the nerfs from earlier today
#fury
young swan
errant vessel
Idk why but it doesn't show any class balance for me
errant vessel
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-6-december/480793 nvm this is why I got confused
bm getting demolished xd
oblique trail
Best spot to be in
molten spear
How did they manage to fuck up tuning even worse than last season? at least in lower keys up until 24s or something as war you could easly beat a mage or a spriest, depending on the key, now hunters and dh and rogues are easly doing 30 to 50% more damage, depending on the skill level. same skill level we are talking about 100k difference in many keys
oblique trail
You are currently assuming no one has paid any attention and hasn't spoken about it
Which is not the case
molten spear
like very bad players that do 20% more damage than you
well not enough noise, cause i espect a 30% buff to warriors
oblique trail
A whole lot of people complain and are upset about the fact that BM, DH and Rogue just outdps everyone else at equal, or lower ilvl
molten spear
after these 2 weeks
oblique trail
Yeah for sure a 30% buff
oblique trail
No but just stop being so upset for a moment and think about how silly it sounds buffing warrior by 30% instead of just nerfing the outliers to be more appropriate
oblique trail
Yeah I bet
deep niche
buffing classes = nerfing content so it will never be like this
shy knot
Being upper middle with legendary bis and being ok with it is insane
molten spear
exactly
shy knot
A dribbling fotm DH reroll shits on us
errant vessel
I really don't think we're going to be upper middle with legendary
think we're gonna be top
near it at least
molten spear
numbers says different
errant vessel
not on aoe
oblique trail
I don't think anyone is being okay with the state of the outliers rn compared to what warriors do
shy knot
Warrior utility = big damage
oblique trail
Except play the game more or get a better perception of what the state of the game is
errant vessel
yeah it's only because warriors get gapped on uncapped aoe
oblique trail
Warrior still does a lot of damage, and so does a lot of other classes
molten spear
like ii'm spamming keys and 6/9 m raid, i play a lot and i tell you, warrior damage is incredibily bad if you cmpare it to hunters, dh and rogues, exspecially in m+
oblique trail
It's just when people compare it to the outliers, it looks bad
oblique trail
like ii'm spamming keys and 6/9 m raid, i play a lot and i tell you, warrior dam...
Ok but this goes for literally everyone else too then lol
oblique trail
You don't but sure
molten spear
i agree
oblique trail
DH uti?
wanton saddle
Yeah, I love my Havoc DH that yoink aggro midpull and die every pull 
oblique trail
What being able to take care of incorp easier?
shy knot
Magic dmg increase also
oblique trail
Wtf kind of DH utility are you thinking of that makes warrior look bad
oblique trail
Magic dmg increase also
And warrior gives 5% AP that further buffs the meta classes rn
deep niche
thats*
molten spear
i meanwarrior do that since vanilla, even now and we do half the damage @wanton saddle
deep niche
yea half damage since vanilla 
wanton saddle
I'll be honest outside of a Fury going absolute turbomong off the rip generally threat isn't a problem
molten spear
@oblique trail i mean that's COPIUM, chaos brand>battleshout usually
wanton saddle
but in that case you deserve to die
oblique trail
How is that copium xd?
You have been complaining about DH, Rogue and Hunter
wtf do they need Chaos Brand for
molten spear
saying that we buff meta classes... like who cares
oblique trail
I don't understand what you're trying to say
subtle lagoon
A whole lot of people complain and are upset about the fact that BM, DH and Rogu...
The lower ilvl bit is incredibly stupid, guy with 10 lower ilvl dunking on me in raid/m+. That doesn't make any sense.
shy knot
Yeah
oblique trail
But I don't think buffing warrior, or every other spec for that matter, is the solution
shy knot
Their power isnt so much item based
oblique trail
When there are very clear outliers
shy knot
430 shitters already doing big dmg
oblique trail
People see other specs doing big numbers and immediately the typical response is just "buff us too"
upbeat blade
battle shout is kinda stonks with how powerful melee is this tier
shy knot
Not stonks enough
shy knot
Nobody ever said “we need a warrior now”
azure mesa
prepare to be mad about demo locks too. probably will start seeing more of them in pugs now
shy knot
Theres also the issur of prot providing it
proud crown
the only issue I see atm is the lego cost cause im broke
azure mesa
Theres also the issur of prot providing it
same for chaos brand though. and veng is the most popular tank atm
azure mesa
🤷♂️
errant vessel
that's more of a veng being op while prot being the worst
azure mesa
player perception is a bitch.
can time 25s without much trouble with all kinds of comps atm
25s actually
saying this tier is more imbalanced than last is a little crazy imo
subtle lagoon
I will say that it's better now than the shitshow when Aug was introduced, some more nerfs/tuning will make it even better.
oblique trail
It's also pretty disingenuous to say it's not imbalanced to a pretty crazy degree either
azure mesa
everyone is crazy
this is true
but yeah, i dont think this tier is "imbalanced to a crazy degree"
azure mesa
also a touch too early to make that call anyhow
subtle lagoon
I'm gonna be fotm player
Then the class you roll into gets insta nerfed
errant vessel
idk I don't think last season balance was as bad as this
at the very highest key levels yes
but at a general level you could very easily outperform one of the good specs
which isn't true this season
spare otter
we're not too far off from havoc and bm
How tho?
The DH nerf is 5% in aoe with fel barrage
And less without fel barrage
Like that's fuck all tbh
subtle lagoon
I think it was pretty bad, basically majority of key levels high and low wanted exodia comp. No reason to not get one of the good specs to complete the synergy.
sonic umbra
Does anybody know what build to play before u got Your 2/4 set? Every guide is about havibg 4set, and what about You does nit have one?
oblique trail
Does anybody know what build to play before u got Your 2/4 set? Every guide is a...
If you have no T31 yet, just play the season 2 build but without the BT focused talents
spare otter
the immolation aura nerf is 12%
Yes I'm saying overall in m+ it's only 5%
molten spear
@azure mesa im saying the recount is way more imbalanced than last tier. as i said exspecially in a bit lower keys you could easly bet a mage or a spriest, depending on the dungeon. now a very bad dh/hunter/rogue can easly do 30% more than you
oblique trail
Unless you have T30, then keep the BT talents
spare otter
And that's with fel barrage lol
Most DHs don't even take fel barrage
So it's Less than 5%
flat sapphire
How big of a difference is the legendary axe
oblique trail
Roughly 5-6%~ compared to a 489 weapon
You can sim it on raidbots through gear compare or with the string for it
molten spear
@azure mesa meta itself can be more balanced, exspecially cause most keys you just need to survive to time them, but numers in recount wise is way more imbalance than last tier
spare otter
Like they're still S tier
sonic umbra
The problem is i dont have any set items
flat sapphire
You can sim it on raidbots through gear compare or with the string for it
Oh whats the string
oblique trail
let me find it
shy knot
You can play 2p2p
spare otter
I don't think we catch up until we have leggo
shy knot
I did its not bad
flat sapphire
nvm you can actually just search for it in gear compare now
oblique trail
The problem is i dont have any set items
You can do dream surge and time rifts for gear you can catalyse for free into t30 gear, so you have something until you get the new set
azure mesa
<@562080922891976715> meta itself can be more balanced, exspecially cause most k...
you do have to be careful only looking at damage meters in game. especially this tier. overalls get scuffed in some of these keys with some pretty crazy damage amps
oblique trail
I mean
sure
But if you exclude Throne, EB and BRH
It still favours the outliers where they are very often just always going to be ahead
shy knot
The highest warrior pumpers cant touch DH most of the time
azure mesa
it just can distort things is all im saying and you should look deeper than just your own personal damage meters when forming these kinds of opinioins
molten spear
@azure mesa yeah, that's what i try to use to mitigate damage and i can't even do that, even with full cds in damage amp ain't no way i can compete
spare otter
The highest warrior pumpers cant touch DH most of the time
Dw they can now with the 5% nerf 👍
azure mesa
im really not talking to you. more to the guy who said hes very mad
oblique trail
But the point of just looking at the damage meter is a very general statement, no?
azure mesa
i understand there is imbalance. but i think there is a bit of an overreaction happening
molten spear
like damage amp in a 24 brh yesterday, full cds with lust and pot on last boss. i did 400 k. dh and hunter both 450 or something
i don't even know if they had cds
oblique trail
I don't think you've played with enough somewhat decent players who've played the outlier specs then but fair enough
spare otter
like damage amp in a 24 brh yesterday, full cds with lust and pot on last boss. ...
Probably didn't have CDs tbh lol
shy knot
Yuup
azure mesa
I don't think you've played with enough somewhat decent players who've played th...
no ive been gapped by them too
subtle lagoon
Decent players playing fotm specs absolutely roll anyone else even if they're good
molten spear
the overeaction to a 30% imbalance in keys overall?
i'd say there is an undereacton, that's why i wrote in the first place
azure mesa
well, earlier you were saying 50% more
molten spear
50 at same skill level
spare otter
I mean I just don't like seeing all the same classes all the time
And even if I do see some classes I don't usually see
Why would I bother taking them instead of DH,rogue, hunter, etc
sullen dove
what is happening
errant vessel
what is happening
Dawn of the Infinite: Murozond's Rise
sullen dove
infite
sonic umbra
I don't think you've played with enough somewhat decent players who've played th...
Im able to obtain 2 set t31 but is IT worht to play latest talents with only 2 set?
near gust
for me it was by decent margin
abstract leaf
@azure mesa In 25+ keys, DHs do around 40% more DPS than most other DPS specs
Which with the nerfs will probably be around 33% now
clever belfry
what is happening
rise
icy topaz
its funny af
clever belfry
<@562080922891976715> In 25+ keys, DHs do around 40% more DPS than most other DP...
demo can actually kinda compete in those
oblique trail
Im able to obtain 2 set t31 but is IT worht to play latest talents with only 2 s...
You can, although you might see better results playing the season 2 talents until you have 4p of t31
abstract leaf
@clever belfry Yeah that's true; hence "most" other DPS specs
clever belfry
people are really sleeping on that spec
abstract leaf
DH is a lot more consistent than demo though imo
oblique trail
@clever belfry owo
clever belfry
uwu
abstract leaf
But demo has huge potential in keys; it's crazy
oblique trail
people are really sleeping on that spec
I got gapped by a demo quite often during the first 2 weeks
Was not fun
molten spear
prob demo is a bit harder to play in keys than dh? idk
clever belfry
yeah but it's not HARD
oblique trail
Meanwhile told "but warlock isn't good this tier for once"
abstract leaf
Yes but there's also more conditions for them to pump that hard, whereas a DH will get their damage out regardless on any type of pack
clever belfry
Warlocks will whine until they're S tier again
abstract leaf
Warlock: is low key S tier
clever belfry
or ""find"" a build 2days before patch that is good oh no!
errant vessel
tends to be like that with the triple dps classes
mage is surprisingly out of S tier right now
shy knot
Not for long prolly
molten spear
i mean rogue is very good very often
wanton saddle
Because of what they bring to the key in regards to control and shroud
errant vessel
I mean rogue has had more patches in S than not I feel
molten spear
yeah
subtle lagoon
Rogue has always been solid
abstract leaf
Either S or A(+) tier pretty much every season the last few years
errant vessel
hunter is either giga garbo or giga broken
abstract leaf
At least one of their specs
errant vessel
no inbetween
wanton saddle
Especially if you're playing casters to carry damage/hunter since you're playing with long kicks
spare otter
I'm telling you windwalker is sleeper op with that 6% buff
errant vessel
Windwalkers <:keks:936231610850897992>
I'd be playing that spec if it had a dev
clever belfry
I'm telling you windwalker is sleeper op with that 6% buff
if they forgot to add a 0 i agree
errant vessel
but someone smoking fentanyl decided to make a tiger statue and bring fae stomp into dragonflight
clever belfry
fae stomp is pretty
errant vessel
it's horrible to play though xd
subtle lagoon
Their single target sims atm is abysmal in bis gear, idk how the devs can go to sleep everyday knowing what a garbage dump it is
clever belfry
they're used to it
molten spear
yeah they are, it's sad
near gust
i would 100% play waindwalker if it wasnt so bad
spare otter
Meta slaves smh
wanton saddle
Everyone wants to play Warlock until affliction is meta
molten spear
i love affli, but they need to make dots good again
molten spear
i would play it if they return to that, wich is ipossible to balance but very fun
wanton saddle
they've been forced to play BrM/MW
spare otter
But they don't exist...
wanton saddle
or they're doing Shadowlands dailies
subtle lagoon
I think I've seen a 3k io one in a group the other day
spare otter
Lmfao
subtle lagoon
But they're a very rare spec
spare otter
I've rarely seen DKs either
wanton saddle
I'm too fuckin stupid to remember combos 
molten spear
it's just muscle memeory tho
spare otter
I've never touched monk before but don't you just do the spinning kick thing and fly to top dps
errant vessel
I've never touched monk before but don't you just do the spinning kick thing and...
no but it looks like that from the outside
in SL s3 that was the rotation though
after ramping
wraith wharf
sometimes i forget monks are a class
errant vessel
no but in SL you didn't care about mastery in burst window
spare otter
That's kinda cool tbh
I'd never play monk tho
Outside of that ability
I think most of their abilities look like visual garbage
plucky ice
monk is a dumb class that should've never been added
wraith wharf
they had a neat single target rotation at one point, not sure about now
errant vessel
they had a neat single target rotation at one point, not sure about now
no there's a lot of clipping involved as well as just rng uptime of dmg buff
lavish grove
demo can actually kinda compete in those
Yea, demo is actually sleeper (maybe) OP
lavish grove
monk is a dumb class that should've never been added <:keks:936231610850897992>
Brewmaster is in top 3 my favorite specs in the game
errant vessel
I think most of their abilities look like visual garbage
I hecking love Rising Sun Kick
we press less buttons this season than last though? :o
lavish grove
Sck is cool too
spare otter
Idk feel like all of their abilities lack impact
Like see when you press execute?
You feel that right?
errant vessel
don't forget Raging Blow 
spare otter
Might hit like a wet noodle but you feel it
errant vessel
wat
summer idol
Mastery or vers. comsumables and runes are best on Fury? Any way to sim it?
clever path
mastery
fallow pasture
with the new build is it guild to be haste vers again for fury?
or we still mastery?
clever path
true
errant vessel
with the new build is it guild to be haste vers again for fury?
haste has gotten worse this tier, but as always just sim it
spare otter
Yea I like that about arms but that spec is just way too slow for me
wraith wharf
seeing 400k BB crits below 35% is fun too
clever path
ture
summer idol
Yes I only play M+
lavish grove
Yea I like that about arms but that spec is just way too slow for me
Idk how current arms is slow
summer idol
Bladestorm build feels clunky to me and FoB feels boring
fathom wolf
Fury slower than arms this tier. No dead globals in Arms. Sometimes you got nothin to hit in fury for .5 seconds
spare otter
Rarely get dead globals as fury
barren dagger
why did they change spear visuals?
cloud jungle
subtle lagoon
Yeah fury is definitely slower than last season, Probably not as high apm as havoc rn
But idk how havoc plays
wanton saddle
I could go for them having a little bit less burst
wraith wharf
why did they change spear visuals?
because the old covenant spells didn't really match the classes themselves, and being talents people suggested they should redo the visuals to be more inline with the classes
wanton saddle
having to constantly blow Challenging Shout makes me want to rage
lavish grove
Doesn't fit class fantasy in my head
wraith wharf
also tinfoil theory - they want to try to erase anything that reminds people shadowlands exist
wanton saddle
Havoc rn feels like Survival in SL Blow your shit, pull aggro die go agane
subtle lagoon
Havoc rn feels like Survival in SL <:keks:936231610850897992> Blow your shit, pu...
still end up 50k-100kdps ahead overall
lavish grove
More like don't die cuz this class is immortal
wanton saddle
Granted the reroll tax is pretty harsh on Veng
The amount of individuals that just walk up and free-proc a death make me laugh watching some guild keys
plucky ice
hero class so it's fine 
lavish grove
shy knot
Warrior is peasant class so the B-C tier is perfect
plucky ice
ooga
shy knot
Idk about that but if so, good
somber radish
Good question i'm running fury sometimes with my arms gear with 6k haste, I deal no damage xD
errant pond
xD I have way to much haste myself I think I'm like 35% or something
I really like the new build in raid but I'm not enjoying m+ as much
willow cradle
what should our %s look like this season
There is no good answer since we all have different gear, to be optimal just Sim top gear
willow cradle
Yeah pins
willow cradle
For us yee
shell jackal
less valid for other classes? less competition on it now?
clever belfry
its the same
shell jackal
or do i have to roll against plebs 
clever belfry
thats the point
shell jackal
ok
clever belfry
they just wanted it to feel less random
shell jackal
yeah ignore me i think i'm just being autistic
brittle phoenix
Eta gg
plucky ice
with our loot system id lose augur to a spriest, omegakeks
shell jackal
i failed math but thank you for helping me out
clever belfry
dw i dropped out of physics
meager gyro
I still have cigs
plucky ice
have to get it from vault , or never probs
wild mural
get fucked DH nerds
plucky ice
digital bronze
when you cast odyns fury are you supposed to get avatar buff? i'm not seeing it on my buff bars
i have titans torment talented
wild mural
good by DH's Warrior number 1
digital bronze
oh, weird, swapped off talent and swapped back and it worked
shell jackal
a DH is still beating you there tho 
wild mural
a DH is still beating you there tho <:sadge:820202363359854633>
hes gonna get fucked
wraith hazel
Why does it feel so odd that even tho I’m on 24% vers, the sims still favors it. Despite being as low as 26% haste. Is it augurys scaling with vers that keeps the sim favoring vers?
shell jackal
hahahaha damn right he is
wild mural
hes like such a giganerd DH player tho
He literally plays nothing else
same for the lock at no1
hes the single best warlock I've ever seen
slim coral
hes the single best warlock I've ever seen
thd woud like to talk to you
Xerwo would like to chat
wild mural
the last good warlock I saw online was sparkuggz why did he have to quit
near gust
@wraith hazel do you have hourglass trinket by any chance?
i think it fucks with haste sims
wraith hazel
Nah. I got catalysmic and augury
compact crater
augury gets nerfed by 33% no?
wild mural
50% buff to proc rate tho
so i guess we'll see how much of a difference it actually makes
signal falcon
Why does it feel so odd that even tho I’m on 24% vers, the sims still favors it....
Trinket effects like that do scale with vers yes
signal falcon
Whether that’s why sim wants vers is beyond me to say though
near gust
i know statweights are outdated but i did anyways and with 23% haste it sims at like 0.6 and rest 0.9-0.8
it presers gear with mastery/vers too
regal elm
Simyoself
astral path
:)))))
eternal sundial
it presers gear with mastery/vers too
cuz vers is good for fury
just topgear and follow that
clear thicket
what enchant do you guys put on weapons? wafting ont he one, sophic on the other?
digital bronze
running double wafting atm, but i think i might gain 500 dps from earthen writ on one
clear thicket
just saw in faq that its soph + waft. Soz for the question ^^
digital bronze
can always try simming to see what is best for ur character
clear thicket
just started playing, haven't got that much gear yet
am running in 428 gear with 2 crafted pieces and 2 set atm
so
^^
wild mural
im using wafting/sophic cause im too lazy to sim
lavish grove
what enchant do you guys put on weapons? wafting ont he one, sophic on the other...
Sophic+wafting sims the best for me
full viper
Hey guys, what two embellishments are you all using ?
fading sky
Dh die dh
random raptor
Main stat priority for M+ and for raid?
fading sky
Str
random raptor
Its mastery/haste for m+, mastery/vers for raid correct?
static root
mastery vers sims highest
upper mica
gore butcher is simming higher than branch of tormented?
calm mantle
Should be better then ashkandur if I 8/8 right?
eternal sundial
Ilvl always wins in aoe
upper mica
yeah more damage
fading sky
I mean
upper mica
do we just ignore sims on trinks and focus on bloodmallet?
fading sky
It wins in looks
fading sky
do we just ignore sims on trinks and focus on bloodmallet?
No?
Geta
Aug signet if raid
upper mica
im running might + branch but sims show block is like 1.8k dps higher than branch
fading sky
Block?
calm mantle
Also question about mob clearing, I noticed sometimes fi I use recklessnmess or avatar on mob packs its not up for boss. Is there timing to this?
upper mica
butchers block
upper mica
Also question about mob clearing, I noticed sometimes fi I use recklessnmess or ...
very situational... you need to kind of make judgment calls imo
fading sky
What do u sim?
upper mica
patchwerk
fading sky
St? 5min?
upper mica
yea
fading sky
Well weird its not supposed to be
upper mica
my point exactly!
desert cloud
Abatakam ngl
fading sky
Id prob resim it check talent build
queen peak
So you basically even out all other stats except Mastery, right? I am currently a bit lost about what sec stat to increase except mastery. Any guidance or insights to share?
upper mica
mastery=vers>crit=haste (haste dropping past 25%)
fading sky
I got 20 crit 26 haste 55 mastrt 17 versa or somethin like that
upper mica
talent build is normal as well
fading sky
Spear is king!. Ngl hate it but still use it😅
upper mica
spear is good for raid iirc but not so much m+
upper mica
yea i use roar
fading sky
And spear was purely pvp
quaint stag
Roar is slightly behind on st but not that big from what archi said. I honestly don’t mind spear this tier for the st fights you use it on
upper mica
yeah i just stick to roar... i cant be bothered with spear cause i know ill screw it up lol
ok simming it now and ill link when done
fading sky
Roar is slightly behind on st but not that big from what archi said. I honestly...
True spear bosses are ok bosses to use it
So far that is
🤣, only at nymue
clever path
hey, i have to improve something. maybe can anyone help me? https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4A6ZcMamn3LqbyfX#fight=last&type=summary
quaint stag
True spear bosses are ok bosses to use it
I could see smolderon being hit or miss depending on rings and where you’re standing when you send it
fading sky
Ye, i think u hold it like 5 seconds anyways for amps
I guess u gotta learn seeing rings arent random
upper mica
dont get me wrong... i hate 2 on use lol
but every fibre of my being is sayign dont be stupid dont use the block lol
and on bloodmallet its rated so low in comparison to both might and branch
upper mica
ideally i just replace branch with signet brand lol
upper mica
augury would be better either way
upper mica
hahaha eys
i think ill just go block for now.. and then eventually try get rezan or augury
upper mica
if im only doing heroic and mythic + i think either work
upper mica
i saw it drop... just not for me 😦
fading sky
Or 30 actually
barren dagger
is it worth getting fresh meat on a M+ build? not sure what to drop
upper mica
already ahead of you
fading sky
Coz oh id then only flight stoned
upper mica
my OH is raid finder incandescent
fading sky
Sadge
upper mica
i need to run BRH for the waycrest
upper mica
this is true... lol
fading sky
But any 483 will do
plucky ice
all, theres like 3 dungs weps
fading sky
Like we need all stats
fading sky
Brh -rise - tot?
plucky ice
yea
upper mica
hahaha i know what u mean!
plucky ice
i feel like theres 0
upper mica
and doubel wafting on weps!!! 🤮
upper mica
i normally run one of each
fading sky
1 of each
plucky ice
ended up putting a superbloom wep on OH lmao
fading sky
Better in multi target
plucky ice
atleast it shields me from damage
fading sky
Smart😆
upper mica
even have BiS belt but cause of the shadowflame simming so well it never sims and says to put belt on lol
447 belt beats a 470 belt in sims thanks to shadowgflame lol
upper mica
yes i should lol
yeah i am furious at myself for that lol
so now im 4 weeks away from replacing both lol
upper mica
but i think next week ill make the max cloak and then put shadowflame on that and then put BiS belt on
upper mica
just means waiting another 2 weeks on top to get vers bracers lol
fading sky
Its not a huuuge difference dmg wise tbh
Bracers with flame are prob same dmg in st if not more
Its just versa is a bit more defensd
upper mica
TBH i have a fair amount of gear that is "BIS"
helm wep gloves belt(in bag) shoudlers pants chest 1 trink
maybe not best ilvl... but BiS lol
fading sky
I mean bis relates to the other gear we have as stat value fluxuate
So what ever sims best is current bis
Hardest parts for mr to get this tier
Necks
For both arms set and fury set
upper mica
i got BiS neck too lol
frosty karma
has there been reports of any other person getting the legendary other than the 2 world first region kills, lindwar and me? can I brag with having worlds 4th drop
autumn mica
frosty karma
that was my screenshot
fading bane
gz
frosty karma
i havent equipped it yet
waiting for the right moment to pop the achievement
unlucky
frosty karma
just looking at it makes me mad
you know ill get it on main 2 weeks before season ends
eternal sundial
main dk now un4ch
frosty karma
not that good at playing dk, that would be a loss
and we have a dk main already that is in for all bosses even though everyone says dk sucks and hes still owning 
frosty karma
aboutr 450k i think, i had some stuff on characters
like awakened fire, order, i kept some on crafters because i needed them a lot
it took about <6 hours
could probably do it quicker, lots of afking
most time was superbloom and then during downtime i was server hopping to kill the same 3-4 rares over and over
warm crag
has there been reports of any other person getting the legendary other than the ...
i know of at least a ret paladin that got it
frosty karma
tardy shore
Guys quick question, i'm a returning player. Is Fury worth pre 2/4p set bonus? I feel like i'm low on dps
frosty karma
are you playing t30 talents
clever belfry
id defo play arms before the set
frosty karma
that works too
clever belfry
but yes u gotta be playing old talents before the set
the "new" talent loadout is frankly bad without 2set
tardy shore
Okay got it, tyvm
warm crag
and depressing at best with 2 set
tardy shore
I'm playing the old talents but it feels so bad :p
Atleast looking at details makes me feel bad
warm crag
go play arms then should be better
tardy shore
Even in m+?
warm crag
ye
pick up the fob build or whatever bladestorm build was cooked up recently and you should be doing fine damage
tardy shore
lol thanks for the info guys i'll look it up
errant vessel
I have double 483 ring with socket but really want flavor pocket
am I trolling if I craft flavor pocket ring next week over engi wrists
near gust
im crafting food ring next week too
plucky ice
if you have it already can you just recraft it, or do you need another pocket embe
covert blaze
I have double 483 ring with socket but really want flavor pocket
cant you put flavor pocket on your cloak or something?
oh wait does it count as an embellishment but it doesn't count towards the limit?
warm crag
ye
covert blaze
I forgor 💀
warm crag
ring craft still best probably for 98% of people that didnt get two socketed good rings
shit i need to get my spark
plucky ice
zero ring drops from m+ so far
warm crag
catch me gardening 🧑🌾
plucky ice
yep
clever belfry
catch me gardening 🧑🌾
maybe
do weeklies instead king
and just get it 4 free next week before raid
warm crag
catch me opening my vault and uninstalling my game as i realize that it is time for another tindral prog raid with ashkandur
warm crag
2k maybe
i dont care about the offensive half i do care about the stamina i dont have
the raid doesnt have any dps checks so
frosty karma
i have a leech weapon for offhand but its -1400 dps same itemlvl
but maybe ill equip it anyway on smolderon
good leech value there, especially during intermission
subtle lagoon
This felt good
pure breach
You are the rogue ?
fallen rune
Yo guys, which stats would you recommend on crafted gear?
frosty karma
if its throne or brh kinda useless anyway
pure breach
pure breach
Yo guys, which stats would you recommend on crafted gear?
Would say mastery vers
But you can sim
subtle lagoon
Didn't have cds for oz tbh
terse ether
unreal onyx
im sitting on 1.5k rn, just waiting to have to dump them all on one weapon
warm crag
go farm seeds if you want fast flightstones 🧑🌾
frosty karma
i had to farm seeds to get the flightstones for my gnarlroot weapon
i constantly upgrade stuff in my bags for both specs that only costs flightstones, so that was the bottleneck
like trinkets, multiple boots, etc
plucky ice
perhaps raid bosses should drop a lot more stones
frosty karma
when youneed 1k for a weapon
and dungeons without score increase give like 65
mythic bosses also 65
seeds 15-20 = 3 minute wait
plucky ice
ultra cringe
lavish grove
Just do more dungeons
eternal sundial
and dungeons without score increase give like 65
with "bonus valor" its 85
but thats still CRINGE
frosty karma
yea
sullen basin
just craft something higher on an alt using your free 476 thing and you can get it 50% off!!!
clever path
Hello guys, could you tell me if my secondary stats ok ?
eternal sundial
what does ur sim say
covert blaze
augury fucks
augury fuck good
clever path
what does ur sim say
is this the button?
and sorry for not round circle
I am warrior after all
cerulean laurel
Hi. What is the secondary stats prio for Fury now for M+ and raid?
wicked plinth
Hello guys, could you tell me if my secondary stats ok ?
I think going beyond 25 haste isn’t recommended besides that it’s just summing best stats since weights change
cerulean laurel
I see some saying haste and some saying mastery
wicked plinth
Depends on ilvl I think, t31 (470) should be like vers=mas prio
manic pecan
should i use 2/4 of the new tier and lose the old season one or keep the 4/4 from last season till 4/4 new season?
clever path
Okay, I have no idea how to sim my character and where it says with big letters what should I improve ==D
weak tartan
If I kill fyrakk heroic I dont need to kill it normal for the legendary no?
golden hare
Okay, I have no idea how to sim my character and where it says with big letters ...
a quick sim doesn't do that
top gear shows what items/enchants/gems to use but you have to tell it what to compare
if you're looking at improving at pressing buttons a sim won't tell you what you do wrong but will show you the "optimal priority list" (assuming it is updated)
worldly shard
worth catalysting heroic head?
eternal sundial
yes
muted star
has this changed? I thought if I had one upgraded 2hander the other one wouldnt cost crests anymore, just stones
eternal sundial
crafted prolly fucks with it
muted star
but thats what I did last season, crafted max then the offhand was free
past pivot
but thats what I did last season, crafted max then the offhand was free
Iirc they changed it so it’s both slots now. Next time, it’s cheaper for you.
eternal sundial
i upgraded my mainhand to 483 and got discount of off
it has to be the crafted shit
muted star
yeah somethings screwy, i swapped to arms and it still costs
twilit pelican
try to put crafted in 2 slots
past pivot
these trinks any good?
Rezan is one of the best for ST. Mirror is also considered one of the best but it has that 3-minute cd that many don’t like.
muted star
ok i relogged (fully exited game) and now its fine
a reload didnt do it either
wonder if it wouldve actually made me pay the fee if I tried
or just a visual bug
red yew
Oopsie blizz forgot to include warrior buffs in class tuning :3
modest condor
hehe oopsie
stuck bison
No buffs only nerfs
clear thicket
Would u guys craft a weapon if none drop?
stuck bison
Would u guys craft a weapon if none drop?
Dont do that
Farm m+ for it. Dont give up. Wait for vault
past pivot
I wouldn’t. Just keep grinding dungeons and raid if you can. Gnarl is easy and drops a nice weapon.
Next week should be dungeon event and that should be heroic raid loot on top of vault so another chance. And dungeons have plenty of weapons.
sinful spoke
Yeah keep grinding dungeons 
keen kindle
It's better to grind then waste a spark
shell jackal
rezan's hero track will drop
keen kindle
I have champ rezan's lmao
keen kindle
I just want wyrms man
sinful spoke
I'll take rezans grind over might or gorehowl anyday
I got might and gorehowl
shell jackal
still don't have ravencrest sword
sinful spoke
But not rezans
subtle lagoon
I got all 3
sinful spoke
Or ravencreat sword
eternal sundial
i got stick but no neck yet
keen kindle
throne is fun
After the nerfs yeah throne is good
subtle lagoon
Or ravencreat sword
I'm going for this next
warm crag
<:gladge:963970137701109820> i got stick but no neck yet
Trade me stick and i wont do anything in return
eternal sundial
ass rng POV
agile tiger
What do yall plan-on crafting on tuesday?
keen kindle
Bro still running vial
eternal sundial
Bro still running vial
keen kindle
What do yall plan-on crafting on tuesday?
Ring
eternal sundial
Ting
subtle lagoon
Ting
sinful spoke
<:wokege:878564603137761342> ass rng POV
?
clear thicket
I already have bracers and cloak... So ting next?
keen kindle
So I can get rid of my 447 ring
agile tiger
Ting it is
sinful spoke
keen kindle
Bro at least u have mirrior
keen kindle
....I mean sandglass is still p good
Better then being stuck with SPORES for 2 weeks
eternal sundial
i have spores but the vial sims better
for st i got the BRH trinket the weird one
chrome plover
17 and still no rezans <:yep:703420923625078804>
I did 30 and that felt okay
keen kindle
Probally because spores has garbage alignment
chrome plover
keep grinding
eternal sundial
Probally because spores has garbage alignment
ye my arms uses spores
keen kindle
Even for arms the alignment is trash
sinful spoke
Bro at least u have mirrior
Champ track
shell jackal
i have spores herotrack, sandglass, signet brand, serpent idol, butcher block
sinful spoke
Traded to me
shell jackal
so i cant complain. but still not having rezan's drop sucks
agile tiger
Yall have sandglass? I have spiked counterweight 😖
keen kindle
OOF
agile tiger
Trinkets evade me like women
keen kindle
I only got it traded to me because my blood dk friend didn't need it
After a +20 fall
eternal sundial
Even for arms the alignment is trash
sims well tho
keen kindle
sims well tho
It does but tbh it feels like ass
sinful spoke
I only got it traded to me because my blood dk friend didn't need it
Same
glad tangle
Had sandglass and counterweight until this week… got augury. Feels good
keen kindle
Had sandglass and counterweight until this week… got augury. Feels good
Fuck off with ur augury lmafo
eternal sundial
It does but tbh it feels like ass
idk u usually just get 2 uses of it so might as well sync it on most fights
🤷♂️
keen kindle
2 mins just feels so awkward for warrior
past pivot
I can’t get might or a second 483 for OH. But I’ll get an Augury and leggo axe on Tuesday so it’s all good.
lavish grove
for st i got the BRH trinket the weird one
It's pretty good
eternal sundial
yea but brand is 4k dps uppie
sinful spoke
I can’t get might or a second 483 for OH. But I’ll get an Augury and leggo axe o...
No
eternal sundial
sinful spoke
I get augury signet and lego
shell jackal
I get augury signet and lego
surely
past pivot
I get augury signet and lego
No. You just jinxed it with your bad karma.
subtle lagoon
Oh yeah I forgot I still have raid finder signet
sinful spoke
No. You just jinxed it with your bad karma.
After 88+ with shit drops blizzard will give me lego at least
Surely
glad sparrow
It took me 36 runs of Atal before my Rezan's dropped
shell jackal
i guess i'll queue some more keys when i'm home
tepid forge
do we know if on reset its best to do normal fyrakk for a greater fragment then do a full heroic clear or just do the heroic clear insta?
(locked in mage prison in mythic raids so cant do mythic first)
sinful spoke
Last week i had myth track rezans in vaukt
subtle lagoon
I did normal and heroic and got greater fragments on both
sinful spoke
But had to pick tier
lavish grove
yea but brand is 4k dps uppie
To be expected, brand is op for long fights
sinful spoke
subtle lagoon
Last week i had myth track rezans in vaukt
OOF
past pivot
After 88+ with shit drops blizzard will give me lego at least
I lost 2 rolls for a lfr signet last week. Then lost 1 roll for a normal one and tied for a second. Then I lost that roll. Finally got one with a 100 in heroic. One of the few pieces of raid loot I’ve been able to win on rolls. My rolling has been atrocious. My trinkets were a 467 crab and 463 Rezan
sinful spoke
low folio
so i did an everbloom 20 and my signet trinket did just a little over my rezans fury for overall but i did a 20 murozonds rise and my signet did almsot half the damage im not sure whats happening
sinful spoke
My vault last week
warm crag
do we know if on reset its best to do normal fyrakk for a greater fragment then ...
I assume doing the highest difficulty fyrakk gives you all the greater blp at once but there is no cohesive answer to this and my answer is as good as anyone elses, so probably worthless
sinful spoke
I lost 2 rolls for a lfr signet last week. Then lost 1 roll for a normal one and...
at least u have it
lavish grove
so i did an everbloom 20 and my signet trinket did just a little over my rezans ...
Losing stacks between packs is bad
low folio
so signet for pugs is a no no depending on how the tank pulls
tepid forge
I assume doing the highest difficulty fyrakk gives you all the greater blp at on...
figured as much
subtle lagoon
I'm of the opinion that augury and might is going to be the play in keys
tepid forge
just gonna do a hc clear and call it
glad sparrow
You can probably keep it up between packs this week by using the affix
warm crag
just gonna do a hc clear and call it
This is the route that gives you the least headaches at least
past pivot
so i did an everbloom 20 and my signet trinket did just a little over my rezans ...
Spiteful a good week for Signet in keys. But it can be lackluster in keys if the buff drops off from what I’ve read. So need chain pulls to keep it rolling
clever path
Can you guys explain when do I need to use Avatar (as it procs odyn's fury again)
So for instance, we do first big pull, do I pop Reck > rampage to enrage > odyn AND THEN Avatar?
or i just leave it as situational aoe?
tepid forge
This is the route that gives you the least headaches at least
are u gonna do a normal first? some people in the guild speculating its better, so sad they have not given out any numbers of the % increases
warm crag
Can you guys explain when do I need to use Avatar (as it procs odyn's fury again...
Ideally you use avatar just as the procced avatar expires
low folio
im just gonna replace it with branch for keys
warm crag
are u gonna do a normal first? some people in the guild speculating its better, ...
I personally dont think it makes a difference
past pivot
do we know if on reset its best to do normal fyrakk for a greater fragment then ...
Just do the highest difficulty first if you can. Any lower kills afterward shouldn’t add blp
warm crag
They havent given any reason to believe that Clearing it one way or the other results in greater chances so do whatever, anyone speculating optimal routes is probably talking out of their ass
subtle lagoon
But wait, if you do bosses from lowest to highest, don't you also get a chance for lego to drop? besides blp tokens, since you'll get loot for all of them
sinful spoke
They said heroic uses up all your chances at once
Lfr normal and heroic
If u want 3 individual chances to cope go ahead
subtle lagoon
If u want 3 individual chances to cope go ahead
That's what warriors are good at
clever path
Ideally you use avatar just as the procced avatar expires
you mean procced from odyn's fury right?
and then use avatar
past pivot
The way the evoker leggo worked: if you killed on lfr: like 0.3% blp per kill. Normal: 0.6%. Hc: 0.9%. M: 1.2%
If you just killed it on mythic, you would get 3.0% blp.
If you killed it on lfr then mythic, you’d get 0.3 then 2.7%.
Kill it on mythic then lfr and you get 3.0 and then 0.0%.
And substitute the actual number of the blp which we don’t know.
prime charm
So i got lucky with trinkets this season, i have myth track Porcelain Crab and Hero track Rezan and Might of the Ocean. I see everyone on here talking about Rezan being the best trinket but my sims all point to Crab and Ocean being bis for me in all situations........
quiet geyser
Best is a stretch. 1 of the best farmable, sure
past pivot
So i got lucky with trinkets this season, i have myth track Porcelain Crab and H...
Rezan is ST. Crab is MT.
warm crag
you mean procced from odyn's fury right?
Ye
I also assume youre playing dancing blades since you are enraging first
mental wigeon
hey do u guys makro reck with avatar or odyns? or is it better 2 use them as non makro?
clever path
how will this affect the trout population
covert blaze
hey do u guys makro reck with avatar or odyns? or is it better 2 use them as non...
Don't macro
clever path
how will this affect the trout population
i assume on bosses such as smolderon
its less damage
mental wigeon
@covert blaze kk ty ^^
wooden lagoon
riad bots only shows it as 6k upgrade lol that seams kinda small... for a lego
clever path
do you?
subtle lagoon
That sounds lame af
clever path
didnt archi say cleaving with ww should do it
Mark is a 100% application, non-stacking DoT. Assuming no hidden ICD, Warriors should apply it to multiple targets very easily
frosty karma
i guess that works yea
cleaving obliterates in DND spreads it
but aoe abilities dont
frosty karma
sweep
clever path
and slow ass autoattacks
clever path
🤢
frosty karma
if OP applies, dunno
subtle lagoon
I never use tab target and I have tab keybound to something else lol
frosty karma
476 ilvl with 4 set and legendary axe still doesn't get you invited into civilians +18 keys as a DK
🙂
sinful spoke
Hahahaga
frosty karma
sorry bro only dh rogue hunter aug
vague hazel
if OF comes off cd but reck and spear still have 10 seconds left is it worth holding OF? Or just full send it for to keep cdr rolling?
past pivot
how will this affect the trout population
Pins
chrome plover
if OF comes off cd but reck and spear still have 10 seconds left is it worth hol...
send it
clever belfry
@oblique trail
atomic nymph
didnt archi say cleaving with ww should do it
Can confirm, cleaving with ww insta applies mark to all targets
Could try to make a quick gif
marble schooner
if OF comes off cd but reck and spear still have 10 seconds left is it worth hol...
i think with how low cd is for OF with 4p, waiting 10secs might mean losing a whole OF on the fight
atomic nymph
Could try to make a quick gif
https://gyazo.com/a019bda2f17e4950c7e1bc6c319bf43e ww applying mark to all targets
marble schooner
https://gyazo.com/a019bda2f17e4950c7e1bc6c319bf43e ww applying mark to all targe...
omfg this looks so yummy
primal bane
Is there a cap to the 10% buff per mark?
marble schooner
Everyone has legendary already in here.
nobody has legendary here, only like 3 ppl have it
lol
dull sierra
yea i have it on all 29 warriors
atomic nymph
WW for mark into active, dont feel like the mark thing does much? Might just be final hit
marble schooner
i think leggo will be common in like 3 weeks
primal bane
So you do an Everbloom pull with like 15 mobs then use it does it do way more dmg?
Wait it’s only the final hit that’s buffed by the marks
atomic nymph
Eh actually no, just hit it again with no marks pre-applied and non-crit swings did 17k, as compared to the 27k in gif
so 50% sounds correct
robust widget
Hey Lindwar its me your long lost brother.. so how about the axe uhm.. sharing is caring right?
atomic nymph
I'll transmog it on an alt and drop you the wep, best i can offer chief
sinful spoke
Yes
past pivot
i think leggo will be common in like 3 weeks
lol
past pivot
common as in, one in every like 10 wars will have it
There are evokers who still don't have their leggo after kills every week
marble schooner
There are evokers who still don't have their leggo after kills every week
yeah but they lack swagger
primal bane
Yea that’s just bad luck
And idk about you but I’ve gotten like 1 lesser and 1 greater this week
No clue what that’s going to do but I want mine next week blizz
molten relic
Got a greater from normal fyrakk
And no lessers from any normal or h boss
But killin h fyrakk monday surely I loot leggo and augury
molten relic
Also have m+ chest next week
primal bane
Who am I kidding I’m getting a socket from vault 🙄
atomic nymph
Surely us non- signet people just self bench for mythic to increase odds of it in vault
frosty karma
https://gyazo.com/498c58cf80c8121d4b9972241ad7480b
do you know if you have to run out to get the charge damage portion
i cant tell, damage happens to quick
WW applying marks is kinda unfair
steel shard
Surely us non- signet people just self bench for mythic to increase odds of it i...
you got
lego
frosty karma
its super annoying on DK
atomic nymph
nah, it just does like a heroic leap to target and then starts slashing if you're in ranged, otherwise you stay in place @frosty karma
lament flint
was checking stat weights for fun and haste is simming lowest 😮
past pivot
was checking stat weights for fun and haste is simming lowest 😮
stat weights lol
subtle lagoon
I got 2 greaters
Imagine if the strat was to use the blp tokens right before you kill boss
heavy folio
i ate 3-4 small and 1 big this week
past pivot
Imagine if the blp tokens actually did anything other than serve as a placebo
lament flint
stat weights lol
yeah i know theyre not used anymore, but i was curious cos chevalier belt is simming lower than pretty much all the other belts
sinful spoke
I ate 2 bigs and maybe 2 smalls dont remember
primal bane
Wait so DK and ret pally have an easy way to spread the marks?
sinful spoke
Actually yeah i got one small from mythic and heroic bosses
frosty karma
https://gyazo.com/498c58cf80c8121d4b9972241ad7480b
on unholy its alright, but on frost its despair to apply, I had to tab 2 tabs to get all 5
https://imgur.com/a/8mJSPWO
sinful spoke
on unholy its alright, but on frost its despair to apply, I had to tab 2 tabs to...
This just gave me depression im sorry you have to deal with this
tacit crag
Seems like abilities that require you to hit targets to take effect are what trigger marks
Cause dk DND or whatever can be used and works without hitting anything but ww without hitting anything you don't get the charges of imp ww
steel horizon
wat interface WA do u guys recommend?
frosty karma
On frost dk it's yikes, looks like a bug to me, cleaving obliterations not even spreading it to the 3 targets it hits https://imgur.com/a/r2nSegI
it spread on 2 targets with DND down
tacit crag
wat interface WA do u guys recommend?
I like luxthos because I can modify it easy enough and it has everything. It's also free and updates very consistently for changes. Lot of people in my guild sub for atrocity UI