#fury

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short spire
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So other people get mad at how broken we are

clever path
young swan
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we almost were

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we were so fucking good in 10.1

trail bane
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i was, i just mentioned it and this is worse. because last tier didnt have the "2 of the same dps class"-meta

slim coral
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yeah pre aug

young swan
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and then aug happened

warped bone
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Give MoS back in rotation. Alts could get the 8 weekly 20s done in an hour xD

trail bane
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Demon hunters are debuff class with tons of utility and now they are also so good at dps you bring two of them to a group with 3 dps

clever path
oblique trail
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DH's don't have noticeably more utility than we do though

south kayak
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they need to nerf dh like they did with SP last season keks

oblique trail
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Not sure where this DH utility comes from

clever path
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i mean the problem is

short spire
clever path
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you need aug for high keys and then you also need at least 1 havoc

short spire
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One stun aoe

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That’s it

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One leap

south kayak
short spire
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Shit defensises

trail bane
short spire
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You just life steak

oblique trail
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We have AoE and ST stun too?

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Ok

clever path
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shockwave intim shout stormbolt tauren stomp

oblique trail
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So they haev imprison

short spire
young swan
oblique trail
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But

short spire
clever path
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shockwave is very accessible imo

oblique trail
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All of this is just the same utility we have apart from imprison really?

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And Netherwalk

south kayak
clever path
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dropping 2% crit and some execute damage is not bad at all

trail bane
young swan
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sure

short spire
# oblique trail But

Don’t but our class is complete garbage when it comes to utility and defensives that’s why no one takes a warrior

oblique trail
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Because I don't want to just blindly look at other specs doing better and point out something that doesn't matter as much as people think lol

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Like what

young swan
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okay we arent bad bc of survivability

clever path
oblique trail
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I'm not saying our utility is insane

clever path
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genuine question

south kayak
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warrior is better than dhs at survivability

short spire
south kayak
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idk

clever path
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how does a fury warrior die besides frontals / spells

warped bone
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Fury is pretty effing strong in the survivability sector

oblique trail
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But saying that DHs utility is noticeably better than ours is just disingenuous just because they have an immunity and imprison

south kayak
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I wish I'd get imprisoned

trail bane
clever path
young swan
oblique trail
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Their utility rn is the fact that they do a billion more damage than we do

clever path
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how are we weak defensively

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the only reason they are bringing dh

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is because of the damage

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if warriors dealt

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1 bazillion damage

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youd be seeing at least 1 warrior

oblique trail
clever path
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in 29s

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but we dont

short spire
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One day we will make it out of the hood

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I’m sick of seeing aug mage dh as the main squads

oblique trail
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Imprison only really matters on incorp weeks, and specific skips

clever path
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give ma spec tankier than fury thats not ret paladin

oblique trail
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And even then it's utility other classes have, or that you can use invis pots to skip

clever path
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assuming you are in melee

oblique trail
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Like

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DHs rn just have a billion damage and it's their biggest point of being brought

south kayak
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I'm not too worried about DH's damage. Blizzard is going to keep nerfing them on a weekly, or a 2 week basis like they did with SPs, Aug's, or Fire mages last season.

clever path
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aug has ridiculous utility

trail bane
south kayak
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for damage

oblique trail
oblique trail
clever path
trail bane
clever path
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in big bursts?

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or every pack

oblique trail
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It's certainly nto their utility they're being brought for lol

trail bane
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yes, litterally the same

clever path
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for the damage

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rally

slim coral
trail bane
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rally?

young swan
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rally is worse than darkness

slim coral
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it's disgusting

trail bane
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instead of darkness?

clever path
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ye but u would take

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dh and a warrior

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with aug

slim coral
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in keys rally is pretty much useless

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lol

trail bane
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so we would replace the second dhs in keys

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sure

oblique trail
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It's not useless

clever path
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how is it useless

oblique trail
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But it's not Darkness strong

slim coral
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I know it's not completley useless

trail bane
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but they are still better even if we do the same dmg because they have more and better utility than we do

warped bone
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Saved a ton of people with rally. It just aint darkness

slim coral
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but 10% hp isn't gonna stop a big one shot

young swan
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honestly rally should get the darkness treatment for keys

south kayak
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if they don't want to nerf havoc ST, they could just nerf everything else and buff Chaos Strike/Annihilation

clever path
trail bane
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and a class that has more and better utility

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s

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should not be top 2 in dps

oblique trail
trail bane
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or well, top 1

oblique trail
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And that perfect world has never really existed when it comes to M+

clever path
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i mean its also dungeon pool dependant

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if it was lair

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you would take a warrior

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due tos pell reflects

oblique trail
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Perhaps it has at some points, but generally speaking it's just who does the most damage you look at first

tropic atlas
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The mage shields that they gave them on the rework are better rallys sadga

young swan
oblique trail
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And that's understandable

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Not being able to pug is cringe because of community perception

clever path
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i mean 90% of m+ frustrations come from people who pug

short spire
stuck bison
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Blizz cant balance shite. Balance dn

trail bane
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im just mad that Blizzard can fail that horribly with balance and then be like "lets nerf them 3% and be done with it"

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leaving them to still do 30% too much dmg

clever path
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cause muh weekly 20 needs to have all the meta specs

oblique trail
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Personally though I'm sitting at 2820 score and 480 ilvl

young swan
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well we dont know that they're done with it

oblique trail
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And have no issues being insta invited to anything in the 20+ range

south kayak
young swan
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i have mythic raider io

slim coral
trail bane
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but we do know that they tought 3% was good enough now

young swan
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sitting at a comfy 2600

trail bane
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or even in the ballpark of whats needed

south kayak
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They balance pretty frequently

young swan
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only do 20s with guild

oblique trail
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And I see plenty of DHs under my ilvl and score just being skipped

young swan
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or friends

slim coral
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I have 3k io and still struggle to get into push keys

short spire
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I got to 2790 and said fuck it I’ll go play arcane mage

slim coral
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even if a dh is 100 io below people will still bring them

short spire
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Arcane is so fucking fun

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It’s time we leave fury behind and find a new spec

tame yarrow
oblique trail
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Tbf I don't know the environment when it comes to push keys

south kayak
slim coral
oblique trail
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since I kinda just cba pushing and just care about getting my 20s done for vault/farming gear

slim coral
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unless you are like 3300 warrior

warped bone
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I just simply never found pushing keys fun. So never an issue for lowly me doing 20s

south kayak
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I just do 20 for portal and that's it lol

clever path
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i remember last patch bizentein had like 28s timed and couldnt get into 25s

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i had 26s timed and never invited to 23s

slim coral
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yeah pugs just perma want aug

clever path
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i dont see a point in pugging these keys tho

slim coral
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so that's already one slot gone

clever path
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dh

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2nd gone

slim coral
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factor in the state of the other dps and it's just even harder

south kayak
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dh

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3rd gone

warped bone
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pugging 20s I'm perfectly fine with. People can be utter shit and it will still be timed

south kayak
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to be fair they nerfed aug a lot

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but their ulitiy is reaally good

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really

clever path
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i mean you really dont need damage in your key

south kayak
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aug is bottom 3 in raid stats

slim coral
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yeah the tankiness they bring is so insane

clever path
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with a dh

slim coral
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they could do 0 dps

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and still be 2 stacked

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in raid

south kayak
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yeah they need to nerf their utility

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like the tank buff thing

warped bone
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Just remove aug. They will never balance it in a good way

clever path
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isnt that the point of the spec

south kayak
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so it's not like, a no slot at push

trail bane
south kayak
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too far

slim coral
clever path
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ye support specs dont work in 5man content

slim coral
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so it does good dps and brings a lot of surv

clever path
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with 3 spots

slim coral
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and cc

warped bone
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Remove aug, and give me my first mail tank spec, Black dragon flight is just made for it!

clever path
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aug will either never be taken

short spire
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I just peeped the arms chat and it’s so calm there

clever path
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or always

final birch
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but shit calmed down

slim coral
final birch
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and it was somewhat okay-ish post nerfs

warped bone
clever path
bleak tiger
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May the vault Gods bless thy Fellow warriors xeos

south kayak
clever path
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sitting at 130

south kayak
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and they could bring more support sepcs

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to support this new slot thingy

warped bone
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Arms rage renamed calm. Cus it's never an issue

clever path
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until u enter execute phase

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and spend 120 rage in 3 globals

south kayak
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turbo, read my reply 😡

tame yarrow
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More specs critcake

clever path
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i guess it would fix aug

south kayak
clever path
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but idk

final birch
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good thing arms is such a high wft contender...

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I mean what?

clever path
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:tf:

trail bane
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120 rage in three globals is rookie numbers, i spend 1 60 in 3

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as fury

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:D

clever path
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you can spend 240 in 3

tame yarrow
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Just bring 3 support specs ans a dh then wokege

clever path
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triple rampage with ravager annihilator

trail bane
clever path
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not optimal

slim coral
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also with these reworks it's really hard to beat the reworked classes

trail bane
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actually i might atm because of dhs

clever path
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but possible

clever path
clever path
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so hard its unreal

south kayak
slim coral
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where is warriors rework for 10.2.5?

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like the ones mage and what not got

bleak tiger
short spire
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There is a saying “ all warriors share 3 braincells” and it shows perfectly well in our convos I love it

clever path
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idk about other classes but our class tree is horrible

slim coral
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I guess we'll have to wait for hero talents to save us

brave cairn
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We don't need brains tho that's the best thing about it

clever path
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they solved fucking nothing again

south kayak
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I don't think it's horrible

warped bone
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Still waiting for my time with the 3 braincells. But the que is long

clever path
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compared to sl

slim coral
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but I cannot imagine our hero talents being better than other classes

brave cairn
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Just smash and press your buttons

clever path
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still need to drop shit for any reliable cc

final birch
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honestly whenever I'm hosting alt keys or some off spec shit I try to get a warrior in

clever path
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overwhelming rage being 2 points

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Our class tree is just outdated compared to the shiny new made it order for current content trees

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crushing force 2 poitns

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bounding stride not being baseline

final birch
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so people cry less on class discords about not getting invited

warped bone
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Hero talents is just Azerite gear and covenant combined xD

clever path
south kayak
young swan
brave cairn
young swan
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theres no reason to waste resources like that

slim coral
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that's a long time

young swan
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we have alpha in like 3 months man

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maybe 4

short spire
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That’s crazy

slim coral
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yeah that is true

south kayak
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I love alpha

short spire
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What’s alpha

slim coral
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alpha is pre beta

brave cairn
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3 months of DH and Rogue Pepexecute

clever path
final birch
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Idk I invited 2 warriors to a 21 today and after asking to take shockwave 1 of them left

brave cairn
short spire
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Fuck shockwave

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Useless

young swan
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theres no sense in reworking shit and pushing it for DF when you could take a deeper look and redesign with hero talents in mind

south kayak
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I think you can get beta access if u buy the epic editiion

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or what's its' name

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but no alpha

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idk how alpha is gonan be

short spire
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When was the last time us warriors had a female in our life

tame yarrow
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Shockwave in arms is bigger dps loss

short spire
final birch
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it's 2.5%

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I dont take it myself

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but if I'm gonna run no cc comp

south kayak
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I do xeos

final birch
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1 of the warriors has to take it

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its probably a 1% loss for fury considering no AM

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and you'd have to press it on cd outside of your dam amp

short spire
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I genuinely think shockwave is useless when you have 4 other people with all stuns meanwhile we have one every 45 seconds

final birch
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that is

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such a cap man

clever path
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I will say I wish shockwave did more damage baseline

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Not enough to be good just something that doesn’t feel like a pool noodle

final birch
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It's a cc..

short spire
clever path
slim coral
clever path
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Gotta have a middle ground

slim coral
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wow frozen writ

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is op

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for me

tame yarrow
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Just let thunderclap stun sense

warped bone
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Where in the tree does Havoc actually have the AoE stun?

final birch
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you said it's useless

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it's not

slim coral
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almost the same as our thunderclap

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samish area

warped bone
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Checked it now. Bit odd really

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Why is theirs near the top. But ours is a cap one?

south kayak
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blizzard hates us

tame yarrow
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Cause Blizz loves warriors

clever path
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Yeah warrior just needs a redesign, hopefully we get one for war within

slim coral
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which just isn't true

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beucase dh does not always take theirs

warped bone
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I mean if it was in a location simmilar to havos

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Havoc* I would prob always take it

slim coral
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you're not gonna take it on a ST boss in raid

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which is most of the raid

clever path
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I mean right now for m plus you should take shockwave most weeks at a loss just to make sure to have more stuns

slim coral
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with little cleave

clever path
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But for raid you just skip stuns entirely

final birch
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Where do you need stuns in raid tho outside of fyrakk?

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Is it useful on gnarloot to pop a stun

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all baseline shit ofc ye

warped bone
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Was more of a. If one wants to move down the line as havoc this whole line is kinda whatever on a pure ST fight. Unless that fight for some reason has an interrupt or a purge

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digital bronze
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anyone know why spear circle sometimes just doesnt show up?

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is it to do with the floor you're stood on?

eternal sundial
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Ye

chrome plover
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combination of floor+graphics settings+jumping can make it invisible pretty often

oblique trail
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don't recall mine being invisible before but more often than not my spear just becomes oval instead of a circle

eternal sundial
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Ive had a Blizzard on the chandelier in BRH would assume spear would do the same

digital bronze
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i guess invisible isnt the word

image.png
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but no clearly defined circle 😄

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guess because the floor here isnt flat

eternal sundial
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Bro is missing deep wounds

eternal sundial
digital bronze
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haha, yeah idk this pack doesnt seem to have the debuff tracking separated by spec properly

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ty for pointing out 😂

eternal sundial
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Oh also set the rb icon load to not talented anni

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And add slam to only load with anni

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Packs all fucked up

digital bronze
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good ideas all round

proud vessel
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Thank you sir, i guess the higher the key the more the ST matters. Ill try it out some times ❤️

chrome plover
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delete and start again Late

digital bronze
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downloaded afenar sometime in s1 and im lazy D:

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all i ever did to it was add meat cleaver stacks because the bar thing in it doesnt seem to work

oblique trail
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is that a deep wounds WA

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that's active on Fury

digital bronze
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😄 its gone now

oblique trail
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was about to say

digital bronze
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phil beat you to it haha

oblique trail
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oh yeah

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I'm fried rn

calm mantle
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Is it worth making my titanic ring 486 with a spark?

eternal sundial
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Depends on ur great innit

chrome plover
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not worth wasting a spark on non embellishment

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unless you're talking about the new spark we are getting and not the first 2

digital bronze
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flavor pocket tomorrow xan

calm mantle
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mine has the food buff one

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Yeah my ring has flavor pocket

chrome plover
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that is not what I mean by embellishment

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it's more important to upgrade your two dps embellishments with first 2 sparks

calm mantle
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Oh I already have 2 embels tho, i have cape and wrists crafted

chrome plover
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but 3rd one you can (and probably should) use on a ring

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so you're talking about the spark we dont have yet?

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in which case, yes you can use it on a ring

calm mantle
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yeah 3rd one will be tomorrow right?

chrome plover
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yep

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I will be crafting a ring

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unless some giga socketed ring in vault and nothing else

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(even then maybe still)

calm mantle
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Okay sweet I'll make my flavor titanic 486

celest sierra
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after doing a bunch of testing tonight. Fury >Arms for raid Arms>Fury M+

eternal sundial
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1 guy sample size

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Pog

chrome plover
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1 guy 1 night

sudden tusk
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arms has higher damage potential

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but fury just fucking lives man

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cant deal dam if you be floor pov

proud vessel
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how much dmg would you lose in a key if you were to drop crushing force for Fear and Pain & Gain?

deep niche
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why you need that?

proud vessel
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Also is our simming still ST and use brain this tier? even for M+?

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Because i rarely press Slam and more survivability and cc is always nice

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seen some ppl run it like critcake

chrome plover
chrome plover
warm pewter
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need some help with explaining why some take DB over Titanic rage for odyns fury

chrome plover
deep niche
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should be less than 0.1

warm pewter
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is it tho

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how

sullen dove
warm pewter
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more annihilator hits?

chrome plover
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because titanic rage doesnt actually deal any extra damage

sullen dove
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what are you talkin bout

chrome plover
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it's like 2 globals saved

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maybe

sullen dove
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For single target?

chrome plover
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but db is quite a bit of damage

warm pewter
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i mean

chrome plover
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10% of damage?

warm pewter
chrome plover
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db is quite a lot of damage

warm pewter
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DB is the auto attack increase

sullen dove
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i mean whatever dancing is more prio damage for bosses titanic is slightly more aoe dmg and convenience but not that important

warm pewter
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TR is the one that deals 10% increased damage

deep niche
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yea DB is like 8k more dps for ST

chrome plover
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TR is basically pad + comfy

warm pewter
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ye it felt a little odd not auto being enraged

sullen dove
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10% increased after odyns already has a 50% buff from set slapped on it

sudden tusk
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for pure aoe sitiation in M+ you would go Titanic rage

sullen dove
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don’t think they double dip

sudden tusk
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but for raid cleave Dancing blades is way better

warm pewter
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im talking stricly m+

chrome plover
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i would say DB is better in m+ too

deep niche
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DB for M+ too

chrome plover
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almost every key

warm pewter
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20-24s

pseudo carbon
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Db also gives more rage no?

warm pewter
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i mean

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maybe

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more melee = more rage?

chrome plover
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technically because of attack speed

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yes

pseudo carbon
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Yeah

chrome plover
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but kinda negligible

pseudo carbon
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Alot better imho

warm pewter
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did they already nerf augury or am i tripping

sudden tusk
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in M+ the differance is kinda negligable

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but in raid DB shows more

chrome plover
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I do think in anything 20+ db is gonna be more useful damage

sudden tusk
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augury didnt get nerfed net neutral cahnge

pseudo carbon
chrome plover
pseudo carbon
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Less dmg but more uptime afaik

warm pewter
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just asking because it used to be about 8-9% of my dmg now its 5.5

chrome plover
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just variance tbh

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just an unlucky streak i guess

sudden tusk
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its still the same for overall keys in M+ for me

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but it does have less burst potential

sullen dove
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Did you also get way more ilvl since last you tested

sudden tusk
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sometimes that thing would randomly do like 1.2m in a pack

warm pewter
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this thing has been 483 since i got it

sullen dove
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augury should do about the same damage whether you’re 450 or 480, assuming, assuming you can fill the damage it requires

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not the trinket, you the player

warm pewter
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oh

sullen dove
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if you have higher ilvl it’ll do less% of your dmg

warm pewter
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i mean no not really

sullen dove
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But he the same damage

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cause you’re doing more dam on your own

warm pewter
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minor things

sullen dove
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but yea can also just vary

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And like more verse makes it do more damage

warm pewter
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i mean it used to be like 273k of total damage before fading now its 173k so

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quite a leap

sudden tusk
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yeah that was the nerf

sullen dove
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Ya.. that’s the damage nerf

sudden tusk
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but now it just does that more

sullen dove
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it just procs more often now

warm pewter
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i understand how it works lmao

sullen dove
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Idk proc more on trash

warm pewter
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fair

deep niche
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ppm 1 -> 1.5

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damage from 1 -> 0.67

sullen dove
warm pewter
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never saw the post myself was just in here last night

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or this morning

sudden tusk
warm pewter
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idk anymore im a graveyard shift worker

sullen dove
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I’m a graveyard shift exister, idk what happened but this past week I been going to sleep at like 9 am waking up at 4 pm

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spiraling

warm pewter
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lmao

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idfk man people talk to me the week i have graveyard shift and i dont remember any of it

sullen dove
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Time to go make 5 am burger or somethjn ig can’t sleep

warm pewter
sullen dove
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me? Or the burger

warm pewter
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you

sudden tusk
warm pewter
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lmao

sullen dove
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cause yes to both

sullen dove
warm pewter
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get any goodies in vault?

sullen dove
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in 15 min

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It’s open in like 6 hours

warm pewter
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ah fuk

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to do 21 BRH before i go to sleep for the day or say fuck it and be happy with my 19

chrome plover
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fuck i want a burger

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but it's 10am

sullen dove
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I have just a murozonds rise as my only non 22 for fort

warm pewter
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yknow, i always thought your pfp was that chick from goofy

sullen dove
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almost feels good but wish it could be greater sadge

chrome plover
sullen dove
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roxanne xan

chrome plover
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no score was gained

warm pewter
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why are you farming BRH

chrome plover
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i was farming the neck

sudden tusk
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i finally farmed my last M+ item

warm pewter
sudden tusk
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might of the ocean done

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now i am pure io gamer

chrome plover
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I have nothing left to farm now either

shell jackal
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yo fellas, i'm using the cookie cutter m+ build from the wowhead page, but i feel like i'm underperforming? i'm seeing top warriors have 15% of their odyn's fury casts off, i'm getting about 8%. unsure if its related to stats or simply me being bad at my rotation keks

chrome plover
sullen dove
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The only m+ item I need was ring from dark heart cuz I have no fucking mast and I’m still using 447 ring from last raid

sudden tusk
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never replacing this thing

sullen dove
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but that’s fixed when I craft flavor pocket ring okayge

sudden tusk
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and once i get lego

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i can use the proc too

shell jackal
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surely I'll get the lego tomorrow

sullen dove
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Yea that’ll really help you on like

warm pewter
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surely

sullen dove
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Nymue and council reclear

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huge nature dmg shield

sudden tusk
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theres alot of nature damage in M_

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idc about raid

sullen dove
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wack

warm pewter
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nomnom

shell jackal
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surely critcake

sudden tusk
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i had the option for a 489 version of raven

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or that neck

sullen dove
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rezan mid

warm pewter
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vault has been good to me so far

sudden tusk
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rezan is just cata brand but worse

warm pewter
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fyrakk trinket first week and weapon 2nd week

sullen dove
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boutta say

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fyrakk weapon?

warm pewter
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haha

chrome plover
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smf smf smf

sullen dove
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Yo where did roid go

warm pewter
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yeah dropped leggo in vault before they killed it on mythic

sullen dove
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haven’t seen chatting warlord in a while

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tell me he wasn’t lobbed

chrome plover
golden hare
sullen dove
warm pewter
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damn discord keep popping up that i can send a gift for the holiday season

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like

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nah

chrome plover
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we are almost 2 months clean of roidstack

warm pewter
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i spent all my money on the pre order of an expansion coming next year

chrome plover
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if I keep doing these loot share normal runs for 250k a pop I might just preorder expansion with gold

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it's ludicrous

shell jackal
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damn

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you got a spot for another warrior in those?

sudden tusk
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im gonna start selling normal next week probably

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and heroic in a couple weeks

chrome plover
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only took an hour

sudden tusk
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i havent focused bossting yet been busy

chrome plover
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ah we have very optional guild boost on some saturdays

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so i just show up blast raid get paid

sudden tusk
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yeah our guild leader is setting up sales

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coffers runnin a lil low

chrome plover
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I never go to a community and solo sign up for boosts

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cba with that

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but when it's with guild it's easy and also fun

sudden tusk
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anyway i gotta get some sleep so i can get the taco tuesday prices before the luchj special is over

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gn mr chawie gl in vualt

chrome plover
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gn gl in vault

sudden tusk
chrome plover
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i got 24 hours til mine tho

sudden tusk
unreal crane
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So I dunno if anyone knows this, but does it matter what ranks of mats you need if you're trying to prepare them for Fyralath? (Cosmic Ink for example since rank 2 is way cheaper than rank 1 or 3).

deep niche
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all ranks works

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but why you whatn to buy it now?

unreal crane
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im farming it now..i got a few fire/earth left to farm then im farming to craft inks

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rest i already have prepared

random raptor
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Does it drop same ilvl no matter the difficulty you get it from?

deep niche
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same

random raptor
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cool thanks

red berry
fiery thorn
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is wrecking throw buffed by avatar

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or enrage

chrome plover
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yes

autumn mica
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Sorry dude i'm like afk for a week

I have 2 seperate macro's one with reck/odyn's and one with reck/ava/roar

I bound roar with recklessness / avatar as they are generally used together. The picture just showed the " big opener when u got everything "

If you don't have odyn's and its miles away, it's generally reck/ava/roar

A macro is just convenience and less fuss to press u don't win or gain anything with it

Just general thumb rule always in every case make sure your Roar is in the recklessness/avatar buff window that's the most important, and never outside. (So you can use it after Odyn's aswell, but on your next window you might have to wait for avatar to come up before using Roar if odyn's is too far away. That's why i always allign them for m+ )

Also good to mention i play titanic rage (more overall damage) not dancing blades (which is more prio damage).

shell jackal
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simming both dungeon slice & patchwerk tells me to use completely different gem setups for both

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crit/mast for dungeon slice, mast/haste for patchwerk - which one is overall the better play?

eternal sundial
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I just use my st gear

shell jackal
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ok nvm i'm dumb its telling me to use crit/mast gems for both builds

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surely i'm following the sims correctly critcake

flat river
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use patchwork 5 targets

shell jackal
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ait

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ill run another sim

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if it tells me to replace gems again i'm sadgers

silver parcel
shell jackal
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well this is what patchwerk 5 targets got me & it didn't say replace any gems, so i think i'm good

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cheers gala

charred drum
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Do we know the value of the augment rune like how much dps does it give ?

shell jackal
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negligible but i got it anyway because it'll last the rest of the expac and save me more gold than buying them until 11.0

chrome plover
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you can easily sim that

shell jackal
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true, actually

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just use the draconic augment rune option

chrome plover
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if I were to guess it's between 800-1000 dps

chrome plover
shell jackal
chrome plover
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then use better judgement for trinkets

shell jackal
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yeah so now -this- sim is telling me to use rezan's instead of butcher block, despite telling me butcher block earlier

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and to use a crit enchant instead of the mastery one it just told me to put on

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everyone says ''just sim'' but either i'm braindead stupid or doing it completely wrong, cause its giving me mixed results every time

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i feel like for a definitive answer it should be pretty simple

shy knot
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Butchers is ass

shell jackal
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why'd the sim tell me to use it then keks

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the one i did before this

chrome plover
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although if it's a 5 target sim I would say go back and do a single target sim instead

shell jackal
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if i can do that i will yeah, i dont have the last ones results anymore i closed the tab

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like this?

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this is the one i just did

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feel free to DM me some more @chrome plover, idk if we're allowed to clog up this channel or not keks

chrome plover
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we are allowed to clog up this channel it's okay

shell jackal
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thank the lord

chrome plover
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sim looks okay, i would usually sim with all buffs but it doesnt really make a diff, rezan's is gonna be better until you get something like might of the ocean or crab for m+

shell jackal
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yeah im just thinking at 478 i feel like i should be simming way higher, esp. on a patchwerk ST fight

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i'm in m+ build on that sim tho, if that affects it

chrome plover
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yep and the fact you have no buffs

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sim looks fine

pure depot
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hey all, i have some big problems... idk what im doing wrong in m+ but im 465 atm and doing like 100k overall in a m+ and dont know if its something wrong with my gear or so xD

flat river
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link sim

lavish grove
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Probably not the gear, unless you use t31 talents w/o t31 itself. But even the you should be able to do more then 100k

eternal sundial
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Overall is dictated by group key and tank and many other factors

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Are you permadead

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Etc

granite tiger
clever path
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guys do you remember those auras around our characters when certain things procc? like Overpower/revenge, was that removed by blizz?

pure depot
eternal sundial
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Spell alert opacity in settings

dry talon
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stat weights not a thing ye ?

eternal sundial
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Yep

dry talon
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so how do i know what stat is better for wich runes to use for example

summer quail
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Sim the runes

flat river
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u dont even have 2-set

pure depot
dry talon
flat river
clever path
flat river
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the ravager one

clever path
# dry talon can u tell me how 
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="Buzzing Rune -> Crit"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
copy="Howling Rune -> Haste"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Hissing Rune -> Mastery"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Hissing Rune/Howling Rune -> Mastery/ Haste"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Hissing Rune/Buzzing Rune -> Mastery/ Crit"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
copy="Howling Rune/Buzzing Rune -> Haste/ Crit"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3```
pure depot
clever path
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wowhead guide T30 build

flat river
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yeah

pure depot
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is it a hard rotation or so for that? dont know that one... x)

clever path
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its the same

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you trade BT for RB

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its more or less same ideology with dif buttons

pure depot
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aha

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and onslaught? use on CD?

clever path
pure depot
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should i change to the new build as soon as i get T31 2set? or wait for 4set+

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?*

clever path
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yes

red sky
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i asked that same question here last time and got told 2set for raid 4set for m+, but thats bullshit

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as soon as you get 2 set

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rock that new build

clever path
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you can always sim it

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but I did change with 2p

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it feels clunky, but its doable

pure depot
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okok, im missing 15 scores to get to 2k.... so it sucks... x)

chrome plover
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you can squeeze that out of a couple keys

pure depot
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i only got scores from this week 😛 so need a high one xD

fickle bone
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why furry dmg so sadge in m+

chrome plover
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it isnt

clever path
pure depot
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are we getting another cataclyst charge now on reset? or is it next week?

chrome plover
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nah next week i think

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we got 2nd this week

umbral ingot
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giga prio dmg

fickle bone
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single t is fine though

umbral ingot
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it is what it is cant pad on big pulls

chrome plover
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still hit 1m burst on some packs feels good

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single target is giga

desert summit
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Before you were zugzuging your way through the dungeon now you have to plan when to make big damage

fickle bone
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went dth25, 50k dps overall diff from bm and retri

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50/60

chrome plover
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i mean bm yeah but i feel pretty even with retri

fickle bone
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big packs in dth, so his divine storm pumped

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while i do bloodbaaaaath

tropic atlas
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I have also noticed BMs do a shitton of damage to spitefull

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so you can discount that xD

chrome plover
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so does fury tbf

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but you arent competing with bm/havoc really both of those specs are gross

red sky
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yeah and bm can pull 2m b4 a single spiteful spawns

tropic atlas
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I mainly play arms but with both specs I notice like a 20-30 million difference just in spitefull

chrome plover
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it isnt a problem with fury being weak AT ALL though

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it's those two specs being strong

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overpowered even

unreal onyx
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If it ain’t meta it’s bad

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Remember

fickle bone
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ye spiteful peepoHappy

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desert summit
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What about boss damage between you and retri?

fickle bone
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i pump ofc

eternal sundial
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Depends on fury talents iirc

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I run db and bc so i generally win on st xan

fickle bone
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but its not that yuge diff

chrome plover
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whilst being top dps in all of them because 20 pugs are degenerates

desert summit
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The thing about retri they sacrifice alot of st for aoe in talents.

unreal onyx
eternal sundial
chrome plover
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I dont even go for portals lmfao it's gonna be 8 ataldazars

mossy fox
unreal onyx
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I got flamed in doti fall bc I leap-skipped the dragon before 3rd boss

chrome plover
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unless my gf decides she wants to play again then we'll push a bit

eternal sundial
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I have a 13 dht on score cuz xd

chrome plover
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but she kinda stopped for now

fickle bone
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need more and more and more practice aniway, i might be holding my avatar too much sometimes

eternal sundial
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Missin 2 tyra keys tho so scars is shit

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Score**

chrome plover
#

scars

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miss her so much

narrow fossil
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is shockwave useful in m+?

eternal sundial
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Yes

unreal onyx
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Scars of fraternal strife

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Or whatever

fickle bone
eternal sundial
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Strife

narrow fossil
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ok ty

brittle crow
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BAD move

topaz tapir
#

Hello. I'm pretty new to fury and I tried following guides, but there is so much difference between them (wow head, icy veins). Stats, skills, rotation. Everything's different on those sites.

Which guide should I follow?

fickle bone
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1min dps guide on youtube

unreal onyx
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Wowhead

fickle bone
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zug

topaz tapir
# unreal onyx Wowhead

Ok thanks that's what I thought. Icyveins sometimes feels like it was written by chatGPT

proud vessel
unreal onyx
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They‘re written by the same person iirc

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But wowhead is more updated

proud vessel
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I guess i need more vers lol

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eternal sundial
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Try earthen writ too

chrome plover
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having 1 frozen sims bis for me too

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wacky

pure depot
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how much does it do with weapons? since my main hand is 463 and offhand is 450 xd

lavish grove
proud vessel
unreal onyx
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Earthen fuck good?

pseudo carbon
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Get mastery

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If low on mastery can be up

nimble pewter
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timewalking, why you do me so mean? 🥲

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pure depot
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does fury have stats "caps" to go after or so?

eternal sundial
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No

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Just sim

naive swallow
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might of the ocean drops with prot loot spec right

topaz tapir
#

Stat prio order is str, mastery, vers, crit, haste? Is that correct?

red sky
lavish grove
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Generally yes, but sim

clever path
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big pack

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top damage

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scars then gavel

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and then like 10 empty spots

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rampage

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thats if gavel actually gave u a good proc

gleaming kestrel
#

I just installed Fury's talent and my dps is very low I downloaded my talent from YouTube and I am giving dps with exactly the same rotation. Can you tell me where the problem is? I am a new player

deep niche
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well it shows only ARMS logs

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And it looks like you dont have any new tier pieces

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or old

hardy timber
#

Gorehowl drops from which dawn dungeon ?

proud vessel
#

rise

restive peak
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Bro we are hyped for nerfed Tindral

chrome plover
restive peak
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Fuck brotherrrr we pray

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Smoldy finally died last night

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What a banger of a fight

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Leggo today for Linc surely

chrome plover
#

at least reclear is giga easy

restive peak
#

Ye reclear is a fuckin breeze lol, thank god. I like this flow; 1st 6 easy if you're good, last 3 bangers

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I think we rekill smoldy quick cuz of vault+reclear+we just progged it

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Honestly we were ok on enrage, he died at 2nd last ring of enrage, so should be easy

chrome plover
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I think we're fine for damage

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just a lot of stupid deaths every single pull

restive peak
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That was us too

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Tbh last night for the 1st while was me, played like shit. But every pull 1-2 people fuckup and it just needs to click

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Like we had 2 sub 2% wipes, both with 1/2 dead, and once we had 1 good pull he just fell over

chrome plover
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we've just had a lot of wipes at like 5-20% where there's like 5 dps dead in the first 2 mins and we run out of steam

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just need 1 pull where no one dies until lust

restive peak
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Yeah, so 1 good pull, it'll happen.

chrome plover
#

and then we win

restive peak
#

Fun fight though

naive swallow
#

45 tides , still 0 ocean

chrome plover
#

agree

naive swallow
#

wasting awae~~

unreal onyx
#

How many axes?

chrome plover
#
  • we both get legendary soooo easy prog
restive peak
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I still need crab Snowy I feel ya

naive swallow
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actually 2 axes outta the first 8 or 10

restive peak
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Ofc bruh, we all gettin leggo this week

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SURELY!!

naive swallow
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crab drops like 6 7 times

restive peak
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I did get 6 of the little 1s and 2 big 1s, so who knows

naive swallow
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ocean 1 time , on a 450 pala , rip

restive peak
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But that could be 3%, could be 20%, lol

chrome plover
#

yeah tbh the blp gummies mean nothing to me lmao

restive peak
#

Placebo affect

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Make you feel all good but who really fuckin knows lol

chrome plover
#

just to make people feel like theyre progressing yeah

restive peak
#

110%

chrome plover
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at least until someone figures out what they actually do

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then i can just cry that i got X greaters and still dont have it

restive peak
#

I believe in the leggo gods

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I will be renamed to Leggolinc for the tier

past pivot
#

Finally got Might last night. No axes. Lots of crabs have dropped. Was like 25th tot

chrome plover
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i am pretty happy with my rng this tier

restive peak
#

We on other ends Axey, I have had 4 mights drop lol

chrome plover
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i got crab and might before i even knew they were good

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after like 4 tott keys

restive peak
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Gearing hasn't been too bad, that damn crab just evades me

naive swallow
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lots of craPs dropped for me , 45th here -100% luck

restive peak
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1st non pushy ish week I'll just hammer 20 thrones til I get it

chrome plover
#

30 atals for rezan, 30 brhs for the neck

restive peak
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Surely 46 is the run Snowy

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DAMN

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I did about 30 BRHs for neck/OH

chrome plover
#

well i guess weapon is included there since i got one early in the neck grind

restive peak
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Luckily we made teams pre-M+ drop and farmed w the same 5 for the week, so early gearing wasn't TOO bad...only 1 rogue and 1 DH went over 30 in 1 dungeon for those timestrike weps

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Then I got the wep on my 1st 20 on DH xDD

past pivot
#

My vault and RNG luck was pretty bad luck last week so expecting a turnaround. Weapon in vault. Augury from weekly then leggo in raid and then I can switch vault weapon to OH.
That or it’ll just be mostly cloaks again and I’ll have to weigh a socket.

restive peak
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We pray for wep+augury+leggo as well

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Worst feeling man cuz sockets are super meh this tier already

molten relic
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After not winnning a single roll in our whole heroic clear 😂

restive peak
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Oh at least you've seen 1 dawg LOL

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We haven't seen 1 across 3 weeks of split runs

pure depot
#

buying last boss HC now, feeling lucky today, cross ur fingers and toes! xD

molten relic
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Surely I get one in vault

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If I see another mf with 489 augury and rezans

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Ima spit on them for sure

restive peak
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I have 3 mythic vault slots now, will sadly not see augury...ugh

molten relic
#

Tough

restive peak
#

Pros and cons

chrome plover
restive peak
#

TBH I'd rather 3 shots at heroic augury

chrome plover
#

my 3rd slot is gonna be augury

restive peak
#

LOL imagine you get it

chrome plover
#

😋

restive peak
#

That would be fuckin epic

molten relic
#

Also have weekly this week

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For a small chance

chrome plover
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we've seen 1 hc, 1 normal drop

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but both went to dh

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(two dhs)

molten relic
#

Dh won the augury

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And unholy won the brand

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For our group

shell jackal
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have the tuesday NA gang woken up to open their vaults yet

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i need my fix by proxy until wednesday

restive peak
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I'm hoping I get it since I'm 1 of the only M+ pushers in guild

molten relic
#

Couple hours

shell jackal
#

excellent, thank you gamer

chrome plover
hasty path
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My guild doesn’t even always full reclear after CE because nobody cares about anything but prog. keks

chrome plover
#

man reclearing is fun

naive swallow
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reclearing 4-5 times after prog is fun imo

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tho like the 24th 27th time , hmm

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sus

granite tiger
molten relic
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Idk that’s when we’d swap to alts if we were still reclearing

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If everyone full and had mounts we either selling or gearing alts

velvet crypt
#

I am guessing I never want to avatar until odyn's fury is gone when using titan's torment right?

hasty path
restive peak
hasty path
#

We did sark twice in the 4 weeks that I trialed end of last tier

restive peak
#

I love reclears, but prog is the best part

hasty path
#

Once was to carry guild crafter/bench player to his CE, once was for my trial

restive peak
#

It's why I push keys, I get bored doing the easier shit

chrome plover
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we recleared every wednesday and did an alt run on another day

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and it was kinda fun every week

sullen dove
#

it is insane how fast i feel with aspect of the cheetah 30% move speed in classic

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this shit is gamebreaking

hasty path
#

We got cod ppl, tft ppl, RuneScape ppl

restive peak
#

ah true

hasty path
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Evidently it works for them

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Bc the turnover is super low

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I’ve only been here for 2 months tho

chrome plover
#

so argument for it there

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seems like it could bang on both those fights

frail trout
#

If I do normal fyrakk before heroic fyrakk I get an extra blp token right?

past pivot
sullen dove
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idk about an extra, cause i did normal after heroic and still only got 1, but at the very least if one does drop of normal raw dogging it it might add to the blp of the heroic kill that would follow

chrome plover
#

yeah

sullen dove
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but again no one has any clue for sure, and if blizz wasnt cringe they'd probably discourage that from being the case anyway

chrome plover
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the heroic one overwrites the normal one

frail trout
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Ah ok

chrome plover
#

it's the same as how the evoker one worked, just itemised

warm crag
past pivot
atomic nymph
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Have we considered if the greaters reduce your chance of dropping it? Idk about the other guy but I had 0 greaters used

past pivot
#

You get BLP if you get or use a token or not.

frail trout
#

Even if that's true though what about the normal blp token applying to your heroic kill within that specific week

warm crag
frail trout
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Maybe your overall blp doesn't go up if your just counting weekly blp

warm crag
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only source i know of is a bluepost where they just didnt talk about that at all

restive peak
#

Thats my plan 😛

sullen dove
#

dont think they said anything in regards to how the greater ember directly interacts with doing fyrakk on multiple difficulties or not, just that fyrakk will drop a greater ember, presumably on any difficulty you kill him but maybe only one for the week,and that the base chance will accumulate from every difficulty lower than the highest one you do

sullen dove
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if you dont get/use a token, your blp does not increase

frail trout
#

But doesn't your immediate chance on heroic (AFTER normal) go up? For that given week

sullen dove
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that was my thought, but who can say

wispy bridge
#

Werid question but could my fury WA be too slow to accurately show the gcd, especially with bl and lots of haste?

sullen dove
#

the "you dont have to do fyrakk on lower difficulties" suggestion mirroring last raid, was as far as i understood specifically related to the chance you have on normal is added onto doing heroic

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outside of whatever the blp item drops do

chrome plover
# warm crag source

it's an informed assumption based on how evoker blp worked + the fact you get two if you do NORMAL then HEROIC and only 1 if you do HEROIC then NORMAL

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Defeating Mythic Sark will get you get the maximum Bad Luck Protection which is the same as defeating Heroic then Mythic (similar to the actual drop).

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and that is from the evoker legendary ^

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and i could also find blizzard saying it'd work in a similar way

warm crag
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idk passing it off as fact without mentioning that its an assumption is misleading at best

sullen dove
#

you get 2 greater embers if you do norm then hero?

chrome plover
#

but youve seen that im sure

atomic nymph
#

I mean, did anyone do HC first and then drop a Greater Essence from normal?

warm crag
chrome plover
past pivot
chrome plover
#

you get two if you do normal first

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but only 1 if you do hc first

atomic nymph
chrome plover
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yes

warm crag
sullen dove
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huh, wack, well stands to assume that the heroic first one is both the normal and heroic blp added together

chrome plover
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it's a very safe assumption imo

atomic nymph
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Surely hc counts for both then, no way they made that much of an oversight

wispy bridge
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Doesnt it basically just count the highest difficulty fyrrak you did no mather what lower difficulty you did before?

chrome plover
sullen dove
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but would doing the normal first not add that small amount of blp anyway

chrome plover
sullen dove
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before you get heroic one

wispy bridge
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So you can just do heroic and be done with it every week I guess

chrome plover
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but at the end of the day, there's a chance they literally dont change anything

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and we are getting scammed

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so whatever guess we cant tell anyone anything about them

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because it's all an "assumption"

restive peak
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It's highly unlikely that doing normal and heroic is necessary

frail trout
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Even if the heroic one did overwrite the normal one (which we don't know for sure) doing normal into heroic gives you better odds on your heroic roll no?

past pivot
wispy bridge
frail trout
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Because your cheating half of your blp upfront

warm crag
restive peak
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You get 1 leggo shot a week most likely, just like evokers; higher difficulty = higher chance

sullen dove
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i find it hard to believe if you didnt consume the tokens you still get blp, that would just be a completely pointless system

frail trout
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Instead of getting it all from heroic

sullen dove
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making a "placebo" placeholder of 2 random items that do nothing

frail trout
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After the fact

sullen dove
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instead of just keeping the same system as evoker

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like if you save 10 weeks worth of greater/lesser embers and stick em in your bank, you're sayin you still get that 10 weeks of blp without using them, and the items arej ust fake

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smells a bit sus

chrome plover
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I would assume that it works the exact same way but with the added task of having to use the tokens

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yes

wispy bridge
past pivot
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Evokers caomplained that ther was no insight into BLP so the token was created as a visual placebo without actually giving insight. People will get leggo without ever using a token

sullen dove
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uhuh

warm crag
meager void
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Blizz did say they had "learned from past experience" tho

wispy bridge
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I mean to be totally honest unless blizzard specifies how it works we can only theorise

meager void
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so either what they "learned" was only to turn hidden blp into less hidden blp thru token usage or there's something else at play

restive peak
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I think it's just less hidden and we're all overthinking it tbh

warm crag
frail trout
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I spawned this conversation - I apologize

meager void
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as long as you dont summon roidstack

sullen dove
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i wonder if statistically its like, even worse to do seperate difficulties

meager void
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omg

warm crag
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i need roidstack

restive peak
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It seems HEAVILY likely it's exactly the same as evoker but w visual BLP, as they went out of their way to describe how evoker worked but didn't here

meager void
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thats 2, dont go a third

past pivot
sullen dove
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like assume normal dropchance is 2% and heroic is 3%, is it better to do the 2% and 3% seperately, or the combined 5% once