever have BB, you BB

But if you're not Enraged, you want to Ramp then BB

Assuming downtime

[misty parcel]

So yeah the accro isn"t working for me, whatever x)

[frosty heron]

s2 to s3 fury isnt that easy xD knowing that muscle memory is spam rampage and bt at 100% crit with s2 4p

annoying

[misty parcel]

Btw quick question about it, why don't you all the bloodthirst upgrade odyn's fury get before casting avatar ?

[ebon junco]

You would probs have to rewrite everything

[oblique trail]

The 2p stacks

Up to 6

[misty parcel]

I did

[oblique trail]

So you don't have to use all charges before you Avatar

[misty parcel]

Oh really ?

Didn't know about that !

Thought it was cap

To like 3

Okay you made my day, didn't know about this feature, I was waiting for all the odyn's fury's BL to be used before casting avatar

thanks!

[still swift]

hi team

hi banezi

[oblique trail]

hi nina owo

[still swift]

i wanna grind atal dazar for rezan eye but im not being accepted what do

[oblique trail]

hmm

spam 17s until you get it

perservere

(pugging is a jail that never gets better)

[astral igloo]

Tbh the way I got around not getting invited was raising my io

[still swift]

i am suffering

[astral igloo]

Which sucked if I wanted to farm a certain dungeon

[oblique trail]

declined to the merry xmas weekly

gg

[still swift]

yea...

score is hard to come by when u only have 1 week

[astral igloo]

That’s fair lol

[oblique trail]

oh monka

[still swift]

i can run a brh but thats also only like 50 extra or so

[eternal sundial]

i was gonna offer my key but its a 25 WM

[still swift]

dw i got an 18 wm in my bags

basically same thing

[eternal sundial]

thats only 2,5 3 chests away

[still swift]

wouldnt it be more like 2,33

[eternal sundial]

i play warrior not math

[still swift]

sry

[covert void]

did you all just go 2nd ring this week then?

[oblique trail]

Depends on the rest of your gear

[still swift]

necky-wecky, wing, wists and waist

[oblique trail]

I just upgraded my cloak to 486 from 476 because I already got sockied DHT ring

[eternal sundial]

for me its better currently ye

so i did it

[still swift]

wtf share

[oblique trail]

no mine

[eternal sundial]

i also need sockie DHT

[oblique trail]

I'm downbad as is

Just get shit vaults like me

and sockies come out the woodwork

[eternal sundial]

bongzi u can have my normal brand from my alt i get ring

[still swift]

banezi

i have trade

[oblique trail]

what trade

[still swift]

1 trinket for 1 socket dht ring

[oblique trail]

undescribed trinket

[still swift]

undescribed trinket that comes from raid

[eternal sundial]

I had this wonderful trade in normal

80k for curio

[oblique trail]

I always wanted a serpent coil

[still swift]

its a very nice trinket

[oblique trail]

that has to be the embersoul

no way you got brand

[eternal sundial]

i have both aashes and coiled but never used them

[oblique trail]

If you got brand

[still swift]

aha..

[oblique trail]

happy for you

oh

..

it was brand

[still swift]

it was indeed

[oblique trail]

ok

dht for trinkie

deal

now give

[still swift]

🤝

[oblique trail]

🤝

So me next reset

This is not an incredibly toxic amount of cope

[still swift]

holy

[long prairie]

Hi guys, i have 486 ilvl 23.76 crit 28.49 haste 16.42 vers and 52.05 mast unbuff what do you think about thoses stats ? not too much haste ?

[oblique trail]

I even specced prot to make timewalking go faster to try and get augury

[still swift]

🤖 <-

[oblique trail]

it did not happen..

[tidal cargo]

to less vers and mast to much crit

[oblique trail]

I'm sure you can tell just by seeing that

[still swift]

oh i need to do time walking

[tidal cargo]

lil to much haste to

[oblique trail]

👴

[still swift]

maybe i get agoory

[oblique trail]

If you do

[long prairie]

ok ty !

[oblique trail]

I'll be very

[still swift]

happy?

[oblique trail]

yes

happy

[still swift]

okay

[oblique trail]

Sim top gear

and use w/e it spits out

if it tells you to use those stats, then use them

[tidal cargo]

go more like this

[oblique trail]

Stop immediately

Cease

[eternal sundial]

jfc

[oblique trail]

What you have

Is incredibly irrelevant

[tidal cargo]

(thats Raid Talents + Signet&Augury trinkets

[oblique trail]

To anyone else

[still swift]

ok brandon

you did not have to flex that here

not in banezi presence

[tidal cargo]

its not a flex at all? i just want to answer his question for more optimal stats

lulw

[oblique trail]

Yeah but

Very big detail you're missing

[still swift]

you understand youre hurting someone

[oblique trail]

is that your stats are your stats

[eternal sundial]

surely your gear is optimal

[oblique trail]

What you have might be the most optimal for you but it can be very different to what someone else has

[still swift]

can i buy a 1h from auction house to prot for tw

[oblique trail]

You can use a gray 1h sword from tbc to tank in tw

[still swift]

cool

[oblique trail]

I used Fyrakk 1h axe

and the proc did like

2k damage in total

[still swift]

i have that one on my dk

[oblique trail]

even tried using Brand

and it did even less

[tidal cargo]

ok then this is just my subjective opinion on things but im also always comparing myself to top furys

[oblique trail]

You're doing something very silly then

You very likely don't have their gear

So what stats they have is completely irrelevant to you

Just follow top gear sims on Raidbots for stats, because that tells you what's optimal with what YOU have

Since it changes drastically depending on what gear you have

[tidal cargo]

O i obv follow top gear, and this r my top gear stats

[oblique trail]

Good, then you should just hold it there

[minor cape]

Has anybody tried to stockpile the superbloom bags before getting the leggo? Or are they unique?

[oblique trail]

It wont give you the quest items

[minor cape]

[ornate gust]

+22 BRH. Very clean run

[fair star]

big dam

[misty parcel]

shall I trade some mastery ( maîtrise ) for versatility ? ( polyvalence )

since I'm almost everytime enraged idk if it's worth it

[oblique trail]

From a quick view it'd be Haste for Vers

[summer quail]

Vitesse

[oblique trail]

But just sim yourself in Top Gear

[misty parcel]

S P E E D

[misty parcel]

So less haste and more versatility ?

[summer quail]

You have alot of hate

[misty parcel]

Alright !

[tidal cargo]

haste this season is optimal anything from 25-30% but as @oblique trail said, always Top Gear Sim ur char

[oblique trail]

thank you for pinging me @tidal cargo

[tidal cargo]

np @oblique trail

[paper turtle]

very interested in this as well. does anyone have an answer?

[oblique trail]

If you can't get rage to Rampage, send the buffed BT

[eternal sundial]

not pressing shit is worse than not using a BB on the bt

[paper turtle]

thank you!

[tacit jackal]

So if i killed Fyrakk on Normal and got a greater ember, i can still kill it on HC and have a chance right? But u cant get 2x greater ember each week right?

[left perch]

you can still kill on higher difficulty and have a chance

[proud crown]

greater embers have a difficulty rank on them

[tacit jackal]

So the play is to kill fyrakk on normal get the greater ember, for higher chance that week on HC?

[plucky ice]

doesnt matter

[proud crown]

dont think it really matters

[plucky ice]

less hassle to just kill hc

[proud crown]

but if you need augury then do both

:)

[tacit jackal]

Yeah usually just doing HC. But did normal for helm enchant and a shot at signet brand / augury 🙂

[still swift]

i was wondering why my prot felt so weird in tw :classic:

[atomic nymph]

Smh this guy simming my setup (Hiding my ilvls because 483 oh and normal trinkets)

[patent sinew]

Is there a way to Sim for Buzzing Hissing and Howling runes all at once without having to re-do the sim 3 times?

[still swift]

there is

[oblique trail]

Oly moly if only I had this..

[oblique trail]

#fury message put this under your /simc in an advanced sim, although the result should always be hissing for Fury

Searching on phone is so cringe

[still swift]

@oblique trail we were not lucky

[patent sinew]

haha thanks for this ❤️

I appriciate the effort of searching on phone XD

[calm mantle]

overtimed a 22 throne by 19 seconds

[wild mural]

real

[calm mantle]

a little salty

[left perch]

Damn, 19 is what 3 deadge?

[wild mural]

4

[left perch]

and someone not skipping the movie

[wild mural]

I think we were pretty close to +2

[clever path]

what is meant with "t30"

[wild mural]

aberrus tier

amir is t31

vault t29

[clever path]

ohhhh

so its just made to harder understand

so

how do i choose my talents now ?

how do I know if i have t30 or t31

[wild mural]

yeah its getting a bit more complicated with each tier remember which tier is which raid

[clever path]

im just doing m+

[wild mural]

well if you're using season 2 gear, it'll be t30, if you have season 3 2/4 set it'll be t31

[clever path]

i do not raid

okay

yeah thats what I meant thank u

[wild mural]

no worries

[odd stone]

You get tier from vault or catalyze gear from vault

So you don’t need to raid

[clever path]

yeah

i know

[odd stone]

Mmmmk

[balmy shore]

s/o to all the fury warriors who don’t play with wf totem i’ve never missed it more than i did playing my other warrior without one 😔

kiss ur local enh shaman

[wild mural]

i will not he's a twat

[balmy shore]

do it

[half cargo]

Straight up polish that totem

[wild mural]

no I just abuse him for playing enh

[balmy shore]

ok also fine

[wild mural]

equally acceptable

who else remembers the wind on throne of thunder

[keen kindle]

Fuck that crap

[worldly shard]

pog

[keen kindle]

I quit

[worldly shard]

got timereaver last week aswell on my 272th try but from the courser

[jagged flicker]

Is the Windwalker buff that insane? Literally cant reach a good WW after the buffs

[still swift]

what if i take rumbling earth instead of 15 extra maximum rage just so i can shockwave spitefuls more

[fading bane]

it dont work like that

[still swift]

why not

[fading bane]

cus you need X amounts of points in above shockwave to get there

[still swift]

oh true its on bare minimum

[fading bane]

youd lose it from thunderous wounds instead, the one below Roar

[still swift]

double time gonna get taken out back

nvm also doesnt work

[fading bane]

yup

[still swift]

hate warrior class tree

[fading bane]

the line is below double time, and you need double time connections

its not great

[still swift]

who needs thunderous roar anyway

[unreal onyx]

me

[jovial rover]

Is there a special script for target dummy sims where you skip the execute phase but still use execute of sd procs ?

or assume the dummy never gets in execute phase ?

[crystal summit]

You can choose target dummy as an option on raidbots

[jovial rover]

oh just realized dummy sims is always 100% health fuck I'm dumb

[wild mural]

+18 fall

[unreal onyx]

+16 nelth

[wild mural]

+16 nelth

[unreal onyx]

where's the 5th player?

[unreal onyx]

BIG gaming

[wild mural]

huge

just doing some boosting

[edgy oasis]

Reduce your haste. Increase your mastery and vers. Mastery is your best stats.

[unreal onyx]

or literally sim top gear

and go after that

feelycraft bad

[thorny peak]

good news i finally got rezan's eye hero line tho but still

[misty parcel]

min haste ?

[jovial rover]

Wait does ramp gains more value at 2 targets than bb ?

[spice hemlock]

do we have any actual numbers on the bad luck protection?

[unreal onyx]

no we don't

[restive peak]

YEEEE BOIIII

[oblique trail]

gg you know why..

[final birch]

3rd boss is pain

[still swift]

yea im so noob i dont deserve..

[oblique trail]

same..

if I don't have the lego or trinkets yet it's simply because I'm not good enough to have them

[still swift]

i believe in my dk to get legendary

[unreal onyx]

you only get gear you deserve

[dusky kettle]

I posted my log in the review channel and never received a response. I’m not sure if no one was able to look through it or if I did something else wrong.

[oblique trail]

eventually we'll both have it

it's just meant to be

[still swift]

when will u review my logs

[noble frost]

how do people gear alts

realise soul bound is well soul bound lul

[restive peak]

Same way they geared their mains

[noble frost]

no easy/easier?

[still swift]

heres what u do

u make an alt u get max lvl then u make a hc group and call it FRESH RUN 9/9M lead or w/e ur prog is

steal all the gear

repeat with normal

[noble frost]

LOL

[still swift]

stack ur groups so that ur the only one on ur tier token

[restive peak]

People fr do that

[noble frost]

thats ass

thought they made it alot easier to gear up alts

guess ill just play around a little and pack up the expac

[still swift]

nah enjoy doing millions of m+ to catch up on the crest limit

every alt gets harder cuz u wanna do 16-17s for aspects and hero track gear but u need to cap aspects to get wyrms from them

so the sooner u get that cap the easier alts are

[restive peak]

I mean you have cata charges and get a few of the crafting 1s super quick as catchup

[noble frost]

ye

no i just kinda assumed after hearing news about easier alts

maybe i can buy gear on my main and give it over

soul bound lmao (0)_(0)

[edgy oasis]

25% is ideal no less. You want as much mastery as you can get. Everything else is a bonus.

But you need to "sim" each item you get..only then will you know for certain.

[still swift]

nop not a thing

[noble frost]

very assed, oh well ill just do sub 10s test test mages

[past pivot]

Not really. You want as much as the sims recommend @edgy oasis

[noble frost]

big thanks for the helps

[edgy oasis]

Sure....but this is clearly someone who doesn't know about simming and probably doesn't care too.

[past pivot]

Then they should learn rather than give outdated info to, imo. If they're asking, they care at least a little

If they're leveling or still gearing up, they should focus on ilvl and getting tier. After that, can optimize from simming not focusing on stat %

[misty parcel]

so 63 mastery isn't too much ?

[past pivot]

It might be but can't say in a vacuum. It depends on your gear.

[edgy oasis]

No.

looking at your stats and with out simming you I'd say you've too much haste and not enough vers.

You're going to need to sim your character and gear mate.

[misty parcel]

I'm dogsht when it comes to sim myself

dk if it's good enough or not

[oblique trail]

when you ask me to

[restive peak]

When my log review @oblique trail D:

[oblique trail]

wtfrick

am I resident log reviewer now

[modest condor]

sometimes i go into #449510248579858432 and the first 3 logs i open all do their cooldowns on pull without being enraged and i get a little sad

[oblique trail]

Top 10 tips how to improve

[indigo quarry]

every Arms log same mistake of not using MS on CD

always the basic stuff

its never in depth

[wild mural]

[indigo quarry]

why you hiding the aug

[wild mural]

no aug

[indigo quarry]

thats sussy

[wild mural]

Im v sussy

was boosting a warr

[clever belfry]

B00st

[wild mural]

need gold. went broke after craft leggo

[wispy thistle]

@wild mural typical everbloom

[wild mural]

yep

just prooud of my highest ever dps

[plucky ice]

lege huge in eb

big dots

how much it did overall

[wild mural]

it was only 6% of my dps

didnt press it much

[unreal onyx]

I get leggo today

will be a nice christmas present

[torpid slate]

Hey fellow furys, so I opened the vault and I have ashes of embersoul haste+ 6k strength on use trinket, is that really good for us? should i pick it from vault or get a mythic piece set

i mainly m+

I simmed it but its not that good, i wonder in a real m+ scenario is better?

[unreal onyx]

ashes is not the best for m+

[restive peak]

6% is pretty good man lol

[unreal onyx]

with a myth tier piece you are propably set for the rest of the season

[restive peak]

That's effectively a 3rd trinket

[past pivot]

What are your M+ trinkets? Ember is pretty meh

[torpid slate]

what u reccomend for the 2 bis m+ trinks

[unreal onyx]

augury + might of the ocean

[restive peak]

Augury Ocean

[past pivot]

Might and Augury. Crab

[torpid slate]

i Got fyrrak 489 + mioght

so I am set on m+?

with both

I see

[unreal onyx]

yes

if you can keep stacks up, signet is also ok