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check enchants?
Do you have a Gorehowl in your vault and you're trying to sim that together with another Gorehowl, without giving it alternatives
it's not simming the trinkets either, and it's smolderons sword in my vault π
got a great ember from lfr, that mean im f'ed for the week? xD
you still got chances from normal & hc
Of course! sharing is caring after all
Ah feels bad I had a socketed helm I wanted to catalyse
Ight kill me now first lego in our raid team went to a blood dk
is Might of the Ocean 489 worht it in m+ vs a 483 Rezan?
for the volocross whenre can you throw your spears to hit the boss?
Basically anywhere on the platform
His hitbox is massive
ty
yeah
Orange flavour text weapon acqusition
grats on the 1.5% passive damage
tyty
gratz xan
It's always in the vault
Yeah they hotfixed it to drop for all agi and str specs
Is that a fix tho? π
They changed it* :d
π
it's a strong trinket
especially in a season where the biggest block is living bosses
for some specs it's even bis in raid
like yeah sure the special effect can be considered a tank effect
but it's really just a stat stick like we had OCE last season
Ohh yeah.. Its STR on it aswell
Missed that part
Have Ocean and primal flame on herolvl so think I stay with that.
Pog
do you need the roots to die faster or the boss to die faster
if its prog imo signet prob better choice
pad is great for parses but hard to parse if you dont kill the boss
heroic tindral lol
only pad
the like, i am fighting with the rest of my raid tooth and nail to do the most damage to the roots
succ'd
the only way to parse heroic tindral is joining a bad pug
Can anyone explain to me why fury is better than arms when arms sims higher? At least from what Iβve seen if Iβm tripping pls let me know
actual 6head

it's ok in a HC pug now
so sure I get Augury, Signet and Lego
All in one run
i believe in u

Fury has a better damage profile for whats important in the later fights and once you approach 480~ it should pull by arms.
We have optional HC
lots of AoE in this raid, and the only ST fights line up really nicely for Fury burst; more so Smolderon
but I just cba with it because people are joining on alts and it turns into absolute shit show
yikes
Hmm thanks guys! I think part of it is i have a ton of the wrong stats and my offhand is 463. But thatβs okay all of my problems will go away when I get the legendary 
my ego destroyed
I wasn't there last reset but apparently they spent over 2 hours reclearing HC because of alts and people trolling on Fyrakk
like
I'm fine not being there for that xd
yea
we send full 30 man heroic
every week
mains + a couple frens
altho i think this week we might do skip
We're doing a full clear this week, but going forward just minimising to as few bosses as possible for Signet / Axe chance
I'd love to just do skip clear with guild on mains
But don't think that's happening for us in 5th reset
anyone know wat the catchup for leggo is in %?
Nope
the small and large itemss
No one knows
hmmmmmmmmm'
Not relevant either
its quite a bit better in the raid
is the stats still haste and mastery
P sure you want to dump a little bit into vers mastery
While keeping in mind that you want to be around 30% haste
Atleast
thats what I do
Stats aren't too important unless its like rings/neck
If it gives Str it more than likely will be an upgrade
Where does this come from? That's wrong.
You can condense all of those lines into just sim basically
ideal point seems to be closer to like 25-7%, but it's not that far off
Mastery + anything will be fine for Fury essentially
pretty much yeah
I say 30 cause thats my sweet spot
anything lower feels bad to me
Also around max ilvl probs gonna have that 30 natty
I never notice a difference unless it's like an 8%+ change
possible if you have really one-sided gearing and just get "lucky" with a lot of big haste drops, but you can craft out of haste or change gems to vers
Ye
at one point early in the teir I had like 42% haste, but quickly dropped it down
so about the leggo, i have like 35 plate characters that are lfr ready, should i just go do it and spend countless hours this week trying to get a leggo on one of the characters lol
Uh it depends
You going for HoF?
Cause if not
no
even in that case
Don't think its a big enough upgrade to sweat it
its big
but not spend 40 hours a week grinding it big
yeah i just want to do a test run, like make a story about the leggo, how many lfr attempts on alts till i get one from lfr haha
oh so it has dropped, nice
about to start making them wait to loot fyrakk and make them pray for it
how much haste are people at now
@sullen dove what boss is that?
im over haste cause of that sageheart ring
igira
Someone beat my fuckin Smolderon an hour after I got it
that sageheart ring is like 8% haste haha
oh wait i mean the other guy, the haste strong ring
i refuse to name swift in 2023
Finally!
i cancelled swift
I will fight you to the death
(I am not even close)
I have 2 of those weapon
Is it mythic or hc
myth lul
Because on HC it's literally impossible with any somewhat decent group to pad spears
def cant do that much dmg to it on heroic
hmm
game refuses to drop weapons in raid and dungeons and vaults for me, i feel like the people who make the game deliberately are trolling me
so now when do i pop oceon
spear dmg on heroic
Right before you use OF on Opener
mirror considered BIS for fury?
na
Or right before Avatar if mid fight and no OF ready with the rest of your CDs
oceon > reckless > charge > OF?
Reck + Charge -> Ocean + Rampage -> OF
Or Ocean after the Rampage
Either one works
yea that, wanna be enraged for of
ok, but rampage without WW?
oof, my finger aint that quick to pop 3 spell mid charge
oh yeah mb, aoe situation ..
according to wowhead it says u want haste/crit is our main stats?
Do I want to go one Wafting one sophic weap enchant?
should probably just listen to what everyone, including the guide writer, has told you
just realised I'm using might with avatar macro. we want to be popping that before first odyns prob instead? or
yea most of the time
yea well i wasnt sure man
its ok to like include in macro for use later in a fight where you dont do the funky opener and just sync it together
as in like leave in macro but also have a seperate bind for openers
ok ya its still mastery
stats change all the time, there's really no great guideline at these gear levels
hmmm ok i figured yea i know for arms haste/mastery is pretty good its been telling me there dmg increasers
i feel like i got way too much crit
simming 5 target
think its just the gloves and catalyst it no?
even tho the ring looks tempting aswell
bis ring....
id prob take ring, but i have gloves
Quick question, is it normal for sims to call for 2x wafting? Seems a bit off to me.
tough choice
i got it on 476 already
its fairly common now
okay but 480 is myth track and bis forever.....
again
tough decision
but gloves come from second boss
Does it stack, or just extend duration?
Enchants stack
i believe its just giga haste
How do we use our cde in raid guys? Do we go all in or what
Reck + Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> Spear/Roar -> BB -> Ramp -> BB -> Avatar -> Ramp -> BB and so on in the opener
Mid fight you do the same if you have OF ready with the rest of your CDs, if you don't have OF, you just Reck -> Avatar -> Spear/Roar
Bonzai is a man of many openers
curious that u have time to type here but not to read ur twitch chat...
very curious....
i answered???
Fair thanks
hmmm yea, i also got 476 gloves i was gonna catalyst for this week so its prob just the ring for now 
wait did u speak
bro has it on mute or sum
i did not hear it
Xan doesn't hear anything
Xan it's not his fault that he is flagrantly ignoring you
Too busy looking at his orange flavour text weapon
to pay attention to anyone else
no im waiting for 2.00 am
o idk on obs the mic bar isnt moving
I dont even know Xan but hes getting coocked
odd
check the source?
The source might be fucked
I had to double check because I use Nvidia Broadcast
And I have other mic inputs that aren't used but it just defaulted to
The source is ok, @sullen dove is a legend
i just fixed
idk
default wasnt set to headset for some reason
or like
it was set to "default"

but anyway its cuz i dont need loot from larry
okay literally false
i think i got all the mounts already
Ok let me fix
definitely worse than dota
Anything > Mobas
You have Gromnak in the wow section
Legendary questline fulltime job
its so bad actually
bis ring is only choice
just boring as piss
On Tindral now
its def kinda weird the monotonous dogshit you gotta do
Fyrakk will give me the orange flavour text weapon
here go do 20 superblooms for a legendary that is just a cantrip weapon with orange text
or to a 5th i mean
Great mog though
fume
At least more stats 
He just won Brand in front of me
honestly they just need to make the channel hasted or just make it so its fire and forget
so u can cast and move and shit
3s root is so dogshit
just unusable on the last 3 bosses
just tank damage
i saw firedup just let a whole beam pass over him
he ate like 4 ticks of it
surely if he can do it so can i

Make us immune during cast

doesnt mage have like a 70% dr or some shit
That sucks
I mean
It sucks but it's an overall increase regardless for the raid
So I don't care that much
er d stance and reflect is also 70% 
And it's way better he gets it than some randomer Billybob doing 5k dps
or 65%
Yeah, mage has ice block talent that reduces damage taken by 70% but you can cast during it
Arent defensive multiplicative ?
It's for sure not flat
True
I am flat
def not additive
does having an enhance shammy matter for parcing?
@oblique trail
Have you seen how much sub gets from it
whats the mastery and vers gems called?

Is he elemental
bruh

it's not that deep
I knew it
Btw wind fury isnβt the difference between a blue and a purple parse
ask for pi and aug buffs
Itβs you
i thought warcraft logs seperated that stuff?
wft isnt gonna be the difference between u getting good hc parses and not
I literally said this
anybody know whats supp with the head enchant quest
Why are you copying me
yea why hes copying you?
have you checked the quest guide?
Thatβs how he got yellow, copying people 

is it only zen malygite
Purple ainβt it
did you get an item? press it?
ye i did
yes whats the name
he already did that
u have to turn it in to the lady u got the quest from
merithra?
idfk
Yes
oh
Delete char
8k dps is almost like not having bshout wait thats so nuts
Try again
rip
Maybe thereβs different versions of her across the raid
it took me 7 tries to complete the leggo quest
hopefully after tindral
im expecting head enchant to work the same way
she shows up in a good mood
You have the axe?
yea
Why does everyone have it except me
Is signet better in keys than rezans?
No I'm doing a HC pug
because i won the 50/50 bro
Make another
I will have it in 10 minutes
anyone know numbers on overall with leggo ?
When I kill Fyrakk

does anyone actually know how much this blp works
i got like a 4% increase from it
i got 4 atm
on use or the dot?
dot
Itβs 50/50, either you get it or you donβt
but tit means surely there is a level when its almost 100%
Of course
You cant say 1 token = 3%
You can only count tokens and get mad if u reach idk 40
But no one knows how much it increases by per BLP item
And you don't need to know how much either
I got greater token
You'll keep killing him until you have it
like if in a few months time im sitting on 50 tokens and not getting im not gonna be just telling myself "oh well its 50/50"
Idk i got 2 from fyrakk 4 small ones or some shit
throne of tides 20
We'll see if thatll fix it
holy fuck that dot claps
shit legendary
dot is nice for sure
Yeah the DoT is unironically the biggest part of the weapon
So 4% not counting the ilvl diff with bis weapon
The on-use is pretty meh
Least ugly details breakdown hooly
as someone that averages a Roll number of 17 across 3 raids, you can understand my worry for this blp working
the on use is dog ass
Yeah..
why is it split damage......
nope when i simmed it was 4-5% st increase
Might be good for the other 2
Can you move during channeling? Like anvil
With no charge
No
How much did it cost to make @spare otter
it cost me 400k
I'm almost glad the legendary isn't insanely good. till I get it anyways π
Arghhhh
I still havenβt killed hc fyrakk on my warrior, how much is that worth
the on use is dps loss
I get that Blizz hates us
@oblique trail have u checked if its a loss to use in execute
Hopefully I get into a grp that can actually kill fyrakk with fully curved people 
Wouldn't the on use ve worth using during down time of cds
Feel like Iβm missing a lot of blp by not having him killed in hc
I thought the same
thats the only times its ever worth using
for wep enchants for fury what do we use?
sim it
sim it
Give me the sauce for the weapon in apl @oblique trail plz
do we use sophic
sim it
So i can go cook some cursed stuff
Do you think theyβre gonna buff the on use?
Track CD and add a Avatar buff trigger so it only glows when u dont have the buff or CD >3 sec 
they should
they should make it not split damage
If they haste the on use
doubt they do
Its a giga buff
And while they buff thatvmake fury do 200k dps more than everyone else
Look under the trinkets section and remove the Fyralath specific and the bottom line regarding main_hand on use
in the APL
Oh the line is already cook can check tonight then 
Will try and do an Exe sim in like 10-15 @young swan
Share cook when its done 
Assuming this mental asylum pug can kill Fyrakk
Banezi hit us up when fyrakk dies
bonzai legendary ink
Do we have Data on Dancing Blades vs Titanic Rage in higher (25 and above) keys in fortified weeks?
I feel like Titanic Rage just isnt it
dancing is almost always it
Dancing Blades is always better
I can feel it
There are very few exceptions where Titanic would be better
Thought so
pad in a +5
Titanic is just convenience ye
ez
Banezi, I can feel the axe
I don't
Did you get any thing good from vault
489 Chest converted to set π
I want the legendary to flex on a guy from my guild that bought hc boost first week of legendary just to not miss a week so I csn flex it
99% of the time, a pug at fyrakk qued up will never kill Jim
In my experience itβs better to join a fresh grp

Question for anyone who may know. Does Lariat proc for each Gem type or is it still best to only stack one gem type
Lorrgs.io / bigwigs / kill pov from ur class
Crits videos on the latter are very good
Depends on ur sim
I am asking if having differnt gems can proc different elements at the same time
hell yes
just had a massive bloom
got like 20 leaves
That makes sense. But I have seen a bunch of people with split gems and Lariat so I was wondering. They may be unrelated but I thought I would ask.
should finish tonight like halfway done the blooms or thereabouts
Finally got a heroic fyrakk kill and the tank main gets the legendary lol.
gg
At least I got mount.
I got 483 weps still xddddd
Just to make one of my ex guild members mad yes
okay thats fair
I still got a 476
He bought boosts to not miss hc
Same gear as last sim
And he haven't gotten jt
It's a 5 minute sim starting from 35%
im kind of surprised
Wasn't there something similar to the hit effect from the axe before
like that trinket from jaina
just to clarify, When I click this fuse item, she should get another quest compolete option over here head ?
Oh is 463 if that makes you feel better
@young swan how long does the entire questline take?
When you use the fuse item, you should get a quest you can just complete
is he dead yet
no lol
without talking to her?
people are shitters
yes
but when is it using active?
oh shit it's fyrakk lfr time
I can check but usually it's just after charge before CDs then every 2 minutes
thank u
Don't think Execute is different
oohhh
the bar looked so weird
@oblique trail β€οΈ lifesaver
not super long
soo, is the counterweight now any good?
depends how hard u grind/if u have the mats prestacked
i'll finish some time tomorrow
how does meat cleaver cleave work. is it based on targets near the target or targets near u
Hello, spiked counterweight is working right now well with furry or there still better options ?
In the Execute sim it does the same as a normal sim. Charge -> use wep -> CDs
I'm not smart enough to change the order of it
I only know how to delete important lines
I see
huh does it sim as a dps loss in execute then or nah?
oh that was the execute sim
mb
ig i'll try to use it more when i got no cds
its awkward af if you got no opening because of mechs, etc
there aren't a lot of great times for the sim to use it - early and it messes up your opening CDs, late and its delayed to hell
or at least very few
and yeah, several bosses can be tricky
cant imagine its much better on nymue, larodar, volcoross, council
nymue isn't too bad, as long as you're not trying to do it during beams
yeah that makes sense
Volcoross too, there are a few gaps where there isn't anything going on for a few seconds, though how well that aligns with your cds is π€·ββοΈ
cant even use it on the intermission adds which is.. awkward
council is a shit show on a good day
adds are pretty close to 1.5m apart, think it should line up on her fairly well if you use it before the first set of beams
and just don't bother tryin to hit the adds with it
i pretty much just used it after intermission
its crazy how hard you have to try to make a legendary pheasibly usable
unless i found an opening beforehand
feel like that shouldnt really happen
imo lego's are the one item where there shouldnt be kiss/curse effects
and if there are the kiss should be very fucking strong
but in this case i just dont see why we should be locked down for 3s unable to move or press buttons
makes 0 sense
yeah could at least let us do damage during it
it either needs to be shorter and hasted, or needs to be doing much more damage
yeah, that's what I mean
near the start of the fight, then after each intermission, before the stun beams spawn
*feasibly
yea makes sense
:)
gg NA education
but yeah; it's a bit of a combination of Fury hating downtime due to the whole CDR aspect
i dont know when you're gonna find an openinng to use it near the start of the fight tho
pop cds then once your cds run out
OF will most likely be back up anyway
I mean that's fine tbh, delaying OF is ok if you're not casting BT yet anyway
right now you usually get 4 OFs on Nymue before intermission, then it typically comes up a few seconds before Reck on the add, so if you fit the weapon in between OFs on the boss, it'll probably just mean you get that 5th OF with Reck instead of slightly misaligned, which is fine
mmm yea that would work
but dont lines spawn right around the time your cds run out when you pop them on pull?
@young swanAugury dropped but Billybob won it and no Axe either
anyone know how many raid bosses i gotta kill this week for the helm chant?
Reset already ruined
3
If you were at 40
gg kill billybob
as many as it takes to get 50 ephemera 
I will wring Billybob sooner or later
Normal time now ig
socket angle?
woooo
time to lfr and get smold wep
warrior vault 
i mean those boots are nice
bruh another shit vault
unfortunate
Hey so my warrior is almost level 70
Any advice on what items I should have crafted out the gate? And what stats
i had 463 boots so yeah
is 300 dps within margin
No, more like 200~
right
tysm
That damn 'rare' neck, has dropped for my guild at a 100% rate for every normal heroic and mythic kill we have had since launch
Transfering your character realms shouldnt reset your ember count for lego right?
Vers mast on both?

nicela
i hate myself too its ok

rip
but fyrakk and smold is bis for raid ofc, imagine there is room for it do go ahead on cd packs in burst for m+
doesn't even sim better than 476 peeper
Why not craft back ans upgrade the wrist
check my weapon
I have 2 483 I think
I'll upgrade the wrist tho
Yes you should 
What's your main
rogue
Fair then it's not too important
gonna sim some trinkets to see if there's a big increase
Im assuming that the reason fury is ahead is just the pure scaling with items this teir right?
no the fights are just better for us
and the tier being ST focused doesn't hurt
fury and arms sim very very close to each other
played arms for first couple weeks but when i swapped i realised items like fyrakk trink was simming from a .5% upgrade to like a 4% upgrade when i was on the sim base dps sim
why is the art for piecring challenge the condemn logo
\
Condemn is back baby
lets goooo
oh shit condemn is back
surely they change the art for spear
Hmm... I already have crafted bracers and three great trinkets. Do I take the boots with avoidance, or a socket?
all my homies miss condemn
i don't
Condemn fuck sucks
the cata for boots is your bis so no harm in getting myth track now
Oh I didn't even think of that, thanks for the hint. I'll take the boots then
is this bad sim for my ilvl


I may be trolling a tad but ill always go for an item i know is like end of xpac bis atm over an item that possibly sims a bit higher at current
aslong as isnt like a stupid amount better
no brand or augury 
i got normal
same
is my sim decent for my ilvl
check dms
whats the highest sim that weve seen here?
idk
probably d2's
if it makes you feel any better we have a dk thats done 6 keys since launch and he won the heroic brand over 4 people with m+ trinkets because it simmed a bigger upgrade 
ah classic
bad loot council
hes noting like "9k" dps upgrade and im sat there with rezan and the hourglass trink from doing 35 keys in the first week thinking how tf can i beat it

@chrome plover i've got 4p on 5 chars now
Hey guys I have question about stats, why is crit so low priority ? How much % do I need ? Currently got 20%.
did we get catalyst this week?
charlie im halfway done my super blooms
generally speaking crit is the worst stat for fury
but obviously they all vary in importance based on gear
you should just follow sims

you got it? Wtf
Yeah but CSHB ?
Iβm rocking up to raid after work with no helm enchant, no legendary, no aspects crests
0 parses
Seems counter intuitive not to look for crit
Cshb is 1 talent
its not so important that we need to stack crit, additionally we have a ton of ways to supplement crit
out of like 50
reck, bloodcraze, tier 2 set
well doesxn't our tier make bb 100% crit
?
all of those devalue crit
need to leave for work at 6:25 to not be late, left at 6:30 and was late but do not worry ive done my superbloom and all weekly quests and many vault sims like a chad #fuckcasuals
because they give us crit without taking up an item slot
Itβs not dk channel
UH 4p owns tho
ban
instant 4p for alts now thatβs quite nice
Question, would you guys take being top spec by like 10% but you getting that giga nerf eventually, or are we happy being decent but shit enough that we dont really get nerfs for a teir?
do heroic fyrakk
Hopefully youβre using the item for rares on the boss of the Superblolm. You can also join a big group, leave and phase into your sever then join another group if youβre lucky and loot 3x bosses. It only took me like 4 doing it this way
but instant enough
π°
Yeah 3 guarrented crit every 30 seconds
How do the BLP actually work. Should i be doing LFR normal and HC fyr?
what the fuck lmfao
thats insane
whats the tech for elites? i dont think ive gotten any items
Did you turn in all 3 quests?
Yeah im wondering with this blp is it worth killing fyrakk to get the 100% chance increase token then killing on heroic or does it not work like that?
which quests
Sooo 25% haste, and then focus on vers / mastery ??
You shouldnβt got 3 quests, each you had to go talk to someone
oh yeah been done those
if I get 4p on my dk it'll be 6 chars with 4p, at this point in Sepulcher I wasn't even 4p on my main @chrome plover 
So you got the 50 items from rares?
ye
Ah kk
done that, done the item munching
I found out AFTER my super blooms the bosses counted
just have blooms left
yep new catalyst nice
thats about how my raidbots sims, after 25%ish it starts weighting master/vers, and at 60% mastery vers is BIG now.
Yeah, join a group in custom, do it real quick with them. Boss dies loot it, leave asap, there might be one going on your server then you can kill that and loot and hopefully find another in LFG
I had the 50% thing and got like almost 75 i think in 1 round like that lol
And i have 4 of the quest items in my inventory for when the next guild is gets it so i can use the item on them and they can finish it then buff themselves
is the 50% thing perma? like if someone uses it on you is it just there forever
kk
yeah thats insane
well hopefully i shaves a couple hours off
this is my last bloom before bed
Ok ty I will change that. My 2 craft were crit haste I will go for mastery vers. And hope I got the augure in the vault today 
Def can did not take me long
especially with how many the boss gives
like 7 each time or thereabouts
that is good lore
what you tryna do
legodairy
ah
π
Nah
should i kill it before my guilds raid incase of hotfix
Just rng bro
i was "stuck" with Mirror and Core-Crusted 483, farmed Rezan and Might of the ocean and never drops. And last week was my first Fyrakk heroic kill.
how are 4 dropping on week 2
it double dips with spear
Its week 3
when its rng like what 25% of the group getting it
yeah but like with blp in place
since mythic kill
Thats what rng is
i know an evo which missed out on m+ title from not getting the leggo with a heroic kill or 26 weeks
now 4 warriors getting it drop in week 3
i like the difference
are those really 4 warriors
could be a paladin or a dk in there
do you loot the legendary or does it pop when the boss dies?
@young swan
u loot it
Should the 4th set piece be a head or hand?
take helm since it's myth track
but ring is bis
I mean he can get 4p another time
and mythic track 4p at that
the ring is gonna be alot harder to get later on
plus in our full bis it isnt even the teir helm that we use thats the atal helm
true
the only item in that vault he will have and end of xpac is the ring
It's incredibly minor which tier and off pieces you use
already have 4p but 2p 489 2p hero 483 and ring also here 483 and signet of titanic 476
Like
0.1%~difference minor
Between 5 tier pieces and 4 tier pieces + 1 off piece
yeah and that can come into effect if you farming but when you just have the free choice, judging by vault also he isnt mythic raiding so just as a standard getting myth track rings are gonna be alot harder than getting myth track teir
long term a better choice
then [Molten Vanguard's Domeplate] or [Arch-Druid's Tainted Seal] , I will run the sim. Thanks for your suggestions. appreciative
using slam instead of RB...so complicated it hurts my 2 brain cells
Your brain isn't really put under stress very often then is it
How is that ring bis? It sims worse at 489, than my current rings on 483
do ur current rings have sockets
it is not
The head wins, I hope I find a ring later π
take the ring for the long run
.............
this is how that ring is bis
Thanks, simming them all with sockets now. Since I have that ring in my vault...
This is the exact same run the other guy who posted was in
same names lmao
Here
is gnarlroot off hand bis with leggo included now?
previously sims where goregowl and smolderon weapon in of
doesnt matter what bis is unless you have the exact same gear, for you it might not be
i guess so, idk i didnt run the sims
I really need that ring from dht man
Hi all. The opener and rotation-guidelines on Wowhead and Icy-veins are good yeah?
All these discussions confused me π¦ then I take the ring π thanks!
ye
May not be ahead rn but will be in longrun, a bis m+ ring is alot harder to get over any teir
where is my gz
almost done....


