fury

[plucky ice]

i get it if youre pusing but doing 20s it makes no sense, theyre all easy

[subtle lagoon]

So I get it, it sucks but I get it

[unreal cape]

wanted to push til 3k, but it just gets more frustrating and more unfun each day

if you dont have premade and are solo pugging

[plucky ice]

the metaculture is one reason i dont give a shit about score, for competitive just play some other game

[unreal cape]

yeah, seems better to just abandon the idea of pushing score

have to get the idea of reaching 3k out of my head i guess

[subtle lagoon]

Nah keep at it, 3k is no biggie

But expect to wait a whole lot

[plucky ice]

maybe if 3k had some reward also

[unreal cape]

i've been applying to 22s/23s for 40mins now, no invite

how am i gonna push

[subtle lagoon]

I had days where I spent more than 2 hours applying back in season 2

Ended with 3.3k

[unreal cape]

then when i get into groups / or make my own group ppl often make the dumbest mistakes, some evoker dying all the time, or hunter. where im asking myself how is this guy in a 21/22

[clever path]

get a group idk what else to tell you

[unreal cape]

maybe i just need to take a step back and lower my expectations. cuz rn its tilting af

[clever path]

pugging in all games sucks

[unreal cape]

idk how, i never had a "group"

[clever path]

do your keys until you meet a good tank/heal/dps and ask them to do more keys

[unreal cape]

i do add people when its a good run, but then we never do keys ever again

[subtle lagoon]

Yeah sometimes you find a good group and do keys with them, add people too

[atomic nymph]

I am genuinely interested in what makes it so different for people. I've had no issue being accepted to anything in the 20-25 range.

[subtle lagoon]

I've had people fall off and I don't do keys with them but it's good to build up a roster nevertheless

[unreal cape]

whats your score ?

[subtle lagoon]

You have legendary you have no say in this

lol

jk

[unreal cape]

oh yeah, i forgot about that aswell lol

[atomic nymph]

I mean, i don't advertise it.

Climbed from 2900 to 3000 yesterday

[clever path]

what was your previous 2h? if 489 whats the dps increase in keys?

curious

the dot should be massive no?

[unreal cape]

im 2840, timed everything on 20, half of it on 21. timed twenty 20+ runs. no invite in 40mins. so thats that.

[meager void]

whats your previous season score?

[atomic nymph]

Like, 5-6% not counting ilvl boost, so prob abouts 11-12% in total from 483

[unreal cape]

my previous highest in S1 was 2774, so currently this is my highest score. i skipped S2

[heavy terrace]

but can i ask you guys whats the point to go higher then a 18 key you unluck highest gear at 18

just for the rating ?

[meager void]

there you go. People at higher scores do look into stuff like that.

[atomic nymph]

Is there any chance you could link your RIO?
https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Líndwar

I don't even have prev season score

[hasty path]

you get portals at 20s

but also it's for fun

[heavy terrace]

so ?

ok fun

[unreal cape]

well.. are you saying that you'll never invite a guy who didnt reach 3K in a previous season? how am i ever gonna get into groups then if thats your mindset or the mindset of some ppl

thats just dumb

[meager void]

that's just judging with all the info available

[heavy terrace]

why its each of its own right

[meager void]

im sorry reallity hurts

[heavy terrace]

im doing it for the gear

im not that skilled player also XD

[still ibex]

You need to do your key then. It's obvious answer how we get score as offmeta

[heavy terrace]

but i dont see the point for me

but ok fair game 🙂

[unreal cape]

so you're saying, ppl who havent reached 3K in the past, they aren't allowed to have the opportunity to reach that rating in the present ? cuzz they didnt go giga hard in the past, so why should they have the opportunity to break into that rating in S3 of DF

like thats so elitist

and BS

im not applying for 25s. im just applying to 22s, maybe 23s

ive timed every dungeon on 21, thats the natural next step for me

[heavy terrace]

no i dont mean to be a a HOLE

just was curious

[atomic nymph]

Idk if i'd think of it that way. Looking at your runs compared to me, I am noticing one thing.

I started off by taking my key up to a 23-24 and timing that, to then be accepted into others 22-24's

From what i can see, if i found the correct character, your highest is a 21 - People will be sceptical taking you into anything higher than what you've done before

[heavy terrace]

always doing my own keys not even trying to get in another key XD

[still ibex]

You won't ever get invited to 23 if you have only half on 21 and no 22s timed. It is what it is

[tepid shore]

Brother I have all 22s timed and I still don't get invited to 23s

[heavy terrace]

why would i do a 23 thats my question haha

20 i understand for portal

[tepid shore]

Bragging rights.

[heavy terrace]

wich new season you would never use again

yeah that what i though

like the my di ck is bigger then yours

[unreal cape]

yeah, Rhanoss-Stormscale. my highest timed is 21. thats why im trying to get into 22s

[tepid shore]

title if you go hard enough.

[winged tartan]

dude stop crying

get better + ratio

[unreal cape]

i'm just talking about it, not crying

[tepid shore]

The only good advice I can give without toxicity unlike other people is push your own key.

[heavy terrace]

yeah im not mad or anytthing 🙂

[tepid shore]

It's one of the only ways warriors can get into keys reliably rn.

[heavy terrace]

just wondering haha what the point was

[unreal cape]

and i think its allowed to be frustrated, when you apply for keys for 40mins and get no invites

[heavy terrace]

but cool now i know

[unreal cape]

yeah

[winged tartan]

you dont have any timed 22

you dont get into one

[unreal cape]

i know, thats why i'm trying to run 22s

[winged tartan]

simple as that

yeah then push your key

[atomic nymph]

Yeah, I completely understand the frustration - Looking at it you're def capable of 22-23's, but you need to put yourself in the leaders shoes.

They have 20+ people of the big agi 3 classes applying, all of which have probably ran a higher key before.

Then they see the warrior with highest as +21 (+1) - It doesn't give off the impression that there's anything special, or an incentive to pick that person

[winged tartan]

like everyone else said

[atomic nymph]

In reality, try to push your own key, or at least +2 some 21's

[tepid shore]

Yeah but the difference is if a BM hunter had a singular 21 timed and queued for the same keys they'd be invited.

B)

[winged tartan]

when im pugging i also take meta classes with higher ilvl and score than me

[atomic nymph]

At that point it won't look like (At first glance) that you're barely scraping by 21's, but that you're pumping

[winged tartan]

cuz why would i take anything else if it gives me higher chance to time the key

[heavy terrace]

yeah me 2 haha

[unreal cape]

Yeah, thanks for your input. It makes total sense when you put it that way. I'll just go back to push my own key, it's what i've done for all 20s/21s, but i thought i'd try to apply for 22s... Pushing my own key seems like the only way to go here

[glad storm]

I'm getting in way more than last season I feel. Getting invited to 22s and 21s now. But yes, pushing your own key is the way...

[atomic nymph]

I don't think it'll stay that way, you just need your RIO mouseover to show that you've been in those levels before and finished it

[tepid shore]

I only started getting bigger bites again after I hit 2900, but it still takes 30-45 minutes.

[glad storm]

Might be the times I play that there aren't better sign ups, but I'm like 2850 and 478 and get invited fast.

[tepid shore]

Mayhaps

[unreal cape]

@atomic nymph thanks for your input, appreciate it m8!

[atomic nymph]

no probs, if you wanna get it going i have a 23 darkheart with your name on it as well 🙂

[glad storm]

But yea, you're inviting the best person for your key no matter what. Either you're that on your warrior, or you're not. If you're not, prolly not getting invited.

[cedar rose]

Anybody a idee how mutch dps a 4set gives over a 2 set ?

[tepid shore]

A lot

[glad storm]

Depends, but it's prolly over 10% if I had to guess.

[sullen wagon]

At some point if you're 3k io it's easier to get into 20's late in the seaso

that's for sure

[tepid shore]

I just wanna stay the #1 warrior on my realm.

[atomic nymph]

Replacing 1 tier piece with an identically stated piece without tier effect, i lose 15k dps (215k - 200k) ST, so you're looking at 7-8%

Probably more in aoe

[meager void]

its not like big brother creates some laws dude omg. Its just people judging fast to chose the best players and get on with a key.

[shy knot]

The whole of wow is like this

Before creation of SS you couldnt get into 3s 2s neither

2k xp required atleast

[noble elm]

You’re never gonna get random invited to 22, 23s etc. you could be 3500 IO and 485 ilvl, and you’d still be waiting 20 minutes a key. For better or worse that is just how it goes. Meta is meta and it is like this for every off meta dps class every season. Blizz isn’t going to do anything about it lol

[shy knot]

They dont care

At that io you are like 2%

Maybe less

[restive peak]

I get invited to keys within minutes daily, once in a blue moon it takes 20-30m

So exaggerated, and if you have 1 times 22 and are apping to 23/24s don’t be surprised you’re not first pick

[shy knot]

Honestly above 20s without a stable group is shit

Even before its shit

Best bet is to play tank or fotm reroll

[noble elm]

If you’re getting invited quickly then you have 3 things. High io, high ilvl, and you have 24s/25s already completed which is good on you for getting it. But that’s not gonna be the experience for the majority of players. Agree complaining isn’t gonna help though you just gotta go do it

[meager void]

experience = invites, what a wild logic at play here...

however, It might also be that some of you are not using the proper addons for puggin. Look for Premade Groups Filter.

you might also be feeling this "i dont get invites" because you apply to wrong groups to begin with

this is how your puggin interface should look like for better applications

[frosty karma]

anyone progging tindral mythic, the only public warrior log has him holding all his cds until 51 seconds into the fight, looks like we dont have any dps assigned for specific roots yet

[glad plover]

Define experience. Is doing 20 times 20s of specific dungeon, enough to let you go into 21? By all logic, yes it is. 21 is harder but its not night and day. I timed 23 DHT with only peole who timed 20 or 21 and at the time my highest DHT key was 19.

[meager void]

The perception of experience you can project to a random player who's forming up a group for his key and will probably give you 10-15secs of review before deciding if you worth it or not.

[subtle lagoon]

Got another might trinket I want weapon

[glad plover]

Lets be honest, first you look at the class, then you look at rio score, then you go into more detail, if you rly like initial information, you often wont go into more detail.

Lets say you need Bl and 3100 Shaman signs up for your 22 key. That is pretty much it

[meager void]

yes that's how it is.

but its like complaining that rain is wet.

[desert kite]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-monday-happy-monday-schönen-montag-monday-blessings-monday-morning-gif-8654280806450169395

[eternal sundial]

dancing blades bloodcraze build

[meager void]

dont get me wrong tho, there are factors that actually unjustly skew things, like Augs in S2.

[subtle lagoon]

I don't see why you would vilify someone complaining about something valid though, guy wants to blow steam let him. He's paying every month to be cucked by tinder queue simulator 2023

[meager void]

but we are def not in a place like that atm

[desert kite]

That just how imbeciles are lmao, not too long ago I got personally attacked by multiple ppl myself just because I complained about the exact same shit, in hysterical irony it was in a "community" that's supposed to be the exact opposite of shit like that, so yeah.

[meager void]

because there are factors that actually demand attention. Meta god comps and the like. But complaining about the nature of pugging is just a younger version of "old man yells at cloud"

[desert kite]

It doesn't matter what it is or isn't, it'll never change the fact that it's annoying as fuck, especially over time

[subtle lagoon]

and? Why is it wrong to complain about the nature of pugging?

If it sucks, it sucks. lol.

I might despise rain, I'm going to complain about it being wet

[eternal sundial]

hating on rain is wild

rain is so good bro

[desert kite]

Fuck rain bro

[subtle lagoon]

I don't lol

[desert kite]

Except summer, sometimes

[eternal sundial]

rain is such a vibe

[blissful kestrel]

Rain is bis

[subtle lagoon]

But yeah there could be effort put into fixing pugging by blizzard, because we enjoy the gameplay of combat but we can't enjoy it because we're stonewalled by their balancing

[marsh tulip]

With mirror of fractured tomorrows if better to align it with ava and then extend ava with OF?

[eternal sundial]

i would pop it with reck

which youll pop with of into ava

or with ava right away

[glad plover]

Big issue, and why most people are complaing is the fact that warrior may enter group only in 2 scenarios. Ungodly geared far ahead of the curve(people who get legendary will enter much faster for first few weeks), and very high RIO. Lack of utility, or "preception of our utility" is what is causing this. I would say that doing higher keys and bringing warrior is exceptionally good idea because warriors are very hard to kill, it will make job of a healer a lot easier, but we do not have anything flashy however.

[eternal sundial]

you get to pick shockwave in a less cringe manner this season thankfully

[desert kite]

And also a semblance of intelligence and its usage from the average pugger

[eternal sundial]

if you play bloodcraze and dancing blades you do ungodly st in keys which is very valuable

[marsh tulip]

ill try it that way

[tulip swallow]

It's more than a perception issue, we actually have no game changing utility

Like we have a couple of stops, everybody has stops

[desert kite]

Skill 🫡

If you're good enuff, shits gonna be dead instantly before it can do any damage

But yeah memes aside, I get it

[open igloo]

We got stops and Rally, but the issue is we don't have any way to interact with certain affixs

[tulip swallow]

It doesn't even have to be an affix thing, we can't interact with any dungeon specific mechanics either

No purge, sooth, or dispel of any kind

[desert kite]

Here's an outlandish idea, how about they give a FURY, WARRIOR, the ability to bloodlust

[tulip swallow]

Arcane torrent is one of our best utility buttons

[open igloo]

A bloodlust Banner would be cool

[desert kite]

idk if I am smoking crack but I remember in the past sth about warriors being able to do that, like distant past

[past pivot]

Nope. Never.

[open igloo]

Nah we use to have a banner that gave everyone crit or somethjng

[tulip swallow]

We had a crit damage buff in mop

[desert kite]

Ah ye

Blizz won't even have to give us any way to interact with dungeon mechanics or whatever, just give us bloodlust and it'll probably solve most of these issues lol

[open igloo]

I dont normally have a issue finding keys until Incorpial or afflicted weeks

[tulip swallow]

Those are the main constraint for us right now, yeah

You feel it a little bit on sanguine too

[open igloo]

I just tank on sanguine weeks lol. So hard to find tanks

[spare otter]

pi and aug buffs on me

yeessss

nerf warrior

[desert kite]

dude below you a havoc dh?

[spare otter]

yea

[desert kite]

type in chat "get fucked"

[spare otter]

LOL

i should have haha

[meager void]

you said it right there: the issue is class balancing. Or rather, that's what can be changed/tuned.
The "problem" some of you present about Pick-Up Groups are the same if these where a bunch of basketball courts and you were all standing on the side lines waiting to be "picked".

and my "vilification" of it is that its rather dumb to complain about something like that.

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-gif-12190345

[noble elm]

That’s a lot of big words for this channel

[subtle lagoon]

Invalid comparison, because you can't be buffed/nerfed to be picked in basketball courts whereas blizzard can actually change the way classes are which can allow better pick rates for certain classes. God can't do that shit with you irl. Also you're paying for the game monthly, you're allowed to complain about it.

Like god forbid you enjoy playing survival hunter or any other F tier class that isn't given the light of day by anyone. Why even let something like that go on in the first place?

[willow cradle]

Yall ever heard of joining a guild?

[winged tartan]

^

[brittle crow]

making friends is hard for wow players

[winged tartan]

what are you guys simming in m+ build

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jxvWTeHxF2yjomuGCVv1Zk

heres mine and i think its pretty low

anyone have a tip for what upgrade should i aim as first??

[past pivot]

Hard to tell on a quick sim. Should check enchants, gems, consumables, talents as well.

[molten relic]

180 at 474 but prob just trinket and wep diff ngl

[restive peak]

There will ALWAYS be a best spec mathematically, it also frequently gets decided by synergy and current season dungeon design; your suggestion isn’t realistic. Warriors are NOT WEAK, we are extremely viable and there are many high keys being done with DPS warriors

How do you think shadow priests feel right now? Last season it was all about how unfair the god comp was and now they’re literal dumpster tier.

[winged tartan]

everything is fine maybe except sophic(will swap later for earthen)

[restive peak]

At least we remain middle of the pack with viability, this is a social game, make friends and join a guild and you’ll be shocked by how different it is. Or here’s another idea, run your key and always invite the first 4 role filling applicants with no thought of synergy or buffs or brezes or anything, and see how far you climb.

Because I guarantee every non meta spec crying about the meta fills their group with meta specs as a way to hedge their bets, this is the same thought process the people rejecting you are going through. I have a much higher invite rate when I’m the first DPS applicant vs being the last, because when I’m the last the thought isn’t “oh it’s a warrior BLACK LIST HIM”, it’s ah sadly I need a lust, or we are already melee heavy and need a range etc, and every other melee who apps is therefore getting denied too but you assume it’s because you’re a warrior.

[past pivot]

If everything is fine, why'd you ask? lol The mastery/haste gems are the ones that threw me off some. And the Sophic. Gear-wise, a higher ilvl OH and different trinkets most likely.

[restive peak]

There will always be a meta comp, it doesn’t mean you can’t get invited or climb. And if you’re not getting into 20s every it’s a you thing.

[subtle lagoon]

I personally have little issues with pugging, but at least I can recognise that it is an issue especially with solo players.

You have people in guilds (like myself) who are only good enough for lower keys and aotc, it's a guild I'm in with my cousin and we've been there for years. There are a lot of dynamics that go to play with people who decide to pug. I'd very much prefer going for guild runs believe me.

The only other option is to run your own key, which is true enough and anyone can do that, but in my experience I've typically had a 70%+ failure rate running my own keys.

Anyway, I'm not too fussed about it because I can climb just fine. I just don't like how some people are so up on their high horse that they talk down on others for even daring to think about the whole system not being very fair. I think it's a valid complaint and instead of talking to them like they're r-tards I think it builds better community to be supportive, that's all.

[deep burrow]

Meta isnt everything anyways, so many ppl who dont even know their class play 20-22 keys aswell, bad interrupts etc

[restive peak]

The system cannot be fair by definition due to human beings and how their brains work on social settings; your idea is basically the equivalent of saying “just create a utopia where all things are fair and equal!” Sounds great, it’s also impossible.

And if you’re failing 70% of your pug keys, I’m very sorry, but there’s a common denominator here.

[subtle lagoon]

Not a utopia, but I think it is possible to tip the scales a bit in the favor of players

[subtle lagoon]

Okay.

[restive peak]

Especially below 25s, above that 70% is STANDARD even with premades at this point.

What does that even mean, tip the scales in favor of players? So buff YOUR preferred spec and class? That recreates the issue for a different class/spec, who is also a player.

[subtle lagoon]

No, I'm not just thinking about fury warrior

You mentioned shadow earlier

[restive peak]

I mean I’m sorry if that sounds elitist or something, but it’s simply a fact. Mages are pretty mid this tier, sp is dumpster, bear dropped a lot, h pal outside ellesmere dropped a lot..its the nature of life.

[subtle lagoon]

Why can't they be made to be viable?

[restive peak]

They are viable

They’re not perceived as meta anymore.

This is a social issue, not a blizzard one, and it is not fixable unless they said “every 7th key you run MUST HAVE THIS SPEC”

[subtle lagoon]

I think the percentage difference between what's meta and what isn't is a little too staggering

[restive peak]

And if they did that, people would be mad at that.

The percentage is based on human perception though and rarely balancing issues, it’s also based on synergy and dungeon design.

[subtle lagoon]

At the end of the day it all points to blizzard and as paying customers I think we have the right to talk shit about them every once in a while, lol.

[restive peak]

If they nerf what causes the synergy, they risk completely upending the class or spec into uselessness in order to lower the need for it at the bleeding edge. There is no fixing social issues.

You can talk shit all you want, but no one ever offers a real solution.

Therefore it’s just bitching for the sake of bitching, and finger pointing for the sake of finger pointing.

There are a shitload of DHs stuck at 17s because they’re bad, being a DH didn’t fix that.

[willow cradle]

Sure you can talk shit about blizz but literally you are blaming them when the issue doesn't stem from them. As lincc highlighted its a community perception issue.

[meager void]

tail end of last season, this really hit me hard when I found myself in a pug with ellesmere who was gearing his priest as hpal wasnt vibing at all in 10.2 ptr

[restive peak]

But now he’s hpal and at the bleeding edge again, doesn’t mean hpal will become meta, if anything it’s a highlight of the fact that it’s LITERALLY just a social issue.

[winged tartan]

well if someone acts like a „r-tard” why shouldnt he get the r-tard treatment?

[meager void]

I mean, if that dude was toying with the idea of dropping hpal for priest, you know that these "issues with balancing" have effects all the way to the top

[meager void]

exactly

[winged tartan]

the meta thing is everywhere in gaming since there is NO possibility to get everything evenly balanced especially in such complex game where 1 item can get a spec S+ tier

[restive peak]

The balancing issues ONLY affect the higher of the top, that’s the point.

[ebon shore]

is it the fury bad convo again

[winged tartan]

nah

its people bad convo

[autumn mica]

😮

[winged tartan]

they dont invite me : ((((

[restive peak]

Once leggo is out and we’re fully geared we’re suddenly going to VERY desired, and that’s exactly in like with what Klam just said lol

In line*

[winged tartan]

and that normal that people want to pick the best options they have in key

[ebon shore]

get gud

[winged tartan]

because thats how it works

[tacit crag]

Why

[winged tartan]

not only in gaming but in life lmao

[restive peak]

When I pop my key into LFG you can be damn sure I’m looking for a havoc dh and an Aug man

[lavish grove]

[restive peak]

Because we’re going to do disgusting dmg with it in AOE

[winged tartan]

nooo i play warr and im not overgeared/scored and people dont invite me

[restive peak]

We still won’t be the very upper meta but it’ll certainly be a bump, and we’re already quite strong

[winged tartan]

stop being delusional

[restive peak]

Hahahah

Right

[tacit crag]

Okay but havoc dhs does disgusting damage with no leggo and lower ilvl than us. When we are bis gear so will they.

[restive peak]

There will always be a havoc dh every tier

ALWAYS

[lavish grove]

Does the axe split damage on aoe?

[winged tartan]

and be happy that its not as bad as spriest state

[ebon shore]

why are we complaining about an outlier that blizzard is actively looking into

[tulip swallow]

Somehow dps warrior is never the havoc demon hunter

🤔

[restive peak]

It won’t always be us, welcome to video games and society.

[tacit crag]

Yes but I'm just asking you to explain the copium of leggo will change pugging lol

[restive peak]

We’re also never the feral druid are we?

Because DH is 1 DPS slot and there are 3?

[tacit crag]

Yes.

[restive peak]

That leaves 2 other spots we can overtake with leggo

[tacit crag]

Aug is two spots, assuming they stay where they are.

[restive peak]

And all of this is still solved with make some friends on a social, online game based around social interaction synergizing into gameplay

[lavish grove]

[tacit crag]

So basically your copium is that fury Warrior with bis gear and leggo will be the best DPS past havoc for every dungeon every affix. I dunno man, seems like hope not facts.

[lavish grove]

Overdose

[restive peak]

And who’s the 3rd? It isn’t setin stone yet, but there are a lot of warriors in the top 100 keys as of right now

[lavish grove]

Warlock, enh, rog?

[restive peak]

No, of course it won’t, and I never want it to be, my point is we’re far from the bottom and if you think we’re bottom, you’re bad and playing at the level you belong at, and being a havoc dh wont fix it for you.

[chrome plover]

basically what he's saying is: cry more fury owns

[ebon shore]

based

[tacit crag]

Any dps that is similar to ours and has twice the utility. Mage, enh, rogue, etc.

[restive peak]

Chawie got it

Fuckin chawie I can always rely on ya bud

[tough kite]

I mostly pug but i used my own keys to build

[restive peak]

Go tell me how many of those specs are in the top 100 timed keys vs DPS warrs , please.

[tacit crag]

I enjoy fury. I love playing it and pugging. I'm just arguing that saying "once you get leggo and bis gear, everyone will invite you" is purely illogical

[chrome plover]

everyone invites me already so

i dont see how it'd change

[restive peak]

Well I never said that

[chrome plover]

:)

[restive peak]

So basing your argument on something I don’t say seems a bit stupid, no?

Chawie is the legend

[lament crane]

Ann does anyone not play annihilator?

[molten relic]

They invite me bc I put “big dique dps” in the notes

[fervent turtle]

sup, one question about rota: when i go rampage, BB, slam and then can rampage again, should i do right away or cast another BT first (outside Furious Bloodthirst)

[split coyote]

One good thing about afflicted and incorp is when I'm invited I don't gotta do shit and only worry about 1 affix

[restive peak]

My point is every spec on par with us now will bitch and moan once we’re there that we’re above them and your tune will quickly change to “WARRIORS ARE FINE SURJDJWKE” and that, right there, highlights the social issue.

[tacit crag]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=all:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=25:maxMythicLevel=99 see for yourself

[restive peak]

You want to be #1 always and if you aren’t it’s unfair and when you are others should stop complaining, and that’s that.

[modest condor]

having more gear doesnt suddenly allow us to do the same uncapped aoe as the meta specs

[lavish grove]

Stats from 25+, mobile screenshot

[modest condor]

with the current meta being pulling 15 mobs at a time, a target capped spec just has no place in it

[restive peak]

Now swap it to ONLY DPS

Where are we? Oh right, extremely close to every else lol

[willow cradle]

2 Fury Based AF

[tacit crag]

I don't care to be #1. I am fine with fury Warrior as it stands. I'm only arguing your comment being illogical that leggo + bis gear will make warrior omega god in m+ and everyone will want us.

[molten relic]

The two main fury issues are target cap and low utility

[lavish grove]

It's already dps

[modest condor]

low utility doesnt matter

[restive peak]

I was just told enh was above us, why is it below us?

[modest condor]

what matters is dps, utility can be filled by other people

[restive peak]

Utility isn’t the issue, our target cap is as silm said, but we’re still not bottom tier by any stretch

[tulip swallow]

Utility is absolutely an issue

[tacit crag]

We're only above shaman, dk, and spriest lol. Monk too I forgot

[modest condor]

it may be in your random +23 pug, but it's not at the high end keys

[restive peak]

Also keep in mind nerfs are coming literally Tuesday, and hunters will fall off and already are due to their survivability issues in high keys

[lavish grove]

I was wrong, enh is garbage f tier spec same as dk and monk but don't change subject

[willow cradle]

Only Damage matters at high keys, Utility is a cope, yeah it sucks we gotta talent into it but so what, realistically how often do you use berserker rage in keys?

[restive peak]

Enh is not garbage f tier

[molten relic]

Odd that we are hard capped at 5 when shit like BM has killl cleave which does 80% damage is soft capped at 8

[restive peak]

This is my point, it’s a SOCIAL ISSUE enh is strong as fuck.

[lavish grove]

That's a joke

[tulip swallow]

I mean yeah of course when you build the entire team around a passenger spec you can make something work

[restive peak]

And enh has tons of utility, so there goes the utility argument right out the window.

[modest condor]

yeah that's how building a meta works, glad you figured it out

[restive peak]

There will ALWAYS BE A META

[modest condor]

if something does a lot of dps but has no utility you still take it

because dps times the key

[restive peak]

If they nuke DH and Aug from orbit, there will be a new best 5 by Thursday.

[willow cradle]

Because with certain builds we can dumpster them in aoe still, just look at how strong Fury was in AOE last tier with AM.

[lavish grove]

Wait until we get leggo

[modest condor]

if you have 3 specs, 1 does 130 dps but has no utility, 1 does 100 dps and has decent utility, and 1 does 80 dps but has exactly the utility that spec 1 is lacking

you pick spec 1 and spec 3, not 2x spec 2

[clever path]

i always look at raid logs

im not inviting a dh that is green parsing on heroic

[tacit crag]

I agree until you're talking 0.1%. I think they don't care as much about how much DPS a spec does.

[clever path]

with 3 heroic kills

[restive peak]

If you think you can’t get title because you’re a warrior, you’re just hopeless in conversation. Sorry.

[modest condor]

but you're not talking 0.1%

it's never 0.1% in m+

[restive peak]

The top .1% care about DPS than you should, that’s where this shit matters

[modest condor]

the difference between specs can be enormous

[restive peak]

It means nothing in your weekly 20s

[modest condor]

look at fire mage last season or destro lock in sl

they were dozens of % ahead of the second best

[clever path]

fire mage also had tons of utility and cheat death and is the tankiest range spec

while doing 100k more than everyone else

[restive peak]

But if they didn’t do that DPS the cheat death and utility wouldn’t have mattered at all

That’s his point

[modest condor]

yeah they still have the cheat death and utility right now

[clever path]

ye absolutely

[modest condor]

but i dont see them in the meta

[restive peak]

^

I swear we have this conversation in here 3x a week minimum

[clever path]

yeah its just that on top of having absolutely broken damage they also had utility and survivability is what im trying to say

it just makes it even more ridiculous

im very happy with warrior balancing personally

sure im behind dh bm rogue etc but i dont care

my class is never unaplyable

[modest condor]

but destro lock didnt have that utility

[ebon shore]

cos ppl don't wanna hear the reality they just wanna live in their own delusion that the class is the problem

[eternal sundial]

Reworked classes in DF are wild

[molten relic]

War never bad so I’m happy ngl

[modest condor]

they were tanky, but so is fury

[tulip swallow]

Ok, when do we get to do 20% more damage than anyone else since we have destro lock utility?

Never

[eternal sundial]

Perma stuns from infernal chain kinda

[clever path]

ye im saying that fire mage on top of dmg had utility. you still wouldve taken a fire mage regardless of utility due to damage

[shy knot]

Warrior had that moment in ToS

Never since

[clever path]

👴

[glad coyote]

whats the issue?

[tacit crag]

I don't have the delusion. The argument started because the guy said leggo + bis gear will make fury Warrior immediately part of the god comp. I said that makes no sense, spawning this lol

[shy knot]

Now we get nerfed in prepatch

[clever path]

i mean by the time you get bis gear havoc might get gunned down by blizz

same with rogues

[willow cradle]

Leggo is hella good tho, especially if you pull around it.

[modest condor]

it's not

[ebon shore]

not specifically talking about u but every time u open this discord it's just fury bad in keys that's pretty much the only thing that's being talked about here

[glad coyote]

yeah but you want util also

[restive peak]

Middle of the pack and viable is definitely the best place to be

[glad coyote]

which fury doesnt have

[tacit crag]

True, but that doesn't mean we fill the spot a high utility spec like havoc does cause we do dam

[modest condor]

it's just a glorifed beacon

[clever path]

idk fury has utility

[modest condor]

it's good but far from meta defining

[eternal sundial]

Pulling around a 2 minutes damage spike seems stupid

[restive peak]

You don’t need 5 high utility specs man

[clever path]

3 aoe stops if tauren 1 st stop rally bshout

[glad coyote]

you don't but in MDI its nice to have

[clever path]

i wouldnt call that no utility

[tacit crag]

"fury has utility" until it's afflicted or incorporal weeks haba

[glad coyote]

rally is useless in m+

[modest condor]

it's not

[restive peak]

Fuck MDI, the MDI is pointless and dumb

[clever path]

???

[shy knot]

Fury role was big dam cds every pack

[clever path]

how is it useless

[glad coyote]

aug has double rally and its better

boom

[modest condor]

and?

[clever path]

ok and?

[tulip swallow]

Rally is slightly better than fort/aug buff with an uptime of 10 seconds every 3 minutes

[restive peak]

Rally is extremely useful, this further highlights that it’s a skill issue and looking for an excuse

[glad coyote]

fury wont be meta as much as we all want it

[tulip swallow]

And strictly worse than mage mass barrier

[modest condor]

again, and?

how does that make it useless?

[willow cradle]

for pugs yeah, but for high push keys why wouldn't you, you already plan keys in advance, might as well account for it too.

[shy knot]

Idk why it needed nerf

[clever path]

rally saved so many keys in my lifetime its beyond measure

[modest condor]

it didnt

[restive peak]

You don’t want to be meta, you need a guild or friends, because again this game is built around that.

[clever path]

all group wide defensives got nerfed

[modest condor]

in raid*

[clever frost]

Re sim done. Current gear is top still, double wafting and vers gems and enchants.

[glad coyote]

before nerf yeah it was good, but not its not worth to take imo

[modest condor]

half of them still have their full value in m+

[clever path]

also true ^

[tacit crag]

Rally should have a talent to make it a 1min CD but only for party members. That'd be neat

[restive peak]

LOL if you aren’t taking rally you’re a fuckin troll brother

I would like to see rally get the darkness treatment, but again still wouldn’t be meta defining

[clever path]

nah they should let warriors get 946 mainhand weapon through a unique questline to deal 19 bazillion damage

[molten relic]

Leggo should just summon fyrakk for two minutes to spam frontals that do 1million

[ebon shore]

they'd still complain cos no utility

[clever path]

real

[willow cradle]

Yeah, I think the Darkness treatment is the good way to balance raid abilities in 5 man group generally.

[restive peak]

QOL stuff is always nice

But really, we’re in a very good spot this tier

[atomic nymph]

I don't see how legendary is considered a "Damage spike", have you found something?

[clear light]

am i simming this right?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8yaxdApQJsMHhy1XPTvtVz

[agile tiger]

You mean aside from its higher ilvl and unique on use?

[clever path]

it really isnt idk what is he talking about

[clever path]

unique on use is split damage

[atomic nymph]

Higher ilvl doesn't equal a "Damage spike", it's just a bit more overall.

Unique on use doesn't do much dmg

[tulip swallow]

split damage

[willow cradle]

it has an on use???

[clever path]

what is supposed to be wrong?

[willow cradle]

The dot application too

[clever path]

its a dot not a damage spike

[clever path]

damage spike would be an onuse that did like 1 mil not split

[vague thorn]

Atal dazar trinket doesn't exist ?

[tulip swallow]

if we could wear a 500 ilvl gavel we would be wearing that

[atomic nymph]

The on use doesn't do a lot of damage. It's generally a dps loss single target, and usually even in big cleave, it's less output than your normal rotation and very unreliable to hit multiple targets with

[clever path]

483 gavel would be bis with good rolls

guaranteed

maybe not better than leggo

16 is too much for weapondps

13*

[lavish grove]

Does it split past n targets or right away?

[willow cradle]

a 25k dot on a pack of 10 mobs is effectively a 250k overall increase

[restive peak]

The dot is still a decent amount of dmg in a long pull

The leggo is not bad, let’s not start that bs

[atomic nymph]

Initial charge / cleave portion isn't split damage, but it does 40-50k per hit and has a rather small area of effect.

Final hit only hits main target

[lavish grove]

Doesn't help

[lavish grove]

Thx

[clever path]

cant know dont have it

[atomic nymph]

Dot is not 25k, like I'm literally using it. Dot generally equals to 2-3% of overall damage.

I'm not saying it's bad, i was just confused by you refering to it as a damage spike

[clever path]

i expected it to be like 5-6% not 2-3

[modest condor]

the total damage of the on use and dot combined is something like 5-6%

but you're losing casts by channeling

[clever path]

[tulip swallow]

I would say weapon balanced around blood dk but you can't even do your rotation while it's up

[clever path]

you can parry

at least

imagine bdk casting it

and he cant death strike

[lavish grove]

Yea, on-use channel is kinda lame

[willow cradle]

I did not say it was 25k per second, its not, its 25k for full duration and in high m+ where stuff lives a while that dot will mostly tick all the way.

[atomic nymph]

Here's all effects combined from a 23 darkheart. Need to keep in mind that me pressing active loses me other casts as well

[clever path]

[lavish grove]

[tulip swallow]

Surely they buff it

[winged tartan]

who cares about onuse

its passive dmg

• high ilvl

enough for me

[leaden bolt]

Guys, is odyn's amped by the enrage it triggers itself?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[atomic nymph]

Broken up into all parts, Mark is dot, Rage is intital cleaves/aoe, explosive rage is final hit

[olive wraith]

That’s only for titanic rage though. DB doesn’t enrage you

[leaden bolt]

So recklessness + charge into odyn's is always the way, yeah?

[leaden bolt]

Ty!

[clever path]

with titanic rage yes

[warm crag]

dont need to reck charge with titanic rage i think

[clever path]

ye

increased crit chance might be worth it

[warm crag]

just reck once you arrive

[clever path]

ye

[leaden bolt]

So rather with odyn then

Alright thanks

[olive wraith]

Rek charge is more for rage gen

[clever path]

if you need to enrage first it guarantees enough rage for rampage

[low folio]

i did an everbloom with a bm hunter and i was wondering. is killcleave/beast cleave uncapped aoe?

[olive wraith]

I think beast cleave is

Was your Hunter ending pulls with 2m dps?

[low folio]

he was definitely crushing

crazy to me that theres still a class with a spammable uncapped aoe attack

woulda thought blizzard murdered all those

[molten relic]

Yes

Soft capped at 8 on kill cleave and 5 on beast cleave

[tacit crag]

They leave it on classes that are struggling. Bm was ass in m+ before they omega buffed them.

Even though they had uncapped AOE the whole time

[restive peak]

That’s still fairly good, comparing it to my 25 logs means it’s our melee across the entire dungeon…imagine if blizz put out a post saying “fury warrior melee damage increased by 100%”. That’s right in line with leggo strength

[lavish grove]

Yes

[atomic nymph]

Yeah, I'm by no means saying it's bad or that mark isnt doing work. It was the discussion about pulling around a "2 min damage spike" from legendary that made me confused.

[restive peak]

Oh definitely won’t be pulling around it lol

I’d say the biggest “hold it” would be something like the AOE phase of P2 DHT boss etc, but that’s on us to plan for lol

[willow cradle]

I mean why wouldn't a tank account for it in high push groups, you already pre plan everything at that level, it would be the same.

[atomic nymph]

Because you'll generally struggle to find a situation where pressing legendary will both benefit you damage-wise as well as not grief the pull

[fading sky]

Ye ngl on use seems risky

Esp as dk tank??3 sec locked gcd

😅

[restive peak]

The freezing in place for 3s is definitely not going to allow for static decision making

Like you literally can’t use it on final DHT boss in p2, for example

[lavish grove]

Let's just stay here for 3s being locked in animation, what could go wrong

[fading sky]

Ye

😅😆

[restive peak]

You could get spawned on as you press it, aoe drops, you die

[willow cradle]

Bruh

[fading sky]

But its made for packs

[willow cradle]

yall understand that if something can kill you you can simply not press it

[restive peak]

I mean it’s split dmg so it’s made for both ST and AOE

[fading sky]

Weell

[restive peak]

Of course, that’s the point; you can’t plan around it as a group because it’s not static

“We use mass barrier here” is static

“We use leggo here” cannot be static, as pulls change which mechanics target who etc

[willow cradle]

You can plan around using it on X pack because X pack does not have any mechanic that can kill you if you do.

[restive peak]

How many of those are exist at say…+28 though? I know what you’re saying, but it’s highly unlikely it’ll be enough of a difference maker to plan heavily around.

I also assume the 3s and damage is set in stone and not affected by haste?

[atomic nymph]

I mean active is 800k dmg over 3s, on most packs your regular rotation does more damage without the downside of a 3s self stun

[willow cradle]

Just off the top of my head

[restive peak]

There are not going to be static, nothing kills your pulls every 2-3mins

There will be a few pulls scattered where that’s a viable option, not enough to plan around.

[quiet geyser]

@restive peak everytime i come in here, you're arguing with some new artard

[restive peak]

Hahahaha

[willow cradle]

the fist pull on Everbloom with the dread petals

like what in there will realistically kill you

[restive peak]

Only my assessment showed this AM bruh, just unlocking lockers and makin sure the building doesn’t burn down 😛

[willow cradle]

Unless its a full melee group the berserker wont jump on you

[restive peak]

Ok, so for 1 pull at dungeon start it can be “planned around”. It’s also A. The first pull, so you’d use it anyway and B. Not hasted so if you lust, you’d lose damage by using it lol

[atomic nymph]

Well, your legendary will rarely hit more than 3-4 targets in that pull, esp if stuff is moving, and it's the first pull of the dungeon so your regular rotation with CD's is WAY more damage.

[restive peak]

The on use is fairly dogshit, but it’s still a strong leggo

IF it weren’t split, it would be pulled around

But it splits so in the 3s you’d get, WW’d before, rampage BB rampage BB due to lust, which is more damage to 5 targets than the split 3s.

[willow cradle]

As I said off the top of my head but then you'd also get it for the other dread petal pack before boss, and also all the casters before Wither bark

[atomic nymph]

Yeah, like use can be good, but only situation i see it manageable is having a pocket VDH with chains into shockwave - legendary

[willow cradle]

Like you account for it, nothing too wild here

[restive peak]

But you’re just furthering my argument, it’s useful but not always and not statically. It isn’t shit but it’s certainly not enough to plan around it, and the way you just said it proves that’s just standard route usage

[atomic nymph]

and pull probably has to be ~8+ targets for marks consumed to boost the damage enough to surpass your regular output

[restive peak]

We will absolutely use it, it just isn’t route changing or timing changing

[atomic nymph]

But it has some neat uses as well, like ignoring volcanics/knockbacks, as long as the thing wont kill you

[desert kite]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

[restive peak]

Pop all defensives on 1st boss TOTT and eat the geyser like a man

[desert kite]

TL;DR

[restive peak]

IM CHANNELIN BOIS FIGURE IT OUT

[tacit canopy]

draught of souls vibes

[atomic nymph]

In premade groups I have gotten used to calling out "I'm pressing axe" just so the group knows I've lost my hands for the next 3-4 sec

[restive jungle]

Timed a 22 throne 🙌🏽

[restive peak]

I plan to attach an “IM BLASTING AND VULNERABLE BOIS” macro to it

[restive peak]

Ehhhhhhhhh

[atomic nymph]

"I'm submissive and breedable" might be added to mine

[restive peak]

That’s hot

[lavish grove]

Yea, got same vibes

[lavish grove]

Tott is pretty good this week, gz

[restive jungle]

Yea it was nice run

[noble elm]

Tott is the most troll dungeon. You can have a stellar run then get to the end and all the dps lose brain function for the ink

[spare otter]

Not my problem

I only kill

Throw out a rally

And call it a day

Realiatically

When you would you use the legendary active?

On ST would you just do your normal opener and when you've finished with your empowered BBs then throw out the on use?

[atomic nymph]

Generally, ST feels bad, only place I really press it is to replace a filler slam or smth, but that's mostly just for the "fun" of it. Sims use it on pull which is pretty sus to me

[restive peak]

Give it a few weeks, someone will figure the math out

[charred panther]

If it’s not affected by any cd, on pull seems like the way. Launch it/charge/normal stuff

[spare otter]

Oh avatar doesn't buff it?

Cringe

[atomic nymph]

Well if you're gonna use it on pull, you don't get the rage from charge, as it will put you in melee.

Axe use feels unaffected by any modifiers, like most on-use damage trinkets

[spare otter]

Guess charge first then spam it during charge

[charred panther]

It puts you in melee on use? Then yea, charge first

[atomic nymph]

https://gyazo.com/f9aa62a5cc12adc169b153bc045e6747
Scuffed, but ye, this is what pressing axe looks like

[lavish grove]

Can you /cancelaura the channel?

[spare otter]

That looks so bad 💀

[atomic nymph]

using axe does not give you any visible aura, doubt it's cancellable unless there's some hidden aura you can cancel

[lavish grove]

So clunky

[noble elm]

Seems nice for ret

Or blood lul

“Free charge”

[soft otter]

What's the website where you can see when top players use their abilities?

[neon stream]

Just got a Might of the Ocean. It should be better than Branch of Tormented Ancient at same ilvl right? Branch is simming slightly higher in most cases, but I suspect it would be different in a real scenario. What do u think?

[tepid scroll]

If using the talent where OF gives enrage do you want to enrage initially before pressing it on opener?

[oblique trail]

You don't need to, no

The enrage buffs OF itself

[tepid scroll]

Or is it more just Trinket -> Reck -> OF -> Thuderous Roar -> Rampage -> BT -> Rampage -> BT -> Avatar into general rotation

[oblique trail]

You can do it like that yes, although you might run into the last BT not being buffed by Avatar if you wait that long with casting it

If you're tracking Avatar, just hardcast Avatar as the one from your OF is about to run out

[burnt drum]

anyone mayhaps have a weak aura for that 👀

[tepid scroll]

Once you are rolling then its just CDS as they come up? @oblique trail

[oblique trail]

If you mean mid pull then yeah basically

If you have everything but OF ready mid pull, then it's just Reck -> Avatar -> Roar

[errant vessel]

Do you guys know what the difference between sending OF+Avatar at the same time and delaying Avatar is?

[oblique trail]

Nop, apparently you can't reliably sim it because OF and Avatar OF is coded as separate dots from what I understood

Idk if it's fixed or when it'll be fixed or looked at

[warm crag]

biggest problem is overwriting the OF bleed afaik

[tepid scroll]

Another question for ST opener how are you getting enraged asap? Reck, charge, rampage?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[tepid scroll]

is reck charge always enough for the insta rampage?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[tepid scroll]

Wocled

wicked

[oblique trail]

Reckless Abandon gives you 50 rage, and Reck doubles the rage from charge from 20 to 40

[tepid scroll]

So it becomes Reck -> Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> TR -> BT -> Rampage -> AVA

[fading sky]

Math says 90

[oblique trail]

In raid though you just gotta be careful not to prepull since you'll lose all the rage and go down to 20

[oblique trail]

TR or Spear yeah, and Avatar roughly 3-4~ seconds after OF whenever that'll be

It floats a bit depending on whether you're in lust or not

[tepid scroll]

I just hate spear because if boss moves its joever

[oblique trail]

In M+ you'd just use roar

And in raid the bosses you use spear on it's no issue

[fading sky]

Agreed

[plush ice]

I know this is the wrong chat, but FSU got robbed

[oblique trail]

Idk what that is but sorry to hear

[warm crag]

sorry or glad to hear that

[winged tartan]

how do i know if might > branch

is it just set to be better regardless of sim?

[oblique trail]

Might will always be up for each CD window, and buffs all of your damage

Where branch is just an on-use damage trinket but on a 1 minute longer CD, however isn't reliant on you having CDs or not

Personally I'd just recommend going Might if you have the option over branch

[deep burrow]

No Odyns fury for ST raid spec?

[oblique trail]

Yeah?

What build are you looking at that doesn't have it

[deep burrow]

the ST raid spec on Wowhead?

[oblique trail]

Are you copying the T30 or T31 talent setup

The T30 will not have OF, all of the T31 will

[deep burrow]

oh my bad, the T30 xD

i was so confused

So MT and ST have same talents?

[oblique trail]

Mostly yes, there are very few changes to go between ST and AoE for Fury

[deep burrow]

Hmm, the guide has the same talents for MT and ST

T31

(raid)

[oblique trail]

At most you'd swap between Massacre and Ashen Juggernaut for WW talents

And between Roar and Spear depending on the fight

Looking at the talent setups on the Wowhead guide, those are the only changes, and the AoE Raid setup using Titanic instead of Dancing Blades

I'd personally recommend Dancing Blades for every fight, except if you're on Igira for example and the Spears aren't dying quick enough and you have to burst them asap

[deep burrow]

alright, always played arms for raid but doing fury tonight

thanks for the tips!

Is TR better than spear on Smolderon?

[olive wraith]

Honestly I’m leaning more towards fuck spear

Roar is just so much easier

Technically spear is ahead by a little

[oblique trail]

Spear is better on Smolderon yes

[jovial coral]

I have both tbh

[olive wraith]

Why do you need t30 talents with t31 set?

[oblique trail]

You can place Spear on the gap between rings, and you can stand in it regardless of where the flame ring would be placed

[deep burrow]

Alrighty

[oblique trail]

I will chokehold grapple you

Smolderon is also an exception with the opener, where you'd want to use all of your CDs condensed on pull instead of spacing them out

So they align with getting the damage buffs in intermission

[clear thicket]

So if you're at the start of a, let's say, bossfight

and you're in lust

you pop avator or not?

after OF

[oblique trail]

yes

The opener does not change depending on you being in lust or not

[clear thicket]

and midfight?

[oblique trail]

Midfight it depends on whether or not you have OF ready for the rest of your CDs or not

If you have OF ready, use your CDs the same as you would on pull. If you don't have OF ready, you Reck -> Avatar -> Spear/Roar

[clear thicket]

ah

I recked > BB > avatar > roar

wups

[idle silo]

im just so happy we all have of

[gusty cloak]

would you guys use 2piece and 2 piece?

[winged tartan]

in m+ no

[runic pine]

blademaster beads are the best thing they've added to the trading post, can't change my mind

[glacial haven]

Worth macroing avatar and spear for raid?

[willow cradle]

together?

No not really

You want to press Spear right after your first OF and then want the OF bleed to be at less then 20% of its total duration before casting Avatar.

[muted pecan]

in m+, do you have same problem like me, in middle of dung my cds are fucked up, like i have reckleness + TR up but my avatar is on 40-45s cd (i use it after odyn's fury dot expires)

[restive peak]

That should quite literally never be possible

You're pressing your buttons wrong

They have the same CD

[eternal sundial]

Considering it's a dps loss to do so

Nah

Youd overwrite some of ur OF Avatar

[clever path]

do we run 2x sf or allied and sf?

[willow cradle]

no reason for Avatar to be 40 seconds behind if it was pressed a couple seconds after Of if you had pressed Reck before it

[willow cradle]

Depends, 2x SF is better in ST but Sf wrist is better in AOE

[restive peak]

I'm running 1 SF + allied

[oblique trail]

The difference is incredibly minimal

And honestly

[restive peak]

Neglibile ST diff, better survivability, better AOE

[oblique trail]

Shadowflame does so little damage that 2x Shadowflame imo is just a bit of a bait

At the very least for anything outside of ST

[willow cradle]

^ This

[clever path]

so i have my wrist crafted for shadowflame

[misty helm]

Hey I have a question about trinkets which ones should I be using for MT
Might of the Ocean
Mirror
Sandglass
Rezans Gleaming eye

[clever path]

whatshould i put allied on?

[subtle lagoon]

I'm using allied and haste legs

[oblique trail]

Assuming all of equal ilvl, I'd recommend Might + Sandglass or Rezans for more prio/boss damage

[oblique trail]

You can only make it be on the wrist slot

It's these wrists

[clever path]

oof, so second craft would have to be sf cloak?

[oblique trail]

It's what I and a lot of other people have, and generally it'll be the best slot

Since the effect itself doesn't care what slot it's on, you'd ideally place it on the slot with the lowest stat budget

[ebon shore]

pretty sure double shadowflame is better again

[oblique trail]

It's very marginally better for pure ST

[clever path]

well, i already have sf wrist, so i think second has to be sf cloak, until i can make allied wrists again

[muted pecan]

yes but if i press reck>charge>of>TR>bb>ramp>bb>rampg>avatar my cds are starting to fk up

[oblique trail]

How so?

Avatar, Reck and Roar will all have the same CD

And if you're at the end of a pack, just don't send your CDs so they're wasted, and you wont find yourself in a situation where you're suddenly holding Avatar

The only ability that floats is OF depending on your BT crits

[muted pecan]

i dont understand, so in m+ do we play reck>charge>of + macro avatar+TR ?

[oblique trail]

no

No one implied we macro anything together

You reck + charge if you're playing Dancing Blades for instant access to rampage to enrage

If you got Titanic Rage, it's not necessary to reck + charge but you can still do it

[warm crag]

stop flexing with ur mythic crafted socketed bracers bitchus

[oblique trail]

Flexing that I had to pick socket 2nd week of the season!!

[muted pecan]

im not running high keys(18-20), so if pack dies before i use avatar (first Reck>Charge>OF>TR>etc... > avatar) or just (Reck>OF>TR>Ramp>BB>Ramp>BB>Ramp) im using it on next pack

[oblique trail]

Idk how your packs are dying so quickly that you can't even get Avatar out

Unless you're playing with 2 Havoc DHs or similar

[muted pecan]

sometimes 1 dh, bm hunter, or outlaw rouge, im just pugging

[oblique trail]

I've pugged plenty in all three weeks so far, and I've never been not able to get my full CD rotation out before a pack dies

And have played with good DHs and rogues, and it not be an issue either

[muted pecan]

I also mean im not using avatar if 4 mobs have e.g 1mln hp - it just feels waste for me, so mby thats why my cds are fucked up later

[oblique trail]

If you're massively desyncing your CDs you either completely hold your CDs for that pack or send it and carry some of it over to the next pack

Because holding/desyncing is usually way worse because you can quickly lose casts throughout the dungeon doing so

If you also know a pack will die very quickly regardless of you popping CDs or not, it's fine just sending OF on its own and hold your 1:30 CDs for the next pack if it'll be noticeably harder/more drawn out

[warm crag]

how are you descyncing reck and avatar though thats the part im most confused abt

even if you dont press cds when adds are dying you still press them within 2s of each other and there is literally no pack in the game that dies that quickly

[muted pecan]

idk, how to check that in logs to provide something useful

[clever belfry]

@warm crag balls

[oblique trail]

@clever belfryballs

owo

[clever belfry]

uwu

meow meow

[oblique trail]

omg shodh so powerful

[shy knot]

How do you not desync them

[warm crag]

brown man not even on the meters

[clever belfry]

ure under

owly boy

lmoaoaooaoa

[shy knot]

Youre supposed to press OF before avatar right

[clever belfry]

yes

[oblique trail]

Yes

[clever belfry]

3 globals

xd

?

[oblique trail]

But you don't desync them by 45 seconds

[shy knot]

To not lose cd reduction

Oh yeah ofc

At that point you fucked up

[warm crag]

imagine holding ur offensive cd for 51 seconds :D

[oblique trail]

!!!

love warrior moment on tindral swift!!

[clever belfry]

:D

i just send :D

dont care :D

[warm crag]

anda komm hbf

[clever belfry]

u know

[oblique trail]

Spongiewarrior powerful vulpera individual

[warm crag]

schneeballschlacht

[clever belfry]

i will be hbf

[oblique trail]

Press your buttons on the first root

I dare you

[clever belfry]

next saturday

morning

[warm crag]

i will pelt ur train with schneeball

[clever belfry]

anda spongie skyhold meetup

4:30am cologne hbf

[oblique trail]

can I come germany meetup

[warm crag]

i will not be meeting up with any skyhold creatures

[oblique trail]

FUCK

[warm crag]

you are not a skyhold creature

[warm crag]

we need a roidstack roninx meetup

[oblique trail]

I'm simply just a creature

[oblique trail]

if this'd happen the universe would implode

[warm crag]

i wonder if ronin x is still doing top log analysis

[oblique trail]

Imagine if ronin met roks

man he missed out

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789342812507471872/1180938928820338769/dratty.png?ex=657f3e15&is=656cc915&hm=9bb0fca5a1644a1aa2b802c2459bc2502ca9a2c60d325de273a2b5e27bb45048&

@clever belfry

[clever belfry]

real

[oblique trail]

[modest condor]

[rotund steppe]

[fading bane]

oh yes

we are upgood

[chrome plover]

whats upgood

[fading bane]

me

[chrome plover]

gz man

[fading bane]

zenith shoulders and signet from smold

[chrome plover]

I just want it to die

[oblique trail]

Spoonfed half the loot in the raid

smh

[fading bane]

imagne

i had a 489 wep

[fading bane]

i was like the last guy without the trinket

[oblique trail]

I'll trade it for the augury

[stiff furnace]

What does Fury's opener look like with T31 set? Can't get a definitive answer.

[shy knot]

Man bis-ed out like a mf looking goofy as hell lmaoo

[fading bane]

no mog prog

[shy knot]

Burger king head

[fading bane]

burger king head with a socket

[oblique trail]

Twinsies

[shy knot]

The logs you coud get with the 10% mog increase to dps

[restive peak]

Deattu busted big time jelly as fuuuuck

[forest owl]

do we know of anyone whose actually got the axe yet other than meeres?

[keen kindle]

I think Sco got it on liquid's kill, idk if I actually remeber it thou

[restive peak]

Scott

Sco is Method LOL

[keen kindle]

LOOK

I HAVE THE MEMORY OF A GOLDFISH

[restive peak]

Lmfaooooo

Method didn't get 1

They got megafucked by being World 3rd LOL

[keen kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742140766499111013/1180786875515031583/image.png?ex=657eb079&is=656c3b79&hm=cfc73ec3f23a004af3091c9144c70296e3f0ba110b5a11403a780bd9d8ca6bae& This happened yesterday

[fallow adder]

real !

Well personally I am really excited to become with legendary in M+

[wild mural]

we're gaming out here

Im never playing that boss agin

[keen kindle]

Pretty valid

Council is just a trash fight

As per usual

[unreal onyx]

3.4% nymue wipe

[flat river]

@wild mural

UwU

[flat river]

[wild mural]

we're doing our first pulls atm

[unreal onyx]

1.9% nymue wipe

ty enrage bc locks and boomies don't have eyes

[wild mural]

easy or hard boss?

[warm crag]

u can enrage that boss???

[unreal onyx]

at 7:54 yes

[unreal onyx]

annoying

easy in theory

[warm crag]

Huh

boss is piss easy

[molten relic]

yes theres a few in here

[warm crag]

melee just payphone soak circles ranged gotta eat grass

[unreal onyx]

I wouldn't call it piss easy

especially since we are no hardcore raiding guild

[warm crag]

i mean theres genuinely no strategy difficulty its literally just personal responsibility

[wild mural]

yeah this seems relatively simple

[forest owl]

dh's must have fun on nymue xD

that or my guilds dh is just bad, he gets wrecked by beams

[wild mural]

Its just annoying someitmes I cant hit hte boss while soaking red

adn we're quite low on melee players

[forest owl]

yeah that i will agree on, you have to be really on the edge of the red circle sometimes

[warm crag]

y not

if a line goes thru it just sidestep it you have more than enough time to do that

[oblique trail]

Or reroll human and don't care about getting stunned

[forest owl]

well i also find that i am out of melee range at times soaking red circles and have to stand on the absolute edge to remain in range

[fallow adder]

human bis racial nodders

[wild mural]

cause im a fucking dumbass

[warm crag]

noobre

[young swan]

french moment

[covert blaze]

cant you jump those

[summer quail]

pretty sure they can jump those

[wild mural]

pull 5

[warm crag]

noob

[wild mural]

i am

[wild mural]

i am

shoulda never rerolled off vulp wtf

[warm crag]

really need nose for trouble

[covert blaze]

find god

[warm crag]

why did you reroll?? huh??

[forest owl]

dunno i'd need to ask him if he knows xD

[wild mural]

woulda savewd me

[warm crag]

real asf

get me out of here

[rocky geyser]

when do u guys cd on smolderon HC?

[restive peak]

We should be there tm Spongie and I'm terrified

[oblique trail]

Dangerous creature running you down NOW

[warm crag]

its totally fine

[warm crag]

FUCK!

just tryhard dodging circles

[wild mural]

RUN

[restive peak]

I just expect a fuckton of people missing their seeds

And going full pre school BUT HE TOOK MY SEED D:

[warm crag]

i mean u gotta get thru p1 first

[restive peak]

xD

[forest owl]

most of top logs i see sends cds on pull

[warm crag]

you can probably use the mythic timers for hc

[wild mural]

save me

[rocky geyser]

its so awkward with orb dmg

orbs buff goes out, and my cd's are back

[oblique trail]

you are stuck in hell forever

[fallow adder]

been in throne of the tides so many times now that im starting to like the way the gushing of wind sounds like when you're waiting in the room to put in your key

it has a melody to it

soothing wind

[warm crag]

you need god

[fallow adder]

i need loot

[unreal onyx]

ashkandur gaming

just like me

[plucky ice]

augur to mage whos like 13th always on dps, kekd

vault is only hope

[warm crag]

augur to mage is a gquit angle i think

[plucky ice]

yep

[warm crag]

go on then

[plucky ice]

it was only normal tho

[wild mural]

[warm crag]

still trolling

[plucky ice]

hc, id be mad

[young swan]

le broken dragon sword

[fading bane]

trinket check

cant really test signet brand dmg on tindral tho

insane boss

[clever path]

😦

https://i.imgur.com/Vl5bmLs.png

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/JVTkf/e736fdf0aa.png

(:

[warm crag]

peeping at you

@oblique trail

[tardy lark]

200 twsift pulls in and im getting real tired of seeds

[fading bane]

im surprised they didnt nerf yet

[oblique trail]

👁️

[fading bane]

its 100% nerfed for reset tho

[tardy lark]

yea

no clue if they identify the right thing to nerf tho xd

[wild mural]

[warm crag]

i hope they dont nerf on reset and just nerf rogues and dhs and this fight becomes unplayable

[unreal onyx]

ashkandur 0.9% on nymue

huge

[unreal onyx]

where 483 eye

[wild mural]

up the bosses butt

i haven't farmed AD

and I dont intend to

[slim coral]

Twins Pog

[slim coral]

I’m enjoying it

[tardy lark]

im enjoying the rest of the boss

but the seed isnta wipe shit is getting real old now when we actually just need p3 progress

[wild mural]

lmao

[slim coral]

Atleast the wipes and pulls are quick

You can just instant release which is nice for once

[spare otter]

when do we get a cata charge per week?

[warm crag]

noob

shit

[fallow adder]

grean means good

[unreal onyx]

nymue dead

I died in killtry

[warm crag]

gamer

[unreal onyx]

huge

I died twice even

[warm crag]

dayum

[clever path]

how do we get the 4th half spark?

[wild mural]

stop calling me noober

im gonna cry

[chrome plover]

all catchup sparks come from any current content, raid/m+ at any level

then the last half comes from the weekly rep quest in emerald dream

we have 2.5 sparks rn

[warm crag]

sorry you are not the noob

[oblique trail]

NOOB

[winged tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5u3adjHEsnCDjSdy8sDJL

i dont understand