that will take it down from 400 milliseconds to 150; e.g. playing 0.15s ahead of the GCD instead of 0.400s ahead
#fury
edgy widget
short spire
i geniuinly might have autisum no cap
edgy widget
you want some buffer to make up for lag and input time though, so don't just set it to 0
short spire
how tf did i use cat on boots!!!!!!!!!
quaint viper
what the default set to?
edgy widget
quaint viper
o my bad
short spire
that will take it down from 400 milliseconds to 150; e.g. playing 0.15s ahead of...
how do ik if it worked
noble frost
hope it works well
edgy widget
how do ik if it worked
go hit something
umbral ingot
Archi, you gonna play SoD?
they bringing Sanctum of Domination back?
edgy widget
press your abilities, you'll feel a difference real quick
south kayak
they bringing Sanctum of Domination back?
Season of Discovery
short spire
just paste it in chat?
edgy widget
do exactly what I said lol
short spire
chat box = chat ight?
edgy widget
you're not
spare otter
Lucky I was lurking in this chat to find out lol
edgy widget
lag tolerance is a good thing - it exists for a reason; it just feels kind of spongey to some players when it's set high
which is exactly why I said, don't just set it to zero - reducing it too low is just as bad (if not worse) than having it too high
edgy widget
my general recommendation is to set it to your average latency (mouse over the computer icon on your micro menu) + 100, but no lower than 150
umbral ingot
hey man can you link the screenshot so I can save it
edgy widget
it's also a persistent account setting - you don't have to put it in again every time you log in or on each character
south kayak
think my latency is like 100
spare otter
I bet using rampage-BB with bl will actually feel decent now
edgy widget
think my latency is like 100
then what number should you use?
tardy lark
It makes a huge difference during lust on some specs where you react to procs, but doing normal rotation is not gonna feel that much different
south kayak
200?
clever path
low lag tolerance makes u miss globals i play on 170 i think
umbral ingot
W math
edgy widget
good boy
short spire
bro
whirldiwng wouldnt ccastbefore as fast
and now
idk if its placebo
but this shit fast
umbral ingot
how did you come up with the +100?
south kayak
im at work now but im gonna try it when i come home
edgy widget
low lag tolerance makes u miss globals i play on 170 i think
yeah, like I said - it exists for a reason, it's there to account for account for latency
spare otter
Maybe it's all placebo and we're just all falling for it
edgy widget
how did you come up with the +100?
math and experience
umbral ingot
worth testing it I guess 
edgy widget
little bit of it depends on how fast you hit your keys, but most wow players tend to be the "spammy" type (meaning they spam their keyboard before and after the GCD)
quaint viper
yeah i spam the shit out of it lmfao
short spire
just to be clear and my brainells are doing me justice chatbox = pressing enter and pasting in chat
right
quaint viper
yes lol
tardy lark
I think I’ve played with 140 since corruption in bfa because I’d miss whatever reset mechanic arms had
spare otter
Bro...
edgy widget
but we also don't play on dialup anymore - unless you're connecting cross region, average latency in wow is usually between 12 and ~120
spare otter
LoL
tardy lark
Don’t remember if it was OP or MS
south kayak
just to be clear and my brainells are doing me justice chatbox = pressing enter...
is this your first month using a pc?
were you in a coma
short spire
im new to life
spare otter
💀
edgy widget
whirldiwng wouldnt ccastbefore as fast
you're not casting faster, you're just playing closer to the GCD now
In simplest terms, lag tolerance allows you to queue actions ahead of the GCD
meaning instead of pressing WW when the GCD is up, you press WW up to X milliseconds early and it will "queue" the action, automatically executing it once the server says "ok the GCD is ready now"
spare otter
Oh
edgy widget
that's why, at the default setting of 400ms, it feels "spongey" - because the game is letting you queue Whirlwind 0.4s, but it doesn't go off until the actual GCD is up
spare otter
What if I make a mistake spamming one button but I then spam another button?
What comes out first
edgy widget
depends on your actual latency, but if you queue a new action before the GCD fires, it'll use that one
that's what latency is - it's the time it takes for your computer to communicate with the server and for the server to communicate with you
spare otter
I see I guess I'd just need to see how it feels really
edgy widget
there are also other factors, like physical reaction time - if you were to simply wait for the GCD to come up, then press Whirlwind... well it takes a certain amount of time to physically press that key; it'd be impossible to actually play on the GCD, since your keypress would always come out after
certainly not a lot of time, but it is another small factor
that's why lag tolerance exists - it lets you play ahead of the GCD to minimize downtime due to latency and input/reaction time
So instead of
- 0.0s GCD comes up
- 0.065s Whirlwind
- 1.565s GCD comes up
- 3.130s Whirlwind
You can go
- 0.0s GCD comes up
- 0.0s Whirlwind
- 1.1s queue next whirlwind
- 1.5s GCD comes up
- 1.5s execute Whirlwind in queue
median marsh
i am having couple of options to upgrade gear, what is the best items to upgrade first?
edgy widget
i am having couple of options to upgrade gear, what is the best items to upgrade...
the highest budget ones, starting with weapons & trinkets - you can also sim it with top gear (click the + sign on items)
quaint viper
avoid necks/rings cuz no primary stats
edgy widget
not necessarily; they may not have primary but they have a LOT of secondaries
spare otter
Ooooh that makes sense but the default setting seems strangely high
quaint viper
true true
edgy widget
Ooooh that makes sense but the default setting seems strangely high
it is high, it was 250 in Legion
short spire
you're not casting faster, you're just playing closer to the GCD now
what do you tell someone that used cat in boots and doesnt 4 p and is stuck with 3?
final delta
What if I make a mistake spamming one button but I then spam another button?
u can also just macro "/cqs" into your buttons to cancel the spell que (cqs = cancel qued spell)
edgy widget
what do you tell someone that used cat in boots and doesnt 4 p and is stuck with...
Idk wtf cat in boots means unless you're a kids movie
short spire
Idk wtf cat in boots means unless you're a kids movie
catylst boots
clever path
for example spell queueing made the biggest difference for me last season in keys
if you pop all cds u have very high rage generation and sometimes i would rampage twice in a row instead of doing rampage ww rampage cause i mash buttons
reducing spell queue fixed it
edgy widget
u can also just macro "/cqs" into your buttons to cancel the spell que (cqs = ca...
you don't need to do that; queueing another action within the window will automatically overwite it
edgy widget
catylst boots
you're literally the only person I've ever heard refer to it that way
And I kinda hate it tbh
but I'd tell you the same as everyone else - use Raidbots, lol, that's what it's for
short spire
you're literally the **only** person I've ever heard refer to it that way
And I...
sorry mr archimitrios
spare otter
Yea I've had issues where I'd rampage twice in a row and my BB not going off
Kinda excited to test it tbh
Ty for bringing up this knowledge
edgy widget
you're welcome
you can play around with the variable (number), but don't hyper focus too hard on it; it's measured in milliseconds (thousandths of a second), so you're not even going to be able to perceive the difference between 250 and 260, much less notice any functional change
spare otter
Yea i think i'll just do +100 of my latency and leave it at that if it feels good
short spire
you're welcome
i play in the middle east and my ping is always 130+ is putting 150 goodf enough or make it lower?
edgy widget
I would start with your latency + 100, the whole point is to buffer your latency
if your latency is 130, that means it takes 130ms for your computer to talk to the server - if you set it to 130ms, then you're playing perfectly on your latency, which leaves no room for reaction time, minor lag spikes, or anything else
setting it to 230 or whatever gives you a buffer
eager wraith
jackpot from the weekly quest
edgy widget
same thing, but I generally recommend not going under 150 - you can play around with that if you want, but there are absolute measurements of time to consider (how long it takes you to look at the screen, process what's going on, decide what to push, and pysically actuate the key) as well as those minor lag spikes that come up once in awhile
stone ginkgo
Which slot would you use a normal curio on? I'm between hands or head piece.
spare otter
yea i'm not gonna go below 150
edgy widget
again, I wouldn't try to min/max it too hard though, generally change it in units of like... 25 or 50, because anything smaller is fairly imperceptible
spare otter
theres a reocurring theme with lag spikes in this raid for some reason
well in my case at least
edgy widget
Which slot would you use a normal curio on? I'm between hands or head piece.
probably helm, it's a higher budget item; but kinda depends on what drops you think you'll access to first (fwiw, hands also drop from second boss in the raid)
eager beacon
I should be sleeping, instead i see some really neat information.
Archimtiros is a smart Warrior. Perhaps Eldritch Knight needs to be a WoW spec.
Or Battle Mage. Mage that beats things up with a stick.
... Give Warriors Strength Staves so we can smash people with them.
eternal sundial
I dont see them adding new classes
eager beacon
Look
eternal sundial
Hero specs might fill some fantasy nieches
eager beacon
Arcane Intellect isnt giving me a buff. I demand a buff from it
eternal sundial
Buffing your healer is buffing you since you may stand in fire more as they heal more
eager beacon
Fair.
Welp off to sleep, I just wanted to meme and also as a lurker hiding thank Mr Archi for his hard work
elder gate
this is really weird -
Raidbots mentions my 455 ilvl 2p T31 sims at 132k DPS. My 450 ilvl 4p T30 sims at 142k. An older, lower ilvl set is simming higher.
eager beacon
Counterpoint, Odyn's Fury rotation feels much better and you arent mashing rampage 500x a second and breaking your fingers.
... but yeah not surprising entirely, old 4 piece was pretty solid
fervent isle
trinket setup for ST augury and signet brand? looking at guides coiled serpent is listed as bis
eager beacon
If you want a weird throwback, back in Legion, Nighthold BM 2 piece was so good that it didnt matter on ilv, and that Hunters could legitimately run it until late Mythic a couple raids later
clever path
trinket setup for ST augury and signet brand? looking at guides coiled serpent i...
i mean what else do you have
augury and signet are insane trinkets for fury
fervent isle
i just looking out for what i ought to be aiming for, my character is too fresh for sims to be real
still in SL
clever path
then just go for whatever you can get
fervent isle
still a necro banner main
elder gate
Counterpoint, Odyn's Fury rotation feels much better and you arent mashing rampa...
I kinda liked the old one.. but I'll prfactice the new one before I start dissing it more 😛
fervent isle
yeah the character died when banner died
eager beacon
trinket setup for ST augury and signet brand? looking at guides coiled serpent i...
iirc that was posted before sims were updated. Augury and Signet are really really good and pretty much bis.
Coiled Signet is competitive and doesnt hurt you, so that's a thing. Though people really overstate how much the trinket hurts you so /shrug
fervent isle
fair, appreciate it
eager beacon
I've heard supposedly that Aurgury is ?? in M+ due to needing rampup time i guess
but I mean I +2'd a 20 key using it so your mileage may vary
eager beacon
Oh, I mixed them up. Thanks.
clever path
its not that its meh its that its annoying
and if it falls off ure fucked
something like anvil last season
or old warriors soul
back in sl
fervent isle
ows was giga
eager beacon
OWS was a mistake holy sh
clever path
it was if your tank pulled aroudn you
eager beacon
So yeah, Augury+Signet bis, for m+ you could consider a different trinket over Signet but /shrug
clever path
imo
unless u are in the mdi or pushing the highestk eys you shouldnt really focus too much on m+ trinkets
generally on use such as might of the ocean
are good
clever path
signet augury / signet rezans
eager beacon
Wont on-use mess with the leggo weap? Since we get badluck protect?
fervent isle
yeah i saw a lot of rezans on logs, and i was guessing it was cus augury is more rare
fervent isle
and fire mages yoinked it early on
eager beacon
My guild gave me the first augury that dropped from normal, and then i just got one from heroic.
I am very pleased.
slim pollen
Got signet in vault yesterday and tried in a few keys. Wasn't too bad with my tank chain pulling where possible. What sucked tho was dungeons with gaps in trash/between bosses. Like after both sides inatal, i lost stacks before last boss. And in between platforms in rise
clever path
and throne pretty much everywhere
fervent isle
rise just has an insane amount of rp
fervent isle
why do we need to wait for the portal in rise, but not in fall
to the last boss area
slim pollen
yeah i saw a lot of rezans on logs, and i was guessing it was cus augury is more...
So far I've seen more augurys dropp than rezans 😂
edgy widget
My guild gave me the first augury that dropped from normal, and then i just got ...
We've had like 6 tank trinkets and 2 healer drop, no DPS on any difficulty yet
eager beacon
can confirm, i only have one rezans but two augurys
fervent isle
ive seen 4 rezans to 1 augury
slim pollen
0 rezan, like 2-3 augs
edgy widget
rezan is easy, you can keep farming it and people can trade it
Fyrakk is 1 shot a week
eager beacon
also they buffed the last boss for us
unborn canyon
is primal flame trinket under simming ? i gave mine to our dh coz he had a sook and its doing like 10 percent of his overall lol
edgy widget
is primal flame trinket under simming ? i gave mine to our dh coz he had a sook ...
na it just has harsh averages; DH also stacks a lot of crit iirc
fervent isle
my guild i think is planning on doing normal and heroic skip still for signets and belorelos and augury's
45 min in n out for decent power gains
eager beacon
probably a comp dependent call
umbral ingot
honestly guys
fervent isle
enough melee want signet and enough range want belor'relos that atleast heroic makes ense
umbral ingot
can we beat demo and bm in keys?
fervent isle
and fyrakk for weapon rolls cus we ain't close to mythic yet
eager beacon
can we beat demo and bm in keys?
tell the bm hunter to click offf our buff and that they arent worthy and maybe
... i say as someone who likes bm hunter but shh
slim pollen
rezan is easy, you can keep farming it and people can trade it
No luck myself, and my usual crew consist of a mix of 2 leather users, a clothie and 2 mail users 😂
umbral ingot
like honestly idk why but outside of bosses I don’t feel as strong as other dps
eager beacon
-warriors are notoriously ilv dependent so if you arent geared comparativiely that can do it
-4 piece? It's huge
-Execute isnt giga big but it still matters and execute ranges are still shorter in m+ usually
-not enough bosses have spell reflect cheese rip. Naraxas last season was funny though
Yazma this season is if the rng gods favor you
umbral ingot
I mean I love the 4p in ST
eager beacon
wait what
umbral ingot
maybe I‘m just sending cds where I should hold for next pack or something like that
clever path
if you run out of melee ozumat starts casting foul bolt or w/e its called
eager beacon
our "cds" dont really have a cooldown so rarely.
umbral ingot
yeaa
umbral ingot
roar can kinda make a difference
eager beacon
Yeah avatar/roar can be held for next pack
i wouldnt really hold odyn's fury unless the pack is literally dead in a second
eager beacon
ink of ozumat
ok that'd be troll as fuck and probably throwing the key but funny
clever path
i mean its a basic taunt reflect
eager beacon
I dont have taunt on my bars because i dont trust myself to not mistap it at the worst possible time
ok it's past 3 and i need to be a semi responsible adult. Was fun talking and not lurking for once
clever path
talking about rezan archi what are we rolling for m+? root trinket + ? i feel the new anvil is lackluster since combat state always reseting
sullen dove
Well, Yea definitely no brand in m+ that’s troll
any combo of might of the ocean/augury/crab/mirror I guess branch from raid good too is probably pretty fine
maybe hourglass thrown in there too
edgy widget
Well, Yea definitely no brand in m+ that’s troll
it's really good if you can maintain it, and this week is good for that
but unless you're tanking, that's not very well within your control
edgy widget
talking about rezan archi what are we rolling for m+? root trinket + ? i feel th...
augury/might/block/crab/root/signet are all strong
mirror/sandglass also work
got a lot of good options tbh
ideally Might + Augury, though I'm currently using Crab
unreal onyx
edgy widget
crit is a good multitarget stat too
torpid slate
Hmm guys I was doing a BRH as fury , but did one yesterday as arms do you think we loose to arms with bigger uncapped pulls? I feel like fury is better on smaller more constant dmg
nova garnet
I really wanna learn fury, I'm just kinda waiting atm.
Need more sparks and catslysts
cursive dome
checked mallet, not even top 10 trinket
nova garnet
Don't wanna jump into a new spec without being able to craft slots and shit without trier
edgy widget
Hmm guys I was doing a BRH as fury , but did one yesterday as arms do you think ...
other way around
OF pumps bigger pulls, Whirlwind is capped at 5 targets
and both specs have Roar
most dungeons can kinda go either way, depending on how you pull; I do really like Fury for DHT trash and Throne bosses though
actually DHT bosses too, depending on how you do them
Waycrest is more Arms; smaller pulls and several multitarget bosses
dark ice
whats the CD on OF with 4set ? in m+
spare otter
OF pumps bigger pulls, Whirlwind is capped at 5 targets
with execute spreading rend doesn't that kinda balance it out tho?
spare otter
oh i thought it would prio targets without bleed tbh
sharp tartan
In our ST Anihalator build, if we're getting lucky with rage or have recklessness up while in execute, do we just rampage>bloodbath>rampage>bloodbath and just not use execute or sudden death procs?
edgy widget
also SD procs can be maddening sometimes - you either get 4 in a row or 2 per minute
spare otter
yea it why i moved away from arms as soon as i got 4p
havent actually tried 4p arms but im enjoying fury too much to care
edgy widget
I mean it's still a good spec, with very consistent damage
just can't rely on SD alone to AoE Rend
spare otter
In our ST Anihalator build, if we're getting lucky with rage or have recklessnes...
I only execute to keep stacks up in execute phase
if u use cds prio BB obviously
but if you've got nothing i normally do execute-rampage-bb
idk if thats right tho
dark ice
whats the CD on OF with 4set ? in m+
sharp tartan
I only execute to keep stacks up in execute phase
Ok so I'd even delay a bb or rampage to weave in an execute to maintain Ashen Jug buff?
sharp tartan
whats the CD on OF with 4set ? in m+
I'm getting about 25 seconds if staying in combat
spare otter
i delay rampage sometimes never BB
dark ice
I'm getting about 25 seconds if staying in combat
both 1target, 5 target hits with BT that crits reduce the OF cd same ?
isnt it 5x 2.5? 😄
sharp tartan
I just had a look at one of Critcakes m+ videos and on multitarget a BT crit on 4 targets is only reducing OF by 2.5 seconds, so 5x2.5 = 2.5 if you work for Blizzard
fluid marlin
icd mby
plucky ice
would be op af boi
mystic moon
maybe we'd actually do dmg close to op specs
dark ice
How much does raidbot prioritize crit with this tier set ?
plucky ice
op specs gun get nerfed tho
mossy fox
I just had a look at one of Critcakes m+ videos and on multitarget a BT crit on ...
it's still good for aoe. if any of those BTs crit then you get CDR
up to 5 rolls instead of 1
spare otter
except assa
sharp tartan
up to 5 rolls instead of 1
👍🏻
spare otter
that needs to get nerfed asap
fluid marlin
guild rogue tried claiming it was mostly due to borrowed power from PI and Aug 
haha
plucky ice
guess he never looked at wcl
trim obsidian
Hey guys, if I want to spec from fury, from +- bis stat spread items into arms (or vice versa), how many % dps approximately I'd lose due to unoptimized stats? Can't sim myself since I do not have such items, just want a rough estimation, be it in the ballpark of 3-5% or more?
sudden tusk
if you want stats trust the robot
otherwise just hit the buttons good
but you wanted numbers lemme see if i have the graph
dark ice
Hey guys, if I want to spec from fury, from +- bis stat spread items into arms (...
you can create a build and sim it.
trim obsidian
you can create a build and sim it.
Oh, thank you. I am a bit new to these things, didn't know that.
sudden tusk
realistically i wouldnt worry about stats until you are like 485 and looking to minmax to the extreme
we also have so many stats this current season that its kinda hard to go wrong outside of completely ignonring mastery
dark ice
Oh, thank you. I am a bit new to these things, didn't know that.
you can create gearset and add items.
fluid marlin
feels too low...
way higher than me
chrome plover
yes but mastery % is different for every class
trim obsidian
you can create gearset and add items.
Thank you, no need in detailed instruction, just show me the way 😄 I am coming from PoE and I suppose i can wrap my head around WoW simming haha
spare otter
ohhhh
lyric panther
need to look at rating
chrome plover
because it scales differently
spare otter
i did not know that
dark ice
Thank you, no need in detailed instruction, just show me the way 😄 I am coming ...
no idea what poe butis gl anyway
spare otter
should probably start playing other classes
chrome plover
i did not know that
our % is just % damage in enrage
fluid marlin
if anything I feel like I have too much haste this season
trim obsidian
no idea what poe butis gl anyway
Path of Exile. It even has a standalone program to plan and calc builds
lyric panther
my sims just want more and more vers
fluid marlin
^dis
fluid marlin
even started gemming mastery verse
lyric panther
yeah same
43% mastery, 25% vers atm
I like it though can really notice it in M+ when an unavodable aoe goes off and chunks everyone else to 50% hp and you're sat on 80%
fluid marlin
the little def stance + spell reflect and you just out tank the world
lyric panther
My main issue at the moment is trying to internalize whether OF is going to give WW stacks or not based on content/scenario. Played a mix of DB and TR last week but settled on DB for most of it, now switched to TR for fortified and slotting in unnecessary WWs sometimes out of habit.
spare otter
i still play db tbh
lyric panther
thats a lot of crit
dark ice
What has higher prio with 4set, slam or basic BT ?
strange drift
If only we had reforging
strange drift
What has higher prio with 4set, slam or basic BT ?
bt
lyric panther
What has higher prio with 4set, slam or basic BT ?
BT by a lot
slender perch
dark ice
DO you WW in ST bc you have nothing to press
slender perch
yes
slender perch
hahaha
dark ice
are you a wirld first raider
eternal sundial
are you a wirld first raider
Wf raid has this gear week 1
Revvez killed it at 483 iirc
zinc bridge
almost same dps with previous season tier
any idea if I have something wrong with talents or something?
proud vessel
Can we already get the leggo from last boss on all difficulties?
chrome plover
Can we already get the leggo from last boss on all difficulties?
assumedly
althought I havent seen it
proud vessel
If so have we seen some drops already?
chrome plover
I haven't
chrome plover
ye
you get itemised bad luck protection now
but i dont know exactly what it does 
chrome plover
any idea if I have something wrong with talents or something?
the aoe for last tier was stronger, new tier just has way higher single target/prio damage and obviously more ilvls
covert blaze
you get itemised bad luck protection now
I call them "copium tokens"
chrome plover
you're missing bloodcraze and I don't use uproar
chrome plover
I call them "copium tokens"
i slammed them all, my character went a bit purpley and then i forgot about them
covert blaze
how id this posible
Try a 1 or 2 minute sim instead, night be different
chrome plover
yeah, 5 minute 5 target is also vastly unrealistic
zinc bridge
okai, thanks a lot
clever path
gfury
chrome plover
tidal kindle
Augury proccing in intermission
chrome plover
yeah... i want it so bad
covert blaze
Does augury scale if you have a lot of different damage instances all the time?
chrome plover
it just takes 50% of your crits during the proc and repeats them as fire damage i think?
clever path
ye
chrome plover
so it doesnt really "scale" like that
it's just the more critting you do during it the more damage it does
covert blaze
covert blaze
Ah that's what it is
regal elm
Its so high on dh coz they have a crit dmg amplifier in talents
chrome plover
that's why eranog ring was like 10 billion dps or them too
oh yeah
crit damage too
god they were just made for that trinket
regal elm
Mythic
chrome plover
Ah that's what it is
this waas our other dh on the same fight though
he was malding
his did half the damage
clever path
infinite stars syndrome
covert blaze
his did half the damage
WHAT IS MY INFINITE STARS
chrome plover
i think next week dh/assa/bm are gonna have some explaining to do yeah
clever path
it's top dmg on every single fight
regal elm
Dont think they will Nerf dh much
clever path
except council where its 3rd
clever path
far from bad tho
covert blaze
Nerf it in aoe
clever path
i am expecting an aoe nerf too
regal elm
Nobody talking about BM.hunter
clever path
i love listening to bm copers
covert blaze
I saw Avade do 500k overall the other day
regal elm
Im shook
clever path
and how mm and surv will take over and how
bm doesnt scale well
scaling lmao
what is this
regal elm
Im all For survival
chrome plover
survival is kinda insane
clever path
tbc black temple
regal elm
Chad spec
chrome plover
just not with bm being so strong
survival 4 set is fucking cracked
cant wait to be done with warrior and start playing it again
clever path
i hate survival cause its so fucking squishy and its melee and my warrior brain is used to tanking shit in keys
surv just falls over
clever path
ye
chrome plover
I'm fighting for my life against stuff that doesnt move my warriors health bar
1 wave and it's joever
clever path
even if it does he has 19 defensives
chrome plover
meanwhile my warrior is surfing USA
clever path
ready to press and they are all instant
chrome plover
cant compare them rn because my hunter is still 450
drip fed heroic vaults from splits
and havent played it otherwise
clever path
idk im jsut used to being able to live everything
pulsar turtle
is it just me whos frustrated people complain about warrior dps in keys right now because its just utter shit regardless?
chrome plover
what
chrome plover
yes very good
pulsar turtle
not compared to dh or hunter
pulsar turtle
had a hunter from strawberry puppy kisses just get super toxic in a 24 key over dmg
even tho my dmg is same as top 25 key pushing warriors atm
pulsar turtle
may actually.
eternal sundial
Funny guild name toxicity excused
pulsar turtle
actually just tilted me because even though i do the max dmg i can its still under meta nerds
clever path
Funny guild name toxicity excused
real
why is he being toxic over damage in a 24
id understand if it was a 26
regal elm
had a hunter from strawberry puppy kisses just get super toxic in a 24 key over ...
Dont Listen to carried hunters
chrome plover
just a weirdo it doesnt matter?
regal elm
Once beastcleave is fixed
chrome plover
2 specs are op
pulsar turtle
not sure. wish i knew. dmg wasnt even issue to why it bricked
chrome plover
fury is very much up there compared to the rest of the specs in the game
pulsar turtle
yes but compared to key meta classes rn its crap
chrome plover
??????
spare otter
feel kinda useless in my 24
spare otter
just dont have enough cc
covert blaze
Delete hunter from the game
pulsar turtle
but for mobs the cds arent as good as last tier at all
clever path
just dont have enough cc
idk
chrome plover
it's just 2 specs that will get nerfed next reset
clever path
stormbolt initm shockwave + tauren stomp
chrome plover
it's not "utter shit" or "crap"
clever path
is a lot of stops
chrome plover
we arent elemental 
clever path
just no utility
spare otter
tauren stomp?
pulsar turtle
right
clever path
but being unkillable is utility
spare otter
im undead bro
clever path
bro is undead 💀
regal elm
Spellreflecting shout when
spare otter
dont question it man
pulsar turtle
just got me upset. i assume 230k overall in eb
spare otter
theres some tech with being undead
pulsar turtle
is fine correct?
i checked wc logs and every other warrior without aug is less or same
pulsar turtle
no aug
clever path
how the tank pulled
pulsar turtle
24 EB
clever path
i mean if his route was full of big pulls or no
pulsar turtle
2 pack pulls
chrome plover
i checked wc logs and every other warrior without aug is less or same
make sure you're comparing log to log and not log to details
pulsar turtle
can we link in here?
chrome plover
yes
clever path
no clue about no aug dmg
regal elm
Make Sure you dont Talk to bm hunters
chrome plover
yeah i think that is the right call tho ^^
clever path
Make Sure you dont Talk to bm hunters
fotm rerolls*
spare otter
does shockwave/stormbolt stun the guy in fall who does mage volleys?
narrow narwhal
I saw that
chrome plover
heres where i got a quick refrence
yes, but are you comparing it to your own log? or just looking at details
pulsar turtle
well key was bricked so wasnt a log
chrome plover
because 260-280k in logs is probably gonna be 350k on details
clever path
bro why is pips simming so high for me
no one is using it
cba
random 3k vers procs are fun
south kayak
@chrome plover is survival strong
clever path
or mastery
pulsar turtle
chawie im rusty atm
chrome plover
<@173228061074915329> is survival strong
yes it bangs
pulsar turtle
what do i do to compare accurately?
chrome plover
comparing key logs is rough becuase barely anyone actually logs them, and the variation is insane (in pull size/fight duration/chaining etc)
pulsar turtle
right.
chrome plover
but if you really wanna compare you log all of your keys and compare to someone doing the same key level~
regal elm
pulsar turtle
avatar correct?
chrome plover
odyns
regal elm
Balanced bm
pulsar turtle
then avatar after 2 bloodthirst rotatios?
clever path
i play fresh meat with dancing blades instead of ss/skullcraze tr
chrome plover
then avatar after 2 bloodthirst rotatios?
are you using dancing blades or tr?
clever path
reck charge ww during charge ramp odyns
pulsar turtle
then avatar after ?
clever path
troar bb rmap bb ava ramp bb ramp bbetc
chrome plover
^
clever path
u want to ava once the one from odyns falls off
chrome plover
for dancing blades you do this
clever path
and once odyns falls off as well
chrome plover
(and i think dancing blades is better tbh)
clever path
db much more prio dmg which is kinda what fury does atm
chrome plover
since @mossy fox flamed me for running titans rage
clever path
tbf i have a havoc in group that does all the aoe but i fucking shit on him on st so ye
chrome plover
clever path
i oneshot prio targets
pulsar turtle
is dancing or tr better?
regal elm
Are you ethical
chrome plover
tr is defo comfier but I prefer dancing blades now
clever path
aoe often has a lot of overkill
mossy fox
covert blaze
Would you run db on keys around 20?
clever path
you can never go wrong with more st in keys
hoary locust
Still no one looted leg from regular folks?
clever path
Would you run db on keys around 20?
yes
regal elm
No lego 
pulsar turtle
so if im doing 24s rn
rich void
No lego <:sadge:820202363359854633>
dont worry next week forsure
pulsar turtle
i wonder what critcake thinks about warrior dmg rn
regal elm
Atleast i Got the copium on use Thing from mythic bosses
fathom valley
Anyone already dropped the axe?
clever path
and i was doing db opener
tidal kindle
Wait for what
clever path
m+
spare otter
How do you find out what's immune to stuns or not
mossy fox
has to take sd
mossy fox
it's fm that can go in ss or bc
mossy fox
but fm very nice to have
covert blaze
Arms player 
clever path
gfury
chrome plover
Name ain't gfury
mossy fox
ss weak with anni, bc practically useless on aoe
so fm over those makes sense when you play with db
regal elm
Saaame
clever path
ye need a way to guarantee enrage
clever path
ye
molten wing
god there is something about how fury plays this tier
that just made me switch to arms for some reason
i took the arms pill
regal elm
Yes
chrome plover
yes 🤓
regal elm
regal elm
Execute Had Higher prio
tidal kindle
#showtooltip raging blow
/cast rampage
Aswell
tidal kindle
There you go
chrome plover
i prefer this build over last season
based take
fallow oracle
Larodar Looks Like fun on M
disappointing how easy it was tbh
clever path
```
#showtooltip raging blow
/cast rampage
```
covert blaze
i prefer this build over last season
Same
chrome plover
raging blow on every key?
chrome plover
I saw 1m dps on my details for the first time yesterday 
regal elm
Ye i think im too used to arms
chrome plover
#showtooltip execute
/cast bloodthirst
everything can be fixed with one of these macros
regal elm
covert blaze
```
#showtooltip execute
/cast bloodthirst
```
slim pollen
I saw 1m dps on my details for the first time yesterday <:bedge:8823238488449638...
2 dragons + all the small slimes in fall? 😄
fathom wolf
SD procs run out sometimes cause of rage income. Feelsbadman
chrome plover
2 dragons + all the small slimes in fall? 😄
no it was bottom of the stairs with the little gremlins in brh
dark ice
Do you have WA for BT which glows when it is empowered from rampage or OF ?
mighty hull
is there a reason my sim isnt showing reck in the ability log
slim pollen
Ahh
chrome plover
Do you have WA for BT which glows when it is empowered from rampage or OF ?
no, it's 3 bloodthirsts so I just count
clever path
I don't like sitting on SD procs during cds
thats true
chrome plover
but i guess you could make one showing the aura pretty easily
chrome plover
and when reck procs
covert blaze
no, it's 3 bloodthirsts so I just count
I think he means bb, not furious bloodthirst
silver mantle
Do you have WA for BT which glows when it is empowered from rampage or OF ?
I use the old WA from last season BT.
silver mantle
Since it's crit-based
chrome plover
I think he means bb, not furious bloodthirst
well then it's just 1 per rampage
silver mantle
It glows when above 100%
mighty hull
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyW8EcEE15koLf45hkNxnT even the opener seems wrong idk
chrome plover
i feel like you dont need to track that, you just press it straight after rampage always
tidal kindle
where can we look at the apl
Run quick sim > Show html report on the right hand side
clever path
chrome plover
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyW8EcEE15koLf45hkNxnT even the opener se...
why are you simming dungeon slice in single target talents
mighty hull
oh rip didnt change from dungeon slice thats why
clever path
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyW8EcEE15koLf45hkNxnT even the opener se...
i wouldnt sim dslice with st talents
mighty hull
4head
clever path
& i assume means and
and | means or
like in coding but only single character
rampage,if=talent.anger_management&(buff.recklessness.up|buff.enrage.remains<gcd|rage.pct>85)
rampage if u have am talented and (if reck is up or enrage lasts for less than a gcd or u have more than 85 rage)
mossy fox
wish crushing force was just 1 pt yeah
2 point investment for very little gain for arms/fury
tidal kindle
2 point investment for very little gain for arms/fury
Yah but it's so OP for protwar that they have to budget it accordingly
mossy fox
ya
worldly ridge
why is my sim so low? I hit 162k dps in raid?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wffTvj17Z8S269GHd1bQMd
it changes every time
even with diff trinkets
severe fern
maybe you pad on adds?
mossy fox
regal elm
deep niche
nah you are just to good
wraith wharf
🫢
chrome plover
why is my sim so low? I hit 162k dps in raid?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/r...
I think robot is just playing bad today
mossy fox
on council i beat my own sim!
regal elm
Hoooooooooly
tidal kindle
That's not normally
deep niche
huh how
tidal kindle
....someone check critkekw pc
deep niche
well now we know that Crit is better robot
mossy fox
what the
chrome plover
quack..
wraith wharf
narrow narwhal
Got any grapes?
clever path
why is my sim so low? I hit 162k dps in raid?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/r...
ure simming with no raid buffs
not even lust
i mean if u are simming st in keys go ahead
worldly ridge
oh bet
clever path
u should prob sim m+ build in that case
cause u are not lpaying spear and no cleave in m+
chrome plover
god i have crit/haste neck, socketed belt and myth boots
worldly ridge
that is my single target raid build so
chrome plover
maybe i should just play arms
mossy fox
i didnt mind council
clever path
that is my single target raid build so
well then
sim with raid buffs
cause u wil def have lsut
lust*
worldly ridge
aight
clever path
in raid
clever path
i didnt mind council
yeah idk its not that bad its just annoying
chrome plover
radiant coyote
Hitbox on bear charge is annoying. I stand behind the boss and get hit
chrome plover
they nerfed his dumpy a bit
rigid copper
what's the give on the meta race being NE? shadowmeld?
rigid copper
what's the give on the meta race being NE? shadowmeld?
for m+
chrome plover
a lot of people pick night elf for the looks though
races are tiny tiny gains/benefits
and usually very niche
even top end players pick what they like most sometimes
rigid copper
100% i was just curious if there was some tech to it
chrome plover
meld has some niche uses like dodging rezans fixate
so it's always nice to have, but I would say stoneform slightly moreso
regal elm
Human chads
chrome plover
🦗
regal elm
Bet you Play a vulpera chawie
regal elm
tall surge
can we somehow track progression on bad lack protection?
chrome plover
im sure someone will come up with a command for it at some point
but havent seen it yet
also we dont know how it works
currently they are just meaningless gummies in my mind
tall surge
I see
chrome plover
there's be like /print (gobbledygook)
that will show in your chat how many you have
but 🤷♂️
rigid copper
can we somehow track progression on bad lack protection?
i think you're getting something lemme find the article
@tall surge "The cumulative increase to your drop chances will now be available from all difficulties and will be directly represented by players receiving a Greater Ember of Fyr’alath when defeating Fyrakk. Additionally, defeating other encounters within Amirdrassil on Heroic or Mythic difficulty has a chance to award a Lesser Ember of Fyr’alath which will further attune you to the Shadowflame, increasing your cumulative chances on both difficulties. Beyond that, Fyr’alath will continue to drop as Group Loot from Fyrakk on Mythic difficulty at a greatly reduced chance." sounds like you've got something in your bag now to track it and really make it feel bad. haha.
chrome plover
yeah you use the item but cant track the progress anywhere
static root
I got 3 lessers from 4 mythic bosses yesterday
chrome plover
and there's no pointers as to how rare it is
chrome plover
I got 3 lessers from 4 mythic bosses yesterday
I got 2 lessers from full hc clear and 5 mythic bosses
it's over for me
static root
Damn, so full rng
clever path
plucky ice
broo im sure our first lege drops to holy pala
clever path
guildie, yesterday
rigid copper
its group loot. can't wait too see the ole ninja looter videos come back haha
clever path
and he plays frost dk....
chrome plover
its group loot. can't wait too see the ole ninja looter videos come back haha
idk i dont think guilds that kill mythic fyralak are likely to ninja loot
rigid copper
well for mythic anyways
rigid copper
idk i dont think guilds that kill mythic fyralak are likely to ninja loot
you ain't wrong but still. wow meme gold right there
chrome plover
it's not group loot outside of mythic
clever path
idk i dont think guilds that kill mythic fyralak are likely to ninja loot
it will 100% happen
maybe not common but will happen
rigid copper
holy pally rclootmaster needs an OS weapons.. big gains.
clever path
dropped yesterday
plucky ice
i dont think it should even drop from lfr, bro imagine you see someone in 440 gear get it before u
just to luck
clever path
I thought you need to do like 15 superblooms though
ppl can farm it for you also
takes half time
wraith wharf
im glad im not the only one with a battle shout weak aura
clever path
real? i havent seen anything yet
molten wing
should just go unholy
dreamy notch
Also deadspec
wraith wharf
all DK speccs are technically dead
dreamy notch
Its as dead lol
crystal cove
Hey guys, how do you feel about the new gameplay with the 4p on mm+?
dreamy notch
Yep
plucky ice
big burst good
chrome plover
sheeeeesh
i was just skeptical that it was real because so much fake shit going around
last pier
Hey guys, how do you feel about the new gameplay with the 4p on mm+?
It’s fun and then I see any other melee with comparable gear do an extra 1-300k on big pulls in the ~20 range and just feel like I should reroll lol
plucky ice
dk will surely be buffed soon
prisma hound
i was just skeptical that it was real because so much fake shit going around
the char isnt wearing the weapon and neither has the achievement. 
chrome plover
the char isnt wearing the weapon and neither has the achievement. <:deadge:90027...
yeah i just checked that...
but maybe not updated
prisma hound
🕵️ 🤝
chrome plover
only updates when you log out
and if he did the entire quest chain already he probably doesnt log out very often...
plucky ice
bro is gaming
crystal cove
It’s fun and then I see any other melee with comparable gear do an extra 1-300k ...
Same happened to me this morning, but I don't know if I'm bad at the new gameplay or if fury sucks, or both?
I see on warcraft logs that we're upper mid pack on keys
chrome plover
It’s fun and then I see any other melee with comparable gear do an extra 1-300k ...
which "other melee" though because it's literally just dh
crystal cove
So I guess I suck at it 🙂
chrome plover
pugged my 8x 20s for vault yesterday and it's really just bm and dh that pump much harder than fury
soft otter
Rogues too, no?
plucky ice
all those are op and tuned down soon tm
chrome plover
Rogues too, no?
in single target sure, but havent really seen rogues go too crazy in keys
not compared to dh/bm damage wise
but obviously they have insane utility/survivability
empty grove
chrome plover
yep
wraith wharf
feels a bit clunky at times, good other times
hearty geyser
is there any trinket guide here? need to find some good combo for keys. I have rezan, brand, mirror and icicle. Inspecting colleagues doesn't give me a best option. I assume brand is only good when stacks don't fall?
and mirror is ok when you do big pulls once in 3 mins?
eternal sundial
Rezan mirror
chrome plover
brand feels a bit weird in keys imo
i would use rezan mirror out of those
but might of the ocean and crab are bangers
if you can get ur hands on those
hearty geyser
yep, I have all those, except crab
chrome plover
oh if you have ocean I'd use that over mirror
sharp silo
hey how long it takes to find lfr anyone know?
hearty geyser
as a damage spec it took me arond 10 mins last time, one wing
dark ice
https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/bad-luck-protection-on-legendary-a...
so that means If I kill normal fyrakk for the first time lets say 3months into the patch, its gonna cumulate the chance from all previous resets ?
hearty geyser
but it was Wednesday
chrome plover
so that means If I kill normal fyrakk for the first time lets say 3months into t...
you have to kill it every week to get bad luck protection
every week that you kill the boss and dont get the legendary
dark ice
ah
hearty geyser
those BLP tokens are weird
dark ice
Is the ilvl different from different difficulties ?
chrome plover
and then the lesser ones will just be worth a fraction of greater ones
chrome plover
Is the ilvl different from different difficulties ?
nope it's always 496
dark ice
I basically get item that starts some questline right ?
chrome plover
those BLP tokens are weird
I guess they wanna keep it cool and exciting and mysterious, not just farming a number that people can complain about
hearty geyser
I've got two big tokens yesterday, one from heroic Fyrrak, one from some myth boss, Gnarloot or Igira
chrome plover
I basically get item that starts some questline right ?
yea
chrome plover
I've got two big tokens yesterday, one from heroic Fyrrak, one from some myth bo...
I got 1 from heroic fyrakk and 2 small ones
did full hc clear and 5 mythic
hearty geyser
but my friend got big token from some normal loot
chrome plover
you always get greater from fyrakk, lesser are random
hearty geyser
nevertheless, based on my general weapon drop luck -- I will get the axe token in the last day of expac, when there will be fated raids
plucky ice
atleast the mats are cheap by then
plucky ice
hearty geyser
yup
I've bet 100k to my guildie that the token will drop to a non-dps spec player. I expect it will be our holy paladin.
wraith wharf
i mean its personal loot, id imagine several people can loot it at once
plucky ice
it will drop to our dk who barely logs to raid
quaint stag
I assume each time you use the consume for the blp it stacks and you don’t need to save them all to use at once pre-kill?
wraith wharf
its just the bad luck protection "but visible"
chrome plover
except it's not visible once you use it
wraith wharf
i mean.. yeah
inner sonnet
I think its more of a proof that you're getting "something" instead of having completely no info about it like it was with Evoker legendary
wraith wharf
plus you get the little ones from the other bosses in heroic and mythic
so many one handed weapons that look cool from the trading post next month
inner sonnet
there is no info about how big difference in chance these embers bring, is there?
wraith wharf
as far as im aware that is correct
mortal nexus
fury aoe trinkets? any diff from ST choice?
inner sonnet
depends on what you have. For me - rezan eye sims better in ST, while might of the ocean sims better in aoe
sharp silo
do we go BB > rampage > execute even if we are in Execute phase
inner sonnet
2nd trinket I have is hc augury
tiny sky
Guys augury trinket procs Is the working principle haste?
wraith wharf
that is the order it says on wowhead
id imagine you want to keep up the execute stacks though
quaint stag
fury aoe trinkets? any diff from ST choice?
Sim it to be sure but I use might and rezans on st and porcelain crab instead of rezans for m+. Depends on what trinkets you have
wraith wharf
i must listen to crab rave now
chrome plover
do we go BB > rampage > execute even if we are in Execute phase
yes
bb is the new execute
chrome plover
well it just procs once per rampage :p
summer quail
do we go BB > rampage > execute even if we are in Execute phase
In execute phase pure st, bb>exe>rampage
sharp silo
In execute phase pure st, bb>exe>rampage
even if i have rage to do rampage ?
summer quail
Yes
sharp silo
Ty
plucky ice
rampage is there to give bb
summer quail
Only if you have ashen juggernaut talented tho
sharp silo
Only if you have ashen juggernaut talented tho
👍
pure echo
for multi target/aoe in keys etc is there a concensus to bloodbath>excute>rampage or bloodbath>rampage>excute? I checked some logs from some of my M+ runs and it seems like you gain more from fishing for bloodbaths with rampage vs execute since you're not taking any of the execute focused talents (besides sudden death)
chrome plover
correct