fury

[calm mantle]

I don't understand simming. My 447 beats my 470. I guess because it gives primary stat.

[low folio]

so i looked up the mats needed for the legendary online. is there any other things to buy besides the materials listed? the special items shown in the list im assuming are quest items that cant be obtained until you get the leggo

[ember apex]

50% prob too high but historically 20% cull is a thing that slayers have had

[spare otter]

So basically we do 0 DPS till 35% got it

[wraith wharf]

well maybe not permament, things always change but its going to be here for all expac, plus they want to make more evergreen features so

[ember apex]

thats a good catch i completely forgot about cull

[spare otter]

Yea personally I think raid bosses should insta die at 20%

[young swan]

ur gonna need to buy some extra of the awakened elemental mats for the attunements

[rich flame]

Has blizzard discussed the actual percentage of each essence or drop rate of legendary?

[young swan]

nope

[wraith wharf]

also that is a really weak arguement against trying to make the talent trees better with more flexability

[ember apex]

it prob wont work on bosses b/c wow bosses and poe bosses are a bit diff. but if it work on like everything else this is a massive dps boost

[flat river]

I said we get to use it above 80% and sudden death procs trigger more often

[wraith wharf]

[flat river]

Anyways this is too much cooking for me

[warm crag]

i'd like detonate dead in wow please

[flat river]

I need to sleep

[ember apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/910714051586297906.webp?size=48&name=Pog&quality=lossless

[spare otter]

So basically: WE'RE SO BACK, IT'S SO OVER, WE'RE SO BACK

[oblique trail]

Detonate dead until you hit the 1 corpse with 5000 quinvigintillion hp

[warm crag]

i dont know how to scale my build anymore

[true sapphire]

No it's not - it takes pressure off of them. They have something that works, they're adding small tweaks to see how they work and player base responds to small tweaks without altering what they already have which, mostly, works.

[warm crag]

i am too stupid at this game

[edgy widget]

pretty sure the Ravager CDR is there largely for Prot, not Fury

but I agree it's a bit of an awkward point, though it is at least a choice node

[oblique trail]

I am simply too incapable of playing it due to technical issues!!!

[thorn oriole]

Hello my fellow Warriors, i Hope you re doing well

[spare otter]

I want raging blow and condemn back

[summer quail]

fast as fuk boi

[edgy widget]

worth pointing out there are also two hero talent trees, so you do have the flexibility of swapping choosing the other

[rich flame]

Bloodbath is a pretty cool tier specific tweak of flavor

[wraith wharf]

we both know we are going to take the one that performs better

[willow cradle]

Thanks dude, you too 😄

[edgy widget]

that said, I don't think there's a big issue with Mountain King being tied to Avatar, since there's just about no chance you'll ever not talent Avatar unless you're a really casual player who really hates the ability

and that's fine, but if you're that casual and that hardnosed about it, you likely don't give a shit about the performative value of the Hero tree either

[spare otter]

Yea it is... Slam ain't though

[slim coral]

Not when your guild is Mickey Mouse

[thorn oriole]

Im 476ilvl and feel like Im largely underperforming - is there a pure Soul to help a noob like me by checking my Logs : https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/archimonde/ysle#metric=bossdps

[slim coral]

[edgy widget]

that's a personal decision - you can play what you like or what's best, but you can't have your cake and eat it too

[covert blaze]

#449510248579858432

[wraith wharf]

oh its not avatar i really have a problem with, its more thunderclap which has been weak for fury since forever and locks us into two talent points (avatar and thunderclap) for the tree to fully work

[edgy widget]

there is absolutely no way you can expect for the thing you personally like more to always perform best at the same time - that's beyond self-centered, it's a flight of fantasy

[spare otter]

True

I agree

[thorn oriole]

My bad sry

[spare otter]

Slayer will have what I like though and be good

I'm sure of it

[covert blaze]

you're good

[edgy widget]

Yes it's been weak for Fury, but that's also why the Hero tree buffs it by 50-85%

[rich flame]

Btw thoughts on noxid macroing reck and avatar? Was checking his stream and logs and found that he's mscroing them together most of the time

[edgy widget]

spoiler: it ain't gonna be weak for Fury with that tree

[true sapphire]

Have you cranked the numbers on it? Everything that buffs WW buffs TC, it's probably not going to be insanely terrible.

[wraith wharf]

thematically in terms of being a mountane thane its on point, in terms of matching fury.. i dont feel like mountain thane matches fury's theme

[edgy widget]

then don't play it if you feel that strongly about it

[spare otter]

We all gonna play what's meta anyway...

[slim coral]

Just play slayer

It’s gonna be op

[edgy widget]

then that's your decision

I think it works, I think it's a creative way of reintroducing an ability that has gone largely ignored by Fury for quite some time - much in the same way that Annihilator reintroduces Slam in a postive way

[fresh knoll]

It's entirely possible they free up a talent point for thunderclap by giving fury defensive stance for free, would match what they did for arms and prot

[eternal sundial]

The lightning shit sounds cool

[edgy widget]

Actually I'm trying to get them to give us Thunder Clap for free

[wraith wharf]

oh right, 3 talent points because of the ravager talent

[edgy widget]

Defensive Stance was made free for Arms to help with the increased talent tax that spec has compared to Fury

[edgy widget]

you're not hardlocked into Ravager, it's a choice node

[wraith wharf]

true

[edgy widget]

also you don't have the first idea yet of what builds are even gonna be good next expansion, especially considering they always make expansion-level changes

[true sapphire]

Being so angry that the sky around me opens and lightning devastates everything around me is thematically pretty good in regards to how I feel about Fury and Rage.

[wraith wharf]

but yeah, give thunder clap for free and i would be fine with the hero talents

[fresh knoll]

Yeah, they have/had to take both slam talents and 1 or two thunderclap ones that fury didn't for the first two seasons. So it made sense

[edgy widget]

Yup

[clever path]

ill give ur mom thunder clap for free

[spare otter]

Idk man it ain't red

[clever path]

jkjk

[wraith wharf]

that's the point i was really trying to make i suppose

[spare otter]

Red lighting would be cool tho

[heavy sparrow]

It's not as bad as i originally thought since you are in recklessness for a long time, you can probably find a way to fit ravager before reck is back on cd, but the question is, do you really want to? And i think the answer is no.

[tulip swallow]

I like empowering thunderclap, the extra little lightning zaps are kinda weird though

[true sapphire]

My heroic leap glyph already leaves a storm around me when I land.

[fresh knoll]

Fury's class tree has been feeling very tight on points for me this season though tbh

[clever path]

i dont get how is raging blow good its just a boring filler

[edgy widget]

Fury is a little tight on talent points right now because of taking Crushing Force, but that's purely a byproduct of the current seasonal build, and it's worth noting that Fury still has no problem taking all the defensive/utility points it wants at the same time

[clever path]

after getting used to this tier i like it

[spare otter]

I like this tier too

[heavy sparrow]

Avatar instead has no cdr, and with mountain thane you have a higher chance to proc bolts during avatar which would give a nice feedback loop

[spare otter]

I also like raging blow

[rich flame]

Actually most of the time using a couple point suboptimal doesn't really matter, the difference seldom matters.
Like TW players in my region often have weird meta that sims suboptimal but didn't stop them from getting high or even #1 io

[wraith wharf]

..kinda want the storm bolt nuke back though

[edgy widget]

TBF TW players usualy get high ranks because of extreme funneling 😆

I actually argued for Thunder Clap to go baseline during Dragonflight development and it didn't happen at the time, but I have a feeling I can get them to do it under the premise of Mountain Thane revolving around a talent

[clever path]

see, archi is a god

[heavy sparrow]

Mountain thane idea seems concentrated around avatar and clap

[wraith wharf]

i feel like that's what i was trying to say and people were arguing against me

[fresh knoll]

That's fair.

[edgy widget]

I had a discussion about that last month, and it is a good Mountain Thane concept, but it basically boiled down to the dual-nature of the ability in MoP not playing very well in all forms of content

They want things that are more straightforward and standalone, but the Thunder Blast concept is more or less the same thing

[spare otter]

I wonder if we're gonna have to constantly swap between slayer and Thane for aoe/st.

2 different playstyles will be pretty cool ig

[edgy widget]

Idk about constantly but it's possible (even probable) one will be better than the other in some form of content

[clever path]

didnt they say they want both to be equal

which is very unrealistic

[edgy widget]

I mean you already have to change talents between ST and AoE anyway, so I don't see what the practical difference will be

[clever path]

tell them to give it glyphs too, so we can make the lighting, fire or whatever

[spare otter]

True

[oak bear]

ill take what can get to get some new animations not from 2009

[clever path]

idk slayer sounds better on st

you slay big bosses

[edgy widget]

most of the current animations are already much newer than that 🤔

[oblique trail]

They'd like to make them close to each other but are aware people will pick what's best for throughput, even by small margins

[tulip swallow]

if they keep it generic enough I can see the balance being really close

[clever path]

you cant mountain thane big bosses

[edgy widget]

truth be told, Blizz is actually pretty good about updating old combat animations

there are a few holdouts

[clever path]

ye i saw that and thats fine as long as one isnt useless

cause that was the issue with covs

you had a useless cov (necrolord)

[oak bear]

our most noticable avatar just turns you dark, recklessness you get gladiator stance above your head

i think they could do way better

[oblique trail]

Well depending on your content one will almost always be better

[edgy widget]

Yeah they can try to make them as close to each other as they want, but there's always going to come down to notable differences

that's not really a problem though

[clever path]

id say fury is pretty flashy

[rich flame]

It's more of a m+ balance concern
For the record specs who need to swap less or even no talents between ST / AOE tend to be better in m+ due to how they balance

[edgy widget]

uhh idk if that's true

[clever path]

arms and fury change the same amount of talents and one is much better at st in m+

[edgy widget]

that seems like a causation =! causality thing to me

[clever path]

i get what you mean but i dont think its necessarily true

[rich flame]

They primarily balance around raid aoe and raid st. When a spec does both with the same spec it's more likely its good in m+. Most of if not all of the time the meta m+ specs can aoe without giving up much ST in m+

[restive peak]

That makes no sense when you’re considering that we barely swap anything and we are NOT S tier

[clever path]

do we really want to be s tier tho

[spare otter]

Nah

I wanna be B tier

[restive peak]

Of course not but his point is still invalid

[tulip swallow]

outside of thunderclap cleaving I don't think it really leans too far one way or the other

[clever path]

we should do it like locks

perma sandbagging

im happy with A, anything S just means a nerf is coming

[edgy widget]

Also not sure this is true

feels very anecdotal

[spare otter]

Doesn't thunderclap cost rage?

What if we have no rage to thunderclap?

It's so over

[tulip swallow]

they're going to make it generate a nominal amount of rage

with the spec

[spare otter]

Oh we're so back

[wraith wharf]

would having a baseline weaker version of meatcleaver be problematic though, like make it do 20% of the abilities damage for two attacks? or would that devalue the talent too much

[tulip swallow]

I don't know if they intend it to be a single target button for fury or not, but it doesn't have to be

[edgy widget]

read the tree

[spare otter]

Sorry reading is hard sometimes

[wraith wharf]

i mean its easy to miss, its a single talent and at the bottom of it

[edgy widget]

coincidentally the same average amount Whirlwind generates... almost like they planned it!

[edgy widget]

All I heard was this
#fury message

[spare otter]

Well tbf

I don't know what half the talents do

[wraith wharf]

we smash, we no smart

[spare otter]

I just play

[runic pine]

Incoming fury running rend and blood and thunder

[edgy widget]

fuck no

you do not want Rend to become a button Fury has to press

trust me

[spare otter]

If fury becomes a dot class

I'd dip

[edgy widget]

now if Slayer adds some passive shit like Raging Blow crits inflict Rend, fine, whatever idc

but trust me - we already went through this during Dragonflight beta - you don't wanna juggle Rend as Fury alongside everything else

[oak bear]

im confused why call it mountain thane instead of valajar which is what magni is based on. its thunder warrior magic and fits every race instead just dwarf https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Valarjar

[edgy widget]

it actually plays hell on the rage & enrage economy

[edgy widget]

Magni is not a Valarjar, he's not even remotely aligned with the Vyrkul or Odyn

[runic pine]

Wouldn’t be that bad if we have thunderclap and it generates rage no?

[wraith wharf]

wonder if thunderblast will make bloodthirst usable again or if they will buff its damage

[runic pine]

That being said I don’t really want rend on fury

[oak bear]

i didnt say he is one exactly but thats what its based on. its even one of the talents in the tree

[restive peak]

If both specs become a bleed spec why the fuck do we have 2 specs

[edgy widget]

if they just wanna make it passively apply Rend? Sure, again that's analogous to what I just said about Raging Blow

[restive peak]

That would be the main reason I would be upset about rend for fury as an actual button

[runic pine]

Well that’s what blood and thunder does

[edgy widget]

but the last thing Fury needs is an extra button

[runic pine]

Is passively applies it

[edgy widget]

no it doesn't

[runic pine]

Is it different for fury?

[wraith wharf]

if you make fury a bleed build just give it back siegebreaker and make it arms 2.0 again

[edgy widget]

it doesn't apply it at all for Fury cause Fury doesn't have Rend!

[sullen basin]

blood and thunder just makes it do more damage and cost more

[restive peak]

Fury lacks rend as an option lol

[runic pine]

Oh

[restive peak]

Can’t have a talent give what we don’t have

[sullen basin]

theres no blood just thunder

[edgy widget]

But yeah, ask yourself how is Blood & Thunder gonna work if TC is a generator

[wraith wharf]

10% more damage

[runic pine]

That moment when you don’t pay enough attention to the talent tree

[edgy widget]

not saying they can't do some changes to make it work

[runic pine]

^^literally me

[edgy widget]

but they'd have to actually make some changes

[clever path]

[wraith wharf]

that talent kinda needs a rework for fury, cause 10% damage or increased range are both weak

[spare otter]

Hopefully we get to see slayer talents soon

[edgy widget]

Again, I'm completely ok if they wanna make some changes so that Rend applies passively - I think it's superfluous, but what do I care about another source of damage?

[spare otter]

I'm excited about that one

[edgy widget]

But I don't want Rend as an extra button, whether it generates rage or not

and definitely not if it consumes rage

[runic pine]

I’m more annoyed that they basically said “nah get fuckt you’re not getting blademaster”

[wraith wharf]

they could make it apply cold steel, hot blood

[sullen basin]

just make thunderclap apply cshb

[wraith wharf]

still weak but its something

[edgy widget]

Fury already has enough buttons, and enough rotational maintenance between Enrage, Reckless Abandon, CSHB, and things like Furious Bloodthirst

it doesn't need to manually reapply a DoT every 12s too

[wraith wharf]

listen, they just really want us to get carpel tunnel

[sullen basin]

make whirlwind also cast thunderclap too

[wraith wharf]

i mean thunderclap will replace whirlwind in the rotation in the mountain thane tree

[spare otter]

I think we need a few more buttons

So people can stop hating on us around how easy fury is

[wraith wharf]

..wonder if they will make storm of swords tried to thunderclap too hmm

[spare otter]

Maybe add inertia

Leap into charge

Big dmg

[acoustic furnace]

imagine actually caring what people think about your class

[wraith wharf]

"whirlwind now spins your camera around"

[acoustic furnace]

just have fun and fuck 'em

[wraith wharf]

same with bladestorm

[spare otter]

Yea this is good

[edgy widget]

doubtful, however, TC doesn't actually replace WW; you can still use both and there's even a good reason for Annihilator builds to have both as independent fillers

[wraith wharf]

fair

[edgy widget]

consider the current build if we had an extra button to use as a filler (not that I like additional button tax, especially after just ranting about it WRT Rend, but it would have a practical use in solving a current, if minor, problem)

[fresh knoll]

empty gcds feels insanely awkward

[edgy widget]

they do, but its at least few and far between

[wraith wharf]

..bring back heroic strike (im kidding please dont kill me)

[fresh knoll]

just super noticeable when it does happen, lol

[spare otter]

Use legendary active when that happens 👍

[tulip swallow]

they could rename slam to heroic strike

🙂

[fresh knoll]

when I get it 8 weeks from now, lmao

[spare otter]

Well

Just win the 50/50

[astral path]

I love odyns fury and everything

But like it’s not legion odyns

Gov mee back bladestorm

[wraith wharf]

that reminded me to go kill some legion rares

[astral path]

Bladestorm supremacy

[arctic salmon]

legion execute too

[spare otter]

OF>bladestorm

[astral path]

Or buff odyns to insane levels 🙏

Bladestorm has to be my fav ability in the game

[wraith wharf]

i mean onlyfans is pretty nice but can cost a lot of money

[spare otter]

Do some wow boosts

And make money

[astral path]

How do you do m+ boosting for gold?

Gotta get in on this

[wraith wharf]

i mean cheesing mechanics with bladestorm was fun

[astral path]

Real

[clever path]

can we get TC off the GCD Archi?

[wraith wharf]

that's what i miss about it

[spare otter]

Bladestorm sucks man

[astral path]

Bladestorm was the biggest middle finger to mechs

[spare otter]

Most basic ability

Can't press buttons while bladestorming

[astral path]

Most fun ability you mean

[wraith wharf]

i mean spell reflecting mechanics is fun

[edgy widget]

no

[clever path]

[wraith wharf]

imagine mountain thane for arms with this current tier set bonus though

[spare otter]

Sire denathrius rezzed for TWW?

[tulip swallow]

the current arms tier is sick I wish they would make it a talent

[clever path]

i wish they made sd count towards am and tom

it would unironically make arms so much better

both damage wise and how it plays

[edgy widget]

they might 🙃

[wraith wharf]

do you.. know things?

[rain heart]

Arms feels really good to play right now, but just doesn't do as well in mythic plus as fury

[edgy widget]

damage wise, yes - playstyle wise... not really?

[clever path]

i mean it would feel better

knowing it counts towards tom and am

[astral path]

I’ve never been able to get behind arms rotations and cds

Fury has always been more fluid and fun to play for me

[wraith wharf]

fire warrior

heh

[clever path]

i mean

fury outlaw fire kinda similar

i guess

in a way

[clever path]

its just

sd on cd ms on cd op on cd slam

sd>ms>op>slam

ww if you are in cs

you want 2 wws in a single cs window

in exe phase you just exe exe exe/op ms if you have a shit ton of haste you can exe exe ms i think

[edgy widget]

Arms is better now, it was kinda balls last season

[clever path]

exe exe exe if you are giga capping on rage op if you want to save rage for next rotation of executes

what is good overall damage for let's say a 24 EB?

[edgy widget]

rotation wise, juggling three CD spenders was just stupid

[edgy widget]

timing the key

[clever path]

dumb question imo

depends on way too many things

factors

[tulip swallow]

everbloom damage is 100% fake anyway

[clever path]

how the tank pulls, did u ever die, what build

etc

when not in pugs i do a lot more generally cause i plan my cds

in pugs i just send

on every single pack

cba thinking

[wraith wharf]

if you timed it you did enough damage, if you didnt time it you didnt do enough damage

[rain heart]

Also things like missing procs for hitting CC can impact damage but save the group, or going def stance to help out a struggling healer. Hard to judge on just damage

[rigid stirrup]

True and based answer

[clever path]

why would u dstance in a 24 tho

tbf it is eb

bolstering moment

[rigid stirrup]

honestly i'd be more worried about timing shockwave/cc's

[rain heart]

Final boss rise for example I Dstance for movement phase to help out the healer

[odd stone]

I noticed today that OF and the Avatar OF stacks of bloodthirst don’t overwrite, so is the goal to not clip the OF bleed but use avatar right as OF bleed ends? Or does it not matter and I can reck>charge>rampage>spear>avatar

[clever path]

idk i ava when of's ava falls off

[warm crag]

you're mainly avoiding the of clip ye

[olive wraith]

And DB if you’re running it

Well. Less overlap cause you will lose some time

[clever path]

you are not avoiding db clip you are avoiding of clip

you will lose db uptime

[slim coral]

Is there a good blademaster mog?

I wanna look like one so bad

[wraith wharf]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=210869/blademasters-azure-stones

i believe its on the trading post right now

[slim coral]

yeah I have the neck

but how would I go about it mog wise

[wraith wharf]

that + the blademasters sword, throw on a back piece for a banner

[clever path]

those look like butt beads

[wraith wharf]

maybe some pants, maybe some boots

and yer done

[slim coral]

what is the weapon name?

[wraith wharf]

theres several that were from the trading post [Blademaster's Thundering Greatsword], [Loyal Blademaster's Greatsword], [Triumphant Blademaster's Greatsword]

though there are several other swords that can fit for it if you dont have the tendies for the weapon

https://www.wowhead.com/item=169761/notorious-aspirants-greatsword
https://www.wowhead.com/item=124388/fel-burning-blade

i would ask in #transmog if you really want more help though

[young swan]

only for leather

very aids

[opaque bolt]

SD procs is high prio? over bb?

[edgy widget]

no chest, optionally one or no shoulder, use one of those blades and the beads thing being sold in the trading post

you could make one easily

[wraith wharf]

Visage of Ursol is decent for the helmet

though if your orc Cowl of the Wolf Ancient works

[inland flame]

Wish that Maghar were taller and skinnier like Samuro to give Orcs some options or sumn

[clever path]

i like the warrior class hall weapons the best

not alot of people have them and you cant just buy them

[inland flame]

My daily driver mog is the DK Nighthold tier with 2x the blue Stromkar PvP skin

[wraith wharf]

remember when paladins and DKs got some new weapon transmogs from the class hall and we got nothing

[rotund steppe]

i want a blademaster title

[clever path]

where does blademaster come from

i have battlelord

[harsh bough]

In 2 target sim, is rampage > bloodbath? i cannot understand. it's different from logs
why the sim do the rampage while bloodbath is active?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oARDo7swTagMaBX9drABdc

[wraith wharf]

dont think blademaster is an actual ti.. ti.. i got blocked last time i tpyed that word, name thingy yet

[heavy sparrow]

Windwalker warrior

[warm crag]

ye the aoe apl just sends rampage whenever that doesnt seem right

[wraith wharf]

the reason we aren't getting blademaster is cause they didnt want to give us stealth or mirror image

[heavy sparrow]

Pretty much

[spark maple]

Idk about yall but mountain thane warrior feels like its gonna be top dps next expansion

[past pivot]

lol copium much

[wanton mirage]

the aoe sim is not updated

[harsh bough]

thanx bro

[wraith wharf]

it'll be nerfed 1 week before release, just like we always are

[heavy sparrow]

It's way too early to tell anything abour performance, but of all the trees shown, thane is looking the coolest

At least many of it's talents actually DO SOMETHING

[wraith wharf]

we need TC for free though, my real main complaint

[heavy sparrow]

More rage, cdr on ravager, which is weird, but better than just do slightly more damage with "insert ability"

Seriously though, the cdr should be moved from rav to avatar

[wanton mirage]

use this in custom apl for aoe sim

[heavy sparrow]

THat's my first bit of feedback

[wraith wharf]

or just make it empower ravager and give it a cool new animation with LIGHTNING

[heavy sparrow]

It also synergized well with the other mountain thane abilities

Yea, that's also pretty nice

Lightning ravager with an extra effect

Over the normal rav

[wraith wharf]

you throw out.. BOTH weapons!

[heavy sparrow]

Hhm

More rage, more powah

[clever path]

whats cool tho

is we are getting some cool utility

safeguard is back

slightly nerfed but its back

[wraith wharf]

#bring back vigilance

the warrior stares at you, you take 30% reduced damage

[past pivot]

Eff that. Moar damage. Not babysitting

[tulip swallow]

I would appreciate a choice node that removes the interception part of intervene

[clever path]

they should make it intervene spells as well

so you can intervene spell reflect

[tulip swallow]

it's like exclusively there for pvp and making you feel like an absolute dumbass when you intervene the tank

The only time I remember it having any pve utility was the bleed boss in spires of ascension

[wraith wharf]

3 times my armor right now would be about 37,000 so about 4-5% of their HP for a non tank.. kinda.. alright i guess

[tulip swallow]

macro a shield swap into your intervene

🧠

[wraith wharf]

and waste 2 GCDs

[clever path]

i mean its not set in stone

[wraith wharf]

thats fair

[clever path]

4-5% isnt bad at all

[wraith wharf]

that node requires you to take intervene or stormbolt though, which for raid fights we don't really take either so

weird

[past pivot]

We don't know what Slayer will bring

[clever path]

i mean we are not taking intervene cause we dont have the points and its not "necessary"

i loved intervene in sl

you had so much more mobility

in rraid

[wraith wharf]

indeed

[clever path]

if they freed some points

intervene would def be on the list

its slightly less annoying to play without intervene than without bounding stride

which says enough

[wraith wharf]

i miss intervene but can't really justify spending a talent point on it

[analog viper]

I have a question and I'm wondering where I can go for research. So I'm posting it here. I got Fyrakks one handed axe on my warrior and I'm curious about SMF. I know it might be meme worthy but are there builds that utilize this weapon? 🤔 (not just the SMF nodes)

[clever path]

2h + gholak in the offhand is possible

i ran that until i got a better 2h for my offhand

it was 476 and it was shitting on 447 in the offhand

like 4k dps or something

[analog viper]

Damn.

I was hoping SMF mightve been something worthwhile.

[olive wraith]

If you want to go smf it’s a damage loss. But take 1 point out of ss and 1 out of vc for the smf talents

[clever path]

dude getting an actual nice gaming chair is life changing

[restive peak]

Ye fr

[clever path]

how do i get rid of the circle on my screen while dragon riding

[clever path]

i mean

its a big damage loss

considering the fact that you also have to drop talents

[young swan]

its not a big damage loss

its like 2%

[odd stone]

I get the extra large chairs from office max that are designed for very large people

My gaming throne

[young swan]

some shit like that

[clever path]

only 2%?

[young swan]

maybe 5%

[clever path]

that means the talents are good then

cause baseline its a lot worse iirc

5%doesnt cross the gap

close*

2h weapon dps and stat budget is just a lot bigger

[dense elbow]

You can sim and see, I do remember we played around with sims early and it was around a -4% to +2% vs TG options. So just run a few sims, see if you can't make it work for your character.

That 1hander is quite good after all

[odd stone]

Shit I need to try this, 476 1h vs 463 2h in my oh slot

[past pivot]

The 2hander likely to be better. It’s when there is a big ilvl gap.

[odd stone]

Gholak comes out, but trivial

[clever path]

i wouldnt call 800 trivial but at that ilvl it is

[odd stone]

attack speed? Maybe it’s the extra annihalator rage? I dunno

[meager gyro]

just stay in fury spec and you'll never worry about getting 2 handers that are equal ilvl and sim better

[clever path]

not really

the weapon dps difference is small

and offhand weapon dps is a lot less important than mainhand dps

and the proc is quite powerful

its like 2% or something

[meager gyro]

sim this

[odd stone]

Big drop

[slim coral]

Don’t take offense to this but why are you guys wasting energy in simming a one handed weapon

[odd stone]

It’s just something that came up, we’re not serious, just playing

[clever path]

they should let us equip a shield in the offhand

[odd stone]

You don’t have to play if you don’t want to

[mossy fox]

many gaming chairs suck

get a good office chair

[odd stone]

^ facts

[fringe vale]

surprisingly amazonbasic chairs are rlly good and cheap

[mossy fox]

my raidbots subscription lets me sim office chairs

[odd stone]

Hahahaha

[snow pasture]

did they tune warriors last night or ami just having a bad day my dps is not good today

[fringe vale]

they ahvent touched warriors as far as i know

they should

they have not

[snow pasture]

okay maybe im just having a bad day

[modest condor]

buff war nerf rogue

[dawn moon]

Robot > Chair > Brain

[snow pasture]

my fury has been pumping latley in pve

[clever path]

ye until you are in a group with a dh who has both arms

[odd stone]

Warriors like 100k dps behind rogues on gnarlroot, but zugzug is king

[clever path]

irrelevant boss

[fringe vale]

but its kinda ass tbh even with lego and full bis u dont come close to the input dmg of a full bis dh or rogue

and we are talking classes with a legendary wep

[clever path]

i mean

time strike

does as much as our leggo

lmao

[fringe vale]

it shouldnt be like that tbf

[clever path]

its actually hilarious

[fringe vale]

and im nor talking only warriors

[clever path]

ret in shambles

dks in shambles

[fringe vale]

ret and dk are also in the bucket with wars

[clever path]

warrs in shambles

arms doesnt exist

according to blizzard

[snow pasture]

not a big arms person so not fussed on them just make fury pump XD

[fringe vale]

i remember the last time war was good was back in bfa right?

[clever path]

fury is decent

[fringe vale]

when arms was pumping

[clever path]

last patch

[fringe vale]

with corruptions

[clever path]

last patch until aug shenanigans

[fringe vale]

oh yeah true

[clever path]

i was consistently top boss dmg as arms

[fringe vale]

but it want s tier still

[clever path]

on echo i was gapping everyone

[fringe vale]

it was decent

not op

[clever path]

9.1 arms was op

s tier spec

fury was f tier

[sinful orbit]

Arms was alweys decent

[clever path]

arms has been the better raid spec for quite some time now

9.0 both were dogshit

but both had a use case

one on hunstman (irrelevant boss)

fury on slg

[sinful orbit]

War in general is very dependent on the player

[clever path]

arms on denathrius if you are revvez

[vague sand]

im trying to get more health on the class tree in ST. What nodes can be changed around?

[clever path]

remove one point from cruel strikes

put it into endurance training

thats it

[vague sand]

thanks

wait but then I lose spear

I guess there's just no way

[clever path]

you could theoretically drop 1 wild strikes but at that point its too much dps lost

i assume youre talking about raid

[vague sand]

yeah that's what I thought

yep

[clever path]

in raid you really dont need the extra hp

our effective hp is ridiculous anyway

much higher than every other class minus ret

[vague sand]

gotcha, I thought it was due to endurance training thats why I asked

thanks!

[clever path]

np

[wraith wharf]

i use a big club chair, it really is the best chair.

[heavy sparrow]

Improving ashes also increases the haste debuff

wtf blizzard>?

[mossy fox]

why not

if bonus is bigger, then downside should also be bigger

[clever path]

ihate that trinket

[mossy fox]

be glad we dont really use it then

[clever path]

i am

[wraith wharf]

sometimes we have to take what RNGesus gives us

[restive peak]

@young swan 30% we gettin somewhere bruh!

@mossy fox how far did you guys get today

[mossy fox]

p3 once

cant remember how far, died shortly after breaking shield i think

[restive peak]

Noice

[mossy fox]

41%

[restive peak]

Nice

We got our 1st 32% just now

Feelsgoodman

[narrow narwhal]

i have ashes and the mushroom trinket from everbloom. i'm in pain

[rotund steppe]

yall on fyrra

and me on igira ;_;

[young swan]

hell yeah

[ancient idol]

I know there is a lot of time before next xpac, but I feel like atm Mountain Thane is a huge miss for Fury War... I don't see how Thunder Clap fits in our rotation, but it's supposed to be a huge part of that Hero talent tree. What's the popular thought on this?

[modest condor]

it fits where whirlwind is currently

[wraith wharf]

its going to replace whirlwind

and you will use it in aoe, or when you get the proc for it on single target from first glance

[brittle crow]

yoooo

thunderclap fury real????

REAL

[ancient idol]

But whirlwind makes our single target abilities cleave. Is Thunderclap gonna do that too?

[brittle crow]

yes

[modest condor]

yes

[wraith wharf]

..if you read the talents, yes

[modest condor]

that's why it takes the place of whirlwind

[brittle crow]

im hyped af

i want thunderclap fury NOW

[ancient idol]

ahhh, mustve missed that part

[wraith wharf]

remember, you will get all the hero talents in the given hero choice

[sly cloud]

Hi. what are your top trinkets for Fury M+ build? thanks.

[mossy fox]

wait mountain thane is perfect for @oblique trail's build

[ancient idol]

hopefully they make Thunderclap built in

instead of a talent node

[wraith wharf]

most people agree with that take

[compact knot]

i think it is right

[young swan]

might of the ocean and augury

[compact knot]

you whirlwind and it tclaps

[brittle crow]

https://i.imgur.com/uA4bXJy.png

huh????

those are good af

[compact knot]

first one is not that good

[modest condor]

first one seems kinda niche

[compact knot]

second one is very good

[hybrid raft]

second one is clearly superior than th other

[brittle crow]

first one is personal rallying cry

i could see it being good

[wraith wharf]

no, they will be different skills still, you will just use thunderclap over whirlwind i believe

[young swan]

this is correct

[wraith wharf]

at least CURRENTLY, things may change

[young swan]

based on how it reads, you just wouldnt press ww anymore

[wraith wharf]

yeah

[young swan]

there are situations where u could still press ww tho

[wraith wharf]

well unless you are talented into storm of swords

[sly cloud]

i dont have augury yet. choices are might, rezan, signet, mirror, branch, ashes and sandglass

[red yew]

I think first one looks really good assuming it gives you that HP temporarily like rally does. Because anytime you're pressing IV/Victory Rush you want that extra HP.

[modest condor]

i mean i assume it does

[young swan]

prob might + sandglass assuming they're all equal ilvl

[modest condor]

it's just a bit weird how they take an ability you want to use to heal yourself up after damage and make it an ability you want to use before potential 1shots

[compact knot]

might sandglass

[young swan]

it would only be really good if its small hit followed by big hit or big hit followed by small hit

[modest condor]

i get that the max hp is also useful after you use the heal

but it's more useful to prevent 1shots

[red yew]

That's fair, I think I just view it as a bonus when you would have already used IV anyway

[young swan]

yeah pretty much what it is

there are cases where its gonna be sick tho

[brittle crow]

10% max hp means ur heal heals for more too so you're less squishy after a raid buster

[wraith wharf]

like when its multiple aoe situation

[brittle crow]

less chance you'll bleed out immediately after

[modest condor]

yeah but you don't often take so much damage that you would need the extra hp on top

[compact knot]

that 4% adds up ALOT

[modest condor]

IV is already a ridiculously strong heal for a dps spec

[wraith wharf]

i mean wait till you see the node about storm bolt / intervene (both talents we don't really take during a raid boss fight)

[sly cloud]

and this is for M+ aoe yeah?

[compact knot]

yeah

[modest condor]

yeah that feels kinda filler in raid but honestly intervene giving a shield in m+ is super strong

[restive peak]

25.4 now!! You guys raidin tn?

[young swan]

nah just 3 days

tues, wed, sun

[modest condor]

like how often do i have to watch my priest or evoker get 1shot while im still chilling at 30% hp

[brittle crow]

its fun
ive had to tell my healers to stop spot healing me instead of other people because i can take it, trust

dont let others die ill handle myself

[modest condor]

tbf a lot of healing is just "smart" heals

[restive peak]

Ah true

[wraith wharf]

hopefully the 5% hp shield helps them live

[restive peak]

I'm prayin we somehow kill tn but the last 25% is a fuckin banger

[wraith wharf]

also since this build seems to make us want to use bloodthirst for procs.. i hope they up its damage

[compact knot]

i like the talent that adds 2 bloodthirsts that (i think) are made off gcd

[modest condor]

no it just makes it not have a cooldown

[compact knot]

it just wont proc often

ah

it would be cool though if it did that

[wraith wharf]

don't expect anything but actual CDs to ever be off the GCD

[compact knot]

i mean its a proc that adds a little more skill to a already kinda brainless spec

but w/e

wont even proc much anyways lul

[wraith wharf]

i just mean bloodthirsts damage is so weak that using if just for proc chances feels meh

[compact knot]

which is why i liked the idea of it being off gcd

its damage is ass

[wraith wharf]

it would just be macroed into abilities and forgotten about

so why not just tie it into other abilities at that point

[modest condor]

im sure all the people that complained about fury being too fast would love an extra off gcd ability

[compact knot]

go play a caster then

kek

[brittle crow]

i love off gcd abilities..

[wraith wharf]

also funny enough when i was running a dungeon last night at one point had enough haste to where bloodthirst didnt have a CD anyway

[compact knot]

running a DHT 20 with only tanks

op strat

[modest condor]

was it on the last boss in fall?

[wraith wharf]

i think it was morchie, hero + PI, plus im using that on use haste trinket. Was just a 0 mythic for transmog reasons.

[modest condor]

you need 300% haste to hit 1 gcd bloodthirst, i dont think you can do that on a boss that doesnt give you a huge haste steroid

[wraith wharf]

this is without PI or hero and just my own buffs + spores trinket, it might of not been 100% no CD but it was close enough it confused me for a couple of seconds

there was also an aug evoker present if they do anything haste wise

[valid moon]

Thoughts on Might of the Ocean?

[light lantern]

For the rotation after we use OF the first time, why do we only use bloodbath twice instead of three times before Avatar?

[wraith wharf]

the buff will stack up to 6 times so you arent losing out

[valid moon]

By the time you do the 2nd the debuff on the enemy already dropped, you use Avatar to buff the next BB and keep the debuff up

[wraith wharf]

its just waiting for the OF bleed to finish so it doesnt overwrite

[valid moon]

Plus it stacks, it will get your next BB stronger

[young swan]

good in m+

[light lantern]

Gotcha ty

[ruby current]

whats the best play when the tanks pull a boss 30 feet at the start of a pull and charge pulls your ass out of range

do you just not charge or charge 1s later

[clever path]

do we get a catalyst charge tomorrow?

[past pivot]

Spark. Catalyst is week after

[restive peak]

Is wrecking throw affected by enrage bruh

I dont even know

[young swan]

yeah

should be

[restive peak]

Thought so kk

[valid moon]

Most doing allied with patch or two patches?

[compact knot]

i think allied with patch is better

[valid moon]

Will sim but want to hear perspective

[compact knot]

will scale better with ilvl and isnt far behind double patch on single target, on mythic, alot of fights are not pure single target which means on alot of fights allied is probably better

[valid moon]

Ty mate

[spark tree]

anyone got a good spell reflect WA?

[slow haven]

would rezan eye trinket vs porcelain crab trinket be better for tyrannical week?

[mental hound]

https://i.imgur.com/CRiMLz3.png is there a reason why wcl has charge and rampage showing twice? or are they pressing it twice in a row

[ionic dirge]

Playing warrior is so much pain, if you dont have any team and you are trying to play as pug warrior literally everyone will just ignore you and take instead "meta picks"...

I hate high keys :/ No utility for warriors

[hallow sphinx]

[slow haven]

I feel ya. But I still pug with positive attitude that I'm doing something good. 🥲

[past pivot]

Next week is spiteful tyr so run signet might.

[slow haven]

Ty!

[halcyon tundra]

very new to fury warrior, is there any good guide to check out to learn how to play it before i have my 2 set... just reached 700

[modest condor]

charge shows twice because cast and impact, rampage shows twice because bug

[halcyon tundra]

70*

[modest condor]

wowhead is a good start

[mental hound]

goat, ty

[modest condor]

also if you look really closely you can see it's actually 3 rampages

[mental hound]

is it troll to macro reck+avatar? i see some ppl doing that

[modest condor]

yes

[mental hound]

avatar+tr is fine tho or nah

[modest condor]

idk what tf is

oh

still no

[mental hound]

mis type my b

word

ight ill stop doin that then

[modest condor]

on pull you only cast avatar like 4 seconds later

[clever path]

avatars like the last thing you press

[hallow sphinx]

@young swan

[frank dawn]

Augury dropped. Rolled a 1

[spare otter]

Fuck man... I been doing the occasional double charge pull

I'm never trusting logs again

[sinful spoke]

Rolled a 87 lost to a 91

Its ok cause i get axe and augury tomorrow

[snow edge]

Rolled 100, ez money

[frank dawn]

yeah augury will be in my vault, for sure

[sinful spoke]

Yeah mine too

[spiral oasis]

yeah mine too

[sinful spoke]

Real

[slim coral]

Is slayer simming higher for anyone else or is moutain thaine

[hallow sphinx]

slayer

since i slay @young swan daily

[slim coral]

[keen kindle]

did they actually show slayer?

I thought it was just thane?

[slim coral]

nope

[keen kindle]

Tbh I'm hoping slayer is exe focused

[sullen tendon]

the excuse they gave for not bringing back gladiator was stupid

[keen kindle]

Tbh I don't think glad is something warrior actually needs

[sullen tendon]

i just want a tank that can tians grip two hand + shield

[keen kindle]

I truthfully believe that blizz should focus on the major issues of each spec first and design trees not just to combat them but also that feel good to play

Mountian thane seems weird

[sullen tendon]

furys main issue is that its gotten no changes for 6 years

[keen kindle]

I disagree there lmao

[sullen tendon]

remove our limiter

no more target cap

[keen kindle]

That I do agree with

Or just make WW work like crashing storms

[hallow sphinx]

yo eddy spittin

[slim coral]

just make ww uncapped

also make ww built in cleave

no need to press the button

all abilities just cleave

[sullen tendon]

i enjoy abilities that cause other abilities to go off

like old cleave

you casted cleave andthen it would activate at the same time as your next ability

i like new thudnerclap also cause of that

causes rend to apply

[keen kindle]

Is it bad that I just find fury bland atm?

[arctic salmon]

suffered in a 41 death 17 rise with a 442 ret, but i was rewarded with a hero track gorehowl rejoice

[sullen tendon]

i think ill enjoy mountain thane more if it was a chain lightning that goes off instead of a lightning bolt

chain lightning is just a cooler ability

[gilded pawn]

fury is less bland now than it is in 10.1

[keen kindle]

I mean I do agree

But I just don't find anything in fury's kit to be actually exciting.

[sullen tendon]

you dont like bursting for 1.2 mil on trash packs?

[gilded pawn]

thats you

[keen kindle]

I mean sure, that's fun

[gilded pawn]

participating as arms for 2/3rd of the fight is optional

all the shit that people to do optimize damage pre 35 is so meaningless

[sullen tendon]

just scream more and reck procs will go off

[wanton mirage]

Guys, should I go for Mountain thane or Slayer? I am trying to time a mythic +11 keys so I need to be best.

[keen kindle]

😹

[gilded pawn]

roar in tom vs cs, fitting 2 ww in cs windows, slam vs OP in cs, etc

those are literally all 1% differences

[keen kindle]

I mean I like arms for more then just execute lol

But ig I'm in like 1% of people that do

[gilded pawn]

cosmetic rage bar

[lavish solar]

is the fury pvp talent build on wowhead up to date? I got myself to 438 ilvl and wanna try fury in bgs 😄

[pale haven]

For dreamcrafts and embellishments. Can i use 2x Shadowflame (on waist and feet) and also Wristguards of Companionship?

or does Wristguards of Companionship count as one?

[verbal kayak]

it counts as one

[abstract flower]

I got Might of the Ocean, what should my 2nd trinket that I go for be? crab?

[pale haven]

ok, is there any way to get my spark back if i already made Wristguards of Companionship? or recraft it into a different piece?

[unreal onyx]

Augury if possible

[abstract flower]

yeah I go for it but thats only like once a week yk

[unreal onyx]

Twice

On kill + vault

[abstract flower]

ig if you want a normie one

Oh ya tru tru

[unreal onyx]

Crab is also good

[summer quail]

Normie one is still really good

[unreal onyx]

I use normie one

Hc is „only“ a 750dps increase

And myth 1.8k

[summer quail]

Hc was about 1k ahead for me

[storm rune]

I finally managed to replace my signet with a might this week, feels good

and by finally I mean I've ran tott 4 times

[timid notch]

if my gametime in wow finished before weekly reset and i fill time after 3 weeks , do i still find my weekly chest items ? or is it gone because i didn't log for two weeks

[summer quail]

Still there

[rain ginkgo]

Good morning everyone ,
i took a look at every top dmg fury warrior on warcraft logs and i saw they all share some kind of " Same " stats which is 20-24% crit / 38-42% haste / 50%+ Mastery / 15% vers
is that right to aim for these stats ?

[low folio]

that doesnt even seem possible, im 483 and i cant see a way to have all those stats before runes get applied

[somber elk]

dont aim any stat weights

[shrewd lintel]

Armory shows I have c-24 h-37 m-51 v-17 . But I remember that I have 30 haste and 19 versa

idk that stat shit is kinda not accurate I guess

So don’t bother with it

[snow edge]

Just sim your individual set-up; aiming for pre-determined stat weights ain't a good idea at all

[low folio]

if you would rather look at someone elses stats out of pure laziness, critcake always puts his own stats at the start of his newest dungeon videos. it would give a general idea of what type of stats youd end up with as you get higher ilvl

[fringe vale]

rn i say more mastery and vers than haste, i feel cose to 40% haste is to much, rather have smt like 30 and focus on vers mast

crit around 20% or so, since u use the corrupted flask that gives u like a good chunk of crit

[snow edge]

Feelycraft is fine if you're not interested in min / maxing

[thorn oriole]

what boost of dps can i expect by using runes and burst potion in my rotation ?

[fringe vale]

idk but if ure not using pots and rune (that is infinite now) ure kind of trolling

[thorn oriole]

fck im bad

[fringe vale]

unless ure ina lfr or normal or rlly low key that u aint pushing bc ure just farming smt

[thorn oriole]

vbad

[fringe vale]

in progression u should at least always pot

at least r2 if ure to broke

[thorn oriole]

i have my flask

[serene moat]

imo critflask sucks. Go versa flask

[fringe vale]

crit flask sims a lil higher than vers flask

at least for me

[sullen dove]

almost always will unless you have like stupid high base crit

[thorn oriole]

Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power + Hissing Rune and im good ?

[sullen dove]

its like 1300 crit vs idk 800ish vers

[slim coral]

spell reflecting the 2nd to last boss plague cast on waycrest so you don't get it and 3 other people do

Based

[fringe vale]

and rune its 100k when u reach rank 18 with new zone

[clear light]

this pump

[sullen dove]

augment rune is whats being referred to

wtf is 23% haste

and 37 crit

holy

[serene moat]

With augury crit weights pretty good

[fringe vale]

i feel avoidance is better than leech

nice vers

[sullen dove]

yea.. please remove your 5% leech from a talent you never swap off from and presumably an extra random roll on a piece of gear

[thorn oriole]

how is it possible to have 50%downtime of range (according to wow analyer)

[sullen dove]

im sure guy is enchanted avoid

[thorn oriole]

daaamn im bad

[sullen dove]

do you mean enrage

[thorn oriole]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/zTYj86BDJw73baXZ/13/5

[sullen dove]

and idk just make sure you hit rampage more often

youll be enraged more

[clear light]

idk, sim tells regenerative leech on cape

[fringe vale]

anyways gn guys gl on ur vaults tmr much love

[sullen dove]

o no like.. completely out of range

[clear light]

i went with that

[sullen dove]

aint no way

[summer quail]

Isn't wowanalyzer rly bad for warrior

[thorn oriole]

idk im lost

[serene moat]

yes

[thorn oriole]

Im ilvl 476 and lagerely underperforming according to a GM i talked to

[serene moat]

And why would sims advice you def enchants. They don't change dps

[thorn oriole]

coule some pure soul help me ?

[summer quail]

Post log in logreview

[serene moat]

#449510248579858432 message

[thorn oriole]

i did post my character page lol

[serene moat]

Did u read guides?

[thorn oriole]

Wowhead, icyveins, method.gg

[serene moat]

They answer almost every question. What's not been answered?

[thorn oriole]

Some HL dude told me my ilvl should be suffisant to enter his guild, but i was widely underperforming dps wise, thus i start my journey to figure out how / why

wow analyzer is bad for warrior

i need to use runes and pots

this is the two things i learned for the moment

[serene moat]

If you read guides, I guess your setup should be okay. So the most optimization would be the way your press the buttons.

Post some logs in the channel I linked and get help there is the best way

No one can tell you what you're doing wrong if u don't show

[thorn oriole]

i posted my charachter warcraft log page, i dont thin kthey can access to my logs from there

[serene moat]

There is a standard opener for Fury and a prio system you should follow

Why don't you post a specific log then?

[thorn oriole]

i will

when do i need to press execute ?

[clear light]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ukKuRvmgaHrRQ9UCNLrJf

do you guys not use leech talent?

[serene moat]

That's sth you can read in those guides. BB > exe (jugg talented) > ramp > BT > exe (no jugg) > slam > WW

[thorn oriole]

ok I dont know sht

[serene moat]

Usually every other global should be BB/BT inbetween ramp. Exe with jugg is the exception during execute phase, where u BB -> exe -> ramp -> BB -> exe -> ramp

I'm back in like 10 mins

[eternal sundial]

Everyone uses it for pathing

Lemme brew my tea and i can then check our your logs Lyes

Any fights you feel like you played well on?

[thorn oriole]

atal dazar +22

[eternal sundial]

How did the run feel? Was it clean?

So i can judge a bit more realistically once tea is through

[sullen dove]

ghost ping

[eternal sundial]

@sullen dove 👻

[eternal sundial]

Can you link me the run btw i only have ur HC logs infront of me rn

[thorn oriole]

what does the hc logs says

[eternal sundial]

Im a bit confused what you want

I asked for a fight you played well on so i can judge

You say atal +22 - i ask for a log of that run and you say something else

Would you prefer the key being looked at or your raid

[thorn oriole]

its because i cant give you the Atal +22 logs rn

but pretty sure i played the same way rotation wise

[eternal sundial]

Then i will look at your Volcoross since it's a patchwerk fight

[unreal onyx]

If the hc logs aren’t good, I assume it’s a rotation/build issue

I don’t think looking at a m+ key will give conclusive answers as much as a bosslog will

[summer quail]

Rotation for sure

[eternal sundial]

alr so step 1

boss damage parses are cope

padding is part of the game

wrong talents for st

gear looks good otherwise

[unreal onyx]

Taking ww to a ST fight won’t make the diff between a 30 or 99 doe

[eternal sundial]

opener is a bit off

you want to OF and then when your avatar buff from OF runs out

replace spear with roar in your case - dps loss talent but okay to run in hc

[thorn oriole]

i never see any fury warrior use spear fo bastion

[unreal onyx]

In ST fights you do

Pure ST

[eternal sundial]

downtime like this is very bad for your damage

[thorn oriole]

i truely thought avatart + OF was after two rampage>BB

[eternal sundial]

probably the soak

but u can dps during the movement

these 2 spells are same cd - normal opener desyncs them by 5 secs max so having 15 between them is bad

more downtime which can be avoided

with your killtime you essentially lost a full avatar cast with your delay

[wicked gazelle]

I watched a bit of revvez during rwf, he was actually going avatar with the spear before the first BT

like every pull, i know probably minor but ye

[eternal sundial]

smolderon

thats diff

[unreal onyx]

Smoldy opener is fucky

[eternal sundial]

big takeaway here though: while rampage CPM is fucked and counts multiple times - you have 61 bbs on a 3:30 log while i have 54 on a 2 minute log (I have wft and better reck uptime)

[brittle phoenix]

Based

[wicked gazelle]

nymue

[wicked gazelle]

ilvl parses all day

until the ilvl is worse than the normal parse

[faint heron]

What phial does more dmg usually, Corrupting rage or tepid vers?

[oblique trail]

Rage but only by a very small amount typically

[brittle phoenix]

No

[wicked gazelle]

i watcheded

[brittle phoenix]

You only do that opener on Smolderon

[oblique trail]

Vers is just 100% consistent and cheaper otherwise

And only ever so slightly worse

[eternal sundial]

im psure with lego crit might not even be dps gain

[oblique trail]

There isn't really much to justify using Rage atm honestly as a Fury warrior

[eternal sundial]

idk theres not much reason not to 🤷‍♂️

[thorn oriole]

what should i do better tho

[eternal sundial]

get the trait and it does 0 dam to u

[oblique trail]

If you got alchemy leveled sure

But for prog just go Vers

If you're on farm or w/e use Rage if you want

[eternal sundial]

u can reduce the amount of fillers you have to do if you bt before rampage at 80-90ish rage

your rotation generally seems correct but it needs to be tigher on the execution

cooldown use especially

[faint heron]

Thank you for the answers 🙏

[thorn oriole]

so im uptime is (really) bad ; my opener is a bit off ; BT before rampage when 80-90ish rage

[eternal sundial]

also if you dont know what to do with your cooldown on a boss

in doubt just use it when its back up

youll realize very fast if it was a bad use and can remember ur timings for the next pull

(using cds right about as nymue phases for example)

[low folio]

i wish they had brought a different talent in place of spear

as in the spot spear is in

[unreal onyx]

On myth nymue I am able to use 2 OF, 1 spear and 1 reck/avatar until it phases

Then send CDs on the add

[eternal sundial]

then get hit with the banezi

and mald

[unreal onyx]

Whats that

[oblique trail]

we dont talk about it

[unreal onyx]

I grey parses twice on nymue so far

[eternal sundial]

^^^

bongzi only 100 parses

[unreal onyx]

But this week I got blue

[eternal sundial]

improvement poggies

[oblique trail]

My Nymue parses have only been going downhill after every kill

[wicked gazelle]

I got a 93 i think for nymue

[oblique trail]

Despite getting better ilvl

[wicked gazelle]

but was seperated from windfury on all 3 adds

2 of the adds having a warlock over me

[eternal sundial]

i bluescreened on our igira rekill at 245k dps

big fun very wow

[oblique trail]

despairge

idk

Nymue

cringe fight to parse on

[unreal onyx]

I feel like I can’t improve

[oblique trail]

but fun fight to actually play

[wicked gazelle]

On igira to log well, do we always hold OF for spear spawns?

[unreal onyx]

My parses are hyper-scuffed

[spare otter]

Zamn

97 gnarloot

[eternal sundial]

[unreal onyx]

Im quite happy with 91 volcoross but that’s about it

[spare otter]

I got 82 on gnarlroot because I saw 2 adds before intermission and I popped everything LOL

[wicked gazelle]

No the 25 second downtime on larodar for fire

ez 81 log

[unreal onyx]

30s straight nothing?

How

[wicked gazelle]

I was on click duty

for clearing fire

[unreal onyx]

Ya‘ll use melee for that?

[wicked gazelle]

Im newish to guild so i think it was trial by fire kinda thing

to show i can actually do mechanics

[eternal sundial]

trial by piss

[unreal onyx]

Trial by inting

[spare otter]

Huuuh

[river reef]

show off

[spare otter]

That's so dumb lmfao

[eternal sundial]

i did seeds/pissing/all the cringe shit on mage last tier so i am not excused of doing anything 🐀

[unreal onyx]

Then they kick you bc low dmg

[unreal onyx]

4x melee firefighters

[wicked gazelle]

I did suggest swapping me with hunter on fire group 3, bc on 3rd we only clear round boss for a couple seconds then we phase

[unreal onyx]

Bruh

[thorn oriole]

what kind of dps boost can i expect from that basd on ur experience ?

[wicked gazelle]

like firegroup 3 is fine with melee trust

but you do it for seconds then phase

everyone in raid had 99% or more active time on boss i was on like 90

[eternal sundial]

i think at 470 you can aim for like 180-190k in st maybe a bit more

[wicked gazelle]

So if i was just middle over the hunter on 3rd and he went clicker for 2nd it works fine right?

[river reef]

believing ranged andys can be trusted with mechanics

[spare otter]

I don't get why Ur doing that mech in the first place

[unreal onyx]

I‘d rather wipe blasting than get inted by dumb mechanics I get assigned to

[spare otter]

Same

[wicked gazelle]

I did the maths on like average dps i maybe put out an extra 5 mil i esstimate

[river reef]

just heal man