Maybe they fixed it
#fury
covert blaze
gilded pawn
The keyword is shouldn’t
fading bane
signet is also fire dmg tho tbf
covert blaze
Yeah no one is gonna argue against that
chrome plover
I think it does yeah
havoc sims for these kind of trinkets are always 9348294892x mine 
gilded pawn
Imagine not rigging sims on wow audit
stark apex
start throwing your sims if your guild only bases that shit off sims
chrome plover
what's wow audit
chrome plover
start throwing your sims if your guild only bases that shit off sims
they dont
chrome plover
oh we dont have that
just a series of horribly vandalised google sheets
and pinned discord messages
fading bane
should only compare between the ppl its bis for
gilded pawn
What’s where I whip out my shadowlands phial
eternal sundial
We had that and then some dh simmed their 424 s1 reach ring without Stones
fading bane
no mages or boomkins or whatever in the convo
eternal sundial
Very funny
stark apex
we use it as a baseline, but i would say its about 20% of decisions making
eternal sundial
Moonkin do not deserve loot 🗣️🗣️
stark apex
hey everyone needs a moonkin on council so you arent there for 24 hours
chrome plover
no mages or boomkins or whatever in the convo
our boomkin has been forced to play feral on tindral
he's one of us now
mossy fox
Imagine not rigging sims on wow audit
im always taking Ls because im ethical...
eternal sundial
I hate the 3 we have any how
stark apex
crit way too ethical
gilded pawn
You got any bfa trinkets crit
urban tapir
im always taking Ls because im ethical...
🤣
mossy fox
uh yeah?
stark apex
just make the fight length 9 minutes so signet looks better
mossy fox
urban tapir
crit you gotta pass on that hero/normal loot im tellin ya 
its the tech to have the sims cooked for mythic
chrome plover
Just whip out the bfa rezans
they wont suspect anything when they see +40k dps trinket 2
gilded pawn
They wouldn’t
mossy fox
idk how cooked the sim was but a dk with 483 signet simmed a 489 signet as a 2.5k upgrade on wowaudit
chrome plover
"it's just really good i swear"
urban tapir
that was hilarious
mossy fox
meanwhile the same upgrade for me was 1.3k
urban tapir
My siggy simmed for 4.5k cuz my 2nd trinket wasnt insane
🤣 👆
terse ether
Arms or fury for Council ?
eternal sundial
Thankfully ill not replace this till mythic one
urban tapir
i think the biggest prob is people who put in no work get the biggest upgr on the mythic sheet, and a lot of times they arent even hitting their previous sim dps
modest condor
what is wowaudit even
urban tapir
obv a loot council problem in the end
eternal sundial
what is wowaudit even
Upload sims into and itll tell u which uploaded sim is the highest gain for X item
molten relic
Might’ve gone down a bit now that I have more gear but not sure
mossy fox
p sure guilds just have ppl send their droptimizer sim to wowaudit
eternal sundial
Psure augury is relegated to a prot trinket for me
mossy fox
then officers get an overview of who needs which bosses/upgrades
terse ether
It seems most people play arms for Council
covert blaze
oh we dont have that
molten relic
Bad fight
clever path
then officers get an overview of who needs which bosses/upgrades
ye
What stats should i get for my cloak craft as a fury warrior M+? 0 raid
honestly its a nice tool
if sims werent rigged
99% of the time
plucky ice
its good if ppl know whats bis for who
clever path
people just rig sims so its impossible to get an actual idea of whats good and what isnt
people sim 421 trinkets in droptimizer
and then 483 signet is a 19 million dps upgrade
clever path
i wouldnt base loot distribution on it but its nice to know
molten relic
Gotta put it on when a trinket drops
stark apex
thats why you can base all of it on sims either, that and if its someones 4th bis trinket and they replace with something they are not farming, then u dont give it to them
plucky ice
also doing sub 150k dps while alive whole time should disqualify you for trinkets
bruh that aint gonna help with ur dps
stark apex
i mean if its a passive trinket it kinda does though
thats a passive damage buff to the raid
red sky
With titanic rage, should i still make sure im enraged b4 pressing OF? or does the enrage that OF provides already buff that same OF?
stark apex
not saying they get it first, but like everyone needs loot
warm crag
dont need to be enraged for titanic rage OF
royal trench
Any particular reason to choose night elf as a race for Warrior (most high key warriors are Night elves), any advantage to it or it is just the shadow-meld?
clever path
With titanic rage, should i still make sure im enraged b4 pressing OF? or does t...
if u had to enrage first that would kinda kill the point
of running tr
red sky
Well it would certainly suck, but it wouldnt kill the point since the enrage would buff the abilities afterwards
but thanks for the answer
warm crag
Any particular reason to choose night elf as a race for Warrior (most high key w...
i see mostly dwarves lol
stark apex
Any particular reason to choose night elf as a race for Warrior (most high key w...
when u pull threat in keys, nelf to give threat to tank is really helpful on top of anything needing to be skipped - then their 1% crit or 1% haste is a nice to have
flat sapphire
Or you become a panda like me
warm crag
you shouldn't be pulling threat with current fury vs current tank tuning
stark apex
Or you become a panda like me
double food
stark apex
you shouldn't be pulling threat with current fury vs current tank tuning
it happens in every key
warm crag
then your tank is shite or you press OF as your first global before the tank even gathered anything
stark apex
neither
flat sapphire
I usually only pull aggro on my main target every now and then
stark apex
i have pulled off several things even 20 seconds into a pull
flat sapphire
I've done that too but then the group disbands first boss cause tank don't know what to do
modest condor
if you're pulling aggro 20 seconds into a pull then the tank either died, melded or got cced
eternal sundial
Any particular reason to choose night elf as a race for Warrior (most high key w...
Drip
Main thing tbh
Any race just for drip
stark apex
nelf look way better in plate gear than dwarf
chrome plover
I play goblin
warm crag
if you want to optimize for m+ go dwarf its not even close
chrome plover
for the drip
stark apex
if it wasnt for that i would probably be playing dwarf
acoustic furnace
forgot Draenei
stark apex
night elf male
eternal sundial
Human for tree boss
eternal sundial
night elf male
Wrong answer
molten relic
Human racial for stuns is useful
warm crag
no its not lol
plucky ice
nelf male is only good for death screams
warm crag
literally only mechanics you can dodge stun you in a human raciable way
stark apex
Wrong answer
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Potatosoupw
my dude looks badass, you aint changing my mind buster
clever path
no one likes belf?
raw shuttle
cries in tree boss from wm
plucky ice
how do you dodge treeboss stun as fury
eternal sundial
literally only mechanics you can dodge stun you in a human raciable way
Tree boss
plucky ice
you dont
eternal sundial
But it's also swaggy as hell that u sim high
warm crag
you have only one example lol
stark apex
in terms of best racials for raid its probably between human and dwarf and m+ is just dwarf probably though
fading bane
Dwarf is just better for raid too
warm crag
its just dwarf
stark apex
human stat bonus is really really solid
eternal sundial
Dwarf looks dumb tho
fading bane
Lines on Nymue is the only us of Human racial really
eternal sundial
Gnome is funny 
plucky ice
cant play dwarf without noggenfogger or something
fading bane
Dwarf is as good or better for dps
eternal sundial
I rlly like gnome from transmorph idk if i could main it tho
clever path
gnome i feel like i cant even see in raid
rich jasper
guys is there a reason not to cast thunderous roar before OF?
wouldn't it increase OF's dot?
fading bane
gnome i feel like i cant even see in raid
you also drown in puddles
fading bane
wouldn't it increase OF's dot?
the talent increases bleed dmg overall, not when TR is ticking
chrome plover
wouldn't it increase OF's dot?
it doesnt increase OF's dot
rich jasper
the talent increases bleed dmg overall, not when TR is ticking
Hmmmmmmm makes sense
chrome plover
guys is there a reason not to cast thunderous roar before OF?
you get the avatar from OF to make roar do more damage :)
clever path
i switched to gnome once, i didnt like it after 2 days and blizz let me change it for free lol
rich jasper
you get the avatar from OF to make roar do more damage :)
but avatar just increases the initial hit, not the ticking dmg right?
tho I assume it's substancial either way
chrome plover
pretty sure it increases all the damage idk
why wouldnt it increase the ticking damage
rich jasper
not sure, I remember reading about it somewhere
stark apex
ticking damage is dynamic
rich jasper
time to science
chrome plover
avatar wont increase trinkets and shadowflame patch for example
but increases anything that's part of our class/spec
like roar dot
rich jasper
avatar wont increase trinkets and shadowflame patch for example
Yeah I'm aware of that
I'll test this shit out, pretty sure I remember smth about avatar not increasing dot, but I could be wrong as usual
chrome plover
even if it did only work on the initial hit, it'd still be worth using OF before roar
no reason to use it after
ember apex
does anyone here have leggo
chrome plover
but yeah test it out, ive never heard of that but maybe it's a thing
ember apex
just looking for # of boss pulls u had approx when u got it
rich jasper
mhm, I didn't realize the talent makes dot do more dmg overall, not during roar only
chrome plover
does anyone here have leggo
lots of people
molten relic
not me tho
ember apex
whats the avg # of boss kills that people w/ the legendary have
rich jasper
bruh
rich jasper
lmao
molten relic
lol
ember apex
how many boss kills u think he has
ember apex
minus anyone who is CE
molten relic
how many do you expect him to have
ember apex
im not talking about CE ppl
modest condor
???
chrome plover
yeah im also confused at the question
ember apex
there's ppl w/o CE who have it
stark apex
how many weeks has the patch been out bro
chrome plover
are you having a stroke
modest condor
people without CE dont magically have more resets
stark apex
literally only 2 chances so far thats it
chrome plover
what is happening
pseudo carbon
anyone got the weapon rune sim code?
molten relic
bruh asked how many boss kills on average for leggo
for the people who have it
when it's been 2 resets
ember apex
ok here's the question restated.
If you have legendary you are CE or not CE.
Of the people who are NOT CE but also have legendary.
Across ALL difficulties and across ALL bosses how many boss kills TOTAL do those players have
chrome plover
4
ember apex
not just fyrakk
molten relic
It doesnt matter how many difficulties
stark apex
18
spring geyser
At least 4
molten relic
only heroic and mythic give lessers
stark apex
9+9=18
ember apex
what about normal and did they spam LFR too
molten relic
is same as 2 norm and 2 heroic
ember apex
like thats what im asking
stark apex
bro im working rn i just did the 14th edit, give me a break 😭 🤣
ember apex
am i behind besides mythic difficulty
rich jasper
but yeah test it out, ive never heard of that but maybe it's a thing
I scienced it, it does increse dot, I was wrong
spring geyser
Mythic and heroic are the only difficulties that drop lesser embers, so normal and LFR boss kills can be ruled out with the exception of fyrakk
chrome plover
but srs
to answer seriously our warrior had
2x normal fyrakk (irrelevant)
2x heroic fyrakk
16x other heroic bosses
8x mythic bosses (I think)
ember apex
like im approaching 100 boss kills in the raid and still no leggo. im getting anxious as fuck
stark apex
dude, the legendary is like a 1% and chances are the lesser give 0.01% or some shit, just get lucky and stop worring about boss kills
stark apex
like im approaching 100 boss kills in the raid and still no leggo. im getting an...
holy cuss
rich jasper
100 boss kills what
eternal sundial
Who cares Lego either drops or dont
rich jasper
what
chrome plover
like im approaching 100 boss kills in the raid and still no leggo. im getting an...
you've been getting more resets than the rest of the world at least
modest condor
what does killing random bosses that are not fyrakk have to do with getting the lego?
stark apex
lmfao
chrome plover
what does killing random bosses that are not fyrakk have to do with getting the ...
heroic + mythic for the "lesser" gummies
ember apex
idk how are ppl getting it that arent CE like how many bosses are they killing
fading bane
since axe dropped
blp started when raid launched, not when RWF killed Mythic Fyrakk
stark apex
this boy is thick
chrome plover
idk how are ppl getting it that arent CE like how many bosses are they killing
do you know how chances and probabilities work
like at alll
past pivot
like im approaching 100 boss kills in the raid and still no leggo. im getting an...
You might be waiting months and still not get it. Should lower your expectations.
molten relic
blp started when raid launched, not when RWF killed Mythic Fyrakk
the BLP items didnt drop until after tho?
spring geyser
like im approaching 100 boss kills in the raid and still no leggo. im getting an...
My brother in Christ it’s the beginning of the tier effectively
modest condor
does this guy think that repeatedly killing a boss during the same week gives him more chance or something?
rich jasper
idk how are ppl getting it that arent CE like how many bosses are they killing
My man you get one shot at the drop per reset
stark apex
does this guy think that repeatedly killing a boss during the same week gives hi...
seems like it
thick
clever path
i got 1 lesser BLP from LFR
what
molten relic
from LFR
ember apex
i did
fading bane
i got 1 lesser BLP from LFR
no you didnt
ember apex
yeah i posted a screenshot in my guild discord about it
when i was trying to get tier
week 1
stark apex
It literally only drops in Heroic/mythic
i got a lesser in normal
clever path
week 1
fading bane
but lessers didnt drop week 1
rich jasper
week1
modest condor
this man is high
fading bane
bro is 
olive wraith
His dad works at blizz
clever path
bro is about to send a fragment of the emberscar
molten relic
so
heres the thing
kill heroic fyrakk each week
and u either get axe
or you dont
past pivot
His dad works at blizz
By blizz you mean Dairy Queen?
ember apex
ive been doing that and i dont have it
stark apex
2 chanes so far, thats it
ember apex
we're on smolderon bro
spring geyser
Bruh
ember apex
im dyin out here
molten relic
theres like
chrome plover
this is the highest quality bait
molten relic
50 people
spring geyser
Is this a bait
molten relic
with the axe
modest condor
Is this a bait
has to be
stark apex
it cant be
molten relic
and 49 of them are paladins
fading bane
peak bait
stark apex
i choose to believe the average warrior player is this thick
stark apex
i would say 80% of warrior players have brain damage
ember apex
It's not a bait but I woke up this morning worrying about not having it. Idk what else I can do to work towards it
spring geyser
Career warrior here. Can confirm I am somewhere on the spectrum of moderate to acute brain damage.
past pivot
It's not a bait but I woke up this morning worrying about not having it. Idk wha...
You can’t.
ember apex
Can I prevent the other warrior in my guild from getting it before me somehow
clever path
what the fuck
modest condor
yeah this is a troll
fading bane
stark apex
It's not a bait but I woke up this morning worrying about not having it. Idk wha...
i hope you get the axe 13/3/24
spring geyser
Just kill mythic fyrakk to increase your chances 
molten relic
modest condor
he's playing in the hyperbolic time chamber
spring geyser
If you want it that bad just get good
warm crag
yeah this is a troll
please stop implying phd_in_dps is a troll
modest condor
im not implying it im explying it
manic gulch
just slap fyrakk and take his axe
ember apex
OK ty for the reassurance
meager void
i feel theres some language barrier with punished charles here
stark apex
brother go get a lobotomy
meager void
but he cray cray, nonetheless
warm crag
carlo is american
ember apex
Guys I'm just trying to bring some Christmas cheer to ur morning.
stark apex
carlo is american
oh 100%
ember apex
carlo is american
Thank you. You too.
warm crag
please do not insult me like that
red peak
I'm new to this so literally got no idea.
I just assume do shit and maybe it happens
past pivot
Can I prevent the other warrior in my guild from getting it before me somehow
With that karma, you’re now assured to get it last. Tell the other warrior in your guild Grats. He’ll get it tomorrow just because you’re a bad sport. lol
astral path
Alr have shadowflame wrists/cloak. Should I craft the allied wrists or flavour pocket ring next?
past pivot
Alr have shadowflame wrists/cloak. Should I craft the allied wrists or flavour p...
W/e your little heart desires.
stark apex
please do not insult me like that
have u heard of the band Shpongle? every time i see your name i think of it
spring geyser
Alr have shadowflame wrists/cloak. Should I craft the allied wrists or flavour p...
Ring imo, especially with QoL that flavor pocket brings. If you need a vers/mastery ring with big ilvl and socket you’re not getting one anywhere else outside of crafting it
swift siren
is dungeon slice sim ok for M+ or should I do the old 3-5 boss sim?
dense elbow
It is alright. I would just do a 1t and a 5t, infer from there based on needs
unreal onyx
is it giga-secret tech if I use elemental shatter in raid?
or m+
mostly raid since the buff is only 10min
or does it not work in raid
clever belfry
please do not insult me like that
clown
mild raven
hey guys, i'm a bit stuck with my sims.
raidbots wants me to socket mastery+crit but every warrior has mastery+vers sockets.
could someone lend me a quick hand?
https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackmoore/Sadex
unreal onyx
bc shattered earth is +421 mastery or other secondaries
swift siren
is it just me or is Dancing Blades simming better than Titanic Rage for m+?
somber token
Unless they buff TR the gain to OF damage isn’t really worth it. Bite the bullet and learn dancing blades
Good ST and equal AOE
chrome prism
does anyone know how the bad luck protection works on the legendary?
Like for example does getting the ember on normal increase the odds it drops on a heroic kill that same week?
ember apex
ok im an expert in this subject
the BLP permanently increases ur chances of getting the item
dense elbow
We suspect it is hidden and token is placebo, chance is added in reset
gilded pawn
Real
molten relic
Based on them saying that doing the highest difficulty only is sufficient. I’d say blp doesn’t affect current reset
It also said “cumulative chances and BLP for future weeks”
rotund steppe
We suspect it is hidden and token is placebo, chance is added in reset
i wouldnt be suprised
molten relic
So take that how you want it
chrome prism
Whos dad works at blizzard here?
molten relic
Where’s Carlo
ember apex
so non-AOTC andys are still getting BLP increases despite never killing H-Fyrakk?
im here
ember apex
i believe it
molten relic
Because normal kills give BLp token too
chrome prism
but you get a second token when you kill him on heroic
molten relic
But if you kill heroi first, you don’t get a normal blp token
chrome prism
even if you got one on normal
molten relic
but you get a second token when you kill him on heroic
Yes but not the other way around
chrome prism
ohhh
molten relic
The heroic token gives cumulative
ember apex
is LFR fyrakk gonna drop BLP token
molten relic
Surely
unreal onyx
propably
molten relic
But doesn’t matter
unreal onyx
but it's not gonna be worth it if you kill nm or hc after
ember apex
im banking on the BLP token being coded incorrectly and they are all cumulative
molten relic
Sure
terse ether
YOu see, this is what I don';t understand.
Augury is fucking broken, but sims favour Rezan's EYE ?
why..
unreal onyx
I wouldnt be surprised if it doesn't work rn
molten relic
The tokens are 100% placebo
unreal onyx
echoes of ephemera still dont work correctly
dense elbow
I rather throw 3 d100s rolling for a 1. Than 1 d100 for a 1-3. Fight me
unreal onyx
if I dont get 50 by next weeks clear im gonna be mad
molten relic
I rather throw 3 d100s rolling for a 1. Than 1 d100 for a 1-3. Fight me
I mean
One heroic kill should be rolling 3 times
Doesn’t matter if u do normal for two rolls, or each difficulty for 1 roll each
ember apex
i unironically believe that either tokens are placebo, or they're coded incorrectly to be cumulative +BLP. the thing i believe least is blizzard's stated position on the subject
fading bane
they have confirmed its working as intended
dense elbow
they have confirmed its working as intended
They said that about legion legendaries as well
molten relic
And be benched for mythic because everyone else has it but you
flat sapphire
how much mastery you all got?
ember apex
it will be Carlo Incarnate or somethin once i get it
dense elbow
how much mastery you all got?
9999
molten relic
And by then we’ll all be dead
ember apex
maybe carlo the redeemed i gotta think about it
unreal onyx
how much mastery you all got?
36
ember apex
yeah true im gonna get it in 5 years when i go to raid on my level 130 warrior and ww fyrakk down to 0 hp in 1 hit
ornate gust
Is there a reason of using Odyn's Fury before Avatar?
warm crag
ye your tier set reduces of cd
dense elbow
If we stack versa to live, how do other classes manage
terse ether
Flask + runes
dense elbow
Not 20% avoidance? Shame
late escarp
Flask + runes
what runes do you use?
ember apex
i think most bruhs are using hissing runes
fallen rune
Got a question:
If i use rampage and i get enough rage back for another rampage, do i skip the Bloodthirst procc, or do i use bloodthirst - > might overcap on rage -> and use rampage afterwards?
ember apex
yeah use BB proc
spring geyser
BB > everything
ember apex
yeah but also dont listen to me tbh
spring geyser
Unless OF is back up
terse ether
what runes do you use?
Mastery
green furnace
so when excatly do we wanna use the legendary on-use?
ember apex
whenever u get the legendary that's when i'd start using it
that's just me personally tho
dense elbow
Ppl say, on pull and whenever you don't have any CDs running
dense elbow
the on use part of it
Read above 
green furnace
spare otter
Ppl say, on pull and whenever you don't have any CDs running
why would you use on pull
seems really troll tbh
unless you're purposely delaying your cds for mechs later on
clever belfry
bl@st more burst
spare otter
seems a waste to be using leggo active on that when you can pop cds
dense elbow
Nop
spare otter
afaik the active isnt hasted
dire badge
oh no clue
dense elbow
DoT is, not onuse
green furnace
yea on-use is flat 3 seconds
dire badge
prob just to get 3 min cd rolling or however long it is
spare otter
yea fr
molten relic
If leggo is doing less than u can do in that 3 seconds
dense elbow
Prob, guess most fights have you waiting a few sec anyhow, for spears/adds
molten relic
Maybe u can do it after ur second OF when bloodlust is rolling off
spare otter
i mean for tindral i use it on pull
molten relic
Adds do give it extra damage which is nice
spare otter
since i save cds for adds anyway
molten relic
But I don’t have it so idfk
green furnace
i mean for tindral i use it on pull
yea, just wondering when to time it for smolderon
kind fjord
for m+ is might of the ocean/augury the move? also have pips, sandglass, and embersoul
dense elbow
Still bad value, as you got to build it and adds gotta live for build and 3sec channel
spare otter
yea, just wondering when to time it for smolderon
when you have nothing up
you need to use cds straight away for smold
summer quail
for m+ is might of the ocean/augury the move? also have pips, sandglass, and emb...
That's what i use. Feelsgood
green furnace
you need to use cds straight away for smold
yeye, but surely saving it for the first intermission is good
kind fjord
That's what i use. Feelsgood
ty
spare otter
yeye, but surely saving it for the first intermission is good
nope because ur cds will be back up for that
kind fjord
yeah I dislike it's 2 min CD
molten relic
Bad cd. Minute downside
And we don’t really need the haste
Least might and augury give a stat we like
grave wind
Does the axe has the same ilvl regardless of normal/hc/mythic?
green furnace
do you not have time to pick up the orbs and use the channel before your spear is back up tho
kind fjord
pips sims higher than augury when paired with might, but I think that's just cuz of the STR on the trinket
split coyote
For the leggo owners, the superbloom part, can you be in a full raid group while your friend gets the bags for the buffs for you?
molten relic
Does the axe has the same ilvl regardless of normal/hc/mythic?
Yes always 496
spare otter
do you not have time to pick up the orbs and use the channel before your spear i...
uhhh maybe idk i delay orbs and pick them up roughly when my cds come back up
green furnace
uhhh maybe idk i delay orbs and pick them up roughly when my cds come back up
yeye i do the drop orbs in the back tech aswell. just wondering if it can be done
cause surely getting the +50% is worth
instead of getting the cd rolling
fickle bluff
youd use it on pull, orbs at 3min and final orbs at 6min
green furnace
you need spear+ava pull
spare otter
or get 6 empowered BBs
green furnace
spear ava does more dmge
molten relic
Active in leggo does less than ur regular rotation
So just use it when ur not during cds I guess
It’s just a Feelsbad bc in 3 seconds u can bb or bt twice
And that’s cdr for ur oF
green furnace
yea i'll test some stuff out, but thank you for the ideas gents
dense elbow
Hey if it all crits, you win some DPS
spare otter
feel like the only definitive answer
chilly fractal
Yea it’s a slot machine
spare otter
is to use when u have nothing up lol
green furnace
is to use when u have nothing up lol
yea
dense elbow
It wont
spare otter
yea its cringe
pallid cipher
molten relic
Prob even that alone
dense elbow
Cause BDK post complaint
molten relic
Would be nice
spare otter
thing is
even when you have nothing to press
you cant even use active sometimes
because you get rooted for 3 secs and that could kill you lol
just seems so trash ngl
red berry
honestly the legendary just feels terribly designed for what it’s supposed to be yeah
dense elbow
Just ask for painsupp and BoP/spellwarding
olive wraith
the life of a carry
ember apex
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#boss=2824&search=items.206448
here's the 3 mythic smolderon logs w/ leggo lulw
spare otter
the life of a carry
WHAT
dense elbow
It kinda feels like they wanted it to stack up, then go crazy... then the number guys came in and said "this need a cap for m+", and that is the story
red berry
the DK lmao
olive wraith
That’s bear sir
red berry
ah well. free weak ass dot on everything ig
gilded pawn
Unholy isn’t easy to play in uncoordinated pugs
dense elbow
In a dung? Without optimal DK pulls? Yea, you beat em
olive wraith
Didn’t expect to be 60k above though
gilded pawn
I’m not joking when I say I can beat bicep pumps in a 20
spare otter
that demo lock shouldnt be doing that much dmg
gilded pawn
If neither of us knows the route
olive wraith
Isn’t demo good
spare otter
yea it's sleeper op
dense elbow
Fury don't need to know nothing, fury is perfect for pugs 
ember apex
i feel like demo will either slam on bosses in M+ or slam on trash but never on both
spare otter
tell that to the people who wont invite you
ember apex
i havent done too many keys w/ locks this season thio
dense elbow
Just bring trash under the boss, combine!
olive wraith
Convinced the group to stay for a 20 brh woooop
ember apex
yeah sick
ember apex
is BRH the easiest key this season i have a timed 24 fort and 23 tyr and i dont even push keys. its just randomly a high timed key i have
clever path
how can u time a 28 rise
ember apex
yeah ok
clever path
genuine question
olive wraith
Idk man
spare otter
i think you play meta
clever path
25 feels impossible
dense elbow
Lots of ducktape and prayers
olive wraith
Rise is ass
clever path
i mean we had to do the cheese with first boss
i think otherwise u cant time the key
olive wraith
What the cheese?
shy sparrow
Anyone got a good build for 1h fury? and is it viable to play?
clever path
and boss never siphons
ember apex
Anyone got a good build for 1h fury? and is it viable to play?
not viable
olive wraith
Anyone got a good build for 1h fury? and is it viable to play?
It’s a big dps loss
olive wraith
Take out 1 point in ss and vc
shy sparrow
Ah I see, thanks!
ember apex
rogues can play dual wield 1h swords w/o it being a 10% dps loss
young swan
dont think smf is a 10% dps loss for us atm
clever path
can they dual wield 2hs tho
spare otter
Personally
ember apex
no but thats why we're here playing fury
spare otter
i think we should be able to wield 2h and 1hs at the same time
ember apex
some guy linked his sim and it had some random 2h MH and the fyrakk heroic 1hander in offhand
and the sim wasnt terrible
this was last week
young swan
surely it's good to use fyrakk wep then right?
its like less than 1% dps loss on pure ST
and a lot worse on aoe
ember apex
i have a crazy idea for the fury ascendancy. u guys know Goro from mortal kombat
spare otter
ok man lol
ember apex
another idea
u guys know those massive greatswords from games like lost ark. the kind that the chars drag behind them
solid ridge
Let him cook.
sage depot
most people asking about smf don't play content in which that dps loss matters
spare otter
i fuck with that tbh
spare otter
lost ark was so good man
ember apex
DK still has regular 2h weapons tho
same w/ ret
its like warglaives for DH
where only DH can use
ashen tundra
Is this week a catalyst charge week?
spare otter
y
ember apex
any arc browser enjoyers here
dense elbow
Hear me out, what if:
TG could be mogged to SMF, TG and a single twohander.
Making everyone happy? 
balmy shore
i just want the candy cane swords but for 2h
ember apex
i want actual greatswords in wow
and great weapons in general
like ledo's greathammer from DS3
modest condor
what do you mean my sword is great
left perch
gloomy stag
Quick question, for M+ do you think it is worth upgrading to 486 Frostfire pants (have 489 tier w/ leech) or craft a 486 cloak with shadowflame. The frostfire pants sim much higher but may not have perfect uptime unless chain-pulling. Thanks
ember apex
do u mythic raid?
ember apex
are u doing 5min patchwerk 5targets?
gloomy stag
I look at that plus dungeon slice
ember apex
so reduce the damage by ur average uptime in a key
so lets say u do 15 keys
and ur average uptime is 70%
reduce the value of frostfire pants by 70% and re-analyze ur sims w/ that reduction
to see if u still get value
if not craft shadowflame
gloomy stag
okay thanks will do
rotund steppe
smol indie company
naive summit
like i dont think theres any order of buttons i can press that will make me do more dmg than this bm
legit impossible
even if i had bis gear
restive peak
Prio dmg still matters Carlo, and losing 489 leech pants would be a terrible decision.
wanton mirage
bro why is bm dmg so insane
Everytime I surpassed a BM hunter slightly in M+,
I check log and he is parsing green and I am parsing orange.
So balance...
soft jewel
Igara mythic, do you precast whilwind on spears? do you swap targets? how to max dps spears igara mythic
safe charm
Anyone know if u can get legendary axe from hc and normal? or only mythic
wanton mirage
Igara mythic, do you precast whilwind on spears? do you swap targets? how to max...
Precast whirlwind, try to time OF with every spears.
You should be able to time your roar too.
No need to swap target. Just make sure your OF hits every spears
stark apex
has anyone simmed the helmet enchant, how much is that supposed to give us?
soft jewel
Precast whirlwind, try to time OF with every spears.
You should be able to time...
stacking spears 2 and two on 3 places
wanton mirage
Hmm yes?
stark apex
Igara mythic, do you precast whilwind on spears? do you swap targets? how to max...
dont have a bm hunter in your raid
molten relic
is BRH the easiest key this season i have a timed 24 fort and 23 tyr and i dont ...
I think atal ngl
Brh last boss is omega aids on tyran
Yazma pretty bad too but the key is a snoozefest
stark apex
has anyone simmed the helmet enchant, how much is that supposed to give us?
nevermind i see it in raidbots
stark apex
just cleave them keep focus on ig
soft jewel
Ty
stark apex
u dont wanna waste a big bb on the spear
soft jewel
Do I need to "face" em or its enough and getting hit behind me?
stark apex
no our cleave is 360
soft jewel
Ty
stark apex
ask the bm hunter to not press multishot or call of the wild if u actually wanna do dps to them
soft jewel
ask the bm hunter to not press multishot or call of the wild if u actually wanna...
Nah ^^
spring geyser
why tf does raidbots keep trying to put my unique str/mastery gem in the neckpiece. It's already in my ring that I know I won't replace
tardy lark
why tf does raidbots keep trying to put my unique str/mastery gem in the neckpie...
it puts it in the first avalable itemslot id
head being item id 1
neck 2, obviously
patent aspen
Anyone know if u can get legendary axe from hc and normal? or only mythic
Any difficulty just the chance is higher the higher difficulty with mythic having a chance at dropping the legendary as boss loot in addition to personal loot
tardy lark
either take it out of the sim thing or just ignore it
jade peak
anyone else feels fury is just trash atm? i'm 481 ilvl, 3005 io and even if i'm playing well, my damage simply never compares to a hunter or dh. I know their top atm but it feels like we are so weak xD dunno
molten relic
I mean
molten relic
Uncapped dps
Compared to us
Fury is not trash by any means
But dh and BM are over performing
jade peak
But dh and BM are over performing
by a lot a lot. even after the nerf
spring geyser
OF/TR are the only real uncapped aoe fury has, so while the burst is insane it falls off hard compared to BM and DH who just keep pumping out uncapped aoe damage
molten relic
Compare our cleave with beast cleave and kill cleave for example
spring geyser
The nerf didn't really hurt what was doing a lot of their damage either
molten relic
Kill cleave 80% with an 8 soft cap
Ours is 5 target hard capped
And the % is lower than 80
jade peak
idk, feels really weak this season. the spec is fun to play but feels bad to never recieve any buffs
molten relic
I mean
jade peak
we are what, middle of the board atm?
molten relic
We are in a good spot tho
spring geyser
fury could be in a worse spot tbh
stark apex
if they just made big empower bb hit 5 targets not just prio from tier set we would be really good
patent aspen
I don't understand the 5 target capping though when other species have 6-8 targets caps should be the same across the board or remove hard caps entirely and go with soft caps that can be class/spec specific
crystal summit
i think this is my favorite iteration of fury in a long time tbh
patent aspen
i think this is my favorite iteration of fury in a long time tbh
This one is arse s2 tier was better
jade peak
This one is arse s2 tier was better
yup. 100%
molten relic
BM loses ST damage by taking their aoe setup
crystal summit
i don't love the AM/Ravager playstyle personally
molten relic
Granted it’s not a huge amount but
jade peak
feels like you never have cds
molten relic
Fury cranks
stark apex
not that much tbh
spring geyser
Very true. Fury has the benefit of not needing to rely on many talent points to do aoe damage. Very little ST is sacrificed by opting for AoE
olive wraith
Fury is so good lol
stark apex
and arms juggernaut
olive wraith
if they just made big empower bb hit 5 targets not just prio from tier set we wo...
I don’t think you realize how broken this would be
patent aspen
Fury is so good lol
Fury is good but the playtyle is arse
spring geyser
Out of all the specs in the game, fury aoe relies on talents the least imo. TR is barely behind spear, and you swap juggernaut and massacre for WW talents and suddenly fury can pump out some sick cleave
olive wraith
I like the playstyle
patent aspen
Out of all the specs in the game, fury aoe relies on talents the least imo. TR i...
......wtf you smoking
stark apex
I don’t think you realize how broken this would be
i mean i said really good we would do the same dam as our boy immolation aura and beast cleave
molten relic
......wtf you smoking
?
spring geyser
I do not like the current playstyle imo. Any playstyle of fury that doesn't include AM is dogwater
molten relic
What did he say that was wrong
spring geyser
......wtf you smoking
what are you smokin??
olive wraith
We would be better than dh I’m sure
patent aspen
It relys totally on talents
molten relic
It’s
spring geyser
The least
spring geyser
Fury talent tree barely changes between ST and AoE
molten relic
That’s a big big difference
olive wraith
Most specs lose a lot of st for speccing into aoe
crystal summit
just ask ret
olive wraith
Fury loses the least
molten relic
We don’t really lose anything
stark apex
Most specs lose a lot of st for speccing into aoe
ret paladin crying and shaking
olive wraith
What
fading sky
I actually prefer fury without am
patent aspen
Try 5+ depending on where you wanting more cleave or st and that just fury tree
olive wraith
Shockwave is class tree sir
spring geyser
what 5 talent points are you dropping for AoE over ST???
olive wraith
Lmao
stark apex
its 2 talent points with an optional swap on 1 node if u cant enrage good enough
molten relic
For both ww twlents
patent aspen
just ask ret
Yes it losing less to switch but still takes a massive hit in st/aoe depending on talents
spring geyser
If you really care enough you can swap bloodcraze for slaughtering strikes
stark apex
Yes it losing less to switch but still takes a massive hit in st/aoe depending o...
swapping node below OF is typical too
spring geyser
You are smoking something if you think it's a massive hit in dps
fading sky
I do not like the current playstyle imo. Any playstyle of fury that doesn't incl...
I prefer fury balanced without am
stark apex
its like 6k dps loss on st, really not that bad
pulsar prawn
which spell on larodar mythic is most effiecient for reflect DR ?
molten relic
U lose mass and jug
olive wraith
300k on 5 targets 6x
It’s more like 400k +(200k*4) for three hits every 20 seconds
stark apex
when specs like ret lost 35k
worldly shard
You are smoking something if you think it's a massive hit in dps
Drogbar rocks
olive wraith
That’s bonkers
molten relic
It’s more like 400k +(200k*4) for three hits every 20 seconds
400k in executes ya
Disgusting stuff
Or with on use strength trinket
stark apex
we dont have arms jugg, its not that good
molten relic
I ain’t got non of those
stark apex
our jug is ok
molten relic
I wish it cleaved at like 50% eff on the tier
patent aspen
U lose mass and jug
You switch OF talent choice grab blood craze you can also switch fresh meat if you want
olive wraith
Literally doing 1.2 mil cleaves 3 times every 20 seconds is just too strong lol
molten relic
And switching Of talent
Is bad on higher keys
U also don’t need fresh meat or blood craze..
patent aspen
And switching Of talent
Um on tyran it's a must
olive wraith
Fresh meat is qol
molten relic
Um on tyran it's a must
?
patent aspen
Fresh meat is qol
Yes
molten relic
Dancing blades
olive wraith
He’s saying don’t switch off DB
olive wraith
Lot of people aren’t taking the enrage one
stark apex
Is bad on higher keys
lots of people take the ww stacks from OF
not saying that is good in high keys
just common thing to do
fading sky
Ye i do
molten relic
Yes but dancing blades much better
stark apex
i agree
stark apex
i dont do it either
olive wraith
You can get ww stacks by casting ww though lol
patent aspen
I mean the burst from gettin ww is real
It's the auto enrage more than the free ww
spring geyser
I did a sim and I only lost ~7% dps from ST to AoE talents on 5 min patchwerk. That's nothing compared to specs who lose a fifth of their damage doing that kind of swap.
molten relic
Just ww during charge?
stark apex
yea, but on packs that dont instant die ie higher keys, its just not needed
olive wraith
Enrage isn’t that much of an issue
olive wraith
I had 90% enrage uptime in my last key without titanic rage
stark apex
i mean the first enrage is literally the issue, once you get past that youre good, but u gotta make sure u enrage before OF
patent aspen
Enrage isn’t that much of an issue
For straight burst it is one less global into CDs + DR is massive for pure burst
molten relic
Yeah but reck charge
fading sky
Which isnwhy its good
molten relic
Is instant rampage anyways
stark apex
ye
olive wraith
But you lose prio damage
stark apex
i feel like we are all actually arguing the same thing
fading sky
Also
olive wraith
For a minimal aoe increSe
molten relic
DB fuck good
fading sky
U dont have reck every pack
molten relic
Other talent good for low keys
naive summit
is bm still a 2 button rotation?
molten relic
Where shit dies anyways
stark apex
is bm still a 2 button rotation?
of course
molten relic
U dont have reck every pack
Ur also not dropping to 0 rage between pulls
olive wraith
Bm is the ranged fury
patent aspen
But you lose prio damage
You know how ww cleave works right? Or aoe is always prio.....
naive summit
Uncapped dps
yea why is our aoe capped
stark apex
is bm still a 2 button rotation?
spread dots with barbed shot and multi shot
olive wraith
You lose prio damage if you take titanic rage I’m saying
stark apex
?
olive wraith
Dancing blades is more st damage
spring geyser
tru statement
olive wraith
You know that right?
patent aspen
i feel like even on 5 targets those classes shit on ur dmg
Yes which shouldn't be the case if we're capped at 5 vs uncapped
molten relic
Kill cleave also 80% damage
Vs ours at like 45
Or whatever the fuck ww cleaves our shit for now
patent aspen
It's not the cleave dmg amount that's and issue it's the target cap of 5 vs uncapped that's a problem
naive summit
BM loses ST damage by taking their aoe setup
i cant even tell lol this bm was doing 300k in the opener with me and was doing 800k in aoe while i did 500k
fading sky
Playing with bad playees
olive wraith
Bm has uncapped
fading sky
I win 90% of my pug keys as well
patent aspen
Dh must’ve been bad
Or very undergeared
olive wraith
He was 3 ilvls lower
stark apex
i need to do some 19s again so i feel good about my damage
naive summit
I don’t think you realize how broken this would be
maybe make it half for off targets?
molten relic
We would def get nerfed
If we had 5 target soft cap
Imagine putting cold steel hot blood on 20 targets
With one bb
olive wraith
Lmao
stark apex
im almost always bottom dps when i play with my havoc and bm buddies in the keys we do
super cool
stark apex
i try not to
olive wraith
I mean they’re like top dmg for keys
patent aspen
With one bb
That's called tuning I also said that the answer doesn't have to be uncapping fury can be tuning to 8 targets cap and then tune from there
naive summit
Literally doing 1.2 mil cleaves 3 times every 20 seconds is just too strong lol
i feel like thats bm but every pack whole dungeon
molten relic
Nerfing us so we can have uncapped aoe
Is not something I desire
Being below BM and dh who are over performing
Doesn’t make fury bad
stark apex
Literally doing 1.2 mil cleaves 3 times every 20 seconds is just too strong lol
wait how is this any different from frost mage
molten relic
patent aspen
Is not something I desire
You know how blade flurry works right?
Not hard to adjust numbers based on targets
olive wraith
You have to cast glacial spike and it only cleaves like 20%?
restive peak
Just timed 26 DHT and was 6mil behind DH, ya'll complain too much
We pump
We are tanky
molten relic
Outlaw also over performing
restive peak
We are bordering S tier pre leggo
restive peak
I mean the passive dmg from leggo dot+ilvl increase is still pretty big for AOE man
It's not dogshit
stark apex
You have to cast glacial spike and it only cleaves like 20%?
there is a talent for 80% cleave, but yea casters cast its only 2.5 seconds hasted
molten relic
Ofc. It’s still a gain
patent aspen
We are bordering S tier pre leggo
Still bordering it after legendary unless they buff it again
molten relic
I just wish on use was worth pressing
Not pressing the legendary button bc it’s not a dps increase feels like a miss from blizzard
naive summit
Vs ours at like 45
has to be like 70% in order for our restriction to make sense
restive peak
Still bordering it after legendary unless they buff it again
That's a great place to be; we won't get randomly nuked, and we're useful.
patent aspen
Unless warr dps in stupidly overtuned we'll never be s tier
fading sky
Exactly
olive wraith
there is a talent for 80% cleave, but yea casters cast its only 2.5 seconds hast...
2 target cleave. Their tier gives glacial spike a splash for 20%
molten relic
The thing is war is never really “bad”
fading sky
We are mid b / low a
molten relic
But being target capped we won’t even really be meta for key pushing
fading sky
Which is just fine
restive peak
Not being S tier is good
split coyote
I mean the passive dmg from leggo dot+ilvl increase is still pretty big for AOE ...
hyped af to get it.
molten relic
I fucking blast in ST
restive peak
People are hilarious man, we aren't #1 so we're dogwater
olive wraith
If you want uncapped switch to arms
stark apex
tbh both warrior specs are a tier imo
molten relic
No complaints here
restive peak
We have the best ST besides DH in AOE spec, and it's HEAVILY competitive, and we have amazing AOE/prio dmg, we do not die
We are upper A tier, we are the 1st melee you'd want after DH
molten relic
But again, if they press a small buff button to leggo on use
split coyote
I just inv aug + havoc to my keys, it's not a big deal. But then again, I only do 24s-25s
molten relic
We are cranking
stark apex
We are upper A tier, we are the 1st melee you'd want after DH
rouges probably first
restive peak
No, most people bring fury>rogue at the higher key rn
naive summit
If you want uncapped switch to arms
i was wondering is arms really good in high keys because of this?
patent aspen
I mean the passive dmg from leggo dot+ilvl increase is still pretty big for AOE ...
Not as big as you'd think and I'm of the mind that activating the on use in most situations may be a dos loss for fury
restive peak
Rogue is not as good as people are pretending, they don't play assa anymore anyway so that's not relevant
stark apex
6m damage on a 1m cd
restive peak
Not as big as you'd think and I'm of the mind that activating the on use in most...
It's big enough to maintain us as upper A tier, the on use is shit but that's life
Arms dies, fury doesn't
molten relic
Kingsbane is def a crazy button