#fury

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unreal onyx
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can you link the sims for ST and MT

deep burrow
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Yeah hold on

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ST

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Swapped trinkets and now vers/mastery came on top actually on ST.

deep burrow
unreal onyx
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I think vers/mast is the play

lunar cape
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Why 90s sim?

unreal onyx
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I assume aoe burst

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although the sim is wonky

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propably

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I'd just go with 1T 5min and call it good

deep burrow
deep burrow
unreal onyx
deep burrow
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True 😛

unreal onyx
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or use a pot

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(most likely)

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but that shouldn't change the outcome

deep burrow
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extra strength shouldn't change the stat weight

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Ill go vers/mast and call it a day

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Im JC on alt so i can roll for my self which is nice and then i cant just reroll it if i need to swap stats someday

unreal onyx
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I would guess extra strength would favour vers/mast since you straight up do more overall dmg with vers and you'll be enraged all the time anyway for mastery weight

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so mast is also very good

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vers/mast is your safest bet

deep burrow
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Im kinda lacking mast gear, got unlucky on the mastery gear drops 😛

clever path
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My sim still recommends mastery and I’m at 50%

deep burrow
sullen dove
unreal onyx
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earthen?

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I didn't even see that

deep burrow
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Simmed highest for me when i got the weps 🙂

clever path
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Mine wanted wafting and Sophic I believe for weps

native wadi
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How do you guys macro reckl?

lunar cape
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Put on bar and hotkey

unreal onyx
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I press it

native wadi
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not with ava?

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same cd

urban tapir
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only real macro is ava+might of ocean

covert blaze
unreal onyx
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what if I want to reck before charge to get a insta-ramp for enrage

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if I had it macro'd my OF from avatar would go into nothing

deep burrow
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^ this

native wadi
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so what if you macro into OF

unreal onyx
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why would you do that

covert blaze
unreal onyx
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they're not the same CD

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just leave it standalone

sullen dove
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wait.. critcake

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frozen writ dps upgrade

deep burrow
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xD on st?

unreal onyx
sullen dove
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well i did after i saw like 3 seperate ppl in here talkin about it

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him included

deep burrow
sullen dove
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yea it is

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and yea st

unreal onyx
deep burrow
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and no i didnt put Frozen into sim

unreal onyx
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that's why I ran 5T5min too

plucky ice
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wafting + mastery writ sims bis for me

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save some gold lmao

sullen dove
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w8 now its double wafting keks

zenith osprey
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does the free odyns fury from our avatar proc our set bonus?

sullen dove
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ya

clever path
zenith osprey
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if you use it while you have stacks from regular odyns do you lose the extra stacks or does it let us stack over 3?

plucky ice
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stack to 6

dark sky
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You stack up to 6, but in single target you'll still try to delay avatar as to not overwrite OF's dot and buffs

zenith osprey
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then on pull do reg odyns first, then ava-dyn when the bleed times out?

dark sky
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Yea

zenith osprey
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noice

dark sky
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Charge with recklessness so you can get enraged with a rampage before using OF

zenith osprey
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yeh and have the upgraded BT available immediately after OF

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so like reck-charge-rampage-OF-BT

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also is it weird that i overcap rage a lot during reck? like im basically just spamming rampage/BT-repeat and im still hitting cap a few times

young swan
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not much u can do about it, no

dark sky
zenith osprey
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lame, it feels bad knowing im wasting a lil bit of rage lol

pliant prism
modest condor
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looking at secondaries is not a thing in general

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you just sim top gear and equip what comes out on top

zenith osprey
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paladins get a talent that makes their spender cost more but hit harder. gimme one of those for rampage 🤣

opal monolith
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why do so many people run rezan trinket in m plus? isnt it strictly good on ST?

upbeat plume
coarse nest
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Or don’t have anything better

opal monolith
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fair enough

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ive got 3 trinkets 483 augury, 476 might and mirror

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for ST I just sim it

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but for m plus

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im not too sure

coarse nest
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Augury is large

opal monolith
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augury for sure

spare otter
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Augury might is bis for m+

coarse nest
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^

opal monolith
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ah ye thats what ive been using

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no chance at desyncing

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every burst window up

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feels better

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guess ill try to get one on hero track then

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see a bunch of people running signet brand rn but i guess because of spiteful?

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never had the thing but its sorta like an anvil i suppose

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more combat time more uptime?

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or am i completely wrong here

coarse nest
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It’s great if you can stay in combat yeah

opal monolith
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i see

broken river
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hey guys just coming back, I ssee that Anni is the new rotation and everything but is that only when I get my 4set or 2 set from the new raid or is that just the staple now?

coarse nest
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Starting a boss with 15 stacks is good

opal monolith
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thanks for clarifying , appreciate it

coarse nest
zenith osprey
upbeat plume
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Yeah furys never been as concerned about it after the big changes in legion arms usually is there just in a wierd spot atm

coarse nest
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Honestly it was better when we could spend ip offensively

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Feels weird wanting to spend rage but you can’t

clever path
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arms is cool, i just dont get why theres a spell for cleave and ww

zenith osprey
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im just tryin to jump around like an idiot and hit things w big swords anyway 🤷‍♂️

pulsar turtle
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whats the macro look like again to be able to stance dance between defensive and berserker

coarse nest
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Pins

pulsar turtle
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@coarse nest tyvm

coarse nest
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Np

clever path
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anyone able to pm me the spell reflect WA?

winter shoal
clever path
quiet geyser
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I wonder why Sophic stopped being our best weapon enchant.. you'd think with how inflated secondaries are now, the primary proc would have even more value

restive peak
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It's because you're such a beaut

sullen dove
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idk you get a lot of primary too

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but usually primary better than an equal amount of secondary

quiet geyser
sullen dove
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but i mean

clever path
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blizz, wants more gold

sullen dove
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writs are 1400 secondaries

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and sophic dev is 900 str

quiet geyser
sullen dove
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yea

quiet geyser
# sullen dove and sophic dev is 900 str

Even with this.. im just thinking from like a theory stand point, having atleast one sophic previously was BiS when our secondaries were lower... but now with our secondaries higher and basically everything hitting DR, sophic, not even on 1 weapon, is the play? Just seems weird

clever path
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my sims like sophic on offh, wafting for mh

brittle crow
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so the valarjar rep box mount

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is it ACTUALLY like a 5% chance every 10k rep

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is that how the paragon boxes work

quiet geyser
clever path
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yeah im only 462 atm, but my stats are decent. it will probbly switch over by 470

dapper mica
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what is the condition for bloodcraze or slaughtering strikes(new player)

quartz viper
olive wraith
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Bloodcraze is for single target damage

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Ss is a slight boost in aoe

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That talent is the most movable though

modest condor
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also we lost hurricane

clever path
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i use bloodecraze in M+

covert blaze
clever belfry
clever path
past pivot
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Maybe on tyr weeks but not otherwise

clever path
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you think on fort it would be a massive difference?

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ive never tried it, so any feed back is cool

quiet geyser
past pivot
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I think we do more AOE then ST on any given key so the odds favor it. It could be slight and bloodcraze could be better on tyr weeks or when adds get buffed on high keys. That's above my pay grade to figure out. 😄

latent ledge
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did 2 ad today

covert blaze
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i've been using db in keys this week

latent ledge
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lmao.

covert blaze
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don't know if it's the play or not tbh

tacit crag
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I played db and it feels a lot better than Titanic fury at higher key levels. The aspd is nice for proccing anni and fury gen for the times where we have no CDs running, the 10s seems to fill out nicely to chain from OF to OF into CDs again

covert blaze
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i feel like 10% on OF is small

clever belfry
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DB very cool and good

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TR cornge

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true alphas play loboz spec tho

tacit crag
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I find myself feeling very little impact from TF other than ww charges

tacit crag
past pivot
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Best advice I had this week was play Signet and WW hamstring the Spiteful mobs.

clever belfry
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hurricane, of, spear, roar

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covert blaze
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wtf

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what key level was that

tacit crag
tacit crag
vapid river
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So, is the fury rotation just literally Bloodbath/Rampage, Press other things if you need rage?

past pivot
vapid river
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So, execute, but its below ramp or BB in priority?

pulsar prawn
cursive quiver
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60 runs later ;o

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wispy thistle
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@vapid river in single target its BB> rampage> execute> BT > slam > WW

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generally

summer quail
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if you have ashen juggernaut and you're in execute phase it's bb>exe>ramp>

lament hamlet
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if they removed smf from the tree and made it passive what do you suppose they could replace it with in the tree

narrow narwhal
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The friends we made

clever path
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do people even play smf?

quiet herald
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whats our ideal ST opener is it reck->charge->trinkets&Twords/spear->ramp->BB->ramp->BB->ava?

clever frost
lament hamlet
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i definitely prefer the aesthetic but they chose the worst way to implement it

clever path
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fury apm is already high, why would you want it to be faster lol

lament hamlet
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maybe theyre a pianist

granite tiger
lament hamlet
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however due to stats (1hs having much worse stats than 2hs and the tg's bonus being better) it's pretty much a meme

granite tiger
granite tiger
lament hamlet
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not much fun to be had with it im afraid 😔

granite tiger
upper mica
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For m+ is rezan and might a good combo?

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Or is that only decent for ST

past pivot
upper mica
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So for m+ what should I replace rezan for? I'll keep rezan for raid but I need to replace it for m+

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And don't say Augury.... my luck for that will not happen haha

past pivot
sleek cargo
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quick question rotation still BT > Execute > rampage?

upper mica
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Interesting... well I have gore encrusted and might so for now I'll stick to that I think for m+

ST I'll go might and rezan and might

granite tiger
sinful spoke
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im still trying to figure out if i should press ww or not

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i think i press that shit too much

granite tiger
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for st WW is only a filler

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BB > Rampage > BT > Execute > then Slam > WW as filler

wicked plinth
granite tiger
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i think it should be like this

granite tiger
wicked plinth
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Oh

granite tiger
warm crag
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why's the roar with the avatar in that pic

granite tiger
fair wolf
warm crag
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ye i wouldnt sync up roar with ava like that unless the situation calls for it

formal beacon
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after dropping aberrus 4set for new one i feel like my aoe is shit in comparison with the old one. Is this ok or i just need way more versa to make it work?

granite tiger
hard widget
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Generally u dont have to use roar and avatar together as odyns fury already gives you avatar

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So you can fit your roar in that window and use your avatar when the proc runs out

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So if you use the correct opener, you have both reck and avatar (from odyns fury) at the time you send your roar

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(do keep in mind tho that if you run dancing blades you need to rampage before sending odyns / roar to get enraged)

modest condor
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dancing blades gang

hard widget
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Eyyy lets gooo

tacit crag
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Yeah I'm pretty convinced db is better than tf in all situations. Tf doesn't feel good to use

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Just feelycraft though.

hard widget
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There is a lot of prio mobs in dungeons so I usually run it myself

restive peak
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I swapped to DB today, def felt better

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415 overall in 25 EB we gamin

olive wraith
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I didn’t have a higher enrage uptime with rage

hard widget
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Might as well give in to the prio role

olive wraith
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Db def feels better

hard widget
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The enrage will be pretty much the same

olive wraith
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Even then it feels better to get db

hard widget
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I agree ^^

red dirge
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fury>armmsss

wispy dock
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So we DB gang now?

olive wraith
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I’ve always been DB gang

wispy dock
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Just wondering since Ive been a lazy TR gamer in keys

modest condor
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if you wanna play tr play tr

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it's the easier one

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also more useful in low-mid range keys

gleaming crag
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rich get richer

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wispy dock
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with DR are we just making sure we are enraged before pressing OF?

torpid tusk
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while enraged, exe procs > rampage or do we keep BB -> rampage -> BB -> rampage ad infinitum during cds?

unreal cape
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its always BB ramp

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u can exec if u dont have ramp up to empower ur bt

urban tapir
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i'll give db a shot in higher keys i've been running tr without much issue

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4 free stacks ww kinda nice for my lazy ass

wispy dock
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rigyhut?

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free enrage and 4 ww stacks kinda nice

unreal cape
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i think its real nice for m+

urban tapir
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idk i think people are just sharing their preference

olive wraith
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Way better boss/prio damage

unreal cape
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that for sure

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but m+ is mostly cleave and MT

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but i havent tried db in keys myself yet so idk

covert void
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could switch depending on fort or tyran weeks I guess. I've only tried tr so far. probably try db and see now too though.

torpid tusk
glad coyote
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how do we feel about poorcelain crab?

silent gazelle
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I hate my stats

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gleaming crag
dense elbow
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It is decent, not great, not bad. The proc is impactful if it hits just right

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4/10

sinful spoke
clever path
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is there something wrong with raider io?

gentle terrace
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what is the best way to sim m+ to see what trinkets I have are better, I've always been told dungeon slice is ass

olive wraith
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It’s decent

past pivot
gleaming crag
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how is that a tie im arms spec for loot right now

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gentle terrace
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I currently have branch, crab, rezans, and mirror and it told me to go mirror crab

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in M+, at least

past pivot
past pivot
gleaming crag
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so I just get fucked over?

gentle terrace
gleaming crag
# past pivot Offhand?

offhand was the same ilvl fully upgraded heroic track but why wouldnt I be able to need and win an item this fucking game.

edgy widget
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assuming they're the same ilevel, mirror/crab should be better in a M+ scenario (though Mirror can sometimes have weird results with certain stat thresholds)

gentle terrace
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I don't think it's an issue, either, but yeah, they're hte same ilvl

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my mirror gives me vers currently

edgy widget
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you have more verse than mastery? that's... very odd

gentle terrace
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I have no mastery rings

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haven't gotten them yet

lavish sage
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do you guys hold any cds for igira spears

gentle terrace
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I have the 2 heavy haste vers ones

lavish sage
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to burst em down

edgy widget
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if you're trying to pad damage on igira spears, sure

lavish sage
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lol

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not for pad just to game

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probably best to not hold anything then eh

edgy widget
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depends on what your focus is

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going for ranks or tryin to kill the boss

lavish sage
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i mean

edgy widget
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if the spears are dying quickly, you don't "need" to put damage into them

lavish sage
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a little of both hehe

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i think ill just hold when theyre <5sec away

edgy widget
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that said, if you have the 4p T31, your CDs should align pretty well with at least every other spear set anyway

lavish sage
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yea theyre pretty close

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if i hold my intial cds for spears they align great

edgy widget
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if you want the "little of both" approach, that would be my advice

  • hold <10 seconds
  • send otherwise
lavish sage
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sounds good

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thanks

gentle terrace
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with mastery runes I'll have more mastery than vers lol

wispy dock
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honestly... DR feels nice in keys

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sorry DB

sinful spoke
peak pivot
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it was like a week or so old, but I remember seeing a wowhead article that said that the embers of fyr'alath were bugged and that only one lesser a week was actually counting towards bad luck protection on the axe. Was this true? If so, is it still true, or is it fixed?

modest condor
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the wowhead article said they dont know how it works and they were speculating

sinful spoke
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what was the script to check

gleaming crag
peak pivot
compact knot
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i got lucky

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2 big ones 4 small ones

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lmao

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2 from normal 1 from heroic 1 from mythic, then both big ones from both fyrakks

peak pivot
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I used mine from normal but I'm holding on to the one I got from hero fyrakk

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cause I wasn't sure if that speculation article was real

edgy widget
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as is usually the case when reporting on bugs or other shit that don't look right

peak pivot
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so it was just blue bait and we're safe to use the consumes?

edgy widget
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No, it was reporting the workings to the best of our understanding - what did the blue post say?

molten relic
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Augury dropped on aotc kill- rolled an 8

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in classic fashion

peak pivot
edgy widget
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that's all anyone knows, so take from it what you will

sinful spoke
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has anyone checked if LFR drops lessers?

somber token
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according to the bluepost right above, it does not

sinful spoke
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oh good

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i didnt read allthat

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just the part with the purple

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ok i re read

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im stupid

empty grove
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I wish we knew the starting %chance of the leggo

left perch
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That blue post is succinctly uninformative. No wonder I don’t read them any more.

toxic grove
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genuine question how to be a good fury

edgy widget
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get gear and press buttons fast

lavish sage
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there you go

sinful spoke
lavish sage
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what sims higher for most people vers or crit flask

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feel like crit is nice for BT/BB

edgy widget
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crit is over budget due to it's "downside" so it's usually highest, but with enough external sources of damage, they can be very close to one another

lavish sage
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crit is about 3k~ more dps for me

summer quail
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3k? That does not sound right. That's so much higher

lavish sage
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i just simmed it

edgy widget
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its possible if your own crit is very low

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that's generally how stats work

modest condor
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vers is 300 ahead for me

edgy widget
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I had crit at about 900 ahead, but my crit on gear is also pretty low

modest condor
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im swimming in crit

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34% or something

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got a myth track high crit ring from my first vault

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and double heroic smolderon weapons

edgy widget
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yeah I'm at like 18%, and that's with a crit trinket

summer quail
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Crit is like 5-600 higher for me so i just use vers

edgy widget
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if the difference is small enough, I tend towards vers for the extra survivability

wispy dock
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How’s ur prog been lookin archi?

edgy widget
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lookin like I don't want to do Tindral until a few more rounds of nerfs

wispy dock
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It looks spicy

velvet crypt
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I am suprised they only went with the longer duration

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That one felt like it should've probably been in even for rwf

lavish sage
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Volcoross 2 pulls

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EZ

modest condor
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grats

buoyant salmon
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tomorrows nerf is pretty big though

deft ginkgo
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Apologies if this has been asked already, but I have heard conflicting information about rotation priority outside of cooldowns. Do we prioritise regular bloodthirst over rampage as long as we are enraged, even if it overcaps rage, for the chance to reduce the cd of odyn's fury?

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I was under the impression that the only time you overcap rage outside of cooldowns is to cast bloodbath.

modest condor
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no you dont overcap to cast bt

lavish sage
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man council is such a bad fight

velvet crypt
haughty basin
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should i be running Annihalator build with only 2 piece

oblique trail
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@clever belfry uwu

clever path
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raid yes m+ no

haughty basin
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yeah for raid

clever path
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not having the cdr on odyns in m+ sucks hard

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depending on key level you are very likely to run into packs with no cds and get odyns back at the end of the pack

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which sucks extremely hard

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id just play with t30 4p

rotund steppe
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i hate that in smolderon im usually 6 seconds behind

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in the lust phase

oblique trail
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what do I do now

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PSA, you can charge through the gate past the first boss if he's right inside of the wall

modest condor
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sounds like a skill issue

willow cradle
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That's funny lol

clever path
summer quail
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Have you tried leaping over

oblique trail
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Did everything

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couldnt get through

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it is what it is

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1 dollar game

summer quail
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I think I would just leap over

silent gazelle
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yeah just leap over

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we're all doing it

jade spade
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sup guys, i have a question, i got the cataclysmic and augury trinkets from the raid, is it worth to use both? or should i use only one of them with the rezan trinket maybe?

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cause idk if augury and cataclysmic can proc at the same time or something

oblique trail
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You can generally speaking just sim it to get an answer, but if they're all roughly same ilvl, then in raid Augury and Brand will be the best combo assuming you're able to stack up the Brand and the fight time allows it

oblique trail
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Where one trinket stops the other one from working

jade spade
oblique trail
jade spade
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yea i thought about the internal gcd

oblique trail
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And if possible farm out a Might of the Ocean and use it together with Augury in M+

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Brand can work in keys but it's reliant on your tank chain pulling and the dungeon you're doing

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Some dungeons it'll be great, others it'll be trash

unreal wasp
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can you macro thunderous roar into Odyn's Fury?

oblique trail
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No

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They're both on the GCD

unreal wasp
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ripski

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thanks

oblique trail
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You can do a castsequence macro where it presses them in order by pressing the macro 2 times, but it's generally not recommended

jade spade
oblique trail
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It goes for every ability that's on the GCD

jade spade
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maybe im too old and trinkets doesnt work in the way i thought anymore

oblique trail
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Avatar for example isn't, so you could in theory macro it together with OF, Roar, Spear etc if you wanted to

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Not that it's recommended to at all

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Trinkets work like Avatar where they aren't on the GCD so they can also be used at the same time as anything else, unless it's a specific on-use trinket that causes you to channel

jade spade
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got it, tysm

oblique trail
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With all of this said, again, I wouldn't recommend macroing things together

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And if you do, at the very least have everything on separate binds on their own

outer finch
oblique trail
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Tier 30

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Basically the tier set from season 2

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T31/Tier 31 is the current season

outer finch
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ohhh okay thanks!

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so in warrior's case its the molten one right?

oblique trail
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Molten Vanguard or w/e

unreal onyx
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T30 is onyx crucible iirc

outer finch
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oh my bad

sinful breach
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can anyone explain why the stat prio is M=V > H=C with high ilvl? i thought crit would have gained more value with the BT CDR effect or is it just overcapping with recklessness effect? also with CS,HB again i thought crit would be worth more.
i can see mastery's value getting amped with deft experience at least but i dont understand the rest

pallid storm
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Does Odyns Fury enrage you before the dmg is done with Titanic rage or should I be enraging before popping it?

oblique trail
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The enrage buffs OF

summer quail
unreal onyx
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But high crit = more cdr of of = more often 2p proc = more often big hits, no?

oblique trail
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Correct, but you also get a lot of crit from Reck and 3 guaranteed crits every OF

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Crit is good, but you also have Bloodcraze to help with it on ST

young swan
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not to mention bloodcraze

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👴

oblique trail
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However in AoE, crit gains some value the more targets you have

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Although don't think its to the point where you want to target crit

oblique trail
sinful breach
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aaah i missed bloodcraze, cheers

unreal onyx
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So with 20%+ you should on avg get a crit every bt/bb unbuffed in a 5T cleave scenario?

gilded pawn
#

i think thats how it works yeah

#

in practice its slightly less if you are considering OF cdr

#

because you can crit more than 1 a pack

#

and crit 0

#

but OF cdr is capped at 1 per cast

modest condor
#

at 20% crit you have 67% chance that you get at least 1 crit on 5 targets

buoyant salmon
#

prove it

modest condor
#

ill prove your face

unreal onyx
#

How does that come about

buoyant salmon
#

prove dn

gilded pawn
#

1-(0.8 to the power of 5)

modest condor
#

the chance of something happening is 1 minus the chance of it not happening

#

the chance of not getting a crit is 0.8

#

the chance of not getting a crit 5 times in a row is 0.8^5

#

so 1-0.8^5=~0.67

unreal onyx
#

Damn

#

20%+20%+20%+20%+20% sounds better

gilded pawn
#

but you are expected to get 1 every 5

#

OF CDR is only once per cast right sil

oblique trail
#

yes

modest condor
#

wtf i didnt know you were also called sil

oblique trail
#

Would be very broken if it was per crit

#

Sorry I have this extreme need to answer every question

eternal sundial
#

Member when s2 tier was per Rampage hit

modest condor
#

im sorry to hear that

eternal sundial
oblique trail
#

it's a burden

summer quail
clever path
#

i mean

#

the tier was ass

summer quail
#

Huh? It was beyond broken

keen kindle
#

You rampages once in aoe and sent like a 300% damage bt

clever path
#

yeah and after the changes

#

u bt once

#

every 2 weeks

#

for 130k

summer quail
#

Still strong tho

clever path
#

very strong

keen kindle
#

At least u hit bt and got to rock rb too

gilded pawn
#

the tier was strong

#

just didnt feel impactful

#

unlike s1 tier

#

felt impactful

#

did jack shit

clever path
#

i dont understand

#

how was it storng

#

fury was bottom on st

#

literally

#

the only redeeming factro

#

was being able to spec aoe and not sacrifice st

summer quail
#

A tierset can be strong when a spec is weak

#

Also fury was an aoe machine last tier

gilded pawn
#

well the AOE machine had basically nothing to do with tier

#

not saying the tier is bad on AOE

#

its just that it didnt contribute much to how good our aoe was

opal monolith
#

are we worse on aoe now?

summer quail
clever path
gilded pawn
#

and yeah fury tier was at the top end of DPS increase

shy knot
high hemlock
#

We’re really good in middle aoe feel like in giga aoe pull we can’t compete with some classes

gilded pawn
#

fury never could compete in giga aoe

opal monolith
#

because we are target capped with ww

#

uncap ww cleave

#

gg

gilded pawn
#

nothing changed about that

shy knot
#

If you pop all cds you can do quite nice dmg

opal monolith
#

i wish we never lost bladestorm

#

i cant believe we just took that

#

and didnt riot

shy knot
#

BS sucks

#

I only like it in pvp

clever path
#

how does bs feel good on fury i dont understand

#

ravager is so much better

opal monolith
#

meh, a warrior should have bladestorm, sure ravager is also nice

#

having neither not so much

#

i miss s2 playstyle, this is fun too, but not as fun

candid falcon
#

hurricane ravager was sick imo

#

timing within the burst windows felt good

clever path
#

sitting there not casting spells feels so wrong

#

when playing fury

#

just to buff my whiwlind

subtle lagoon
#

Bladestorm was a part of fury's identity imo, I was never a fan of losing it. Being able to cancel it was high iq as well.

clever path
#

and not press any other button for the next 10 seconds but ww

opal monolith
clever path
#

9.2 fury was so horrible

#

macro spear reck ava

#

ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww

#

bs

#

ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww ww

#

how is that fun ever

candid falcon
#

thats aoe i assume

clever path
#

doing your rotation and cleaving is so much better

#

yes

#

bonegrinder

#

and signet

opal monolith
#

oh the conduit

candid falcon
#

yeah bonegrinder + signet was ultra cringe

subtle lagoon
#

Arms going into this season has a whirlwind spam build too, people seem to like it.

clever path
#

furys identity is that its an abc spec

#

fast no downtime in ur rotation spec

#

arms is slow and has downtime

candid falcon
#

i enjoyed bonegrinder WW but only because it hit so goddamn hard that people would actually take me in pugs

clever path
#

well not anymore

gilded pawn
#

ravager is just generally better than bladestorm

subtle lagoon
subtle lagoon
clever path
#

s2 was peak fury in keys

#

crazy rage gen fast gameplay cds every pack

opal monolith
#

yep

#

it felt so good

clever path
#

i like current fury in keys as well

stuck bison
light wind
clever path
#

bloodbath hits so hard in exe phase its not even funny

#

in packs

opal monolith
#

arms feels like an unfinished spec

#

so clunky

#

its unreal

clever path
#

just bbing a 20% mob brings it to 5% on a 25 lmao

eternal sundial
#

If in execute

clever path
#

ye its actually insane

#

in packs especially when u have cds

#

u can prio a mob

#

and just kill it

#

in cds

dim atlas
#

without reckless blow

subtle lagoon
#

People were saying how they're glad it changed from AM onslaught because it would get stale to play for more than one season.

Bro, how? It's literally the most fun shit ever having reck and ravager every pack?

eternal sundial
#

I love killing the cat in brh

clever path
#

towards the end started playing sks arms

subtle lagoon
#

I'll never understand.

clever path
#

sks arms was peak arms

#

and then blizz ruined sks

eternal sundial
#

Double rampage is the plague

clever path
#

i had triple

#

depends on pack size

#

ravager rage gen is unreal

subtle lagoon
#

Well at least current downtime on fury is fun, right? So satisfying not being able to get rampage so you could use 100% crit BB

clever path
#

what i didnt like about s2 fury was the feeling of mashing 195 buttons a second and not a single one of them hitting for more than 100k

#

bloodbath feels like it has power behind it

clever path
gilded pawn
#

downtime=skill issue

subtle lagoon
#

It can happen

clever path
#

sims wait for resource once in a 5 minute sim and thats for like 0.5s

sudden tusk
#

shoulda made SkS do a frontal cleave

#

imagine a 15 pack all bleeding 100% faster

opal monolith
#

could be no downtime if the cringe ww cd talent didnt exist

#

why is that even a thing

#

atleast using another ww feels better the ndoing nothing

clever path
#

oh u mean that

#

i thought u meant not having ww for cleaving

clever path
opal monolith
#

no lol

#

ye ofc

clever path
#

does good damage if you talent into it

gilded pawn
#

WW doubling its damage is not bad

clever path
#

ye it does a lot in keys for me

#

nothing crazy but its nice

#

idk how it compares to regular ww in terms of overall dmg but it feels nice

gilded pawn
#

its 80% more

clever path
#

ye but u press it less often

gilded pawn
#

but you press it less

#

but heres the thing

clever path
#

i feel like it does more overall

gilded pawn
#

those gcds you can press other stuff

#

yeah

#

its probably a dps down in like 20 targets

opal monolith
#

the whirlwind cd talent should just cast a ravager at ur feet instead 🙂

sinful spoke
#

Th cd is actually a good thing cause sometimes i would pop ww while having 1-2 stacks left

#

And u dont wanna do that

opal monolith
#

just dont

#

do that

sinful spoke
#

The cd doesnt let you do that unless you afk spam ww

gilded pawn
#

im down to make it 3gcds long to not force meat cleaver

#

even if meat cleaver is very much encouraged

sinful spoke
opal monolith
clever path
#

genuinely i cant believe how we used to play keys with no meat cleaver

#

i would always take it in torghast cause it felt so good

sinful spoke
#

Cleave this meat :this:

clever path
opal monolith
#

do u guys mouseover bloodbath on below 35 percent hp targets?

clever path
#

depends if i need damage on my current mob thats >35 but if not yes i mouseover for 50% more damage

#

i justh ave bt on mouseover from the old s1-s2 days of fury in m+ when u needed to mouseover bt to enrage

opal monolith
#

/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Bloodthirst

#

would this work

#

the nodead thingie is so u cant missclick it on dead mobs or?

young swan
#

@hallow sphinx ?

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gilded pawn
#

and any time meat cleaver was viable

#

you could just press N-arms

#

and do infinitely more in those situations

clever path
#

real

hallow sphinx
#

noob

#

bet ultear sims higher then you

#

dork

eternal sundial
clever path
#

god i hate 9.2 fury

#

so much its unreal

#

ra felt dogshit

eternal sundial
#

Worst tierset in the world

#

Ever

clever path
#

was turbo rng

#

legit

#

one pull

#

deathmaker

#

70% siegebreaker uptime

#

next pull

#

20%

#

reck 70%

#

35%

#

like how do u compete

#

with yourself from last week

#

its actually impossible

#

it was totally rng

#

and then 10.0 came and blizzard was like

#

everyone loved sitting at 100 rage pressing crushing blow

#

so we ar edoing it again!

#

everyone loved having rng reck procs so we are doing it again

#

everyone loved spear so we are bringing it back

#

bring back necro banner and make it personal

#

replace em with gloy

#

glory

#

troar in aoe banner on st

#

based

oblique trail
#

feels like you have a lot of pent up frustrations

clever path
#

yes i wanted to play banner so bad

#

it was so good

#

played a lot of prot to experience banner and it was amazing as prot too

eternal sundial
opal monolith
#

im sitting hre insanely overthinking mouseover execute and bb rn

south kayak
#

Someone got his PTSD triggered

image.png
clever path
opal monolith
#

am i crazy

molten spear
#

Does anybody knows for sure if the trinket from the first boss, that branch, works for the damage amp in mythic smolderon? cause it lloks like it from logs but i'm not sure

south kayak
#

Also, they should buff rampage

#

Don't @ me

clever path
#

if not at mobs

#

to see if they are casting / their hp

#

resetting frenzy is a very bad idea

opal monolith
#

its more so the moving around mouse over targets and wasting ever so slightly time? idk man

clever path
#

remove frenzy reset

opal monolith
#

im justr overthinking

clever path
#

dropping frenzy is a big dps loss

south kayak
clever path
#

its a lot of haste

south kayak
#

in alpha or beta or something

#

sucks

clever path
#

cant have shit i guess

#

not banner

#

not human frenzy

south kayak
#

can't have shit in detroit

south kayak
clever path
#

i mean i dont mind current frenzy

#

u just target the prio mob

#

but its annoying in packs iwth no prio mobs

#

and u bbing the pob

#

contributes heavily to it dying fast

south kayak
#

what about when the prio mob jumps away

#

and you change target to someoen closer

clever path
south kayak
#

Honestly, this tier would be so much better if my OF did damage like DH's immolation aura

#

Or something

#

It doesn't feel impactful

#

dhs just do damage 100% of the time

clever path
#

i think thats a dh issue

south kayak
#

and i need OF to be up

#

and 1.5M cds

#

Dh is fucking insane

#

they need to rework so they don't do damage all the time

#

when literally everyone else in the game needs a cd

clever path
#

do they still play momentum

opal monolith
#

target cap their abilitites

south kayak
#

specifically something like a minute and a half

south kayak
#

20% dps for 4 seconds

eternal sundial
#

Reworked class good no way

south kayak
#

or something

clever path
#

momentum is the one talent that has a more negative impact on gameplay than test of might

lofty delta
#

does gorehowl sim properly? Why is it simming so much higher than all other weapons?

south kayak
clever path
lofty delta
#

Demonsbane should be ignored since we're not fighting any demons right?

opal monolith
#

it was awful

clever path
opal monolith
#

terros, spider, rasza , everywhere they terrorised us

clever path
#

it also feels dogshit to play

#

after 45 minutes of playing the spec

#

its like reprisal prot warr

#

feels amazing the first 2 keys

south kayak
#

The nerf to dh for next reset isn't even close to enough

clever path
#

then it becomes very annoying

south kayak
#

immolation aura needs to be nerfed by 50%

opal monolith
clever path
#

idk the worst part is

opal monolith
#

isnt it fully uncapped

lofty delta
#

a champion gorehowl is simming higher than a hero smolderon sword. That doesn't feel right

oblique trail
opal monolith
#

just make it do reduced dmg beyond 4 targets or some shit

oblique trail
#

Only places you'll find demons is in DHT and BRH

clever path
#

the worst part about dh is

oblique trail
#

All it does is put a small bleed on demons

clever path
#

they walk into a pack

#

do 3mil

south kayak
keen kindle
clever path
#

next pack

lofty delta
#

Yes

clever path
#

3 mil again

lofty delta
#

But i'm talking sims, is the target dummy all creature types?

oblique trail
#

no

clever path
#

and im sitting there doing like 500k with only odyns cause i have nothing else

oblique trail
#

it's not

lofty delta
#

cause then it's doing something

clever path
#

just feels so dogshit

south kayak
#

remove dh

#

from the game actually

young swan
lofty delta
#

yes

opal monolith
#

dont need to remove DH, nerf them and make fel rush a stricly mobility ability

clever path
#

s2 fury had cds every pack but they nowhere near as impactful

young swan
#

theres ur answer

hushed ocean
#

first TOTT pull with lust, barely doing 600 - 700k when DH and BM go up to 1M...

clever path
#

reck rava that is

lofty delta
#

how so?

young swan
#

its just mirror proc stat swings

south kayak
south kayak
opal monolith
#

the momentum gameplay is cringe, u cant convince me otherwise, every damn DH will fel rush over you at your expense if they get their dps incr from it

lofty delta
clever path
# lofty delta yes

gorehowl changes ur stats in a way that X stat is now the highest isnted of stat Y

young swan
south kayak
clever path
#

mirror increases your highest secondary

clever path
#

felt bad on st

#

honestly

lofty delta
#

It doesn't tho?

#

Swapping in a random weapon from my bag mast is still my highest

meager gyro
#

5 warriors no leggo, time to gear a 6th

south kayak
#

or don't

clever path
lofty delta
#

Gorehowl just sims 0.5% higher than everything else for some reason

south kayak
meager gyro
#

sucka fuck I want that leggo

south kayak
#

wait for reset

#

do 5 warriors again

meager gyro
#

yeah and then after reset I'll be doing 6 warriors, that's how the game works

eternal sundial
#

I love being a cry about dh nerf discord

#

Truly what i wanted to talk about

eternal sundial
south kayak
eternal sundial
lofty delta
gilded pawn
#

why not just link sims

#

and if its only 3 ilevels

#

and it messes with mirror secondaries

#

it can change a lot

lofty delta
#

Does mirror work on stat number or stat %?

oblique trail
#

number

lofty delta
#

oh, then it's always going to be vers for me xD it's at like 4.5k

hushed ocean
#

450 ashkdandur sims better than any other non mastery weapon <476 ilvl, at least for me.

south kayak
young swan
#

i have 5.2k vers

#

wcyd

south kayak
#

wtf

lofty delta
#

might be my neck?

south kayak
#

are you an outlaw rogue

lofty delta
#

That's a quick sim

#

Might actually be the ring with like 1k vers

south kayak
lofty delta
#

also i think you're right about stats, since the smolderon sword is so crit heavy it's not a great weapon choice

#

not sure if it's interacting with mirror but it might just be really shitty stats

south kayak
#

true and real

lofty delta
#

2.5k crit, 3.9k haste, 3.8k mast, 4.2k ver

#

stats are wack yo

#

Need to swap my haste neck for a better one

meager gyro
#

what's weirdest note you've added when applying to a key

south kayak
#

6/9 HC

opal monolith
#

forklift certified

meager gyro
#

if you saw a fury warrior apply to your key with "show me that dick" would you accept em?

opal monolith
#

no because theres a DH in q below him

south kayak
#

can invite both

split comet
#

does someone know how the bad luck protection item of fyrakk works

#

if u kill on heroic first do u get 3?

#

1 for lfr, 1 for normal, and 1 for heroic?

subtle lagoon
split comet
#

i did normal and heroic last night and got 1 for each

south kayak
proud vessel
#

I see alot more ppl play Bloodcraze over Slaughtering Strikes, why is that?

edgy widget
#

better on ST bosses

#

you can kind of go either way in M+

south kayak
#

slaughtering strikes seems a bit sus with annihilator

edgy widget
#

Not really, I mean it's a weaker version of it, but it still does what it's supposed to do

#

and it is better than Bloodcraze in mass multitarget, since it actually works against all of them

sudden tusk
#

finally got might of the ocean

#

time to start pushing io again

#

tbh with all this damage im wondering if leech might overtake avoidance

#

on gear at this point

clever path
#

the higher u go the more value u get from avoidance tho

lone sky
#

Would you priorize execute always over Bloodbath in execute phase? Idk how but my single target dmg sucks dicks 😄 but theoretical i would say i am safe in rotation... saw a warri same itemlvl pumping double my dmg in st and aoe...

clever path
#

bb is always number one

#

bloodbath is the one doing execute damage

#

with vicious contempt

slim coral
clever path
lone sky
#

So fck of execute i guess?

clever path
#

with ashen

#

you want to prio exe over rampage

#

so bb exe ramp bb exe ramp

slim coral
#

I mean you can just cast it to keep jugg up

clever path
#

delaying ur bb a little bit shouldnt be a major dps loss

latent ledge
#

Does cap fury doesn't matter over filling the prio then?

lone sky
#

Maybe thats my issue alright will test tomorrow 😄

south kayak
#

didn't go in when the boss got pulled?

slim coral
south kayak
#

baze

slim coral
#

like if you're perma prioing exe over bb it is quiet a lot or maybe it feels like it

south kayak
#

how are you

oblique trail
south kayak
clever path
#

i mean it shouldnt be the only reason why he is doing 2x less than the guy with similar gear

slim coral
south kayak
oblique trail
#

Happens sometimes

#

I've never seen or heard of it till I just did it now

clever path
#

it definitely builds up

south kayak
clever path
#

but there have to be multilpe reasons

south kayak
#

just don't charge the boss when he's charging at the wall

slim coral
#

we should be progging trindral but guild cannot dodge waves and is playing so bad

south kayak
#

so that boss is so fucking annoying btw

#

the DHT boss

#

first one

south kayak
#

when did u kill smolderon?

slim coral
#

hang on one sec

trail bane
#

So a DH in my guild said the havoc nerfs equate to roughly 3% aoe nerf and less than that on single target

#

Can anyone confirm this so i can get mad?

south kayak
#

I don't know

latent ledge
#

d

#

but tbh I don't think DH ST was an outlier?

#

it was good but not OP

trail bane
#

no im mostly angry at their m+ dmg

clever path
#

its middle of the pack in st

south kayak
#

yeah, that's the outliner

latent ledge
clever path
#

higher middle

south kayak
#

their aoe

latent ledge
#

Tbh I expect more nerfs to AoE DH because this means nothing

#

they will be super mandatory in keys

clever path
#

in kyes they have good st

trail bane
#

im doing keys with demon hunters 10 ilvls below me (im 482 thye are 470-475) and they beat me in average damage by like 40-70k

#

me doing 220 and they doing like 270ish

#

and im like "yea this is balanced"

final delta
#

why is dh aoe still uncapped is my question 😒

short spire
#

Why should it be

clever path
short spire
#

His immolation aura is literally all his dps dmg

clever path
#

they are very frontloaded with damage

#

and have cds every pack

#

if its a low key u will fall behind quick

south kayak
#

they need to further nerf Immolation aura

#

and fel rush

short spire
#

But the real question why are people pressed at how strong dh is?

nimble pewter
#

just buff warrior tbh

south kayak
#

Why wouldn't thy be?

warped bone
#

Pretty much DHs breakdown for first 5-6 abilities are all some form of AoE/Cleave. ofc they will win even at lower ilvl

clever path
warped bone
#

I'd rather they buff others then nerf the strong ones. But that would cause other balance issues with raids/dungeons being easier.

clever path
#

needs*

trail bane
#

Im angry because its hard to pug keys when people doing keys see the leaderboards having 2x havoc in them

final delta
oblique trail
trail bane
#

Like, i think this m+ balance might be even worse than last season with the aug priest mage bullshit

warped bone
#

It's why i mainly tank if i pug keys. Leave the DPSing for when i play with friends

clever path
#

dh is completely unbeatable if the dh has more than 2 fingers

oblique trail
#

However when it comes to DH atm, it's just kinda insane how much AoE they do compared to almost everyone else and it being so consistent as well

south kayak
#

dh isn't beatable even if they have 2 digit IQ

oblique trail
#

I mean it is

trail bane
#

Look at this

image.png
warped bone
#

They would have to actively not press buttons to lose 😄

trail bane
#

That is not good balance

oblique trail
#

But anyone semi competent at the game can beat the vast majority of people as a DH atm in M+

south kayak
clever path
#

ye thats my issue as well

#

mage was similar ngl

young swan
south kayak
oblique trail
trail bane
young swan
#

just teasing

trail bane
#

im mad

#

:D

young swan
#

i can tell

south kayak
#

anyone elaborate

oblique trail
#

I don't care about playing what's strongest

clever path
#

banner fury would do higher overalls 100% clueless

oblique trail
#

I felt like playing warrior this season mainly, so it's what I'll play

south kayak
slim coral
#

kek

clever path
#

sp wasnt bad at all imo

#

last patch

slim coral
#

and aug

clever path
#

pre aug

young swan
#

yeah but that has class diversity at least

clever path
#

sp was fine imo

#

sure they had the best aoe

slim coral
#

yeah but post aug has just ruined the game

#

for keys

clever path
#

but you could compete

short spire
#

When will fury be S* tier in m+

clever path
#

never