fury

[night egret]

Not really

[wild mural]

I cant seem to do no dps with it

[fading bane]

there arent many "hard" wow specs

[modest condor]

if you're playing bfa dh yeah

[night egret]

Dh has more buttons

Atm

[fading bane]

arcane feral for example is prob some of the hardest specs

[night egret]

And needs positoning

[clever path]

i do miss bfa dh, the whole inertia thing just isnt fun

[night egret]

Constantly dashing

[modest condor]

current fury is as complex as bfa dh was

[night egret]

Yep

[spare otter]

just play no mover build

[ember apex]

ive mained warrior since i started playing in shadowlands pre-patch and gotten CE every tier except 2 and this is the first time i play DH and i can tell u from this experience that the amount of work that DH does to get 500k dps in an aoe pull is significantly less than fury warrior

[modest condor]

imagine last boss tol dagor with current dh

[fading bane]

thats also a tuning thing tho

[night egret]

Bro

[wild mural]

it was bad enough as bfa dh

[clever path]

god anywhere in td with current dh would just be horrid

[modest condor]

fury presses rampage, odyn's fury and roar and does 500k dps

[night egret]

Dh rotation is harder than fury but thats not because havoc is hard

Fury is just so simple

[ember apex]

my warrior is like 483 and my DH is prob 463 or something and on some very specific pulls my DH can prob pull more damage and this is my first time ever really playing DH outside leveling it

hard disagree

about DH being harder than fury

[night egret]

I have 3350 dh atm

[modest condor]

yeah but you're known as the guy with the terrible takes

[fading bane]

DH scales more on targets no?

[night egret]

I have 3350 dh and fury is simpler

[summer bobcat]

why tf nobody joins my key

wow is dead

[clever path]

lol silmarilen

[modest condor]

because you're a fish

[night egret]

Havoc is not hard

[ember apex]

this isnt a counter point

[night egret]

Just fury is

[ember apex]

that doesnt mean anything

[summer bobcat]

watch your mouth

[night egret]

Braindead rotation

[summer bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/464719354785824768/983452780234674246/F60B3685-F4D9-4062-B2E5-DDCA76AB3579-3.gif

[wild mural]

how u breathin

[night egret]

Bro you press 4 buttons for rotation

[summer bobcat]

im a mouth breather

[night egret]

Outside of cds

[wild mural]

yoooo

[humble plover]

So I think DH is harder than fury but it's probably because Ive played fury for years and am super comfortable with it

[night egret]

Like fury has 4 skills for rotation atm

[ember apex]

ive also played fury for years

when did SL launch

[night egret]

Outside cds

[ember apex]

hold on

[spare otter]

i mean dh is defo harder but i only think it's hard because of dashes tbh

[fading bane]

almost every spec boils down to just a prio list

and its not hard

[wild mural]

I suck at every class so my takes are either a major W or L

[humble plover]

This

[ember apex]

yeah 3 years ive been playing warrior / wow

[summer bobcat]

thanks for the info man

really helped

[unreal onyx]

DH rotation isn't too hard, not dying bc of dashing is the hard part

[night egret]

Its harder than fury rotation+ movement

[humble plover]

Hit the right rock real good and go to Narnia

[night egret]

You cant compare fury rotation with any class

[ember apex]

idk DH is just like, stand in pack and everything naturally cleaves

[unreal onyx]

name checks out

[night egret]

Its simplest

And most straightforward rotation

[fading bane]

BM

[ember apex]

no it isnt

like straight up bad take

[elder vessel]

That’s just not true lol

[fading bane]

nothing is easier than BM

[ember apex]

ok here's why tho

[elder vessel]

Whiff take

[ember apex]

when u first start wow the default class selected is what

warrior

when u select that class the first spec chosen is what

arms

[humble plover]

Let him cook

[spare otter]

oh hes cooking

[ember apex]

u know why blizz chooses that spec and not fury

for intro characters

b/c its easier

[hollow elk]

Every class is already under braindead now. It's just how much lower they are off each other

[quiet geyser]

The fuck are you talking about

[night egret]

Because a comes before F in alphabet

[elder vessel]

A even bigger hot take lol

[night egret]

Are you dumb

[humble plover]

NVM don't let him cook

[ember apex]

whats more complicated arms or fury

for a new player

[night egret]

Bro i think you in wrong discord

Go dh discord

You will fit well

[ember apex]

im not pumping DH up

[quiet geyser]

Historically speaking, fury was always much simpler

So your point is already invalid

[unreal onyx]

SL DH was pretty damn easy

[ember apex]

then why dont new chars on new accounts default to fury and not arms

[unreal onyx]

idk how easy it is now

[humble plover]

Pretty easy

[ember apex]

DH is the easiest shit ive ever played

[night egret]

Whats your rio

[humble plover]

Just a lot of moving

[unreal onyx]

bro pulled out the rio

[ember apex]

ill link my shit rn

[unreal onyx]

imediately invalid opinions

[night egret]

Link

[ember apex]

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Carlo

post ur link

[quiet geyser]

Cuz arms was always the first tree in the spec, since classic. Has nothing to do with being easier.

[fading bane]

💀

[night egret]

💀

2958

💀

[brittle phoenix]

💀

[ember apex]

im not an IO pusher and thats not what we're even talking about

[humble plover]

💀

[ember apex]

u never posted urs

[night egret]

Even if im 2000 This not change your 2958

💀

[unreal onyx]

idk what the point is

of that

[hollow elk]

I mean. Talk shit. ?

[ember apex]

whats 2958 mean i dont get it

[fading bane]

io score has to be the worst measurement tho

[night egret]

Hes not in position to make that takes

[fading bane]

like who the fuck cares

[spare otter]

fr

[unreal onyx]

I think blud just joined to cause trouble

[oblique trail]

I've played with people who have 3200 score

[humble plover]

So here's the actual meat of it all. Playing DH wrong is still better than playing fury right. Doesn't matter who's harder to play

[oblique trail]

but play like bots

[fading bane]

you can be 1k and be dogshit and 4k and be dogshit

do not matter

[oblique trail]

why should someone care that you have a higher io score than someone else

[ember apex]

then link it. u demanded i posted mine to validate my opinion

now u dont have to?

[spare otter]

im the 3k+ io guy who plays like a bot

[brittle phoenix]

Yo me too bro fr

[hollow elk]

I'ma agree with carlo here. The little simp mage over there called out rio but won't do the same.

[charred panther]

Hes trying to find the right one to rip

[ember apex]

im assuming its going to match his discord name

[unreal onyx]

lemme take a random DH I found

https://raider.io/characters/eu/sunstrider/Gaedrel?season=season-df-3

[hollow elk]

But yeah nobody gives a fuck about rio till you call it out

[unreal onyx]

random DH^

DH bad class

[oblique trail]

I'm also just wondering

wat the fuck does rio have to do with understanding the rotation

or how easy or hard it is

[unreal onyx]

prove me wrong, he clearly has a lower io than me on my warrior

[humble plover]

Like I have to play really well on my warrior to even come close to our BM hunter. And my DH does the same if not more and I've been playing it for 2 weeks

[wild mural]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Tïnyfürz

[quiet geyser]

Can we go back to the fact that carlo thinks arms is the "default", or first in line warrior spec because its simpler...

[unreal onyx]

rogue bad, I have higher IO

[wild mural]

fuck

[hollow elk]

Nothing to do with the player. But the mage boi sucked the fuck out after his callout got reversed

[wild mural]

its joever

[unreal onyx]

dude went real quiet when asked to link his io

or did I miss it?

[hollow elk]

He did

He gone

[ember apex]

he hasnt linked anything

he just posted 💀

[wild mural]

I was expecting a comment on my rogues name

[ember apex]

when i posted mine

[hollow elk]

He did as in he went quiet lol

[ember apex]

i guess 2.9k is bad idk

im not an IO pusher but he asked for link

[quiet geyser]

You still make stupid points.

[hollow elk]

I stop at 2500 then get pushed into higher keys kicking and screaming lol

[spare otter]

imagine doing m+ for fun

couldnt be me

[fading bane]

if u dont push

[unreal onyx]

gottem

[fading bane]

then score legit means nothing

[ember apex]

wowwwww

literal hypocrite wth

[ember apex]

im joking half the time but im not with this

[spare otter]

LOL

[clever path]

whatd i miss

[humble plover]

I still just think the difficulty is irrelevant when bad DH still beats good warrior

[hollow elk]

Score means nothing unless you reach title percent either way. So 2500 for rewards and whatever is the cut off for title or bust

[urban tapir]

if ur pugging its harder to push cuz meta, key invites are a battle

just depends on if u have group or not

[edgy widget]

big news in about 10m, just FYI

[ember apex]

lets say theres an 8 mob trash pack in M+ fortified +20. i think my DH has to do way less work to get to 500k DPS than my warrior does. thats the only thing im trying to say

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-oh-my-gosh-oh-my-god-omfg-wow-gif-4172034

[quiet geyser]

Then yet another stupid assumption you've made.

[spare otter]

wait

fr?

[oblique trail]

Thunderous roar visual rework on ptr incoming

[urban tapir]

huhhhhhh

[ember apex]

why

[spare otter]

what could it be

[ember apex]

explain

[icy topaz]

[urban tapir]

lmfao aware

[clever belfry]

tooning

[spiral orbit]

how does archimtros know

[spare otter]

fury warrior nerfs?

[clever path]

he knows all

[spare otter]

[unreal onyx]

good or bad? I hope good

[urban tapir]

im prebricked

[ember apex]

legendary in vault tomorrow for all AOTC andy's

[clever path]

cant be anything bad, can only be good imo

[ember apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/933684566240149624.webp?size=48&name=Prayge&quality=lossless

[quiet geyser]

You literally think specs are placed in their order based in how hard or simple they are?

[edgy widget]

Mountain Thane Hero Talent Tree for Fury and Protection revealed
Very early thoughts from a DPS perspective; keep in mind that some of this is still likely placeholder

• Absolutely nailed the Lightning and Avatar theme
• Thunder Clap effectively replacing Whirlwind is very cool
• Lots of damage/resource scaling
• Thunder Blast as a proc sounds cool, we'll see how the actual tuning works out - doesn't feel like it will be very high priority though
• 10% chance on a 10% chance to proc Avatar is very underwhelming; RNG on RNG usually feels bad IMO
• Ravager CDR feels Prot focused. Fury already gets this through AM, and any extra will probably just misalign from Reck, while Annihilator builds won't take Ravager at all... though at least it's a choice node.
• Defensive talents are very underwhelming (Storm Bolt is diminishing returns bait, and the rest are too minor to care)

And the big issue:

• Talents are split between those that enhance Bloodthirst or RB, and Fury builds rarely focus on both. Ideally, RB stuff will also work with Annihilator, which this would be a very good tree for, but that could be a conflict, as RB builds don't really want to press Bloodthirst this much

[unreal onyx]

surely

[spiral orbit]

oh crap are they gonna rename another covenant ability. that will be so huge

[spare otter]

fuck

all my homies hate mountain thane

[oblique trail]

wow poggies

[spare otter]

we want slayer

!!!

[oblique trail]

yooo

safeguard is back

[clever path]

the heck is mountain thane

[ember apex]

can we do fury/arms instead of fury/prot?

[spare otter]

thunder clap build 💀

i aint playing that

[unreal onyx]

fury thunder clap

[wild mural]

lets go thunderclap fury

[humble plover]

I hope that's not the big news 😦

[clever path]

[wild mural]

this is exactly what I've been waiting for

[humble plover]

Stuff isn't for another year lol

[unreal onyx]

good

[ember apex]

i bet we have to take this for some BS mechanic next expansion for prog

[clever belfry]

new opener

[wild mural]

wooooo

[edgy widget]

na that's pretty dogwater for DPS

[quiet geyser]

Fury using thunderclap

Weird.

[ember apex]

i bet we go slayer tho

like arms/fury just makes more sense

[spare otter]

100% we go slayer

this shit sounds ass

[edgy widget]

🤔

[oblique trail]

Man

[spare otter]

in my opinion ofc

[ember apex]

think of slayers in path of exile

[past pivot]

Maybe they can change our throws from weapons to lightning. Odyn would approve of that

[edgy widget]

A) you don't even know what the slayer tree is yet, lol

[wild mural]

it makles more sense cause of the name?

[oblique trail]

We wont just have Reck procs now, we'll also have Avatar procs

can't wait

[edgy widget]

B) this stuff is actually pretty good (offensively)

[quiet geyser]

Dunno, this tree looks very AoE heavy. Will prob be good for m+

[ember apex]

im allowed to fantasize

[edgy widget]

there's a lot of raw damage scaling here

[wild mural]

condemn on slayer tree

[clever path]

[icy topaz]

bladestorm on slayer

[spare otter]

condemn best ability in the game

[wild mural]

[ember apex]

omg condemn

[past pivot]

Slayer will be all execute-based and then the bosses will be like sylvannas with no execute phase ...

[ember apex]

is there a wowhead article on this

where is the source

[past pivot]

check #news

[edgy widget]

anyway, my feedback is pinned

[unreal onyx]

tc replacing ww?

we won't get ww buff from tc will we?

[past pivot]

That sounds like it could be a good M+/AOE build. then SLayer/condemn for ST

[edgy widget]

read the damn thing

[unreal onyx]

sorry sir

I did in fact read over that

[spare otter]

just make sure it doesn't happen again, okay?

[nova atlas]

still wish Fury had Rend for blood and thunder

[oblique trail]

At a glance it might be a bit funky to play it but Mountain Thane just looks to be very M+ oriented

Maybe Slayer is more ST focused

[wild mural]

noob

[clever path]

banezi, you change your pfp so much

[oblique trail]

I do

[flat river]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/first-look-at-hero-talents-in-the-war-within-336814

[clever path]

i always question, is the the same person lol

[pallid tinsel]

Shaman warriors unite

[desert cape]

lame - i thought we were getting some class changes/tuning - not some bs announcement

[upbeat plume]

My only concern atm is the hero trees putting even more of a squeeze on the general class tree if we have to take extra abilities but so far they look fine

[ember apex]

dude imagine PvP w/ this tree

[oblique trail]

It's all very early and no general/spec tree changes yet

[wild mural]

are they not just replacements for extending the class tree

[upbeat plume]

Not gonna happen for awhile and more people get the leggo very little is being done to any of the leggo asses

[oblique trail]

But it looks to maybe be a bit fun but who knows

[past pivot]

leggo tuning will be class tuning

[upbeat plume]

But mountain thane is a good example wedhave to take tc and sb to even use the tree pulling points from other places in the general tree

[oblique trail]

I mean surely you always take SB anyway for M+

At the very least in the current iteration

[ember apex]

it depends on if they move shockwave

yeah in current yeah

[calm swallow]

So Fury is gonna be sparky now, that sounds kinda fun

[prime summit]

we havent had patch notes that were meaningful in 4 months

lol

[upbeat plume]

On top of that tc is a two extra points

[wild mural]

but we have to do that now with OF anyway

[upbeat plume]

I'm down for it the avatar tc flavor goes back to wcIII

[upbeat plume]

That's not the general tree

[wild mural]

I know but it's the same concept

[past pivot]

Look at the leggo patch notes. There they are.

[frozen tartan]

just dont take shockwave

[wild mural]

where we're forced into certain talent directions cause of external stuff

[hollow elk]

Was hoping for some current wow stuff..

[frozen tartan]

there is also another tree, but i guess most subclass trees are like this

[upbeat plume]

The difference is this is through put vs utility and defense rather then through put vs throughput in the case of odyns

[humble plover]

Me too

[upbeat plume]

Again it's just a concern atm I'm not dooming lol

[oblique trail]

I'll stay optimistic for now

[calm swallow]

So will Thunderclap give us the cleave like whirlwind does now, is that what it means by "improves Thunderclap as well as Whirlwnid" ?

[oblique trail]

The first glance looks more fun than boring

[frozen tartan]

Would be pretty awesome imo

[ember apex]

tbh if this is balanced with WW cleave and does roughly the same DPS i do like having options of how to deal AoE damage

vs being pigeonholed into 1 specific method of gameplay

[calm swallow]

I think it'd be sick to effectly replace being a death-dreidle with lightning groundpound

[upbeat plume]

Yep looks like a solid starting point if they do the others like this

[royal oxide]

Thunder clap has better sounds lol

[upbeat plume]

I hear that lol

[calm swallow]

I'm wondering what Slayer will be...

[upbeat plume]

Mountain king was my favorite hero in wcIII

[calm swallow]

I mean he's gorgeous, how could he not be

[royal oxide]

An anime

[past pivot]

I'm guessing ST/condemn focused

[umbral ingot]

that beard is a life goal

[upbeat plume]

Get that evil out of here fuckign reforged

[calm swallow]

I was hoping for something closer to Warhammer Slayer lol

[upbeat plume]

XD

[calm swallow]

Right?

[ember apex]

Im hoping for path of exile slayer

[royal oxide]

Nah let's get giga anime protagonist vibes from slayer. Lol

[calm swallow]

Anime should stay where it belongs

In the trash

With other animes

[spare otter]

idk man

jujutsu kaisen slaps

[royal oxide]

Hey we need this power to get the same kind of main character status mage has

[ember apex]

that's prob what they're gonna go for w/ slayer

[spare otter]

dragon ball z

insane

[ember apex]

source: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Slayer

[balmy shore]

i wanna see the arms x fury talents gimme gimme

[ember apex]

yeah thats what slayer is

[upbeat plume]

Yeah fury is slayer thane

[ember apex]

poe has an ascendancy tree for slayer type melee dps which is prob a good idea

[upbeat plume]

And arms is colossus thane

[ember apex]

of what blizz is gonna do for warrior

[royal oxide]

I bet Colossus is all about a certain strike window we have

[upbeat plume]

It would seem likely

[tacit crag]

I'm sure each combination will be targeted more heavily at one spec over the other. This seems to be Prot's aoe focused hero tree. Fury/arms are probably more likely to go their opposite for dps. My guess is prot/arms is single target damage buffs

[fickle bluff]

colossus slayer

[upbeat plume]

Oh I got that mixed up your right my bad

[balmy shore]

ya i know i just want to see it

[tepid scroll]

On ST bosses like smolderon where he is moving everywhere do you drop spear of bastion for TR?

Feels weird holding it on opener until he gets settled

[ember apex]

i dont hold spear on opener on smolderon and you shouldnt either. you should use it w/ in 2-3sec of boss being pulled

[tepid scroll]

Does it matter if you dont get to stand in it for full duration?

[crystal summit]

the goal is to get it for buff during intermission

[ember apex]

not a ton, its more important that u get those globals during buff intermission

[wild mural]

its more important to have it during intermission

[ember apex]

yeah

[tepid scroll]

Intermission happens around 1:30?

[ember apex]

which is why u dump ur CDs so fast

the knockback is at 1min8sec

[tepid scroll]

Kk then on council you going ST or Cleave? I find some pug tanks dont have them together at all so maybe just group dependent?

[ember apex]

oh if this is heroic

u dont need to minmax anything u do what u want at all times

but i go cleave 100% on council

tank should always have bear stacked on something

[tepid scroll]

I mean was nearly 8/9M last tier just taking a break from mythic this tier since I had a kid

[ember apex]

unless bear is lowest HP

[tepid scroll]

still destire the minmax

[ember apex]

ok here

lemme show u something

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#boss=2728&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&difficulty=4

thats top heroic parses for council

click show more to see the full buiild that the top 100 paarses are using

the only difference is pain and gain (passive self healing) and seismic reverberation

which is a minor ww cleave buff

and its about 50/50 split so not super important

[ember apex]

*works on bosses

fuck imagine

[modest condor]

useless talent

[pale trout]

brother how are we supposed to add like 5 buttons to our rotation ??? I already have a surgery scheduled for my wrists ???

[modest condor]

where are you adding 5 buttons?

[pale trout]

im kiddings more like 2

[modest condor]

the only new button is thunderclap

which replaces whirlwind in the rotation

[sage nimbus]

Won't storm bolts just DR everyone else's stuns and make it kind of a trap talent

[white relic]

Smolderin intermission 1 is nearly finished when you cds are up again. Maybe you have to stand in the last circle of fire

[pale trout]

• Ravager apparently (if we run the talent that uses Ravager

[modest condor]

not just that but most of the time you're fighting more than 3 targets so you can't guarantee it will stun the right ones

[ember apex]

you 100% have to do that

[modest condor]

and it's competing with "safeguard"

which is universally good

[hasty path]

Bro your rotation is 3 buttons

What

[sage nimbus]

Yeah initial reaction when I saw that talent is that it seemed weak.

[silent burrow]

Dude I saw safeguard and I was like yeessssss

[ember apex]

thats where the top log for mythic smolderon is standing for first knockback

for fury*

[unreal cape]

guys, is there any general info on when to use the legendary on use ? i'm raiding tonight and would like to know. i just remember someone saying that the on use is weaker than your rotation in some situations.. so should i even use it in raid?

[modest condor]

use it outside of cooldowns

[pale trout]

lmao it's just a joke mate ahah

[unreal cape]

okay, can i cancel the channel if i NEED to move asap?

[modest condor]

no

[gilded pawn]

Don’t think so

[ember apex]

make sure u have ur mic on voice activation and just say "bop on rhanoss" or "spell bop on rhanoss" when u dont want to move

[rigid stirrup]

Ideally you wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you would have to cancel

[neon nacelle]

Best trinkets for m+? Augury + Might?

[rigid stirrup]

yes

[unreal cape]

so are you saying that there's no way to cancel?

cuz that didn't help at all

obviously i shouldnt use it in a situation where i could die

[ember apex]

thats not even true. just call for bop/spell bop

and do what u want

just communicate

[gilded pawn]

2 people said you can’t cancel

[rigid stirrup]

I mean I personally think it would've been faster just to try and cancel the cast yourself in game than asking disc where a miniority of people actually have it

[spiral night]

What the f is that thane crap - are we becoming shamans now

[rigid stirrup]

I hope colossus is more interesting

[past pivot]

It's 1 choice you'll have. You don't have to take it. Guess you didn't see that part. gg you

[ember apex]

aotc only andy

SMH my head

[rigid stirrup]

I mean its RNG

[unreal cape]

ah, i didnt see that. only saw the @ me

[rigid stirrup]

probably some LFR only andy got it as well

[ember apex]

don't say that

[clever path]

i seen some person pay for an aotc run for achieve and get the leggo rofl

[balmy shore]

big value buy

[rigid stirrup]

I don't want to end up like those hunters that would cry at the end of raz season 1 whenever a bow wouldn't drop

[nova atlas]

the LFR Larry ret pally who gets legendary first try after buying a level boost🗿

[rigid stirrup]

legendary thankfully isn't like a night and day for the spec

[balmy shore]

if it drops it drops you can kill all of the bosses with or without it

[modest condor]

with the rate blp is stacking up we'll probably see like 90% of people get it next week

[clever path]

maybe the new level boost has some hidden tech for loot rng

[balmy shore]

bet

[meager gyro]

War within talents out!

[past pivot]

Some. No slayer

[rigid stirrup]

I mean its been a proven trend that new players/boosted ones get better drop rates for shit

i.e. mounts and what not

[ember apex]

i mean wow def has catch-up mechanics

[clever path]

last time i bought a boost for an alt, i paid the guy 1 million gold and got 2 of 8 runs and everyone left and the guy unfriended me

[craggy pendant]

[ember apex]

thats crazy i just make my guild carry my alts

i carry theirs all the time

[clever path]

yeah i mean, everyone in group got banned, even the boosters

[rigid stirrup]

I don't think the leveling experiance is that bad tbh

[clever path]

leveling is easy, just trying to gear an alt mid season is hard af

unless your guildies can carry, but everyones usually busy when it comes time to help me LOL

[rigid stirrup]

I forgot people play more than 2 alts

[quiet bramble]

Interesting they want fury to cast thunderclap

[warped bone]

Disgusting

[deft thicket]

these talent trees are for the next xpac?

[past pivot]

partial

[rigid stirrup]

I hope slayer is just fury w more bleeds

[quiet bramble]

if it generates rage and activates cleave I won't mind

[rotund steppe]

i mean

if we dont use slayer

they fkc up

[quiet bramble]

I'm not opposed to using either

[frail trout]

It'd be nice to be able to use thunderclap as a real damage spell

[gilded pawn]

TC is literally just whirlwind

[frail trout]

Not a glorified dot applicator like it is for arms

[clever path]

both should be viable, they shouldnt make us do one for M+ and one for raid

[warped bone]

Wonder if they based Slayer on the fact that Arms are execute bois

[gilded pawn]

It’s still not a real damage spell

[young swan]

neither is ww

so

[midnight kite]

I suppose it could be rend and deep wounds for that all in bleeding

[young swan]

but also it will just do 30% more damage sometimes

[frail trout]

I want a tclap that fucks

[young swan]

pretty good

[frail trout]

Like the execute tclap from arms

[gilded pawn]

I can see a world where thane is played in m+

[rotund steppe]

i dont like the tree :c

i dont wanna do nature dmg

[young swan]

the only thing im not a fan of is the random ravager cdr

seems quite bad for fury

[frail trout]

That is kinda sussy yeah

[young swan]

but thats also only half of the potential picture

[quiet bramble]

it's a choice node at least

[young swan]

who knows what they have planned for the spec tree

[frozen tartan]

It's a choice node

[young swan]

it is!

great observation skills

[frozen tartan]

[young swan]

still not a good node!

[rotund steppe]

i hope slayer tree is something with execute

[young swan]

prob will be

[spare otter]

wait so

can you only go down one line on the tree?

[quiet geyser]

Im gonna assume lots of bleeds for slayer

Dunno why just an assumption

[summer bobcat]

do i need to use roar while i have avatar buff

[quiet bramble]

you get the entire tree at 70

[summer bobcat]

or it doesnt make any diff

[young swan]

you get every talent

[quiet bramble]

or 80 whatever the cap is

[spare otter]

oh i see

[rotund steppe]

what if in the slayer tree we get 3 charges of heroic leap

[clever path]

just keep it at 1 heroic leap and give us a speed boost instead, im tired of using my nitro boost

[summer bobcat]

do i need to use roar while i have avatar buff
or it doesnt make any diff

[clever path]

you roar before avatar

[peak halo]

I think the DOT is dynamic, so using Avatar increases the dot damage without wasting a global within Avatar to apply it. - I might be wrong tho

[vagrant imp]

id be happy if one node just got rid of SMF but lets us mog 1h items onto 2h 🤣

[frail trout]

Mountain thane seems cool, I remember the enhanced tclap visual they showed at blizzcon

And it already has a great sound effect

I just hope tclap slaps

[modest condor]

it claps

[clever path]

[modest condor]

badum tss

[hasty path]

You get everything. Only choices are the choice nodes and the main “overall” choice is your actual tree itself

[spare otter]

thats weird you get prot based stuff

but fair enough

[stiff barn]

Imagine using tclap as fury

[frail trout]

I'm sold

Sign me up

[dull sierra]

yes snapshotting mostly doesnt exist anymore

[rotund steppe]

we already use slam

[vagrant imp]

slayer needs "each ravager dmg tick also applies a thunderclap"

[spiral idol]

Thunderclap costs rage for fury, doesn't it? 🤮

[stiff barn]

Unless you macro it and use the RB icon

[rich jasper]

Dad told me to never use slam, no matter what

[quiet bramble]

the hero tree makes it generate rage

[hasty path]

Definitely feels backwards

Like arms should’ve been mountain thane

[frail trout]

Ok fair point

[quiet bramble]

If you're mountain thane just replace WW with Tclap

[spice hemlock]

why armor exists when everyone will ignore it next expansion 🧑‍🦽

[spiral idol]

OH I missed that line, thanks

[stiff barn]

Hoping slayer is something cool, gigga fury execute

[meager gyro]

I just realized that slam is shield slam for a dps

[astral path]

Are allied wristguards really better than shadowflame?

[frail trout]

No shield slam is cool

Slam sucks

Don't @ me

[vagrant imp]

stormbolt hitting 2 extra targets makes me warm and fuzzy

[past pivot]

Actually shield slam is Slam for tanks. Slam was in the game first

[stiff barn]

Yeah, big fan of that

[clever path]

hits the only 2 other targets that cannot be stunned

hope theres some AI to it

[oblique trail]

On pure ST it's slightly worse, but for general use Allied will be better

[meager gyro]

You don't pay my English subs subscription

[rich jasper]

isnt the storm bolt thing dr bait?

[frail trout]

Yeah not having control of it is a little

[spiral idol]

It sounds like maybe taking improved whirlwind/meat cleaver will make tclap give 4 ww charges? am i reading that wrong?

[past pivot]

Or your history, apparently. But Slam was in the game first.

[clever path]

now show us the slayer tree

[oblique trail]

Apparently*

👴

[modest condor]

yeah it's kinda bad

[cunning moth]

how much better is spear on mythic smolderon than TR ?

[proper veldt]

damn so exciting, i cant wait to press TC as fury !!!

[vagrant imp]

Please slayer, give me bladestorm back

[past pivot]

I just want the Condemn animation.

[meager gyro]

I did not buy history expansion, I bought shadow lands

[tacit crag]

In bis profile wouldn't lariat be higher DPS? Or is it extremely small gain. I don't have bis gear but I'm 484 and have almost all sockets except wrists.

[young swan]

a lot

stacking damage amps on damage amps 📈

[past pivot]

And if you upgrade and lose a socket? I mean it's simmable but seems like still better items to craft than lariat right now. But yolo

[frail trout]

It's nice that spear has a guaranteed benefit for us with the current tier bonus instead of being subjected to crit rng

[oak crest]

is it just me, or does current mountain thane just look like fury but thunder clap instead of wirlwind

[tacit crag]

I dunno what you would want to craft that wouldn't be replaced easily by any myth track version of that slot?

[frail trout]

Probably yeah.....but thunderclap is more cool

Fight me

[gilded pawn]

I don’t look at animations

So I’m good

[rich jasper]

I agree, fuck ww

[frail trout]

Not just the animation

The sound

Or are you an all-sounds off gamer

[chilly fractal]

Remember in Beta when we could do Blood and Thunder

[gilded pawn]

People hated it but yeah

[rich jasper]

my ingame sound is on since they put the screaming garrosh trinket in the game

[young swan]

yeah rend was our high dpr ability it was epic

[south kayak]

Lightning strikes look pretty cool

[past pivot]

Ring with flavor packet if you don't have. Allied wrists or shadowflame if you don't have. But if you have that high ilvl gear with sockets, then Lariat would be a choice.

[silver tangle]

furybros are we thunderclapping as well ?!

[tacit crag]

I'll see what vault gives me. If it gives me a myth track cloak with good stats I may take it as a sign and sim lariat.

[oblique trail]

In the next expac we will

[south kayak]

that looks cool

thunder clapping

[young ether]

anyone else have problem that odyns fury wont clear roots on tindral? happened a bunch of times now

[chilly fractal]

Thunder clapping cheeks

[silver tangle]

all of the upcoming changes seems great

[oblique trail]

It wont dispel your root if you already have avatar

[chilly fractal]

Do you have Avatar up when you use Of?

[south kayak]

can't believe this shit game

[silver tangle]

lmao

[sullen basin]

what cahnges

[silver tangle]

said it wrong, the new hero talents in this case*

[oblique trail]

At a glance they look more good than bad

Will just see how it feels to have TC also be a part of your AoE rotation

And assuming that TC now gives you the WW buff, what the point of WW would be

Or if it just replaces WW in your rotation

[south kayak]

it replaces it for sure

[slim coral]

Bro image if we got mirror imagine and wind walking omg

Sad they couldn’t make it work

[sage nimbus]

Kind of sad for me, I enjoy the whirlwind animation. Hopefully slayer is good

[silver tangle]

at least its just one more button to press for fury, and if we "can" replace ww for tc, its great

also we still have slayer to see how it plays

[south kayak]

slayer is gonna be around rampagte

rampage

for sure

im coping

[iron portal]

I am here and I obey

[leaden spoke]

watch them put in condemn

[iron portal]

Haiiiiii

[silver tangle]

rampage and some arms spell, maybe mortal strike

*assuming its will be around rampage

[lapis lion]

never make me go back to raging blow builds, thats all im asking. t31/anni has been the most fun ive had with fury since probably wotlk arp days

[oblique trail]

Thane has filler abilities included

So maybe

But Thane is also very M+/AoE oriented

So I'll just go out on a limb and assume Slayer will be more ST oriented

[unreal onyx]

a story in 2 pictures

[south kayak]

what key

[unreal onyx]

++23 AD

[slim coral]

Mirror image would of been sick

[clever path]

frost mage does feel like ass in M+

[slim coral]

I need it!

[south kayak]

I think i know why, he's a fire mage in AD

not a lot of adds

[slim coral]

I need them to bring blade master to life

[clever path]

oh he is fire

[south kayak]

and he needs a lot of mobs/pulls

[lapis lion]

i dont, blademaster doesn't feel warriorish and i dont miss it from wc3 at all

[iron portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fel-blademaster-warcraft3-fel-orc-gif-15470182

[unreal onyx]

even in big pulls he did fuckall

[south kayak]

did they die fast?

[clever path]

prolly blames the tank for not pulling around his combust

[unreal onyx]

not really, it's a fort 23

[clever path]

thats the only way fire does really well

[inland flame]

Just bind every key to Flamestrike, profit

[unreal onyx]

question then is, why is he playing fire if he knows his dmg will be bad

[south kayak]

dunno

frost is way better in a pug

at that level

[inland flame]

Some people are intimidated by specs they aren't used to.

[clever path]

thats like asking why people play arms in keys lol

[south kayak]

really?

frost is nowhere near arms lmao

it's way better

[oblique trail]

Arms doesn't do bad damage

[clever path]

neither does fire

[south kayak]

and arms doesn't really do bad damage anyway

[oblique trail]

In fact it's better suited for bigger pulls where Fury isn't as good

[slim coral]

This shit looks sick

[south kayak]

you look sick

[inland flame]

Frost is pretty straightforward but I get Arc being intimidating.

[calm mantle]

Don't like the even stat distribution but can't give up that speed right.

[spiral idol]

I play arms in keys once per tier, for break the meta

[south kayak]

lmao

[slim coral]

So we do damage with lighting now

That’s sick

[clever path]

whats break the meta

[south kayak]

@slim coral i am farming a bis dagger in fall

[unreal onyx]

thats the dmg before rezan

[south kayak]

got 3 legs in a row

[unreal onyx]

we BLd 2 packs on the left

[slim coral]

I’m manning lightning warrior

[oblique trail]

Bro

Why are you filtering out his name

[south kayak]

cool bro

[calm mantle]

The speed is good right?

[oblique trail]

But full blast his name anyway from his chat message up above

[slim coral]

I think dk has the most potention

Or DH

To be op

[south kayak]

[unreal onyx]

there ain't no name

that's his realm

[oblique trail]

Or rather that was his server

but you show the rest of the group

[south kayak]

about to doxx the mage

(joke)

[oblique trail]

Not that I think people care enough just thought it was funny

[south kayak]

can someone give me luck for a weapon drop

[unreal onyx]

1 step to not "humilate" them

but idk

[south kayak]

I was going to personally whisper them and humiliate them on how bad they were

but now i can't

[unreal onyx]

that rogue was 3.35k io

top 120 or so

I was able to somewhat keep up

[south kayak]

You did well vs a rogue that high

👏

[oblique trail]

io =/= skill

[south kayak]

idk about that

it helps

[unreal onyx]

in that level I would say it does

~3k it doesn't mean a lot

[oblique trail]

I've played with plenty of shitters that are way above my io

[south kayak]

what is your io

[unreal onyx]

but if you get in top 100 of a class I would say it matters

[oblique trail]

2850

I don't push

[south kayak]

true

[clever path]

thunderclap time

[crimson bay]

Did they swap slayer and colossus?

[south kayak]

same, I hate pushing

[chrome plover]

no

slayer is fury + arms

[clever path]

last season ive seen people in title range boosted by aug spriest mage

[chrome plover]

colossus is arms + prot

[clever path]

cant even dodge spells

lmao

[clever path]

get a squaty potty

[hasty path]

3500 aug/priest players last tier were giga trap

[oblique trail]

It's an example but it's basically what I mean

[clever path]

Storm Shield: Intervening a target grants them a shield for 5 seconds that absorbs magic damage equal to 3 times your Armor.

SAFEGUARD BACK????????

[hasty path]

Literally 3K skill players inflated by god comp

[oblique trail]

Sure it gives an indication that they probably on average are better than the typical player in the queue

[unreal onyx]

I'd say io matters a lot more on non-meta specs

[south kayak]

I just played with a really good aug earlier today in m+, big difference vs average ones lmao

[oblique trail]

But they can still be complete dookie

[crimson bay]

The chart the posted shows slayer as arms + prot

[hasty path]

This shows slayer as arms/fury

[clever path]

??

[unreal onyx]

if I see a 3k DH vs a 3k warrior, I know the warrior is more skilled (personally)

[hasty path]

Generally yes

[clever path]

so the talent choice shouldnt matter is what they are trying to say

[south kayak]

damn, this dk didn't even use fyralath lmao

[hasty path]

If equal io but meta vs off meta, that tends to be the case in my experience

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

It's all condensed rn under Mark apparently

Because of a Details bug

[south kayak]

it is?

[oblique trail]

unless @young swan fuking lied to me

[clever path]

depends on rio but if its high rio then i guess ye

idc i look at logs

[wanton mirage]

Mountainthane fury is basically enhancement shaman without Bloodlust?

[oblique trail]

I don't have the weapon to go check so

[south kayak]

oh, highest crit is 460k, there's no way that's a dot lmao

so you're right

[hasty path]

Anything like 3K+

[south kayak]

wait, wasn't there a bug with gavel like this

or am i having deja vu

[hasty path]

Not even “high” imo

Just like… above weekly keys

[clever path]

3k is absolutely meaningless

thats like 23s/24s

[south kayak]

im 2650

[chrome plover]

same since week 2

[lucid dawn]

Just got aotc, but my dragonriding skin is still locked? Any ideas?

[young swan]

this is correct

[hasty path]

Yeah and to even get into those as off meta takes willpower and/or skill to get people to repeat invite you

[oblique trail]

thanks for not lying to me

x

[young swan]

ur welcome

x

[south kayak]

x

[modest condor]

x

[unreal onyx]

did you learn it?

[clever path]

shadowflame?

[young swan]

OH BOY FEEDBACK THREADS

[hasty path]

But the thing is as meta solidifies itself and you get higher up you just see less of those equivalent off meta players because they can’t get into groups

[young swan]

TIME FOR ANOTHER MANIFESTO

[south kayak]

surely it's gonna be sophisticated feedback

[lucid dawn]

I didn't get anything in my bag. Hmm.. So It's something I pick up and learn?

[oblique trail]

Gg NA feedback thread again

EUnerds ignored yet again

[clever path]

its a quest you turn into the lady in emerald dream @lucid dawn

[barren sedge]

It's a quest if I remember correctly

[lucid dawn]

ahhhh

[young swan]

give me your feedback and I will steal it and provide no credit

[lucid dawn]

ok

[south kayak]

make rampage 1000% better

thanks

are you taking notes

[young swan]

ok considering i want rampage nuked from orbit (or another spender added) i will not be doing that

[south kayak]

what the fuck is wrong with you?

rampage looks so cool

[young swan]

im based

[clever path]

make our executes hit harder

[clever path]

maybe slayer fixes that

[south kayak]

I can't see anything being as satisfying as rampage to press and see the animation

[young swan]

rampage makes the spec far too one-dimensional as the only spender

execute

easily

[south kayak]

no

[clever path]

how many points do we have

for the hero talents

[modest condor]

bring back rend for fury

[south kayak]

now thunder clap

[clever path]

back with mountain thane

[south kayak]

can put rend

[clever path]

[south kayak]

surely

[slim coral]

Bring back blade master

[clever path]

wait do yo uneed baseline rend

to apply rend with blood and thunder

[south kayak]

yes u do

[clever path]

uncap thunderclap

[south kayak]

only arms and prot have it

[clever path]

can put rend but well need some way to spread aoe, which prolly means TC

no way they make us use slam and TC in the next pach

[true sapphire]

Damage multiplier with rage consumption on execute, kinda like in the before time, would be very welcome. Clicking execute used to feel amazing.

[clever path]

next expansion*

[south kayak]

i like the ww animation

so that's gonna be sad

i wanna spin

not stomp

[clever path]

i mean

this seems cool in aoe

most likely

threat nightmare

again

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-gotta-blast-cartoon-gif-17449606

[south kayak]

meanwhile thunder blast does 2 more damage than TC

[clever path]

[gilded pawn]

And doesn’t apply rend

[rose swift]

I feel like the slayer will be more WW focused so that might be the play for you

[clever path]

i guess yeha

yeah*

[south kayak]

it seems likely that thane is m+ focused and slayer ST

so idk about that

[ember apex]

slayer is all about leeching and fast attacks

[slim coral]

We are warriors stop acting like a weakling

We love threat

[gilded pawn]

Do you get all 10 hero talents at 70

[slim coral]

[clever path]

true

[gilded pawn]

Whatever the max level is

[south kayak]

no

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/weak-weakness-disgusts-me-disgusted-disgusting-gif-17171223

[south kayak]

80

[slim coral]

80

[rose swift]

From what I've read, it's flavor more than power, so ot isn't like St and aoe, but more the aesthetic

[gilded pawn]

Ok but you do get all of it eventually

[clever path]

thats what they said

[south kayak]

well, it does seem to be aoe oriented

since it's all pretty much aoe

[cosmic lance]

Mountain thane just looks like enhancement shaman with extra steps

[clever path]

i think so

cause there are 2 choices per node usually

[clever path]

lol, based

[south kayak]

would be nice to see lightning strikes all over you

[clever path]

there are st and aoe choices

[south kayak]

when u press avatar

is this all in ptr or something?

[clever path]

the lightening would be a nice touch tho, to look at

maybe tblast does split damage so it does a fuck ton on st

[uncut stream]

Random question do you guys know if you use two emblems for the bad luck protection for the axe do they stack or is it better to wait til next week

[modest condor]

thunder blast ignores armor but does 70% of the damage of thunderclap so the damage gain is tiny anyway like condemn

[south kayak]

what is the fucking point man

just kill me

[oblique trail]

Think initially it looks like it'll be a good and interesting new iteration for AoE. I'm a bit curious what'll happen to WW in our rotation though since if TC applies the WW buff then it'll sorta have no room left, considering there are multiple TC resets and its CD is low enough to press it every 5th global.

[south kayak]

at this point

it should do more than double the damage of TC

to be exciting

this is not exciting

[young swan]

i believe the idea is to replace ww

like pointblank

[oblique trail]

Yeah I was thinking that too

[south kayak]

is this real

or are you pulling it out of your ass

[clever path]

Silmarilen has the hidden tech

[young swan]

silm just shitposting

[iron portal]

Hidden ass

[modest condor]

my uncle works at blizzard he told me

[iron portal]

No way

Mine too

[modest condor]

woah

[south kayak]

same wtf??

[true sapphire]

Mine said your uncles are liars.

[clever path]

my dad is bobby chilling on his yacht rn

[iron portal]

And you lurk on this discord

Guess your dad doesnt like you

[true sapphire]

Someone has to feed us misinformation.

[clever path]

they said the exact same thing with covenants

atleast you can switch freely

unlike covs

[young swan]

the only bad thing about covenants was that you couldnt switch freely

and renown grind

[ember apex]

I MISS conduit energy

[rotund steppe]

ban this man

[young swan]

excellent bait carlo

[ember apex]

🫡

[errant vessel]

They also weren’t tuned very well to individual specs

[south kayak]

it's an obvious bait

[hasty path]

I miss her, bro. But we all have to move on from our toxic relationships

[errant vessel]

Like venthyr was bis on balance but dog on feral

[south kayak]

[clever path]

real

[ember apex]

im not baiting im just joking

[plush juniper]

Slayer gang

[ember apex]

like im allowed to make a joke

[clever path]

i mean

i hate how

if you wanted to switch talents in sl

you had to either hearth back

[proud vessel]

What do you guys play in M+ Bloodcraze, Slaughtering Strikes or Fresh Meat?
And why? 😄

[clever path]

or

[south kayak]

No, that's illegal

[clever path]

use the tome

[ember apex]

they got rid of the tome

in shadowlands

at some point

[clever path]

to switch covs you had to hearth to zm fly to the cave

go to oribos

talk to the covenant

go back to zm

change your conduits

its so annoying

to change conduits you had to hearth back to zm

why

[south kayak]

stop

[ember apex]

i was engineer in SL so u just used engineer teleport. actually extremely strong in that expansion

[torn anchor]

Are we using sudden death procs whenever we get them or only when we need the rage and bloodthirst/rampage are down?

[south kayak]

bad design not to have it on a seperate tab in your talents

and an actual place u have to go to

[ember apex]

have u guys seen max change/view his talents

his talent tree is transparent kinda

[clever path]

legit imagine if it was just in talents and you could choose and it instantly swaps then in a separate tab you can change the soulbinds/conduits

[ember apex]

does anyone know what that is

[south kayak]

Yes I saw that

I wonder how do i make it like that

[clever path]

idk i have it in atrocity ui

[ember apex]

im not an elvui user

[south kayak]

do i sleep

[ember apex]

i stopped after SL

[south kayak]

or continue farming dagger

[ember apex]

it felt too heavy

[clever path]

it is but i cba not using atrocity ui

[south kayak]

anyone?

[clever path]

too used to it

[ember apex]

like the elvui package just used too much system resources

[clever path]

smf daggers??

[south kayak]

im a rogue

[clever path]

ye smf fury with daggers wannabe

[south kayak]

lmao

i got 3 pants in 3 keys in a row

it's bad

feels like i might not want to do this anymore

waste of time

just a minor dps anyway

[frozen lake]

You have discovered the deeper truth of wow

And life

[torn anchor]

farmed BRH for 27 runs this week to get the wep

[ember apex]

next expansion gear is BoA right?

[torn anchor]

finally done

[south kayak]

Not all of it

[frozen lake]

no lol

[ember apex]

for like ur warband or whatever

[frozen lake]

Imagine how terrible that would be

[ember apex]

why

less gear would go to waste

[rotund steppe]

imagine people rolling for gear with the " for my WB" excuse lmao

[ember apex]

WB?

[frozen lake]

Because then the more alts you could roll and funnel stuff to your main

[ember apex]

oh

warband

[frozen lake]

Would be a huge advantage

[ember apex]

no

it could only be like offpieces

[frozen lake]

Like having everything account bound would literally destroy the entire game

[ember apex]

like we have no cloth

who wants it for their mage alt or whatever

[clever path]

someone said arms is better than fury on mass pulls, this is true?

[south kayak]

yes

[clever path]

just the survivability sucks?

and st?

well arms has to talent for mass pulls

fury just kinda talents for everything

[ember apex]

arms loses a lot of ST tho doesnt it

[clever path]

yes

[frozen lake]

Fury is better than arms for keys at the moment

But just play whatever you like

[hasty path]

Tons

[clever path]

i like both, so i usually switch off. but this season i havent tried arms

[hasty path]

But arms ST also isn’t anything special without long execute phases