I only rolled on it "to fuck around with"
#fury
wild mural
sullen basin
the only bosses i dont use WW on are Igira, Volcaross, Nymue and Smolderon right
unreal onyx
you can argue to play ww on igira
if spears live long enough
but volc, nymue and smold are definetly ST fights
clever path
spears will live long enough
sullen basin
how long do tindral roots last on heroic
clever path
since people run out of cds
sullen basin
normal its almost like they instantly go
covert coyote
H like 5-10 maybe
covert coyote
I play with clowns and have to call out people to target them so people are out before shrooms kill them
covert coyote
I know. It’s a sorry state of a raid group
sullen basin
I guess if I make it to tindral I'm bringing the whirlwind
covert coyote
It’s worth
unreal onyx
tindral definetly
covert coyote
Unless your group can aoe blast, then maybe just hit em with the OF / TR
But I run WW there
lavish beacon
edgy widget
like your might of the ocean comment yesterday, it's still objectively one of the better trinkets this season
let people enjoy things lmao
covert coyote
Nah get the sleep. What better motivation to start the day early than crafting that Orange boy
edgy widget
the only bosses i dont use WW on are Igira, Volcaross, Nymue and Smolderon right
Thing about WW talents is there's very little loss from taking them (~2%?), so even if there isn't a lot of cleave, even getting just a few GCDs in still generally adds more than Execute talents will
wild mural
Nah get the sleep. What better motivation to start the day early than crafting t...
that I've gotta go to work in the office
covert coyote
Then send it rn
past pivot
that I've gotta go to work in the office
Go to sleep. You make it then you want to use it then you are really burnt.
floral frigate
slim pollen
Did you switch to arms from prot after the boss died and loot popped up? If so, that's why
stable cove
hey guys does execute take prio over bloodbath during the execute phase or do we just use execute as filler
zenith gorge
Got Council Bracers + Socket - could upgrade helm by 3 ilvls and use shadowflame instead of vers bracers which would net almost 3k DPS. What would you guys say? Seems worth it to me tbh
warm crag
can you link the sim
somber elk
Guys there is no need to clear normal for legy if we clear hc Right ?
spiral oasis
Guys there is no need to clear normal for legy if we clear hc Right ?
There is no nees
Need
somber elk
There is no nees
Ty
wanton mirage
What's up with Fire mage getting buffed instantly after they fall out of S tier M+ a couple of weeks?
They dominated whole Season 2 already.
pseudo rampart
Is spear of bastion not a thing for ST buiilds anylonger?
pseudo rampart
okay cool, ty
past pivot
okay cool, ty
if it's HC or reclears, you might see people just staying in their M+ builds as they cba to change. Or trying to pad on adds.
pseudo rampart
yeah thats probably it 😄
restive peak
I run shockwave M+ build in heroic fuckityolo
xD
Noone swaps for that, def just look at mythic kill builds
silent burrow
you can argue to play ww on igira
I used ww on igira and it was still like a 95 or something boss damage
flat sapphire
Is it worth running signet in dungeons
restive peak
Hilariously enough for all the M+ I run, my boss damage parses are always considerably higher than my overall parses xD
silent burrow
if there was a week for it, it's a week with spiteful
past pivot
Is it worth running signet in dungeons
if tank chain pulls, everbloom or spiteful weeks. Otherwise, can lose stacks
silent burrow
Or if you're like me and you have no other option lol
zenith gorge
Got Council Bracers + Socket - could upgrade helm by 3 ilvls and use shadowflame...
Sorry to bother again - is that a viable alternative? If it's not our ret would take the wrists
flat sapphire
Yea I felt that when I did a dht earlier that I lost my stacks all the time cause I pugged a tank
restive peak
Sorry to bother again - is that a viable alternative? If it's not our ret would ...
I would give the bracers to the ret, you're gonna replace that helmet and go back to either versa bracers or SF bracers at some point
paper ivy
guys i killed fyrakk but looted him without consuming the greather thingy
restive peak
But depends how your guild is for team vs personal loot stuff, I always give sidegrades to perma upgrade peeps
restive peak
Doesn't work that way Mahan
past pivot
i didnt drop fyrala
Only for Augury
past pivot
Not every melee it seems. Sorry
paper ivy
😦
past pivot
But no comp and then can help you
restive peak
We have seen 1 leggo drop; was a raiders friends alt we took for the run smile
unreal onyx
like your might of the ocean comment yesterday, it's still objectively one of th...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4m6WrrFecVByV9s1EJwuDS from my sims it is R5/12 simmed trinkets. calling that "okay" seems fair imo
zenith gorge
I would give the bracers to the ret, you're gonna replace that helmet and go bac...
But would I really replace that helmet? Even if I were to get the AD helmet at 489, simming everything with a socket would still be a DPS upgrade compared to vers bracers: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fU36qmsGQZ2RpeC7Bbf8M5
Ah man, so torn right now
restive peak
But would I really replace that helmet? Even if I were to get the AD helmet at 4...
But SF is only an upgrade on pure ST; none of the hard prog fights are pure ST, and versa also adds survivability and immediately becomes better once a 2nd target is introduced (all of tindral/fyrakk), and helm @ 489 is more stats.
summer idol
So bliz literally boosted arcane, frost and ret and left warrior with nothing lol
restive peak
You will eventually sim differently.
spice sage
ez
restive peak
Grz bro
zenith gorge
Gz
edgy widget
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4m6WrrFecVByV9s1EJwuDS from my sims it is...
ok, you didn't call it "ok," and there are also a lot more than 12 trinkets this season lol
jus sayin the guy is excited about getting some loot, don't need to dump on em
spiral oasis
He said its OK right here
unreal onyx
also since I know the person I responded to, I would say it's banter
cunning moth
anybody got the script for ember ?
pseudo rampart
if i want a embelishment setup that'll be decent for both m+ and raids, do i go with the versa wrists + 1 shadowflame?
spiral oasis
if i want a embelishment setup that'll be decent for both m+ and raids, do i go ...
Yes : )
silent burrow
Bro WHAT
molten relic
demon
covert blaze
Is it push week for tyrannical?
past pivot
lol eff no
unreal onyx
propably the worst affix combo there can be for fury
slim coral
I don’t understand why the nullification trinket sims so well
oblique trail
It's just a lot of vers
covert blaze
I don’t understand why the nullification trinket sims so well
Vers is good
slim coral
Is the passive good?
slim coral
In keys
oblique trail
Ideally you wouldn't have it activate in the first place
slim coral
Like how often does it proc
oblique trail
Idk what the proc rate is on it
I just use it as a stat stick because I have no augury/crab
snow edge
🦀
slim coral
Does avoidance only reduce aoe dmg or does it reduce all dmg including dmg applied to you for example the thorns from the waycrest boss
snow edge
Big Crab, Big Fan
jovial rover
Is there a rage bar with rage gain prediction / swing timer weak aura somewhwere ?
acoustic furnace
Is it worth running signet in dungeons
As long as the tank is pulling constantly yes. Also can't die. Also can't be used on dungeons with long RP.
past pivot
Bunches on wago. Find one you like @jovial rover
jovial rover
Yeah I'm finding swing timer but no rage prediction into rage bar and bundles sucks
edgy widget
Does avoidance only reduce aoe dmg or does it reduce all dmg including dmg appli...
it's not super consistent - while it's labelled as "aoe damage" it frequently affects a lot more - Sarkareth is a good example, where it affected a lot of the debuff dots as well
should be more generally taken to mean "not direct melee/single targeted casts"
wild mural
Im almost a big boye
vestal ice
Yeah I'm finding swing timer but no rage prediction into rage bar and bundles su...
Don't you generate 50% extra rage on melee crits making it hard to predict esp since its annhilator
edgy widget
Fury does not generate extra rage on crit
vestal ice
Fury does not generate extra rage on crit
👍 ty
slim coral
it's not super consistent - while it's labelled as "aoe damage" it frequently af...
I see interesting
rotund ginkgo
covert blaze
Is there a rage bar with rage gain prediction / swing timer weak aura somewhwere...
Twintops resource bar, it's an actual addon
jovial rover
thx mate
stark brook
how is it posssible that 8 ppl in our raid that are eligible for the legi haven´t gotten it yet and killed it on hc each week but some random twink gets it first time 😄
past pivot
rng
stark brook
jovial rover
how is it posssible that 8 ppl in our raid that are eligible for the legi haven´...
Those 8 guys keep logging in so everything's working perfectly right ?
turbid needle
snow edge
GOTTEM
wild mural
jovial rover
He’s implying it’s a marketing scheme by blizzard
Nah I'm implying that rng legendaries aren't frustrating enough for people to leave so it must be working by Blizz standards
If you had to work for it they'd probably lose some casuals complaining about putting effort into something good
edgy widget
I mean the real issue is how do you setup the "work for it" aspect?
it can't just be a "kill 9 bosses a week then turn in" quest, or every single player gets it all at the same time - that obviously isn't gonna work
snow edge
Well you do have to work for it in a sense, since the majority of us will get it simply by getting enough chances at the drop via raids + BLP
edgy widget
ideally you do something like Shadowmourne, where a guild works together to decide who to give it to, but that cuts out much of the casual/solo crowd who don't have dedicated guilds
jovial rover
it can't just be a "kill 9 bosses a week then turn in" quest, or every single pl...
My sarcasm meters is broken
edgy widget
that's not sarcasm, it's a legitimate point
you think they're just going to give every single pally/dk/war a legendary all at the same time, which is also the best item in the game? that's a massive power spike, which further encourages class stacking
while I don't like the RNG acquisition, it's arguably the fairest way for everyone
covert blaze
it can't just be a "kill 9 bosses a week then turn in" quest, or every single pl...
Maybe more currency per boss per difficulty level?
jovial rover
Didn't they balance us around it ?
unreal onyx
I would've preferred an actual questline for the leggo
not just "kill x amount of rares"
or "collect x amount of items"
past pivot
They created a new problem with this BLP. It created the impression that people will be getting the leggo in a week or two. That may or may not be the case so expectations may be false. That's a dangerous narrative unless they truly intend to give it away like candy sooner than later
jovial rover
We're frontloaded rng drop then have to fill the questline after lol
nova atlas
i feel like in wrath everybody had Shadowmourne even though it was a super long process
edgy widget
Maybe more currency per boss per difficulty level?
maybe, but you're still affecting the same result - all Mythic players get it more or less at the same time
you're also creating a system of hierarchy - mythic players get it first, then H players, then N players, etc; no way that backfires and creates hard feelings, right? 😆
unreal onyx
worked semi-well in SL with dinars for the sylvanas bow
edgy widget
to a point, but those items aren't nearly as exclusive either
covert blaze
It would feel more rewarding imo
unreal onyx
iirc you were able to buy that with the token
edgy widget
worked semi-well in SL with dinars for the sylvanas bow
dinar didn't exist until the final fated tier
unreal onyx
yes
but you were able to buy a essentially legendary item
and everyone got it pretty much at the same time too
edgy widget
and dinar only existed because that final fated tier was
A - much shorter than a regular tier
B - on a 3 week rotation, which meant you only had 1 shot at the item every 3 weeks
covert blaze
Aren't they more exclusive? You will never get mythic signet brand if you only raid HC but you will eventually get the leggo
dense elbow
Dinars were neat, but I rather just have it for the 'fun season' that is s4.
edgy widget
Dinar and the Fated season were very standalone systems
fading bane
Dinar is the one thing i hope they keep
edgy widget
also every player/class had something to get via Dinar, we're not talking about an exclusive item with no counterpart for everyone else
carmine mason
Do we know what arms/fury look like with the leggo btw??
past pivot
All blizz needed to do was say: We expect x% of the player base to have looted thje legendary by x amount of time. And y% of the player base to have it by y amount of time.
edgy widget
Do we know what arms/fury look like with the leggo btw??
looks like Arms/Fury with a legendary axe
a red and fiery one
carmine mason
Yee but
snow edge
Do we know what arms/fury look like with the leggo btw??
You can sim it
carmine mason
Stronk?
edgy widget
read the pins lol
carmine mason
Kk
covert blaze
All blizz needed to do was say: We expect x% of the player base to have looted t...
People would just complain about not getting it even more lol
dense elbow
People will just complain, even if they get it
Our BDK got lego today - so I am very happy
edgy widget
All blizz needed to do was say: We expect x% of the player base to have looted t...
why do they need to say that?
so people who get it sooner feel better and people who get it later feel worse? lol
pulsar prawn
me after getting legendary 
edgy widget
broad base statistics mean very little to the individual experience
spare otter
i suck man...
carmine mason
1 in the pink
past pivot
why do they need to say that?
People have expectations that they are getting it in the next week or two with embers. If that's the case, all good. If not, people are going to more upset that the evokers were over their leggy. Just seems ham-handed how they're handling it.
carmine mason
5 in the stink
verbal kayak
lucky signet last M reclear weekly vault
fast mural
higher ilvl than me with leggo
dense elbow
i suck man...
I got a grey on Nym, dont feel bad love
midnight kite
Larodar phases directly after a charge because all the ranged are like "well I am sure if I dont stop dps it will be fine"
summer quail
i suck man...
That's still purple average. It's not bad man
spare otter
ty im gonna chalk it down to wf diff
summer quail
Real
spare otter
that's for sure the reason
lost bison
neat idol
warm wren
no
chilly fractal
476 Brand is holding me back
chilly fractal
sims make me scratch my head sometimes.... doing a droptimizer for Mythic 4/4 and it tells me 489 gloves are a 561 dps increase from my 476 gloves... but then I gear compare and it tells me its closer to 1200
maybe the droptimizer is simming upgrade from 483 as opposed to 476?
pulsar prawn
maybe the droptimizer is simming upgrade from 483 as opposed to 476?
maybe you can link your droptimizer ? maybe you didnt set up the upgrade option correct ?
pulsar prawn
hmm looks correct from your side..
could try posting it in raidbots discord
the devs are very responsive
quiet geyser
Is the drop chance for the legendary known? Also how much the greaters and lessers actually help?
frozen lake
All we know is kill on the highest difficulty you can each week, nothing else matters
Even the blp items are just placebo, the changes take place on kill
edgy widget
Even the blp items are just placebo, the changes take place on kill
that's not actually known at all
just a complete assumption
urban drum
I need a parse demon to tell me what optimal haste level is, idk if i trust bloodmallet secondary stat
quiet geyser
I wouldn't call it a placebo, more of a place holder
edgy widget
it's neither
frozen lake
That might be a better word
rotund steppe
i wish we could see the % change each week
edgy widget
it's not lol
young swan
<@137363315817971712> no lego, no brand, no augury
🫡
onyx linden
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uFzQMEh6NNZW5Vp6rTCgR3
i have a similar issue in the arms channel, maybe Archi will check on it later
edgy widget
I will probably not
olive wraith
onyx linden
rotund steppe
edgy widget
even assuming all of the input is the same, larger sims will always have a wider degree of results
quiet geyser
i wish we could see the % change each week
I've been as lucky as lucky can be without actually getting the axe, last 2 weeks I've gotten a lesser on almost every mythic boss kill lol
sturdy violet
<@137363315817971712> no lego, no brand, no augury
Just like me fr fr
neon nacelle
which is better for m+, might + signet or might or might + ember ?
might + ember is simming higher on me
quiet geyser
If i had to guestimate, I've prob looted about 10-12 lessers now
onyx linden
If i had to guestimate, I've prob looted about 10-12 lessers now
same, weekly 3-4 minumum
rotund steppe
tf
hardy timber
Where do we macro in might ?
rotund steppe
how lessers workk is stupid af
coarse nest
The WA tells me I have 10
onyx linden
we have a wa?
olive wraith
which is better for m+, might + signet or might or might + ember ?
Signet has higher potential but it’s probably worse if you can’t maintain stacks
rotund steppe
theres a wa?
coarse nest
onyx linden
cool
coarse nest
Keep in mind it is largely useless
quiet geyser
Does it backtrack?
coarse nest
Yes it does
neon nacelle
blp is the item that increases the chance drop?
coarse nest
Yes
rotund steppe
Keep in mind it is largely useless
useful to feel depressed
neon nacelle
how much stacks do u have?
coarse nest
I have 10
cunning moth
Is there any blp for the blp ? 🤣
rotund steppe
nope lmao
coarse nest
I wouldn’t be surprised if the lessers do literally nothing
And it’s simply a placebo effect
rotund steppe
prob a 0.01% increase lmao
past pivot
I wouldn't be surprised if the embers did anything at all. You get the BLP on the kill regardless of if you get an ember or use it or not It's just a visual panacea.
onyx linden
Can I loot in normal raid, if i did heroic raid
lego or lesser? answer is no to both
cunning moth
lego or lesser? answer is no to both
And greater ?
onyx linden
you get greater on you highest diff
rotund steppe
cunning moth
But then if I do lfr - nm - hc I’d get 3 instead of just 1 if I did hc first
Doesn’t make sense
oblique trail
yeah but it'll add up to the same
rotund steppe
supposedly
oblique trail
Stop being tinfoil hat
cunning moth
yeah but it'll add up to the same
But in talking about blp not chance for the lego to drop
rotund steppe
no >:c
coarse nest
I don’t bother with normal or lfr
oblique trail
But in talking about blp not chance for the lego to drop
Yes and I'm saying there's no reason to not believe it wont add up to the same
coarse nest
Just do heroic and call it a day
onyx linden
But then if I do lfr - nm - hc I’d get 3 instead of just 1 if I did hc first
to make it simple, if you kill it HC first you get 3% chance greater, if you kill LFR+NORM+HC you will get 3 times 1% greater
rotund steppe
i do lfr just to see if someone gets it
coarse nest
I did first 6 mythic the last two weeks before doing heroic incase I looted extra lessers witch I did
thorn oriole
Does wow analyser is reliable ?
oblique trail
No
cunning moth
I wonder if statistically I get a higher chance of getting it if u do only hc or if it’s statistically likelier to drop if u do lfr nm hc
young swan
the only thing killing all difficulties lowest -> highest does is give the lego more opportunities to drop, the chance will still be insanely low per kill
onyx linden
I wonder if statistically I get a higher chance of getting it if u do only hc or...
exactly the same stat if you would do all below
past pivot
I wonder if statistically I get a higher chance of getting it if u do only hc or...
Statistically the same chance
cunning moth
Statistically the same chance
No way. If I have 1x 100% chance vs 100x 1% it’s totally different
onyx linden
not how it works
cunning moth
But it is how it works. Are you likelier to win while having 1x 10% chance or 10x 1% chance. There’s 100% a mathematical formula to calculate it
past pivot
No way. If I have 1x 100% chance vs 100x 1% it’s totally different
Yes way. You can do LFR then Normal then Heroic or Heroic and have the same chance. LFR has the smallest % then normal then heroic.
oblique trail
People are thinking way too much about this
And trying to min/max a system you don't know anything behidn the scenes about
past pivot
But it is how it works. Are you likelier to win while having 1x 10% chance or 10...
It's not an equal chance per difficulty. It's weighted
onyx linden
People are thinking way too much about this
they try to be the ONE who finds out things, when blizzard already confirmed how it works
thorn oriole
Nobody cares about my request about WoW analyser
young swan
blizzard hasnt really confirmed anything other than doing highest difficulty includes rolls from all previous difficulties
onyx linden
blizzard hasnt really confirmed anything other than doing highest difficulty inc...
well, thats his question
coarse nest
Imagine you roll dice to try and get a 6 using:
1 dice with 6 on 3 sides
And 3 dice with 6 on 1 side
cunning moth
blizzard hasnt really confirmed anything other than doing highest difficulty inc...
And that’s my point is it mathematically higher chance to get it if you roll three times or just one. Yeah it depends on the exact % but you get what I’m asking
thorn oriole
I thought Warriors were stupid but u guys are killing the debate
Math démonstration and sht
young swan
And that’s my point is it mathematically higher chance to get it if you roll thr...
ultimately it just comes down to preference; do you feel better rolling the dice 3 times with a 1%er on each or 1 dice with a 3%er
coarse nest
Idk if how I typed it out makes sense but essentially the probability of you winning is equal
north edge
I have 5 warriors and a ret, with 3 of the warriors and the ret going through heroic fyrakk weekly, the other 2 warriors normal, and i have only seen it drop once
onyx linden
And that’s my point is it mathematically higher chance to get it if you roll thr...
you roll 3 times if you kill it separately in LFR+norm+hc and you roll 3 times if you only kill it in HC with the same odds as the other difficulties
north edge
and itwas for a holy pally
rose fog
I imagine when killing him on heroic first (as an example), it does the LFR, normal and heroic rolls independent of each other. So they do not add up to a single roll. But at the end of the day, the only people who know how it works are Blizzard and Blizzard loves to be vague.
past pivot
But it is how it works. Are you likelier to win while having 1x 10% chance or 10...
Say you have 1% chance in LFR, 2% chance in normal, 3% in HC and 5% in mythic. You can do LFR-normal-HC-mythic for 8% chance. Or you can mythic for an 8% chance. Or HC for a 6% chance and then mythic for 2% chance.
onyx linden
its really not that hard
coarse nest
And it’s more qol to roll once vs 3 times since they’re equal
north edge
chances seem omegalow
young swan
no one is gonna work out the math here (theres probably a proof somewhere anyways) just do what makes u feel better
thorn oriole
I have 5 warriors and a ret, with 3 of the warriors and the ret going through he...
How much Time does it take you
cunning moth
you roll 3 times if you kill it separately in LFR+norm+hc and you roll 3 times i...
Do you though ? From my understanding you roll once with the % combined
north edge
How much Time does it take you
i got through them all yesterday
it did take me a long time to gear them all thorugh keys though
onyx linden
Do you though ? From my understanding you roll once with the % combined
nah, it includes all the rolls, thats the point
north edge
ive probably done 400 keys across the toons
thorn oriole
it did take me a long time to gear them all thorugh keys though
Gg dude
And im lazy to gear my reroll lol
thorn oriole
All brokies
coarse nest
I offered 500k for an avoidance augury
young swan
only 500?
thorn oriole
I offered 500k for an avoidance augury
Oof
coarse nest
Bro literally hit me with the
“lol” leaves group
north edge
i paid 750k for my myth tracked one
thorn oriole
Bro literally hit me with the
“lol” *leaves group*
Lmao
coarse nest
I don’t blame him I was cheaping out*
olive wraith
I have 5 warriors and a ret, with 3 of the warriors and the ret going through he...
This dude is coming for you @meager gyro
onyx linden
https://wago.io/_smqBY9dR
is the wa bricked, or literally everyone goes around with 10?
olive wraith
S4 week 20
red yew
only blizzard can think of this
Blizzard special to put rng upon rng
rotund steppe
i can see that
north edge
my mates keep saying they prefer my 468 ilvl dh in keys with them over my 484 warrior
😦
edgy widget
lfg doesn't give a fuck about legos lol
edgy widget
at all, it's just not that impactful
if it were the difference between Warriors being meta or not, maybe that'd be the case
rotund steppe
not since legion lmao
north edge
i applied for a heroic fyrakk the other day on a alt
and the guy looked through my logs on NORMAL
and asked me why i got a 45 only on Tindral
north edge
once the patch goes late enough
we're gonna have people asking for CE to do the weekly heroic clears
CE ONLY QUICK HEROIC CLEAR 1 SHOT
rotund steppe
nah
fading sky
Wtf
young swan
more often u just see like "ce lead alt run" or some shit
never seen people asking for CE for heroic clears lmfao
past pivot
Anyone in LFG who asks for the leggo wasn't going to invite you anyway so eff 'em.
rotund steppe
in classic i had a guy checking logs for BFD in the 1st week lmao
chilly fractal
i have a similar issue in the arms channel, maybe Archi will check on it later
according to the Raidbots discord Droptimizer measures against your current gear upgraded
so that tracks with what I thought
north edge
Anyone in LFG who asks for the leggo wasn't going to invite you anyway so eff 'e...
yes but when theres 6 people of a similar ilvl
and similar IO profile
but one has a note - Have leggo
thats gonna be the differntiator
onyx linden
according to the Raidbots discord Droptimizer measures against your current gear...
hm, i see
nova atlas
is the wa bricked, or literally everyone goes around with 10? <:keks:93623161085...
im at BLP Count 3 but have eaten like 8 greater embers wtf
onyx linden
im at BLP Count 3 but have eaten like 8 greater embers wtf
that counts only the lessers
rotund steppe
im at BLP Count 3 but have eaten like 8 greater embers wtf
lessers only
past pivot
Now, it'll be funny seeing someone with 1200 IO, 5/8 normal, 4/8 heroic, AOTC, with the leggo applying for a 20 key lol
rotund steppe
Now, it'll be funny seeing someone with 1200 IO, 5/8 normal, 4/8 heroic, AOTC, w...
lmao
nova atlas
oh cool so greater ember still broken lol
onyx linden
not broken
rotund steppe
oh cool so greater ember still broken lol
no?
onyx linden
just cant be tracked with WA
nova atlas
just cant be tracked with WA
oh ok
north edge
blizzard just messing with yall
rotund steppe
we need a pepe tinfoil hat emote
past pivot
oh cool so greater ember still broken lol
How can something be broken when we don't know what it does? If it does anything?
rotund steppe
dense elbow
Anyone got the check 'how many legendary orbs you have nomnom'd' script at hand?
chilly fractal
The WA was linked just a few mins ago
past pivot
Anyone got the check 'how many legendary orbs you have nomnom'd' script at hand?
Yes.
/tar self
/slap
Repeat as needed
carmine mason
are sims calculating leggo on use well? simmed myself with the axe and got a 7k dps increase
north edge
Anyone got the check 'how many legendary orbs you have nomnom'd' script at hand?
no point in tracking it
its always 50%
you either get it or you dont
storm rune
No fun for you
covert blaze
its always 50%
Truuuu
dense elbow
4 50/50 is a lot better than 1 50/50
fading sky
Ye
dense elbow
past pivot
Which is the reason i do lfr normal then hc
which is silly and bad math but it's your time.
dense elbow
We are gamble addicts, every week, we come back for more
past pivot
But it's not 50/50
fading sky
Well it is but it isnt
dense elbow
It is tho, ya get it or you don't. 1 or 0.
carmine mason
thats not how that works silly
dense elbow
carmine mason
honestly it feels like they have too many classes/specs to balance around
fading sky
U gotta remember they learned from evo leggo
quick basin
how many marks of fyralath do you need to put out for full benefit?
dense elbow
I dont think anyone going to argue that it isn't 50/50, you get it or you don't. Some people might argue the 'chances', but it is either or.
past pivot
I have faith that LFR gives less of a chance than heroic or mythic so it can't be 50/50
naive summit
man warrior is so goddam tanky i love it
naive summit
lmaooo
north edge
i run splits on lfr/normal on my 3 warriors
naive summit
the ignore pain change must have fucked it huh?
north edge
the dps looks disgusting low and 2 of the warriors always die to mechanics
fading sky
I mean ngl yea
dense elbow
how many marks of fyralath do you need to put out for full benefit?
It consumes all, but stacks 5 times is the max. If I remember the little ppl say correctly.
north edge
3 chances to roll on loot feels amazing
fading sky
Lol dstance as fury????
past pivot
how many marks of fyralath do you need to put out for full benefit?
Between 0 and 5,000
quick basin
It consumes all, but stacks 5 times is the max. If I remember the little ppl say...
sounds good
naive summit
well for certain mechanics
quick basin
Gotta test it in this key
naive summit
just pop into it for 3 sec and swap back
dense elbow
Would you rather have one 4% chance, or four 1% chances?
tepid shore
What's Fyr'alath?
fading sky
🤣
naive summit
guys the weapon is a 50% drop rate you either get it or you dont xD
covert blaze
But it's not 50/50
Nerdge
past pivot
guys the weapon is a 50% drop rate you either get it or you dont xD
we covered that it's not. Keep up
fading sky
War does all
fading sky
2 chars
dense elbow
50/50 vs 50/50,50/50,50/50,50/50
fading sky
I mean thats how it feels
fair star
Guys
dense elbow
Sup Frosty?
fair star
I see people using odyns fury then avatar
dense elbow
That is what you do, yep yep
fair star
Whats up with that :p
coarse nest
I’d rather get let down once a week instead of 3 times
fair star
Ah i see
young swan
cant get cdr on something thats not on cd
carmine mason
a long*
dense elbow
It is because of the resets ._.
young swan
odyns into avatar gives you along avatar
thats not why
fair star
Ill have to unmacro reck and avatar now :/
And do i use avatar after odyns fury dot fades
carmine mason
28 sec avatar plus 6 stacks for resets tee
young swan
And do i use avatar after odyns fury dot fades
pretty much yeah
fair star
Ok so i use reck odyns and troar
young swan
28 sec avatar plus 6 stacks for resets tee
you waste dancing blades uptime and OF dot on the enemy
fair star
After odyn fades avatar?
young swan
After odyn fades avatar?
correct
fair star
Aight thx
young swan
np
fair star
Alao should i run auto attack speed from OF talent rather than whirlwind stacks,does it make much of a diff
young swan
dancing blades is generally better imo
carmine mason
i never thought about dancing uptime yee
young swan
its a lot more ST
heavy ruin
No leggo for me this week either, just saw a holy pal get it tho, sadge 😦
dense elbow
You get it next week for sure, trust
covert blaze
Use attackspeed, other than on AoE nuke (like Irregria spears)
Igira
deft juniper
dense elbow
Gz ^^
deft juniper
thx^^
deft juniper
like 220k
rotund steppe
imma take a loan once i get it
dense elbow
Only 220k?
dense elbow
The bots are doing gods work apparently
heavy ruin
It was like 800k at first or smth
rotund steppe
thank god for bots lmao
heavy ruin
I mean if we don't get it, it's free
deft juniper
yea glad i didnt get it first week after meeres xD
rotund steppe
fair star
Whats the chance i get it from hc fyrakk if i have 2 greater emblems
covert blaze
I got like 20k gold left
I need someone to recommend me a boosting community
fair star
Do boe runs
north edge
do you have irl $$
covert blaze
do you have irl $$
No
north edge
thers something called the token
fair star
20 euros
covert blaze
i can get u a loan with like 55% weekly interest
Idk @dense elbow will do 51% I think
dense elbow
51% is the magical number
covert blaze
I want to boost not get boosted
tepid shore
Oh
covert blaze
Lmao
tepid shore
Shiiiid i need to find me a community too
My guild doesnt invite me to do boosts.
Says warriors are bad
Called me just a battleshout and a walking rally
edgy widget
sounds like a skill issue tbh
north edge
sounds like a you issue
dense elbow
If I could get into a boosting community, anyone could.
tepid shore
sounds like a skill issue tbh
Truer words never spoken.
tepid shore
Im 3k io idk 
covert blaze
The communities I used to use when I actually played the game got nuked (at least from the public eye)
dense elbow
Same, but then I hit ppl on the forum who were all "warrior can not get into 20s!" ... so I pugged 23s.
We can at least get into 20s
fair star
Wowhead bot post
Hoping its warrior buffs
Gonna check it now
Nvm twas a raiderio post
dense elbow
But why? We are high-mid at worst. We wont see any buffs. At least not before the real losers got some love
fair star
Well i do keys with outlaw rogues and they do 50k more than me
covert blaze
But why? We are high-mid at worst. We wont see any buffs. At least not before th...
Tfw my class is not the best at everything 
wild mural
wild mural
22 throne
covert blaze
It's throne from the background
dense elbow
300k with aug, on throne?
wild mural
yeah
dense elbow
ilvl?
wild mural
484
dense elbow
Ele pumps, from the few I seen. Tho, I prefer enh in my groups
north edge
Tfw my class is not the best at everything <:sadge:820202363359854633>
we need some sort of utility
for a reason to bring us for high keys
fair star
I think i did lik 220k in 23 throne
fair star
But i was like 472 ilvl with no aug
covert blaze
we need some sort of utility
My utility is I buff the bm hunter
dense elbow
DHs do everything better than we do atm
So maybe we should bring DHs and Rogues down a notch, not bring warrior up? So the bottom doesnt get futher behind?
fair star
How much dmg is bshout even
north edge
bm hunters dont get to come to high keys
fair star
Is it 5% or nah
north edge
its Aug/DH/Mage with Pally Tank and Priest healer
wild mural
without aug dammy
north edge
and thats nearly the case for every high key above a 28
maybe swap out the pally tank with Veng DH and priest healer with a dru
but thats generally been the comp, mage/dh/aug
fair star
All the tanks are good atm i feel
dense elbow
Prot Pally and VHD got so much more to control the casts tho.
fair star
I did 25 dht with druid went great (25 is the highest key ive done)
fair star
I think tanks r balanced rn
dense elbow
It ain't bad, for sure. Still, the higher you go - the more you will see the small advantages balloon on the scale.
covert blaze
Anecdotal of course but I haven't seen a single prot warrior even when playing other classes
fair star
I think ive played with a prot war once this season
dense elbow
Was it me? 
north edge
my mate that plays every tank class
proud crown
Was it me? 
covert blaze
Prob that raccoon guy that got banned
fair star
Idk
north edge
cant group them, cant grip them, cant silence
fair star
They have big reflects tho
north edge
ye but the custers still stand in narnia
fiery thorn
you can aoe kick them on pull but ye its not really reliable and long cd
north edge
in the patrol's path
fiery thorn
just have to find los spots
north edge
and arent groupedi n for AOE
dense elbow
If only there was a way to gather casters, some sort of way of hiding from their sight, making them come to you. If only.
fair star
I was abiut to say thay
north edge
If only there was a way to gather casters, some sort of way of hiding from their...
mate you try that in a pug
fair star
north edge
and you're losing aggro
fiery thorn
use pings to communicate with pugs
fair star
If u go above like +22 pugs r good
fiery thorn
ping the los spot before you go to pull
north edge
the DH probably already hunted the ranged caster
dense elbow
Pings work great
fair star
Rarely a pug is bad
north edge
by the time you los'd
dense elbow
I love we creating situations where LoSing wont work, based on 'I dont want this to be a solution damn it!'
proud crown
north edge
I love we creating situations where LoSing wont work, based on 'I dont want this...
time spent los'ing to gather packs as a prot war
is dps time lost compared to a vdh or prot pal
just facetanking and silencing
fair star
Btw guys is belf racial useful
fair star
Didnt top mdi players use it in kings rest to dispell the first mobs r smthin
dense elbow
Not Shadowmeld levels, but sure
fiery thorn
you can purge waycrest shield mobs when the pugs dont kick
its not very useful but you might do more damage looking hot...
fair star
Well thinking of playing prot pala and i have a dwarf and a belf
Wondering which to play
fiery thorn
dwarf is infinitely better
dense elbow
Belf, cause Dwarf aint a Elf
warm crag
like everything
fiery thorn
ye like everything
dense elbow
Razan bleed and so on
fiery thorn
i mean i never play races that look too ass, i barely even want to look at humans tbh i think they need a slight update
north edge
and wipe the group
dense elbow
Heh, I like that tech
fiery thorn
they got the same running animations form vanilla...
fair star
Is di dwarf better or regular
dense elbow
Depends if you want the dwarf 2% crit dam or not
fair star
Well i see top players playing dwarf and di
dense elbow
if ya aint a critlover, then DID is prob best for you
north edge
i mean i never play races that look too ass, i barely even want to look at human...
theres a tmog toy you can buy for 3k gold
useable every 12 hours but you can keep running over it to change models
fiery thorn
yeah i have a bunch of tmog toys but i just wanna look how i want to look
my regular character
without being a midget or furry race
north edge
blizzard just needs to give raicals as a talent then
fair star
Gnomes r bis
north edge
i.e. you can be a nelf but identify as a gnome
fair star
Can dispell entangling if ur OF doesnt line up
north edge
and get escape artist racial
fiery thorn
racials are just dumb in current game design but its w/e
im not a priest so playing the wrong race has never bricked me
north edge
some racials are insane in certain keys though
fair star
Racials are like Top top keys
fair star
Doesnt matter what race u play unless ur going for mdi
warm crag
nah racials start mattering before that level
fading bane
Dwarf racial is too strong
north edge
the racials mater
fair star
I like meld alot
fair star
Human racial in WM is good but u only get to use it once,maybe twice in super high keys
fiery thorn
humans still getting a rep bonus hurts my head how dumb it is too
fair star
Yh i dont like that
covert blaze
Racials shouldn't be a thing anymore
clever belfry
Human racial in WM is good but u only get to use it once,maybe twice in super hi...
Fyi people literally walk into the key with pvp trinket
Its REALLY good in there
fair star
I mean 10% is not alot but if u do alot of rep farming it adds up
warm crag
i dont remember a single instance where human racial actually made a sizeable difference though at least since i played the game
fyrakk was easy enough to push the "get renown 20" requirement into the week after
fair star
Its REALLY good in there
Id have to sacrfiice like 5% dps
clever belfry
no shot u lose 5% from human
fiery thorn
ye 10% if you just look at it like that isnt that crazy, but certain reps that they come out with the 10% is enough to push you to another threshhold like a reset before other races or something like that
fair star
i dont remember a single instance where human racial actually made a sizeable di...
Maybe venari but idk i wasnt the best player in sl
fiery thorn
and its annoying having to even consider that
fair star
ye 10% if you just look at it like that isnt that crazy, but certain reps that t...
People do wayy to much minmaxing for rep
fiery thorn
i dont think rep bonuses worked for korthia either
solemn pebble
I posted raid logs in #449510248579858432 but I'm curious if the parse actually matters or if I should just be aiming to hit my sim'd DPS?
I'm new to the game so parsing is new to me as well and my parse is low. I'm not sure if it's saying I'm bad? My rotation is wrong? Or what but I'm just curious on what I should be doing to get better/do more dmg/do dmg efficiently
fair star
I was suprised to learn they first get renown on an alt
To renown 10
And then do their main to get renown to get higher renown
dense elbow
Racials shouldn't be a thing anymore
Super L take
fair star
Cuz of the +100% rep increse till renoen 10
fiery thorn
look, having to do open world content/rep farms for player power is pure cringe. i want to spend as little time being forced to do open world shit as possible
warm crag
Super L take
not an L take
covert blaze
Super L take
You break my heart
fair star
not an L take
L take
warm crag
dnd figured out that the way you look and the bonuses you get should be decoupled
fair star
I dont wamma lose meld
warm crag
yeah im not advocating to remove racials they shoud ljust be pickable
fair star
Literall dps increse from melding mechanics
warm crag
one offensive and one util thing
dense elbow
... yes, a Gnome should have the same stats as a Minatuar, or Fire elemental... surely.
warm crag
you'd love assa rogue
fair star
look, having to do open world content/rep farms for player power is pure cringe....
U dont anymore
warm crag
... yes, a Gnome should have the same stats as a Minatuar, or Fire elemental... ...
fuck me night elves go invisible on command
suspension of disbelief is a thing
dense elbow
Shadowmeld is perfect
fair star
Also u can buy the same runes on ah but not permanent
fiery thorn
the augment rune isnt a HUGE deal, cuz you can also buy augment runes
covert blaze
I didn't say remove racials btw, you should be able to pick them
wild mural
nearly there 😩
fiery thorn
but the 20 renown heroic crest was absolutely player power
pallid storm
Is there a WA to show my frenzy target on enemy name plates?
oblique trail
fuck me night elves go invisible on command
A gnome warrior is able to scream so loudly that any foe in a nearby vicinity will take physical (and mental) damage from it
fiery thorn
which is cancer
covert blaze
... yes, a Gnome should have the same stats as a Minatuar, or Fire elemental... ...
Fire mage should do 0 damage to fyrakk, you're right
warm crag
no one but meeres should have fyralath!!!
young swan
Fire mage should do 0 damage to fyrakk, you're right
additionally frost should do 1.5x
fair star
Warrior should do 2x
tacit crag
If racials were removed people would be upset but then it would be fine. The idea that people would be mad about meld or dwarf etc. are actually mad at blizzard for making them feel required, not that they love the racial as part of their character.
fair star
I do love rhe racial
fiery thorn
shadowmelding in keys to drop threat = best damage racial 🙂
noble elm
Who is losing threat
olive wraith
Fire mage should do 0 damage to fyrakk, you're right
If you rub a shiny sea rock you get stronger (only every 1.5mins though)
fair star
Even in open world if i pull a pack i can meld and miunt instead of attacking
covert blaze
Sacrificing game quality for RP Is very cringe in current year
tacit crag
I do love rhe racial
Did you pick your character race and enjoy the racial or pick the racial and dealt with the character race.
north edge
i still dont understand how shedowmelding when not targeted
dense elbow
I just want to let something remain of WoW to be WoW RPG, not everything got to be minmax gameplay.
fiery thorn
that ability is definitely coded by an intern
dense elbow
Heh, dont tell blizz tho
fair star
Did you pick your character race and enjoy the racial or pick the racial and dea...
Ok i dont like how nelves look
But i love the racial
dense elbow
Frosty what
fiery thorn
like if he targets you and you wait out the entire fixate debuff
then walk into him, he still eats you
fair star
Frosty what
Hear me out
fiery thorn
you have to wait an extra few seconds
dense elbow
Listening
fiery thorn
???
tacit crag
Ok i dont like how nelves look
The racials at best should be decoupled from the race and at worst just be removed imo.
dense elbow
Out of Skyhold with ya!
fair star
😦
covert blaze
I just want to let something remain of WoW to be WoW RPG, not everything got to ...
You don't min max if you don't want to, why not give the people that care the option?
fair star
Gonna reroll to gnome
fiery thorn
yeah i love my plate slutmogs on nelf
warm crag
The racials at best should be decoupled from the race and at worst just be remov...
this is just a common sense argument tho lol
noble elm
you have to wait an extra few seconds
This has been a thing since the dungeon came out and it has to do with Los. If you touch that little waterfall you will get eaten
dense elbow
You don't min max if you don't want to, why not give the people that care the o...
cause it will end up with more minmax, more taken away to minmax, soon everything will be based around only one thing... minmax.
tacit crag
Cause that's my point. Dwarf racials are sick but I really hate the look of dwarf. Now I gotta pick performance or preference. Feels bad.
fair star
The racials at best should be decoupled from the race and at worst just be remov...
Maybe with the way theyre going at the game and focusing on the endgame
I dont like that they introduced cross faction
warm crag
I dont like that they introduced cross faction
explain yourself immediately
fair star
I mean ik ppl liked it and alliance had alot less players but i liked the horde vs alliance theme
dense elbow
How many frosty L's can we get in one day?
fair star
I like fighting horde
covert blaze
cause it will end up with more minmax, more taken away to minmax, soon everythin...
More options is better than less imo
tacit crag
this is just a common sense argument tho lol
I guess my take about outright removing them if not decoupling is probably controversial is all
I would rather play the game and work around not having them than see them continue in current state.
noble elm
I like fighting horde
Classic wow is live you can still fight horde
dense elbow
More options is better than less imo
I disagree, options matter not the number of them.
The limit in options is a choice.
fair star
Also cross server guilds shouldnt be a thing we have communities dor that
dense elbow
That is fun
young swan
personally i hate having to be human for damage despite liking the aesthetics of troll more
fair star
Classic wow is live you can still fight horde
Id play sod but i wanna play on living flame and its locked
young swan
i also hate than im gonna have to go dwarf for fyrakk for stoneform
fiery thorn
also while we are complaining about game mechanics, WHY DOES PARRY STILL EXIST IN PVE? like with current boss design they make them constantly spin around casting or you have to stand in front for mechanics or whatever other random bullshit, it makes ZERO sense to still exist. they could just lower raid bosses level by 1 like most dungeon bosses (also some dungeon bosses parrying is pure cancer) and it would be such an easy fix
i hate these devs sometimes
young swan
would muck rather just be troll and pick stoneform as a racial
fair star
personally i hate having to be human for damage despite liking the aesthetics of...
Did u meant to say it the other way arohnd
summer quail
i also hate than im gonna have to go dwarf for fyrakk for stoneform
it's ok xan, embrace the best race
young swan
Did u meant to say it the other way arohnd
no, troll is my favourite race
fiery thorn
i love pressing csmash/odyns as the boss spins to cast on someone and my cooldown gets parried
dense elbow
Nelf is just a better troll
fair star
L take
fiery thorn
really cool!
young swan
nelf is cool too
fair star
Nelf is just a better troll
True
young swan
troll is better
dense elbow
Nelf is cool.
fast mural
what kind of troll tho
noble elm
would muck rather just be troll and pick stoneform as a racial
Racial talent trees coming in 10.2.9
dense elbow
Nein!
fair star
Its in the lore
dense elbow
Nelf is better troll!
fair star
That nelves r better trolls
dense elbow
It is lore!
summer quail
troll is better
troll has dicktoes
fair star
Nelves r trolls with magic
dense elbow
hear! hear!
young swan
troll has dicktoes
they are also 8 feet tall and would break u in half
whats ur point
warm crag
let a man enjoy things man
dense elbow
Nelfs are better
young swan
nelfs arent 8 feet tall
fair star
they are also 8 feet tall and would break u in half
They r like 4 foot cuz they bent
Like zandalari trolls r better than trolls
young swan
zandalari has dogshit animations
dense elbow
Zadalari are trolls?
fair star
Yea
dense elbow
fair star
Wait u didnt know
fast mural
hasnt the horde lost like every war
seems like their tallness didnt help
dense elbow
So... trolls are better than trolls?
fair star
Theres literally the allied race called zandalari troll
dense elbow
that no make sense
dense elbow
You said Trolls tho
young swan
darkspear are the best trolls
dense elbow
not darkspear
young swan
its not close
fair star
Kekw
oblique trail
Darkspear never die
young swan
precisely
fair star
I like troll
fair star
It was my first race
dense elbow
tiny demon
young swan
so did varian
fair star
Andy i think
modest condor
no, troll is my favourite race
that's so troll
dense elbow
so did varian
Varian died to the power of Gul'Dan damn you! AND YOU KNOW IT! He was hexing and weakening Varian! KNow YouR LoRE!
... mah king
young swan
he literally got stabbed
dense elbow
Stab did nothing
young swan
and then disenchanted
fair star
He was alive after stabby stab
dense elbow
there is difference
young swan
only got disenchanted due to the stabbing
fair star
Bro troll race has less population than nelves
young swan
voljin got fel sickness
dense elbow
Voljin weak
young swan
know ur lore
young swan
varian died cause he was a baby back bitch
fair star
Know ur lore
fair star
Varian died so he could save everyone
warm crag
unlucky
warm crag
so did i
fair star
Jumoed off a boat
warm crag
your point is
young swan
argus
dense elbow
he didnt die tho
young swan
yes he did
young swan
that is literally the realm of death
dense elbow
He no die tho
fair star
What hapoens when u die in shadowlands
warm crag
thats called dying
dense elbow
I killed Argus tho, I am nelf, Argus died die. So he died by Nelf
Nelf better than troll
summer quail
What hapoens when u die in shadowlands
i think you kinda just stop existing?
left perch
You go to shadowlands classic
dense elbow
The Jailer died on purpose, so he can now control the Shadow-Shadowlands
dense elbow
Nathria was good, but there was a lot of good raids after. Lore was just wack
covert blaze
Zadalari are trolls?
Zandalari trolls might be trolls idk can't say for sure
young swan
i would call sod or sofo "good"
fair star
this raid has been decent
Its nit mechanicly challrnging
young swan
nor voti or aberrus