fury

[open prairie]

wrong expansion

[oblique trail]

It is what it is

[open prairie]

the worst part is when your officer says

[oblique trail]

meanwhile DH and Rogue get timestrike non-unique

[open prairie]

“I’ll pay for the mats of the first lego axe that drops”

[oblique trail]

yeah that's not happening here

[eternal sundial]

My fyrakk HC 1h sims 300 worse than the 2h i have rn

[oblique trail]

if I get it I gotta pay it all myself

[open prairie]

is double time even bis in both for dh

[eternal sundial]

[oblique trail]

Thorncaller probably better

[open prairie]

i’ve heard conflicting opinions

[oblique trail]

idk what the simc profile has equipped

[open prairie]

primarily regarding its not realistic to have 489 double time

since vault only

[oblique trail]

yeah well

if you're talking bis

[eternal sundial]

Simply get it

[oblique trail]

then you assume you have access to everything

[open prairie]

i’ve heard double time is better aoe

[eternal sundial]

489 rezans also isnt insanely likely but people have it

[open prairie]

since thorn only dots main target

[oblique trail]

The simc profile uses double time and thorncaller

Still just think its silly they can use 2x of it

But Gorehowl has to be unique equipped for w/e reason

[open prairie]

rogue dagger too

[oblique trail]

yeah

real reason why Rogue and DH are broken rn

[open prairie]

unless you’re the alt rogue in guild who gets 489 nick

first vault

[open prairie]

nah aug

[clever path]

2 augs

and 1 dh

new meta

[oblique trail]

was a prank

[clever path]

[open prairie]

“It’s PI”

pov you get the floorpov priest

[oblique trail]

our rogue has multiple times explained how hooks dont work properly for rogue

or assa at least

so like half the abilities dont get accounted for the augs damage

[open prairie]

its pinned yes

as a bot command in that discord

some got fixed

sub’s tierset doesnt iirc

because its coded as pets

[shell quail]

I'm struggling to get raidbots to make it for me, can someone link a 486 cape with shadowflame

sorry, the simc ID

[open prairie]

technically bladeflurry but who tf is aug buffing an outlaw

[oblique trail]

back=,id=193511,enchant_id=6592,bonus_id=8836/8840/8902/9405/9499/8793/9379/8960/9498,crafted_stats=49/40,crafting_quality=5,ilevel=486

[shell quail]

Legend, thanks!

[oblique trail]

Imagine if warrior didn't have any hooks properly work

We could actually look sorta broken

[open prairie]

need pets for that

[oblique trail]

I got a pet

it's called mirror of fractured tomorrows

[open prairie]

lmao

[covert void]

meh, trinket I guess? as not got any raid trinkets, will go with hero might.

2 gloves in 2 slots though wtf. Or save one of those for next week, for cata myth tier.

2 pretty meh vaults in a row though

[slim coral]

I mean we have no clue on what your current gear is

[open prairie]

axe mog

sword i mean

[covert void]

lmao

[covert void]

I have a hero might / mirror as trinkets. Rest is pretty whatever right. Hero tier gloves, so only upgrade there is saving one of those for myth ones. already got 2 483 weaps.

[white terrace]

Is the talent build on the Mage tower wowhead guide, updated?

[covert void]

It's more me showing a meh vault 2 weeks in a row than asking which is best xD

[slim coral]

idol is much better than hero might

[floral oak]

every fyrakk group rn

[subtle knoll]

Leggos dropping much? We had two tonight

The other war getting all my gear this season

I need trinks and weps, can't seem to get either in vault or otherwise

[sterile shore]

Can someone help me to choose vault item if i send on private my gear and my stats? Please help

[subtle knoll]

Sim it

[serene moat]

Two for how many plate players? Heroic kill I guess?

[subtle knoll]

22

Yeah heroixlc

2 war and a dk

[serene moat]

22 plate players? That's a lot.

So 3

[oblique trail]

the BLP is 50% increase per week cope

[serene moat]

Guess u guys were really lucky

[slim coral]

well I have 4 embers

my chances are high

[open prairie]

[unreal onyx]

200% chance

Real

[proud bough]

drops two

one for each hand

[serene moat]

Where did u get that?

[slim coral]

he's being sarcastic

[subtle knoll]

Ya is it still about 600k roughly for mats?

[slim coral]

thats why he said cope

[unreal onyx]

50%, either you get it or you don’t

[serene moat]

[sterile shore]

bis trinket on heroic or 483ilvl shoulder mythic 2/4 ?

[unreal onyx]

What trinket

[sterile shore]

Augury

[jovial rover]

Smold trink ?

[subtle knoll]

Sim that shit

[unreal onyx]

Heroic augury?

Like, from heroic diff

Or hero track

[jovial rover]

Isn't heroic augury baseline mythic

[unreal onyx]

Yes

[sterile shore]

Yes. Please I have many options, may help if i give you all the detials in private ?

[slim coral]

what would help is if you sim it

tbh

[unreal onyx]

Details is sim, but augury fucks

[jovial rover]

I mean ... Augury all the way over m track tier.

[sterile shore]

So augury is good ?

[serene moat]

Augury is good

[sterile shore]

I also have rezan

And ocean

[serene moat]

And very rare

[sterile shore]

:((

[serene moat]

Tier isnt

[unreal onyx]

I‘d propably take augury as you‘ll most likely use it for the rest of the season. But sim to be sure

[jovial rover]

You can get mythic track tier with catalyst later.

[unreal onyx]

It’s easier to get myth track shoulders I think

[heavy ruin]

Still I hope some of them will get lucky

[unreal onyx]

I‘ve simmed my hero track augury vs myth track and the diff is „only“ 800dps

So I‘m pretty safe with mine so far

[latent ledge]

That's pretty minimal tbf

[unreal onyx]

Yea I also expected more

[heavy ruin]

It's 6 ilvl right?

[native wadi]

why tf is fury so thirsty for vers?

[jovial rover]

M track isn't that far from hero tho

[slim coral]

becuase it's one of our bis stats

[subtle knoll]

Cause crit sux and we got so much haste/ mast

[unreal onyx]

Vers gains the most value when you are „maxxed“ on the other stats

[slim coral]

our build does not benefit from haste or crit at all

[covert void]

crab actually sims really well it seems. Much higher than myth track gloves. I guess it depends, better trinkets out there. Time to do raids first for sure lol.

[young swan]

damage trinkets scale off vers and those are the best trinkets this tier, hitting stat dr on the other good stats as well

we have good crit supplements with bloodcraze, 2pc and reck and you dont really care much about haste past ~30%

thus vers and mastery value 📈

[serene moat]

Same for me. 750 dps st and 1,2k 5-target. Better wait for Fyrakk myth augury!

[native wadi]

makes sense

thx

[sterile shore]

How can I send my character info to sim someone for me with all my bag items and all my trinkkets and weapons ? Please help :(( Kinda new to this site

[native wadi]

also do you guys know how much dps does the shadowflame embellish give?

0.5%?

[serene moat]

Install simulationcraft addon

[young swan]

u can sim it in gear compare

[native wadi]

trying to figure out if i need ring or cloack and sims only shows it raw

[naive swallow]

4th week n people already doing 29s

wtf ...

[subtle knoll]

Did u take the trink

[fading sky]

Raw....

[sterile shore]

Not yet cuz idk :((

[serene moat]

1 batch ~ 1,2-1,5 k dps for me

[serene moat]

Take the trinket for sure

[subtle knoll]

Take it

[serene moat]

Sims don't count Item rarity

[subtle knoll]

Shoulders can be made, Aug is a top trunk and hsrd to get

[young swan]

in the sim result theres a little tick box that says "relative difference" or some shit like that, tick it

[subtle knoll]

Trink

[native wadi]

found it in gear compare

had no idea you could do this

lol

[slim coral]

I'm kinda dissapointed in the lego dmg

tbh

[pulsar prawn]

For that rarity and price

[young swan]

yeah its piss

[sterile shore]

Does anyone have premium thing on raidbots site ?

[subtle knoll]

Rather have gavel

Lol

[slim coral]

like think of all the weapons we had in the past

they were way better and free

well maybe not way

but not worth 600k in mats

lmao

[hybrid raft]

jaithys, gavel...

[oblique trail]

fuk gavel

[hybrid raft]

[unreal onyx]

🤓

[keen moon]

Gavel was overtuned

[unreal onyx]

Gavel good

[hybrid raft]

that fucker never dropped for me in s3

[young swan]

then fyralath is undertuned

the on use is just not good

[unreal onyx]

I got hc gavel with leech on our first kill

[young swan]

3 second gcd lockout for 500k damage is a joke

[slim coral]

Fyralath does like no dmg

considering the investment

tbh

[unreal onyx]

What else am I spending gold on then

[keen moon]

Does enrage increase this dmg btw?

[young swan]

nope

[unreal onyx]

Enrage only increases ability dmg I think

[slim coral]

nohting but I'm just saying

[unreal onyx]

Not item dmg

[young swan]

it is increased by nothing except crit and vers

[unreal onyx]

Crit doesn’t increase the dmg, just the chance no?

[keen moon]

600k gold is like 40‘ of work in reallife, that is ok for me 😅

[young swan]

obviously it does more damage if a boss has a vuln phase as well

[young swan]

that functionally increases the damage

[unreal onyx]

It increases avg dmg, but not baseline

[keen moon]

i agree that is underwhelming

[young swan]

it still increases damage

[unreal onyx]

Depends how you look at it

[young swan]

I look at it practically

and it increases damage

[slim coral]

I'd rather have a gavel 2.0

tbh

[unreal onyx]

If you say crit and vers increase its dmg that is overall correct, but they interact diff with it

Gavel fuck good

I don’t get all the hate on it

The only annoying part was the rng and the totem ghost

[young swan]

i too would prefer to just do more damage

gavel sucked because it was rng whether or not u did insane dam

[slim coral]

yeha but it was free

[young swan]

like you always did dam but did you do DAM or just dam

[spare otter]

Do we want to get embellishment pieces first to 486 before mythic track pieces?

[still swift]

today my war goes from old 4pc to new 4pc instantly yay

[unreal onyx]

Sim angle

[fleet parrot]

Aye should be an instant

[spare otter]

Yea y prolly right

[young swan]

i dont even mind the channel, just let us cast shit during it

[nova topaz]

2p

[unreal onyx]

I made aspect wrists and wyrm cloak from rep token so far

[young swan]

if it was like storm-eaters boon it would be fine

[spare otter]

Rep token?

Tf is that

[young swan]

they're just petrified of letting any plate dps that isnt uh dk be good for once

[unreal onyx]

From renown you get a enchanted wyrm crest

[still swift]

renown 20 gives u enchanted wyrm same as killing fyrakk quest

[spare otter]

Oh I haven't used that

Wait I have nvm

[unreal onyx]

Free 476 craft

[spare otter]

Yea

[unreal onyx]

(With spark)

No lost crests at least

[spare otter]

I'll just sim if it's better getting cloak to 486 instead of other pieces

[sterile shore]

Aaa. Sorry.

[slim coral]

I'll never forgive them for nerfing fury goign into SOTFOs

Necro was so good

then they killed it before it even went live

[young swan]

pretty sure warrior has been in a state of constant punishment since the crimes committed by arms in legion and bfa

[clever path]

Focus rage arms with gloves and ring go brrrr

[frozen tartan]

Warlocks and mages are allowed to reign? Also suddenly Unholy isn't at the top, blizzard comes to aid so fast 🥲

[sterile shore]

Aaa, the trinket isn't Augury, lol :(( I'm so noob :((

[slim coral]

what about the crimes all the other classes get to commit

like aug

[hybrid raft]

well dev got punished by coexistig with aug

[slim coral]

dev's pretty good rn

[delicate idol]

It's wild how literally every spec that equips agility is nuts

[subtle lagoon]

Devs are all janitors

[unreal onyx]

[chrome plover]

yeah feral and survival are always so nuts!!!

[unreal onyx]

Surv was insane in SL

At the end at least

Like dummy broken

[chrome plover]

yea but for 1 patch since it got turned into a melee

every other patch it’s almost the least played spec in the game

I’d rather be in warrior position (aka pretty good every patch just not op) than survivals

[delicate idol]

Okay but you're comparing a class to a spec

I'd rather have general hunter balance than warrior

[chrome plover]

I wouldn’t

[unreal onyx]

Warrior pretty good, Nathria

[chrome plover]

at least you take a warrior for buff

there’s been a couple of tiers with no hunters

[delicate idol]

I mean, being a token is a problem of it's own

[chrome plover]

yeah ofc but I’d still rather warriors position

at least we get to play

that being said maybe I’m the wrong person to be discussing this because I don’t give a shit if warrior is weak

[delicate idol]

That's fair, enjoyment outside of performance is definitely more healthy for the mental

[chrome plover]

I just think this is strictly false since 2 of their specs are dead outside of niche patches

[delicate idol]

Personally I find getting gapped by grey or green parsing agility classes to be frustrating

[chrome plover]

(also you did say spec not class)

[unreal onyx]

If I was constantly mid for raid and garbage for m+, I don’t think that’s „fair“

[delicate idol]

I did, and it was a bit of an exaggeration, but honestly, not that big of one

[unreal onyx]

Warrior has never been particularly good/well-liked in m+ since I play this game

[oblique trail]

Then your perception is as skewed as the community

Warrior has always been good for M+

Just never considered meta

[chrome plover]

yeah cos a group has 3 dps if you’re not top 3 you’re “garbage” when in actual fact warriors especially fury is almost always quite strong in m+

[hybrid raft]

except for prot on that bfa season i forget which one was it

[chrome plover]

warriors sit just below that ‘op’ line every patch pretty much

we’re still in the top half of m+ classes for sure

[oblique trail]

Prot in S2 of BFA was indeed very meta

[short spire]

B+

Some would argue A

[unreal onyx]

I know that and I don’t particularly care about the raid part, but since I pug 90% of my keys, I‘d like to not have to wait 30min to get into a 20

[oblique trail]

No one talked about raid though

You said M+

[short spire]

Play your key

[chrome plover]

yeah B+ to A is kinda dps warriors home

[oblique trail]

I gave an answer for M+

[short spire]

I struggled getting into keys

Played my own

Push to 2800 io

[oblique trail]

Warrior is good for M+, it's not bad or unliked

There are just some specs that are better

[unreal onyx]

Dmg is good for m+but we lack util massively

[short spire]

We just don’t get invited for lack of utility to affixes

[oblique trail]

It's always the util at the end of the day

[unreal onyx]

Abd util is what you want, especially in pugs

[short spire]

There are other specs that can dps so hard In m+ with utilities so they’d pick them over us

[chrome plover]

all dps don’t get invited because 100 dps sign to every 20 in 30 seconds

[oblique trail]

not gonna go into it after the 57th time

[chrome plover]

why would you pick yourself

over anyone else

[sterile shore]

My friend always tell me that warrior is OP everytime, any patch and so on... 😐 Is he pro or is it true ?

[chrome plover]

it’s not op

hasn’t been for a long time

[oblique trail]

I don't know about OP but it's certainly been average/above average for a long while

[unreal onyx]

I wouldn’t

[oblique trail]

Only exception in recent time would be Nathria

[unreal onyx]

Thats why it’s a horrible pug experience

[chrome plover]

not because of warrior though

just because of how many people play dps for 3 spots

proportionally

[unreal onyx]

Most dps have a redeeming quality (cr, bl, stun, kicks, …) but warrior just has none of that

They straight up can’t deal with 2 affixes

[short spire]

Exactly

Warriors = up for war

Go in mash buttons

Learn to perfect your combo deal 1mill dps easily

Fuck stuns fuck affixes leave that to them

You just pump dps

[unreal onyx]

Surely that’s what pugs are looking for

[short spire]

Don’t pug

Push your keys

[half cargo]

This is a genuine issue that’s pretty shocking hasn’t been addressed

As for the rest

You have 2 stuns and a short cd kick

Cr can be done with engi

[flat river]

hmmm

[hybrid raft]

just put in the invite note that you will taunt/reflect shit, surely pugs will invite you now

[unreal onyx]

[flat river]

signet of last elder has a socket :O

[short spire]

How tf do we get the legendary weapon?

Is there a way to grind it

[flat river]

is ashes good at all?

[rustic obsidian]

is it worth going LFR for the bad luck protection item drop possibility or nah?

[stiff barn]

I don't think fyrakk is available in lfr yet.

[rustic obsidian]

i mean the items should drop from other bosses too

[stiff barn]

On hc and mythic only

[rustic obsidian]

rly, then its not worth it 😄

[still swift]

t31 feels way awkward man

[oblique trail]

it does initially

But it gets better as you play it more

[flat river]

is ashes of embersoul any good?

[oblique trail]

It's a trinket

[flat river]

nah like

should i focus on getting something else

[stiff barn]

It does get better, but I enjoyed it even when testing in df beta, so was easy for me to get in to the groove.

[oblique trail]

There are better trinkets than Embersoul

[flat river]

so i should probbably get the mythic track ring

[unreal onyx]

Most likely

[flat river]

and farm a trinket

[unreal onyx]

Get might/augury/crab for m+

[wild mural]

let's goooo

[unreal onyx]

And signet/augury for raid

Imo

[unreal onyx]

HPS gaming

[subtle lagoon]

Augury

[wild mural]

I didn't get tertiarys all tier last tier

finally I get some

[storm steeple]

Do my stats seem off? 17% cirt, 27% haste, 60% mastery, 23% vers??

[unreal onyx]

Do sims say they are off?

[storm steeple]

thats what sims highest single target. for M+ do I want more haste?

[chrome plover]

no you want roughly the same for both ST and M+

[clear light]

i got more crit than haste when simming for m+

[sudden thicket]

Nice little surprise in the vault today

[chrome plover]

that is dirty

[wild mural]

I did loads of keys last week so had plenty of options

[tender cairn]

I did a heroic dungeon

[wild mural]

I did a 17

[tender cairn]

tried getting into some m's

unfortunate

[chrome plover]

I did about 20 20s…

[wild mural]

ew

[terse ether]

Usually crit is favoured in multi target situation

[chrome plover]

needed brh neck it is what it is

[terse ether]

Brh neck for me is downgrade 😆

[wild mural]

🛏️

[chrome plover]

was 5k dps :)

[terse ether]

From Tindral is the biggest upgrade

For me

[wild mural]

Volocoross neck is a bigger upgrade than tindral for me

[terse ether]

That's wild

[wild mural]

BRH neck at 483 is biger than both at 489

but am I gonna farm it?

am I fuck

[proud vessel]

can someone explain this difference? yesterday i simmed 172k and now with a helm upgrade i sim 168k?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hWzsfHDmb6PoHnRJSnAHwb

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3myn9jv6nNr7DwVTMK3D4o

The helm does sim as an upgrade even when i include the old helm in the sims its lower then yesterday

[heavy ruin]

APL/Sims can change

One is missing WFT

It's most likely that

And is using Tepid instead of Corrupting

[summer zephyr]

How much haste are you trying to sit around this season?

[heavy ruin]

I've read 30% ish, or at least that more than that isn't that good, but you should always sim yourself

[summer zephyr]

Yea I’m using sims but they were telling me to drop lots of haste (I’m at 26% right now) that’s why I’m asking

[clever belfry]

can happen

trust robot

[proud vessel]

what is WFT? and i always use tepid xD

[clear thicket]

Shiet

I'm at 38% haste xD

[sage nimbus]

Wind fury totem

[proud vessel]

thanks

[clear thicket]

I have wafting as enchant, should prolly switch to earthen then

[chrome plover]

you can sim that too

[wild mural]

Wow! Is there anything you CAN'T sim!?

[naive swallow]

idk man im simming my life next

next 5 yrs , i better walk in between the road and sidewalk

[wild mural]

Oh yeah I can't sim if my parents will ever love me

[hybrid raft]

how good your m+ pug is gonna perform

sadly

[wild mural]

there's forbidden knowledge in this world

[naive swallow]

min maxing between getting hit by cars / being strike by pedestrians

[clear thicket]

No need to sim, 99% they're utter crap

Can't wait to pug ToTT this week

[wild mural]

can't wait to do 1 17 this wek

[sudden tusk]

throne bosses are fucked

[naive swallow]

rly , feels fun as wayor ngl

except for the first

[icy topaz]

Fury people whats a decent overall in keys ?

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

owo

[naive swallow]

which key

with how many purple class lmao

[icy topaz]

Good question

[clever belfry]

uwu

[chrome plover]

it varies quite a lot based on key and pulls to be honest

[naive swallow]

nah get 2 purpies u gd to go

u could be pressing slam the whole dungeon and still +2

[icy topaz]

Dh and bm hunter makes me feel its not fair xd

And thats the first season so far i feel this way

[naive swallow]

been farming tides the last few days , id say

[frozen tartan]

Vault got me something this time at least!

[naive swallow]

gd reference would be , 20 tides fort , one purple class just one ffs

280k overall , ur pretty much 90 percentile

s2 was fukt aswell

but ye

[empty grove]

anybody get the leggo?

[eternal sundial]

Karsenius got it last week

[chrome plover]

well they both lost like 5% damage this week

https://tenor.com/view/it-aint-much-but-its-gif-19981723

wtf is that bitcoin logo

cursed gif

[civic hedge]

I Simmed the Catacysmic Signet Brand, and it says +20k DPS in ST on Ilvl 483. . Is that Sim Right? Want to Swap out Oceans Might on 476.

[jaunty solar]

welp

I currently have Cataclysmic Signet (but heard its bad for M+/Multitarget?) and Mirror

[chrome plover]

you take a socket probably from that one

[jaunty solar]

dunno if I should take pip or catalyst head cause its hero and i have champion

[chrome plover]

oh if you have champion head you could do that

[jaunty solar]

but thought that Pip could be better than my mirror

not sure

[chrome plover]

I dont think it would be

but also you can farm ocean/crab/rezan

[hybrid raft]

just get a hero head from m+

[chrome plover]

or get augury

and they are all better for both

same with getting a hero head from m+

[jaunty solar]

yeah

[chrome plover]

if that were my vault i'd be taking a socket but it looks like you dont do m+ that much

so might be different for you

[jaunty solar]

Missed a week, otherwise already smashin 20ties

[chrome plover]

oh then easy socket

and farm the other pieces

[jaunty solar]

true true, i can cata anything

aight

Thank you!

[shell jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

[chrome plover]

big neck

[shell jackal]

is it worth the little bit extra mast/vers?

[chrome plover]

if there isnt anything else

it's a bis item

[keen moon]

How to sim the leggy?:)

[chrome plover]

idk if you maybe have a champion chest or shit boots or whatever

[chrome plover]

just add it to gear compare

[keen moon]

Ty:)

[shell jackal]

you got it?

[final stream]

any tips, i've been playing fury and arms, but mostly fury since its ahead, i have the rezan and branch trinket

[shell jackal]

mirror

wish i got mirror

i hate to be that guy, but

[sudden tusk]

imma be real dog

might of the ocean is a fucking baller trinket

[shell jackal]

oh i didn't see might

yeah

dont even need to sim just take might

[sudden tusk]

i would take it 9/10 times

with the 10th being mythic signit brand

[hybrid raft]

[shell jackal]

his vault was better than mine

[hybrid raft]

it is what it is

i chose a chest piece for myth track but i can't cata it until next week

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome plover]

what the fuck is that 4 trinket vault

[grave matrix]

just swapped from Arms

do my stats suck?

[chrome plover]

yeah kinda but it's ok

[shell jackal]

yo chawie

look at my vault and help me decide which turd to polish

the bracers are vers/mast myth track, the ring from myth. igira is smol crit, heavy heavy vers

and everything else is kinda shit except the neck? i guess?

[chrome plover]

i know what the stats are on those items but idk what you have

i already said this

[shell jackal]

i did not

realise this

i'll sim it

[chrome plover]

#fury message

[shell jackal]

ah

i have those exact same boots but 4/6 hero track

and i have myth track tier chest, gloves, shoulders, helm

sorry, helm is hero track

[oblique trail]

is today the day

where Fyrakk hands me his orange rod

[shell jackal]

i have the neck at 3/6 hero track

[oblique trail]

I think it is

[chrome plover]

then you just choose between neck and socket imo

[hybrid raft]

[oblique trail]

get your mind out of the gutter

[shell jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[open spade]

is Ouroboreal necklet good for fury ?

[oblique trail]

not really

[shell jackal]

nah

[oblique trail]

it's okay but there are better statted necks by far

[shell jackal]

use it for stats if u dont have anything better, but yeah. what the horndog banezi said.

[oblique trail]

and the effect is fairly limited where you can actually get use out of it (on an already tanky spec)

[open spade]

cheers ❤️

[oblique trail]

It might see use in some omega high Everbloom keys ig

But in raid, even on mythic, the shield wont really do much

[shell jackal]

it might be okay? for nymue prog?

but i dont think its worth the stat trade-off

[oblique trail]

Nymue is easy to live for Fury

[shell jackal]

oh pog didn't know that, cool

my guilds only 4/9 & larodar is next

[oblique trail]

huh

Larodar before Nymue?

interesting

Nymue is generally easier to kill first

[shell jackal]

🤷‍♂️

damn alright

yeah i think we have some giganumbers so RL was like ok send larodar. if we can get him then we'll get nymue type of thing

[unreal onyx]

Tbh, I found larodar to not be very hard

For my guild nymue was harder bc much more personal responsibility

[shell jackal]

okay see

exactly the issue my guild has

so larodar first is the play

[unreal onyx]

We killed larodar yesterday

[shell jackal]

i saw, congrats

[unreal onyx]

31 pulls and I got pants

[shell jackal]

31 isn't bad

what was the hardest part? like, who did you have shooting piss & how was the healing

[unreal onyx]

Considering my RL accidentally kicked me out of the ingame calendar I was lucky to be online anyway

[unreal onyx]

Healing in P2 gets spicy from what I‘ve seen

[chrome plover]

pog in game calendar raid invites

i miss those

😔

[unreal onyx]

We only use those

[shell jackal]

same

mines all done through discord

[unreal onyx]

My guild also uses teamspeak for raid 1

[shell jackal]

lolxd, you're a cultured man of the warrior class

[unreal onyx]

But our raid 2 uses the discord

[shell jackal]

i'm simming it now, but what would you pick?

[summer zephyr]

What rings would you consider bis for us in s3?

[shell jackal]

outta curiosity

[unreal onyx]

Propably catalyze chest if you don’t have one yet

[shell jackal]

already got it myth track

[unreal onyx]

Or sockie for myth helm if you have one

[shell jackal]

was thinking socket tbh

first socket of the season so early. wanted augury. think doing mythic actually cucked my vault chances haha

[unreal onyx]

In thinking the same but I desperately need weapons

So today I got a double-shot on gnarl hammer

+3x m+ chance

[shell jackal]

we have too many melee/dps so i'm being subbed out next week to give everyone a ''fair chance''

they also gave the gnarlroot weapon to our bdk main tank, but in fairness he did have a 441 asscandy still, so

[unreal onyx]

I am using a 476 champion track sword + 450 ashkandur

If I don’t get a weap I am going insane

[slim coral]

gotta give bench players time

[shell jackal]

[slim coral]

or else no bench

[shell jackal]

how about

[slim coral]

and every guilds need bench palyers

[oblique trail]

Ima be real here

They're both fairly similar in difficulty

But Larodar loot sucks ballsacks

And Nymue has sick caster gear

[slim coral]

Larodar is very team reliant

[oblique trail]

And Larodar imo has way more personal responsibility for the hosers

[slim coral]

most of the other bosses are kinda yolo

[unreal onyx]

We got larodar down way easier than nymue

On larodar melees can chill 80% of the time

[slim coral]

we got nymue down in 2 pulls

larodar took us like 30

[unreal onyx]

Whereas you play ddr on nymue

[oblique trail]

If your cleaners are shit on Larodar

then hf

it'll be a shit show

And both bosses are fairly payphone for melee

Nymue you just walk between some lines and soak flowers

[chrome plover]

we were the opposite

[oblique trail]

Larodar you just hope you dont get rooted in fire

[chrome plover]

lardoar died so fast

but nymue was like 30

[oblique trail]

Either way

[slim coral]

yeah just depends on your guild

[oblique trail]

Going Nymue first is arguably the better option gear wise

[unreal onyx]

I haven’t been rooted once in our whole larodar prog

[oblique trail]

Since they're both quite similar in terms of pulls

[shell jackal]

🤔

[chrome plover]

we went nymue first and it was early as fuck

i guess

so maybe that's why it took longer too

[unreal onyx]

I can see hiw for most guilds going nymue first is the better play

[chrome plover]

everyone gained 10 ilvls first night nymue vs larodar

pmuch

[shell jackal]

so don't pick the myth track raven neck, but pick the boots?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pu6mftVFn5i2MdXPLk7zwu

also i feel like at 480 i should be 200k+ already

i'm dog at this game

[unreal onyx]

I just fibd it sad that the only non-489 ilvl gear is a rare trink from fyrakk

[wild mural]

Same broski same

[chrome plover]

no your simming with m+ talents

[oblique trail]

You're simming in AoE talents

[unreal onyx]

Usually the last 2 drop +3 ilvl gear

[chrome plover]

so ofc you dont do 200k

[wild mural]

I don’t sim 200k in st talents

[unreal onyx]

Syi sims 300k

[naive swallow]

finally 280 in tides

feelsnormman

[shell jackal]

holy shit i'm cooked. i'll run it again

[summer zephyr]

already got the myth chest, im thinking about that ring

[wild mural]

I should actually do some 20s next week maybe

[chrome plover]

you also select way too many options, you dont need to sim wrists, you know they will be worse than embellishment

you dont need to sim crit gems

etc

[oblique trail]

You say this but like..

[shell jackal]

but when i simmed yesterday it told me to get crit/mast gems

[shell jackal]

^

[chrome plover]

my robot has never told me to put crit gems in

[wild mural]

Cause I do so many keys

[chrome plover]

huh

[chrome plover]

yeah u cant complain about anything

[sage rune]

rezan or glove angle?

[wild mural]

I don’t complain about shit

[shell jackal]

rezan right? its like, auto-pick

[wild mural]

My chars trash through choice

[shell jackal]

its bis outside of signet brand or augury

[chrome plover]

you are also simming neck with no sockets in :)

so you are losing like 3k dps or some shit

from it

[sage rune]

its 1k over my branch of torment but it seems to only be good for st no?

[shell jackal]

the neck is a vault sim

[proud vessel]

@mossy fox sorry for the ping but i cant find what WA or addon gives you the ability debuff and buff left and right of the nameplates?

[shell jackal]

so i can't pick it and socket it in case that's not what i'm meant to pick

right?

[oblique trail]

Press the little "+" on the item

And you should be able to add even if it's a GV item

[shell jackal]

oh

[chrome plover]

yeah

i mean simming it with no sockets is just useless

[shell jackal]

bro i told you i don't know how to play this game

[earnest olive]

after 4 secs we hit avatar to proc more odyns fury yeah?

[chrome plover]

yeah

[shell jackal]

i like that we get odyn's fury this season

i love the ability

[calm mantle]

Why are there 2 of the same sets here? whats the difference?

[polar trail]

1 is pvp

[heavy ruin]

You should ask this on his Discord

[polar trail]

Marked “elite”

The pve are probably a bit higher base level, both can go up to 483 I think

[shy knot]

Pick pvp

[calm mantle]

yeah one says "when equiped in arena 489, i missed that

[shy knot]

Elite skin and top pvp ilvl

[calm mantle]

Ima pick non pvp because 473 so less upgrading but thank you.

[chrome plover]

:kekw

does pvp stuff go up to same ilvl in pve

as pve stuff

🤔

[clever belfry]

yeah

they changed that

[chrome plover]

does it have vers on by default

[clever belfry]

like last week

[clever belfry]

no

[chrome plover]

like other pvp gear

oh

[clever belfry]

its same items for tier

[shell jackal]

so we wasted our tokens and should've just been getting the elite gear all along

[proud vessel]

didnt know he has a disc

[chrome plover]

thought there could maybe be some trickery

[clever belfry]

before they changed it last week u could only buy champ track gear w/ mastery token for pvp

[chrome plover]

[calm mantle]

Wait whats' difference ebtween elite and none elite?

[chrome plover]

elite is more elite

ilvl goes up in pvp

[calm mantle]

so no reason to get it if i don't care for pvp?

[chrome plover]

no

[shell jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2VUM74HKoT4jJDPftFajcD

chawie i apologise for wasting ur time but

am i doing this right now

[lyric panther]

Is Fyralath simming garbage for anyone? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464578385755111444/1181907839120326687/image.png?ex=6582c473&is=65704f73&hm=b6f1032c96c3af2de18d9502bdc8b687bdba3e6e96626789e7685368a178cce0&

[clever belfry]

maybe link the sim and not a screenshot like that

[stark depot]

Why you sim it as 492?

[clever belfry]

might be the quest item

without effect

[lyric panther]

is it not 492? I was just reading the wowhead article and the links there are to a 492 version with the full effect

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYs5BTChk8a59Pfii2rrNa

[edgy widget]

It’s 496

[chrome plover]

firstly it's 496

[edgy widget]

But Blizz has data for it at various ilevels

[grave matrix]

what would you craft as 3rd item guys

Ring?

[clever belfry]

it definetly isnt proccing its passive or active in the sim you linked

[lyric panther]

guys I'm stupid

I did MH/MH

ignore 😄

[chrome plover]

im sorry to say it but no

this is still fucked

[clever belfry]

ah yeah

[lyric panther]

10k

[clever belfry]

2nd mh overwrites

first

[shell jackal]

hahahahahah FUCK okay

[clever belfry]

xd

linked same sim

[lyric panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2NMpfnfRBmvKdoddhPSoC4

[oblique trail]

I swear

THey must've reduced teh chance for Yazma to target warriors

after they made it SR'able

[red yew]

Cope

[clever belfry]

daily banezi cope

[oblique trail]

gg wrong ring

[red yew]

Np you can give it to me then

[oblique trail]

sure if you give me lego

easy trade

[red yew]

No wtf

Not fair trade

[oblique trail]

I don't even think it's better than my current rings even with a hole

owari da

[astral path]

i fucked up and killed normal fyrakk cause the group listed heroic

is it still possible for axe drop?

[red yew]

And you value it the same as leggo..

[clever path]

I'm in a heroic guild and I've got Signet Brand (Heroic) in vault and a 489 Rezan's, right now the signet brand sims higher on 5 mins fights (1k higher) but I am not sure

[clever belfry]

id atleast wait until after raid

if you dont get augury+brand ez rezan take

[clever path]

I have augury already (just the normal one)

[river reef]

@chrome plover any vaulters?

[flat river]

Socket pog

[astral path]

someone stole my heroic signet today

pain

[flat river]

"your"?

[chrome plover]

after work

[river reef]

[chrome plover]

sophie not awake at 8am to open with me 😡

so had to wait

[oblique trail]

this is why I don't have a GF

no one to stop me from opening vault

[river reef]

surely thats the reason banezio

[flat river]

XD

[wraith wharf]

I believe so, iirc it works like this (numbers just an example and not accurate) normal has a 5% drop, heroic has 10, killing normal eats that 5% so your heroic kill that week will only be 5% to drop

[flat river]

It is still possible yes

[oblique trail]

what a shit ring

-1600 dps

owari

sockets really mean nothing anymore

[iron portal]

Only socket to fill

Is your heart

[oblique trail]

found no gem to fit yet

[iron portal]

We shall look then

[wraith wharf]

Try pie instead

[astral path]

shaman pulling 60kdps stole it from me

[unreal onyx]

Real

[craggy moss]

Mirror or Last Boss crit trinket guys? Have ocean and crab already

[unreal onyx]

Last boss crit trinket?

[oblique trail]

Augury

[unreal onyx]

Ahhh

[craggy moss]

Yes 🙌

[unreal onyx]

Augury then

Imo

[craggy moss]

Its better for m+ too?

[oblique trail]

If you already have Might of the Ocean

Then it's just a clear Augury pick

Mirror is strong but it makes simming painful, and can desync in keys

[unreal onyx]

Augury/might fuck in m+

[oblique trail]

Where Might of the Ocean is consistent

[unreal onyx]

I don’t like the lack of ms on both but they make up for it with their effects

[pearl quarry]

I haven't seen this in the guides I was referencing, does anyone happen to have a ballpark for what your secondary stat percentages ought to be? Pre-enrage that is.

[oblique trail]

It hasn't been stated anywhere because there aren't really any particular percentages you need to be at or around

[pearl quarry]

There's no point at which you can say "Maybe this is too much of Haste"?

[oblique trail]

Generally speaking Fury can use any stat, but ideally you just want Mastery + Anything else, and sim your character on Raidbots with Top Gear to figure out what is best with whatever you have

[iron portal]

Sim has all the answers.
In sim we trust

[unreal onyx]

You can if your sim says so

[iron portal]

And yes, the whole game of wow is basically

Sim yourself

[unreal onyx]

Literally

The rest is understanding your rotation

And gg

[iron portal]

Simulation of simulation

[unreal onyx]

I remember when anvil undersimmed in s2

And then it was bis when fixed

(I passed twice on it before fix)

[granite tiger]

anyone can check my logs to help me pls #449510248579858432 message

[frosty scroll]

does any1 know if i can just start collecting superbloom bags now and just use em as soon as i have the leggo quest?

[hybrid mulch]

Any new leggos after reset?

[proud vessel]

all crafted wep deal the same dmg right?

[chrome plover]

yes but i would not advise crafting a weapon

[forest owl]

im guessing ocean trinket is the play here, i have all tier hc-mythic tracks, dont have ocean yet, so trinket it is?

[craggy moss]

do we aim for 40 % crit 40% haste unbuffed without food?

[chrome plover]

yes I would say so

[chrome plover]

no

[craggy moss]

ah wrong channel

mean arms

[proud vessel]

Ohh why not?

[sage rune]

yes

[frosty scroll]

does any1 know if i can just start collecting superbloom bags now and just use em as soon as i have the leggo quest?

[chrome plover]

it is only 3ilvls higher than hero weapon and you can get 489 from first boss mythic or vault, also legendary (copium)

almost never worth it for 2 sparks when they are only 486 this patch

[proud vessel]

true, thanks

[clear crescent]

Tomorrows sims best but dont know if pip is better overall

[rapid blade]

is signet brand trinket bad if the fights are short? just did council and it only did 500k while my rezans did 1.3m

[frosty scroll]

yes brand is best on longer fights

[sage rune]

yes

need time to get stacks

[spiral night]

def. want to get mirror, its not even close

[oblique trail]

It is close

[chrome plover]

I would rather have crab/ocean than mirror

[oblique trail]

Simwise Mirror will usually beat most trinkets

But in practice it's easy to desync during keys, or in raid if you have to hold

[spiral night]

i wouldt take anything but mirror unless the comparable trinket its myth track

[oblique trail]

You also have cases where if you're fairly unlucky with your gear, it can proc a stat that isn't necessarily great for you

[clear crescent]

the myt track makes me wanna go tomorrow

[spiral night]

489 str. mainstat trink is good even if used subuptimal

[eternal nebula]

would you take a pair of non tier shoulders to catalyst next week or take the socket

[indigo quarry]

If its mythic track take shoulder

[eternal nebula]

yeah, its myth

[rare ferry]

Hi there!

[oblique trail]

Idk maybe ask in #pvp

but probably not no

you can play it but its always going to be worse

[strong dew]

After shadowflame Cloak and vers Wrists, in what slot should I craft Alchemical flavor pocket?
Thanks!

[oblique trail]

Ring

[chrome plover]

probably ring

[sage rune]

ring

[frail trout]

pointless question I guess because its probably months before I'll see this thing but when would you ideally use the active on the legendary?

in a single target opener

[clever path]

i think its simmed to do it on pull

[oblique trail]

Sims do it after charge and before CDs

[frail trout]

thanks

[strong dew]

Ty!

[fickle bone]

what do i do? Ring or trinket (got all m+ trinkets + aug hc)

pips seems to be good in aoe+tot trinket

[chrome plover]

I would never use pips over augury+ocean tbh

[fickle bone]

why

[chrome plover]

because it's worse

[gaunt scarab]

Gorehowl mythic in my vault ❤️ is it the bis weapon to combine with fyr'alath ?

[fickle bone]

but but

[chrome plover]

considering you will probably craft a ring this week and the dht one is better than that (assuming it doesnt have a socket) I would probably take a piece for catalyst

[fickle bone]

wearing aug+tot

[fickle bone]

maybe, but that would be 1st boss pants

[chrome plover]

not the pants

the other two

[chrome plover]

aoe sims are a bit cooked

what is this like 5 minutes 5 targets

m+ is not like that

augury is pretty tried and tested and it owns

[fickle bone]

no need, other are mythic pieces, only pants

[chrome plover]

then it's either try out trinket or socket tbh

[fickle bone]

its just a feeling ill regret not taking pips if something changes with trinkets

[chrome plover]

I dont think that ring is good enough (unless it has a socket already) and I wouldnt use that trinket so I would personally take a socket

always nice to have trinkets though

for that reason

so i wouldnt blame you for wanting to take it

socket is only like 900dps

[fickle bone]

yea im prety close to chosing socket 😄

sadness, no weapon, no lego

socket colector

[graceful dock]

ring has socket, chest doesnt, is ring better longterm? chest is big ilvl upgrade and sim 0.4% better but no socket

[frail trout]

I too am a socket collector

I'm 479 and had to pick socket twice already

in less than a month of vaults

[fickle bone]

chest you get from nymue, so consider how far are you from getting it

also gear pieces give you more stam

[graceful dock]

hmm i should be able to clear nymue this week no problem

my current chest piece is ilvl 460 so the jump is big like pure ilvl wise

ring stats arent optimal either? no mastery right

[fickle bone]

also survivability, i dont think ring is the best stats, but also not sure how quick it would be replacable

[gritty patrol]

guys can some1 explain why do we craft back?

[oblique trail]

lowest stat budget

so you use that slot for the shadowflame embellishment

embellishments don't care what slot you put them on, only the ilvl of the item

[sage hamlet]

is it worth going dancing blades on tyrannical week?

[oblique trail]

It's worth for every week

[graceful dock]

damn hard choice

[oblique trail]

It's better than titanic rage regardless

[sage hamlet]

rly?

[oblique trail]

yes

[gritty patrol]

@oblique trail so what if recraft my belt from 447 to 486?

[oblique trail]

Titanic just makes your rotation easier

[oblique trail]

I mean you can put shadowflame on the belt too, but generally your first 2 crafts should just be embellishments

The thing is that the crafted item max ilvl is 3 lower than the max possible

Which is why you put them in the lowest stat budget slots

You also have a good selection of belts this season, like the one from Darkheart Thicket

[mellow bobcat]

just hit 481 ilvl and still feel weak 😦

[gritty patrol]

@oblique trail ty for explain

[rapid blade]

its because of your transmog

[frail trout]

I get passed up on every cataclysm brand we see

It goes to literally anyone but me

Idk if they are juicing their sim gain when reporting their results but damn, feels bad

[oblique trail]

Whichever way I do my sims, Brand always shows as a 3k upgrade compared to a 483 Might/Rezan

[stark depot]

You just do it wrong, saw someone getting it cause he was simming with cheat death trinket

[frail trout]

[grave matrix]

could someone link their damage chart from key?

[oblique trail]

Haven't looked at it for a while, but usually roar is higher

[grave matrix]

mine is almost the same

first time playing Fury

[warm crag]

get augury diffed noob

[oblique trail]

I am not allowed any trinket from the raid

[shell jackal]

did we actually have a consensus on the best way to run your weekly raids where BLP / the axe is concerned? i saw someone suggest a full normal run before a full hc run

[lost rivet]

Whats the best way to sim the signet of titanic insight without already crafting it?

[chrome plover]

gear compare

[warm crag]

BLP probably? only takes effect next week so do whatever order you want as long as you clear it all

[silent burrow]

Man am I the only one completely underwhelmed by the lego? I kinda like, don't even care. It doesn't seem worth the time and gold

[lost rivet]

No way I can select multiple gems/enchants per item set?

Do i have to duplicate 1000x?

[marble schooner]

im doing full hc clear except fyrakk > Fyrakk N > Fyrakk HC atm

[chrome plover]

yeah you pretty much just duplicate a lot of times unless you do it in advanced sim but i think that's more effort

[final delta]

doesn't make sence for BLP... lesser drop only from hc or higher, and the fyrakk token basically gets split. for example normal gives 5% and hc gives 10%. if u do normal first the hc token gives 5% bc u got the first 5% from normal (number are imaginary)
atleast thats what i understand out of this server

[marble schooner]

im sure its just superstition at this point, but Blizzard hasnt clarified so

[shell jackal]

it sure would be great if they clarified. cheers soryen, i'll prolly do that then

[chrome plover]

I'm pretty convinced it doesnt matter as long as you do the highest difficulty you can

idk why they'd change it from sark

and they said it would work cumulatively

based on difficulty

[marble schooner]

if the normal token and hc token both give 5% and split then you HAVE to do Normal first

[rich palm]

I'm sure I read that if you clear heroic it counts your chance from all difficulties below. So no point in normal if you clear heroic.

[marble schooner]

so your HC kill has 5% extra drop chance

by that logic

[chrome plover]

As with Nasz’uro, completion on higher difficulties will include your chances from all uncompleted lower difficulties that week–this also includes the cumulative increase in chances for future weeks.

[rich palm]

Yup

[chrome plover]

based on this, it doesnt matter if you do normal first

or heroic first

[final delta]

hc only gives 5% brcause u got the normal token. if u go straight jc u get 10%

[chrome plover]

yeah exactly

[marble schooner]

yes but that extra is after you consume the token

is it not?

is the token just cosmetic?

[final delta]

u don't get extra

u get 10% if only killed hc and u get 5% and 5% for killing normal + heroic

so it end's up at 10% at the end regardless of what u do

[chrome plover]

the only thing that could possibly matter for doing normal first is whether the normal token would apply to your chance to drop the legendary for heroic

I am under the assumption that the token consumption applies to the following reset

[final delta]

normal doesn't drop lesser, right?

[marble schooner]

What I mean is, lets say right now you have 1% drop in N, and 4% drop in HC, i Understand that if you do HC first you have 5% drop, but the greater embers lets say increase your drop chance by 5%.

if you did HC first you would do it with just 5% drop chance, but if you did normal first and consumed the token you would then do HC and have 4% + 5% drop from N token = 9% drop

[chrome plover]

no but normal fyrakk will drop a greater

[lost rivet]

Man I am really curious if normal first has a higher drop chance overall because u get greater ember from fyrakk from normal aswell

[final delta]

yea and the greater doesn't add to the heroic, no?

[marble schooner]

thats literally my whole point

[marble schooner]

we dont know

thats what ive been saying

[chrome plover]

ye that's the thing we dont know

soryen is assuming it applies instantly, im assuming it applies to the following reset

neither of us know

[floral oak]

prolly does nothing

[marble schooner]

that why I said its surely just superstition, but im better safe than sorry

[chrome plover]

if he is right, doing normal first matters

[marble schooner]

exactly

[chrome plover]

but i think it'd be dumb if it worked like that (but not unlike blizzard to make it dumb)

especially when they said only the highest difficulty matters

but could be an oversight

[formal ravine]

Did they nerf signet brand starting dmg or is this a tooltip bug i am seeing ?

[chrome plover]

they didnt nerf signet brand since ptr

[formal ravine]

I mean it used to say 300k dmg over 6 sec, now it's saying 7k for me

Without the stacks