Pretty sure might is way better than signet for m+
#fury
spare otter
unreal cape
So you only take it for pure ST fights in raid ? And switch to another trinket for MT fights in raid?
spare otter
So you only take it for pure ST fights in raid ? And switch to another trinket f...
I would assume so but I don't have might so
inner zinc
How should I make use of my trinkets? Sync with Avatar or with Odyns?
primal bane
what trinks?
unreal cape
before i got signet brand, i used branch. and might always simmed higher for it on dslice, so i always used it for m+. thought i'd use signet brand all the time once i got it
spare otter
But it just all depends on how long you can pad adds for
inner zinc
Atm i have the spores trinket from everbloom vut im aiming for might
unreal cape
its #1 on bloodmallet, listed as BiS on the wowhead guide, thought that i'd never take that trinket off
spare otter
before i got signet brand, i used branch. and might always simmed higher for it ...
Nope in m+ I use branch over signet since it's just way better for aoe
unreal cape
Nope in m+ I use branch over signet since it's just way better for aoe
might always simmed higher than branch, even in dslice sims etc.
spare otter
Yea then use might, like I said I don't have might
primal bane
signet can be good if you can hold the stack for most of the instance
its like anvil
if stacks drop you lose value
so oceans and even butchers block comes out higher in M+
olive wraith
Branch feels so good
spare otter
Bro fr
inner zinc
Ocean also comes with a sizable chunk of crit
unreal cape
yeah... i'm just a bit disappointed that it's not BiS in M+ / MT. i had a guy in pug offer me 2 wow tokens + 150k gold for it and i didn't take it since i thought this trinket is BiS always
unreal cape
now if i'm only using it half the time.. that 800k gold seems a bit more worth it
spare otter
I'd probably take the gold yea lol
unreal cape
yeah too late now, i equipped it haha
spare otter
My rezans always out DPS my signet even in st
unreal cape
so for multitarget fights in raid, like say tindral - signet will also be worse then ?
spare otter
Ig that's due to the 6 ilvl gap tho
cinder sonnet
can anyone help me with which stat is better to prioritize more rn?
olive wraith
Stacks drop when out of combat?
olive wraith
can anyone help me with which stat is better to prioritize more rn?
Just sim
unreal cape
can anyone help me with which stat is better to prioritize more rn?
just sim. there's no stat prio
spare otter
so for multitarget fights in raid, like say tindral - signet will also be worse ...
I honestly don't know
spare otter
Do you even leave combat when you fly in tindral?
unreal cape
i'm not sure if its only if i leave combat, or if i change target
unreal cape
Do you even leave combat when you fly in tindral?
yeah i'd think so
unreal cape
If it drops only when you leave combat
must be change target, otherwise it would be good for m+
primal bane
in raid aoe is bursty
i would run ST trinks in raid for all fights
i cant think of one fight that has constent cleave for wars
like even council shit is everywhere
1st boss burst down adds
2ns boss burst down spears
council shit fight for fury
unreal cape
so you're saying i can stick with signet brand for whole raid
primal bane
yes
unreal cape
and just play might in M+ then
primal bane
the longer the fight the better the trink
unreal cape
aight
primal bane
right
unreal cape
thx 🙂
primal bane
M+ signet not great
quaint stag
Besides this week I imagine when spiteful adds keeping you in combat makes it easier to keep stacks going
clever path
can you use greater embers now
chrome plover
y
flat river
Besides this week I imagine when spiteful adds keeping you in combat makes it ea...
Its also good on tyrannical weeks
olive wraith
buff fury
olive wraith
100%
chrome plover
some people are trying real hard to keep the havoc/bm nerfs away
unreal cape
if they can play havoc, they're at least 100k above anyone else
eternal sundial
hybrid mulch
Anyone have seen legendary drop?
unreal cape
Lindwar has it
snow storm
There was a guy that posted his armory link with the lego. So it's out there
Prolly just very low drop rate atm because havent seen too many people with it so far
Give it a couple weeks and I'm sure we'll start seeing way more people with it.
unreal cape
but apparently it kinda sucks anyways
lament flint
why on earth doesnt odyns fury 4 sec avatar add to the regular avatar duration
modest condor
it does
olive wraith
unreal cape
cuz its a 3s channel and dmg isn't spectacular
olive wraith
I admit I cheated
chrome plover
at 496 it defo doesnt suck...
snow storm
5% ST DPS increase doesn't suck
flat river
That doesn't make sense
modest condor
it doesnt when you dont read the message im answering
flat river
I did
unreal cape
scroll up, or look for the messages of the user Lindwar - he described his experiences with it earlier
flat river
If u want yo say the opposite
modest condor
then my message should make sense
chrome plover
it does
modest condor
so you didnt read the message i was responding to
lament flint
why am i reading you should use odyns fury before avatar on pull? for the enrage then i guess?
flat river
Then why did he respond to me message
unreal cape
why am i reading you should use odyns fury before avatar on pull? for the enrage...
you cast avatar after OF, so you have longer uptime of the bleed dot applied from OF. then also your BT's will decrease OF's cooldown. maybe i'm missing something, but thats my understanding
unreal cape
no, you should wait 3-4 secs before casting avatar
so when OF bleed dot is about to run out, you cast avatar
lament flint
oh i see
unreal cape
cuz enemies hit by OF take an additional bleed DOT over 4 secs
lament flint
so ideally i need two macros, where one is after pull that is just /reck /avatar
flat river
No
lament flint
fuck
flat river
Recklessness then odyns
unreal cape
always OF first, before dot runs out (3-4secs) you cast avatar
flat river
always OF first, before dot runs out (3-4secs) you cast avatar
After recklessness
lament flint
yeah but reck and avatar are both 1.5m cds, OF is changing all the time
lament flint
so basically i can just have /reck /of /avatar, and if OF is on cooldown whatever
ive been spamming rampage and raging blow for a year, this new shit takes some getting used to
no wait u said wait 3-4 secs
fuck
glacial haven
Titanic rage for m+ and dancing blades for raid?
unreal cape
yeah, you want to wait, not insta cast avatar right after OF
unreal cape
Titanic rage for m+ and dancing blades for raid?
generally, yeah
clever path
unreal cape
OF applies a bleed for 4 sec, cast avatar when the bleed is about to run out
glacial haven
Cheers bud 👍
unreal cape
or just count 3 secs in your head then cast avatar
cuz avatar also casts OF, then it gets reapplied
lament flint
so i guess pull macro is /reck /of, wait 4 secs, cast avatar manually
then in the middle of a dungeon when i need burst i have a macro with /reck /avatar, unless OF is off cooldown, then i gotta cast avatar manually xD
snow storm
Still feels omega weird to not play ravager in keys. RA over AM feels even weirder.
unreal cape
idk, i personally am not using any macro for pull or otherwise
clever path
No pull macro
unreal cape
i just reckless, charge in, OF etc.
lament flint
i havent been either, but with all the new things to keep track of i was wanting to make the transition smoother
unreal cape
also you want to charge with reckless, if you ahve a macro that casts reckless and OF, where is your charge?
lament flint
well often times tanks in raid are pulling the boss somewhere and theres a chance you will be out of range, so i dont charge with reck.
until the boss is where its supposed to be tanked
unreal cape
just position yourself accordingly, so you can charge in with reckless. there's a pull timer usually so you have time to move if needed
lament flint
i guess u right, but i havent been doing it :/
unreal cape
or you wait untill boss is moved where its gonna stand, then charge in
primal bane
I’m lazy I macro reck, avatar and roar together
primal bane
Another key bind
lament flint
honestly though unless youre trying to consistently 99% parse uber min max, how much dps do you lose on one tick of the bleed ?
im a filthy casual
primal bane
I just charge swifty macro then I OF
unreal cape
honestly though unless youre trying to consistently 99% parse uber min max, how ...
yeah i mean its probably not that big of a deal if you dont do it, just more dps if you do
but its fine
can just do it your way, and improve later on if you want to
surreal blaze
Trying to balance my stats with all the influx of new gear pre-min/max, how high would y'all think we wanna keep our Base Haste? Currently 21.5% and it feels kinda ass compared to my S2 30%
lament flint
yeah thats what i was thinking, since this new rotation is such an upheaval on a pretty ingrained set of buttons i am used to press 😄
thanks for your input though, appriciated!
unreal cape
btw, does anyone else have this bug OFTEN where it only shows one of your 2 weapons on your back/hands ?
primal bane
You have professions equipment showing
You can talk to an NPC to turn that off
I can’t remember who it is
primal bane
Check your buffs
surreal blaze
I hate the profession equipment "buff"
unreal cape
yeah i remember there's a npc for it, but idk who it was
oh yeah " dressed in herbalist equipment "
tender forge
btw, does anyone else have this bug OFTEN where it only shows one of your 2 weap...
Jealous of that wep
surreal blaze
Seek out Mahra Treebender in Valdrakken at 31.5 64.6
unreal cape
Jealous of that wep
yeah dude, i was super lucky today and got the incadescent soulcleaver from heroic smolderon . when i upgraded it to 6/6 Hero, so 483 ilvl, i unlocked the mythic transmog appearance, which is super cool since that sword is just amazing
i love it
surreal blaze
i dont see any other equip, do you?
person is right to the right of the enchanter ppl
just turned it off myself lol
Annoyed TF outta me
unreal cape
person is right to the right of the enchanter ppl
Thanks m8 - that did it!!
tender forge
yeah dude, i was super lucky today and got the incadescent soulcleaver from hero...
Absolutely huge bro, my Weps are 460 and 447, passed on a 473 from vault for 4 set
unreal cape
i thought it was a bug since DF lol
surreal blaze
nah, a stupid lil, ooh aah profession thing
Put on my thinking hat every time I craft >.<
fathom vine
What is the accepted wisdom when it comes to simming for M+? 5 Patchwerks? How long?
past pivot
Or do both types and compare
fathom vine
How would I know what to conclude if I did that?
past pivot
See what the similarities and discrepencies are
rare fjord
and how would comparing their differences give an actionable answer as to which is better/accurate?
past pivot
Seeing what others run in the same key level. Seeing which is recommended for shorter burst vs onger burst, etc. What aligns closer to normal top gear, etc
Same as running top gear M+ sims of varying times and comparing and contrasting. More data points to extrapolate info from if you wanted
Just an option if you liek doing that kinda stuff. Some do, some don't.
tacit viper
someone has a bis list for me maybe?
past pivot
check pins and wowhead guides
light stump
if I go smf this tier bc I do not like the new rotation
is the rotation the same as last tier?
past pivot
Same rotation, just less damage
light stump
Same rotation, just less damage
well more than titan + old tier set, right?
I'm actually not quite sure - why is smf viable, but old tier is not?
cyan jay
I'm here with that age old gripe, why don't I do enough damage. My DPS is always on the low side, but not if I get to the fight first, and pop off rotation as normal. Issue I have is on raids, I tend to move out of damage and I don't know when to take the smaller hits, I just don't want to burden healers.
I was asked to leave for final boss on a guild raid, normal, because it was too low. My ilvl is 449.
I think I'm going to give up. A game like a job...I hate being shit, I am good at most things, but apparently not DPS in WoW dragonflight.
cloud jungle
chrome plover
yeah
tender forge
I'm here with that age old gripe, why don't I do enough damage. My DPS is always...
Do you have 4 set, what's your weapon item level and have you checked your talent set up against warcraft logs for each fight
Best to check what the top guys are doing
cyan jay
I don't have the 4 set, I have baby twins, so I have to rely on gear from the vault once a week, if I am lucky,. took me a long time to get 4 set on last season. I guess I just want to moan really. I could spend time on the dummies and maybe move back to an onslaught build, but seriously, I love the playstryle but maybe I just need to go a BM and hit 2 buttons.
I use 2 x 2h weapons, Always using execute when it pops
Always trying to keep enrage up obviously, an yway, if there's a common mistake people make, let me know2, maybe it's something like that
light stump
If I'm going SMF - what talents do I give up to go shockwave?
tender forge
I use 2 x 2h weapons, Always using execute when it pops
Make getting 4 set a priority as well as better weapons, execute takes a backseat to bloodbath and rampage so only use it when you can't cast either of those
chrome plover
I dont think the class tree would change at all when playing smf
tender forge
But I get it I'm busy to it's hard to keep up like I used to be able to
cyan jay
Make getting 4 set a priority as well as better weapons, execute takes a backsea...
Yeah I keep rampage then bloodbath. pretty pants when your guild running with 12 dps tells you to drop out at Fyrrak on a normal raid. DPS is pants perhaps but it's not like I'm stealing a spot.
cyan jay
Make getting 4 set a priority as well as better weapons, execute takes a backsea...
Thanks mate 🙂
tender forge
Yeah that sucks man sorry that happened , just keep at it you'll get better , enjoying playing is the most important thing anyway , good luck bud 💪
unreal onyx
BM having their pets do 86% of their overall in m+ sure is fun
hsa it always been like this? never really looked at BM dmg breakdowns
lunar cape
Used to be more
cyan jay
if i head to the dummies, what's the damage i'm looking at
past pivot
??
tardy lark
hes on alt dk
willow cradle
LOL
past pivot
Former alt more like it
lunar cape
Nice knowing you. Have fun being a dk main now
tidal kindle
🫵
dire badge
🫵
tardy lark
dk still down bad enough that you arent gonna play that even with leggo xd
glad tangle
lol grats? New dk main
frosty karma
i am so fucking mad
zenith moat
:kekw:
steel shard
balmy shore
LOL
clever path
If I'm going SMF - what talents do I give up to go shockwave?
what? smf and shockwave are in 2 different trees
i have no clue what would u drop for smf
tidal kindle
on shit alt ive been playing for 1 week
Legendary is why im not playing the second warrior this patch
frosty karma
cant wait to run super bloom 100 times because i dont have 2000 ppl from stream helping mer with the buff item
cyan jay
2 x 2h weapons or 2 x 1h weapons with single minded fury and dual specialisation traits?
sage depot
Smf question, that's bait
lunar cape
But that 1h axe from.fyrak looks so nice
sage depot
Small weapon energy
lunar cape
** Tank weapon energy tyvm
dawn pivot
how do you guys set your WA to tell you when to use rampage->bt and when to bt->rampage->bt?
or at which rage should I do the combo
covert void
Curious, at what point do you guys use your trinkets now?
glad tangle
I have accelerated and augury so no on use trinks at moment
unreal onyx
depends on the trinket, innit?
covert void
just got might, finally. Made me wonder.
unreal onyx
yes, it's better than vial since it doesn't deplete
sage depot
More str means bigger numbers
unreal onyx
it's less str than vial
glad tangle
Ahhh nice. Back to ttot 
unreal onyx
but vial is more for like 1 button
covert void
mines just on my avatar macro atm too tbf
unreal onyx
my 447 vial is 350 str more than my 467 might
fair oasis
any reason at all to use WW before slam as the filler on ST with st build?
fair oasis
gotcha, so WW is strictly used when u need filler and slam is on its 6 sec cd
Will i ever want to separate recklessness and avatar in keys or st raid situations? or can i make a macro combining them now
untold moth
You want to rek charge ramp OF on raid
sage depot
Yeah don't macro that
fair oasis
i assumed the opener shown on wowhead is wrong and we dont want to avatar before charging in on opener?
viral maple
on shit alt ive been playing for 1 week
Sounds like a new main to me
fair oasis
sicne running Titan's Torment
trail bane
Reck -> Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> BB -> Ramp -> BB -> Avatar -> continue normal rotation
something like that
fair oasis
ty
trail bane
maybe get another ramp in before Avatar depending on your haste
you want the bleed from OF to fall off (or be at 1 second)
fair oasis
where to slot in potion? before the rampage?
trail bane
I do it while charging
Oh right, you also want to fit a spear or a roar in there as well
Ive seen the sims use spear before the first OF, i usually use it with Avatar
But before first OF is probably better
unreal onyx
i assumed the opener shown on wowhead is wrong and we dont want to avatar before...
why would you do that
you will throw a OF into nothing with that
- you don't even get any benefit like rage gen from avatar
fair oasis
i wouldn't, hence the question.
not sure if there was potentially some techy shit i dont know about
placid violet
yeah, these "check pins, its in the guide" comments you get for 95% of questions doesnt help when the guide is straight up wrong
rare fjord
Is it me or the the ST upgrade of OF works better than the AoE one?
rotund ginkgo
any1 knows how much does shaman lose from going wf totem in m+?
frosty karma
how am i supposed to do all this shit on a dead server, i had to solo a rare with 23million hp even though i put it into group finder 
and i didntk now you have to tether before pulling the rare you cant use the item infight
so I spent 8 minutes killing it for nothing
rotund ginkgo
sounds like skill issue
astral path
frosty scroll
lunar cape
olive wraith
gotta go fast
teal sable
'Cause of our 4PC effect does Crit have more value for us now?
past pivot
'Cause of our 4PC effect does Crit have more value for us now?
Depends on gear. For some, it does. For others, it's vers or haste. It's a sim question
primal bane
if you take bloodcraze i think you can go heavy on the ver mastery but def sim
teal sable
Anyone dropped the leggo?
primal bane
Lindwar has one
modest condor
@frosty karma got one
hard sluice
can somebody try and explain this to me?
past pivot
Explain what?
lunar cape
It's just a large crit buff idk what you're looking for
frosty karma
they buffed it good
i server hopped and looted boss 3 times for 6 leafes
~7 superblooms left
covert blaze
lunar cape
Sad that's it's every hour tho
lunar cape
Does it accept the 70r or only the other ones?
frosty karma
i dont know
i killed 3 reares without tethering because i didntk now you can only use the quest item before combat
the rares are the problem
covert blaze
what kind of rares?
rotund ginkgo
didnt even try to farm rezans
covert blaze
any 70?
dark ice
Can you log in to bnet ?
login session expired due to new terms but cant get in even if I agree
light stump
what does the new tier set do to make us want annihilator?
young swan
make us want to press BT enough that pressing RB frequently would be bad
light stump
but even the SMF ( RB) build goes annihilator
young swan
there arent RB builds anymore really
olive wraith
but even the SMF ( RB) build goes annihilator
?
olive wraith
lol
slim pollen
Also, the points re-located for odyn's fury and bt breaks the rb build, so you lean into it and go full bt/anni
dark ice
mild merlin
hey, do we have any macro for opener and shit?
dark ice
Yes
young swan
no
dark ice
Only macro you'll need
young swan
dont use that
warm crag
leave my key immediately
dark ice
wtf
dark ice
what a censureship
young swan
dont spread misinformation pls ty
dark ice
give it back
lavish grove
dark ice
so I cant have my own opinion now huh
past pivot
#showtooltip Battle Shout
/cast Battle Shout
/use Celebration Firework
/use Dreambound Augment Rune
warm crag
spreading misinformation is my job
you can macro reck charge sometimes
useless macro tho
mild merlin
alright, thanks
lavish grove
left perch
#showtooltip Battle Shout
/cast Battle Shout
/use Celebration Firework
/use Drea...
goated
young swan
I guess democracy dont live here no more
it literally never did
dark ice
welcome to gulag
fair oasis
if boss runs out of spear circle does it also stop doing the dot?
young swan
no
warm crag
if the spear is tethered it stays tethered
left perch
post stupid macros, win stupid prizes - Taylor Swift
young swan
its dogshit and you will lose damage using it
dark ice
That doesnt explain anything
young swan
you have avatar before reck
lavish grove
It's alright for t30
dire badge
young swan
It's alright for t30
not even
past pivot
/use Tainted Core
/y <------- TAINTED CORE TO: %t ! ! !
/s <------- TAINTED CORE TO: %t ! ! !
/script SendChatMessage("!!! YOU HAVE THE CORE !!!", "WHISPER", "Common", UnitName("target"));
young swan
you reck before avatar now
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528>
what the fuck
whwy
wadk
adf
awfhjnaiwfa
why show me this
warm crag
hahahahahahah
clever belfry
im literally wiping on tindral as aug as we speak
clever path
just macro your whole rotation
slim pollen
/use Tainted Core
/y <------- TAINTED CORE TO: %t ! ! !
/s <------- TAINTED CO...
SSC? 😂
clever belfry
and u show me this
buoyant salmon
im literally wiping on tindral as aug as we speak
god i love tindral
warm crag
tindral is so good
left perch
im literally wiping on tindral as aug as we speak
we aug brothers??
lavish grove
im literally wiping on tindral as aug as we speak
dire badge
tindral is gr8
1000 pull arc?
full token
Does it make you use crests to upgrade your second 2h weapon if your main hand is higher item level?
or does it treat it as a seperate slot?
cyan jay
single target dummy, getting about 59k dps - no set bonus, ilvel 449...I think I need anotyher game 😛
trail bane
Does it make you use crests to upgrade your second 2h weapon if your main hand i...
no crests if you have a higher 2h
full token
k thanks
does a crafted weapon count toward having the item level unlocked and not needing crests for the offhand?
lavish grove
I think it does
clever belfry
1000 pull arc?
REAL
spiral oasis
What mast % am I looking for on fury
lavish grove
What mast % am I looking for on fury
Sim
slim pollen
does a crafted weapon count toward having the item level unlocked and not needin...
Yes, but you spend crests crafting it, and long term it's not a good investment if you think you can reliably get a myth track weapon
lavish grove
2 sparks is more of an issue with crafted 2h
slim pollen
I did that last season because i knew it would be bis for the whole thing, but this time we have both the lego and crafted gear is lower ilvl maxed out
full token
yeah
unreal onyx
I'll be crafting a ring with flavour pocket next week
full token
im a weapon smith so i went ahead and made a 486 2h as soon as i had the sparks
unreal onyx
no embellishments?
full token
not yet, waiting for wrists and cloak
so next week
for wrist
ive got the fangs on the weapon for now
clever path
im a weapon smith so i went ahead and made a 486 2h as soon as i had the sparks
howd you get 2 sparks
clever path
well half and half, no?
full token
nah 5 halfs
glad tangle
2.5
full token
so 2 full sparks.. and a half one
clever path
oh sheet, i didnt even know you could get 4
unreal onyx
one for every weekly innit
clever path
one for every weekly innit
im so confused, we on week 3 or 4?
deep ether
oh sheet, i didnt even know you could get 4
If you’re behind they should be dropping from raid bosses and at the end of keys, to catch up
glad tangle
You should have already had 2 full sparks and half of one in bag.
light stump
I'm a bit confused - people are saying smf is more viable now because of new tier set and anni (I get that it's a few points behind + legg)
but the builds in the guides channel look very similar to last seasons RB builds. At that point, why not stick to the normal Season 2 build?
thanks!
light stump
i don't like that it's slow
i liked spamming buttons
so it's worth it to me to lose a few % dps
i'm not mythic progging
unreal onyx
I don't feel like the new tier is particularly slow
maybe a little slower than S2
but still fast
deep ether
I’m getting carpal tunnel playing odyns fury, it’s already pretty fast lol
light stump
I don't feel like the new tier is particularly slow
I'll give it another go, maybe I'm just doing the rotation wrong
unreal onyx
4p helps a lot with the cdr
noble elm
i liked spamming buttons
Just put raging blow back on your bar and keep pressing it
Problem solved 4head
plush juniper
i don't like that it's slow
I assume youve tried the new build with 4p? Its not that slow imo
plucky ice
clever path
who got blamed for it
shell jackal
the mage doing 120k overall dps
still obsidian
bros. are people actually taking shockwave into keys?
plucky ice
still obsidian
as furry?
past pivot
furry lol
vivid peak
for some keys its worth this week
still obsidian
this build feels wrong and idk why
stark depot
Shockwave is massive for pugs atleast
vivid peak
ye with premates its not a must have
plucky egret
Yeah shockwave this week feels really good with Gumby armed assassins
plucky ice
also seismic is pretty bad
plucky ice
past pivot
Best advice this week was ti WW hamstring the spiteful mobs
plucky ice
unreal onyx
and I 90% pug my keys
spare otter
Man I hope I get a wep from vault next week
compact crater
Hey guys, anyone knows what the wowhead "BiS" part used as consums?
chrome plover
well aside from sockets
spare otter
I ain't farming keys for sockets 💀
unreal onyx
I haven't gotten a single weap yet
spare otter
Just gonna wait till nothing good in vault
unreal onyx
except smolderon nm
chrome plover
Hey guys, anyone knows what the wowhead "BiS" part used as consums?
hissing runes, corrupting rage phial, main stat food
unreal onyx
I wonder how far in prog I'll get with 450 ashk in oh still
compact crater
hissing runes, corrupting rage phial, main stat food
Thanks
spare otter
I'm only 2/9
chrome plover
nymue is kinda fun
spare otter
Basically 3/9
unreal onyx
nymue is pure despair with invisible lines
chrome plover
didnt experience any invisible lines?
spare otter
I don't find them that hard to see
unreal onyx
I mean the ones on the floor
spare otter
Oh
chrome plover
try playing with your graphics settings
unreal onyx
the ones that drop are easy to see
chrome plover
because they're fine for me
spare otter
That's not really a big deal tho?
unreal onyx
also my dmg just fucking sucks ass on that boss
spare otter
You're never really crossing them lines
unreal onyx
idk why
unreal onyx
You're never really crossing them lines
there's one in melee that you cross when dodging exploding flowers or lines
if you are not in the range where the lines come down
in p1
spare otter
Ahh idk I haven't tried on mythic
And in heroic you don't really take any dmg so haven't noticed
chrome plover
it's fine to cross a few times even in mythic
spare otter
DHs bouta go wild
chrome plover
yeah but it kinda doesnt last any time ata ll
unreal onyx
it's just unnessesary incoming dmg for the heals
I don't die to it, but it's just hella annoying
chrome plover
well not when it's necessary
unreal onyx
the lines on the right/left in melee are unnessesary
the ones on the left/right I mean
they go almost into the boss
and the space that is empty is where the lines come down
spare otter
Wouldn't you just split melee into two groups for each side
chrome plover
yes you do
spare otter
So you can soak without crossing
chrome plover
we do at least
spare otter
Oh don't really see the issue then ngl
Just depends on if you get cursed with spawning lines
noble elm
And in heroic you don't really take any dmg so haven't noticed
In heroic you can eat the tank slam
unreal onyx
so we all cross left-right
noble elm
Plus you get flower feet too
Tbh I don’t know if that causes issues for tanks but they don’t complain so
spare otter
Don't see why it would cause a problem
chrome plover
at least it was never called
you should suggest it maybe
only need 3 or 4 to do a red soak
i see why you think crossing is annoying for healing now if you're all crossing every soak
occaisionally someone will call for help in their side and a couple people will cross, but I dont think I crossed left > right a single time on our kill
unreal onyx
yea seems more reasonable
slim coral
Nymue was pretty easy tbh like 10 times easier than Rashok
unreal onyx
nymue is definetly not as big of a dmg check as rashok
for the add maybe, but not as tight
tepid shore
I hit 4/9 this week as well 😮
noble frost
Anyone know how to fix this?
Even after trying to adjust spell queue window i still seem to suffer this weird sticky gcd thing
I know it's a folly to compare games but
Never sufferend this in ff
And when this occurs i just seem to lose out on fuck tons of dps
flat sapphire
I do too suffer from that
chrome plover
it's either bad spellqueue window or lag
sometimes people fuck with their spellqueue window when they dont know what they're doing and cause problems like this
noble frost
Ive only just returned to play since shadowlands s3
Im not sure if i sufferend the same issue then
turbid needle
servers have been buggy and laggy for the past weeks, id give it some time and it will probably pass
noble frost
If its lag
And it's highly possible
Im from an asian country connected to oce (best ping)
half cargo
Doubt it’s from the user’s end
noble frost
Im having my dps hard stuck at 100k no matter how much i improve my gear
Training dummy has this funny lag
Thats worse in raids
turbid needle
it might be your region idk anything about whats happening with oce servers
but probably it will pass overtime
i know from my experience and from what ive heard eu servers been buggy too but its slowly getting better
noble frost
In that case woukd transferring realm to a more popular realm work or
Its just a region specific thing
past pivot
More popular = more lag
turbid needle
^
noble frost
Hell...
Is my only option to wait?
I do wish to push for heroic but my dps is just bare minimum no matter how i go about it
Even attempted botting script to check if i did something wrong doesnt seem to assist
graceful rapids
Post a log in log review
past pivot
Check your addons. Repair your game. Check your internet service. Rule out everything local then consdier something external
olive wraith
Aren’t raid instances separate from realm
noble frost
Yea
Sometimes im tossed into us servers and get hit by 220 ping
But even in aus's 110 ping
Still suffer the same issues
Almost identical even
Did try with most add ons off
Still suffer it
Never did turn off elvui tho
Internet speed is 800 mbps both on upload and download
Reinstalled the game twice and repaired once
next canopy
I’m topping the meters in LFR and it feels good
noble frost
Sorry if i sound frustrated
Even in some m+ keys this occurs that i didnt wish to burden higher key players
noble frost
I barely feel the difference between 110-220 ping
That "sticky" gcd pops up mid combat
Sometimes my macro of reck,(orc racial),trinket,spear of bastion doesnt even come out
But sometimes they come out fine
wicked plinth
what would cause wide swings in sims at same ilvl? another fury in my guild sims 188k, i sim 168k. same ilvl, talents and both 4piece.
i tested if it was weapons and that's part of it (like 5k). trinkets are a small part of it. could secondary stats be making up the rest of the difference?
both 470
noble frost
Is a spear of bastion @ player macro worth it
Personally use it as i dont want the hassle of aiming it, and most of the times it's positioning doesnt matter
Youre on the boss
You in the middle of the pack stuff
spiral oasis
Personally use it as i dont want the hassle of aiming it, and most of the times ...
I see.
noble frost
Say in m+ you tank wants to kite the adds because its that mob buff week
It of course can help
lapis marten
Any info on single minded fury
upper token
warped crater
What's the secret to not getting screwed over by signet taking forever to stack to 15?
lone locust
Is there any WA for the BT stacks ?
unreal onyx
not playing it in m+
warped crater
On mythic volocross it did 4.8mil one attempt and on our kill it did 1.8mil.
median token
theres a reason i dont join m+ with br/au players <:keks:936231610850897992>
there isnt a "br" server, it is all Chicago
runic pine
Does anyone else feel like new fury is just weird?
sonic magnet
tell that to my ping that doubles when i join full Rag groups
noble frost
Does anyone else feel like new fury is just weird?
You no like annihilator?
runic pine
You no like annihilator?
no it's weird
left perch
fated puzzle box is gonna be “super” fun eh boys?
runic pine
felt like an already fast spec got faster maybe that's just my perception from pressing bloodthirst so much
median token
@sonic magnet still chicago
noble frost
I feel it, while being faster
Is easier to control
Instead of praying for a raging blow reset
Im just looking for rage to rampage bloodthrist
past pivot
Seems it varies more in small ways depending on your gear giving us at least a feeling of more choices. Different stat prios might end up playing slightly different beyond the basic rotation.
restive peak
I’m enjoying it a lot now that I’m used to; it’s much more involved and on pulls I play better, I can noticeably see it and compare, whereas we were very basic and semi RNG before which could be frustrating.
tardy lark
fury logs were impossible last tier
empty zenith
how is fury warrior atm at pvp?
arctic raft
I miss anger management
granite quiver
what would cause wide swings in sims at same ilvl? another fury in my guild sims...
holy, i have 172k (ST build) in sim with 476ilvl
lavish beacon
Sark adds go Brrrrt!
wicked plinth
holy, i have 172k (ST build) in sim with 476ilvl
yea i have no idea whats causing the gap, his secondary stats hve to be it i feel like
hes got a lot more vers and mastery and i have a lot more crit
past pivot
yea i have no idea whats causing the gap, his secondary stats hve to be it i fee...
That's not stats
wicked plinth
That's not stats
5k is weapon ilvl, same talents, trinkets aren't much different fro sims
what else coul di tbe
wicked plinth
i mean, help me out here bc i feel like besides having an extra gem here and there that's kind of all there is left right?
i wont send his but here is mine: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmt3J5rjeZGcRBCepJ4no3
modest condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s37yNTbAodfeTw3kYLR7nS
you're simming with half the raid buffs missing
wicked plinth
he is 470 simming 188k
past pivot
i mean, help me out here bc i feel like besides having an extra gem here and the...
It's a quick sim so can't really optimize. You simmed for gems and enchants> Proper St talents?
wicked plinth
It's a quick sim so can't really optimize. You simmed for gems and enchants> Pro...
like i said, talents are the exact same. enchants he has t3 versions of waht i have (thats like 500dps max i think i simmed). gems he has a few more ill be honest
past pivot
His weapons?
wicked plinth
his weapons are 483 so a good bit higher , but simming myself with his weapons gives me 5k. doesn't close the 20k gap
past pivot
Hard to say in a vacuum without looking at top gear for both. Ilvl only means average level of all gear so it could be that and better optimization of stats/enchants/talents. Maybe 2nd trinket
Could also be how he's simming isn't the same as you
wicked plinth
hmm i mean i am doing same quick sim for his toon
his trinket is tecnically worse than mine
granite quiver
you're simming with half the raid buffs missing
oh, 193k with "default" raid buffs
past pivot
Need a good top gear sim to really dive in
wicked plinth
top gear or gear compare?
past pivot
top gear to compare enchants, gems, builds, items in your bags, etc
And can control what's being simmed more closely. Buffs, consumables, etc.
wicked plinth
aight let me give it a shot
past pivot
It might something as simple as he's giving himself windfury totem and bloodlust and PI and you're not
spare otter
Man playing without WF sucks
spare otter
Ohhh dh and assa rogue getting nerfed
restive peak
Nerfs and buffs are out, nadda for us
edgy widget
Ye, Dec 5th hotfix notes going up, pretty much everything we wanna see except Unholy buffs for some reason >_>
edgy widget
Nerfs and buffs are out, nadda for us
that's a good thing
restive peak
Yep! Agreed
edgy widget
If the top 3 go down, Wars gonna be looking pretty good
restive peak
We weren’t that far back
spare otter
I wonder how bad it is tho
restive peak
Sad for Blinclinc though
edgy widget
Idk how much these nerfs actually affect them, but I'm fine with the state of Warriors specifically
restive peak
Blindlinc lol
spare otter
12% immo aura and fel rush seems pretty big
edgy widget
Yeah I mean affect them insofar as not being on top of the world
outer umbra
wtf is kingsbane can someone translate? is that like rogues avatar?
i only speak warrior
outer umbra
hmmm
outer umbra
and what is blindside effect
brittle monolith
hunter nerfs is around 10k or more dps loss in ST
restive peak
No kingsbane is their main ST thing but also aoe
toxic grove
did we get a buff?
spare otter
I feel like we'll be pretty big now the nerfs are out
toxic grove
im simming 10k more than last week
outer umbra
did we get a buff?
no
hard widget
Wouldve loved to see a cheeky buff to push us into an insta invite but hey
Atleast rogue and havoc getting clapped
clever path
where buff
spare otter
Deserved tbh
spiral orbit
the havoc nerf is not large
plucky egret
where buff
Lego is our buff
summer quail
Atleast rogue and havoc getting clapped
idk man, those nerfs seem pretty small compared to how ahead they are
spare otter
Idk isn't immo and fel rush 12% nerf pretty big?
clever path
Lego is our buff
huge buff, tell this to our arms warriors brothers
hard widget
Felt like we'd see more changes considering the wording they used for their blue post hinting to 5th december tuning
compact knot
And outlaw isnt in there either
cause outlaw is fine
assassination was beyond broken though
young swan
outlaw is fine lmfao
u didnt see outlaw because sin was broken
now people will be exposed to havoc 2.0
summer quail
you think this is enough? i know kingsbane hits really hard but i doubt it's enough
olive wraith
Make slam hit harder
compact knot
no
clever belfry
The main thing this assa nerf does
is make aug practically unplayable in raid
xd
warped bone
Havoc nerf is nearly only AoE very small nerf to ST
clever belfry
it was already borderline int unless u did omega cringe nerd shit
compact knot
the problem with havoc was aoe
edgy widget
their ST is still really good too, but AoE was the bigger problem for sure
slim wraith
isnt this like barely a 5% aoe nerf in keys? and instead of felbarrage you play glaivetempest or something.
silent gazelle
The uh buffs are a bit egregious
compact knot
they cant be semi bad for longer than a month so
i know they where bad but damn
and bm also got let off the block a little light too
silent gazelle
Virulent plague already hits like a truck
summer quail
Imagine buffing unholy but leaving frost with nothing
they literally got buffed last week my guy
compact knot
unholy also just gets better the longer a tier goes on i think, psure they still like shorter fights
spare otter
they literally got buffed last week my guy
It was like a 3% aoe buff and 8% st buff
Don't think that's enough tbh
forest owl
specs above fury getting nerfed is a buff for us, right guys?
summer quail
8% st is not bad tho, like ye it's not enough
compact knot
specs above fury getting nerfed is a buff for us, right guys? <:clueless:1099922...
it kinda is because it pushed us higher
we dont even have the lego yet
modest pumice
compact knot
fury is looking to have a bright future in terms of raid dps so
nova atlas
oh cool fury buffs (for pvp)
compact knot
m+ also could be looking good too
we are already the best spec pre lego (of specs that can use it) if anything arms should have be buffed and not fury 💀
if we are number 1 in 4 weeks they will gut us sadgers
silent gazelle
we are already the best spec pre lego (of specs that can use it) if anything arm...
Lol
chrome plover
we are already the best spec pre lego (of specs that can use it) if anything arm...
true
lament brook
sadge
frosty scroll
augury nerfs i cba
frosty scroll
i just got augury yesterday man 
quartz veldt
was a broken ass trinket
True
compact knot
signet brand and rezans eye clears
analog charm
so augury dead?
analog charm
might of ocean me daddy
quartz veldt
i dont thing it is
chrome plover
signet brand and rezans eye clears
does it even though
483 augury simmed better than my 483 rezans
and augury fucking owns aoe too
compact knot
my 489 rezan was like 1% more than 489 augury
toxic grove
I mean I see Augury doing like 15%~18% of overall damage with some warriors with it
frosty scroll
ye but the proc doesnt make up for a 33% nerf 💀
modest condor
huh
modest condor
it literally does
quartz veldt
ok
compact knot
it does for sure
frosty karma
can't progress the legendary quest because I'm playing on a dead realm and guild crafter isn't online so I can't get my stuff done
toxic grove
tbh Im all in for broken trinkets
frosty scroll
bros got the leggo quest already
frosty karma
yea but on the wrong character
young swan
I think this change just makes it less highroll-y, no?
warped bone
Aww dang it. ofc the week i get HC ver of it in vault it gets nerfed
summer quail
doesn't the augury change just make it more consistent? like overall it's the same?
compact knot
thats good fs
young swan
doesn't the augury change just make it more consistent? like overall it's the sa...
seems that way
summer quail
feel like people are overreacting
plucky egret
like does math not exist to them?
Not in America.
summer quail
and i barely even know math and could see it seems like a good change
modest condor
it's a neutral change
toxic grove
do you get Greater Ember in normal fyrakk ?
wooden geyser
Not in America.
Math-amphetamine is very popular over here actually
summer quail
it's a neutral change
yes, overall it's a neutral change but it's not gonna be as inconsistent right? seems like a good thing to me
fading bane
when augury buffs in simc
chrome plover
yea but on the wrong character
that is now the right character
fading bane
i need to see how much i gain
frosty karma
that is now the right character
unholy buffs came just in time
chrome plover
modest condor
when augury buffs in simc
brisk talon
on bosses with damage amps like Smolderon, its a nice change to have a chance to proc more too during that time
fair oasis
if i toss reck in a macro above charge will it juice the extra rage from charge properly?
modest condor
yes
warped bone
seems that way
Because I'm dumb and sleepy and miss read it as proccing once every 1.5 min xD
summer quail
charge maxing
sour elbow
33%..........
modest condor
oh no another one
inland flame
Lol people are gonna come in here saying things about Augury all night
hard widget
Haha
sudden tusk
dont worry they nerfed fel barrage which most good dhs dont take
brisk talon
oh no another one
quick we need a pin
thorny tangle
Imagine buffing unholy but leaving frost with nothing
frost literally got buffed last reset
modest condor
i cant pin
thorny tangle
a hefty buff too
summer quail
bruh i stg people just see the damage change and they are like "oh no, the trinket got nerfed, holy fucking shit it is so over" see the proc increase pls
spare otter
Not really a big buff lol
snow edge
frost literally got buffed last reset
That was last reset bro, you can't expect people to remember things from more than 24hours ago
sudden tusk
yes, overall it's a neutral change but it's not gonna be as inconsistent right? ...
isnt it a slight buff?
spare otter
Frost is still just a poor man's fury warrior
thorny tangle
quite alot bigger than the unholy buffs
modest condor
numerically it's a neutral change
thorny tangle
unholy buffs were ~1% st and around 4% aoe
modest condor
it's just smaller but more often
sullen dove
it proccing more often in m+ to hit multiple targets gonna feel good
modest condor
yeah
sullen dove
rather than yknow it just not proc on a huge pack of mobs
and proc on bosses
or something
modest condor
hopefully it will proc on ozumat more often now
sullen dove
quiet geyser
Wouldnt it be like a slight buff technically
quiet geyser
Since having it proc more often could make it proc more often during your crit burst windows
inland flame
3 new procs equals 2 old procs. 3 new procs takes 2 mins. 2 old procs took 2 mins.
warped bone
More procs higher chance it's proccing while we have recklessness. I'm all for it
quiet geyser
More procs higher chance it's proccing while we have recklessness. I'm all for i...
Or tier guaranteed tier crits
midnight kite
I guess it has a higher chance to overlap procs but tbh its probably hardly changed
warped bone
About Ozumat. Have they fixed rise trinket vs that boi yet? Hilarious when the trinket just does 99% of all dmg
sudden tusk
i need to farm a might of the ocean
to be fair i still dont understand
how the fuck augry works
compact knot
i need to farm a might of the ocean
on my dad this item fucks on smolderon
sudden tusk
becuase that fucking thing does ungodly damage at random
ive had it do almost 15% of my damage on morchie
viscid vessel
can't progress the legendary quest because I'm playing on a dead realm and guild...
if u have free profession slot you can just learn prof, learn recipe, craft, abandon prof and repeat
fast crest
might of the ocean vs mirror?
viscid vessel
at least worked on evoker
viscid vessel
aw
blissful patrol
hey guys is the dungeon slice tool for sim accurate for m+ ?
viscid vessel
eu or us?
cosmic hearth
I'm at 457 ilvl and only able to get to ~95k sustained on a target dummy. Any initial thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N1vHbmYp6CPy9Q7T#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=17 This is from a few nights ago, I've gotten a bit more gear since then at least. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/moosebob I have 467 gorehowl, and 437 vers/mastery weapons.
compact knot
first thing is no aberus 2p along with amirdrassil 2p
shell jackal
2p of either set would add a good amount, y
compact knot
how much mastery do you have
summer quail
I'm at 457 ilvl and only able to get to ~95k sustained on a target dummy. Any i...
how much do you sim on target dummy?
cosmic hearth
Sim is like 125k if I turn off all buffs patchwerk
frosty karma
if u have free profession slot you can just learn prof, learn recipe, craft, aba...
thanks for that, for some reason I thought you had to be max, now i can continue
cosmic hearth
Yeah I have since gotten gorehowl, 476, at still just at 95k
compact knot
oh i cant read sorry
cosmic hearth
no all good!
I just feel like if I'm simming 125k and only pulling 95k I must be doing something weird
fiery scarab
got nerf
next birch
I just feel like if I'm simming 125k and only pulling 95k I must be doing someth...
If you are simming patchwork. Doesn't that include execute?
viscid vessel
thanks for that, for some reason I thought you had to be max, now i can continue
thought same for evoker because wowhead was showing 100 skill but it was 1, i'm not sure about axe though
compact knot
well you cant get vicious contemp on dummy
modest condor
relevant name
cosmic hearth
If you are simming patchwork. Doesn't that include execute?
Excellent point
likely not
inland flame
lol all night long man
toxic grove
I wouldnt trust target dummies in valdrakken sometimes you get 25% damage from the event
frosty karma
thought same for evoker because wowhead was showing 100 skill but it was 1, i'm ...
person that crafted for me had 1 skill
cosmic hearth
Well likely yes in the sim, and no on the dummy
compact knot
id say its a buff imo, making it more consistent
next birch
Sim target dummy see what the difference is
patent harbor
make sure you are listening to the hand of God outro while dpsing... it'll add that extra you are missing
gentle rose
Your bloodbath casts should = rampage casts
viscid vessel
person that crafted for me had 1 skill
wonderful, thanks for confirming that
cosmic hearth
make sure you are listening to the hand of God outro while dpsing... it'll add t...
just tried, 200k dps, I can't believe I was missing this.
cosmic hearth
Your bloodbath casts should = rampage casts
So too many slam/whirlwind fillers?
frosty karma
should maybe add that to wowhead article
but idk how to contact ppl and im lazy
had a guildy learn every profession at 1 to craft for me
fiery scarab
id say its a buff imo, making it more consistent
compact knot
read the second part
hard widget
Bruh
1 x 0.66 = 0.66
0.66 x 1.5 = 1
warped bone
Procs more often L
viscid vessel
if i was to craft it myself, i'd probably bother enough to get max resourcefulness for these profs (which is easy af)
fiery scarab
wheres the second part
hard widget
rppm increased to 1.5
compact knot
after the comma
hard widget
Random procs per minute
inland flame
RPPM increased to 1.5
compact knot
commas look like ,
hard widget
Me or the other one?
robust widget
DMG lower = Nerf Chatting
hard widget
@fringe vale
hard widget
Was about to say kekw
fringe vale
always was
compact knot
@cosmic hearth can i get your secondarys
fiery scarab
whats RPPM meaning
fringe vale
random procs per minute
inland flame
How often it procs.
inland flame
Its like it used to do 100 damage every minute. Now it does 66 damage every 40 seconds. Still 200 damage every two minutes.
compact knot
its likely better too anyways
robust widget
Its like it used to do 100 damage every minute. Now it does 66 damage every 40 s...
But 3x66 is 198 and that is not 200 
fiery scarab
ok so fyrakk trinket still worth in AOE fights?
primal bane
The real question is did the hunters and DHs get nerfed enough for us to compete
compact knot
yes
fringe vale
it was always worth now its even more worth
barren cradle
Anyone here have a char that sims well in fury around 465 ilvl? My fury sims are consistently 20-30k lower than arms sims, even if I full change the stats on gear to max mastery haste.
compact knot
The real question is did the hunters and DHs get nerfed enough for us to compete
your missing the yellow ones
cosmic hearth
<@203361013813215232> can i get your secondarys
Crit: 20% / 2300, Haste: 35% / 5133, Mastery: 32% / 2283, Versatility: 26% / 5038
fringe vale
before it was a 2.0L engine, now its like a 1.6L engine with a turbo added
compact knot
brown on top or close to very soon thouggh
fair oasis
do we ever pool rage for any reason? or just slam Ramp at 80 rage every time
primal bane
Slam it
compact knot
Crit: 20% / 2300, Haste: 35% / 5133, Mastery: 32% / 2283, Versatility: 26% / 503...
i can see you play prot as well, but your mastery is way too low for fury
primal bane
But make sure you use your BB
twilit pelican
Crit: 20% / 2300, Haste: 35% / 5133, Mastery: 32% / 2283, Versatility: 26% / 503...
Less haste more mastery
cosmic hearth
Ok cool! I'll make it happen. Thanks!
twilit pelican
get like 25-30% haste and invest more in crit and mastery
compact knot
@cosmic hearth prioritize ilvl though at your current ilvl
cosmic hearth
I can at least go pure mastery gems
compact knot
get like 474 then start worrying about secondarys