fury

[dense elbow]

Power of Rally

tho I would say darkness does a better job at it

[rocky geyser]

yh but i didnt get saved by it :p

[covert void]

Ive stopped comparing myself to a dh anyways theyre just broken

[dense elbow]

Lets compare ourselves to arms warriors

[rocky geyser]

or dps monks

[dense elbow]

dps what?

[covert void]

its nice when you get in a 'normal' group and everyones doing pretty well, equally

xD

and you're like oh, yeh, we're okay.

[rocky geyser]

i have started accepting im lowest dps in my keys. But im having a blast with tierset gameplay

[covert void]

when you're constantly with dhs and bms it can be a bit deceiving

or some locks now ofc

plus, when we get leggo...

[rocky geyser]

about legendary. Are any kind of drop chances or effects from pity items known?

i couldnt find it earlier

[wooden lagoon]

Lego is kinda underwhelming it seems

3% gain ish for fur acorroding to sim seems week lol for Lego

[primal siren]

is fury weak?

[left perch]

No

[clever belfry]

Yes reroll immediately

[left perch]

anda ???

[clever belfry]

[left perch]

[past pivot]

More like 5%+ for St and 5-10%+ for Mt, with tuning possible and likely

[tardy lark]

fury terribad

[wooden lagoon]

My sim showed it was about 3% st unless it's not updated in raidbots properly

It's still obviously nice lol

But jailer weapon was more lol and not legendary

[past pivot]

Or simmed properly. We'll have to see. It's not the greatest ever but I'll still take it

[dapper jacinth]

🐒

[wooden lagoon]

I mean even just ilvl is nice lol

[fair oasis]

so if fury and arms do seem to be performing similarly. Why is fury completely taking over the raid parses for all fights? even st centric like volcoross?

[noble elm]

Because it’s durable

That’s my guess

[fair oasis]

newish to war, what makes fury mroe durable

[past pivot]

Tankier. Sexier.

[noble elm]

Fury has a lot of leech through gushing + talents, and enraged regen is a solid defensive cd

[fair oasis]

fury also jsut has better on demand aoe for intermitten aoe moments like gnarlroot and igira spears ya? or no

[wooden lagoon]

Also even when fury is worse than arms by a descent margin u have more people playing fury lol

[past pivot]

On average, fury has been the better choice in M+ recently so many players have naturally gone that route. Often it's Arms early on then Fury once gear catches up. But in reality, you can play eother spec for raid and M+ and do well. Play what you like.

[clever path]

And fury uses 2 x2H

2>1

[wooden lagoon]

But it's prob def survival that's why I'm playing fury. I did notice when I sim Lego I got a bigger gain for arms than fury that might make a diff

[clever belfry]

c6 furryna

[delicate glade]

Which one should i use?

[iron portal]

Wouldnt sim answer that question better for you?

[past pivot]

That's a sim question.

[noble elm]

Spend like 30 stones and upgrade the socketed one?

[fast osprey]

Given they're the same ring, I'm assuming you'll upgrade them so the one with socket will give more stats

[dapper jacinth]

anime D:

[noble elm]

Feel like this is a non question lol

[clever belfry]

its not an anime bro..

[fast osprey]

So just decide if you value some damage reduction or like 100 secondary stats more

[clever belfry]

i dotn watch any of those...

[dapper jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/do-sogl-pon-gif-27684327

[clever belfry]

ok i dont speak suka

[dapper jacinth]

translate yesyesyes agree agree sure sure

[clever belfry]

ok cool

[dapper jacinth]

when keys?

[dense elbow]

It happened

guess I am dooming too now

[clever belfry]

i play tomorrow

13-18

with sjejejejejjeele

[keen kindle]

just upgrade the one with the socket and use it

[dapper jacinth]

n didnt ask me

[clever belfry]

i was asked okay

[eternal sundial]

no lol

socket does dam avoid doesnt

[marble schooner]

good riddance

[past pivot]

Sockets don't add that much these days. Avoidance for prog could help. Save socket for later could be a play.

[eternal sundial]

????

its 500 dps still

you take those

[past pivot]

It's that much? I've not seen a socket give that that much. N/m then

[eternal sundial]

sockets are big this expansion

[keen kindle]

It could be more

Depends on if you already have a primalist gem or not

If you don't have a main stat gem it's worth a lot more.

[glad plover]

I just had funny realization, you can actually pick Thunder Clap as fury warrior. All jokes aside I think if Blizzard ever wants to make changes on Fury and refine our Talent Tree this should be ability they focus on First, and ofc Removal of One Hand Talent choices.

[dense elbow]

You haven't tried TC fury, where you dont rampage but clap?

[tulip swallow]

there's a lot of room to rework things, yeah

anger management should probably be in the class tree instead of being in all 3 spec trees

[glad plover]

I did, its a joke right 😄

[dense elbow]

We will clap for you

[lavish sage]

is it really? lol that’s so dumb

[keen kindle]

To be fair isn't BB in all 3 spec trees as well?

[modest condor]

no we need less throughput in the class tree, not more

[keen kindle]

This too as well

[tulip swallow]

our tree is like 2/3 throughput talents lol

[keen kindle]

Warrior is locked in to so many talents due to throughput

[glad plover]

Yeah you need to go Avatar, and Roar or Spear, builds simply do not work whitout this

[sullen dove]

aint no way you did

[tulip swallow]

all 3 specs taking avatar also signals a design problem imo

[keen kindle]

no?

Avatar is a big cooldown, why the fuck wouldn't you take it

[sullen dove]

[keen kindle]

that's like saying all paladin specs taking wings is a bad thing

[tulip swallow]

Wings probably isn't a capstone talent

[sullen dove]

all dks take abom limb for aoe, kill the class now

[keen kindle]

it isn't

But I don't understand your point

[sullen dove]

i mean when a class tree has 3-4 capstones, there is gonna be some fuckin overlap where specs will take multiple of the same capstones lol

[tulip swallow]

One of the major benefits of things like the mage rework was that they put essential talents really high up in the tree

[clever belfry]

no im ethical c0 limited only

[sullen dove]

imo its cool enough that like, spear is relevant for fury, and roar is used by the other two, and you can shockwave if you want

[clever belfry]

im not like vil

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

vil is c6r1

[sullen dove]

bro needs to touch grass

[clever belfry]

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

i think someone needs to hold her

[sullen dove]

i will hold her.

[clever belfry]

poor girl

[tulip swallow]

rally also needs a 5 man buff, it's kind of pathetic now

[clever belfry]

yes

[sullen dove]

would be cool ya

[keen kindle]

rally just needs to go back to 15%

[tulip swallow]

It's like half the throughput of mass mage barrier on a longer cooldown

[true sapphire]

I'd like that. I'd love to not have to gimp myself to get things like Intimidating Shout

[keen kindle]

Curtting it in half was a fucking awful idea

Such a big overnerf

[clever belfry]

nerfing it in raid was good

[keen kindle]

That's fine, but you killed it for keys

[clever belfry]

Correct

[keen kindle]

And removing IP was so weird

[clever belfry]

aug has 8% rally on their personal

[keen kindle]

Could've just buffed IP and made it work only outside raids

[clever belfry]

which lasts longer

on less than half the cd

2 charges

👍

[keen kindle]

true doomer hours

[clever belfry]

while also providing zephyr

[sullen dove]

moment

[clever belfry]

and twin guardian

👍

[keen kindle]

And rally still feels overnerfed imo compared to like

darkness and amz

to be fair amz already got massacured

[tulip swallow]

Rally has the raid advantage of not needing to be stacked, but there's very rarely an excuse not to stack in keys

[true sapphire]

If you stack how are hunters going to kite Spitefuls backwards down the stairs and out of LOS from the healer?

[tropic cobalt]

rally got nerfed along with basically every other major raid cd which made more sense at the time

but then they decided to massively buff darkness because ???

[clever belfry]

They buffed all dps raid cds in keys which were nerfed in raid

except rally

👍

[sullen dove]

moment

[clever belfry]

me when warrior isn't the best class

[sullen dove]

true

[clever belfry]

(i will walk off a bridge)

[sullen dove]

me when i say i wouldnt mind if i wasnt the best if it wasnt such a wide gaping hole between the top brass and me (i am lying and still want to be playing the best class)

[clever belfry]

funnily even for most "" "mythic" "" raiders aug is much worse than warr rn

unless u do degen shit aug is straight up piss rn 👍

[sullen dove]

aug down bad after nerfs kek

[tulip swallow]

that quote about them wanting us to "give something up" for shockwave lives rent free in my head, even if we don't lose that much in the grand scheme of things

[sullen dove]

i assume they gotten better since everyones like 480 sum ilvl

[clever belfry]

yeah aug kinda double dips from ilvl incr

[fair oasis]

so fury on every fight besides council im assuming because sweeping strikes 2 target

[sullen dove]

uh sure, i imagine thats what most of the top logs reflect

dont rly matter grand scheme of things but can play w/e

[keen kindle]

Just play fury evreywhere

[tulip swallow]

most fights are fury favored, but arms is still super playable

[clever belfry]

pov M smolder

if ur rogues int u cant parse on aug

assume both my rogues blue logged instead of grey n green

im at a 98

:)

delete aug

[tulip swallow]

they probably have the cancelaura ebon might macro

👿

[clever belfry]

Fightback

#FIGHTBACK

@warm crag

[dire badge]

[clever belfry]

[tulip swallow]

the meta pre aug was one of the best meta's we ever had too

[spare otter]

bad luck protection in m+ when?

[clever belfry]

die aug

[dense elbow]

I like augs, they make my keys easier

[clever belfry]

they do indeed

delete it tho

[sullen dove]

just run it again

[spare otter]

how many more times...

[keen kindle]

1,000

Until the end of time

[glad plover]

Most complaints are not about state of warrior in some tier list, recently complaints are mostly focused around our talent trees. Given that by now quite few classes got talent tree reworks and changes, I think people started to expect some kind of "rework like" treatment of Warrior talent trees, since lets be honest, they are very bad, compared to recently changed ones.

[gilded pawn]

no

its the state of warriors

also make our blockade talents less obvious

rogues blockade talents feel sort of good to take

[young swan]

i think those blockade talents + only 2 real transformative/build defining "capstones" are my biggest complaints

[unreal onyx]

ye

70% of warrior talents don't change anything on the playstyle

[deft sierra]

raid lead told me id never top the meters as fury this tier, he just doesnt get it

[unreal onyx]

or you can even really "feel" a difference

imo

[keen kindle]

In addition to little change

Too little utility

[prime summit]

we have shockwave now in m+

fear and storm bolt

[unreal onyx]

we had that last season too

[prime summit]

utility is fine bro

[tropic cobalt]

vdh has more mob control in 1 minute worth of cooldowns than the entire warrior kit between all specs

[prime summit]

we're just not DHs

[unreal onyx]

or rogue

[prime summit]

just wait until you get lego

[young swan]

or shaman

[keen kindle]

No it's not when most other classes can take whatever the fuck utility they want and not loose damage

[young swan]

or mage

or warlock

[glad plover]

I mean, what is the point of Dual Wield Specialization talent anyway ? Just make it passive you get at level 70.

[unreal onyx]

lego doesn't change anything for utility

[young swan]

or druid

[keen kindle]

this too

[prime summit]

you cant bring two ranged to m+

bec too many kicks

atl east in high keys

our util is reallly nice idk

people just like to complain

wars are in a good spot

[young swan]

yeah I mean its not a secret that warrior has literally the worst utility of any spec in the game

[keen kindle]

Ah yes

We can do borderline NOTHING for two affixes

[prime summit]

aint no way

[inland flame]

agression vs xan the duality of man

[keen kindle]

"Warrior is fine"

[prime summit]

hunter literally just has aoe damage

their ingle target is abysmal

[keen kindle]

At least hunter has good damage lmao

We don't even have that

[unreal onyx]

warrior has battle shout that benefits no only melees of which you are at max 2 in a key, rally is good for high incoming group dmg but that's it for group util

[gilded pawn]

and bshout is just damage

if warrior is doing 100k and bshout is making 20k damage

[young swan]

ah yes warrior utility is fine we just dont bring a soothe, dispel, lust, brez, offhealing, group-wide dr, freedom, cleanse or incap

[keen kindle]

and rally is droppable

[young swan]

its fine

[prime summit]

mage is dogshit this tier

[gilded pawn]

just bring a class that does 20k more

[glad plover]

Last time I heard "Warrior is fine" Augmentation got released, and in matter of days, warrior was not fine anymore.

[warm crag]

Why are u pinging me at 1 am

[prime summit]

they cant live

anything

[unreal onyx]

personal offheal and freedom

[left perch]

Why are you answering at 1am

[unreal onyx]

just have engi bracers for brez

[wanton mirage]

Damage is all it matter?

Doesnt Shadow priest have almost same utilities as in season 2?

[young swan]

why are u complaining its only 1 am

[unreal onyx]

1:45

[prime summit]

our spec is borderline invincible

and we have stuns / aoe stuns

idc

[young swan]

yes and we do nothing else

[young swan]

literally nothing else

unless if ur spending ww stacks to cleave hamstring

(ur not doing that)

[tropic cobalt]

idk how you make that argument when havoc is just as unkillable

[unreal onyx]

warrior brings veeeery little benefit to anyone else but themselves

[delicate idol]

Meanwhile Stormbolt is in our tree and Fel Eruption is baseline for them

Gotta love that

[tropic cobalt]

• has far better utility + way better damage

[warm crag]

Do not motivate my dogshit sleep schedule

[left perch]

cleaving hamstrings for spiteful sounds bigger brain than it actually is

[warm crag]

Plus im at a birthday peepo blanket

[keen kindle]

Warrior, aside from damage, is borderline the worst class to bring for keys

[unreal onyx]

spiteful makes big pulls for melee especially warrior so shit

[eternal sundial]

but on discord

please spongo go have fun

[unreal onyx]

incorporal is impossble to deal with, literally

[young swan]

pretty sure it is the worst class for keys

[left perch]

can handle both spawns on my aug

[young swan]

specifically for the common folk where damage doesnt really matter

[keen kindle]

And even when damage does matter

[left perch]

wait no, both afflicted. Incorp I can only do 1

[keen kindle]

Warrior falls short

And maybe blizz shouldn't design affixes that some classes have literally zero counter for

[young swan]

exactly, not to say you cant play warrior, but 1-1 its just not close

[unreal onyx]

I can't think of any scenario where you would take a warrior over any other class

[spare otter]

Me applying for 23s

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[keen kindle]

exactly

And that's the issue

[left perch]

“fuck it just take the 2400 warrior let’s go”

in weekly 17

[inland flame]

now now maybe some TGPs there are really strong spell reflects and exactly one team tries a prot warrior

[glad plover]

I do understand argument that we have what we need of utility, and from that standpoint you can make argument that warrior is "fine". But one thing that is not fine is our talent trees, lets face it, they made warrior talent trees and said "Well warriors are simple, there should be no problems"

[keen kindle]

This is why warrior needs a paladin tier rework

Throw EVREYTHING Out

Redo the entire tree

[young swan]

agreed on the class tree except for the torments

keep those

gas idea

[prime summit]

bring 5% ap

[unreal onyx]

you have to do 25s to get into 20s as warrior it feels like

[prime summit]

like doomers doom

[young swan]

"bring the worst class buff"

[prime summit]

warriors good

[keen kindle]

Ava, torment, and roar are fine

[prime summit]

its better than mystic touch

[mellow swan]

When you split reck and avatar, when do you use trinkets? w/ roar?

[keen kindle]

Capstones being damage is okay

[prime summit]

and this raid its far better than dh magic debuff

do you even know raid buff stats?

[young swan]

raid

[spare otter]

what do you have to do to get in as windwalker?

[young swan]

raid

raid

thats totally what we're talking abouit

raid

[prime summit]

hmm so dh rogue and enh sham are the strongest theyve ever been

[young swan]

for sure

[prime summit]

5% ap is the wrost buff

interesting

8 melee in raids

worst buff

[keen kindle]

We're talking about....M+

[prime summit]

hmm

[young swan]

totally talking about in raid strength

[keen kindle]

Not raid

[young swan]

for sure

[unreal onyx]

no idea, propably less than woyer

[prime summit]

even hunters benefit

[young swan]

[prime summit]

if you were a WW then doom

[young swan]

warrior sucks

[unreal onyx]

warrior is fun, but it sucks

that's the reality

[young swan]

good in raid

[unreal onyx]

at least for m+

[young swan]

poopy for m+

[gilded pawn]

cant be worst than mystic touch

[keen kindle]

We just need a rework so fucking badly

[sudden tusk]

warrior is just hard capped

im M+

sucks

[prime summit]

no i was being sarcastic

to xans statement saying our raid buff sucks

aint no way bro

[young swan]

it does

it is the worst buff

for m+

[prime summit]

not when DH and rogue are meta

[unreal onyx]

you give at max 2 people a real benefit in m+

[prime summit]

and tank damage all scales off ap

[left perch]

did they bring Revvez for Rally or just because he pumps and fury lives hard in prog

[glad plover]

If they gave us Stormbolt base, placed Shockwave in its talent place, and instead of Shockwave added Necro Banner that would actually be talent tree with interesting choices. See that one simple change and you already fixed 40% of all warrior issues.

[unreal onyx]

not all "tank dmg" scales with ap either

[prime summit]

this m+ season is a cakewalk anyways

[young swan]

thats not part of the conversation

[prime summit]

we can easily do any key we want to if you have a group

[young swan]

correct

again

[prime summit]

bet critcake will do some big keys

[unreal onyx]

that's crazy

[young swan]

not part of the conversation

[prime summit]

whats the conversation

you wanna pug +30s?

bec if so thats a dumb convo

[young swan]

warrior is bottom of the list when you're looking at classes to bring to an m+

thats the conversation

[unreal onyx]

if you have a group your mates already know that warrior brings nothing to the table

[keen kindle]

No we'd just like to be at least FUCKING OKAY in keys

[spare otter]

pug 30s?

[keen kindle]

and not trash

[inland flame]

A lot of people don't have regular groups, and not everyone is trying to do the highest keys possible

[spare otter]

cant even get into 23s bro

[keen kindle]

also who the fuck pugs 30s LMAo

[prime summit]

just get 483 ilvl and be 7/9 mythic

and you get invites 🙂

[unreal onyx]

I pug 90% of my keys and it's so insanely hard to get into any

[quiet geyser]

This is also a dumb convo. Lets use the top 0.001% of warriors and base how good we are off their gameplay.

[spare otter]

i'd still take a dh over you tbh

[unreal onyx]

and lately I sometimes ask why I get insta-declined, and 99% of times it is bc we bring no util

[sudden tusk]

right now without getting propped up by DH it feels very hard at even 26s

[prime summit]

you could use this argument for every season though

[sudden tusk]

not sure how high id even be able to go without a dh in my group

[prime summit]

every single class that isnt meta doesnt get prio

like who cares

thats how wow works

[sudden tusk]

you do realize

[prime summit]

play a differnt game

[unreal onyx]

it doesn't

[keen kindle]

Because fury is worse

[sudden tusk]

mata in M+ = uncapped

aoe everytime

[keen kindle]

And arms is worse

[sudden tusk]

the answer is there they just wont do it

[prime summit]

you're not a WW, warlock, shaman etc

[young swan]

pretty sure we're lower prio than those

lock brings brez

shaman brings lust

[prime summit]

bro if you're not meta

period

[keen kindle]

Locks bring brez, shaman brings stops and lust, WW brings mustic touch

[prime summit]

you're not getting prio

[young swan]

again

[prime summit]

just run your key

and thats that

[young swan]

not the conversation

[keen kindle]

We. are not. fucking. asking. for prio

[young swan]

ur just

[unreal onyx]

literally missing every single point

[young swan]

saying things

for fun

that have literally 0 correlation to the topic

[quiet geyser]

Ugh.. enhance and locks pump?

[prime summit]

just wasting energy complaining idk

[mellow swan]

Bring back conquerors banner and make it give lust or party wide dmg buff :)

[unreal onyx]

you make points no one asked about

[prime summit]

make a list

[unreal onyx]

and miss the point of the complaining

[prime summit]

whats the points lolxd

give em to me

[unreal onyx]

warrior bring no util to keys, that actually matters

[prime summit]

we do

[young swan]

we dont

[keen kindle]

Compare us to any fucking class

Meta or not

We bring DRAMATICALLY less

[tardy lark]

Write a big forum post and we might get another 20% on slam

[young swan]

not anything that gets us picked over literally any other spec in the game

[prime summit]

for how incredibly important interrupts are, we can almost single handedly interupt every cast in everbloom

which enh shams cant do

[tardy lark]

Huh

[young swan]

huh

[abstract dirge]

but we dont. if we had storm bolt only, u could say we do, but do we really? every class has utility and warrior compared to every single class has fuckall

[glad plover]

Well shadowpriest and windwalker is in a bad spot right now, but if you play with friends you will be able to do 20+ keys easy. Its preception of the class that matters, this is a MMO, sometimes you will be forced to play something with random people. Especially with way M+ Keystones give you random dungeon to play. IF you want to target specific dungeons for loot you will have no choice but to PUG in many cases. I did over 15 20+ Rise runs, for Gorehowl last week, and trust me there were moment where I was waiting for 30-45 minutes to get invited.

[keen kindle]

Tf is bro on about

[prime summit]

shockwave bolt fear and pummel

thats how long a pack lives

ggez

[spare otter]

warriors:

[marble schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qFeawTzDgAiwmLeTUjWmDy

this sim is throwing me for a loop

[young swan]

okay so what button are u pressing when they call for lust ?

[prime summit]

but its ok

we have NO utility

at all

[keen kindle]

The point is

[prime summit]

like zero

[keen kindle]

The ultity is NOT ENOUGH

Compared to other classes

[marble schooner]

belt by itself is 0% upgrade, ring is 0.7%upg, but ring + belt is 1.4%upg?

my stat weights are going brrrr

[young swan]

no one is gonna see a fury warrior and enh shaman in q and think "oh yeah im totally taking the fury warrior so he can solo cc a single pack and then be useless for 1.5m"

[prime summit]

no you're just gonna take the rogue and DH

ok give us one more stun

or one more AOE cc

does that change anything?

[keen kindle]

Yes it actually would

[glad plover]

It actually does.

[keen kindle]

it would mean we could fill in the stops of other classes like havoc and rogue and shaman

[mellow swan]

bring back conquerors banner "You inspire those around you to charge into battle and fearlessly fight to the death" granting blood lust :)

[keen kindle]

Literally just having stormbolt baseline and shockwave in it's place would be MASSIVE \

[prime summit]

i dont think so

DH and rogue will still have more prio

[hallow sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/7days-to-end-with-you-its-joever-crying-gif-27677595

[prime summit]

like you guys dont even know what you want

[left perch]

ngl the warriors get bloodlust promoters kinda zzz

[keen kindle]

Dude you are a brick wall

[prime summit]

if we had two more AOE stuns

we still wouldnt have prio

[left perch]

Did you not read the thesis that Xan helped write?

[mellow swan]

this discord is zzz

[inland flame]

Warrior lust probably won't happen since it makes us the only tank w lust.

[left perch]

like its pages of content bro

[unreal onyx]

if you had a list for every single class and spec for a m+ key and put them in order in which you would take them, warrior (both specs) would be in dead last

[spare otter]

battleshout should scale depending on how many people are in your party imo

[marble schooner]

Blizz makes it a fury and arms spec talent, destroying further the tree

monkey paw furls

[gilded pawn]

then you open of the can of worms of arcane int being stronger in keys

[chrome plover]

replace smf in fury tree with lust

[young swan]

most of the fury takes were just compromises on things that i thought would be reasonable for short notice....

[left perch]

still, it’s not like you of all people “don’t even know what you want”

pretty sure you have good thoughts 😉

[hallow sphinx]

xan is the false shepard

[tardy lark]

Most of the arms stuff was the same since we were told to not make it “overhaul level”

[inland flame]

Nah lust as a talent feels like a bad meme.

[chrome plover]

[unreal onyx]

just even giving warr a brez would ease the m+ situation soooooooo much easier

[young swan]

???

[hallow sphinx]

[keen kindle]

Scream at someone till they wake up

[unreal onyx]

basically

[keen kindle]

Scare someone so fucking bad they come back to life

[dense elbow]

oh, we at the AoE battle res part of the loop?

[keen kindle]

That'd be so good

[glad plover]

In my opinion, idea that Warrior "should not have lust" was sound, up to the moment Paladins got Combat Res, and DH got grip, now, everything is on the table, and this abilities clearly are not unique or sacred for specific specs anymore, so you may as well give stuff to other classes.

[marble schooner]

I think if we get PH baseline and like a banner that gives crit group cd we are fixed tbh

[chrome plover]

lust shout, battle res shout, aoe stun shout, misdirecting shout

[dense elbow]

Got to be better than the OG tho, or we still wont be brought

as they still do more DPS

We need to bring more to tip the balance, not equalise

[left perch]

👀

[hallow sphinx]

you heard it here first

[marble schooner]

Paladin is the very very OG combat ress class

[young swan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/819664942394638426/1143935645794971678/ezgif.com-gif-maker_2.gif

[marble schooner]

Blizz just goofed

[left perch]

@young swan I am incredibly disappointed in you based on this new information

[dense elbow]

AoE battle ress, AoE stun with repeating knockbakcs every 0.3 sec for 5 sec. AoE cleansing shout on a 30sec CD.

[young swan]

gg

[hallow sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/monki-fish-monki-go-fishing-monkey-fish-beach-gif-27110254

[keen kindle]

no to aoe battle rez that's never happening

[young swan]

ive lost all credibility

[keen kindle]

tha would be absoutlely broken

[young swan]

to gajeel the valor stealer

[hallow sphinx]

take the yellow name away!

[marble schooner]

we could have an AoE "too angry to die" cd

[flat sapphire]

I mean idk how good it would be but a banner or debuff like dhs thing but for warriors so when boss is in execute phase you do a small extra % damage maybe it would be broken idk just an idea we thought about

[keen kindle]

Even blizz knows that. Imagine being able to replicate a healer LB3 from 14 as a fucking warrior

[left perch]

he really did join the chat just to make you step into his shadow again 😦

[marble schooner]

like health wont be brought below 1% for the next 6 secs

kinda deal

[keen kindle]

Would it be fucking awesome? yes. Would it be mandatory wipe recovery?...also yes

[marble schooner]

just make it so after X ammount of damage you die

oh u talking about aoe bress nvm

[spare otter]

these are some trash ideas tbh

[dense elbow]

Ok, what if, warrior in M+ no have a 100% HP value on Rally, SR now affects the party, Fear now affects all enemies, Berserking grants or allies 15% haste.

[marble bison]

That sounds like rally-

[dense elbow]

Eh?

Ehhh?

[abstract dirge]

sorry to detract. those who did leggo. do superbloom items for the quest come from the superbloom itself or the bags? thinking if it's worth stocking up on bags now when bored

[marble schooner]

nah i mean so if a raid boss has a wipe mechanic you still wipe

[keen kindle]

let's hear urs

[spare otter]

more damage

[keen kindle]

I mean in a perfect world

selfish classes like warrior would bring stupid high damage and be above evreyone else who has utility

[leaden spoke]

me reading fury channel before sleep

[marble schooner]

In a perfect world every class brings something cool to the table

[uneven path]

I am getting more and more depressed

[marble schooner]

so thers no need to have this discussion

[glad plover]

When did Paladin have Combat Res before Dragonflight ?

[marble schooner]

bringing just damage is not cool

[marble schooner]

Warcraft 3

AoE Bress

[chrome plover]

[keen kindle]

not evrey class needs to be a wall of stops and cc

[glad plover]

I mean Warriors had Illusions and Invisibility back in Warcraft 3 😄

[keen kindle]

if warrior was just a stupid high dps class, there'd be an argument for us

Just like there are for selfish classes in other games

[dense elbow]

Ok, hear me out, what if we all get bladestorm, and bladestorm now knock backs all enemies every 0.1 sec, then tethers them back in, over and over?

So it is 7sec of CC!

Ye

[uneven path]

But we will get lego so everything is fine

[dense elbow]

Yee...

[ebon shore]

examples?

[keen kindle]

Samarui and black mage in ffxiv.

Highest damage but very very little damage reduction

[marble bison]

FFXIV's monk has also been a damage bot for most of the game

[keen kindle]

this too. and reaper

14 is a goldmine of how selfish classes should be balanced tbh

[spare otter]

^

but they dont have specs so its easier

[glad plover]

Did not play FF, does that class do higher damage compared to rest because it has less utility ?

[marble bison]

I do think it's worth noting that general utility in 14 is shared between roles (melee, ranged phys, casters, etc) so that becomes less of an issue

[marble schooner]

where did I say CC

[keen kindle]

This is also true

[marble schooner]

all the suggestions ive given are not cc, except for PH baseline

[marble bison]

Partially. It was also the most demanding to play for the first couple xpacs, and while that's eased up a bit, I think it's currently near top dps still

[marble schooner]

yah but that at least was the "blademaster" class, Paladin was straight up Paladin, in fact Blizz took Meta from Demo Locks because OG W3 DH had Meta

[keen kindle]

But like I said, it's an example of how low utility should be done.

[marble bison]

Nearly every ability had a positional requirement whereas most other classes had 2-3 or none

[mellow swan]

bring back banner (s) with secondary stat buffs for group seems like an easy start. Mastery or crit or whatever

[ebon shore]

can't think of a single game that I've played in the past 3-4 years where that has been the case ngl

balancing is always going to be an issue

u won't have perfect balancing so why bother thinking about it

[glad plover]

Simple idea that fits warriors.

[marble schooner]

I insist that having a banner that gives Crit (or Vers but thats a whole can of worms), and PH baseline makes us waaay more appealing

[chrome plover]

fury owns how it is rn, just 3 classes own harder :)

[glad plover]

What game are you playing ?

[chrome plover]

would ask you the same question

[ebon shore]

think they're specifically talking about m+

I'd hope so at least

[marble schooner]

how are just 3 classes better than war on M+ even?

like what

theres like at least 6 classes that are straight up M+ staples

[chrome plover]

[cunning crystal]

Rogue/dh/enh/bm/frost?

Aug

[marble schooner]

and Destro

augs nerfed

[cunning crystal]

I think it's demo in m+

[marble schooner]

ik destros bad atm

[cunning crystal]

No destro right?

[marble schooner]

yah rn it is

[keen kindle]

Because it actually matters? Just because we can't have perfect balance, obviously, and even 14 is very clearly not perfectly balanced (imagine tanks not being viable due to low damage lmao). Just because perfection is impossible does not mean it "doesn't matter"

If a class is sevrely lacking in tools compared to others, is that not a problem?

[marble schooner]

what i mean is that whenever you are making a key group, you look for those classes, you dont "look" for warrior, the same way you usually would look for a mage, or a rogue, or a DH, etc

[keen kindle]

And let's be clear, noone here is asking for perfect balance.

[chrome plover]

so many copers that fury is bad and needs buffs when it absolutely blasts damage atm, all just overshadowed by a few op specs that need to be toned down

[ebon shore]

u can talk about problems but u brought up a perfect world and I was simply saying there's no point thinking about that

[glad plover]

I mean, if rank 1 Fury, and Rank one DH in M+ are sepparated by whooping 100k dps, owns is not what comes to mind.

[marble schooner]

why are you mentioning damage

[cunning crystal]

Definitely not looking for perfect balance I just think blizzard is weird for letting things like dh go live lol

[marble schooner]

like 90% of people here just want more utility/flavor/personality

for M+\

[chrome plover]

yeah agree

[marble schooner]

(and raid)

[chrome plover]

utility for raid?

[keen kindle]

All reworked specs have been OP at launch

[cunning crystal]

Rally needs a buff tbh lol

[keen kindle]

Ret, aug, exc (I'm just gonna count aug for obvious reasons)

[nimble basin]

Yes yes.
Let me help with affixs please

[keen kindle]

for keys yes

[marble schooner]

did you just read my message till the word utility or

[glad plover]

This is exactly the point of every "warrior feels underwhelming" conversation.

[nimble basin]

Let's me do SMF without a dos loss.

[cunning crystal]

Honestly a lil utility and for most classes more survivability tbh

[pulsar prawn]

neck, belt and ring dropped today .. 3 items in 4 runs vault full .. so i guess m+ is done for this week

[nimble basin]

Nice!

[chrome plover]

utility is fine and damage is fine imo, im having a great time in keys AND raid this patch

[cunning crystal]

It's always been horrible pushing super high keys on a class that just dies to unstoppable damage

[chrome plover]

i guess i am playing a different game

but im glad i am

lmao

[pulsar prawn]

sadly the paladin couldnt trade 2hand from Rise

[prime summit]

same bro

[chrome plover]

only thing i'd go back on is the rally nerf, idk why it was necessary

but it's not really a big deal imo

[flat sapphire]

Damage is fine

Utility is

Not good

[cunning crystal]

Utility is non existent on arms

At least fury can take shockwave now

[flat sapphire]

I would never ever pick a warrior for my own keys

[keen kindle]

arms can also take it

[pulsar prawn]

yee shockwave needs to be higher in tree.. literally every other class has more dungeon utility outside of reflect

[flat sapphire]

I'd rather take something with utility

Cr lust

[chrome plover]

I have no issues getting into 20s, and no urge to do anything higher until I'm geared for prog

so maybe that's why i feel less issues than most

[glad plover]

But.... But... DAMAGE?

[keen kindle]

Compared to like rogue or dh isn't even that good

[cunning crystal]

I am the warrior in my keys

Sadge

[flat sapphire]

I'm at 2.7k score and I can't get Into +17s

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/718909502170333184/1180641582169477180/image.png?ex=657e2928&is=656bb428&hm=6f0a14098b0d7274edda864ed3108695e97d10667c4eca817efcf1fcad58e6f6&

[flat sapphire]

Always declined

[glad plover]

I know, I am joking around

[pulsar prawn]

at least slaughterhouse for pve ....

[keen kindle]

...tf would that do

[cunning crystal]

JK I'm enjoying warrior and I think it's fine but it needs work in the utility department

[chrome plover]

I have less score and I solo pugged my 8x 20s real fast on reset day

[keen kindle]

Healing comes up very little in PVe

Last time it was important was like fetid

[cunning crystal]

Idk why rally can't do more in 5 man content like the shaman totems

It's so simple but fuck me I guess

[pulsar prawn]

there like 50 people qeueing.. if you dont have highest ilvl .. then yeah than its late.. why you dont run 18-20 ^^ thats more in your range .. unless you got the score via depletes

ill only got invites due to 3mythic + 480 ilvl ^^ otherwise would be as hard

[flat sapphire]

My ilvl is 475

[pulsar prawn]

then you waste ur time with 17s

[covert void]

not getting into keys isn't a warrior thing (most of the time). it's a there's probably people higher ilvl or score applying thing.

[pulsar prawn]

18-20 @flat sapphire

[chrome plover]

i guess that's why, im 481 with 6/9m

[flat sapphire]

I've already done all on +20 and doing 23s

[chrome plover]

ez invites

[flat sapphire]

Now

[covert void]

or you're at one of those shitty break points where you need to just break into the next key up.

[cunning crystal]

I get declined for 16s while having 20+ keys 2 chested and I wish I was trolling

[keen kindle]

better ilvl, better classes, better score

Papa wows

[flat sapphire]

With my guild

But when I wanna pug I csnt get to 17s

[pulsar prawn]

yee alot people are in 670-675 ish area for 20s

[flat sapphire]

I had to go down to 14s to get invited

[chrome plover]

wild

i just wouldnt do keys if that was the case lmao

that's grim

[covert void]

I mean, there's groups that go for meta but this season I've waited the least for keys out of any I've done so far. so meh? I think ilvl and score matters more.

[chrome plover]

yeah this season feels better than ever before

for pugging

in my experience

[flat sapphire]

475 and 2.7k score not enough for 20s now?

[chrome plover]

and ive pugged 100+ 18-20s

[covert void]

I know it's not the case for everyone but as I said earlier I feel like it depends on momentum too.

[pulsar prawn]

was last week already enough

[covert void]

it's so important to get as high as you can as early as you can in a season

[glad plover]

I did 23 DHT, in time. I find DHT easy but its not easiest dungeon in the season for sure. Still when I apply to 20, it takes me ages to get invited. In most cases I get invited by WW monks, survival Hunters, and Elemental Shamans, people who seemingly made their life goal to deffy META 😄

[prime summit]

people normally yoink highest ilvl in keys if you're a decent class- you need to be right around 480-483~

[flat sapphire]

Yea I'm talking about last week

[prime summit]

for 20s

[flat sapphire]

This week I haven't even tried pugging

[covert void]

so you're probably finding there's just simply people hiding higher ilvl and score applying for those keys now compared to last week

[sacred dirge]

anyone have a macro for spear and roar depending on which is known i tried making one with [known:etc but cant get it to work

[covert void]

with*

[keen kindle]

Also another thing

Tier lists don't help

"omfg this b tier spec is applying, don't take it!"

[chrome plover]

I think ive done like one 21 and the rest 20s, no interest in pushing keys while there's still upgrades to farm, and I get accepted to 20s within the first 5 groups I apply to most of the time

[covert void]

you get groups like that for sure, but not as many as you think lol

[ebon shore]

do u rly think the majority of ppl look at tierlists?

[keen kindle]

Just plain community perception really really does not help

[pulsar prawn]

@flat sapphire hopefully also you see what speccs are in the groups.. so i always qeue in grps without warr and they have cr+bl

[keen kindle]

no, but I do think it's a very very minor factor

also I think tier lists need to die die die

trash content

[chrome plover]

the group finder addon is really good for that

I just put no warriors, bloodlust fit and 1 tank/healer

and only apply for those

[pulsar prawn]

yeye got pgf since legion or so

[ebon shore]

it absolutely is a minor factor and prob the reason u get declined for some pugs I'm not denying that but again, a minor factor that's all it is

[chrome plover]

yep

banger addon

[glad plover]

I actually think a lot of people look at them, and make their choices of who to bring with Tier lists in mind. I know a lot of people who do that actually

[keen kindle]

...seriously

[covert void]

yeh some do, but it's not a reason to say we can't get in keys really.

imo

[keen kindle]

"favorite content creator dosen't like arms, can never take arms it's bad and trash"

[ebon shore]

not rly how tierlists work

[keen kindle]

Really apply this to any spec not in S tier on evrey tier lists

[red berry]

people do pay attention to content creators suggestions heavily regardless

[covert void]

as generally there's plenty of groups that will take you if you have the score / ilvl still.

[red berry]

that is not inaccurate

[glad plover]

People who play wow with META picks in mind, and change their main every season depending on what is META, will pay high attention to META picks, and will often only invite S or A tier specs in their groups.

[ebon shore]

and no one said that isn't the case but it's a minority

[covert void]

over 3 seasons I think the best advice is to honestly grind early. you have to keep up with the curve of where you want to be.

[chrome plover]

yeah maybe that's why im having a good time and it sounds like others arent lmao

[ebon shore]

the reason u don't get into pugs is most likely cos there's just ppl with higher ilvl or score not cos of tierlists.

[chrome plover]

people are definitely delusional about the state of things though

pretty funny read

[covert void]

I feel like if you don't grind early you can get stuck in lower keys quite easily.

[glad plover]

Yeah also last season RIo score, means A LOT when playing early in season.

[covert void]

true ^

it does show for a while

[keen kindle]

This too

[chrome plover]

ya my hunter is in that place rn

[keen kindle]

Wow is very much a game that outright punishes you for not playing at the start

[chrome plover]

getting a lot better at that though

in recent patches

compared to like corruptions

or even earlier, ap grinds etc

or even pre-m+

[glad plover]

Its not game, its community. And well game design of the Key system. Depletion is huge part of M+ issue and frustration around whole system.

[keen kindle]

It's only the logical thing to do

If someone hasn't done a key before, regardless of IO, why tf are you taking them

[chrome plover]

remember when a depleted key would become it's own thing and you had to run the depleted version to get your key back

classic

the next step is making depletes not go down a level

[glad plover]

Yeah, early Legion.

[keen kindle]

That was a seriously garbage system

[chrome plover]

or just letting you choose dungeon/level based on what you'd done

and remove the whole "you have a keystone for this dungeon at this level"

those are the changes im dreaming of tbh

not "give conq banner back"

[keen kindle]

Then noone would do low keys

[chrome plover]

[keen kindle]

and gearing an alt in pugs would be outright impossible almost

[chrome plover]

i dont agree

people love gearing alts

[glad plover]

Depletion is garbage system in general. I think 30 minutes wasted is enough of punishment for most of the players. I mean when you wipe raid boss game does not put you back to previous boss.

[chrome plover]

and those people would group up

[keen kindle]

Assuming they ghave friends

[chrome plover]

no, it's the same as the pug situation now

[keen kindle]

Like I save any alt gearing for when we get all 4 cata charges

[chrome plover]

most people havent been waiting 10 weeks to gear an alt in the past

same as how most lower keys are alts or people who actually do that level

that wouldnt change if you could choose levels up to 1 above your highest of that dungeon

for example

i dont mean that you can just log in day 1 and pick a 20

[keen kindle]

Well, also why would you do garbage dungeons

espically if there's no loot anyone wants

Once u got score done for it, you'd just never run it

[chrome plover]

well I have barely touched everbloom this season

[keen kindle]

and evreyone would just do +20s atals for weekly

[chrome plover]

so that's unchanged too

[ebon shore]

same

[chrome plover]

there would always be people listing that for the healer trinket or w/e

and people joining because they cba listing their own group and just wanna join someone else

[covert void]

same 😂 finally did a 22 today was like well, that'll do.

[chrome plover]

it's the same as how the easiest keys (like underrot) dominate group finder now

[covert void]

no gear really and not that fun imo

[chrome plover]

people who get those keys list them because they will fill fast, and people who dont will join them

it'd be the same shit

[dense elbow]

Here everyone doing Atal, while I do ToT and get insta invited

[keen kindle]

What, do people realize SR is giga value?

[dense elbow]

Nah, I bet they just like my keys done, being ToT, and ToT

[chrome plover]

i just did like 30 brhs for the neck and called it a week

[prime summit]

i gave up after 78 runs for trinket

rip

[dense elbow]

Keep mining

next one

for sure

[covert void]

78? wtf

[chrome plover]

anyways gn remember fury owns

[dense elbow]

gn Chawie

[covert void]

gn

[left perch]

gn Chawie

[covert void]

I'm down for farming but with vault chances and progression I try not to spend too much time grinding for gear.

[dense elbow]

78 is the same as myself, if I am not over that, kinda lost count at 75 or 80. ToT is one blurr now

Autopilot is engaged tho, so that is nice

[prime summit]

yeah idk man, need some guild funnelers for the trinket

[covert void]

I feel like if I spent that long farming 17s for gear, my score would take a huge hit.

[prime summit]

i counted my raider io

its insane

[covert void]

so not sure it's always worth it

[prime summit]

11 pieces of gear can drop in there

[covert void]

balance I guess

[dense elbow]

They naturally had better things to do after the 10-15 mark

[prime summit]

only get loot some of the time

lmao

yeah

was in that place for a solid 10 days straight bec I took off time from work for patch launch

[covert void]

that day you get it then it gives you it in the vault anyways 👀

[dense elbow]

got it in vault cause I farmed for it

100% how it works

[keen kindle]

My two vaults have been garbage

[covert void]

it's like OH you really like ToT we see...

[keen kindle]

But I have 5 set now....which is about to get replaced

[dense elbow]

Mythic Gnarlroot pants, ye?

[keen kindle]

Or tier

oh wait this is fury

Sorry I'm a moron

[dense elbow]

you already had 5

[keen kindle]

na

[dense elbow]

[keen kindle]

I got the helm off of council

I'm arms lmao

[frail needle]

Hey! I feel like I am missing some critical damage as Fury, even though I feel like I am pressing the important. Can someone take a peak at my logs by chance?

[dense elbow]

Throw em in at #449510248579858432

someone will get to it, sooner or later

[frail needle]

@dense elbow Thank you very much!!

[dense elbow]

[wanton mirage]

What is the best slot to put flavor packet this season?

[unreal onyx]

I'll put mine on ring next week

[clever path]

why is play warrior when demon hunter 100000 more dps

hahahahah

nerf is smal for is al stil need demon hunter carry you

[summer quail]

man made a discord account just to post here

[clever path]

yes main demon hunter

[summer quail]

[clever path]

not play bad warrior

warrior very bad dps

[left perch]

demon hunter TC trying to subvert his ban

[clever path]

hahaha

[lavish beacon]

[clever path]

i pres 1 buton and do more dps then al of you

nobody want warior is bad

[fast mural]

dudes mad that he will get nerfed after being fotm

[clever path]

demon hunter beter

nerf only smal they say

u stil need carry from demon hunter

[fast mural]

so you dont even know yourself

ok

[clever path]

80k more dps then u

i just blink eye i do more dps

because warior bad

hahahaha

[fast mural]

did you get benched for a warrior and now your mad ?

[willow cradle]

Yikes imagine this being the best way to spend your Saturday night

[clever path]

no

i just had warior in my dungeon

do 90k les dps

need boost

he deplete my key

for low stupid dps

[fast mural]

look what m+ does to your brain peole

[clever path]

why warior play ??

delete clas

demon hunter beter

stupid noob wariors

[tepid bone]

i saw a message earlier about how to sim various combos of runes for weapons to see what's best

does that work with raidbots?

[left perch]

<@&257983573498265600> is this guy worth muting at this point? Looks like an obvious troll account

[mossy fox]

timed out

[willow cradle]

Yeah it's obviously just a troll

Thanks Crit

[brisk talon]

That's what DH brain will do to ya

[lavish beacon]

[warm crag]

Warriorisbad is here for valuable and critical discourse, you are petty for asking a timeout !!!!

[left perch]

I was losing the debate and asked my mommy to help ok what’s wrong with that

[viral maple]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:384318]Thunderous Roar; [known:376079]Spear of Bastion

[left perch]

I don’t know if you need the second known block, actually

Assuming you either know TR or Spear

[warm crag]

Valid, i couldn't argue the point "warrior bad" either

[viral maple]

yeah idk I copied it from someone

[left perch]

unrelated but are they still keeping the name Spear of Bastion since they want to update the graphics to move from Kyrian Lore to Warrior Lore

[warm crag]

Idk theyd have to come up something which i think is a bit too much to ask for looking at how warrior tuning went on ptr

[edgy widget]

idk, they kept Odyn's Fury, except it's no longer a fire attack related to the artifact and there's a whole 10.2 questline treating him like a bitch 🤷‍♂️

[keen kindle]

Odyn always was a bitch

[left perch]

It’s a really small nitpick, so I could see them leaving it. It’s just a weird artifact to leave in

There’s no point really going to skyhold today, but there’s almost less reason to go to Bastion ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mossy fox]

spear of odyn

double down on skyhold

[unreal onyx]

spear of warrior

[olive wraith]

Spear of gamon

[lavish beacon]

Spearrior

[unreal onyx]

make spear only usable when carrying a polearm weapon

[left perch]

get out of the kitchen chef

[keen kindle]

lmao no

[olive wraith]

Polearms look so bad

[unreal onyx]

let me cook

make spear also root you when thrown under your feet

[keen kindle]

No, because then we literally couldn't run spear 99% of the time lmao

Not that is a bad thing cuz fuck spear

[left perch]

binds the warrior and all enemies together, obscuring both from any spells cast from outside of spear

make the mages come in too if they want to keep doing damage

[unreal onyx]

spear = group amz too

big brain time

[left perch]

crit is gonna mute us too but I think we’re cookin now

[misty helm]

What is the greater ember of Fyr'alath

[summer quail]

it's like the greater version of the lesser one

[misty helm]

lmfao

is that the bad luck protection

[unreal onyx]

yes

[summer quail]

yes

[misty helm]

when do I use it before a clear

or whenever

[summer quail]

whenever

[unreal onyx]

I just used whenever

[misty helm]

ok ty

[unreal onyx]

surely it will actually help

[toxic flare]

whats a good % on vers for fury

[unreal onyx]

whatever sim tells you

[slim pollen]

Criiiit! He's baaack! 👀

[edgy widget]

when the grammar is that poor, they probably shouldn't be

[willow cradle]

He's been trolling since earlier, Crit had to mute him

[half cargo]

[robust widget]

troll probably, account created today with that name

[edgy widget]

also wtf man, are you just rying to rable rouse?

[edgy widget]

right? obvious troll is obvious

[fickle bluff]

no way man i think youre onto something

[brittle crow]

i too need boost

delete clas 🙏

[half cargo]

This is great

[edgy widget]

Warrior bad, wha, you all should feel bad, wha

like, go complain to blizzard lmao

you think the people here have any say in the state of balance? lmao

[compact tundra]

i cant imagine why

[edgy widget]

probably because you seem to have a really one track mind

[left perch]

Oh the mute is over? #fury message

[edgy widget]

Yeah ok, congrats, your DPS may be higher

but I'm pretty sure everyone else's IQ is higher still

[willow cradle]

Oof

[edgy widget]

goodbye now, please come back when you learn to type in complete sentences, cause this shit is just painful

[brittle crow]

dont overestimate me im pretty low iq

[willow cradle]

This will be good

[slim pollen]

Lets just hope it's not contagious, I don't want my IQ to suffer like that 😬

[edgy widget]

There's an exception to every rule

[willow cradle]

I'm assuming he's just gonna make another account

[abstract dirge]

i started drooling guys, it's over for me

[edgy widget]

who cares, bans are free

[left perch]

The wheel of time turns again

[edgy widget]

Just don't let the other discords see the big bad warriors are banning people again xD

[brittle crow]

yea i am pretty exceptional

[compact tundra]

subcreation is showing people using raging blow in keys. is that the play for keys?

[willow cradle]

Probably some people who don't have 4 set yet

[pulsar prawn]

subreaction pulls large amount of player numbers.. and those using old gear

[willow cradle]

What are your filters for subcreation?

[compact tundra]

click on fury warrior on the front page and then you see this

[pulsar prawn]

murlokio is a filter due to its only using top 50 player instead of 2000+

https://murlok.io/warrior/fury/mm+

[modest condor]

where in that screenshot does it show someone using raging blow?

[pulsar prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/magnify-magnifyingglass-spy-observe-search-gif-10918910732386058072

[compact tundra]

raging blow is selected in full tree talents and the top talent build is usung slaughtering strikes

so what am i missing here

[brittle crow]

literally every fury build takes raging blow

ur routed thru raging blow before u can branch off

[modest condor]

i would like for you to try to make a build that doesnt talent into raging blow

[compact tundra]

i might be high

[half cargo]

This guy is even higher

[compact tundra]

oh slaughtering strikes also affects annihilator

fucking duhhh

[pulsar prawn]

raging blow is 2nd fury talent. you cant skip it. but will be replaced lower by aniihilator. and slaughtering strikes can youse both spells. but i personally think bloodcraze is a better choice

[compact tundra]

i see the error of my ways

my tail is now between my legs in shame

should just blame someone else like the troll in here a few minutes ago

[pulsar prawn]

top 50 fury:

[modest condor]

damn all 50 of them are talented into raging blow

[pulsar prawn]

titanic rage 35/15 dancing blades *

[left perch]

you could ask to be banned that might help

[pulsar prawn]

@modest condor dont be so harsh on no int buff warriors

[modest condor]

i would like to nominate invigorating fury for most forgotten talent in the game

[brittle crow]

didnt they nerf it too

[fickle bluff]

im sure like 2 people use it in pvp or something

[keen kindle]

It's kinda mid

[brittle crow]

tbh it'd be funny to take rn

8 seconds of healing for a fuckload every other gcd

basically a poor mans immunity

but no spare points

[modest condor]

you dont need invigorating fury for that

base ER already does it

[brittle crow]

not for 8 sec

[modest condor]

yes for 8 seconds