fury

[pearl lagoon]

So then that makes sense

[restive peak]

They're the same named item though

[hard widget]

Since heroic gives more chance than normal

[restive peak]

There's no N/H tag

[snow edge]

Yes but they've confirmed higher difficulty = greater chance

So no need to have a N/H tag

[restive peak]

Yes...I know....he still got 2 of the major 1s in 1 day, so it's POSSIBLE you can get it and it's 2x the BLP

[snow edge]

The Heroic one probably just overrode the normal one, and topped it up to the equivalent level of BLP

[restive peak]

They never explicitely said otherwise

That's also possible

[snow edge]

I very much doubt it doubles it

[pearl lagoon]

We don’t know what goes on in the background, but I’d still guess if he did heroic first he would have not gotten one in normal

[hard widget]

It would be weird if they say that heroic makes it so that you dont have to do lfr/normal and then make u farm those for bad luck protection items kekw

[restive peak]

IDK I'm not gonna gamble, fyrakk norm will take 5m

[snow edge]

I'd imagine what I suggested is much more likely, knowing blizzard

[restive peak]

Agreed, but we don't know

[snow edge]

Of course, just theorizing

[restive peak]

Ofc

Same

Some people already got leggo, right? Lucky fucks

[hard widget]

Watch me loot it on the next raid 😎

[winged heart]

is ti ok to run 2set 2set or wait for 4?

[shell jackal]

2pc/2pc is fine, 4pc makes a good difference tho

[clever path]

sim

[shell jackal]

use the old talent builds with 2-2 im p sure, but yes, sim

[clever path]

its most likely better on st

with anni

but worse in keys

in m+ id go t30 4p in raid 2p+2p anni

[hard widget]

Thats actually not true, for me new build was better

[restive peak]

You swap Onslaught for OF

[clever path]

you play anni

the problem without 4p is that in keys u have no cds

ever

u dont get the cdr reduction

[hard widget]

That mostly yes

But considering you have 2 catalyst charges and a mark available, you only needed to loot 1 tier set piece out of lfr/nm/hc or vault in these weeks

To complete 4 set

So if you dont have it with that in mind you can be considered quite unlucky

[clever path]

idk the chances of not having 4p are very very low

lfr + full normal + full hc + catalyst

• 2k/heroic curio

2 full raid clears

[hard widget]

Well since 3rd week now

U can have 3 full raid clears this week

[clever path]

and 1 more catalyst charge

its impossible to not be 4p this week

[shell jackal]

oh okay my mistake

[clever path]

26% vers

[meager void]

so about the embers, use before engaging fyrak ?

[fading bane]

yes

they supposedly increase the chance of it dropping

[rich marlin]

is rashon a good weapon?

[fading bane]

what is rashon

[rich marlin]

the polearm from fyrakk

[oblique trail]

no

compared to just any other strength weapon

[fading bane]

isnt that agi+

?

[oblique trail]

it is

[fading bane]

ofc its dogshit

[rich marlin]

oh agi didnt know anything about it lol

got it lol

[misty helm]

Not one ember dropped for me lol

[fallen quarry]

man. got like 4 lesser ones this week

2 from mythic -> 2 from heroic

[charred tide]

Can we use lesser and greater ember in one week?

[hardy fog]

yes

[chilly fractal]

I got 1 lesser 😦

[brittle crow]

what if u
wanted to go to heaven
but god said
EVERYTHING BURNS
INCLUDING YOU

[upbeat plume]

so the embers are also rng?

[chilly fractal]

lessers appear to be

[olive wraith]

So nothing from normal?

[spark maple]

so legendary is random lucky drop

[wise jewel]

did you think it would be anything else

[vestal stirrup]

Only from fryrak right?

[clever path]

wowhead says this does nothing

[spark maple]

confirmed drop

[sullen tendon]

bad luck protection

[meager gyro]

so is the leggo dropping on NA servers even tho liquid big poopies ?

[umbral ingot]

bro is reading wowhead post from 10 years ago

[umbral ingot]

check bluepost

this is old already

[clever path]

ah

i see

[olive wraith]

Leggo goes to anyone with less than 3 warriors in the account

[meager gyro]

time to pay 10 different subscriptions

[olive wraith]

[quiet bramble]

Neat, I'm up to 14% avoidance

[modest condor]

heroic augury in my vault poggiwoggies

[shell jackal]

myth track tier or egg shell

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/JVwD9/5ea221ae7a.png

[clever path]

Egg shell sucks

[clever path]

It sims so low for me despite big ilvl disparity

[shell jackal]

ok that narrows it down thank you hahaha

[obsidian jackal]

thats a tough one wtf

[modest condor]

probably rezan

[obsidian jackal]

serpent or eye?

[oblique trail]

Rezan

[shell jackal]

rezan ++++

[median narwhal]

Well

[obsidian jackal]

i guess its a no brainer then lol

[modest condor]

myth track rezan or hero track serpent, is that really a question?

[obsidian jackal]

yeah true

[oblique trail]

all of the raid trinkets are pretty meh, the 2 HC tier pieces you can catalyse from any M+ loot or get from HC quite easily

and the rezan trinket on myth track you'd use for a long time

[shell jackal]

how do you sim the vault, again? /simc while the vaults open?

[oblique trail]

yes

[shell jackal]

and then top gear i assume

[clever path]

Tbf the cataclysmic trinket was for me the biggest upgrade despite being hero track. It sims higher than other trinkets on myth track

[modest condor]

yeah but serpent isnt signet brand

one is the best trinket by far and the other is just a random raid trinket

[clever path]

Yeah just mean that sometimes it's not intuitive sadly

[subtle lagoon]

Holy shit this game hates me, looks like a socket angle

[modest condor]

really?

dont need any of the m+ pieces for catalyst?

[clever path]

Why not take Myth track tier?

Or are you a mythic raider

[modest condor]

can you dualwield augury?

[oblique trail]

can you dualwield the lego?

[clever path]

[median narwhal]

Don't know what to do with this. Could change my 450 boots or ring, or change the lfr set gloves with a hero

[oblique trail]

guess it's a lot better than sockie ig

[modest condor]

big vers

[oblique trail]

ye it'll inflate my signet/augury sims even more for loot council

[clever path]

Isn't this trinket kinda nutty or am I confusing it with something?

[lilac totem]

posted a fury log in log review if any chads able to teach me how to cast slam properly.. and maybe improve otherwise?

[clever path]

Better sim this vault tbh

[summer notch]

Is pip good for fury?

[oblique trail]

It's fine, but there are better

[median narwhal]

Already have serpents & crab for trinkets

Sim better than this

[spare otter]

guess its a rezan angle

[cedar sequoia]

Why vers+mastery neck is BIS for fury here ? I got it 489 ilvl and champion helmet so im confused what to pick

[past lagoon]

has anyone actually gotten a legendary from non mythic yet

[modest condor]

saw a screenshot earlier of heroic

[oblique trail]

SOmeone sent a screenshot earlier of someone getting it

[vocal fog]

why my sims let me play only 22% haste ><

what haste u guys@

[oblique trail]

an amount

[quiet bramble]

got my first greater ember, woo

won't consume quite yet just in case

[fallow sparrow]

Why are people deeming that it does nothing?

[summer quail]

not bad

[olive wraith]

Hi vers club

[quiet bramble]

wowhead datamining

[clever path]

Bis list is just a guideline. Don't take it seriously

[quiet bramble]

there's a hidden currency thingy

[fallow sparrow]

Either not fully understanding it, or it just makes no sense

[quiet bramble]

I have faith Blizzard will make sure it works

[buoyant salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656278269347233815/1179270852567650384/image.png?ex=65792c91&is=6566b791&hm=80106716fc6d64ed3afec023194e2a48ee9719b4658776db3a45e83620146e4e&

[fallow sparrow]

All its supposed to do is give you a .5% in the background

[oblique trail]

very fair drop pool

[fallow sparrow]

or any number

[clever path]

😂

[clever path]

just dfont use it

its bugged

[quiet bramble]

The lesser "extra" BLP is trackable for some reason

[clever path]

[fallow sparrow]

Trackable in what sense though?

[clever path]

heroic augury

we take those

[quiet bramble]

I had a 274k crit Bloodbath. 😄

[errant pond]

Whats the sim addon called again I hadda reset

[drifting iris]

at least i will get my 4set this week (non-raider)

[clever path]

simulationcraft

[errant pond]

ty

[shell jackal]

why is it telling me to swap gnarlroot and the sword around?

[clever path]

margin of error

[shell jackal]

smold sword has more dps & flat damage

oh

fair

[oblique trail]

don't look at it

[shell jackal]

[oblique trail]

it'll do this if you for some reaosn pick the weapons in both slots

[hollow glen]

OUR HOLY PALADIN LOOTED THE AXE. BLIZZARD?!!?!

[clever path]

as long as they are the same ilvl it doesnt metter

[upbeat plume]

flat damage what is this 2004? lol

[shell jackal]

[shell jackal]

alright cheers, you too @clever path

[clever path]

wait so do i have to do 8/9 hc and mythic reclear

and then fyrakk hc

[shell jackal]

its telling me to pick the hero track 467 legs as supposed to myth track tier

isn't filling out 4/4 myth track tier better first?

[quiet bramble]

might be a bigger upgrade

[shell jackal]

think ur right

goddamnit

L

another disappointing vault

[quiet bramble]

you can pick between long term bis or short term gain

[clever path]

there is no way 467 legs are better than 489 max upgrade

467 are what

483 max

or 476 i dont rember

[quiet bramble]

Unless they have like 415 legs

[shell jackal]

ignore the trinket, i had on crimson serpent for some m+ testing

but its tellin me

[clever path]

whats ur other option?

[shell jackal]

myth track gloves

[quiet bramble]

what ilvl is your current legs?

[shell jackal]

HC shoulders (slight upgrade, mine are NM), boots suck, bracers suck, eggshell suck

champion 3/8 460, haste mainstat, 402 vers offstat

but they're farmable

because they're from rise

a key, so, something i can repeatedly run for the 470 hero version

[quiet bramble]

odd that 6 ilvls on legs is beating 16 on gloves then

[shell jackal]

maybe i'm simming it wrong? idfk

[errant pond]

just simmed because I got my new 4set and for some reason the old 4set does more dmg like what

[shell jackal]

🤷‍♂️

[quiet bramble]

did you sim the new build?

[ashen socket]

We gaming now

[shell jackal]

what would you take? @quiet bramble you too big boy

gimme some opinions

[errant pond]

yeah I simmed both old and new

[spare otter]

almost at the 200k mark

[clever path]

hands are bis

[shell jackal]

i think i go myth track tier instead of heroic legs lmao, just my thoughts on it

yeah

[quiet bramble]

I honestly don't know, myth tier is an investment for later, I am confused why the legs are simming better unless your legs are way way low.

[clever path]

long term hands

[shell jackal]

can just get hc legs drop or tier legs

cheers fellas

[warped bone]

Think i know what trinket I'll take 😄

[clever path]

insane m+ trinky

[warped bone]

I had Mirror last week also. Didn't get picked then either

[young swan]

any other 5k vers havers?

[quiet bramble]

oh neat, dreaming essence prices collapsed

[spiral ridge]

yep same stats as me atm

[errant pond]

this is the right m+ build right

[clever path]

6.6k

[young swan]

[clever path]

doomed

actual vers stacker

[young swan]

dude i love the jewelry this tier

[earnest galleon]

ret in the pally discord had leggo drop

[young swan]

just so insane weighted

its hilarious

[warped bone]

Immortal boi

[clever path]

should i 8/9hc

then reclear

and then do fyrakk

or do i just go fyrakk now

[earnest galleon]

its confirmed dropping so just go i think

[clever path]

ik it is but if i can farm out embers now

before fyrakk

if they dont apply after reset

[quiet bramble]

if you wanna max your BLP kill Normal Fyrakk and 8/9 heroic then kill Heroic Fyrakk

[clever path]

dont kill normal fyrakk

heroic has hc+normal chance

if u dont kill normal

[quiet bramble]

Normal drops BLP though

[young swan]

no it doesnt

[warped bone]

Heroic just trumps normal wym?

[quiet bramble]

Off Fyrakk it does

[young swan]

yeah but it doesnt matter

[quiet bramble]

Greater Embers can drop on any difficulty. (Assuming it actually works and wowhead datamined wrong)

[shell jackal]

the BLP; isn't it, like, kill HC Fyrakk and it counts as both a heroic and a normal kill? because you're killing the one UP from normal? or am i totally whackass wrong

[young swan]

with the norm BLP you would just have the same chance as killing heroic fyrakk

[clever path]

yes killing mythic consumes all chances heroic consumes heroic normal nad lfr chances

[young swan]

like BLP changes literally nothing except potentially the small tokens from heroic + mythic but even those might not do anything until the following week

[quiet bramble]

Let's say Greater is a .5% BLP, normal alone is 1%, heroic is 2%. Kill just heroic you get 3% chance, but do normal, and the BLP works, 2.5% on heroic adds up to 3.5%

[edgy widget]

We've had 6 tank trinkets drop, never seen a DPS one on any difficulty yet

Also no weapons

[quiet bramble]

you're assuming the greater does nothing or it's intended to be a placebo

[vague copper]

Slack to much with keylvls but I take it 😛

[clever path]

archi u are a wise man should we 8/9hc reclear mythic and then do heroic fyrakk? or does the blp kick in after reset?

[shell jackal]

please bless us with your presence, o great warrior

us humble peasants require your aid

[young swan]

literally no one knows!

[shell jackal]

hahahaha

[young swan]

because blizz didnt provide enough info!

crazy!

[clever path]

wow!

never seen that one before!

[oblique trail]

I think it's just a

[shell jackal]

standard 20-year old spaghetti coding indie company moves!

[oblique trail]

Run the raid

and not care

[young swan]

^

[oblique trail]

angle

[shell jackal]

alright solid

[ornate gust]

Dude the weapon is like 4-5% dps increase. Not a big deal

[quiet bramble]

I mean if you take their word on the most recent blue post the only thing we don't know is whether blp earned this week applies this week or next.

[compact knot]

achivement named argussy up

holy fuck

[inner zinc]

I consumed mine as i got it. Doesnt feel like theres a valid reason to hoard them

[young swan]

we also dont know the drop chances or the BLP increases

we dont even know if the BLP is the same across difficulties

[slim coral]

with the new spear visual is our range also wider inside?

It looks like it

[fading bane]

is ait ig

[clever path]

but

orange weapon 😦

i want orange weapon

[oblique trail]

could be worse

[quiet bramble]

only way to know that is for people to see if they get greaters on normal and heroic

[fading bane]

ye is ok

[shell jackal]

i, too, want sun-coloured weapon

[oblique trail]

I'm unironically

[fading bane]

i had 473 ones

[oblique trail]

considering socket maybe

[restive peak]

I got a 2nd BLP just now in mythic

Had the big heroic 1

[fading bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iTKvfj3xXw6W4L8PSbr8bD after i send upgrades

[oblique trail]

but just holding until HC tomorrow

[ashen socket]

That just sounds

depressing

[oblique trail]

sheesh

[fading bane]

but surely i get legendary or myth wep right

[clever path]

for me it was between socket or 10 ilvl hands increase but its myth track so we gaming

[oblique trail]

I sim 202k after catalysing and upgrading stuff

[quiet bramble]

interesting

[ashen socket]

its ok ill be grinding till week 16 for the axe cause my luck is so good rn

[fading bane]

catalysing nymue gloves and equipping that helm is large

[oblique trail]

oh you got a socketed council helm too

ngl

[quiet bramble]

or do you mean a lesser

[oblique trail]

pretty sure it's just a catalyst legs angle for me

[gleaming crag]

I didnt get lego axe first time on normal games rigged

[clever path]

need signet

[oblique trail]

got it as well last night

so yeah

[fading bane]

true, mythic one is 4k dps

[clever path]

true and real (i still dont have one)

literally 0 drops

[fading bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ngG7PCfzc2V4rdFJWQEMmb this is real sim, no crests used

4k from crests pretty big

[south kayak]

Same name, kinda weird if it’s no longer blue to have that name lol

[sullen dove]

just got lesser ember so it is safe to just use it right

no reason to hold or anything

[clever path]

spear of the maw

[fading bane]

use it

[sullen dove]

only actual "theoretical" metagaming would be to save heroic fyrakk till after some mythic

[clever path]

[fading bane]

yup

[south kayak]

[subtle lagoon]

I'm a fan of blue spear, it just needed to be toned down heavily

[young swan]

blue spear SUX

[clever path]

i'm a fan of invisible spear

remove it

[sullen dove]

[south kayak]

Spear of the warrior

[quiet bramble]

What I want back is Ancient Aftershocks

I miss that sucker

[south kayak]

I miss you

[quiet bramble]

Yes I know it's basically Thunderous

[slim coral]

the new visual makes it loko like the range is wider

[quiet bramble]

But pretty blue

[slim coral]

like the standing inside part

[clever path]

yeah i miss pull all aggro in 9.1

[south kayak]

I mean it’s not really

[clever path]

true

[lean nacelle]

change spear to blood of the enemy

[south kayak]

It’s a aoe cone ability with capped aoe

[clever path]

real

[south kayak]

With front loaded damage

[quiet bramble]

It's only missing the knock up, otherwise it's a cone that applies a dot

[clever path]

tbf its good utility

cause it keeps knocking down

[glacial wraith]

yo guys, just came back to retail, what stats should be focused on as a fury warrior

[quiet bramble]

I just sim myself

[south kayak]

And tank just moved away from it

[modest condor]

make it uncapped

[clever path]

same with spear tbh

they got rid of rune of power

[south kayak]

You can’t move away from spear dot

[clever path]

but not spear

[south kayak]

The mobs can’t

[clever path]

yeah but u can move away from me and elysian might

or

there could be a frontal

(there is)

or a swirlie that onetaps

i fucking hate spear and having to run away from it

[south kayak]

Wasn’t TR a frontal in beta

Or alpha

[tidal kindle]

Where wft

[quiet bramble]

It might have been, and that's what I think of it as still, didn't know it changed even

[clever path]

no clue but it sounds familiar

[south kayak]

It’s circle around you

[quiet bramble]

First iteration

[clever path]

nah its ower

over

actually

double wafting time

[quiet bramble]

That's why I equate it with Ancient Aftershocks so much

It was actually one of the last changes to the spell before it went live that made it the pbaoe

[south kayak]

That’s pretty much AA lol

Aside from the very low damage lol

[ornate gust]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularNurturingLemurKappaClaus-4lRyrPp9PmXaxhFp?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api

[south kayak]

[clever path]

man i need weapons

[south kayak]

Is that in neltharus

[clever path]

cba with 483

[spare otter]

I've moved on from the nerf dh train

[south kayak]

Saw live

[spare otter]

now im on the nerf rogues train

[south kayak]

Nerf assassination*

[spare otter]

^

[clever path]

meh

not a big fan tbh

3 seconds of doing nothing sounds annoying

[quiet bramble]

I'll be sad when they nerf sin, but I gotta admit doing 80k dps with no enchants at 434 ilvl is a tad too good

[clever path]

its like puzzlebox but not as annoying

[south kayak]

You’re not doing nothing though

[keen kindle]

Puzzlebox but cooler

[drifting iris]

You still can move?

[south kayak]

At least on ST xd

[clever path]

is it split damage?

[south kayak]

Yes

[clever path]

i wouldnt use it on opener

[keen kindle]

AW man

[quiet bramble]

oh that got confirmed? Pity

[clever path]

in downtime prob

[quiet bramble]

at least in AoE you technically can spread marks

[crude gate]

do we run double wafting dev now?

[quiet bramble]

but 10% per target doesn't equal to good scaling with targets

[clever path]

sim

[south kayak]

The marks do decent damage too

And they’re all uncapped

[clever path]

its simming higher for me prob cause i have 25% haste and 31% vers

[south kayak]

Assuming you can get them on the target easier

Warriors can do it insta with ww

[clever path]

yer

[south kayak]

But dks it might take longer

[quiet bramble]

oh, so it works off any melee attack?

[peak bloom]

make sure to include earthen devotion in your sim mine came outta nowhere like 700 dps over double wafting

[south kayak]

Direct yea

Doesn’t work with diseases

[quiet bramble]

DKs can probably do it easily enough with DnD cleave

[south kayak]

Or dots

[quiet bramble]

and rets have their passive cleave

[south kayak]

True enough

[peak bloom]

someone said that meeres couldnt get it to DnD cleave

[south kayak]

Oh I remember

I saw that

He couldn’t for some reason

They’ll probably fix that

Seems unintended

[clever path]

ye

[twilit temple]

Theoretically, could you make a single button macro for a portion of the rotation since it’ll use the next ability if the previous one is on CD?

[clever path]

why would u

[twilit temple]

Just shower thoughts lol

[clever path]

idk prob could

[untold trench]

hmmm i seem to recall you could do a macro like this

/cast Recklessness
/cast [@player] [known:376079] Spear of Bastion
/cast [known:385059] Odyn's Fury
/cast Avatar
/use 14

but seems to break either spear or odyn's fury lol

cant have both in one like you could with thunderous roar

[hard widget]

Why would u throw spear before odyns tho

U’ll miss the avatar proc from odyns to boost spear dmg

[untold trench]

just an example i tried it a few different ways

[drowsy island]

oh shit your right https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6iJ4kon4GWbf7XijeNKqFa

[crude gate]

you dont want odyns and ava in the same macro if you run titans torment

[untold trench]

i mean if this macro worked

/cast Recklessness
/cast [known:385059] Odyn's Fury
/cast [@player] [known:376079] Spear of Bastion
/cast Avatar
/use 14

why not? avatar after odyns would still give the proc

unfortunately it doesnt lol

[modest condor]

odyn's and spear are both on the gcd

cant have 2 abilities on the gcd in the same macro

[crude gate]

because odyns give you a mini ava and you dont want to overlap it with big ava?

[oblique trail]

because casting both at the same time makes you lose a lot of dancing blades uptime, and massively clip the OF bleed

[nocturne tiger]

i'm simming like 1k higher with this, how bad is the proc?

[pine dew]

Not sure what to take 🤔 I have a 447 neck still because of bad luck and that neck in raid is going to have alot of competition and i have aug/brand as my trinkets so other choice would be myth tier piece

[fading bane]

you can just farm neck

from BRH

or DHT

Myth track legs good

[pine dew]

Yeah thats what im thinking

[subtle lagoon]

447 rings gang

[modest condor]

i upgraded my neck from 447 to 483 yesterday

[untold trench]

ahh i see i misread the buff... i thought it added time on top

ok

[pulsar prawn]

dht or brh neck are farmable .. legs can also be from 1st boss ... sandglass is meh.. so everything is meh.. so maybe just a short them thing (simm it)... (or if you dont kill first soon on mythic then legs )

[untold trench]

i get it

[quiet bramble]

I wonder if I should buy dreaming essences right now

[verbal pond]

Hello everyone, the best consumables and enchants for fury remain the same as wowhead guide states?

[eager wraith]

ez trinket

[verbal pond]

or anyone found a better combo of those?

[oblique trail]

The avatar and 2p bonus gets added, the rest gets clipped

[modest condor]

[rotund steppe]

still havent gotter mine

im running branch and 441 anvil

[eager wraith]

even got a nice key today gonna be a good day, cant wait to get axe on 1st fyrakk kill

[quiet bramble]

I have 450 Shalamayne and LFR branches. Shalamayne is pretty nice for it's ilvl honestly

[clever path]

anvil

lmao

most hated trinket of all time

i fucking despise it

[rotund steppe]

im not running anil cuz i want to trust me ;_;

havent gotten shit for 2 weeks

[urban drum]

Lads, got this tonight in raid. Am I understanding correctly I pop this on fyrakk platform before pull? Has a use button in my bag

[quiet bramble]

1 lesser for sure, can't hurt

[rotund steppe]

oh yeah also not a single lesser ember

[quiet bramble]

we know at least 1 lesser a week works

[pulsar prawn]

same.. ill dogded those trinkets yet.. for arms they simmed so low so other meele got them first (after these im done with normal )

[untold trench]

hmmm are you sure? because i just tested and it looked like dancing blade got time added

[oblique trail]

It gets clipped

[untold trench]

what am i misunderstanding

[oblique trail]

As in

You lose uptime from the buff

It doesn't fully add up to 20 seconds, more like 13 or something off the top of my head

If you insta pop at the same time

[rotund steppe]

ye 13

[clever path]

its like rend

[pulsar prawn]

you loose at least 2nd odyns fury...

witht the next 2x rampage / BB pretty neat m+ burst

[serene oar]

is there a macro that swaps a spear with @cursor and roar?

[covert void]

do we do normal before heroic then? or doesn't it matter hm.

[untold trench]

boo blizz for clipping just add it up!

[sullen dove]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Spear of Bastion,@cursor] Spear of Bastion; [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

works for me at least

[serene oar]

tyvm

[silent gazelle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGpG2eWzuUUqzPGuwVf5BD

I have this helm and neck in my vault

I hate this vault

[untold trench]

if you run out of space

use ids instead

[sullen dove]

if my goal is to pad on tindral roots, any recommendation whether i odyns pull and hold avatar for the odyn cdr, or just avatar pull since roots come out like 10 sec in and ava would stay up

[digital moss]

Are servers up?

[sullen dove]

id lose some early cdr on odyns but i imagine losing like 6 sec of avatar and everything else during lust on pull is worse

[oblique trail]

eu has been up for hours

[serene oar]

is there a macro that uses the cauldron version of ultimate power first and if not then the non cauldron one?

[sullen dove]

ya you just put them in order

[quiet herald]

Do i wait for Dancing blades to get to 3 seconds before popping ava? or we do the wait 4 seconds pop ava?

[serene oar]

nice tyvm

[sullen dove]

the 4 sec wait only necessary

dropping av worse

[quiet herald]

kk

[clever path]

no you press ava when ur odyn's ava falls off

[pulsar prawn]

#showtooltip
/use Fleeting Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/use Fleeting Elemental Potion of Power
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/use Elemental Potion of Power

[untold trench]

i just use item id's as it takes less space (and i add it into other macros)

[vital mesa]

do you pop odyns when you pop rek avatar or wait for the 3 bt to fall off

[pulsar prawn]

#fury message

[abstract dirge]

"As with Nasz’uro, completion on higher difficulties will include your chances from all uncompleted lower difficulties that week–this also includes the cumulative increase in chances for future weeks."
does this mean once u clear heroic no point in doing normal?

[sullen dove]

mission accomplished

[oblique trail]

Keep in mind what you just referred to assumes you're using Titanic Rage

And not how you do it if you have Dancing Blades

[pulsar prawn]

yeah its aoe build ^^

[oblique trail]

Ok sure

But even in M+ you can very well use Dancing Blades

Because it's just better

[clever path]

i use db with fm

db fm goated

[covert void]

ahh so only need to do heroic now. at least from what that says

[nocturne tiger]

Is gholakk and actually alright offhand ? I'm simming higher than my current offhand on ST. am i missing something ? Maybe sim misjudging the proc?

[pulsar prawn]

ye sure its on first mythic bosses also 50/50 ish ^^ wondering tho if big weapon ilvl and haste will help db .. but i like TR burst currently

[oblique trail]

Sure, Titanic helps with just bursting

But after that it's just immediately worse

Titanic is just more quality of life than actually good

[quiet bramble]

Does fury like the doomwalker neck the same way outlaw rogue does?

[oblique trail]

not really no

[quiet bramble]

I wonder which melee do right now

[oblique trail]

Whichever way

If you're gonna show someone what the opener is

At least make sure to tell them which opener is

And that it's different based on TR or DB

[cyan cedar]

whats our stats. im seeing some say haste mastery some say haste until 28% then verse. i dont get it

[verbal pond]

is double wafting on weps a good thing?

[clever path]

both sim yourself

[young swan]

yeah its fien

[quiet bramble]

dps specs have it easy, just sim yourself

[verbal pond]

ok thnx 🙂

[olive wraith]

As a very broad suggestion the wowhead guide says mastery>vers but sim each piece of gear you get

Each player is gonna want different stats at any given time

[clever path]

just sim

[meager gyro]

know who double wafts?

[clever path]

trust robot

[clever path]

im running double waft

[meager gyro]

your mom double wafts

[clever path]

[wanton mirage]

so many hordes helped protect the tree and Nelfs gonna established a capitle under the tree and their guards are gonna attack those same hordes in future?

[sinful spoke]

well

nelves have always been

assholes anyways

[fathom wolf]

Does anyone have the new opener jotted down for 4 piece?

[olive wraith]

Should be on wowhead

[oblique trail]

Assuming Dancing Blades
Reck + Charge -> Ramp -> OF -> Spear/Roar -> BB -> Ramp -> Avatar -> BB -> Ramp

If Titanic Rage, no need to Ramp before OF

[olive wraith]

You might still want ramp to cast bb directly after odyns

[oblique trail]

Or Reck + Charge for that matter

[olive wraith]

Not sure if it’s a huge diff

[primal bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h9qr4QToRziAy6FGTP56WP

almost 200K club

[olive wraith]

[spare otter]

does lego drop from all bosses?

[toxic grove]

I just killed fyrakk and didnt get the blp

is that normal?

[modest condor]

imagine having an enhance shaman in your raid

[clever path]

signet

and u are 200k

[covert void]

this is confusing to me as what's the point of blp if it doesn't drop lol the on use things.

[clever path]

real

[elder tree]

Does Fyr'alath have a chance to drop in all difficulties? Like, if i killed him on Normal, do i still have a chance to get it in heroic?

[clever path]

afaik yes but if you do it on heroic first you "consume" both chances

so just do it on hc

[sullen dove]

no legendary first global

[elder tree]

well, i'm going with guild normal tonight, then heroic after, so ye :p

[olive wraith]

I’m gonna be sad pugging fyrak this week

[arctic raft]

is it normal to have "dead" GCDs where you dont have enough rage to rampage and BB/Slam is on CD?

[olive wraith]

It’s rare but it can happen

[elder tree]

happens sometimes

[arctic raft]

ok cool

I wonder if I need more haste

[elder tree]

Bloodthirst is a short cooldown, so downtime shouldn't be That long 🙂

[spare otter]

i nee augury in my life

that shit is insane

[arctic raft]

right

[olive wraith]

Probably better off running out to charge

[tepid forge]

does the chances of looting the legendary drop if u do normal before heroic etc?

meaning, is it better to do heroic first or does it not matter

[primal bane]

higher first

[tepid forge]

ait

[tacit crag]

So is it best to full clear normal and heroic every week to farm the blp? Doesn't it drop off non fyrakk bosses?

[compact crater]

Big trinket

[rotund steppe]

we need more bad fake screenshots of the legendary in the vault

[olive wraith]

Wow

[modest condor]

omg no way

[rotund steppe]

omg!!

[compact crater]

OMG Its real no way

[olive wraith]

(Insert comment here)

[olive wraith]

Nice

Can’t wait to get my 2nd

[rotund steppe]

this would be funnier in a full lfr/ heroic dungeons vault

[covert blaze]

every time i look at this channel i see those two pictures

[olive wraith]

lol that would be pretty great

[compact crater]

anyways guys, have a wonderful day, i will fail my final exams in an hour ^^

[olive wraith]

[rotund steppe]

just dont fail

[olive wraith]

Zugzug bruv

[rotund steppe]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[south kayak]

Skill issue

[olive wraith]

Just sim it

[compact crater]

Nah 0 braincells human

[olive wraith]

[compact crater]

yeah should have simed my brain

[south kayak]

Imagine if you could sim a test

[olive wraith]

Needs more versatility

And mastery

Probably

Less haste

[south kayak]

Did you see my sims

That’s exactly what it says

[olive wraith]

I mean we should be simming more vers

Robot said to use high vers low mast gems

[rotund steppe]

my sim wants all the mastery in the game

[olive wraith]

For me

Did you drop mastery while getting tier

[south kayak]

That’s because you’re gearless

[olive wraith]

Or other pieces

lol

[rotund steppe]

nah im gearless cuz i hae bad luck :c

i do hae 45% mastery lmao

[olive wraith]

I wish we could react to posts sometimes

[south kayak]

What’s your ilvl

[rotund steppe]

470

[south kayak]

My warrior is 460 rn

The neck from BRH is giving me high versa

I have adhd

[rotund steppe]

what i want i dont get it lmao

[south kayak]

What do you want

I got 4p in one normal run

[rotund steppe]

BRH sword and neck

[south kayak]

Does that make me lucky

[rotund steppe]

a damn trinket

[south kayak]

I have an lfr weapon equipped

[rotund steppe]

same

[south kayak]

Still using animated blood

[rotund steppe]

[south kayak]

[rotund steppe]

replaced mine with branch

[south kayak]

That’s why mastery gone

[rotund steppe]

prob lmao

[low folio]

signet is good in aoe too right?

[trail bane]

Did over 30 DHTs last week, no ring. Then i get this in vault

[sullen dove]

[low folio]

signet vs branch in aoe, signet feels like a st trinket

[gilded pawn]

so is branch

branch has the bfa split

signet does so much on ST that it may as well be aoe

[silk wharf]

brand also splits doesnt it

[low folio]

ill try it out in a dungeon later, just got it from the timewalking quest

[clever path]

you forget it also does aoe damage at 15 stacks

[low folio]

im assuming the damage is high because it procs constantly

so longer fights make it better

[lucid owl]

is there any weakauras we need with t31?
i know t30 it was useful to have the crit% weakaura

[rigid stirrup]

I am nearing full power

[clever path]

gg

[clever path]

probably just a base avatar buff tracker so you can use it right as the one from OF wears off

[gilded pawn]

that aoe damage is nothing, its a split

anything that split may as well be ST

essentially says "do 10% of its damage to a 2nd target"

[languid estuary]

Is there a specific amount of haste required for keys with 4p? I'm sitting at 20% at the moment and it seems way too low

[gilded pawn]

in fact its worse than the bfa split because bfa split is 50% increase at 5 targets

[gilded pawn]

whatever sims the best

[lucid owl]

thought we were tracking odyn dot?

[languid estuary]

Dungeon slice for simming?

[soft otter]

Patchwerk 1 boss for ST, Patchwerk 5 boss for MT

[south kayak]

I have a champion upgrade level of this one lol

[soft otter]

It was worth killing hc Fyrakk last night 😛

[south kayak]

gz btw

[rigid stirrup]

Augury brothers

[south kayak]

Take augury

much rare

[soft otter]

And sims best for both ST and MT too

[languid estuary]

why does 4p S2 sim higher than 4p season 3 tho

even when the season 3 4p is all 470

[sullen dove]

are you.. using the new talents with s3 4p?

[dense elm]

[sullen dove]

470 i have to imagine is far past saying s2 tier is better

[languid estuary]

yup, 5 targets with old talents and old tier, reckons it's 407k, and S3 4p with new talents simming 30k lower

[sullen dove]

oh 5 targets

[gilded pawn]

also

[sullen dove]

i mean yea its not as good aoe

[gilded pawn]

link sim

[sullen dove]

sure

but its still fine and wayyyy better single target prio damage

[gilded pawn]

last time we tried figuring this out for someone

[eager wraith]

imagine having this guys luck

[gilded pawn]

their talents were just wrong

[eager wraith]

99 on trinket 100 on tier

[sullen dove]

gonna be hard pressed to beat ravager/avatar/reck every 30 seconds

[gilded pawn]

i highly doubt that

theres dev somthing wrong with the sim

especially when its 25 extra ilevels

[sullen dove]

idk mayb

[young swan]

@languid estuary can u link the sim

[south kayak]

is ashes bad

also what thefuck

99 and 100

[languid estuary]

I'm just running both side by side now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fNcD9hR6MUeJMmbMfdH1Ry

[gilded pawn]

i highly recommend you run 2 quicksims

[languid estuary]

Yeah I'm just trying to work it out because I havem't used the catalyst charge to get the 4p yet

[primal bane]

lost Augury to a DH in my heroic raid tonight feelsbad

[languid estuary]

Wating for a hero track piece to drop

[south kayak]

i lost serpent coil yday

by 1 roll

98

someone rolled 99

[primal bane]

yea but coil sucks

[south kayak]

It's pretty good

[oblique trail]

compared to alternatives

it's pretty shit

[south kayak]

damn

guess it's fine then

what trinket should i farm in m+

s

[primal bane]

i have razan and mirror coil is a dps loss

[south kayak]

rezan for sure right

[primal bane]

razan and mirror will prob be bis

[gilded pawn]

before you run it

[primal bane]

maybe sandglass

[gilded pawn]

you are missing uproar in 10.2 tier

[south kayak]

imagine having to run the same dungeon for 2 different chars' bis trinkets

rezan and mydas

im losing it

[languid estuary]

Good point actually

That probably solves all my questions

[gilded pawn]

not that you shouldnt be running spear

but its not apples to apples

the 10.2 build has shockwave

so % wise you lost 2%

which is expected of uproar+1% crit

[languid estuary]

I'm just going to switch to uproad and crit and see what it pops out

[gilded pawn]

yeah

also remember crushing force for 10.2

[modern helm]

umm maybe can't read but i don't see a sim in the list that actually equips the new 4p

[tidal path]

Mmmm..hands and chest are Hero, it's better to get hands and then use two charges for extra pieces, right?

[languid estuary]

fk me

he's right, it didn't put the catalyst item in the sim

[modern helm]

yeah i see a bunch of 3p but it doesnt seem to have a catalyst for 4th slot

[gilded pawn]

i saw it

[rotund steppe]

ez

[gilded pawn]

but i could be blind too

so anyways we solved the problem

[rotund steppe]

idk where to post it to troll people

[eager wraith]

start by fixing the font

[rotund steppe]

nah the shitty the better

[steel shard]

looks like

[summer quail]

Ret discord

[steel shard]

EU is bugged

[rotund steppe]

[languid estuary]

Based

[steel shard]

no bad luck protection drop

from fyrak HC

nice one blizzard

[rotund steppe]

rip

i got one from normal fyrrak

[gilded pawn]

ret discord is infinitely funnier than here

they pin the best posts

[rotund steppe]

and no lesser from hc bosses

[steel shard]

on eu?

[prime summit]

I got two greater and two lesser bad luck protections today

[steel shard]

im talking

[languid estuary]

Fixed

[steel shard]

about EU

not NA

[steel ingot]

I’ve been looking. Haven’t seen anyone loot the axe yet

[south kayak]

no you are typing

[rotund steppe]

tbh no

[gilded pawn]

bro please link the sim

its so impossible to see

[steel shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396849915726266368/1017550301227663380/1303F152-60F8-4CCC-83CA-8555D2DE54AB.gif

[languid estuary]

Oh

[abstract dirge]

i jsut killed fyrakk on HC with 5 other warriors. no1 got ember or axe

[languid estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWp8VkSQTFaVtzM3U4c4S7
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mbN3HoregwFq8FRunLXGfg

[south kayak]

Why you gotta attack me like that man

So accurate

[languid estuary]

But yeah, even without uproar still a 9k increase

[gilded pawn]

ok here you go we solved it

@sullen dove theres no way a 20 ilevel up can be a dps decrease

[south kayak]

are you still 40/40/10/10

[glad tangle]

Ret pally looted one

[gilded pawn]

even if the tier is kinda mid

[south kayak]

who is this for

[south kayak]

I looted it

in my dreams

[steel ingot]

[rotund steppe]

im prob gonna be the last in my guild to get it

if i get it at all

[trail scarab]

how impactful is 2pc? My warrior rn is 430 Ilvl with 1 piece of veteran tier and I can catalyze another piece to get 2pc should I do it?

[south kayak]

you're gonna be first

[rotund steppe]

cuz this blp seems shit

[oblique trail]

Don't catalyse veteran gear

actually

ye don't

[rotund steppe]

now that we talk bout catalyst

[oblique trail]

was about to say it'll turn into s2 gear but it wont

[south kayak]

how about i catalyze champion gear

[oblique trail]

don't

[rotund steppe]

we getting another charge next week with change right?

[trail scarab]

once I get champion gear should I catalyze for 2pc?

[oblique trail]

what change

[oblique trail]

Ideally you'd catalyse Hero track and above only

[south kayak]

That's for next patch

[fiery flame]

anyone with a weakaura that tracks fury 2pc?

[south kayak]

10.2.5

[oblique trail]

Depending on what content you do

[trail scarab]

Next week is spark

[rotund steppe]

ah rip

[trail scarab]

It’s ok this is just an alt

[south kayak]

@rotund steppe you get it weekly in 10.2.5

[oblique trail]

I mean

[serene vessel]

did yall see that you can still get a group loot legendary axe drop if u kill on mythic?

[oblique trail]

knock yourself out then and cata Champ track

[serene vessel]

I think that means technically you can get it in vault, right?

[trail scarab]

Is 2pc worth it?

[bold osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oswhnbW4YE1TpSdvTSVsg8
Socket it is IG ._.
Not gonna grab the Neck when im going to farm DHT/BRH this week

[oblique trail]

But veteran is too low to even bother with it

for Fury sure, in raid

[trail scarab]

M+?

[oblique trail]

But you're better off just using S2 4p until you have 4p for Fury

[south kayak]

don't play m+ with 2p

[rotund steppe]

yes

[south kayak]

[serene vessel]

xdd

[oblique trail]

In m+, play Arms if you care enough, or use the S2 4p

[south kayak]

abalone

[oblique trail]

S3 2p just kinda stinks a bit in keys

[rotund steppe]

why would i play arms if i pump as fury

[trail scarab]

:/ damn

[oblique trail]

It works but it's jank

[serene vessel]

who tryna rub my feet

they hurt

[oblique trail]

Because you don't have OF CDR

[south kayak]

me

[trail scarab]

So 2pc is ass but 4pc is good

[serene vessel]

get over here ty

[oblique trail]

In keys yes

[trail scarab]

K ty

[serene vessel]

im almost done packing 🙂

[oblique trail]

Just do dreamsurge/time rift real quick and get S2 4p and you're good to go until you can cata + 2k score into S3 4p

[south kayak]

Ok

[rotund steppe]

i cant wait to the point that the luck will be so high theres gonna be a surge of legendary axes

superblooms full of plates

[south kayak]

true, I still use old 4p on my rogue

doing well

[rotund steppe]

rares full of warrior pala and dk

wot

damn that seems real

[glad tangle]

It is

[eager wraith]

WOW HES LUCKTY

[glad tangle]

He looted earlier today

[rotund steppe]

i wanna say lucky mf

[south kayak]

not enough people freaking out in chat

fake

[frozen tartan]

Congrats. You are the 500th person to post this.

[sullen dove]

i mean itd only be on like 4 pieces

[rotund steppe]

but hes actually unlucky

[sullen dove]

so like 4-5 avg ilvl is whats rly the difference

but yea

makes enough sense

[rotund steppe]

the axe its like 2m gold rn

[serene vessel]

yolo

[oblique trail]

The EU wow token rose by 50k

in 1 day

love to see it

[serene vessel]

u can make so much gold selling keys rn

[south kayak]

swear it was lower

[eager wraith]

How do i sell keys

[rotund steppe]

lmao u think im good enough to sell keys

[south kayak]

did it go up now

[rotund steppe]

in NA seems its going up every day

[serene vessel]

join one of the "not boosting" discords

[south kayak]

I was in a boost discord but i just cba

[eager wraith]

how u pay for axe?

[south kayak]

not boost*

[south kayak]

you never get and it don't have to

[rotund steppe]

[sick thistle]

shouldnt we get a 2nd catalyst charge with reset?

[serene vessel]

yes

[oblique trail]

We did

[eager wraith]

I just did a full amirdrassil raid and won 0 items AMA

[rotund steppe]

same

[south kayak]

How is your life?

[sick thistle]

i dit not use one and only have one

[rotund steppe]

well i got my glovves tier from normal to hc

[oblique trail]

Were you logged in since before reset

[eager wraith]

i got a gf so im never lucky ingame

[oblique trail]

and have not logged out since

[south kayak]

damn

[sick thistle]

no

just came online today

[oblique trail]

Idk, I've had 2 charges

[serene vessel]

game doesnt like u i guess

[eager wraith]

Not a single guy afking in valdrakken with legendary axe, i bet its not dropping

[deft thicket]

With today's reset we can start trying to drop fyralath from fyrak? And do we have 1 opportunity or we can kill fyrak on all diffiulties and get it like this?

[south kayak]

even if it did drop, they still have to do the questline lol

which is fairly long

[rotund steppe]

and expensive

[south kayak]

yes

[eager wraith]

oh okay

ill reroll havoc dh so i dont have to pay 200 euro for my bis then

[south kayak]

do it

[rotund steppe]

gonna get giganerfed soon anyway

[south kayak]

what is?

havoc?

[rotund steppe]

the oversized bats

[south kayak]

true

[rotund steppe]

i hope they never get deleted from the game

the toxicity from fel hammer discord would spill

[eager wraith]

send them this

[rotund steppe]

lmao mine its worse

i got the 1st one the 1st time i farmed it

and the 2nd the 2nd week

[eager wraith]

damn!

[rotund steppe]

after that i hae killed it a couple more times for transmog

[lean heart]

would dancing blades or titanic rage be better for igira

i see people running both

[rotund steppe]

i go full ST

[oblique trail]

I just went Titanic to burst spears quicker

[rotund steppe]

other people can care bout spears

[south kayak]

titanic rage on igira is inting big time

[lean heart]

yeh seems so

[oblique trail]

On Norm/HC it doesn't matter, but on Mythic it's fine

[lean heart]

i was talking abt mythic yes

[oblique trail]

Considering if spears don't die fast enough people can be stuck in front of the cleave

[lean heart]

we have 2 arcane mages so i prob wont need titanic rage ?

[oblique trail]

I couldn't tell you, maybe not

We had no arcanes

[lean heart]

i was doing dancing blades and seems like they were dying fast enough

[oblique trail]

Titanic is mostly just a pad talent unless spears don't die fast enough

[rotund steppe]

oh yeah its even better

[oblique trail]

If they do, then go Dancing