#fury

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terse ether
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Morning.. I assume this week, signet is better than might?

jagged flicker
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You use both

clever path
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or use might + rezan

terse ether
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I have augury as 2nd

clever path
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nvm aug + might/rezan

hidden coral
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at least i'm not the only one. it feels like i do something wrong letting these procs run out

clever path
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hello, what are you using the spark on this week?

arctic tinsel
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Guys if i finished raid now does the parse lock in approx 2 hours or tom at noon utc?

jagged flicker
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I do need weapons but 2 sparks for 1 weapon seems bad

storm rune
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already crafted the shadowflame wrist/cloak, flavour pocket neck, next up is a mastery/vers ring for a juicy 4k DPS upgrade

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Crit is simming better over vers in aoe but being vers heavy feels so good I'm not willing to give that up lol

clever path
jagged flicker
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Dont forget that you get more tanky with vers, for me thats the clear winner in dungeons

jagged flicker
storm rune
paper ivy
jagged flicker
paper ivy
arctic tinsel
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Mine was vers crit ring hehe

clever path
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how do you simulate creation items?

jagged flicker
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Just create them with wowhead and import the codes or use droptimizer crafted

fading sky
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Hmm ive been saying warrior is in a good spot. in keys... then i had the audacity to actually play with mages-dhs-rogues that are at the same skill lvl

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and then i was sad

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the end

thin dew
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What is the better way to sim for AOE?

vague copper
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How does it work with the leggo, if you kill Fyrakk on normal do you still have a go on lfg or HC/Myth?

subtle lagoon
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lfg no, higher difficulties yes.

vague copper
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oki

subtle lagoon
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Although just doing the higher difficulty from the get go saves you a lot of time

vague copper
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So if you do myth (not like that will happen) your done?

subtle lagoon
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Yeah

vague copper
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How do we know that lfg > normal > hc > mythic theoretically don't give us a higher chanse? 😄

jagged flicker
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Dont overcomplicate it

vague copper
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Then just go for myth that is

silk wharf
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cant know. have to work off what we've been told.

jagged flicker
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Just clear the raid and get it eventually

silk wharf
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that clearing the highest difficulty counts as having cleared all of them below.

jagged flicker
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imo just do normal and hc, get your greater embers and hope for it

vague copper
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mm

jagged flicker
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And if you really want to optimize it, fully clear hc for small embers

vague copper
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Guess its like 1 roll per lvl, so if you do HC its 3 and you have one more if you kill myth

silk wharf
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Thats how I like to imagine it. and the items increment your winning "number" by a small or slightly larger amount.

subtle lagoon
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"As with Nasz’uro, completion on higher difficulties will include your chances from all uncompleted lower difficulties that week–this also includes the cumulative increase in chances for future weeks."

hidden coral
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Yea i also understood it that way. not having to kill him on all difficulties. However, normal Fyrakk also drops one of those BLP tokens

slim coral
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Is fury saved yet?

molten spear
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nope, just did a key with a dh, did 40k more than me on AD, fury needs a 20% buff to be playable

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don't care what anybody else sayd, that is not so bad,it is very vey bad compared to good specs

slim coral
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Only one man can save us now

fading sky
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as i said

subtle lagoon
slim coral
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It’s Mr Crit

fading sky
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i thought fury was in a good spot Dome

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but then i played with good players of the other specs

molten spear
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no it's not

slim coral
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Nah warrior is cooked

fading sky
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prob a bit better than me

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or about same

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and i got fuckin FRIED

slim coral
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Warrior is in such a bad spot in keys

fading sky
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a frost mage which is supposed to be dog

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does same ST if not more

slim coral
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We just get out performed by all specs

fading sky
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and obliterates me on aoe

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in a 21

hidden coral
slim coral
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And have no utility

molten spear
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a very bad dh can still do more damagethan the best warriors in the world atm

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in keys

fading sky
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well utlity is not to bad, with shockwave

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and fear and sb

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not to punishing to have as fury

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but problem is we are doing so well in raid dmg wise

vague copper
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I do 20 keys so not super high and I dont find it that bad, ofc there is better speccs but it have been worse I guess? 😛

subtle lagoon
slim coral
jagged flicker
hidden coral
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You have fear, aoe stun, st stun, 10% ap for bm hunters, 10% hp shout for the grp, spellreflect

slim coral
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Everything you listed other classes can do 10 times better

fading sky
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Rudor, actually i think its worse now than ever

forest rose
fading sky
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from a furys perspective

hidden coral
fading sky
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as CC is more important coz of caster packs than ever

iron portal
molten spear
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@forest rose perfectly balanced never got anyone in keys ever in this game

slim coral
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Pugging as a warrior is so miserable

fading sky
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now that is not true

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pugging is easy as warrior

slim coral
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Honestly just makes me not want to play in keys

molten spear
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yap

fading sky
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ppl love fury

jagged flicker
molten spear
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idk who are these people,but i still found no one like tht

fading sky
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well i really havent had any issue entire season getting into keys

slim coral
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Bro I sat in m+ queues for an hour

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For 26s

jagged flicker
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try getting into a group at 24-26

molten spear
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and rightfully so, why would you ever invite a warrior xD

jagged flicker
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you wait 1-5 hours

slim coral
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And I have all 25s times

fading sky
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baze thats common

hidden coral
fading sky
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above 25s ppl want meta

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or play with friends

slim coral
fading sky
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like its like that every season

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and will never change

jagged flicker
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Thats exactly the point

molten spear
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yeah, that's what i said

slim coral
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As a warrior it’s always ass

jagged flicker
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And it should change

fading sky
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nah

molten spear
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being balanced will never get you in keys

fading sky
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it will never be changed

jagged flicker
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Having to close the game duo to balance is not fun

fading sky
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theres always 1% advantage some where ppl will take

slim coral
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Let’s buff mages when they are timing 30s already

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Nice

molten spear
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exspecially if the top classes are so far above

fading sky
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and different dmg profiles

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that will benefit more from certain situations

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all that being said, its weird playing fury, not being able to dish out almost as much dmg as top in M+

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as it usually were what we did

hidden coral
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Speaking of buffs: has anyone done keys with windwalker monks since they got buffed? they seem alright now

slim coral
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They slam

molten spear
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25% more damage in overall in a key i woun'dt call it a slight advantadge

terse ether
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a little late question but..

I had might of the ocean in a +20 vault slot and mythic head tier, and choose head, did i do good? 😛

calm mantle
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Think I'll get higher might chances in my vault if I just fill this with throne? xD

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fading sky
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man my m8 knows how to play it it slammed b4 buff

fading sky
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if u are M+ player

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all mythic helmets can be converted to tier, only 1 ocean trinket

calm mantle
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Personally wouldn't even run tier helmet.

molten spear
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if you are progressing helmet is the best choice

fading sky
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ye if raiding helm

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if m+ trinket

molten spear
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if you don't progress yeah, maybe trinket, but who cares

fading sky
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again depending on what u are wearing 😄

terse ether
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I had already might trinket hero 6/6 and hero head

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sim wise, head won both sitations ( ST/MT)

fading sky
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ah ye, for me its just i always end with fully maxxed tier

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but never with trinkets

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1 way to fix this problem with Meta and non meta

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would be to have a Non meta Ladder

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getting the same achivements at a lower rating would be 100% fair seeing the difference in powerlevels

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so if it was the 0.1% of the spec u are u needed to be in

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that would be way more fair

terse ether
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I know DB Is the go to this week but I hate that I have to rely on luck to get enraged 😛

calm mantle
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No more upgrading till next week :c

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fading sky
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well GJ on workin hard in keys vantner !

calm mantle
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I've only done 17-19's this week. Easy keys.

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But thank you.

wild mural
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I think I can still get loads of crests this week

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Like 100+

pearl cradle
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hi guys question about macro so made a macro for recklessness trinket avatar and thunderous roar does the order matter?

calm mantle
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Pretty sure with current rotation we don't want to pop Releck and avatar at same time.

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Could be wrong tho so don't listen to me

clever path
pseudo rampart
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wowhead is recommending to use mastery/haste food, is it not better with the pure str option? am I missing something?

clever path
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i just did atal dazar last week and got rezan

hardy shuttle
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You generally recklessness before charging. So avatars odyns wouldn't hit anything

clever path
south kayak
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you guys are so lucky you're not rogues

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don't have to farm nick of time dagger

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farming this dogshit dagger the last few days

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20 runs

umbral ingot
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the highest amount of runs I had to do for my offhand from brh was 8 runs

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guess I‘m lucky

fading sky
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Neck from TOT

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still havent seen it

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20 runs at least deeep

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ad trinket took more

cosmic adder
south kayak
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i have seen 2 of them

hardy shuttle
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I ran 57 atals and never saw the trinket. Didn't do 1 atal last week and got it myth track in the vault. So the key is to not grind apparently

south kayak
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lmao

pseudo rampart
south kayak
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this dagger is 0.1% droprate

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worse than tusks

fading sky
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unless its raid items

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augery does not exist in game or in vault

hardy shuttle
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It's to balance out the invite:drop rate for rogue:brown class

native wadi
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I did 21 atals for rezan, but last patch 56 runs for vial

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got might on the first 5 runs tho

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😄

south kayak
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ive never had to run this many dungeons

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for one item

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and it's very awful

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feeling

fading sky
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it is what it is

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happens to everyclass every spec

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the fact that uve ben dogshit lucky entire life then

hardy shuttle
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I've never been luckier with gear than this season. Which tells me it'll be 3 expansions before I get the leggo axe appearance.

south kayak
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maybe but it's bad enough you have to farm trinkets

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why would they make special weapons

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with timestrike

fading sky
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well how big of a difference is it ?

native wadi
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how is the % of leggo enjoyers you guys think

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my HC this week, 11 candidates, 0 drops

south kayak
fading sky
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well thats not a lot so u its not a must is it 😄

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its a farm

native wadi
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1% its a lot

south kayak
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it isn't but it's annoying me

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i can't live my life

fading sky
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at least its not the 1 worst dungeons in the game

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😄

south kayak
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i i don't get this one

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if

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literally can't do anything in the game

fading sky
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lel well thats how i feel about tot neck as well 😄

south kayak
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except farm fall

fading sky
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well u are lucky

native wadi
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you will get it eventually

south kayak
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cna't even play my alts

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until i get it

fading sky
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my dk has to farm RISE

native wadi
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go get em boy

fading sky
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i fuckin hate rise

south kayak
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yeah i can imagine having to farm some other dungeon

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fall is very quick

hardy shuttle
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Yeah rise is the one I avoid the most

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Fuck that place

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I'm all 24s and my rise is a 19 this week. Cba

toxic grove
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no aug no signet no might no leggo no bitches critcake

wild mural
sly mulch
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Are frostfire legs still worth it for m+ with the new 10.2 build?

wild mural
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We gaming

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Only high keys

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subtle lagoon
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Gonna dump a bunch of cash on crit mastery gems

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This'll be interesting

pseudo rampart
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reck->charge, is that stilla thing or do we reck after charge?

paper ivy
hardy shuttle
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Reck->charge if you don't have fresh meat

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Just to get the instant rampage to enrage

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If you do have fresh meat you can recklessness right after BT I guess

calm mantle
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Smashing a 20 throne key and hunter just goes offline after second boss after dying

hidden coral
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feelsbadman

calm mantle
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We were absolutely destroying it

spark tree
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man im on run 18 for BRH and still no weapon drop.

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gonna bite the bullet and craft something

vague copper
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Did HC on warrior b4 and no mace from first boss... Just did it on hunter and 2 of em dropp..

dense elbow
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blizzard got you on the shadowban list for that loot

hidden coral
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I haven't even seen the mace from the first boss and we've been doing both normal and heroic since week 1 lol

vale dove
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489 Rezans or 483 might of the ocean in m+?

hidden coral
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Try the dungeon slice sim but i'm pretty sure might of the ocean is better.

pure echo
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Is it just me or is a max ilvl signet brand outperforming a 483 rezan’s in keys? Everyone I’ve talked to said it’s trash if not at 15 stacks, but it still seems pretty good without it seeing I did over 10m in a 20 with it, and that value just increases with key level

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Judging based on my damage done in the same key the night before at 25, my rezans did only 8m

eternal sundial
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Play both in the same key for 10 times

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Then see the varying damage

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Imo

hardy shuttle
pure echo
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Though I will say the night before was a fort key, and last night was tyrannical so there may be value there on tyr weeks.

oblique trail
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And if you don't have a good 2nd trinket, like Augury, Crab or similar, then you can just use Rezan as the 2nd trinket

fading sky
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like if u have a fast grp, that play around it, in some dungeons its great esp on some bosses

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but if 1 person dies

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and u have to restack often its totally useless

hardy shuttle
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Yeah or like tott, or either dawn that have weird transitions between rooms, signet is cursed

fading sky
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so 2 bosses in 1 key 1 i start at 15 stacks... it did 9% other boss i start at 1 it did 1%

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that was as arms btw

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so obviously its stronger in fury

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😄

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and yes was tott... so tot is out, ended up at like 2/3% i think

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same as rezans ... and that was with grp trying to play around it 😄

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im using ocean + rezan//haste trinket // brand when i have fun grp or correct key

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but in theory if u could keep up brand a lot

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its fucking INSANE

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which is why they made sure u cant 😄

hidden coral
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What's about ashes of the embersoul btw? why is noone talking about it? Is it so bad with the haste debuff?

mossy fox
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compare its cd to our cds

oblique trail
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Ashes is just not that amazing

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In a vacuum it's strong, but it desyncs

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It's also why Spores which gives a billion haste isn't really considered at all

summer carbon
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one question, wit our current talents, should other classes still get windfury over us

hidden coral
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Ow jeez i just considered that and indeed it's a 4.2k dps again compared with ashes

oblique trail
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Next to Sub and Assa iirc

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Maybe Frost I think is also slightly above us

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Nvm, only Sub and Assa is above us

eternal sundial
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Ass is dead

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But sub is op on last 2 critcake

frigid zealot
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Sub huge on smolder too

hasty path
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Ya our rogue cranks as sub on Smolderon

thorny nimbus
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Hello there, what should we craft this week ? Already got wrist / Back / ring ?

rich flame
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Waist

oblique trail
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I personally just held my spark this week and upgraded a 476 item to 486 instead

vale dove
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Do you run Rezans in Raid?

oblique trail
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I do because I don't have Augury/Brand

vale dove
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ye i miss brand

molten relic
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I run augury and rezans

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Bc I have nothing else

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Besides heroic tree branch and that sht is aids

fading sky
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i mean augery is awesome

still swift
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🌊

static edge
fading sky
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also u have less than 65% enrage uptime m8

dusky pulsar
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augury + signet/might on keys nothing else

still swift
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i hate might
i pop it deal dmg and die

static edge
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3 sunders

oblique trail
still swift
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hi banezi

oblique trail
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hi nina

still swift
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i found an item thats better than the shoulders for some reason

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so theyll turn tier next week too

oblique trail
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pogging for you rn

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irl

still swift
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ty
i remember this item from bfa it was good even then

covert blaze
wild mural
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No smolderon prog this week also lesgo

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I’m just mad that we don’t get a global emote for our leggo like Evoker

covert blaze
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The emote

still swift
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The Emerald Dream calls out for its heroes as Fyr'alath, the Dream Render has been formed out of Fyrakk's ashes!

wild mural
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A twiumphant woaw echoes fwom atop da Seat of the Awspects as Nyasz’urOwO the UwUnbound Wegacy is fowmed! =^.^=

molten relic
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Ngl

still swift
molten relic
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I got a mf in my raid

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That says this

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Everytime he joins raid

covert blaze
molten relic
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And he’s not an evoker

wild mural
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Never :3

unreal onyx
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@wild mural leggo ready?

wild mural
unreal onyx
wild mural
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Also got renown 18 and can’t afford infinite augment rune

unreal onyx
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List smthn in AH I can slide some

wild mural
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Will do when I’m home

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Ty bestie

errant vessel
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Does it make sense to do mythic bosses first for lesser embers?

wild mural
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If it makes you feel better, and you can but I honestly don’t think they do anything

unreal onyx
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Lesser would propably work like greaters anyway

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Which means they are active the next reste

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Reset

summer bobcat
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On which bosses we run WW talents?

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Any boss who isnt puely ST?

unreal onyx
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all but volcoross and nymue and smolderon

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arguably on igira too but the gain from pure ST can underweigh the gain from cleaved abilities on spears

fading bane
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Ww talents dont do much on tindral either

summer bobcat
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And how much % do we lose if we play WW even on nymue and vol?

unreal onyx
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2% iirc

summer bobcat
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Ty ty

sullen basin
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dont we lose more than 2% if we drop spear for roar as per the wowhead cleave build? its not just picking ww

wild mural
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I’m like swapping between pure st/spear with ww/roar with ww depending on the boss

unreal onyx
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depending on boss, especially smolderon you might not be able to fully benefir from spear, especially if you do not stand in the circles on purpose

wild mural
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I told my healers that I’m just gonna eat a circle

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And they said it’s fine

unreal onyx
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I would make the argument that roar is easier for prog (I am progging rn and still use spear)

wild mural
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So Zug zug time

unreal onyx
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same

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but they took it too literal

wild mural
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Yeah I’m running spear

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On the last circle I press ER and get sac

unreal onyx
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I get like 0 heals once I got the dot

wild mural
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And we’re good

pliant lantern
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Its only the very first intermission that you lose value with spear...all others you can get everything off in time

wild mural
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I was like “is it really annoying” and they were like as long as you let us know

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Im actually having fun trying to optimise my play on smolderon

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Even if I suck

unreal onyx
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I think in I2 or 3 it can also be pretty close

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where you have to gate

wild mural
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Yeah

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We haven’t reached I3 yet

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I’m only gonna do it on I1 and play it safe on the others

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Leap out gate in

pliant lantern
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On I2, you run out of range because 3 is the safe zone, as you are rtunning back in throw spear with cooldowns, you have enough time to get off 3 rampages and 3 BB before you need to gate

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Honestly the biggest pain about Smolderon is figuring out the distance you need to be from the boss on every intermission to get orbs at the right times

wild mural
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Yeah

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I find that if I start running as he casts the knockback and jump as it hits it gets me to the right place in I1

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Then just jump as it hits on i2

pliant lantern
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Yeah thats about the right timing

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I3 you can stay in melee range, same with I4

wild mural
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Noice

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It’s just i1 timing I guess and trying to get all the CDs off right at the start

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But I’m finding a lot of the time I outside out of my spear on pull

pliant lantern
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Yeah you can't be optimal on pull. reck > charge > rampage >pop everything

wild mural
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I’ll charge > reck > ramp > spear/ava and the boss is usually still moving at that point

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Yeah

pliant lantern
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You need to get spear and avatar on cooldown asap

wild mural
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I might macro them together just for this boss

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With my might

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It’s a fun fight tho

modest condor
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if you send ava/spear directly after ramp i think you can get 2 bloodbaths in spear in first intermission

wild mural
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It’s the most fun of them all so far imo

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Yeah

teal sable
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Does the Awakened Order part of the legendary quest get bugged for you guys as well?

wild mural
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No, are you using the extra action button that pops up?

oblique trail
teal sable
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Does being in a party bug it out?

wild mural
unreal onyx
wild mural
unreal onyx
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but then you can't ramp, no?

wild mural
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So have enough rage to ramp and enrage

pliant lantern
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Imagine having the legendary >.>

wild mural
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Or reck>charge

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Its smt like that

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Maybe the times I got weirded out by having no rage I did charge reck idk

modest condor
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charge reck only works if your autoattacks hit

wild mural
modest condor
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since you're not enraged yet there's a chance your auto attacks miss

uneven plaza
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our DK just dropped the Leggo in a Boost-run (he was getting boosted), how can i sudoku myself the quickest and most painless way possible?

modest condor
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so not reliable

teal sable
wild mural
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Ahh

wild mural
wild mural
unreal onyx
modest condor
pliant lantern
modest condor
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also sending spear after ava is always a bad idea on the standard opener

wild mural
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Oh yeah I didn’t read the full thing. Yeah for smolderon opener is different

unreal onyx
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smolderon is the only boss where you have to screw the regular opener

uneven plaza
modest condor
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because then you're just giving up free odyn's fury damage in spear

chilly fractal
still swift
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ask ur hpal to stab u w it

wild mural
digital bronze
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do we think the smolderon intermission orbs increase fyralath on use damage

wild mural
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Yea probably

digital bronze
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got it last night, smollyd prog today, wondering when to use it

modest condor
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it would be very weird if it didnt

digital bronze
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maybe first intermission after cds end and then what, 4th?

pliant lantern
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Before cds on first

digital bronze
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ahh yeah that would work, soon as you get orbs but before spear comes back up

pliant lantern
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You have dead time after picking up orbs and using cds on I1

modest condor
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you can just send it before your cds come off cooldown during the first damage phase

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oh we all said the same thing

wild mural
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Use the charge to get back in on the 5th ring in I1

modest condor
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that must mean it's a good idea!

wild mural
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Warrior hive mind spreading misinformation

still swift
modest condor
digital bronze
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hehe ty

surreal token
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Has anyoen completed the Empowered Dreamleaft quest here?

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Does the bonus Dreamleaf gained buff stack?

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Or is it just a one time thing at 50%

plucky ice
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imagine having lego deadge

vague copper
surreal token
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Imagine getting it on a rat alt that you have to do 52 dungeons to gear and farm aspect's crest for

wild mural
plucky ice
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i mean nobody forced u to farm it on an alt

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imagine complaining about getting the lego

unreal onyx
#

I wouldn't complain about getting leggo

#

maybe blizz gives it to me then?

plucky ice
#

yes

#

today

unreal onyx
#

we have hc alt raid on saturday

#

surely I will get it there and no rat alt that will never even finish the questline

eternal lance
proud elm
#

why are there two shadowflame patches in the guide, but everyone wears allied bracers + 1 patch? just because bracers are a little better at AoE?

jolly mist
#

does clearing lfr mean im locked out of a lego drop for this week btw>

modest condor
#

no

unreal onyx
#

pure ST 2x SF is better afaik

proud elm
#

thx

fading sky
#

i mean

#

not by a lot though

inner zinc
#

I think its mainly people like the durability the bracers provide

modest condor
#

if 2 things sim practically equal but 1 of them also has other benefits than just st dps then that one is just better

jolly mist
#

so i can try n do nm and heroic too and have a chance

#

just started gearing warr again so

modest condor
#

you can just do heroic and skip normal

teal sable
#

Easy

chilly fractal
#

I’m hoping some others in my guild get it soon

boreal solstice
#

We got two this week

#

Can you cancelaura the on use animation lock?

onyx linden
#

I would be in 488 with that bad boi, cant wait to get it before next patch launch

tacit crag
#

Doing hc fyrakk with one time chance at the legendary feels worse than being a degen that does lfr then normal then hc for 3 chances, even if they're worse % chance

#

We go agen next week trying to game the leggo.

onyx linden
marble bison
#

It should all math out to the same overall chance, right?

modest condor
#

it does

marble bison
#

kk

#

I do get the feeling tho

modest condor
#

if you do heroic it just does a roll for each lower difficulty as well

marble bison
#

I usually do lfr then pug normal cause I don't want to wait for raid night

tacit crag
modest condor
#

it's not like lfr is 1% normal is 2% and heroic is 5% and if you do normal first it becomes 4% for heroic

#

you just get 3 rolls, one for 1%, one for 2% and one for 5% if you kill it on heroic first

#

and if you do lfr first and then heroic you get 2 rolls, one for 2% and one for 5%

sullen dove
#

is that a yellow name verifying actual % chance of drops? xan (real)

modest condor
#

ok

#

percentages are obviously made up just to make the point

onyx linden
#

It would be fun to see if LFR roll won, and you got it with the least chance

modest condor
#

in case someone actually thinks what you said

sullen dove
marble bison
narrow narwhal
#

:woo:

modest condor
#

:woo:

sullen dove
marble bison
#

My warrior is almost done with heroic gearing 🙏

true sapphire
marble bison
#

I just need hero tier shoulders

flat river
#

is branch of tormented ancient good?

#

cause it dropped and idk if i should roll

onyx linden
#

Its always good to see people are happy even with full heroic hear, keep it up mate!

flat river
onyx linden
#

In mythic

flat river
#

i have Pip and Signet

#

fast 30 seconds left

#

xd

onyx linden
#

But 2 passive is more Chill

marble bison
#

just roll for it broski

flat river
#

and sim?

onyx linden
#

Sim it

#

Lol

flat river
#

i was the only one who rolled for it lmao

summer bobcat
#

just roll amte

marble bison
#

grats

summer bobcat
#

get it

onyx linden
#

Btw you didnt mention difficulty on any items you have

#

Its pretty hard to Tell

flat river
#

ah i gave it to the pali tank, it's his BiS

vague sand
#

branch is good

#

if u dont have augury or rezan mythic track

#

but I feel might is better

onyx linden
onyx linden
vague sand
#

Unless u have it already I wouldn't give out trinkets. YOu jsut never know

#

Yeah exactly, sim might say its better

flat river
#

rezan mythic track dropped for me in vault but it was 3000 downgrade

vague sand
#

how

#

u got pips bro, impossible

flat river
onyx linden
#

Bro

vague sand
#

thats MT

onyx linden
#

Thats aoe

vague sand
#

u gotta sim it on ST

flat river
#

well umm...

vague sand
#

Also thats 5min 5 targets

flat river
#

about that...

#

i may have...

#

chosen legs

onyx linden
#

Did you think you sim 470k ST?

vague sand
#

oof

onyx linden
#

Probably the biggest oof of your season

vague sand
#

Not to scare you, but it might be easier to reroll rogue atp

#

/s

subtle lagoon
#

Oofies

#

Well hey just get augury and you'll be fine

flat river
onyx linden
#

Thats still not patchwerk

#

But 1 step closer

vague sand
#

but yeah, roll an augury adn u solid

subtle lagoon
flat river
vague sand
onyx linden
#

470 pip > 483 Rezan confirmed

marble bison
#

seems right to me

flat river
#

look

sinful spoke
#

in aoe maybe

flat river
#

the sims dont lie

#

o-o

subtle lagoon
#

Technically an augury is better than rezan even in st, is it not?

vague sand
#

3k on a 450k sim is only a 0.6% diff

subtle lagoon
#

and signet is just bis

onyx linden
#

Well you didnt sim for ST

sinful spoke
flat river
#

F

#

20K

sinful spoke
#

F

wild mural
#

F

vague sand
#

Also, on a 1min 5target it woul've been actually less

onyx linden
#

Not 20k tho

sinful spoke
#

time to spam the dungeon

#

50 runs

#

for drop

onyx linden
#

Thats with talent changes

sinful spoke
vague sand
#

bro no way

flat river
#

I HAVE THE WORST BRAIN sadgers

onyx linden
vague sand
#

confirmed

sinful spoke
#

its like a 3k dps gain

flat river
#

no backsies? ;-;

sinful spoke
#

that u lost

#

no

onyx linden
#

Sim it with ST talents already choses

onyx linden
flat river
#

i did sim with ST talents

vague sand
#

item restore ur vault

onyx linden
#

No, you chose talents in sim

vague sand
#

or travel back in time

sinful spoke
#

just go into a self induced coma for a week

#

hope next vault has oner

cosmic lance
#

Just scroll down, or change your talents in game

flat river
#

i cant

#

i already chose legs

vague sand
wild mural
#

I’m never running AD again tho

IMG_2858.png
vague sand
#

same thing, it was a 1.6% upgrade

spare otter
#

It's worth holding CDs for 12 seconds to pad on adds right?

vague sand
#

sim legs on st

#

if you get about the same result then not much happened

wild mural
sinful spoke
#

i did my first 23 and it was AD

flat river
#

cant i message blizz and say i lagged or smthing

#

:P

sinful spoke
#

my fav dungeon this season by far

left perch
vague sand
#

AD ez

cosmic lance
#

Atal and brh are just freebies

spiral oasis
#

Did they at least pay u

wild mural
#

I did a 22 DHT and Throne in time that’s good enough for me

sinful spoke
wild mural
sinful spoke
#

freshly boosted

left perch
#

imagine doing totem boss with those ilvls

sinful spoke
#

LOL

#

LMFAO

flat river
#

this is why i started playing classic

modest condor
sinful spoke
#

bro got the 424 boosted ilvl trinket

spiral oasis
wild mural
modest condor
#

in the end augury should beat rezan

wild mural
ember apex
#

totem boss spell reflect RNG on TotT can be mega OP

flat river
#

even last season i picked something else instead of nelth sword

#

because i simmed wrong

wild mural
#

I did like +100k dps on them tho

spiral oasis
wild mural
#

Oh I got the best message of the season why we wiped

spiral oasis
#

My tank never lets me try the taunt spell reflect on last boss tho </3

ember apex
#

yeah it does. it's crazy but the worse is getting the dot 0.01s after spell reflect falls off

wild mural
sinful spoke
#

lol

spiral oasis
vague sand
#

My tank is like wtf just happened

wild mural
#

We finished 2 minutes before the superbloom started

spiral oasis
#

I should stop asking then lmao

#

I've never done it

vague sand
#

just do it last sec

#

then jump away

#

so tank can grab aggro again

#

XD

spiral oasis
#

Is there a cast time for the ink of ozumat bolt or does he just send it

flat river
#

me rn

spiral oasis
#

What

modest condor
#

there's like a 0.5 second cast time or something

#

it's very tight

vague sand
flat river
modest condor
#

if you're talking about the outrange reflect thing

flat river
#

it was mythic track...

#

;-;

#

can i farm mythic track items in m+?

spiral oasis
modest condor
#

no

vague sand
#

if you get an augury then you would've replace it, even on mythic track

modest condor
#

but your tank needs to be on top of it to taunt back

#

because it's just gonna chain cast if he doesnt

spiral oasis
#

Lmao I should try it in a pug

modest condor
#

you'll die for sure

spiral oasis
#

MY TANK PLAYER NEVER LETS ME DO IT

cosmic lance
#

play nightelf for safety i guess

flat river
#

i had a dream my mom and dad gave me 500 dollars for my bday

sinful spoke
#

guys how many max lvl alts do u have

flat river
sinful spoke
#

is that a lot or a little

vague sand
#

7

sinful spoke
#

i gotta question my sanity rn

modest condor
#

i never do it myself, i get that it's a big reflect but it's super risky and honestly not really needed

flat river
#

disco priest, havoc dh, and bm hunter

vague sand
#

I literally have 5 max level warriors

sinful spoke
#

i havbe

vague sand
#

only play one tho

modest condor
#

imagine having alts

sinful spoke
#

this many

ember apex
#

i have a pvp alt for warrior and priest

#

you basically need to b/c of sparks/crafting

vague sand
#

I thought of that too

#

tried to pvp but have n sparks on my main

#

had to push an alt

vague sand
#

unless ur playing them all I wouldnt worry about it that much

sinful spoke
#

im just trying to figure out what i want my main to be other than my dk

onyx linden
#

I have like 23 alts, for mount farming, nothing else

vague sand
#

^

sinful spoke
vague sand
#

I have a fuck ton of alts from shadowlands, they can do mount farming as good as lvl70s so

onyx linden
spiral oasis
onyx linden
#

Well I did some serious farming

vague sand
#

Have at least 11 toons parked outside the eye

vague sand
onyx linden
#

Fuck pvp tho

vague sand
#

the dragonriding skins are real cool tho

spiral oasis
#

Yeah but only like 5 people can have them

vague sand
#

but 100 wins after reaching 2k1 rating fucks ass or something, idk

spiral oasis
#

I thought it was 2.4

vague sand
#

or is it 2k4? i dont remeber

#

yeah

spiral oasis
#

Awful

marble bison
#

50 wins after 2.4k

#

not for the faint of heart

flat river
marble bison
#

or the light of wallet.

#

haha

vague sand
#

oh its only 50? got all my facts skewed lol

spiral oasis
#

This is my first time doing pvp and trying to get 1.8k in 2s is hard

marble bison
#

2s is super gimmicky compared to 3s

#

It's weird. 3s requires more coordination but it is "easier" to succeed

craggy moss
#

what do we craft this week? got wrists back and ring

onyx linden
spiral oasis
marble bison
#

in 2s it is much easier to exploit the weakness of a class, like getting kited like hell as a warrior

spiral oasis
#

The amount of BM hunters and frost mages is fucking insane

vague sand
#

arms is solid almost always in pvp

marble bison
#

yeah I stopped pvping last season and started raiding and I enjoy it significantly more

spiral oasis
#

I do like hitting disc priests tho.

flat river
silver mantle
#

5 weeks in and still no legendary. Top design

spiral oasis
#

I do NOT like the hunters, mages, and occasionally some rogues are very good.

silver mantle
#

Reckon I'll get it in War Within

flat river
#

should i use MT build on council?

restive peak
#

Yes ofc

flat river
#

oki

onyx linden
cursive hazel
#

is onehanded from fyrak with smf comparable to 2x twohanders?

onyx linden
cursive hazel
#

i see it as alternative on wowhead so just wanted to see how far behind is it or whatever

onyx linden
#

A lot

#

Forget it

silver mantle
#

Think of it this way: Next patch is already confirmed, leaving us with a few months time. Considering the time remaining, I'd likely get half, maybe less than half the patch duration with the legendary

#

IF it drops at all (which it might not)

craggy moss
#

what do we craft this week? got wrists back and ring

vague sand
#

its RNG

silver mantle
#

Also take into consideration that we and the 2 other 2h classes are tuned around the legendary

vague sand
#

50% chance for you

jovial rover
#

If smf was anything but a meme you'd see someone high running it.

silver mantle
#

Means we play for the majority of the patch without the optimal build

arctic copper
vague sand
#

im running smf irl

onyx linden
#

But yea

spiral oasis
silver mantle
arctic copper
#

no, but signs point to yes

vague sand
#

its assumed

onyx linden
#

You could use the lego bow

#

So we should

vague sand
#

didnt they confirmed a dinar-like vendor?

silver mantle
#

If that is the case, then fine.

upper token
#

Did the SL bow ilvl went up for S4? Can't remember

silver mantle
#

But something tells me it wont

arctic copper
onyx linden
#

We will dont worry

upper token
#

Safe to assume this will be the same thing for the axe and the evoker leggo aswell then

vague sand
#

Im sure they said a long time ago that dinar would come back but not as good as dinar was

arctic copper
#

i mean if there was something to doom/gloom about, it's not the time left, but how crappy the on use is lol

onyx linden
#

They wont put in a lego and scrap it after 1 patch

#

We are fine

spiral oasis
onyx linden
silver mantle
arctic copper
#

i honestly would prefer the evoker leggo effect that buffs the group rather than the on use on fyralath

spiral oasis
#

What is telling you that

silver mantle
#

Remember the cloak in BfA?

#

Literally only for that one patch

spiral oasis
#

?

silver mantle
#

Granted we all got it early on but still

onyx linden
arctic copper
#

wasnt the cloak on the last patch of bfa? lol

spiral oasis
#

The one you got on the last patch

vague sand
spiral oasis
#

Was that one rng?

vague sand
#

different situations

true sapphire
#

A cloak that everyone could get via a quest...

spiral oasis
#

I feel like you got it from a story quest

#

Lmao

arctic copper
#

🤔

vague sand
#

that shit was everything but legendary

untold moth
#

Holy fuck does the leggo really need 200 resonant crystals? That market is gonna go to the fucking Moon and then Alpha Centauri if it stays at 200 and BLP kicks in soon...

arctic copper
#

resnonat crystals isnt the most expensive part lol

#

but also prices are dropping on all the materials for the leggo

#

i think since two weeks ago, the cost dropped by 1/2

untold moth
#

I think that's wrong by a lot, crystals are the most expensive and they are going up hard

arctic copper
#

awakened orders were 800-1000 gold each a few weeks ago

flat river
#

i got helmet with socket :D

onyx linden
#

They are going down

true sapphire
#

TSM says market value is up 256% on my server, for crystals.

vague sand
#

Leggo went from 1mill to somewhere around 400k?

arctic copper
#

^

onyx linden
untold moth
#

Are crystals server only?

arctic copper
#

i think botters are back, they dropped the prices on rousing/awakened a ton

onyx linden
#

Between 2-300k in EU now

untold moth
#

I thought crystals would be regional, and they peaked at 1.5k this morning

onyx linden
#

1.5k? What

quiet geyser
#

Inb4 people pre buy all the mats for legendary and not even loot it all tier dander

spare otter
#

i bought mine for 400k 2 weeks ago

arctic copper
spare otter
#

ig its much cheaper now

vague sand
#

I bought mats for two leggos, then found out I could only loot in once

arctic copper
#

probably someone bought up a low supply and reposted it much higher

vague sand
onyx linden
#

Bought 200 crystals 300g/each yesterday

restive peak
indigo quarry
#

The copium

arctic copper
#

our true copium is the pinned post archi wrote

#

"the weapon is shit anyway"

onyx linden
vague sand
#

oof

onyx linden
#

Or Maybe even more, not sure

indigo quarry
#

Not the smartest investment

vague sand
#

I only bought whatever was cheap at the time

onyx linden
#

Same

#

Always checked prices and when they dropped back to normal I bought those items

#

Saved a ton of gold

vague sand
#

spent like 30k or so, crystals were mad expensive I was like no

#

yeop

onyx linden
#

Ink prices

#

Now that was disgusting

#

From 80g to 400g each

#

And you need 250

inner zinc
#

Ive been mass producing them on my scribe

vague sand
#

Good flipping business if bought right before the spike

onyx linden
#

They are back to like 120g now

arctic copper
#

resonant crystals?

onyx linden
#

Inks

arctic copper
#

ahh the cosmic inks? yeah

hidden coral
#

honestly i'm using my herbalism slave char to just farm those mats during idle times

arctic copper
#

same i farmed all my mats for it, but i guess the argument can be made i could ahve sold those mats instead

hidden coral
#

yea i leave those thoughts for the goblins. Flying through the azure span gives me a feeling of serenity

true sapphire
#

what if they made destabilize reflectable

subtle lagoon
#

what if warrior buff

hoary locust
#

anyone confirmed LFR leggo drop here?

past pivot
#

Yes. Been confirmed. Many times.

barren ore
#

If you do heroic fyrakk first, can the axe still drop on normal/lfr fyrakk for this week?

obtuse copper
#

Which embelishment would u go for in m+ (only m+ , no raiding)? I'm doing wrist + back (shadowflame) atm.. Been thinking about changing the back to the haste legs ones, but that juust seems better for ST.. Suggestions? 😄

barren ore
#

(not talking about the ember)

past pivot
past pivot
obtuse copper
#

Yeah I have those already

#

But for the 2nd one

#

It seems like it doesnt matter that much haha

past pivot
#

Ring for stats and flavor packet

lean wasp
#

can someone link me a good spell reflect WA ? mine doesnt show the flame shock and focused tempest in ToTT

past pivot
#

Qol

obtuse copper
#

Already got the ring one aswell

meager void
hidden coral
wild mural
obtuse copper
#

Yeah, I really should get flavor pocket , such a big win in m+ spamming

hard widget
meager void
subtle lagoon
#

Monks are decent now, nice

hard widget
#

Get a weakaura to show you when it will do it

#

Pop reflect 1 sec before

obtuse copper
#

It's instant cast, just have to precast Spellreflect

hard widget
#

Its rng if it will be on you

obtuse copper
#

And just pray to rng gods

hard widget
#

It can not go on you 2 times after eachother

meager void
#

yeah, what they said. Follow boss timers and /pray

lean wasp
#

did it randomly to see if i can reflect and it worked

subtle lagoon
#

It dots the boss for big dam

lean wasp
#

is there is a way to track its timer cuz i dont think lill wigs show it

stray cloak
#

Hey, this probably gets asked all the time but how big is the gap between SMF and 2-handers?

subtle lagoon
#

spell cds on nameplate weakaura

wild mural
wild mural
stray cloak
#

Ah, okay, so pretty big but not so much that I feel like I'm throwing by running fury with prot 1 handers, ty

wild mural
#

Yeah it’s smaller this tier cause we benefit more from the increased attack speed

#

But it’s still a significant difference if you’re trying to do high level stuff as fury

stray cloak
#

Yeah, I'm not too worried about it, I'm just doing like 15-20s with friends as off spec

#

I figured it probably wasn't too big a deal but wanted to check

wild mural
#

Fair

errant vessel
#

another ember

#

surely next week though

chilly fractal
#

100%

prime root
#

How do yall do your cool downs on normal/heroic smolderon?

meager void
#

just remember that there probably are 2h str users who currently hold CE and are still w/o leggo.

ember apex
#

i legit thought this week was the week i rushed to do fyrakk and shit and nothing. i did see a paladin get it though so maybe it's like half this week other half next week? only thing i can think of

past pivot
#

By now everyone probably has at least a 5% chance at the axe per week

ember apex
#

there's no way it's that low

#

it's gotta be like 50/50 by now

olive wraith
#

Why not

ember apex
#

even if u only get 10% BLP per week

chilly fractal
#

It’s been 50/50 the whole time

ember apex
#

that's still 50% BLP

chilly fractal
#

You either got it or you don’t

ember apex
#

from week 1

past pivot
#

It's never been 50/50

olive wraith
#

I’m sure it’s less than 10% blp

sullen dove
ember apex
#

no way 10% thats super low. that means each token is like <2% lol

#

like a super conservative estimate on BLP token is lets say +10% chance

errant vessel
#

I mean

ember apex
#

per greater

past pivot
#

The evoker BLP was estimated to be like 0.3% per kill per week

chilly fractal
#

I imagined each lesser was .1% and greater was 1%

ember apex
#

so thats 5 weeks of fyrakk kills

errant vessel
#

else 10% of top M+ would have it

meager gyro
#

Did someone say 50/50 😡warriorbrain

ember apex
prime root
errant vessel
#

More actually

ember apex
#

there's no way it's less than 50% it's 5 weeks in

chilly fractal
#

You gotta be blazed out of your mind if you think it’s a 50% drop chance or more

meager void
#

we should start the rumor that killing Fyrak on xmas morning will guarantee leggo

hidden coral
ember apex
#

i think half get it this week and the other remaining half next

#

is probably whats happening

#

i saw someone get it yesterday

#

so

meager void
#

its 69% chance atm imo

past pivot
#

I've never seen 1 drop on any difficulty on any toon. It's insanity to think every plate wearer not with it wil get it next week

meager void
#

its also important to distinguish statements from satire

meager gyro
#

It's a 0.87% drop chance this week with no lesser essence

ember apex
meager void
#

i mean, thats true for all

hidden kite
ember apex
#

but not just blanket 'every plate wearer'

meager void
#

if you didnt get it his week, you prob get it next kekw

olive wraith
hidden kite
#

Is it weird to never see a lesser for 4 weeks straight

ember apex
#

so obviously its gonna be way less

olive wraith
#

But they got it later in the season

ember apex
#

yeah

olive wraith
#

Less weeks total to get it before new season

#

So you’d think that blp would be higher

ember apex
#

dude most ppl are 6/9 or 7/9M prog rn. if u get it any later what is it gonna be for? 1 boss and then...?

olive wraith
#

M+?!

meager void
#

um

ember apex
#

i think, just mathematically it next week makes the most sense

olive wraith
#

What kind of question is that

past pivot
meager void
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how is one of our Theorycrafters playing Half Life 3?

ember apex
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do u need to do M+ once ur CE? for what

olive wraith
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People don’t just clear the raid once

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There’s parsing

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Pushing keys

ember apex
olive wraith
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Otherwise you’d stop at like 480 ilvl with no reason for better gear

meager gyro
meager void
meager gyro
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That was evoker blp implementation. The increase chance blp have was significantly higher due to it coming out later in the season as it wasn't gathering pre patched kills

thorn oriole
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Best fury warrior use their cd like this

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spare otter
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of on cd maybe'

shy talon
meager gyro
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The info we did get about evoker is, 2% blp chance added on mythic kills, 1.5% heroic

ember apex
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get fact checked

thorn oriole
meager gyro
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AI facts

modest condor
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AI always speaks the truth

hard widget
ember apex
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next week then?

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also have u been minmaxing ur BLP

past pivot
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min/maxing blp. What is this? You think you have some secret sauce? lol

ember apex
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i saw a 472 green parsing heroic and normal ret paladin get it yesterday on heroic. so it's happening soon. it wasnt this week (for me) so. idk u do the math lol

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so if its not next week

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fine

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when is it then

meager void
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its coming with the three wise men

mossy fox
ember apex
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next year?

past pivot
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Ask Bing what the randos who got it on the first kill did to "min/max their BLP".

meager void
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they killed the boss and looted it