I'll also get it next week
#fury
celest sierra
Tbh I’m with that haha .
unreal onyx
I have such bad luck im missing 2 echoes of ephemera from a full clear
minor egret
Shirley
hollow elk
I keep getting em in the mail after a day or two
north edge
I’m still of the view the item should’ve been a 100% drop with the quest requiring you to kill bosses for quest items so if you clear more content and difficult content you get it faster
unreal onyx
we cleared yesterday, I didn't get mail yet
unreal onyx
I also sent a ticket like 2h ago
fading bane
I also sent a ticket like 2h ago
oblique trail
gg imagine not getting the 6k dps increase
elder vessel
What does the echos of eph thing even do once u get enough
elder vessel
What’s the helm enchant do
fading bane
dmg
left perch
was wondering why I’m stuck at like 38 wtf
ornate gust
gz
left perch
What kind of proc or stat is it
It’s on wowhead
abstract flower
I have a shadowflame cape and the vers wrists, which one should I use my first wyrm crest on?
fading bane
its just dmg proc
was this normal -> heroic or heroic first btw
i need to know what has higher chance
cus if its 3% for hc , and 1% for normal -> 2% on hc then id rather just do hc
modern void
normal > heroic both weeks
modern void
yes
fading bane
we dont even know if lessers count insta or from next reset
modest condor
cus if its 3% for hc , and 1% for normal -> 2% on hc then id rather just do hc
it has rolls for each difficulty and if you do heroic it just also rolls for normal
unreal onyx
I got 2 heroic greater + like 4 lesser overall
modest condor
making up percentages, it would be 1% on normal, 2% on heroic or a roll for 1% and a roll for 2% if you dont do normal
modest condor
yes
fading bane
and i assume the greater thing u loot is just combined normal and hc blp
would be cringe if u still had to do normal for the greater
unreal onyx
i doubt it
we only do heroic and no nm anymore
1 more hc full clear for quest and then only skips going forward
modest condor
i have no idea how the blp works and cba thinking about it
covert blaze
i have no idea how the blp works and cba thinking about it
same
50/50, you get it or you dont
unreal onyx
it's either some tricky system that no one understands, insanely simple or it literally doesn't work
unreal onyx
real
molten relic
and i assume the greater thing u loot is just combined normal and hc blp
it does say the BLP and chances are cumulative when u do higher difficulties
molten relic
as vague as it is, they did make it clear that u only need to do the highest difficulty u can each week
unreal onyx
but the lesser "count" the same in any difficulty, right?
molten relic
It seems to be, I've seen 3 different screens of people getting 2legos on a heroic kill
Lessers are very vague
they didnt really elaborate on them
other than mythic/h can drop them
we didnt get a single lesser last week in heroic- and we have 8 eligible people
modest condor
my mindset exactly
unreal onyx
I don't really care how it works either, I just like to make up theories
oblique trail
I'm sure the people who got it has min/max'd it to insane lengths
mossy fox
oblique trail
especially those who got it on day 1
covert blaze
lfr drops
covert blaze
like that hpal one trick getting it the other day
unreal onyx
or is it rng how much dmg it does
modest condor
why should it be higher?
fading bane
brand gives str augury gives crit
modest condor
also the whole point of sims is evening out rng
random raptor
its a 50% drop rate, you either get it or you don't
fading bane
true
unreal onyx
ye ik, but in my personal experience in kills/wipes it did more dmg in the end than augury
modest condor
now that's rng
random raptor
I didnt do waycrest on tyran 2 weeks ago and didnt realize and just timed one for +105 IO
hahaha wtf
modest condor
lol
unreal onyx
I just got over 2.8k io with a 21 tott 
I don't even wanna "push" a higher io, but I have to to get into pugs
olive wraith
Play prot 
random raptor
yeah same, only reason I'm pushing too
modest condor
im like 3050 or so and i already feel behind the curve on pugging
random raptor
this is my first season playing from the start, I stopped caring last season when I stopped getting loot and it made it hard for me start of this season
unreal onyx
sil where's your flavour pocket at?
earnest olive
is lariot a no go for us now?
modest condor
sil where's your flavour pocket at?
on a weapon lol
oblique trail
gg
hollow elk
how does a flavor pocket fits on a weapon. is it like a little tea bag dangling on the hilt?
wanton mirage
You refill the packet with sweat and blood of your enemy
signal hazel
Fruit roll up stuffed in the hilt
patent cove
is avoidance worth it over speed?
oblique trail
Yes
oblique trail
<@105847932611231744> <@102464908976730112> xoxo lads
👋
oblique trail
enchant double wafting
jovial summit
how are people doing sims for m+ gear
minor egret
raidbots gear compare/top gear
jovial summit
no way its patchwerk right? why would it ever be that
oblique trail
because of how Fury works
olive wraith
Can’t our st damage is kind of our mt damage
minor egret
you can do dungeonslice too but Patch is most accurate representation
oblique trail
5 target cleave is basically ST but on 5 targets
Whatever sims the best on ST as well is very often equally as good in AoE
wanton mirage
how are people doing sims for m+ gear
People here won't agree.
I like dungeon slice.
jovial summit
lol
oblique trail
The only exception is that crit is slightly better on AoE compared to ST
hushed trench
Yo does the bad luck protection stack from each difficulty? Like if I kill Fyrakk on LFR/Normal/Heroic does each item only increase the drop chance on the difficulty it drops on or is it all lumped together?
wanton mirage
No one knows
hushed trench
Fucking hell
past pivot
It’s probably all lumped together but together it’s the same as a heroic kill. But as said, we don’t know for certain.
north edge
WHY IS IT STILL A SPEAR
Why did we get necro banner removed
It was like the one reason a warrior was taken to M+
Or I should say may get taken to m+ to buff the other classes burst windows
past pivot
Why did we get necro banner removed
Because that was an expansion ago. And DKs kept slappy hands
brittle crow
if we had banner we'd be bitching about uptime more than we already do
clever belfry
banner cringe
raidbuffs cringe
north edge
me being the only warrior means i cant be easily replaced
It’s literally the only reason I’m allowed in the mythic raid team atm
I’m the only warrior
covert blaze
never improve yourself when you dont have to
worst thing ive ever read
north edge
If I didn’t bring battleshout I’m 99% sure I’d get replaced by the green parsing dh on the bench that still does more damage than me
clever belfry
never improve yourself when you dont have to
cringe
minor egret
never improve yourself when you dont have to
brittle crow
never do today what you can put off for tomorrow
clever belfry
never do anything
covert blaze
never reroll to aug
hollow elk
never do today what you can put off for tomorrow
this is how im stuck not doing laundry for 3 weeks
wanton mirage
Thats rookie number
brittle crow
i dont even have 3 weeks worth of laundry
oblique trail
cringe
if you play aug never improve because if the rest of your raid sucks so do you regardless
aug moment
covert blaze
i can't imagine not running db every week
brittle crow
but i want to do dps not actually prioritize anything
covert blaze
yeah tr does a lot on bosses!!!!
left perch
if you play aug never improve because if the rest of your raid sucks so do you r...
Oh THATS why I’m bad at Aug. thought it was skill issue (me)
brittle crow
y would i care about bosses when its so little of my overall dps in a dungeon
i want to PARSE
covert blaze
dungeon parse 🔥
nova garnet
brittle crow
true and real maybe
covert blaze
true and real most def
left perch
was buffing one in normal tree raid and dude was just gapping everyone most fights
north edge
I got my mates to carry my dh alt through a key last night
left perch
I think rogue came in and beat him once then left
north edge
And they were like bro ur dh 458 ilvl is doing more damage than ur 474 warrior
left perch
leggo will balance it dw
north edge
Why don’t you Main it instead 💩
covert blaze
leggo will balance it dw
brittle crow
i hate having unfinished quests tho
left perch
id play more dh but reps and quests arent account wide yet so
warbands is most coveted expac feature stg
brittle crow
it wont make quests account wide unfort
left perch
or whatever that alt friendly thing is called
brittle crow
but yes i am highly anticipating
covert blaze
just do the quests 4Head
molten relic
ngl
brittle crow
warbands is most coveted expac feature stg
im anticipating warbands and old world dragonriding more than actual content
covert blaze
feels so much better now that i've done it a bunch
based and ethicalpilled
molten relic
yes
modest condor
whirlwind isnt even a bad button on aoe with sos
red berry
i forgot what dancing blades is
oblique trail
press OF attack fast
oblique trail
yea
brittle crow
also idk how to do the aoe opener with dancing blades
red berry
and no whirlwind is pretty nice in AoE actually
brittle crow
i get hard capped at 130 rage for like 4 gcds
and i assume thats ok
but it feels gross
modest condor
1 cast 300k damage without cooldowns up http://puu.sh/JWhxf/cfb1160a2b.png
on 9 targets
red berry
yeah its big
brittle crow
dayum whirlwind actually strong
molten relic
also idk how to do the aoe opener with dancing blades
just charge ww
brittle crow
just charge ww
yea reck charge ww ramp to enrage but
then i odyns and roar and bb and im at 130 rage the whole time?
gross
minor egret
then i odyns and roar and bb and im at 130 rage the whole time?
BB before the roar, then rampage BB into avatar
minor egret
so you never get capped
brittle crow
hmm
minor egret
i miss s2 just macroing everything into one button and smash
now we actually have to play the game
brittle crow
so reck charge ww ramp odyns ramp bb roar
minor egret
bloodbath
molten relic
u can ramp before the roar ya
analog oak
oh cool ty
brittle crow
fuck i got it wrong
clever belfry
if you play aug never improve because if the rest of your raid sucks so do you r...
me when rogues
minor egret
you can ramp after the roar too idk, if you follow the rotation the bot does in sims
it's charge -> bt ramp -> odyns BB -> Roar Ramp BB -> Avatar Ramp BB
minor egret
cause chance it can proc enrage ig
clever path
ramp bb odyns ramp bb roar?
i've had some situations where I will roar after a buffed BB cause i don't enough rage, gives me just enough to get the two full BBs in
minor egret
but thats boss opener st i guess
oblique trail
Why would you BT if you're gonna Ramp right after
minor egret
if it's big pack then WW is probably better
molten relic
and then ramp once u get tehre
oblique trail
You just do the ST opener as usual, but add in WW when you need to cleave
minor egret
Why would you BT if you're gonna Ramp right after
if you get enrage you don't need to ramp just send odyns
minor egret
idk i just look at critcake in slowmotion and read the sim rotation
oblique trail
An unbuffed BT when you don't even have OF on CD yet doesn't do anything for you
minor egret
he does it fairly similar to the sim
snow edge
You’ll have the rage, it buffs your BT, and minimizes overcapping
snow edge
Rampage guaranteed enrage, not a gamble
minor egret
if you charge and BT in st as opener you can get enraged straight away is the thing ig
and you can use odyns faster
oblique trail
If you reck + charge you can insta ramp
brittle crow
^
minor egret
oh yea
clever path
do you guys hold reck on smolderon for the damage amp phase?
willow cradle
do you guys hold reck on smolderon for the damage amp phase?
You'd be holding it for almost it's entire cd
That's not even remotely worth it
clever path
You'd be holding it for almost it's entire cd
btw time it's off CD again, the damage amp phase is gone already
clever path
they will for 2nd onwards
did not know that, thank you
brittle crow
but u should have odyns up for first amp anyways
willow cradle
btw time it's off CD again, the damage amp phase is gone already
Yeah, but see it this way, you are losing an entire set of CDs
snow edge
Umm can’t remember who said it, but pretty sure Banezi was there; invert avatar and OF on pull
oblique trail
For Smolderon you pop everything at once instead of spreading out as usual
But yeah, Avatar before OF and then you place orbs at these #fury message places depending on the intermission
And they'll arrive at you when you have your CDs ready
snow edge
Can still delay OF a second or two, and just go reck / avatar / spear, global or two, OF
brittle crow
but they still dont line up for first intermission right
snow edge
If you space orbs
brittle crow
huh
snow edge
They’ll line up decently enough
brittle crow
word
snow edge
Go back to a certain line, maximize orb travel time
brittle crow
ill have to remember this
oblique trail
The message I linked to from Deattu has a pic
snow edge
Collect orbs as late as possible
Ye Deattu, I kept thinking Deswind but he’s an Arms man
brittle crow
is it just me or if u charge in right after the push ur orbs get dropped further in than u want
so u shouldnt charge in after the push u should let orbs drop then leap in
brittle crow
But yeah, Avatar before OF and then you place orbs at these https://discord.com/...
do u want to get pushed into the marker or be at the marker when u get pushed
left perch
jackie has a pic on it too
oblique trail
Stand on marker when you get pushed
left perch
brittle crow
losing lots of dps while he does his cast tho cuz ur not in melee?
ig its not that much over a fight
brittle crow
its like 10 sec wym
oblique trail
and you're not doing a ton of damage outside of CDs
10 seconds
how big is your smolderon arena
brittle crow
once he starts walking, he's gonna walk out of melee range while ur standing on the marker, do his long ass cast anim, leap into the air and back down,
u can make a whole ass sandwich in that time
snow edge
how big is your smolderon arena
Football field
oblique trail
well you don't have to stand at the marker from the start as he walks
you just go there as he knocks
snow edge
u can make a whole ass sandwich in that time
Just pay attention to the time between him reaching mid and casting; you can time it right so downtime is minimal
brittle crow
but if u charge in right as u get pushed then its still bad right
cuz orbs dont drop right away
oblique trail
I mean I think you're severely overestimating how much damage you lose by waiting a bit
When you have no CDs anyway
snow edge
It’s like 1 extra second, it’s not a huge deal to ensure better alignment of orbs with CDs
dark ice
How do you manage camera in WM
mossy fox
you dont
marsh dock
am I supposed to ignore exectute if I'm generating enough rage to just cast BB > Rampage > BB > Rampage etc
upbeat blade
Don't fight in hallways, but that's not up to you
gilded pawn
am I supposed to ignore exectute if I'm generating enough rage to just cast BB >...
Ye
pulsar prawn
How do you manage camera in WM
shell jackal
so i'm autistic af
alchemical flavour pocket doesn't go on rings? at least i can't find the option for it
oblique trail
It's the wrong ring
shell jackal
bro..
oblique trail
Have to craft the other ring to put an embellishment on it
shell jackal
my spark
shell jackal
that's the dumbest design in the world
why not just make it apply to both crafted rings
smh
shell jackal
that's so fucking dumb hahahahah jesus christ
oblique trail
The ring is still good at least
Despite having flavour on it or not
But yeah it does suck
shell jackal
its a good ring but yeah
cheers for the update. guess i should've done some more research. goddamnit bro
unreal onyx
(I also didn't know that, my other ring just had the stats already on it)
shell jackal
thank you boys, ill wait another week to craft the other ring
red dirge
anybody know best gems for us Keen Ysemerald?
oblique trail
It's the gem that sims the best for you
there is no specific gem that's the best for everyone
red dirge
how do i sim multiple diffrent gems
oblique trail
In top gear
unreal onyx
thank you boys, ill wait another week to craft the other ring <:critcake:9845498...
2 weeks*
red dirge
never understood how to do top gear
oblique trail
You scroll down, check "replace existing gems" then select a few gems with mastery + anything else
Although don't select all of them as it'll unnecessarily increase the combinations
warm pewter
Question
oblique trail
If you have the simulationcraft addon, you go ingame, type /simc, copy paste it, go to top gear on raidbots, paste it in the top, then select different pieces of gear/enchants etc then run sim
warm pewter
For rotation do we not use up all 3 BB crits before casting avatar?
oblique trail
It'll then show you the best setup based on what scenario you give it and items you picked
oblique trail
For rotation do we not use up all 3 BB crits before casting avatar?
The 2p buff stacks up to 6
So you don't have to spend them all
warm pewter
Im fucking stupid
GG take away my rio
So we just want to hold the cast for the bleed to not overlap?
oblique trail
Yes, just cast AVatar as the Avatar from your OF runs out
warm pewter
It doesn't say it but it does stack?
red dirge
I have keen ysermerald on all my gear and it still says its the best even tho i picked plenty of diffrent gems
warm pewter
Then thats the best for ur current stats
red dirge
uhh alrigjht
oblique trail
Did you remember to press replace existing gems/enchants
red dirge
nothing changed
oblique trail
above the enchant selection
red dirge
uhh no
oblique chasm
I have keen ysermerald on all my gear and it still says its the best even tho i ...
What is your haste % at.
oblique trail
Just look above the enchant selection
red dirge
mast is 38%
warm pewter
That would explain why nothing changed xD
oblique chasm
Yeah 38% is high. All of my gems at this point I think are mast/vers or vers/mast. With my haste being 27% and doing double mastery on weps for runes
red dirge
okay i did
I never learned how to do top gear sorry about the struggle
oop it says to put Sensei nelt on all my gear
how are these stats?
how do i figrue out whats best runes to run
oblique trail
Typically it's just Hissing runes for Fury
red dirge
okay i just simmed again now its Zen nelth
oblique chasm
Is that mast/ vers? I don't remember the names
oblique chasm
Wait do we use spear in ST or does it matter that much
If you can stand in spear for the whole duration it is worth doing it. However, if you have to move outside of spear for a bb crit. Then it is very very similar to just running roar.
unreal onyx
pure ST spear if you can keep 100% uptime of it's buff
2T or no 100% uptime just play roar
obtuse pilot
Is double wafting the way to go atm?
obtuse pilot
👍
clear light
how to get 100% in warcraft logs
clear light
step 1; WF
whats wf
clever belfry
how to get 100% in warcraft logs
do more dps
clear light
do more dps
i need lego to do that
oblique chasm
@red dirge Sim weapon enchants. Earthen writ might be valuable for you. Wafting/ earthen simmed highest for me.
warm rain
has anybody tested uproar in m+, wondering how cds line up
at least with odyn's by itself
warm rain
what do you take out to use it?
primal bane
Have to be giving up shockwave
warm rain
yeah thought so hmm..
earnest olive
should i craft neck? have wrists and ring already
warm pewter
Fuck the group go for dmg
marble bison
based
marble bison
TRUE
red dirge
<@824414689983070259> Sim weapon enchants. Earthen writ might be valuable for yo...
what does earthen do?
I just into guild raid ill check after
marble bison
mastery proc
red dirge
oooo Ill check after
warm rain
Fuck the group go for dmg
i mean when people leave group after saying ew warrior i'm tempted to take damage lol
sullen dove
oblique trail
Me pov if it wasn't a -2.5k dps difference
runic pine
i mean when people leave group after saying ew warrior i'm tempted to take damag...
it's wild man getting into groups is terrible
torn anchor
Anyone know how much haste/mast we want on fury? This is what im at atm
oblique trail
they're fine
torn anchor
I had 19 before I swapped rings
oblique trail
if it's what sims the best for you in top gear then nothing else to really worry about
torn anchor
I felt so slow
oblique trail
And there are no specific %'s for Fury to reach either
forest owl
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
Just some people enjoying the smaller things in life
torn anchor
I was more wondering soft cap for haste
oblique trail
Again
It's not something to worry about
If you've simmed yourself then that's all there is to it
torn anchor
Gotcha
oblique chasm
what does earthen do?
wearthen writ is a mastery proc
twilit temple
I'm trying to slowly compile the leggo mats, when it states r1 on wowhead. Does it HAVE to be r1 or can it be any rank mat?
clever belfry
If you've simmed yourself then that's all there is to it
go to bed.
young mantle
yoyo guys should I just craft 2x shadowflame on cloak+wrist or should I have one shadowflame on cloak and one versa embellishement on wrist?
oblique trail
go to bed.
playing poe
clever belfry
ff
oblique trail
gg
oblique trail
wait with ff'ing till you're home
modest condor
yeah dont final fantasy so far from home
red dirge
wanton mirage
what are the target cap that cause reduce dmg on Odyn Fury and Thunderous roar?
wanton mirage
When you can just race change for +2k dps
that's why you should always started the game with Lightforged Drenai?
still spear
I am a new player and I am struggling to find information on how some mechanics works in wow. I know raid bosses can parry attacks and because of that I should hit them from behind. Does adds, m+ bosses and trash can also parry or dodge attacks? If yes, what is the % chance? (Or where can I find these type of information?)
wanton mirage
LF drenai to Human is 4k dps jump
oblique trail
I am a new player and I am struggling to find information on how some mechanics ...
It's only raid bosses, with a few M+ boss exceptions, that can parry
I don't recall what the % is though, but searching for WoW parry chance should probably give you some results
As for the exception, the only one I can think of rn is Iridikron from Galakronds Fall that can parry
clever belfry
iridikron raid confirmed???
oblique trail
yes
clever belfry
arms would not be playable if they parried from the back
stoic star
Anyone know of a good place to get into a Heroic Fyrakk kill?
covert blaze
If you hit the boss from behind they don't parry?
vivid idol
Anyone know of a good place to get into a Heroic Fyrakk kill?
Find a group in the lfg tool that says pumpers only. That’s how you know only good players are invited.
covert blaze
Anyone know of a good place to get into a Heroic Fyrakk kill?
Buy a carry
stoic star
Buy a carry
Yeah im mostly trying to find a guild to do it tonight. im ce the last few tiers just dont have the time I used to
covert blaze
Do you have heroic kills this tier?
stoic star
Do you have heroic kills this tier?
Yeah im only 6/9H as of today though
dry dragon
broken hornet
Avoidance too holy shit
sinful spoke
inland flame
my feral alt has a brand, augury, and pips
and my warrior hasn't gotten a good ilvl raid trinket yet
warm rain
it's wild man getting into groups is terrible
because people want fotm to carry their rating
i love seeing that and then the meta class is bad lol
inland flame
at the end of the day a aug or DH make your key easier so they'll take them before us, just the way it is right now
although people take it way too seriously in lower keys
warm rain
same at high keys imo just less so, depends on the type of player
at really high keys it's all about meta i get it
inland flame
yeah esp through low 20s you can faceroll really easy with literally any comp as long as people are awake behind their keyboards
but easier keys do be easier at the same time
warm rain
fair tbh
inland flame
its just the pug life honestly, been this way for a long time
oblique trail
I've found that while doing my pug 20s to fill my vault, the DHs are more of a detriment
Typically
warm rain
yeah it's def pug life lol
i should look for a steady group
pugging is very random
lol
frozen lake
i should look for a steady group
I always think that to myself
inland flame
steady group or an active M+ guild, other than that you'll still feel the struggle here and there
frozen lake
But then I'm too lazy
Plus there is a wild West craziness to pugging that can be fun
Like you never know what you might see
inland flame
Oh ya I was in a Rise earlier that was normal until the last boss but then the tank blasted us with Deios' breath got embarassed and left
-32 minutes of my life
clever path
Whoa, the new discord looks weird
runic pine
because people want fotm to carry their rating
I beat a lot of DH's
inland flame
Ya the buttons throw my off
inland flame
Ya you can always be a better player right, but when people invite FOTM they're thinking about the spec's reputation, which is based on what the best players can do
quartz void
what % of verse should we be aiming for
inland flame
you're not aiming for anything specific, just 
to find upgrades
quartz void
i mean im kinda at the point i need to start aiming for stats lol
inland flame
well there's not like a cap or anything to tell you to go for
young swan
vers is literally just damage, theres no breakpoints
just sim any gear u get
equip it if its an upgrade
left perch
Whoa, the new discord looks weird
it’s no bueno
young swan
if u want to target farm, look at the bis profile on simcraft website and start looking for those pieces
rich palm
Think I'm at 21% vers atm.
young swan
do we use ava OF first or actual OF?
actual OF
inland flame
real OF to get more cdr
keen kindle
okay tygonna try fury in my last key for tonight
inland flame
gl fren i believe in u
naive swallow
that satisfied feeling of having all ur stats in sim be essentially the same weight
keen kindle
*Until you change one enchant and then they're all over the place again?
torn anchor
Anyone else simming near 171k dps single target? Im 473ilvl and wondering how my damage is compared to others
inland flame
Kinda hard to compare with how different setups can be. But that feels low.
torn anchor
Yeah im confused myself, I feel like im doing something wrong or simming incorrectly
inland flame
You just sending a PW sim in your ST setup?
torn anchor
yeah
inland flame
idk willing to link the sim or your armory?
patent cove
462 too low for heroic amir?
modest condor
technically not but good luck getting accepted into any group
torn anchor
Yeah let me grab you a link @inland flame one sec
patent cove
cant get a group for the last 3 bosses, like whyyy
modest condor
because pugs only acceptilvl 480+ and 6/9 mythic
like why take an ilvl 462 if they could just take an ilvl 475 instead
torn anchor
warm rain
just gotta pray for the invite lol
naive swallow
wtf is piercing verdict
warm rain
but yeah further in people gonna only take higher ilvls
naive swallow
sounds much like a ret talent
ebon shore
462 too low for heroic amir?
nope, just make ur own lobby
oblique trail
<@202594851085090817> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xbM7Xc7ReuBcTXYa8PH...
I'd recommend simming with mainstat or mast/vers food instead of just pure mastery food, although your sim is probably pretty even with other people if they also turn off every external factor
inland flame
<@202594851085090817> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xbM7Xc7ReuBcTXYa8PH...
Yeah nothing stands out to me tbh. Not sure. It might be appropriate. But I would guess somewhere north of 185ish just looking at the gear.
oblique trail
I'm 10 ilvl higher than you, albeit no Brand, and I sim for roughly 11k more than you with similar settings
river yoke
hello
molten relic
Yeah nothing stands out to me tbh. Not sure. It might be appropriate. But I woul...
he has all externals off tho
river yoke
someone got weak aura for trinket cataclyst plz ?
broken sinew
May I know can we still use reckness avatar together?
oblique trail
May I know can we still use reckness avatar together?
Don't macro things together like this
inland flame
he has all externals off tho
Ahhh yeah I see that now
oblique trail
CDs are used in different orders depending on the rest of your CDs, and if it's during the opener or not
torn anchor
What do you mean by no brand? @oblique trail also does that sound reasonable 11k dps for those 10ivls?
The trinket, got you
inland flame
Yeah missing rune mark mystic touch and stuff that makes a lot more sense
oblique trail
I turned BL on and sim 189k at 10 ilvl higher, but yeah
In a vacuum your sim looks fine all things considered
inland flame
Yeah I wasn't even thinking I ususally send sims with all buffs even though I should prolly at least turn off WF
torn anchor
You really gain all that damage from 10 ivls... damn. Im guessing it comes from the strength then
oblique trail
Ilvl does a lot yes
I also have a lot higher ilvl weapons than you
Which does most of the heavy lifting
inland flame
Yeah weapons and specific trinkets are big
torn anchor
Ok yeah looks like im at 179k with mystic touch and the aug rune
Missing the fyrakk trink too which i know is our bis if im correct
oblique trail
Some external factors add a lot to your sim, but of course some of them you wont always have that'll affect your throughput the most
Windfury and Mystic Touch in particular
torn anchor
Yeah thats why I like to sim without them
inland flame
Don't worry guys Blizz is working hard to fix WW so we can have Touch in our groups more often
They just renamed four whole abilities
inland flame
based
inland flame
oblique trail
It genuinely is like playing a different spec with or without WF
keen kindle
First key as fury, +20 atal....not...horrible
And fury is okay this season, honestly thought anni was gonna be a lot worse then it actually is
keen kindle
is that timed
it was actually timed
And yeah dps a bit low....I should've done wayyyy better but I fucked up as fury a lot
Got my atal portal for when I get back on rezan's grind 
spiral oasis
Might of the ocean simming pretty damn high
Got a hero serpent idol and it's not simming dat high
compared to 476 might
dire vigil
Might is fun because you can fit your entire OF + Avatar window in the 20 sec buff
spiral oasis
serpent was simming higher on arms ST doe
keen kindle
Not for me 🤷♀️
Then again I got a rezan's the same week I got the serpant out of my vault...
inland flame
I think I have every M+ trink hero or myth except for Rezan's lol
No wait I don't have Sandglass
The struggle
keen kindle
I run sandglass and butcher's for keys
And then I run Sandglass and Rezan's for raid. But rezan's is just a pitiful champ track I got from doing my last key for KSM
spiral oasis
yeah i'm going with rezan and sandglass for raid
Would be cool if I ever saw a signet brand drop tgho
keen kindle
If I see it drop it's going to someone else
warm pewter
Im trynna farm might but pugging as a warrior is hard
oblique trail
And fury is okay this season, honestly thought anni was gonna be a lot worse the...
This is usually the response of someone who hasn't actually tried Annihilator Fury but decides to anyway
warm pewter
2.8k and 475smth and still getting declined while I've done the key on 21 already
spiral oasis
If I see it drop it's going to someone else
like me teehee
oblique trail
It's not for everyone, and it's certainly not regarded as the most fun iteration either for Fury
But I don't think it's necessarily horrible either
keen kindle
like me teehee
hey that's awesome
inland flame
If all you want is a hero track you only need to do 17s, that's not that hard to get into
spiral oasis
smile
inland flame
Although do at least 18s if you still need vault cred
Since 18s are the min level to get myth in vault
keen kindle
It's not for everyone, and it's certainly not regarded as the most fun iteration...
I don't hate anni, it just dosen't feel like I want from Fury
warm pewter
If all you want is a hero track you only need to do 17s, that's not that hard to...
laughs in declines
keen kindle
As an off spec
keen kindle
and even if that happens, the damage the serpant does in aoe is just njot great
espically cus you could just run Sandglass for haste, or run rezan's for better boss damage (which honestly isn't a terrible idea this week), or mirrior, or like....any other trinket
spiral oasis
i like the snakes :)
broken sinew
Don't macro things together like this
ok then why cant marco Reck+ avatar anymore?
inland flame
Because you want to pop Reck with OF first and then hit Avatar after about 4s
When mini Ava + OF DOTs fall off
broken sinew
When mini Ava + OF DOTs fall off
Which mean you are using the Avatar to extend the proc of OF from Avatar debuff?
inland flame
Basically. Just used OF first and then Avatar when the Titan's Torment small Avatar falls off.
broken sinew
ok noted thanks
Im using Dacing blades this week so by pressing avatar will wait abit longer right
inland flame
I haven't seen that advice this patch tbh, not 100% sure if that's the case or if that's worth it. I've been sending it like I said in all scenarios.
oblique trail
Im using Dacing blades this week so by pressing avatar will wait abit longer rig...
This is from 10.0.7, it's not the case now
gilded pawn
Im using Dacing blades this week so by pressing avatar will wait abit longer rig...
no
you just press avatar when mini avatar finishes
because it matches the OF DOT roughly
oblique trail
To lay it out, your opener will basically look like
Reck + Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> Spear/Roar -> BB -> Ramp -> Avatar (whenever the OF Avatar is about to run out) -> BB and continue
gilded pawn
you cant juice out that much more dancing blades anyways
clever path
Im using Dacing blades this week so by pressing avatar will wait abit longer rig...
Bro checking wowhead comments 
10 points for effort
oblique trail
As for mid fight, you'll want to repeat the same way you did the opener if you have OF ready, but if you don't, you simply
Reck -> Avatar -> Spear/Roar
You will lose uptime of Dancing Blades either way you do it, however it's much more important to keep your 2p buffed BBs buffed by Avatar, than losing a bit of uptime from Dancing Blades
clever path
I'm picking up fury again, this looks kind of fun
wanton mirage
What do you guys do when you are in situation only recklessness become available? Avatar and OF are mor than 10 seconds away (counting reductions)
oblique trail
How is your Avatar 10+ seconds away
broken sinew
As for mid fight, you'll want to repeat the same way you did the opener if you h...
alright I shall follow your advise mate 🙂
wanton mirage
Sometimes it happens in M+ dungeons
oblique trail
How
broken sinew
hopefully I can improve my dps
oblique trail
Are you popping reck at the end of a pack but not avatar
clever path
Wait...
oblique trail
If you desync your CDs that much it's missplay
Either because you pop one CD but don't use the other one in time, or you use CDs on a pack that doesn't actually need CDs to begin with
However regardless of this, if your Reck is ready but Avatar for some reason is 10 seconds away, you hold Reck until you have Avatar
Reck on its own doesn't really do much
wanton mirage
Yeah its mostly my cd management issue.
oblique trail
Might've come off a bit harsh, but it's something that can improve with more experience
wanton mirage
I guess i should delay my avatar to wait for reck. Because sometimes reck got slightly delayed due to waiting for OF in 2nd reck
I should never pop my avatar without reck right?
oblique trail
When you think of when you want to delay/use CDs, think of when your other CDs are ready and what pack you're on now, how long it'll roughly take to kill, and what the next pack/boss will be like
oblique trail
You're simming in an AoE spec there, but on ST Fury will compete, or perhaps even beat, DH at best possible gear
subtle lagoon
In single-target, bis gear, I think we beat dh.
Otherwise, yeah we don't.
oblique trail
I should never pop my avatar without reck right?
Correct, they'll both naturally realign, albeit sometimes a bit off from each other due to how the opener is played, but you'll usually have them together whenever one is ready
wanton mirage
My Season2 brain popping avatar alone without waiting for reck
When it keeps happening, my first question scenario happened
acoustic furnace
don't forget macros. they can be pretty useful for keeping CDs aligned
oblique trail
I would not recommend macroing any buttons together with Fury's current iteration
acoustic furnace
I just put Reck and Avatar together
paper ivy
bis gear and leg wep just gives u 10k dps increase
oblique trail
But the only time you want to use them together is mid fight
paper ivy
just simed it again
oblique trail
If you macro Reck and Avatar together, you need to have them separate either way because of how the opener/CD rotation is mid fight if OF aligns for it
wanton mirage
I have Reck OF in one macro and Avatar Reck in one macro. I think it covers almost all situation.
oblique trail
I have Reck OF in one macro and Avatar Reck in one macro. I think it covers almo...
This will only be relevant mid fight
Otherwise you'll be Reck + Charge -> Ramp -> OF
Or simply Reck + Charge -> OF if Titanic Rage
wanton mirage
Oh yeah I have Reck Charge in one macro too . I forgot it.
oblique trail
I mean if it works for you it works
But I'll generally never recommend macroing things together
Training your muscle memory to have them on separate buttons so you wont accidentally press a macro when you shouldn't lowers the chance that you'll mess up, because you very often will use them separately
wanton mirage
I get what you are saying. This tier is clunky indeeed.
oblique trail
bis gear and leg wep just gives u 10k dps increase
Bis gear Fury setup is roughly 248k last I checked
Which is still far more than what your screenshot above shows
olive wraith
Idk i really enjoy this tier
wanton mirage
Is the Head slot still off-tier piece in BIS setup?
clever belfry
@oblique trail
BED
NOW
olive wraith
oblique trail
Tier slots are incredibly minor comparing 5 tier pieces vs 4 tier pieces and 1 off piece
@clever belfry
HOME
NOW
clever belfry
i just tucked myself in
oblique trail
omg cozy moment
wanton mirage
Who is whose mom? I am confused
clever belfry
arrived home w/o dying
clever belfry
sadly
oblique trail
cease
oblique trail
Is the Head slot still off-tier piece in BIS setup?
The SimC profile uses every tier piece except legs, which is the Upper Dawn legs. But as mentioned, you don't have to worry about it really
It's very minor both on paper and in practice
A quick demonstration with my current setup, where I compare a socketed Council helm to the Tier helm at equal ilvl. Of course the increase/decrease will fluctuate slightly depending on the rest of your stats, but not to any meaningful degree
clever belfry
holy moly 2 sigma deviation
oblique trail
my brain is simply TOO small and tired to get this mathematical reference
I must apologise profusely
paper ivy
Bis gear Fury setup is roughly 248k last I checked
how do i check this bis gear
oblique trail
how do i check this bis gear
Look at the SimC profile on simulationcrafts site
But bis gear is largely irrelevant to even know about
clever belfry
stop worrying about bis
oblique trail
Because almost no one will ever have the opportunity to even pick and choose between the proposed bis pieces, and even if you could, the difference between bis and near "bis" would be incredibly tiny. Like my brain || 
||
clever belfry
Literally play game and sim incremental upgrades
itll converge to bis
another edit
pulsar prawn
You're simming in an AoE spec there, but on ST Fury will compete, or perhaps eve...
yeah its m+ specc.. but raid aoe and raid st is like 5-10k diff ^^
oblique trail
Still a fairly substantial amount
pulsar prawn
surely for the 3 bosses 😄
oblique trail
If you want to look at how good a spec can look, which is basically what sims are for, you should also give it the best possible setup for the scenario you're checking it for
Whichever way, on AoE no the lego wont make us suddenly overtake DH unless more changes come in, but it's not like Fury is in a weak state either
Biggest problem for Fury is that you often find yourself doing very big pulls in M+ where Fury tapers off compared to other specs after their CDs
pulsar prawn
that legendary is not even worth the crafting price.. imo ^^
naive swallow
what materials do we need tho
oblique trail
You're free to not craft it
If I get it then I'll craft it because I simply just want to be as optimal as I can be
Even if the weapon doesn't really feel like a legendary, and only in name alone with its orange text
light jetty
does anyone have any healer alts
pulsar prawn
what materials do we need tho
https://www.wowhead.com/news/fyralath-the-dreamrender-crafting-materials-336372 not sure how the prices droppt.. but was 1-1,5mio gold
light jetty
warrior player for years but thinking about healing a lil for fun
south kayak
Oh shit is that you Mitch
light jetty
YO BOX
oblique trail
https://www.wowhead.com/news/fyralath-the-dreamrender-crafting-materials-336372 ...
It's not 1 mill anymore, more like half of it
frail trout
I just wish they gave us a pity cantrip weapon we could use while we wait for the empty orange bag to be filled
oblique trail
Which for a lot of people isn't a small amount
frail trout
which could take literally months
oblique trail
But it's not as unreasonable as on the literal day the lego mats were announced
south kayak
I just wish they gave us a pity cantrip weapon we could use while we wait for th...
Like shadows edge
frail trout
sure yeah
south kayak
warrior player for years but thinking about healing a lil for fun
Do it
clever path
does anyone have any healer alts
I had a prevoker alt in 10.1 and was kind of fun tbh for a bit
light jetty
i was thinking disc or rdruid
south kayak
I’m playing a discipline priest
light jetty
👍 or 👎
south kayak
Pog
clever path
👍
south kayak
I’m outhealing higher ilvl fellas
No 4p yet
Sad about that but none of the normal runs I did dropped a single venerated token
tacit crag
It's not 1 mill anymore, more like half of it
Area52 we funded our raiders first leggo mats for like 265k. I think they had some of the pricier mats already though, so not a full shopping list cost.
pulsar prawn
i did some math.. seems resonable now. (if the material quality doesnt matter)
south kayak
Damn 200 resonant crystals
Time to de stuff
So you can afford all this by just buying A token?
Cool
full forge
hey i had a question please, do most of ya run reck+avatar macros or manage them seperately in your rotation?
south kayak
Separately
gilded pawn
about 1.5 hours of wages
wanton mirage
why I cant earn right now? is it because i only need 12 more?
pulsar prawn
why I cant earn right now? is it because i only need 12 more?
season cap
pulsar prawn
boooooooox for how much you can swipe ?
south kayak
It’s gonna be three fiddy
pulsar prawn
350 tokens
south kayak
Just do a key
wanton mirage
alrite, end of rant. will do a key
south kayak
Can do as low as a 16 for that
I’m maintaining 4 chars
It’s hell
I probably shouldn’t be playing that much
south kayak
Rogue and warrior are 470+, earlock and hunter are 450+ but I just started on them
south kayak
u are pushing to cap on all 4?
Not really lol
wanton mirage
i like u doing cloth,leather,mail,plate
south kayak
Lmao that wasn’t intended
But yeah
Maybe priest too but I’m bummed about not getting 4P yet
Unlucky
lavish grove
4 warriors <:keks:936231610850897992>
verbal kettle
anyway to sim signet brand at certain number of stacks for pack to pack pulls?
lavish grove
Why would you tho
pine pollen
I have a question. Why is every fury build choosing the talent "Crushing Force"?
I don't use slam at all.
somber elk
I have a question. Why is every fury build choosing the talent "Crushing Force"?
Its your filler, wonder how you are Not using it
pine pollen
I use whirlwind as filler because everyone said slam is useless for fury
somber elk
Slam>ww
pine pollen
ok thx 😄
teal sable
Is it Bloodbath->Execute->Rampage in execute phase regardless overcapping rage or do you just Bloodbath->Rampage and use Execute as a rage generator
astral path
summer quail
Is it Bloodbath->Execute->Rampage in execute phase regardless overcapping rage o...
yes, as long as you have ashen juggernaut talented
then exe has prio over rampage in execute phase
teal sable
yes, as long as you have ashen juggernaut talented
Does that mean it works very well with the Fyrakk trinket? since that also extends with critical strikes?
summer quail
no clue what it means for the fyrakk trinket, all i know is that the fyrakk trinket owns
azure summit
question: one of the biggest challenges i have with specifically raid encounters is maintaining uptime through move-out mechanics and other circumstances and can sometimes end up at like two thirds of the casts of others in my ilvl bracket and a huge dps loss; ive always been a firmer believer in mechanics over throughput but are there any funky or clever positionings youve found on things like, smolderon or larry, where a lot of movement and things to dodge can end up costing you uptime?
like yeah of course some of it is just repetition and practice, but there’s folks that seem to find ways to stay superglued to have full rotation engagement for like 95% of a fight but without ignoring mechs
teal sable
yes, as long as you have ashen juggernaut talented
Even if you're in Recklessness duration where you overcap a lot?
gilded pawn
yes
teal sable
question: one of the biggest challenges i have with specifically raid encounters...
Use your movement abilities like Leap and Charge to have less downtime moving out of shit, time your defensives in a way that you'd be able to take some things in order to have more uptime, that's what I've been doing.
gilded pawn
same
summer quail
Robot says it's more damage
oblique trail
Execute itself has never been a super impactful button in terms of damage itself really for Fury
Both with and without Ashen
teal sable
Execute itself has never been a super impactful button in terms of damage itself...
Exactly, yet it's still prio over Rampage in execute phase
wanton mirage
Ez fix, blizz need to expand our rage pool
teal sable
Ez fix, blizz need to expand our rage pool
Yeah 130 wasn't enough
oblique trail
Because it generates a lot of rage, while also being a strong filler, which allows you to stay in your window of being able to use your hardest hitting abilities back to back
azure summit
Use your movement abilities like Leap and Charge to have less downtime moving ou...
yeah, ive been making active use of defensives and self-heals to coincide with some things. im trying to figure out why i have always struggled with this in raids while my uptime in keys is near-constant even when we’re talking heroic vs a +22. just easier repeat exposure in m+ i guess?
teal sable
Ez fix, blizz need to expand our rage pool
That's the funny thing you cap rage a lot and still miss it and have to use WW Slam BT sometimes
teal sable
yeah, ive been making active use of defensives and self-heals to coincide with s...
Tanks have things to do with that sometimes as well
azure summit
its ebb and flow, just be glad we have fillers to help on the inevitable gaps in the rampage bloodbath loop
wanton mirage
Everytime someone WW Slam, the chance to get Lego decrease by 0.1%
teal sable
Everytime someone WW Slam, the chance to get Lego decrease by 0.1%
Kekw
azure summit
Specially on Council
or smolder; like if everyone is baiting lava and theres an avenue for folks to stack or spread on the soak then you don’t have to move him literally halfway across the board
but some tanks overcommit for whatever reason
wanton mirage
I fucking hate some of the Tanks
I just hate council fights in general. My brain can't handle that clusterfk.
azure summit
i also just joined the guild i did, after my previous one decided to just go fully casual with raid logging galore. so i prolly just gotta get a better read on how our tanks are moving and doing.
azure summit
thats like the main selling point
no thinky smashy harder? thats why ive defaulted to warrior since vanilla regardless of what i main for a tier out of necessity
gilded pawn
like
both arms and fury are balanced around their cleave
so if you dont like council fights
wanton mirage
cant really say that as a warrior player
Fury is more of a Add cleave niche instead of full-on aoe or 2T for council though. Council seems like more of Arms thing. Isn't it?
gilded pawn
idk
well this council is more of an arms thing
but council fights are usually 3-4
and fury is supposedly good at that
its no outlaw but its still quite good
except fury can be so dogwater and loses to arms on 4t consistent
see 10.0
this was so sad
wanton mirage
I just say I hate it. I don't mean we are not good at it. It just tire my one brain cell looking at everything
gilded pawn
i remember arms niche at ad cleave
since BS was a dps loss on ST you always had it ready to snpe ads
naive summit
yo if i bloothirst a target below 35 with meatcleaver, will all the other targets take 50% of that buffed up execute bloodthirst? or do they take dmg equal to 50% of an unbuffed version
naive summit
ah interesting so no point in trying to snipe 35% mobs?
oblique trail
You can still mouseover BT them if you want to go through the effort of it, to make your BT do more damage and you don't necessarily have a priority target
naive summit
ah so this makes is so that its a full value execute bt instead of a cleaved 50% one?(on that target)
oblique trail
Yes
Although a lot of packs still have some priority target in some capacity, where the damage done typically is better spent on them
I.e on dangerous casters or high health but high damage mobs
One thing though that can be effective is keeping an eye out for Execute targets that you can mouseover Execute as a filler while your main target isn't in Execute range yet, to generate even more rage and while BT is on CD
naive summit
is ur mouseover execute the same button as regular execute?
oblique trail
Yes
There's a macro to make it still target your current target if there is no mouseover target
naive summit
does it ever mess u up with executing wrong guy?
oblique trail
Not personally no, because I have a habit of holding down right click when I'm not purposefully changing targets/want to use a mouseover
naive summit
ah i see
makes sense thanks
also, is it worth it to throw in an extra bt or slam if below max rage, but enough rage to alreaady rampage?
oblique trail
If it wont overcap you, you can use a BT yes
Although wouldn't use a Slam in that situation
It simply doesn't do enough as a button to delay your Rampage -> BB
naive summit
kk, is that only the case because of current tier? with the extra bt i mean
oblique trail
Because of the CDR yes, and because of Gushing Wound as well to generate a bit more rage than Slam would and put a bleed on the target
naive summit
ah bet
last question if i may(tysm). earlier someone said execute has higher prio than rampage
does that mean that u should press execute even if at max rage?
summer quail
Only if you have ashen juggernaut talented
naive summit
kk what about bloodthirst?
summer quail
Huh? Banezi literally just answered the bt thing
naive summit
i mean in execute range
is it worth to bt even if it will cap u just like with execute. sorry i phrased it poorly
oblique trail
If you're in Execute and it'll cap you, use Rampage then BB
naive summit
kk awesome
having a blast on fury with this tier set
i hope some form of it sticks via a talent or something
arms seems like a lot of fun too, insane aoe but havent tried it that much yet
chrome summit
how much mastery u guys end up with when u sim gear? ik just sim but just curious. Im at 54% atm. ahile sim pushed me toward 60 tho
but then i also seem to sim less then other ppl here link so idk xD
uneven plaza
PSA: Do not reflect Lord Waycrest in Waycrest Manor. Found out the hard way
uneven plaza
melee / tank / holy paladin problem
flat sapphire
PSA: Do not reflect Lord Waycrest in Waycrest Manor. Found out the hard way <:cr...
what happened
uneven plaza
Keys were depleted, tears were shed, My tank raged at me
flat sapphire
oh no T-T
uneven plaza
If the Boss targets u with "Virulent Plague" and you reflect that back onto the boss its gonna spread FROM the boss (sometimes its even invisible 
) to players
not fun
uneven plaza
Friendly Fire in DPS meters
pliant berry
lol
clever path
skill issue. reflect always. more dam.
I just say awh shit or awh fuck after i reflect it and my group knows what's about to happen lol
pliant berry
I just say awh shit or awh fuck after i reflect it and my group knows what's abo...
can relate, if it goes through u can watch debuff on boss to range it
clever path
But in a pug it can be very bad especially when it's invisible
tropic atlas
same with hex in AD the little dino will follow the tank polying every in melee xd
pulsar turtle
is warrior dps gonna stay this bad this whole season in keys?
fury is so behind in dps vs every other meta and semi meta dps class
clever path
A lot of it depends on when you have your cds and pack size.