are wrists the only gear that can have a tinker socket
#fury
low folio
past pivot
Helm if engineer
meager void
almost got a 1M burst on EB20 yesterday qq
marble schooner
almost got a 1M burst on EB20 yesterday qq
first pull with lust yeah?
meager void
yup, but one berserker came in late š
marble schooner
ive only managed to barely crack 700k, on BRH
then again im only 467 ilvl
so I cant complain
modest condor
my highest was 1.7mil
summer quail
if you want to easily break 1m go bladestorm in everbloom
dusky frost
Guys, will it make a big difference between patchwerk and dg slice sims? Which one do I pick for m+?
modest condor
and i dont even have an on use trinket yet
dusky frost
I tried to find stuff about this in the faq, but I don't think there's anything
marble schooner
Guys, will it make a big difference between patchwerk and dg slice sims? Which o...
Pw 5man
dusky frost
You mean 5 bosses or 5 min?
marble schooner
You mean 5 bosses or 5 min?
yes to both
grand condor
Haste falls off, mastery adds damage, vers adds more damage
dusky frost
Yea
grand condor
(and tankiness!)
urban drum
are yall just popping your ember of fyralath as soon as you loot it off raid boss? or is it more advantagous to wait for a certain time to use
marble schooner
are yall just popping your ember of fyralath as soon as you loot it off raid bos...
pop that shit
urban drum
is it only providing BL prot the following week for leggo or permanent
humble plover
Pop it. Don't loot leggo. Repeat
marble schooner
is it only providing BL prot the following week for leggo or permanent
its permanent
they add up
urban drum
has anyone in here looted it yet?
marble schooner
eventually you could even hit 1% drop chance!
urban drum
urban drum
sick
meager void
Guys, will it make a big difference between patchwerk and dg slice sims? Which o...
MT APL isn't implemented yet, you will get funky results with it.
Patchwerk 1T 5min is the way.
gilded pawn
Not exactly true
Mt is fine
Dungeon slice requires a bit more work with cd management
meager void
Did silm update?
gilded pawn
The thing about dungeon slice is that thereās more nuance into holding cds
meager void
We all know that fury mt is essentially st+ww
yeah but the current APL for MT is based on RB Build if I'm not mistaken. It hasnt been touched for 10.2
wanton mirage
Someone posted MT APL awhile ago and its better than current one
In both 2T and 5T
meager void
Someone posted MT APL awhile ago and its better than current one
really? I'll go check then.
wanton mirage
I think u were here isnt it?
olive wraith
We relie on bt crit reduction for less cd of
How does this change the rotation? The only difference between mt and st is you need to press ww more often to refresh cleave
dusky frost
I tried the st droptimizer, but it recommends rezan's eye
Which is a pure st trinket, isn't it?
WIth a 5 bosses sim it shows as a downgrade even at mythic range
olive wraith
I mean it was still doing like 2-3% in my m+
gilded belfry
Rezan isnt good for raid boss like gnarloot or fyrak ?
summer quail
Which is a pure st trinket, isn't it?
to be fair st always matters, so not a bad shout
primal bane
Rezan is a ST trink but if you donāt have better itās still good to use
dusky frost
Click here to summon @mossy fox
primal bane
Better trinks for aoe = augury, might of oceans, butchers block
split coyote
I've been using crab+might. It feels pretty good
dusky frost
Crab's gone up on bloodmallet's mt
past pivot
Signet is also good for Spiteful weeks or if tank chain pulls. Mirror is also good but has the 3-minute c/d. Crab is very good if you don't have Might or Augury
summer quail
meager void
This is the snipet of the MT APL and it indeed looks ok now.
It does use WW after OF w/titanic rage tho (unless I'm not reading that 3rd line correctly)
clever belfry
Hey she has better weps than spongie
meager void
I think u were here isnt it?
I wasn't or missed it terribly. In any case, this looks fine and could be used as we did for T30
clever belfry
This is the snipet of the MT APL and it indeed looks ok now.
It does use WW aft...
bit shit to read on phone, but i believe it checks if the buff is down before wwing
and its still named buff meat cleaver gg
meager void
bit shit to read on phone, but i believe it checks if the buff is down before ww...
lemme expand it:
actions.multi_target+=/whirlwind,
if=
1st condition: spell_targets.whirlwind>1&talent.improved_whirlwind
2n condition: &!buff.meat_cleaver.up|raid_event.adds.in<2
3rd condition:&talent.improved_whirlwind
4th condition:&!buff.meat_cleaver.up
so meat_cleaver is WW stacks buff?
clever belfry
!buff.mc.up
means if meat cleaver not up
meat cleaver being ww buff
and they're all ANDed so all need to ve true
okay?
meager void
yup I see it now
clever belfry
š
meager void
we got an MT APL!
clever belfry
a baseline fury MT apl is incredibly easy to make
making a smarter one took max and me (mainly max) a decent amount of time back in bfa
modest condor
i made some changes to the baseline aoe apl for fury but i dont think archi has looked at it yet
gave me a ~20k dps increase on 5 target 5 minute
clever belfry
Yea getting early increases over "if ww down, ww" is not that bad
hard quest
hey all, i am really struggling to tank larodar. Any tips?
clever belfry
past pivot
modest condor
hard quest
oh sorry, thanks
clever belfry
desert cloud
Is a mythic rezan better than heroic augury (the one u get from heroic)
clever path
sim
desert cloud
I donāt even have them
clever path
gear compare
desert cloud
No
I mean they donāt have secondary stats
There has to be one better than the other
meager void
and you can find out by simming
summer quail
Is a mythic rezan better than heroic augury (the one u get from heroic)
for some it is, for others it is not
desert cloud
Ty
desert cloud
and you can find out by simming
Man if this was barrens chat
summer quail
that's only on st tho, augury far superior on aoe
desert cloud
I wouldāve said something criminal
clever belfry
Id use augury anyway cause rezan cringe
desert cloud
that's only on st tho, augury far superior on aoe
Only if the leader wants me to boost him in m+ i hope he gives it to me
Otherwise no boosts to him
summer quail
i mean fury is the best spec for augury anyway, dh is up there as well but they have the stupidly strong m+ active trinket
desert cloud
Id use augury anyway cause rezan cringe
Rezan cool cuz dragon guy lil kids attack
clever belfry
Rezan is a dinosaur
subtle lagoon
Wasn't rezan's trinket just a haste proc back in bfa
summer quail
yes
clever belfry
yes
desert cloud
i mean fury is the best spec for augury anyway, dh is up there as well but they ...
He goes by fking %dps increase so itāll go to some person that doesnāt do any content and has a small trinket
subtle lagoon
Yeah I knew I wasn't dreaming
summer quail
huh? you thinking of signet instead of augury?
clever path
augury has no stacks
gilded pawn
augury takes like 5 seconds to consume
tulip swallow
everbloom in general 
clever path
good change imo
tulip swallow
Consistent procs is always good
summer quail
He goes by fking %dps increase so itāll go to some person that doesnāt do any co...
yee that's how i lost it to enhance shaman for the normal version as well
tulip swallow
ashkandur was a bipolar bastard, it either never procced or it did like 5% of your damage
clever path
rezans is quite inconsistent for me
tulip swallow
I guess the sims don't lie but I haven't had good feels with rezans, yeah
blissful patrol
Hey guys any1 using the WA Afenar ?
clever path
ashkandur was a bipolar bastard, it either never procced or it did like 5% of yo...
i mean augury also depends when it procs
now after the change it will proc more often
if it procs in ur cds its massive
paper ravine
fury pumping like dh, demo lock by chance in m+?
oblique trail
@clever belfry
summer quail
fury pumping like dh, demo lock by chance in m+?
hahahahahah, should not beat a good dh or demolock player
paper ravine
hahahahahah, should not beat a good dh or demolock player
should not beat? wha
humble plover
Lucky to beat a good tank
paper ravine
uh
summer quail
as in they are way stronger than fury, so if the player is somewhat competent you should not beat them
tardy lark
DH is not ok
inland flame
We're not gigabad but we're definitely noticably behind things like DH
subtle lagoon
Skill issue 
inland flame
We don't outlie as bad they outlie as good
humble plover
Feels pretty gigabad
clever belfry
DH is not ok
dw 6% aoe nerf all they needed
summer quail
that assa rogue nerf tho, what a joke
tardy lark
it amounts to like 4-5% ST
which is substantial, but a slap on the wrist in the grand scheme lol
tulip swallow
That's a pretty good diffence, yeah
summer quail
ye like a 4-5% nerf isn't nothing, it's just they are so far ahead it's not even gonna close the gap remotely
tardy lark
pretty certain that evokers attribute too much to assa rogues
marble schooner
so two people just got BRH Neck
tulip swallow
I think that's mostly their aoe poison splatter thing that aug breaks, maybe the tier set
marble schooner
one of them with a 90k overall
im kinda tilted ngl
the other guy was good so idm
ive been so unlucky this patch man when does it end 
steel shard
DH is not ok
you think that is high?
tardy lark
you think that is high?
i do not, but its MUCH higher than the other 2 dps of the group
tulip swallow
if it's not everbloom or BRH it's really good I think
steel shard
in an everbloom 20
tardy lark
you are very cool
tardy lark
badass
tardy lark
holy moly
subtle lagoon
Blizzard dev team 
meager void
DH is not ok
same
steel shard
not my fault you are perma benched because of wallife
steel shard
its not trash
tardy lark
wouldnt even be playing warrior if they didnt bring buff xd
steel shard
revvez did good
meager void
I was playing like poop for a bit there too
tardy lark
cope
tulip swallow
At least it's more balanced than survival/destro meta
noble elm
Not relevant to this convo at all but
modest condor
i love seeing fury warriors do like 350k overall and then dh comes in and does 600k in everbloom
steel shard
i love seeing fury warriors do like 350k overall and then dh comes in and does 6...
but
12% immo aura nerf
noble elm
but complete utter trash for m+
Kind of a bad take tbh, warrior is fine for m+ itās just dhs and bm hunters are busted
humble plover
Kind of a bad take tbh, warrior is fine for m+ itās just dhs and bm hunters are ...
I've never felt less fine for m+
tardy lark
cope cope
tulip swallow
Warrior has good damage and survivability, but that's all we ever have
steel shard
and played sub mostly
tardy lark
xd
tulip swallow
Rally is just not a useful m+ cooldown, especially post nerf.
noble elm
Warrior has good damage and survivability, but that's all we ever have
Youāre not allowed to suggest warrior get utility that gets you flamed
summer quail
Warrior has good damage and survivability, but that's all we ever have
compared to last season warrior is not in a good spot for m+, fury damage was one of the highest
tardy lark
nah walli alt rogue had better gear than my split char until this reset
modest condor
Warrior has good damage and survivability, but that's all we ever have
cant even say we have good damage when the meta is pulling 15 mobs at a time
meager void
Rally is just not a useful m+ cooldown, especially post nerf.
it makes feel useful tho lol
tulip swallow
Fort buff and black attunement are about half as good as rally and have 100% uptime
oblique trail
Eventually it looks good
tulip swallow
big psychic damage
dense elbow
Buff OF baseline by 51% and we good 
steel shard
no?
autumn mica
Kind of a bad take tbh, warrior is fine for m+ itās just dhs and bm hunters are ...
This is very correct tbh. Warrior damage is fine it's just a few specs are overtuned right now. It's better to fix those.
tulip swallow
It could have the scuffed square root scaling past 5 targets and be balanced I think
noble elm
This is very correct tbh. Warrior damage is fine it's just a few specs are overt...
āFineā in this sense just being damage. We have shit util but donāt think thatās gonna change devs obviously donāt want wars with util
restive peak
We are far from bad, we're just not the best
tulip swallow
It's ok but the devs can't tune it properly
noble elm
Am I the only one who like the meatcleaver uniqueness
You mean beast cleave?
autumn mica
It's ok but the devs can't tune it properly
You mean the one intern behind the desk. Who said it was a dev team ?? š š
š
elder garnet
Warrior has good damage and survivability, but that's all we ever have
Fury has*. Arms survivability is complete cheeks.
tulip swallow
They're always super scared with meat cleaver and you can tell
Like if they buff our single target abilities, they WILL nerf meat cleaver
basically every time
manic pecan
should i use 2/4 of the new tier and lose the old season one or keep the 4/4 from last season till 4/4 new season?
inland flame
ST no cleave arguable
valid moon
I got KSH, and I am supposed to get new looks on armor, which ones are they?
autumn mica
Problem with blizzard is they are constantly "safe tuning" everytime tuning a little bit. Then see how it goes. Few weeks later do the same. They just need to take action earlier tbh
summer quail
They're always super scared with meat cleaver and you can tell
funny you say that, since meat cleaver specifically got buffed last season
valid moon
I got KSH, and I am supposed to get new looks on armor, which ones are they?
I cannot find them.
past pivot
check tab, you get plain and enchanced ones
restive peak
They just need to nerf/buff more frequently, like weekly but if something is an INSANE outlier it needs to be quicker.
humble plover
I'm just gonna get full bis and use t30 for keys
Who needs 10 ilvls worth of dogass aoe
dense elbow
Kinda hard to balance us pre legendary no?
tulip swallow
They could do biweekly balance updates and get to a reasonable level pretty quickly
meager void
I'm just gonna get full bis and use t30 for keys
restive peak
The leggo is like 10k for me at 209, so less than 5%, it shouldn't be hard to do the math on shit they created and fix accordingly
elder garnet
Problem with blizzard is they are constantly "safe tuning" everytime tuning a ...
I mean at this point the rotating fotm seems like an intended design/feature at this point (to a degree). Nearly every other MMO I've played has managed to make classes that play differently tuned within 2-5% in most scenarios. It's a math game. But time and time again we have these wild deltas (particularly in aoe) where the largest changes end up being +-3-4% every few weeks.
undone plank
I think this might be a stupid question, but if we are running the talent that make Reck pop Avatar, and vice versa, then are you supposed to not pop them together and just cycle back and fourth between them?
restive peak
They've buffed ret/DK, they get leggo, it's a copout reason
We're fine anyway, I'd rather they leave us and nerf DH/Rogue/Hunter
We are absolutely not weak this tier, those classes are just so strong we look mediocre
tulip swallow
This is about the normal strength we have for a tier tbh
modest condor
btw in case you havent seen it yet, demo is doing similar overalls as dh in m+
restive peak
Like I go on my 475 DH alt and absolutely shitstomp my warrs dmg while also having darkness, an immunity etc
Ye demo also needs a nerf
gilded belfry
In st, prio is :
Bb
Exec (sudden proc)
Ramp
Bt
Slam
?
restive peak
OR buff us all to their level, cool, but figure it out
tulip swallow
We're completely absent from a suspicious number of patch notes too
restive peak
Because we're actually quite well balanced, our issues are A. lack of utility and B. target cap being so oppressive in the new dungeons/pull style
ST we're good, in raid we're good, on bosses in M+ I'm always #1 because we lose so little ST swapping to AOE compared to others
tulip swallow
Just need to get a mid expansion rework so we have a patch of being busted broken
restive peak
Our CDs are not ass, we absolutely pump during them
humble plover
And any other good classes CDs pump harder
restive peak
No, if you were to pull 5 targets and have all CDs you should be #1 through the CDs
tulip swallow
If you manage to kill them before anyone else gets to do damage then sure
restive peak
It's the target cap making it appear so awful, we are hard capped outside droar so we start even but the other classes have far better passive cleave, so we drop quickly in big pulls whereas the other classes are mostly stable
dense elbow
I just want OF buffed, then we good 
tulip swallow
Target cap is only an issue because there are uncapped things
humble plover
We were target capped last patch and slammed DPS
restive peak
Without big changes the meta will end up being DH/Lock/Aug 110%, the DH and lock are effectively uncapped and cannot die
We are in the same spot M+ DPS wise as before, you were only #1 last patch on M+ runs because we ran SP/Aug so you had PI and aug buffs, and were the primary funnel
If you ran sp/aug this tier you'd be #1 too, but noticeably behind the capability of a DH/Lock/Hunter
modest condor
We were target capped last patch and slammed DPS
yeah because nobody was doing gigapulls before aug
and guess what happened when aug came out
fury dropped hard
restive peak
^
humble plover
I'm not saying target cap is not terrible. But it's for sure not the only factor
restive peak
It is the only factor
supple moon
What talent build should I run if I haven't played since Season 1? My item level is 340.
tulip swallow
Uncapped ancient aftershock that knocks down on every tick šæ
restive peak
We are extremely strong right now, we are far from the bottom class/spec
sinful spoke
What talent build should I run if I haven't played since Season 1? My item level...
Uhm
dense elbow
What talent build should I run if I haven't played since Season 1? My item level...
S1 build, it is in the pins, WoWhead. Go to season and a bit down
leaden spoke
We are extremely strong right now, we are far from the bottom class/spec
STRONG? what are you playing bud
restive peak
Jesus Christ man
dense elbow
We are very mid, I pump dam in what content I am doing. Can't complain really
restive peak
Every tier, without fail, we're dogshit to everyone
tulip swallow
Middle of the pack is fair, sometimes upper sometimes lower dpeending on the fight
restive peak
Except we're actually upper ST dmg, and have great mid target cleave dmg, amazing survivability
humble plover
Well they're never gonna remove our target cap
restive peak
We lack uncapped AOE and utility
sinful spoke
Idk it feels very shitty to pop all my cds while being higher ilvl than dhs rogues and bmh and have they still out dmg me
oblique trail
What talent build should I run if I haven't played since Season 1? My item level...
Just play the season 2 build, with or without season 1 or 2 tier it's the best you can get
Until you have full season 3 tier
dense elbow
If you ain't #1, you are a loser
That is the mentality
humble plover
^
gilded belfry
Whats the prio spell on st ?
restive peak
M+ feels good, you're just looking at your DPS vs DH and feeling like it's bad
Go run M+ with aug/mage, let me know how you feel after
finite salmon
Which piece we are not using for 4p?
autumn mica
(Everbloom) seems balanced
oblique trail
Which piece we are not using for 4p?
Doesn't really matter, helm and legs are both the hot pieces to swap out since you can get very good replacements from the raid or keys
dense elbow
It do feel more clunky than our S2 build
oblique trail
Going full 5 tier pieces though is an incredibly small difference in the long run
sage nimbus
Whats the prio spell on st ?
BB/Ramp/Execute/BT/Slam/WW
summer quail
changes a bit in execute phase tho(with ashen) then its bb>exe>ramp>bt>slam>ww
visual orbit
look at my colection
pure breach
zenith gorge
Why do people actually Value Crab/Might so highly in comparison to mirror? Mirror is better than both in ST for me and only slightly worse ( like 300 dps or smth) in multitarget - or is there something wrong in the sims or did people simply not get mirror and just run with whatever?
gilded belfry
Thk u š
oblique trail
Why do people actually Value Crab/Might so highly in comparison to mirror? Mirro...
In a vacuum, Mirror is usually stronger than Might
But in practice, Mirror can easily desync in keys due to pull cadence, where Might is always up
And you wont have to juggle specific stats either that could completely change your entire setup, just to make sure Mirror procs the right stat that's best for you
modest condor
Why do people actually Value Crab/Might so highly in comparison to mirror? Mirro...
3min cd vs 1.5min
and crab is a passive
frosty karma
if you wanna pad your throne dps
i think the mirror pet does insane damage on the last boss
frosty karma
i think th summoned pet does that already
past pivot
Why do people actually Value Crab/Might so highly in comparison to mirror? Mirro...
Crab is for mT. It's a passive which is good if you have an on-use. Mirror is good but that 3-minute CD can be a downer. Might is just good in all situations, ST or MT.
frosty karma
must be some funny scaling stuff for the amp
noble elm
Why do people actually Value Crab/Might so highly in comparison to mirror? Mirro...
Use both, mirror and might.
I use mirror for keys where I know Iāll need a huge single burst on a massive pull. I use might for everything else because it aligns with reck
Crab is just ezdmg and it has huge uptime
meager void
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbQeQ3CPXhE2rv8AJ5SdUc
is this right?
MT 5t 5min showing Might+Pip's as better than Sanglass, Rezan's and Coiled Serpent
476 pip vs 483 others
oblique trail
Doesn't sound wrong
tulip swallow
Rezan's is ass on aoe and coiled serpent is ass in general
meager void
true but over sandglass?
past pivot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbQeQ3CPXhE2rv8AJ5SdUc
is this right?
MT...
Rezan is for ST not MT. And 5 minutes for MT?
oblique trail
Pip's is just a big stat stick on a cycle that's always going to be good
And Sandglass damage proc is quite minor and only gives haste
warm pewter
man
oblique trail
Rezan meanwhile only does ST damage so doesn't help much if you're just looking for AoE
warm pewter
i dont understand how im doing so little damage
noble elm
i dont understand how im doing so little damage
Define ālittle damageā
tulip swallow
Depending on your gear 185k overall is ok
warm pewter
120-130k ST
noble elm
185k overall isnāt really that bad?
noble elm
Dht will stomp your melee uptime if youāre not careful
warm pewter
yeah those damn roots
past pivot
Are you saying 185 on bosses in DHT? Or overall? Confused by your statement. Saying single target and DHT together
warm pewter
overall
noble elm
Also the aoe pulls after second boss can inflate damage a lot so if people donāt pull a lot or you have a dh melting them your overall will be comparatively lower
noble elm
Oh
flat river
Is joining a mythic group as 472 plausible?
warm pewter
idk why the bear is there on the list
flat river
Is joining a mythic group as 472 plausible?
Raid i mean
mighty notch
Guys im in doubt about priority while bursting
oblique trail
Is joining a mythic group as 472 plausible?
Sure
hardy remnant
Guys im in doubt about priority while bursting
bloodbath
mighty notch
should i just spam rampage twice a row if its possible or always bloodbath
oblique trail
If you mean a guild for certain, a pug it should also be doable
chrome plover
always bloodbath
flat river
If you mean a guild for certain, a pug it should also be doable
Pug
summer quail
Raid i mean
you mean joining a mythic guild? if so just try to apply to some
mighty notch
damn im feeling so bad, my damage numbers just dont go up
hardy remnant
only use rampage to empower bloodthirst
mighty notch
just killed normal fyrakk and my damage is garbage
summer quail
ahh pugging i have no clue, not tried to pug mythic raid before
oblique trail
The first 3 assuming you go to volcoross you can easily pug with 470+
barren dagger
would you guys ever talent fresh meat in a m+ build?
modest condor
nah
chrome plover
im a fm dancing blades believer
warm pewter
Bloodcraze or SS?
modest condor
i use db but no fm
oblique trail
You can run no FM but it just makes pulls with only OF a lot smoother
And I haven't really suffered for damage from running it either so
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summer quail
Bloodcraze or SS?
bloodcraze is way stronger
warm pewter
i use db but no fm
how come?
summer quail
slaughtering strikes is pretty weak with annihilator
oblique trail
Bloodcraze kinda doodoo in AoE
warm pewter
just stronger?
modest condor
fm just makes your opener quicker if you dont have cds but doesnt really affect your dps
mossy fox
i use db but no fm
i think this is da wae
modest condor
bloodcraze is still strong on bosses or minibosses
mossy fox
but it's annoying to not have easy enrage
olive wraith
You can run no FM but it just makes pulls with only OF a lot smoother
Whatās your enrage % in m+
mossy fox
once enraged it's fine tho
oblique trail
Whatās your enrage % in m+
Idk I don't look at it
warm pewter
bloodcraze is still strong on bosses or minibosses
would you run it for this week or no?
oblique trail
But I know I'm enraged when it matters and generally the entirety of every pull otherwise
olive wraith
I wouldnāt ever run bloodcraze in my+
warm pewter
91% enrage in my 20 DHT
summer quail
while bloodcraze doesn't do much on aoe it still has decent value on like 2 targets
olive wraith
And you use fm?
mossy fox
bc is very decent st increase
summer quail
and ofc it's good in st
warm pewter
currently im using bloodcraze and titanic rage
would it be better to switch to SS and DB
summer quail
SS bad
oblique trail
SS is fine in AoE
It's not amazing with Annihilator but it's certainly not terrible either
mighty notch
anyone mind lookin up one of my logs ?
summer quail
log review channel
mighty notch
already posted there, didnt meant to flood it here. Just to dm someone c:
urban tapir
honestly depends on how good your raid is at padding lol, if you got others with big AOE it can be hard if they blow their CD's too.
oblique trail
OF yes
Avatar you can hold for 2nd roots since the first roots usually disappear instantly
Although if every root cycle just disappears then idk, pop on CD if you want
tulip swallow
You can do some amount of math on how long you can hold if you know what your kill time is going to be, but it's a lot of work
oblique trail
Don't know how many casts you gain or lose
barren dagger
what's acceptable enrage uptime in a t31 m+?
it does feel mroe difficult to keep it up
tulip swallow
Should be pretty close to 100% if you're using the OF enrage
just counting in combat time*
barren dagger
yes combat time
but when you look at details anyways it counts combat time only right?
tulip swallow
Yeah, details is combat time only
if you're looking at logs that isn't neccessarily true
flat river
My old guild still hasn't killed nimue
subtle lagoon
I pugged aotc
flat river
I left them cause they were toxic
flat river
I pugged aotc
I pugged it this seasom aswell
rotund steppe
hcc nymune?
flat river
Yes
subtle lagoon
I usually pug aotc then do it with the guild later when they gear up
Guild is pretty casual, aotc max
flat river
One of the players in their "raid team"
subtle lagoon
flat river
Another one
rotund steppe
at least we will have an argument
why tf are classes doing more dps that the ones holding a legendary weapons
subtle lagoon
Because blizzard is 500iq
urban tapir
i wonder if any dh or bm nerf coming :x
paper ravine
l ma o
flat river
Atleast we look cool
eternal sundial
One of the players in their "raid team"
Dont put down others and just be happy about your growth instead ret very hard
paper ravine
well maybe fury will be more in line with dh bm now š
flat river
~~Dont put down others and just be happy about your growth instead~~ ret very ha...
When you get blamed for everything it's hard not to
eternal sundial
Blamed for what
eternal sundial
well maybe fury will be more in line with dh bm now š
Lol no
paper ravine
x.x
subtle lagoon
Yeah we won't be, needs more nerfing
spare otter
well maybe fury will be more in line with dh bm now š
Yea 5% aoe nerf to DH = fury catches up to them
paper ravine
so i may just play one
past pivot
so i may just play one
Don't, we may not get buffed.
paper ravine
?
wha
im not worried about a buff lol
u telling me bm hunter gets 300k st in raid?
tf
summer quail
ah yes, showing 1 details meter. very relevant š
summer quail
nono it's not that bad, it's just showing details can be deceptive especially since aug is a thing
in fact fury is above average
oblique trail
Fury is good in the raid
true sapphire
We still thinking a ring for Flavor Packet craft?
oblique trail
Sure
sweet parrot
hi everyone , any really cool useful weakauras you would suggest?
past pivot
We still thinking a ring for Flavor Packet craft?
Most of us already have that so it's more of recrafting and changing stats than crafting anew
spare otter
Can't wait for leggo to drop so I can take my rightful spot as rank 1
eternal sundial
summer quail
but posting details for an indication of strength can be deceptive. i could post a screenshot of me topping gnarlroot by miles on details but on logs i was 3rd(remove aug btw)
true sapphire
Most of us already have that so it's more of recrafting and changing stats than ...
My flavor packet from last season transfers to this season if I recraft same ring?
oblique trail
It does
true sapphire
Niiiice
past pivot
My flavor packet from last season transfers to this season if I recraft same rin...
Yes, same flavor packet
oblique trail
When recrafting between seasons it's just a new spark and crest basically you give
oblique trail
Everything else stays the same unless you change it
summer quail
socket gets removed from non jewelry pieces as well
spare otter
How big
past pivot
But stays on ring
true sapphire
I knew about the sockets, figured the flavor packet would disappear as well for some reason.
summer quail
But stays on ring
yes, that is jewelry
oblique trail
Is a DPS gap
You can sim it but it's fairly sizable in main hand
spare otter
Okay I'm just wondering because
oblique trail
In off hand not as much
oblique trail
That's not gonna change if you just get a 489 weapon
summer quail
From 483 wep to 489?
4k for me last time i simmed, 483 gorehowl vs 489 gnarl
fallen arrow
with fury changes, does that pretty much make it gg in between warrior specs?
spare otter
Nah but the DHs all had 489 wep and my logs were good were beforehand
oblique trail
What Fury changes
summer quail
with fury changes, does that pretty much make it gg in between warrior specs?
there are no fury changes
oblique trail
Nah but the DHs all had 489 wep and my logs were good were beforehand
I mean I'm competing fairly well with my guildie DH and Rogue in guild raids, but it's not because I have a 489 weapon
The rogue obviously doing noticeably more, but I'm not miles behind
olive wraith
How bad is fyrak heroic
oblique trail
not bad
olive wraith
Compared to regular
oblique trail
Be more on top of dispelling
olive wraith
Is tswift harder
primal bane
Donāt hit people or adds with lines itās ggs
oblique trail
And stand still like 1 sec after getting Blazes
spare otter
I just noticed I was doing a lot less dps in heroic boosting run compared to my guild run
oblique trail
Unless the Blaze will hit souls then just move
flat river
Fury BiS
summer quail
Is tswift harder
nah tswift is easier
flat river
nah tswift is easier
Taylor swift?
summer quail
yes
past pivot
I thought HC fryak was easier than HC tswift
oblique trail
Idk about your group, but for my guild we basically skip everything that's difficult about HC Tindral now
We only have a single seed soak at the very end
summer quail
hc tindral kinda just falls over, or atleast in my guild
olive wraith
But the group seemed to prog tswift fairly well
summer quail
no clue how bad it is in pugging
olive wraith
Oh no
oblique trail
People handling seeds need to be on top of moving out of shit
olive wraith
Brain check scares me
oblique trail
And in a pug you have to be extra aware because you have no idea what kind of attention span the average pugger has, so their Blazes might overlap you if you aren't careful
spare otter
Icl melee DPS have it so easy in this game
tepid vine
anyone have a good sudden death weak aura?
spare otter
Just zugzug dps
summer quail
don't think i've listened to a taylor swift song in years, i recognize only her and nf of your most listened
olive wraith
anyone have a good sudden death weak aura?
Most generic wa packs should have
past pivot
anyone have a good sudden death weak aura?
That's one you don't need. Execute doesn't have the prio it one did.
late ivy
is my damage profile alright? or am I not pressing bloodthirst enough?
lilac escarp
is 1h 1h still viable in fury?
summer quail
no tony
fickle bluff
is 1h 1h still viable in fury?
still? never was
oblique trail
Viable? Sure you can clear basically anything in the game with it
But it's not good if you care about your throughput
lilac escarp
444 and 437 are my 2hs, and i got 2x 463 1h xD
oblique trail
You can make a legitimate case that those 463's are better than your 2handers
But you can also just sim on raidbots top gear to find out
lilac escarp
I cant thats why i asked ^^
hollow garnet
Anyone who has tested how big of a difference there is from staggering the use of avatar and Odyns fury compared to just sending it all together?
past pivot
is 1h 1h still viable in fury?
Viable? Yes. Good? Not as good as a 2hander. So your call if doing subpar DPS is more important to you.
gilded belfry
For better dps do we use cds on pack or when buff is active on mythic gnarloot
oblique trail
Anyone who has tested how big of a difference there is from staggering the use o...
There are no sims for it, but it's a loss for no reason to do this
hollow garnet
Well the "loss" of sending it all is I feel off doing them seperate
lilac escarp
Viable? Yes. Good? Not as good as a 2hander. So your call if doing subpar DPS is...
ty
runic pine
I cant thats why i asked ^^
What do you mean you ācanātā
Pretty sure anyone can download simc addon and anyone can plug in the string into raidbots
oblique trail
Well the "loss" of sending it all is I feel off doing them seperate
I mean you're free to do it if it feels horrible for you, but again you're losing damage from it
I've already asked if it can be simmed but apparently it can't, because your own OF and the one from using Avatar is coded as two separate DoTs
And I don't know if it has been fixed yet
halcyon birch
what is the difference between spear and roar st?
oblique trail
Quite minor, 1-2% iirc last I checked
past pivot
what is the difference between spear and roar st?
One you use and one you don't. š
runic pine
Well the "loss" of sending it all is I feel off doing them seperate
Itās really not that bad to stagger them
indigo quarry
funny because for Arms its reversed value for me
hollow garnet
Itās really not that bad to stagger them
Well maybe peoples opinion of what feels good is different š
runic pine
Well maybe peoples opinion of what feels good is different š
I didnāt say it felt good lol
But itās a pretty easy thing to train your mind to get over
flat river
Fury BiS
gaunt zephyr
Wanted to craft the "Allied Wristguard of Companionship" but crafted "Allied Chestplate of Generosity" by mistake with my Enchanted Aspect's Dreaming Crest .... f*** me -_-
flat river
Sadgers
olive wraith
Wha
clear thicket
rip
gaunt zephyr
Real question: Is that any good? :x
flat river
It's... Okay...
past pivot
It locks you into tier which is a bummer
gaunt zephyr
Well ... at least ... i got the mog now
gaunt zephyr
Idk my addons told me i didn't have it
oblique trail
Not sure if it has been fixed, but apparently it is/was bugged to give vers to everyone in your raid, and not just up to 4 others
exotic cradle
in m+, do you guys use OF then avatar? or can i just avatar with recklessness as i dont have to worry about dancing blades?
clear thicket
oblique trail
In M+ you want to stagger it as usual
clear thicket
seems like they put ogre teeth on the neck
exotic cradle
so OF first, use ww stacks then avatar?
oblique trail
Reck + Charge + WW if going into a pack -> Rampage -> OF -> Roar -> BB -> Rampage -> Avatar -> BB -> WW -> Rampage and so on
orchid trout
is the legy ember bug thing still a thing? does someone know
no one in my guild actually knows
flat river
In M+ you want to stagger it as usual
Wtf is stagger smh
oblique trail
Unless you're using Titanic Rage, then you don't need to Reck + Charge, pre enrage or use WW
flat river
Unless you're using Titanic Rage, then you don't need to Reck + Charge, pre enra...
No?
Use recklessness>charge>odyns
oblique trail
Doing Reck + Charge is only to make sure you can immediately use Rampage to enrage yourself
But Titanic Rage enrages you, and buffs the OF as well, so it's not mandatory
tepid vine
That's one you don't need. Execute doesn't have the prio it one did.
i'm in the wrong channel lol I play all 3 specs, so it's mostly for Arms execute
flat river
But Titanic Rage enrages you, and buffs the OF as well, so it's not mandatory
U need to have recklessness on before odyns
And u already charge
So it doesn't matter
oblique trail
Sure but you don't have to Reck + Charge to have Reck before Odyns
oblique trail
Ok
But you can also charge into packs
While things are still being pulled together
I.e first Throne pull
So how does that help you
flat river
Why are u argueing
clear thicket
I've learned (and read) reck>charge>odyn>ramp>bb>ramp>bb>avatar>roar>ramp>bb>ramp>bb and then continue w normal rotation
oblique trail
xd?
flat river
You know you're wrong
Stop making people do wrong rotation
Charge into recklessness if u have titanic
clear thicket
is the one I do correct :p?
flat river
Yes
flat river
Charge into recklessness if u have titanic
This can be done but recklessness before charge is better
flat river
No you are
shy knot
arctic bough
is there a raid build i should use without any tier
subtle lagoon
How much would it be worth?
arctic bough
tier 30 build and just ignore bloodthirst?
chrome plover
is there a raid build i should use without any tier
the t30 one would be fine
yes
exactly
chrome plover
How much would it be worth?
idk
modest condor
oh nice details removed ozumat from overall
oblique trail
You can't make me update my details
Never
I need Ozumat damage to look better compared to DH
oblique trail
yeah with a slap on the wrist
arctic bough
"nerfed"
urban tapir
I need Ozumat damage to look better compared to DH
i just save avatar :p
arctic bough
dh discord still dooming
south kayak
Why would they be dooming about a small nerf when theyāre already way ahead
Bunch of morons
red berry
people just do that when you get nerfs in general no matter what
south kayak
Should have nerfed them more
red berry
true
south kayak
vast surge
I got a feeling that they balance around raids. In raids they are not that far ahead in most st fights
icy panther
is simming dungeonslice pretty accurate? i feel like i've heard its not great...
olive wraith
Itās okay
dusky stone
what 4 slots am i looking for on raid tier pieces?
olive wraith
what 4 slots am i looking for on raid tier pieces?
Do you have 4p already?
unreal onyx
ideally you want chest, legs, shoulders and hands I think
dusky stone
i maxed the char yesterday, i have 2 catalyst, 2 raid finder and one normal legs
unreal onyx
but getting it in the first place is the most important
dusky stone
i have raid finder shoulders and hands, normal legs, and two catalyst charges, i have 5 piece if that existed
im at optimization š
dusky stone
ideally you want chest, legs, shoulders and hands I think
thanks for the reply, this combo helps me get rid of my RF hands
silent burrow
ideally you want chest, legs, shoulders and hands I think
the simc profile uses tier helm and not legs
errant vessel
Any combination of them is doable
Doesnāt matter since you can just tweak gems and enchants
silent burrow
Yeah I mean obviously doable, but this is the highest simming gearset
whole spear
Not really tho, you could just swap equivalent pieces in other slots and get the same results
silent burrow
ok
dusky stone
ill go for the highest ilvl then
donmt stress bois, rogue main here, just want to get into warriormode
its for my alt
errant vessel
Yeah itās prob highest simming
silent burrow
I mean it obviously is, that's why it's the gearset in the simc profile lol
unreal onyx
the simc profile uses tier helm and not legs
I was looking it up on wowhead
errant vessel
But canāt imagine itās more than a few hundred dps diff
whole spear
It's within margin of error
unreal onyx
olive wraith
lol
unreal onyx
catalyzing my myth council helm is actually a downgrade for me
at same ilvl
(within margin of error)
silent burrow
Yeah, but you're not changing the legs
errant vessel
I mean it obviously is, that's why it's the gearset in the simc profile lol
When you say the SimC profile do you mean bloodmallet profile?
unreal onyx
I wonder how long I'll stay with ashkandur in this season
hopefully only until heroic clear next reset
max
is the bis list in wowhead/sinc even that accurate
feels like they only go for the most haste/mast
but vers simming really good too, even better than haste at some point
silent burrow
no
sharp silo
whats the disadventage of using avatar before odyns fury? is it only to make bleed do more damage.
Also should i hold my avatar if my odnys fury not ready in pull?
somber elk
whats the disadventage of using avatar before odyns fury? is it only to make bl...
T set cdr
regal grotto
whats the disadventage of using avatar before odyns fury? is it only to make bl...
Your Odyn s fury will come off CD faster
If you odyns first
sharp silo
Hmm thx, so if it have like 30* sec cooldown in pull should i pop avatar without odyns or wait until i have it ?
regal grotto
Avatar 1st and you miss 3 guaranteed BT crits that would reduce the CD of Odyns
olive wraith
You can send avatar if odyns on cd
sharp silo
ty all
vestal owl
Hey guys is there a way for me to see which weapon rune raidbots used?
howling, hissing etc
oblique trail
Default is hissing
If your sim is small enough, you can press the "Show html report" and scroll down to gear
frosty karma
if you want to sim runes easier you can put your simc input into advanced and paste this below:
#Weapon Stone/Rune profileset."Buzzing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3" profileset."Howling_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3" profileset."Hissing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3" profileset."Howling+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3" profileset."Hissing+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3" profileset."Hissing+Howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3" profileset."Hissing+Whetstone"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3" profileset."Whetstone_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3" profileset."Whetstone+howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:howling_whetstone_3" profileset."Whetstone+buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:buzzing_whetstone_3"
oblique trail
Then it'll show you the temporary enchants it's using
vestal owl
thx
turbid needle
yo anyone has link to pally discord?
olive wraith
turbid needle
ty cutie
red sky
Is it okay to macro Avatar with Recklessness when using Berserkers Torment?
olive wraith
Are you using t30 build?
red sky
yes
lean nacelle
just make sure to use avatar first
oblique trail
You can do it, but ideally you'd also have a separate reck and ava bind
past pivot
Why macro?
olive wraith
Fury too many buttons
red sky
Well if theres nothing to lose with it, since the guide says to use them together, why wouldnt i macro them? @past pivot
rotund steppe
we use buttons?
warm rain
hey quick question for my fury bros, I see most specced into 2/2 overwhelming rage but is it bad to be 1/2 to put a point somewhere else? Just curious if this messes with the ideal rotation
rotund steppe
i use a dance dance revolution pad
past pivot
Fury too many buttons <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
No it doesnāt. Especially with t31
somber elk
Well if theres nothing to lose with it, since the guide says to use them togethe...
You use reck without Avatar in opener
red sky
You use reck without Avatar in opener
Is that a T31 thing? opener for me says to use both but thats probably because i chose the t30 build talents
warm rain
yeah it is
red sky
Thanks
oblique trail
hey quick question for my fury bros, I see most specced into 2/2 overwhelming r...
Not really, but you can take points out of Crushing Force as well since Slam doesn't really do much either
If you want to get more utility points
warm rain
Not really, but you can take points out of Crushing Force as well since Slam doe...
oh true ty, i was thinking of putting it in seismic
oblique trail
Seismic is very bad
queen elk
is there a link to a full T31 opener? or is it pretty much Reck> Charge>Single Target rotation?
oblique trail
Don't bother with it
oblique trail
There's that, but it's just 1 extra tick of WW
It's incredibly minimal even when it works
warm rain
guess it's better for arms
i keep switching between the specs so it might be throwing me off
lol
since i'm whirlwind spec in arms
covert void
just got mirror, was happy then simmed and saw it was 1.5k damage less than branch lol. Although branch only champ track so
unreal onyx
I passed on hc/myth branch like 5 times now
covert void
infact, even 483 mirror is 1k less compared to 476 branch wtf
oblique trail
Mirror sims change on a dime depending on what secondary it gives you
plucky ice
lfr branch its lit
covert void
Mirror sims change on a dime depending on what secondary it gives you
fair
oblique trail
If it gives you mastery, it should outsim most other on-use trinkets
bitter fable
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9SymsVAawrUg2ZEvedyz8p
question : why would band sim so low
oblique trail
(typically)
olive wraith
Could be losing stacks
unreal onyx
im using augury and might in m+
and augury and signet in raid st
with m+ trinkets I have 31% crit
spare otter
Still farming for might...
spare otter
Do people really farm sockets?
coarse nest
Itās not really worth farming specifically for tertiary or socket imo
But when you run 500 keys in a season
plucky ice
another BRH another day no weapon
coarse nest
You tend to get them
plucky ice
olive wraith
Is brh wep simming better than tot for you?
unreal onyx
rise weap sims the best for me
but I get more overall dps upgrades from brh drops
so I go brh
but im down bad for any weapon
rise is just a horrible key to pug
olive wraith
Ye rise was top for me and I got it yesterday
It is indeed awful
So many problem spots
When you see the frontal go off in mid on the axe boss
unreal onyx
I just did a 19 brh pug
with a holy priest and shadow priest
21 overall deaths
2 were no priests
unreal onyx
wasn't my key
olive wraith
At least you get pi
unreal onyx
i think so
it doesn't say that I got pi throughout the whole key
mage got it 12 times
heal got it applied 12 times too
so heal PId himself and shadow PId mage
spare otter
lol
floral lance
is there a specific reason to not macro avatar and TR together?
eternal sundial
is there a specific reason to not macro avatar and TR together?
one reason
nah but also on some raid fights u pop avatar before and then roar delayed
say on fyrakk you ava the infernals
but roar the souls once they stack
floral lance
i got ya, appreciate it
somber elk
We kinda dont play uproar
plucky ice
some do
floral lance
i typically donāt have it talented, i was mainly curious because i saw someone ask earlier and the answer was not to macro them and was curious why
plucky ice
light stump
do we spend crests and stones upgrading weapons , or do we wait for leggo to make all upgrades free?
(coping)
spare otter
yea wait a couple months i say
light stump
? what are you talking about? It'll drop for me on Monday's run obviously
spare otter
i mean you can wait till monday to decide to upgrade
but tbh
i'd just upgrade anyway
rotund ginkgo
id ask your guild to kill fyrakk mythic so it drops rq @light stump
tepid bone
are we supposed to odyn's fury > rotation for 3 bts > avatar?
or just of > avatar > rotation
plucky ice
few globals between OF and avatar
primal bane
Is this good dmg for an EB?
compact knot
ye
urban drum
anyone elses bw/lw ground alerts not work in atalazar? green floor dam on 1st boss
idk how to fix this,
dense elbow
my screen grows red at the edges, or green, so I just use that default feature
it glows, I move
:v
clear thicket
frikkin' ell, getting a group as fury is even worse then when I played ret previous season š„²
left perch
modest condor
dense elbow
Ppl complaining about getting into groups, while I get insta invited to all the 17-20 ToTs in the world
tardy lark
being ahead of the io and gear curve makes it pretty easy
modest condor
you're the reason they're not getting invited
yeah i have 3k io i can get into a +17 easy
but if i try a 23 nobody takes me
cursive quiver
i swear might of the ocean doesnt exist
cursive quiver
trying to keep going on, but losing my sanity sooner or later if it doesnt drop anytime soon
rocky geyser
cause people doing 23s know aug+dh+rogue/hunter is 100x better than warrior
its so annoying, since dmg in 23 keys seems so irrelevant rn
every key is easy timeable
dense elbow
If they do 10% more dps, it is (for the sake of argument) 10% faster
cant blame ppl for picking the most optimal picks, even if it aint needed
rocky geyser
ofcourse
but it will always be hard for us to get into keys since we only offer rally (and maybe some POG spell reflects)
quartz hare
I donāt think it should matter if you play better.
dense elbow
Spell Reflects do be pog tho
rocky geyser
yh a lot of fun spell reflects rn
quartz hare
Super good in atal
sullen wagon
Very good in EB
dense elbow
The golbin caster pack
covert void
easiest season for getting into keys, at least from what ive noticed
rocky geyser
yh but ppl always stun those
rocky geyser
yh my premades do it on purpose, cause its "op"
covert void
but then again, it depends where you're at, and if you're staying with the curve.
If you fall behind and get stuck it can be rough
dense elbow
That is when you pick up your sword and board, for insta ques till you are back on top
rocky geyser
i play premade with an outlaw rogue. We have just been doing our own keys, apart from some unlucky repeat keys, it works perfectly
covert void
but it will always be hard for us to get into keys since we only offer rally (an...
shockwave, and we're pretty chonky survivability wise too.
rocky geyser
i dont run shockwave, DH tank has enough CC :p
dense elbow
Problem is, DH bring AoE stun too, and equal surv
modest condor
having some strong reflects here and there doesnt make up for dh doing 100k overall more
rocky geyser
it doenst, but it just one of the most fun spells
and our survivabilty is also pretty fun
dense elbow
Being last man standing always - feels nice
covert void
having some strong reflects here and there doesnt make up for dh doing 100k over...
idd
rocky geyser
surviving these shadowbolts is just fun
