Lmfao
#fury
sinful spoke
I got all the mats ready
No but
I just want it
I grinded evoker leggo too and got it
sinful spoke
150-200k dont remember
subtle lagoon
Do we need rank 2/3 mats?
sinful spoke
I got them early
slim coral
I have 2 greaters and 2 lessers
sinful spoke
Do we need rank 2/3 mats?
No just whatevers cheaper
spare otter
gg
sinful spoke
Ima have to spend 1m
hahahah
Nah bro when i saw the eu prices rise
I went into the ah
Bought everything
Like 30 mins later the prices skyrocketed
spare otter
Fuck man fuck
I was gonna do that
But I thought I was already too late
Time to whip out the wow tokens
subtle lagoon
It should slowly go down, I'm sure there are bots bringing in lots of supply
naive swallow
quick question just thought of it , lego drop isnt related to questline progression right ?
sinful spoke
No
naive swallow
thanks
subtle lagoon
I think I heard that it isn't a terrible or wrong sim, but it also isn't 100% accurate
sinful spoke
I think dungeon slice helps you figure out how much dmg overall you should be doing
Or at least close to
upper grove
Heard, thanks 🙂
subtle lagoon
Pretty sure our boy critcake has also stated that it isn't a terrible sim by any means
oblique trail
I think dungeon slice helps you figure out how much dmg overall you should be do...
It can't because your overall has so many variables you can't possibly simulate it
Dungeon Slice simulates various pack sizes and a boss fight basically
sinful spoke
It can't because your overall has so many variables you can't possibly simulate ...
Makes sense
oblique trail
But unless it's been looked at, the APL for Dungeon Slice and AoE isn't really great, where it doesn't prioritise BB/BT for example
So I'd just personally recommend simming Patchwerk 1 min 5 targets since it generally will give you the best setup for both ST and AoE
upper grove
1 min 5 tar, I'll give that a shot, too. Always thought about that like hey, we're not fighting 5 things for 5 mins lol
oblique trail
It works because of how Fury's AoE works, where you basically ST but cleave everything
wanton mirage
oblique trail
The only thing it doesn't really account for is that crit gets a bit better the more targets you have because of the 4p
wanton mirage
Try this APL for aoe
upper grove
What do I do with this?
wanton mirage
Copy and put in the apl box of raidbot
runic pine
decisions decisions for keys
subtle lagoon
decisions decisions for keys
I use Might and Crab
mystic fractal
Should Might just be macro'd into avatar or something, or is there a specific window in which we want it?
subtle lagoon
I just macro it with reckless since avatar and roar come up soon after
upper grove
Copy and put in the apl box of raidbot
Along with the 1 min 5 tar? @wanton mirage
subtle lagoon
Although it might be a good idea to macro with avatar since both are up for 20 seconds
green gazelle
Wouldn't it be better to just have that all as one macro? trinket -> avatar -> reck for max burst, never worry about them getting out of sync
jovial rover
You want to reck OF
subtle lagoon
Well you want to use odyns / reck first to start working on the cooldown reduction of bt crits
and if you do that you don't want to instantly activate avatar
upper grove
reck charge -> odyn what I was taught, then ramp, bt, ramp, bt Avatar
subtle lagoon
Yeah you activate avatar after 4sec avatar from the first odyn's runs out
Also getting some bt and ramps in lowers your OF cooldown in the process
upper grove
But might on avatar would be cool for big burst and shared cd... im always forgetting to hit it
green gazelle
Sorry, I thought they fixed that and it properly extends avatar now?
You're saying charge -> bt ->odyn->reck->ramp->bt->ramp-bt-avatar ?
or something like that
subtle lagoon
Sorry, I thought they fixed that and it properly extends avatar now?
Titan's torment activates avatar/OF, if you dump all cds you'll be overwriting bleed damage from OF
upper grove
I was taught macro Reckless to Charge, then OF, then rampage, bt, ramp, bt, -> Avatar
Since by then youre not overlapping OF with avatar
green gazelle
I could've sworn I read they fixed the OF bleed to be extended as well
upper grove
If you had source would be interesting to read in full
green gazelle
I can see it if you're running titanic rage, but is that the case if you're running dancing blades?
subtle lagoon
A bit different with dancing blades since you need to enrage before using OF
Which is why you reck>charge>rampage
green gazelle
Or just run Fresh Meat
subtle lagoon
You can see that you don't even need charge in MT burst with titanic rage
subtle lagoon
Or just run Fresh Meat
I haven't simmed it but I don't know if it's worth dropping 10% bt damage for that
subtle lagoon
Oh you're dropping slaughtering strikes though, also haven't simmed that
eternal sundial
From the St tree you are trading off the execute shit for the ww shit
And then floating the bloodcraze
Which can go mass/fb/bc whatever
subtle lagoon
That's rampage damage you're dropping off
eternal sundial
Slaughtering kinda mid youll see if you sim it
subtle lagoon
idk I don't think we have an issue with enrage to have to take fresh meat, but I guess it's qol to do it that way - I'm not sure how mid slaughtering is.
green gazelle
I am losing ramp damage sure, but I can play dancing blades which is better boss dam, and I don't have to ever worry about being enraged at the start of a pull. It's simple and consistent
upper grove
youre saying bc of fresh meat and just using ramp or bt
along with your dancing blades
subtle lagoon
It's a trade off between boss damage and better qol with aoe packs
green gazelle
along with your dancing blades
correct
My AoE is pretty alright anyway, only beaten by BM hunters and dhs. But I beat them every time on the bosses.
upper grove
Ours is similar, I just have bloodcraze and slaughtering strikes insted of 2x vicious contempt
young swan
do not drop VC lmfao
green gazelle
VC too good
subtle lagoon
Yeah that's kinda troll, it's pretty much bloodthirst execute
jovial rover
oof
green gazelle
With VC you don't even execute in execute range unless you need rage
upper grove
haha, I'll have to talk to my buddy who recommended it xD
upper grove
yea
young swan
SS is very bad with anni
subtle lagoon
You'll be spamming bt, and with BB it'll be big dam with VC
green gazelle
With VC my execute bts are around 144k last I checked, while executes were around 76k
Very worth
naive swallow
exe almost a filler LMAO
eternal sundial
Execute is a mid ass button
young swan
yeah execute is not great
green gazelle
Only there when I need my side chick for rage gen
eternal sundial
Or sd proc cuz wasting is dps loss
upper grove
ok bc I was using VC and he was like nah try here and here lol
Was originally on the wowhead path
subtle lagoon
It's sad that execute is dogwater
patent cove
is there a penalty for using one 2h and 1 1h?
eternal sundial
No tg buff iirc
green gazelle
I would trust the wowhead path over your friend. Not saying you shouldn't trust your friend. Just that Archimtiros knows what he's doing very very well
upper grove
so wowhead just swapping ss and fresh meat into VC, bbloodcraze worth it over fresh tho ??
eternal sundial
Bc and fresh do diff things
upper grove
I would trust the wowhead path over your friend. Not saying you shouldn't trust ...
yea absolutely 🙂
rose dagger
For m+ how do we decide between "Slaughtering Strikes" talent vs "Bloodcraze" talent. I see builds swapping them.
green gazelle
I personally bc cuz doing big st is funny
Yes but it feels so bad to delay CDs a few seconds because you're fishing for enrage at the start of a pack
thorny sparrow
so from the article one thing not clear is what to do when, inevitably, Fury and Avatar de-sync completley, like say avatar is off CD but podyns has 15-20 secs remaining
patent cove
titans grip doesnt give u a bonus for having two 2h though
thorny sparrow
im not sure if im to wait until odyns comes off CD or pres avatar on CD
patent cove
its only smf that does
eternal sundial
Yes but it feels so *bad* to delay CDs a few seconds because you're fishing for ...
Reck charge ww slam
green gazelle
im not sure if im to wait until odyns comes off CD or pres avatar on CD
4 set will get them out of sync, that's okay.
green gazelle
I will rip my nails off before including slam at the start of an AoE burst
eternal sundial
Slam as in use all ur shit
green gazelle
bro
thorny sparrow
4 set will get them out of sync, that's okay.
no no i have 4 piece
eternal sundial
Youd be at 98 rage from reck charge ww anyways
thorny sparrow
but im wondering if that changes priority
when de-synced is it still wait for odyns before casting avatar
green gazelle
but im wondering if that changes priority
Yeah, you'll always of first if you can.
thorny sparrow
or just cast avatar on CD
green gazelle
But if it's 20 seconds away, send avatar
upper grove
^
eternal sundial
use a different word
No 
cosmic adder
I lose less than 1% dps from dropping slaughtering in my aoe spec to gain fresh meat which is within acceptable for me to make dancing blades easier to use
upper grove
fits RIGHT IN
It's that 7.1 sec CD
timid forge
wow , just realize how gd S.L.A.M. is , makes everything perfect
get this dude outta here
naive swallow
ye
subtle lagoon
fits RIGHT IN
Just change the icon and you're good to go 
thorny sparrow
my slam icon is still raging blow because its the old macro
eternal sundial
Also if you fish for enrage start of the pull youll die to pug tank threat less
naive swallow
slam is all we needed , that last button that makes fury W.H.O.L.E.
thorny sparrow
and thus when it comes up i just feel like im pressing raging again
#showtooltip
/cast [known:383916] Slam; Raging Blow
naive swallow
btw any dungeon's where spear > roar?
oblique trail
no
thorny sparrow
no
upper grove
no
subtle lagoon
Poop animations and sound effect though
naive swallow
thank god
oblique trail
There is basically no point where you'd want to pick Spear
oblique trail
Even though it's in theory better, it's very difficult to ever get its full value
naive swallow
new animation mending my eyesight a bit tho
eternal sundial
Bongzi new pfp again aintnoway
naive swallow
heck ye
green gazelle
Just get a cute shark
thorny sparrow
new animation mending my eyesight a bit tho
im not sure about it tbh because the talent requires you stand in spear to get the crit boost
green gazelle
you'll never get rid of it
young swan
cant wait for banezi to give me a lobotomy
oblique trail
🧠
thorny sparrow
and it being less visible makes that a bit hard
oblique trail
eternal sundial
cant wait for banezi to give me a lobotomy
Play arms on tindral same effect
oblique trail
cant wait for banezi to give me a lobotomy
we can speed it up if you want
naive swallow
5 tar cap always turns me off
green gazelle
lobanezi
north edge
green gazelle
I felt that message deep in my soul
upper grove
the heck am I listening to on repeat and why is it a banger
desert kite
YO YOU DROPPED THIS. PICK IT BACK UP 
🗣️
upper grove
(did I miss something or is it 1 second for everyone lol)
green gazelle
1 second is all it takes
upper grove
I mean truth
opal monolith
man i wish titanic rage was baseline with OF
everytime i forget im not in m plus spec and i OF not enraged i die inside
hushed ocean
always OF after rampage, probleme solved.
opal monolith
ye no shot bro
patent cove
so theres no penatly to using one 1h and one 2h?
hushed ocean
no, just for the beer
hushed ocean
sure, but i really don't care about the place, no offense to your grandmother
unreal onyx
so theres no penatly to using one 1h and one 2h?
The penalty is the literal worst dmg output you can do
north edge
My cat must have walked on my phone
opal monolith
Lul
opal monolith
sure, but i really don't care about the place, no offense to your grandmother
pretty shit place anyways ngl, beer is deffo better
slim coral
Why does this raid have to be so good it's the one tier warrior is just decent
unreal onyx
Or is it unique equipped
opal monolith
Why does this raid have to be so good it's the one tier warrior is just decent
what do you mean
unreal onyx
I don’t find this raid as good as atsc personally so far
upper grove
Two-handed weapons deal more damage, and provide more Strength and Stamina than... kek
slim coral
I don’t find this raid as good as atsc personally so far
ATSC was ok but fury war op for prog
opal monolith
I don’t find this raid as good as atsc personally so far
aberrus worst raid out of the 3 imo, hot take i guess
slim coral
VOTI was garbo on mythic
north edge
slim coral
VOTI had like 2 good bosses
opal monolith
VOTI was garbo on mythic
why do you feel that way
unreal onyx
Voti was ok, but so far the worst out of the 3
opal monolith
i liked it
north edge
This was my heroic fyrakk kill
unreal onyx
Yet I am only 5/9M currently
slim coral
why do you feel that way
becuase the design was just meh
north edge
Idk how the dh even doubled my damage
slim coral
asthetically and boss design wise it was basic asf
opal monolith
becuase the design was just meh
yea i mean i guess, i just like rasza
sullen dove
lol shabba
unreal onyx
80% of voti bosses felt boring
opal monolith
terrible on mythic
idk i enjoyed getting CE on it
meager gyro
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074831080558964796/1181124703297998928...
um grats, but did you take a pic of your screen with your phone ? o.0
unreal onyx
Rasz myth prog 
opal monolith
rasz myth prog as a warrior was chill af
slim coral
idk i enjoyed getting CE on it
I'm sure you also enjoy c and b touture
opal monolith
compared to others
opal monolith
I'm sure you also enjoy c and b touture
dont tempt me with a good time
north edge
um grats, but did you take a pic of your screen with your phone ? o.0
Yep it’s a pic with my phone and yes I don’t have discord on my computer
spare otter
Yo that's wild
upper grove
Alright ty for tips n stuff, night yall
slim coral
are you doing mythic tindrel?
spare otter
Not yet no
slim coral
ok well when you get there then say the same sentece
slim coral
well they can't make every fight 400 pulls
they tried that with SOTFO
most guilds died
spare otter
Oh lol
oblique trail
I think most fights except council are fine this tier
Although I haven't gotten to Smolderon and onwards on mythic yet
slim coral
yeah they just aren't overtuned
oblique trail
Nymue actually owns on Mythic as a melee
slim coral
they had igira very hard on PTR
oblique trail
Gnarlroot and Igira pretty good first two bosses
slim coral
but they tuned it down due to feedback
spare otter
Council is so boring honestly
slim coral
Volcoross a bit of a let down
After Rashok and Terros it doesnt stand a chance
oblique trail
Didn't prog Rashok and Terros was only fun the first week or two
slim coral
Rashok was bis
oblique trail
Then again not sure how I feel about Patchwerk DPS checks later into the tier so maybe their placement was fine
slim coral
IF they were to make one raid with differnet bosses from every raid this tier for Fated they could make the best raid ever
I think my favorite first boss I've done is taraggrue
was really fun
untold heart
For ST should I be using BT every time it’s off CD?
oblique trail
In general you should
spare otter
Just use it to pool rage
untold heart
I’m currently trying to see if holding rampage more like when I’m not rage capped and using a naked BT to fill instead of pressing rampage into BB
slim coral
yucky
opal monolith
is it worth going multi target roar on igira hc?
slim coral
you're going to be rage camped
untold heart
It looks like rampage, BB, execute, Bt, ramp
slim coral
it's part of the rotation
spare otter
I’m currently trying to see if holding rampage more like when I’m not rage cappe...
Better to do that if you're not gonna get rage capped
slim coral
It looks like rampage, BB, execute, Bt, ramp
that ruins the entire tier set flow
spare otter
I think he means without any CDs
summer quail
You don't need to pool rqge
slim coral
99 percnet of the time you should be able to constnatly ramp into bb
untold heart
There are times when I could ramp but I’m not capped and can use something to fill until im@closer to cap
slim coral
there are very niche scnearios where you have to ww on ST to generate rage
you don't need to be capped
spare otter
Yea idk about that one chief
untold heart
Ok, when I review logs between me and the top guys. Im rampaging 20-30 times more then they are
They are filling with BB and BT
I don’t miss BB once I ramp
spare otter
I mean rule of thumb I follow is:
Less than 110 rage = fill with bt
Over 110 rage just send it
slim coral
I think you're overthinkgin it
for the most part, prio BT > Rampage > fillers
if you're in cds prio bb
untold heart
Thanks
olive wraith
slim coral
the chances of an empty GCD are so slim
slim coral
But prio bb over anything anytime right?
yes bb is prio
gilded pawn
opal monolith
if u do a lone OF and ur not bathing in rage, u still want to use all the 2set charges on BB right?
not waste any on BT ?
like what i mean is it would be better to slam /ww to rampage and use the charges on BB
spiral night
think its fine to use 1 charge on bt insted of wasting 2 globals waiting for rage or cd on slam/ww
or leap/charge for rage if up is probadly better
opal monolith
ye i wouldnt sit around waiting for cd on other builders, but if theyre up
ud be better of using them
to get a BB right
spiral night
aye
opal monolith
'thanks mate
meager gyro
is there anyone that's been playing SMF I can ask what stats are working best for them
or does it not change really 🤔 probly not eh
slim coral
if u do a lone OF and ur not bathing in rage, u still want to use all the 2set ...
it's most ideal to spend it on a bb charge
gusty cloak
this new 4piece feeling weird
slim coral
is there anyone that's been playing SMF I can ask what stats are working best fo...
sims would answer that more than a human
meager gyro
I can't sim 447 whelping blues tho
opal monolith
go to gear compare/ add in the lines urself in top gear
meager gyro
get the info off wowhead for the item?
opal monolith
ye u can do that
it has an option on the right
to copy raidbots strings
jsut add it to gear in bags
the real question tho is , why would you
;P
go SMF
meager gyro
I'll post it tomorrow
cooking a fun template I hope at least
didn't get axe, so adding another warrior to rotation
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> er u have fans. U can made ur cult
real
flat river
gusty cloak
what offpiece are we not using for tier?
icy topaz
Helmet from what i remember
flat river
Indeed
Though im wearing all of them because i have nothing better
I've been playing m+ till i got KSM and i only got 1 belt 
gusty cloak
just got my 4 piece, kinda weird getting used to this lol
flat river
Arch uses WoWhead
Icyveins does some weird copying shit
From warrior specifically
Other classes like priest go to icyveins for talents and gear
Depends on theory crafter
icy topaz
He writes both tho
flat river
Does he?
unreal onyx
I use council helm personally, seems pretty good as offpiece
spare otter
so which one is right? 💀
flat river
No helmet
unreal onyx
Especially since it’s not too hard to get on myth track
flat river
There are better helmets
icy topaz
I use atal helm mastery vers
flat river
Yeah
gusty cloak
t31 aoe raid build really use roar over elysian might?
unreal onyx
I think I‘ll stick with my heavy mast low haste for now
Since you can only get myth atal helm from vault
flat river
I have 26% vers no buffs 
unreal onyx
t31 aoe raid build really use roar over elysian might?
Roar is better in aoe
Im 12% vers
My crit is big bc of double crit trinkets
flat river
IDK how i got so much vers tbh
unreal onyx
32% crit on me
flat river
I do have double smolderon sword
spare otter
15% crit on me
flat river
I forgot my crit
icy topaz
Btw whats like the optimal trinkets for m+
gusty cloak
and crafted spark items are bracers/cloak?
unreal onyx
Crafted embellishment items, yes
unreal onyx
Btw whats like the optimal trinkets for m+
Depends, I think most people use augury, crab, might
flat river
How do i check my stats without logging in
unreal onyx
Wow website
flat river
Armory?
spare otter
15 crit 29 haste 56 mastery 21 vers
unreal onyx
spare otter
what do you sim on st?
lone locust
Is it important if you are enrage or not with BB or just send it no matter what?
unreal onyx
I think im 173k st
flat river
Says no charecters available;-;
flat river
28% crit
unreal onyx
I think myth gnarl weap is +3700dps for me in mh alone
unreal onyx
Smolderon is 4k
spare otter
it's only 1.6k
unreal onyx
But im down bad for any weapon
lavish grove
I think myth gnarl weap is +3700dps for me in mh alone
~ same
spare otter
unreal onyx
Surely I get leggo next reset
spare otter
surely
lavish grove
lavish grove
We all will get it
flat river
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/sylvanas/Stronkmon
It says 19% vers but i have wrists so about 23%-26%
unreal onyx
It doesn’t count in the embell add
flat river
Ik
unreal onyx
But ye, vers propably showing higher ingame
flat river
I get like 28% with pot vers
- druid is like 31%/32%
When i go home ill get a druid to buff me and ill use pot
gusty cloak
Where can i find the new t31 rotation guide?
unreal onyx
Wowhead
flat river
Aw
spare otter
was gonna try it out tbf
flat river
I'm playing it
flat river
It's better now
A little bit
xD
Im playing warlock
U get Chaos Bolt at like lvl 7
100 dmg
150 crit
Cannot be resisted/dodged
spare otter
feel like warlock is pretty popular
flat river
Yeah because of Metamorphosis
They can tank now
But the questline for it is long
Includes doing the raid
I'm playing destro for the time being
If i enjoy it I'll stick with it, but i will try tank warlock aswell
My second character is going to be a paladin
They get crusader strike lvl 2
shy knot
classic boring
L take
flat river
And they can get divine storm/ageis
spare otter
idk man
that shit puts me to sleep
very high highs but very low lows
and most of it is lows
spare otter
i receive hate because i speak the truth
flat river
I play it for like 30 min, get off for a while, play for 30 min
Repeat
Yes lvling is hard but it's capped at 25
shy knot
Dude you cannot be serious
flat river
So u won't be behind :D
shy knot
Retail has plenty lows
shy knot
Pugging a key ? Downtime 30m for each one
flat river
That too
shy knot
Same with solo shuffle
shy knot
Classic you just play
hybrid raft
every time i see a GDKP i die a bit inside
shy knot
Even the “down” moments can be fun
flat river
Plus, professions are useful. Not in the sense of professions now aren't but they are more useful.
shy knot
SO fun
lavish grove
Classic has some good things
lavish grove
Reminds me of my childhood 
flat river
lemme press one button rotation in raid
We do that already as fury warriors but 2 instead of 1 
spare otter
yea but it hits different
flat river
Double the buttons?
shy knot
Dude
spare otter
remember how hyped everyone was for classic
shy knot
Fury rotation in classic has more buttons
spare otter
but everyone just started doing boosted mage dungeon runs instead of levelling
lmfao
flat river
SoD is BiS
flat river
but everyone just started doing boosted mage dungeon runs instead of levelling
People still do boosts in retail
lavish grove
but everyone just started doing boosted mage dungeon runs instead of levelling
Doesn't work now I think
flat river
60-70
Also boosting isn't good now
Because u want to go get runes
And they are in the way of your lvling direction
Going back to farm them later would take a lot of time
Plus u will lvl proffesions
I have a lvl 10 warrior but i dropped it because it was boring and really hard to lvl
spare otter
classic too hardcore for me anyway
spare otter
time investment too much
flat river
time investment too much
It's lvl 25 max rn
flat river
Just play it on your own time
unreal onyx
I would play classic if the leveling wouldn’t take so long
spare otter
^
flat river
I do mind it a little
spare otter
you tellin me i gotta farm gold as well?
flat river
But I'm a casual
spare otter
aint no way
flat river
So i lvl for like 30 min to 1 hour and take a break for a while
flat river
you tellin me i gotta farm gold as well?
You don't have to "farm" gold
unreal onyx
Just buy token 
flat river
You could pick up mining while in starting zone, you'd max it
spare otter
you'd never catch me doing professions
flat river
Skill issue
flat river
Make a lvl 1 Nelf
spare otter
idk
flat river
Free monies
barren dagger
Full worldbuff speedrunning as fury is gigafun
unreal onyx
Man I wish ww had some „special animations“ like arms has with ss buff
flat river
Full worldbuff speedrunning as fury is gigafun
Worldbuff speedrun any%
unreal onyx
SD sweeping strikes looks soooo sick
unreal onyx
Fury ww is just ST animation
flat river
I think the animation for sweeping strikes execute would work better on fury
Because u cleave 4 adds
And it slices in a cone infront of you
unreal onyx
Yea the animation is like a 180 degree turn
flat river
Yes
They should make arms sweeping strikes animation like a half x
Like
/
Instead of I
unreal onyx
Writing an angry letter to blizz rn
spare otter
bb needs a better animation tbh
spare otter
wehn we crit for 400k
needs to have an animation with some oomph
you know
like condemnm
flat river
I love BB crit at below 35%
UwU
BB crit at below 35% with recklessness and avatar active + odyns fury buff of both DB and BB buff
And spear
tame yarrow
Who needs execute anyway
iron portal
bb needs a better animation tbh
you need a better animation tbh
shy knot
I love that
flat river
But tbh when i see people doing more dmg than me i feel better
shy knot
You KNOW you cant top dps unless they suck
flat river
Yeah exactly
flat river
You KNOW you cant top dps unless they suck
Especially if they play non-meta class and they deal big dmg
Like survival hunter
unreal onyx
No excuses for DHs or rogues to not perform
flat river
Is 160k-180k overall in dungeon good?
unreal onyx
Thats avg simmed ST
flat river
Then what was i looking at
unreal onyx
I think highly depends on the dungeon
flat river
Was i looking at last boss only? XD
unreal onyx
A doti key will have a lot less overall than a brh or tott
unreal onyx
160 sounds pretty low for overall key dmg
ROCK
flat river
Honestly, what business does Dwayne have there
flat river
Heroic dung
meager gyro
or timewalking
flat river
Now it counts heroic dungeons and time walking ones
Damn, ngl could go for some sushi rn
twin glacier
and hwat kind of loot do i get`?
fast mural
unreal onyx
Any heroic df dungeon I think
plucky ice
civilian gear lmao
lavish grove
Can't you hover over vault slot to see loot ilvl?
plucky ice
subtle lagoon
Pedestrian gear
flat river
Non-combatant gear
clever path
wat shoul i craft bois?
subtle lagoon
Allied wrist, cape with shadowpatch, ring with flavor pocket if you want
clever path
the vers wrist?
subtle lagoon
Yeah
clever path
aight tnx luv
vale token
Is there any plan or given week by Blizzard to remove crest caps? I did not play previous seasons so I dont know the usual practice. Thanks!
atomic nymph
You'll generally move past crest cap in a few weeks, as any upgrade state reached will no longer cost you crests
vale token
I already reached to 463 level at my all gears, but it seems I will need hell of wyrms for my hero gears 🙂
hard relic
I already reached to 463 level at my all gears, but it seems I will need hell of...
Ideally you would only upgrade hero track 470 gear to save up on crests
vale token
You are right, but since I am a pugger; I had to use it all to find a group around 15s 16s 🥲
Guess I will save it from now on
chrome plover
Is there any plan or given week by Blizzard to remove crest caps? I did not play...
they won’t remove the cap
since it stacks up infinitely
vale token
Thanks!
quaint stag
And people are WAY less toxic in classic
I don’t know about that. Maybe in SoD it’s fine but I’ve played since vanilla classic to wotlk classic and I’ve seen more toxicity there than retail. Especially since rdf and gamma dungeons were introduced in wrath icc patch
sullen wagon
Things are just way harder in retail
in endgame
No real reason to be toxic in classic if you play with players of your level since the content is ez af
plucky ice
quaint stag
True, but I think that’s why rdf has been worse in wotlk since the last patch. You expect people to be able to do one dungeon mechanic and they still mess it up
flat river
I don’t know about that. Maybe in SoD it’s fine but I’ve played since vanilla cl...
I said classic not Wotlk
Like vanilla classic
spare otter
ok maybe i try sod
flat river
ok maybe i try sod
Do it, at least the first 10 lvls will be fun because it will be in the starting zone :D
Don't really have to think cause of that ^^
Also you can get 3-4 runes in the starting zone
Depending on class
If you want a guide to runes you can look at Wowhead
spare otter
yea ima play if my friend does
flat river
yea ima play if my friend does
I can be your frien
If you want, me and 6 of my guildies are playing it. We're planning on making a guild on running the 10 man with some xtra pugs
We are in Wild Growth
You could also go into rppvp server and join abomination guild
If ur into that
spare otter
mmm sure but my friend isnt really a wow player tho
like he can do raids in retail and shit
but hes a bit of a bot
flat river
We're casuals as well no worries xD
I'm planning on tanking with lock when i get Meta
My mage friend is healing
But u can play what u like :3
graceful granite
Good day everybody, tell me please, why does my execute is so low damage? In description its about 72k ( no stacks ) but if i hit with it its about 50k avg damage
fading sky
Armor
graceful granite
Okay, thanks, thought about it earlier, now i know ;D
fading sky
😁
mild iris
160 sounds pretty low for overall key dmg
Here I was wondering if my 115k overall was fine or not
clever path
Do we save our cds for the last add in M Nymue?
graceful granite
Saving cd = losing dps
oblique trail
Not necessarily
clever belfry
if you dont lose a use
oblique trail
If it's your last cast in the fight anyway, you wont lose anything by holding it for the add if the add has to die
potent chasm
Good morning fellow zug zugs. maybe a stupid question. Bloodbath with 2 points in vicious contempt or execute?
subtle lagoon
Why is the coil trinket in our bis cheat sheet
clever belfry
Why is the coil trinket in our bis cheat sheet
funny snek
thick fossil
Any good news for Warrior, that might make me come back to the game?
tardy lark
Any good news for Warrior, that might make me come back to the game?
We are tuned around getting an rng legendary (although with blp)
subtle lagoon
Nothing new in particular, fury got buffed in pvp but I would assume it's still ass compared to arms
thick fossil
short spire
unreal onyx
We are tuned around getting an rng legendary (although with blp)
Are we?
winged linden
For those who plays and kills mythic Smolderon, do you guys know if it's worth to not use recklesness and spear on pull and wait for the 1min10 first intermission to use it on orbs so you can have it on every intermission phase ?
oblique trail
I'm fairly certain DKs dps was pretty piss all things considered
So the 1.5%~ increase to ST isn't exactly going to cause a lot of ripples
subtle lagoon
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html frost dk gained stonks
Without a legendary
late ivy
how do u guys have OF as top dps on tindral @.@
oblique trail
By having it ready for every root set
fading sky
Deals with other fpders
late ivy
i have it almost every root set and it doesn't come close to rampage lol
oblique trail
Does your roots also just vanish due to everyone elses damage
oblique trail
Because roots die very quickly or slowly depending on your raid
late ivy
roots died rlly fast
oblique trail
If that's the case then no wonder
late ivy
i topped dps and still green parse xD
earnest olive
15% crit enough?
idle dune
Quick question: On pull, do we Recklessness AND Avatar at the same time or once the Recklessness buffs fall off, then Avatar?
unreal onyx
Reck-charge-ramp-if-roar/spear-bb-ramp-bb
unreal onyx
Yes
oblique trail
Reck-charge-ramp-if-roar/spear-bb-ramp-bb
wat
You placed Avatar where OF should be
oblique trail
Easier way to know when to use Avatar, is to track your Avatar buff, and use it as the Avatar from your OF is about to run out
unreal onyx
Is the timing of the of bleed and of avatar the same?
sullen dove
how we feeling about doing a normal fyrakk for greater ember then heroic, or is ember only from heroic
and/or does it only apply for the following week
oblique trail
The greater ember is from both normal and heroic
unreal onyx
You get it from both
oblique trail
But per what Blizzard says there's no reason to do normal then heroic
sullen dove
I did a normal sale today and def did not get any embers
unreal onyx
But afaik it’s not worth doing nm if you do hc after
oblique trail
Did you already kill normal Fyrakk earlier this reset
sullen dove
uh no
unreal onyx
You get it once per week
sullen dove
just heroic
sullen dove
so only one in total from all dif?
oblique trail
Then that's why
sullen dove
like you don’t get two greaters
unreal onyx
If you got hc ember you don’t get nm after I think
oblique trail
Killing on Heroic means that you don't have to do normal or lfr
It counts as clearing the lower difficulties in one go
sullen dove
but I’m saying if a greater drops off normal without doing heroic, would the “Blp” add to your heroic kill after doing the normal
aside from all that
covert blaze
isn't the blp for the next reset?
oblique trail
I have no idea honestly how they engineered the BLP
sullen dove
Yea I mean idk if anyone or anything specifically said that
oblique trail
Don't think they've explicitly stated how it works
unreal onyx
Its all just theorycrafting
oblique trail
Except that there's no reason to do normal then heroic, as heroic will just count for heroic and every difficulty below
covert blaze
they are encouraging doing the highest diff only, it would make sense for the blp to be for next reset so you dont need to do lower difficulties before the highest one
unreal onyx
But I think it doesn’t increase your odds to do nm before hc
sullen dove
cuz unlike evoker with passive Blp for killing boss on heroic, If you get the items on normal does it count for that week’s chance on heroic, or making the Blp only change for the following week
covert blaze
I would assume it's next week but who knows
sullen dove
but yea if their goal is to say it’s ok to do highest difficulty first reasonable to assume it’s next reset
unreal onyx
You can clear nm before to farm lesser embers maybe
sullen dove
But idk don’t got anything better going on I might as well try
covert blaze
you can't get lessers from normal can you?
sullen dove
i didn’t but that was after clearing heroic so idk
maybe you get like 1 extra on heroic for not doing it on normal
i know I got another out of mythic
tardy lark
Are we?
Probably not, but feels like it when arms sim suddenly became competitive on st sims after axe was in
south thunder
Pre sure it’s stated just do hardest difficulty you can and your done.
oblique trail
The tinfoil hat narrative sounds better for our case so lets just say we are fully tuned around the lego
stoic scarab
You can clear nm before to farm lesser embers maybe
Blue post said specifically leaders were only heroic and mythic
unreal onyx
You can do nm before to cope with augury drop
stoic scarab
I got a greater from normal then also heroic and for that reason I think blizzard would have built BLP to apply after reset with their line about only needing to do the highest difficuly. Otherwise you would do normal for a token before heroic each week..
deep niche
so whats the point
you can get 3 greater tokens per week later
or you can do 1 time highest dif
and get 1 token
silver parcel
Hi guys, what do you consider a "solid" overall DPS in M+ ? (Not counting the M+ with huge DPS increase as everbloom or throne of the tides)
deep niche
it depends on your ilvl/key level/fort or tyr week
silver parcel
Just got my 4p, 260ilvl in 15-20 keys in fort
fickle bone
on nymue you guys pump avatar+sprear on add or hold for boss?
unreal onyx
260?
silver parcel
460*
deep niche
200k+-
gilded obsidian
Are peoples mythic guilds still reclearing hc? we raid 2 days a week and they are wanting to rush straight back into mythic to kill larodar for a higher world ranking but seems pointless to me at this stage
silver parcel
Thanks, still room for improvements, I'm doing around 150k
deep niche
lol world rank
unreal onyx
Clearing/skipping hc will most likely be in our rotation until everyone has the legendary for my guild
deep niche
+trinkets
gilded obsidian
thats what i think we should do as well, ty.
silver parcel
What is the drop rate of the legendary on HC ?
unreal onyx
No one knows
naive swallow
is +20 guaranteed 3 pieces?
unreal onyx
It‘s literally week 1
deep niche
upper mica
rezan only good for ST?
deep niche
next week lfr fyrakk will be open?
naive swallow
been doing the raid on hc for 2 weeks , why am i not ever seeing this https://gyazo.com/52222480fd1bf94b7497b90c069c8c86
chrome plover
been doing the raid on hc for 2 weeks , why am i not ever seeing this https://gy...
you get it from fyrakk
naive swallow
neither this nor lesser , which is the one from other bosses?
naive swallow
i dont see it tho
did i used it on accident ? is it sth that stays in the bag or clickable?
silent burrow
Did you kill fyrakk this week?
naive swallow
yes on hc
silent burrow
then you got one
unreal onyx
Or you didn’t loot the boss and it’s in your mail
naive swallow
i'd assume it used it for me right when hc fyrakk died on my screen
tacit crag
Or you didn’t loot the boss and it’s in your mail
It's not looted
naive swallow
coz it's bad luck protection anyways i guess
tacit crag
It's personal you get it the second you kill fyrakk
naive swallow
couldnt find a trace of either greater or lesser anywhere
umbral ingot
how broken would fury be if it had rend
naive swallow
rend feels kinda weird with fury
oh u know what tho
S.L.A.M. on the other hand, that's the shite
everybody loves it , what fitting icon
tacit crag
how broken would fury be if it had rend
Get leggo and find out. Mark of fyrlath is basically rend bleed
naive swallow
video says it's like draught of soul , thought it's got some sorta on use channel effect?
idk
spare otter
All my homies hate slam
naive swallow
ahh bummer
umbral ingot
all my homies miss AM
unreal onyx
AM can stay dead
half cargo
unreal onyx
Fuck relying entirely on uptime
inner sonnet
tbh the new tier makes me feel like i still have AM because of odyn's fury CD reduction and then the 3 massive BBs after that
unreal onyx
The of cdr is not nearly as bad as the am cdr
covert blaze
all my homies miss AM
no fuck AM
tidal heron
Dungeon Slice is correctly working for Fury right?
Or patch 5target 1.5min better?
Or do y'all just be like "meh, I sim ST and be done with it"
indigo quarry
Fury aoe is just to get those ww stack in there
covert blaze
yeah sim st honestly
spare otter
If I had any to change at least
tidal heron
k, will stick to ST then
unreal onyx
Trinkets will not be accurate for m+
tidal heron
no, sure, it's mostly about droptimizer sims to see where I can get "the best" upgrades still
tidal heron
trinkets I hope I'm clever enough to swap on my own 😉
tidal heron
haven't seen might, nor augury (logical) yet
running mirror + signet atm
spare otter
I'm running signet + rezans
tidal heron
might run crab in some dungeons were signet has crap uptime
spare otter
My st is good in m+ ig...
unreal onyx
Signet in m+
spare otter
21 dungeons in throne still haven't got might
tidal heron
signet's fine in M+ depending on the dungeon, and the speed of the tank
this week it's easier to keep up with spites, next week ... well, I hope to have might by next week
spare otter
Branch is really fun to use
But the cd is so long not even worth
Does less dps overall than my signet
shy knot
might run crab in some dungeons were signet has crap uptime
Ugliest pfp of all time
unreal onyx
I am still using a 447 ring and 450 ashk
flat sapphire
I have replaced all my 447 gear when I got that trinket
granite tiger
we should Try to fill rage bar close to 130 before pressing rampage ?!
tardy lark
we should Try to fill rage bar close to 130 before pressing rampage ?!
Your main concern is staying enraged as much as possible. After that, it’s not overwriting tier set buffs
So in short: kind of?
pale dragon
Were our stat priorities for season 3 changed recently? I could swear the wowhead guide had crit>vers>mastery>haste at the beginning of season 3
tardy lark
If you don’t have bloodbath to spend, then rampage becomes the next most important spell to cast as soon as you can
tardy lark
Were our stat priorities for season 3 changed recently? I could swear the wowhe...
If the item has mastery on it, it’s most likely good. Sim your guy and don’t look at stat weights or priorities
wild mural
Im using augury + might
im gonna go do Fyrakk normal and get normal augury as my bday present
unreal onyx
Surely
wild mural
Not 
sterile stratus
I'm gearing up my warrior now.
Guild requested I play havoc start of season.
I just wanna unga bunga.
unreal onyx
Are you a rwf raider?
sterile stratus
No, we just had no one on that token.
wild mural
unga bunga
unreal onyx
Token?
wild mural
10 man hc guild or
sterile stratus
Tier. Guild had no dks, no warlocks, no dhs start of season.
tardy lark
Did everyone reroll rogue or some shit
wild mural
disgusting
unreal onyx
Yea, how
tardy lark
sterile stratus
All 3-4 of the people on it switched classes this one. 2 went rogue, locks went mage
slim coral
Did everyone reroll rogue or some shit
granite tiger
Your main concern is staying enraged as much as possible. After that, it’s not o...
fair enough ty ^^
silent burrow
how broken would fury be if it had rend
It was gonna have rend initially in df lol
They had it in class tree instead of spec tree
wild mural
Surely <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
you were right to question this
fuck them DH's tho
fading sky
Big bad pad
sterile stratus
Dat throw glaive action on the souls is like auto padding
Unless they like, hunted the whole line
lament crane
I despise annihilation play style, how much worse is tenderize vs annihilation?
sterile stratus
Huh, not as much as id have though
urban tapir
bout the same as going SMF
sterile stratus
Smf enjoyers rise up:
sterile stratus
Oof
lament crane
Nice, cause I prefer tendies
wild mural
SMF >>>>>>
sterile stratus
God I wish they'd just make it baseline. It being a talent is so cringe
vocal fog
is classic sod good?
serene moat
shy knot
is classic sod good?
For ret yea
pulsar turtle
whats the fastest way to gear up alt at this time?
other than paying for dg boosts
if my ilvl is legit 0
meager gyro
timewalking x 2 weekly quests, dream thing from .7 x 2 weeklies
pulsar prawn
Play new zone
warm crag
im p sure you can legit buy a 430 set from the ah
warm crag
ye then do the dream weeklies for 2x 450 pieces
pulsar prawn
ye then do the dream weeklies for 2x 450 pieces
- world boss
warm crag
is kazzak still up
sterile stratus
whats the fastest way to gear up alt at this time?
The time rift and surge weeklies give you gear you can get to 450 and catalyst into last seasons tier.
Probably the best baseline for a "no gear alt"
trim obsidian
Hello guys, I didn't find it on Wowhead, but should i swap to annihilator after 2pc or 4pc?
Sorry for stupid question
sterile stratus
I think if you have 4pc from last tier you don't break it til 4pc this tier.
left perch
2/2 is ok
trim obsidian
I mean i don't have any tiersets, just fresh start
wild mural
hooray
sterile stratus
You can get 4pc 450ilvl from last tier with catalyst if you didn't know
Dunno if that'd still be useful to you though
wild mural
buff fury please
trim obsidian
You can get 4pc 450ilvl from last tier with catalyst if you didn't know
I didn't play 10.2 at all, will i still be able to?
subtle lagoon
Can't wait for those nerfs
sterile stratus
I didn't play 10.2 at all, will i still be able to?
Yes. The gear you get from time rift and dream surge weekly can be lvld up to 450 and be turned into tier.
tardy lark
When the dollar store version does more damage than the brand name