fury

[weak tartan]

What items does blp work with tho

[young swan]

just the legendary

[urban nimbus]

Does the ax split damage for not btw?

[oblique trail]

It works for every item if you believe

eventually you'll receive the item you've farmed a dungeon 37 times for

[ember apex]

[alpine flax]

How do you Sims so high carlos ?

[warm crag]

he has fyralath

[ember apex]

first of all its carlo. singular.

[alpine flax]

Oh shit youre Right

[ember apex]

2nd of all idk if its high it was just high compared to that guy but he had a 1hander

[alpine flax]

Apologizes

[ember apex]

so its prob not even high

[alpine flax]

How is your Stats ?

[ember apex]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/carlo

[oblique trail]

I have stolen it

from everyone

[ember apex]

crit - 29
haste - 33
mastery - 45 🙏🏻 for big mastery rings in vault
vers - 15

[young swan]

it doesnt say it does and generally they're pretty specific with tooltips when it does split

[slim coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xZRYKWMiYpP2HB7SaxcGG

[glad storm]

Buffed mine is:
Crit: 21%
Haste: 24%
Mastery: 61%
Vers: 21%

[slim coral]

Still missing so much gear

[warm crag]

whats the lore on sharing stat weights

[slim coral]

The lore is it’s fun

[warm crag]

9% avoidance 5% leech

[ember apex]

that ssick

i need augury so bad

hopefully next heroic its augury + leggo quest item

[steel horizon]

question: do we only use the setbonus empowered bloodthirst if we have the empowered bloodbath up?

[proud basin]

ty to whoever told me to drop my smolderon orbs way at the back and pick up late. managed 186k dps in a scuff pug kill and ran away with a signet brand with leech

heroic ofc

[iron shell]

Why is that better than picking them up right away? Educate me pls

[proud basin]

reck/ava/spear don't line up with the intermissions

so apparently the play is to delay how long you take to pick up your orbs to try and get some value from it

[frank dawn]

If you pick up like 2 of them early the buff refreshes when you pick up the rest right?

[proud basin]

I don't think the timer extends

[frank dawn]

ah

[iron shell]

Thanks! That makes a ton of sense

[winter shoal]

.

^ that's a lil snippet the r1 hc smolderon guy wrote about how to get things to line up better

[ember apex]

do warriors REALLY stand at the bck of smolderon room to delay orbs to maybe get some CD value at the end of burn phase?

[winter shoal]

Here's the log for reference https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R7QcqFtYPBg4kpzJ#fight=45&type=damage-done

Note they did send ava before OF on pull to get it to line up better in intermission

[young swan]

it sets up ur line ups for the rest of the fight

[ember apex]

how far back

tell me in rings

like ring 1 2 3 ...

[winter shoal]

Bro read the thing I linked

[soft palm]

good build?

[ember apex]

im reading the thing u linked like i said earlier

[proud basin]

that's something I didn't do, and it makes a lot of sense

[ember apex]

is this forbidden tech or do u need it to parse rite

[proud basin]

wish the DoTs/buffs interacted more cleanly so we could always reck+ava before OF

[winter shoal]

I mean no reason not to ig

[ember apex]

there's no reason to do it if its not mythic prog

we killed heroic smolderon week 1

so

idk

about greeding orbs

[winter shoal]

There's no opportunity cost and it makes you do more dam

[ember apex]

i guess

[proud basin]

more dam = more happy for me

for I am but a simple fury war

[winter shoal]

That's your whole objective as a dps is to do more dam

and it's not like it's padding on unimportant targets, it's all boss dam

[ember apex]

padding on unimportant targets

its not padding if adds need to die which is all of them

[winter shoal]

Ehh if they die in time anyways then you're kind of griefing by padding, but I think it's rare that there's a fight that's actually difficult where the adds just fall over without intentionally focusing them

Like hc tindral you can do some giga pad on roots, but as long as they die before beams/seeds then it doesn't matter at all how much dam you did to them

But most of the time your dhs and hunters and rogues will have deleted them by the time you get any meaningful damage in anyways

[median marsh]

in gnarlroot mythic, i should pop thanderous roar only when all the adds are on boss right?

[winter shoal]

Depends how long you'd be holding it and how many adds you'd hit, as well as whether it'll be up for the damage amp phase or not

If you play uproar it'll probably time out nicely that you'll have adds and/or damage amp whenever roar comes off cd

[warm crag]

get knocked to the edge

oh i read an old message and though its new

rolled

[oblique trail]

@warm crag rogue is bad

we are rising

[warm crag]

leak dungeon name instantly

[oblique trail]

(I did nto hold CDs for throne last boss)

[warm crag]

mirror technology

[oblique trail]

mirror

that requires me

to have it

I don't

[warm crag]

i utilized mirror technology

it did like a third of my damage that bossfight (active trinket)

[winter shoal]

This feral is fully inting or?

[oblique trail]

well

It's an alt without tier

and this entire run

the rogue and druid got shafted

but we do not talk about this

[forest owl]

33 runs for rezan trinket, now to do it all over again for crab

[quaint stag]

Nearly 80 last season for vial just to get 447 in vault 3 weeks before end of season. I pray my trinket luck isn’t that bad this tier

[unreal onyx]

20AD I feel like I am still doing bad dmg

[quaint stag]

Don’t know how well crab actually is in reality. It’s uptime is 29% to 34% for me in dungeons at 476

[steel shard]

yea uh

you are

well

its just fury warrior i think

its complete trash

whats your dps on bosses

should be 150k-160k

[unreal onyx]

137k on priestess

my weaps are also only 476 and 450

[quiet herald]

Wait I thought fury was pumping I seen some one bursting like 1.5mil or some shit overalls at like 200k+?

[chrome plover]

it is

[past pivot]

Crab is more than solid in MT. Not the very best but a very good contender if you can’t get bis.

[chrome plover]

atal is just a low overall dungeon

compared to some others this season

[sick thistle]

hello folks, i will be getting my 4set on reset. how is the new set looking with annihilator build for m+?

[unreal onyx]

I was at 197k in tott 18

225k on brh +22

[olive wraith]

Dht and everbloom are pretty spicy

Brh, tot doesn’t count

[surreal blaze]

I'm only 464, but on some big kid pulls I'm getting 400-550k burst

[unreal onyx]

my gear is utter garbage ngl

[past pivot]

It takes a few runs to adjust to the rotation but it pumps once you do.
Be sure to sim stats and gems and enchants and consumables.

[quaint stag]

For sure it's a decent trinket but i don't know if i would specifically farm it. Would've thought the other trinket from trhone of tides was beter for burst with it lining up with avatar

[unreal onyx]

I macro'd avatar with the trink

[surreal blaze]

Dunno if I'm doing it right, still at 2 set, will hit 4 set on reset. Feels like rampage>BB back n forth with reckless then more slam/execute weaving after (and WW for multi)

[quiet herald]

Is fury worth if my offhand is 468? Vs arms using 480 by itself?

[unreal onyx]

sim

but OH doesn't matter nearly as much as MH afaik

[surreal blaze]

Still getting GCD locked occasionally with my BB/BT CD

[gilded pawn]

It happens

Also gcd lock means no empty gcds

[past pivot]

If you don’t get Might, 🦀 is a decent consolation.

[unreal onyx]

🦀

[spare otter]

We all winning in our vault next week dw lads

[past pivot]

2 set is janky. I didn’t like it. I went Arms for 2p+ 2p then swapped back for 4p.

[surreal blaze]

I just hate the feeling of sitting and waiting for an ability to come off CD when I've been trained for years to spam my Raging Blow

[unreal onyx]

only thing I want in my vault is a weap

and nothing else

[spare otter]

I want wep or augury

[unreal onyx]

surely gnarlroot weap on myth

I wasn't there for my guilds hc run this week

so I have 1 myth and 2 nm vaults

[past pivot]

Augury or mythic track Might

[robust widget]

Can gorehowl wep still drop if i have it equipped?

[olive wraith]

Give me wep or augury

[spare otter]

I wasn't there for my guilds mythic run cos I was transferring

[past pivot]

Yes

[spare otter]

And the wep dropped

[unreal onyx]

maybe 2 myth slots but idk about that tomorrow

[spare otter]

Looool

[unreal onyx]

surely we kill nymue with 1 day prog

[surreal blaze]

I have my AOTC token to buy Helm most likely cuz it should be highest ilvl on buy then Catalyze whatever is my next highest slot

[spare otter]

Idk what's changed in mythic but that fight is easy af

Surely it's as easy as before

[unreal onyx]

almost yea

[surreal blaze]

We cleared... 4? or 5 this week in mythic I forget cuz the bench is warm with this one

[quiet herald]

For sure aug it wep!

[spare otter]

What in the english

[unreal onyx]

guild killed 4 myth

i was there for 3

[quiet herald]

Aug or wep 🤦‍♂️

[spare otter]

Oh yea

It's like the only insane upgrades at this point

I wouldn't mind rings either tho

[quiet herald]

Our other warrior got aug last night made me sad af

[surreal blaze]

io says 4/9

[unreal onyx]

is augry good in m+?

or ST

[spare otter]

Pretty sure it's insane for aoe

Cataclysmic is for st right? Aug for aoe?

[unreal onyx]

idk, I only have hc signet so far

[spare otter]

Same

[unreal onyx]

and that's the only trinket I have, so I use it in m+

[spare otter]

I mean aren't both bis for m+ anyway

[tardy lark]

this is a surefire way to not be benched

im not proud of it though

[oblique trail]

rest in peace

aagaardw

also buy more healing pots

you goblin

[gusty compass]

Whats average m+ dmg overall?

for us

[oblique trail]

About this much

[gusty compass]

is it like 200+k?

[unreal onyx]

highly depending on the dung

[oblique trail]

🤏

[unreal onyx]

🦀

[spare otter]

LOL

[oblique trail]

I just did 360k in a Throne

So I will just use that as the benchmark going forward

For everyone else

[quiet herald]

Mannn I’ve been toying with DH,rouge or hunter lol

[unreal onyx]

did you wipe on the little elementals like 5 times?

[spare otter]

What key 👀

[oblique trail]

As I said Throne

[oblique trail]

no

[spare otter]

I meant lvl

[oblique trail]

oh

+20

[chrome plover]

what key 👀

[oblique trail]

good job

[tardy lark]

just have to open gbank

[oblique trail]

yeah well

the gbank isn't infinite

rat

[oblique trail]

give me one stack of crit flasks

[unreal onyx]

it appears to be, in fact, infinite

[oblique trail]

They'll fund a portion of my lego axe

[unreal onyx]

I also just found out you can stack them to 200

[spare otter]

Yooo wtf

[unreal onyx]

and not 50

[spare otter]

Personally

I'd take all of that

And /leaveguild

But that's just me

[oblique trail]

I think that'd be very smart

[unreal onyx]

leave guild over like 50k in pots

[oblique trail]

and not at all ruin any reputation you got

[spare otter]

• rep +50k

Worth

[chrome plover]

or boost one 20

and get 200k and lose no rep

[unreal onyx]

or sell leggo mats today

with price spike

[spare otter]

Boosting is so boring man

[shy knot]

any reason not to open with OF in m+ ?

[hardy shuttle]

You do if not running dancing blades.

If you are you need to get enraged first

[shy knot]

yeah ofc not running those in m+

pretty chill playstyle actually

good for nuking small mobs packs like the rets/DHs do

[oblique trail]

Dancing Blades is good in M+

[serene vessel]

WHEN BALANCE PATCH NOTES

[shy knot]

this week in high keys right ?

to pump bosses

[oblique trail]

If you consider +20 high sure

[shy knot]

yeah anything above like 18

[oblique trail]

In general it's just a good talent

[surreal blaze]

Yer Yella

[shy knot]

true but opening with OF is very nice

[oblique trail]

Only thing is that you gotta pre-enrage which can be ass if you don't have reck (or forget to play fresh meat)

[shy knot]

feels good

Legion like

[slim coral]

I love it

[oblique trail]

It also increases your priority damage a bit if there are any

[shy knot]

starting to feel fury being better in m+ now even with 2p2p still

[oblique trail]

Didn't play Fury with 2p in keys

[shy knot]

that ez shockwave

[oblique trail]

Was Arms until 4p, since 2p just looks incredibly jank without the OF CDR

[hidden lily]

Fury vs arms is interesting right now. Critcake is playing a lot of arms

[shy knot]

and massive boss dmg execute with no tradeoff

[hidden lily]

Seems like different use cases

[shy knot]

Critcake does high keys with ridiculous number of adds

so arms wins there with FoB

both are good ofc

[hidden lily]

He’s playing a single target arms build tho

With big

Jug

[shy knot]

oh the tyra build ?

[hidden lily]

Ya

[shy knot]

thats so dependable on TR

[hidden lily]

He’s testing a bunch of stuff obviously

[shy knot]

for aoe

[oblique trail]

You can play either spec really just fine

Although the higher the keys get, the more likely you are to play Fury

[hidden lily]

But I just think it’s cool that both specs seem pretty good

[oblique trail]

Since you are just naturally tankier

[shy knot]

I feel like the fury build is more tuned to it

you dont lose nothing for aoe stun and prio dmg

[hidden lily]

Ya I like fury for the tankyness

[shy knot]

and youre not squishy

[oblique trail]

Arms is by no means squishy, but Fury with a larger health pool just helps survive mechanics that bit better

And permanent 10% DR on Enrage

[shy knot]

and you spam BT like a madman for healing

also cleaved CSHB

[hidden lily]

Ya the self healing is clutch

Especially because we spam the crap out of bt now

[iron venture]

does anyone know what embellishments fury uses?

[sullen pulsar]

2 shadowflame patches, or 1 patch and allied wristguards typically

[iron venture]

thank you

[dawn pivot]

I got 3p fury and it feels sluggish, sometimes Im out of BT WW and slam and just wait for enough rage for rampage..

will it get better with 4p?

or do i need different stats?

got 42% haste tho

[unreal onyx]

4p CDR makes it feel a lot smoother in m+ imo

[runic pine]

Thought it was pretty much ramp one ability ramp etc. rn

In terms of rage gen

But idk I haven’t touched fury with new build

[unreal onyx]

during CDs yea

[light stump]

any new weakaura's i need for t31?

[unreal onyx]

no

[sudden tusk]

24 brh

lmao

[runic pine]

DH isn’t broken at all

[sudden tusk]

im still using T30 4set

its truely down horrendus

[light stump]

ty

[hidden lily]

Try using bt before you rampage when you’re not in rec to give you more rage economy. So use bt even when you have enough rage for rampage but won’t overcap on rage.

[light stump]

So for t31, prio is:

BB > (BT if low rage, even if enough) > Rampage > execute > BT > slam > ww

and on opener, I do OF wait 4 sec (how many GCDs is that?) and then Avatar?

[molten relic]

It’s until ur avatar from OF falls off basically

[hardy granite]

Anyone know if lego is droping in nm and hc yet ?

[unreal onyx]

next reset most likely

[dawn pivot]

and whats the opener

for raid

[unreal onyx]

ww isn't highest prio if you already have the buff

[bitter fable]

think s cos of refreshing WW statcks in case you re runing DB

not suree tho

[granite tiger]

BT have more prio than execute !?!

[bitter fable]

yes

way more dmg

[granite tiger]

damn

xD

[olive wraith]

Cdr for of

[bitter fable]

^

[sudden tusk]

remember we also have

50% dam increase no bt

with talent

tho i think we only run 1/2 most the time

[granite tiger]

what u mean about cdr ?!

[vale elk]

is it trolling to craft shadowflame on boots/cloak instead of wrist/cloak

i just have boots already crafted and would rather recraft

[sudden tusk]

you will lose primary stat in the long run

but its up to you

[vale elk]

is 3/3 myth higher ilvl than crafted?

[ember apex]

i dont think u can craft shadowflame on cloak b/c its not armor

am i wrong?

[vale elk]

yea you can

already did

[sudden tusk]

4/4 myth is 3 ilvls higher

[vale elk]

ok

[ember apex]

ok i made that up my B

[granite tiger]

yea yea ty for reminder i completely forgot about that point

[ember apex]

this is the best gearing system wow has ever had imo

[idle oriole]

You do not OF before rampage xd

[oblique trail]

You can if you have Titanic Rage

[olive wraith]

With 4p bt crits reduce of cooldown

[idle oriole]

Why would you play that?

[oblique trail]

You can do it just fine in keys

[granite tiger]

yea i got it

[olive wraith]

^

[oblique trail]

And the picture you responded to also says "Mythic +"

[olive wraith]

I still prefer DB in keys

But it is a fine alternate

[rapid stag]

Do i hold OF till reck is up?

[olive wraith]

No

Send that bad boy

[granite tiger]

no cause ur 4p will reduce that cd to use another OF

[rapid stag]

without tier

[granite tiger]

holding 1.5min will lose bunch of damage

[chrome plover]

@river reef you didnt tell me you started playing again??? @eternal sundial

[eternal sundial]

no way

[ember apex]

clicks on profile (playing world of warcraft)

[zenith ridge]

hey, I want to choose alt that can take a two-handed axe.
checked the logs of the retri and the fury and dps the same.
does fury feel good in m+?

[olive wraith]

Yes

Ret sucks

Booo

[idle oriole]

Yea and you still do not play it. Even in aoe it is basicly a sidegrade so over a dungeon it is bound to be worse

[winter shoal]

BT (without t30) is lower prio than execute in multitarget APL
I'm not sure how correct it is or how much of a difference it makes, since your chance of getting a BT crit with ww cleave is very high, but that's what the APL says

[river reef]

Wtf mate stop stalking

[ember apex]

it feels ass compared to what it was. but still probably 4,922% better than retribution paladin

[chrome plover]

??? you joined my key

you better pump

[oblique trail]

Ok but I never said if it's better or not lol

[chrome plover]

actually i joined your key

[oblique trail]

Just said that you can play it

And a lot of people opt to play it

[idle oriole]

Why would I assume they are playing a wrong talent lmao

[river reef]

gonna run it down

[olive wraith]

Idk still feels good

[ember apex]

compared to ret yes

but compared to 10.1 fury

[idle oriole]

APL is wrong

[ember apex]

its terrible now

[olive wraith]

Compared to last season I think it’s fine

[ember apex]

no way

[oblique trail]

I mean why would you not assume the picture uses Titanic Rage when it's put like that?

[ember apex]

u have dead globals now

[oblique trail]

And Titanic Rage is not wrong to use

[olive wraith]

No

[ember apex]

i enjoy high APM

yeah

what u mean no

[olive wraith]

You don’t have dead global lol

[ember apex]

link ur raider io page

[oblique trail]

It's completely fine to use in M+

[idle oriole]

It does less dps so it is wrong

[olive wraith]

You’re playing wrong

[chrome plover]

I am starting to prefer current fury :)

love to see it

[oblique trail]

This is a sound argument

[granite tiger]

if u dont have 4p
OF cd 45 sec and reck 1.5m, its mean u can use ur first OF with ur reck , for second OF ur reck still in cd and for the third OF reck will get ready so u can use it together and dont need to hold OF at all

[winter shoal]

Open a PR and fix it then 🙂

[oblique trail]

Roar also does less DPS on sims

But people use it

[olive wraith]

Mans is asking for my raider io

[ember apex]

link ur M+ build that has 0 dead globals for 10.2

[olive wraith]

Cause I say there’s no fear global

[idle pendant]

😎

[olive wraith]

The wowhead build lol

[ember apex]

sec

[light stump]

iirc someone said there was one extra button to click/keybind with t31, but I have an extra keybind left over. What could I be missing?

I've got ww, slam, execute, of, bt, rampage, avatar, reck, roar

[ember apex]

you def have dead globals

im literally running this build rn

for M+

[chrome plover]

1 less

[light stump]

ah perfect thanks

[winter shoal]

Your likelihood of having dead globals in m+ is much higher because you can't really choose to delay your ww, but it still might be a gameplay issue

Rampaging too early usually being the root cause

I'm a FoB enjoyer this season tho so I'm just

[ember apex]

whats fob

[winter shoal]

Fervor of Battle

[ember apex]

arms

[winter shoal]

Yes

[ember apex]

ok

yeah i havent played arms M+ this season

[pulsar prawn]

which part of the "coiling flames" is deflectable on volcoross mythic ?

smol or big?

[winter shoal]

FoB feels good, would recommend

[chrome plover]

first boss brh

[olive wraith]

Big bb and of feels good

[chrome plover]

it's gonna be a long one

[winter shoal]

Bro is your rogue asleep?

[chrome plover]

yes i guess so

[lunar cape]

That rogue is 425 ilvl right?

[chrome plover]

460

[olive wraith]

Man m+ feels ass compared to 10.1

[deft birch]

Hey ! What are the new beast stats for war fury with the new 4p ?

[olive wraith]

Simmed ones

[winter shoal]

Generally mast > vers but sim yourself

[deft birch]

do you have percent approximate ?

[winter shoal]

Nope

Raidbots will tell you what to use and what your biggest upgrades are

[zenith ridge]

ok, ty

[winter shoal]

The value of all your stats will change based on how much of them and how much of your other stats you have, so there's no real answer besides simming it yourself

[tight igloo]

But skyhold is raidbots???

[idle oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/guGkcRyU5a36s2KTTZW2tF,https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rhXJJGiAhne2bRZwgvFvZT Like this?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rhXJJGiAhne2bRZwgvFvZT https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rhXJJGiAhne2bRZwgvFvZT

[compact knot]

I'm not r1 anymore sadgers, some guy with 7 ilvl more took it

[idle oriole]

Dunno what a pr is

[compact knot]

Still r1 council though GG

[winter shoal]

Pull request on github

I might be cooked but the only custom APL changes are for single target?

[deft birch]

ok thx

[idle oriole]

Maybe later it is still heavily unoptimized and only implements the basic concept

[idle oriole]

I made it do st rotattion in aoe aswell

It is a very rough draft and not uptomized

But just proves the idea of BT having more value than the current APL accounts for

[winter shoal]

Still got the hundo tho

[full portal]

how do you catch up on sparks now? Do you have to do m+?

[winter shoal]

I mean it makes sense to me at least for sustained cleave, if you can optimize it further that'd be a great change to make

[idle oriole]

I will give it a look whenever when my schedule clears up

[winter shoal]

Unbuffed BT > ramp seems a little odd but it might just be like that

[idle oriole]

There needs to be more conditions for that I think

[covert void]

do you guys set your loot to arms for m+ just got a one hander from AD xD thinking yeh, maybe needed.

[idle oriole]

Rampage also used to have a lot more conditions (rage.pct, if enraged, etc) but ended up being a side grade when removed

[molten relic]

Yes always loot spec arms

[idle oriole]

The APL was made before the patch dropped so I have som additional thoughts I would like to test after playing it in-game

[hidden lily]

If you find yourself having dead globals you should try hitting bt before you rampage even when you have enough rage but won’t overcap. It will solve your dead global problem

Crit is doing this in his keys

[olive wraith]

^

Bt every other gcd gang

[ember apex]

ive mixed that in a bit

[hidden lily]

So rampage into bt into slam into bt into rampage. You will usually have enough rage to rampage after slam but you should use bt again because it will prime your next rampage and allow you to have no dead globals

Using rampage after slam in that situation actually wastes bt

[meager void]

this is not true, APL is maintained regularly by @modest condor and he definitively updated it after 10.2 (he told so himself a few days ago)

[idle oriole]

I am talking about the custom APL I made not his. Sorry for the confusion

Can someone with 4P try this APL and compare it with the default simc one? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rhXJJGiAhne2bRZwgvFvZT

I only have 2p so that might be why I am simming higher using my custom APL

[meager void]

what are you trying to do here exactly? thats 5 target patchwerk

[modest condor]

i've only worked on the st apl

[idle oriole]

It is the mt APL I am talking about

I have no changes to the ST APL

[meager void]

gotcha

[modest condor]

i know the aoe apl also needs work, i just havent done any yet because effort

[meager void]

I wouldn't know where to start tbh

[frank dawn]

just hit the buttons, we'll be fine

[viscid flare]

do what the heart tells you to do and you'll do big damage

[meager void]

ST APL has the benefit of a single target to prioritize casts on. Once you add multiple targets, that static variable becomes dynamic and generating an APL would be wierd

[idle oriole]

You could make an APL for all target counts and dynamically jump between them

BT has way lower value on 2 targets than 5 as the crit chance is lower

[meager void]

thats still static but in increments

the MT scenarios we have are very very variable. Mobs packs in dungeons, Adds phases in dungeon bosses or raid bosses

[idle oriole]

Yea I guess that is true

[meager void]

even the council fight we currently have is a wierd jump around council

[idle oriole]

Can anyone be a homie and link me a 5 target quick sim with aoe talents?

From their char with 4P

[heavy terrace]

Whats max mastery when it loses value

[wanton mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7VxrtSUdjmyWuxZ5Yysvhv

this one is custom

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dBXKQLyJ2a28bqsFWXyio8

this one is current apl @idle oriole

[meager void]

imho, the best way to get better at MT is to become capable of generating a dynamic APL in your head.

[idle oriole]

Thanks

[meager void]

like last night we did a normal with @humble plover and our numbers for tindral are very telling on who's better on this

[wanton mirage]

what is the major difference between these two

[meager void]

we both did about the same damage on boss but he destroyed me on adds/roots

[idle oriole]

You BT and BB way more causing you to get more OF's

[heavy terrace]

If got mastery on 60% and harte 37 is that to much ? Casual player btw trying to learn hèhè.

[idle oriole]

Nvm that is wrong you

[keen moon]

On full st do we Macro Avatar and spear together?

[idle oriole]

You priotize BT over Excecute and even rampage unless reck is up

[idle oriole]

So WW (no buff) > BB > BT > Rampage > Excecute sort of

But it is super unptimized so would not look into it too much

[humble plover]

Surprised I managed 10 mil with how the instantly disappeared

[idle oriole]

Just hold on to the idea that natty BT is worth a lot more in aoe than ST

[hidden lily]

In tindral just save all your goes for vines.

[meager void]

that was you, you made them instantly disappear lol

[hidden lily]

And you do big damage

Just take aoe talents and send of and avatar into vines

[idle oriole]

If you add the total amount of BB and BT casts in each of your sims the custom APL have more casts causing it to gain another cast of OF

It also has better global economy so you slam less

[wanton mirage]

There was real dilemma for tindral whether to pop cd with green orb buffs to break shield or save it for roots soon after shield is broken

[olive wraith]

As you get gear sim yourself on Raidbots. We don’t have any stat caps or threshold

[hidden lily]

Ya if you want big parse save for vines

Kill times and phase times do affect when you use of but I recommend saving avatar for vines

[heavy terrace]

Ty kalaiath.

[opal monolith]

fyrakk mount customisation is guaranteed now on hc?

[ember apex]

the mount from heroic is a full transformation

[opal monolith]

ye ok but is it guaranteed, cause the one from rasz and sark wasnt

[ember apex]

yeah

u get it in the mail the second you get AOTC

if u kill fyrakk and see a bunch of achievements pop-off just drop down a mailbox

[opal monolith]

i didnt get it in mail

got it in bag

and got it from the quest giver there

[ember apex]

mine was mailed

[graceful bay]

Reee stop deleting my enhancement funnel

[ember apex]

oh i had a crazy thing during fyrakk yesterday

hold on

i took screenies

the entire screen was permanently black

the entire fight

but i could see adds

also

i was immune to all damage

[lusty agate]

Quick question lads, does 2pc empowered BT/BB stack?

[oblique trail]

Yes

Up to 6

[lusty agate]

Banging so I can avatar and OF

Nice one, cheers

[oblique trail]

You can but you shouldn't ideally

[lusty agate]

Nah Im doing it on igira mythic

Just to smash the spears

[oblique trail]

I mean for pad/instantly killing stuff you can do it

[meager void]

spears far

[oblique trail]

Otherwise it's advised not to

[lusty agate]

Not 1 after the other but like 1 then a bit later after

Yeee

OF 3x bb avatar 3x bb

[ember apex]

you should have 1 tier token from normal/heroic raid from week 1 or week 2.
1 tier piece from AOTC/2k IO
1 tier catalyzed week 1
1 tier catalyzed tomorrow OR one from vault

[olive wraith]

Wait 4 seconds then you’re Gucci

[oblique trail]

No need to space it this much, just use Avatar as your OF Avatar falls off

[ember apex]

so at the most u should get 4p at the latest tomorrow

but u should already have

[olive wraith]

I got shafted with drops

No tier from raid

But I’ll get 4p on reset

[finite salmon]

2k io rewards a tier piece?

[oblique trail]

Yes

Or killing HC Fyrakk

[hidden lily]

If this happens when you enter the boss platform just jump off edge and it fixes it

[olive wraith]

[ember apex]

yeah 2k io is super easy even if ur in a terrible guild. i dont push IO ever and im 2.6k right now

[ember apex]

ty i didnt know this

[hidden lily]

Ya it’s a weird bug

[ember apex]

it was normal mode so my guild was just 🙏🏻 that i could get loot

they didnt want to wait for me to fix

[hidden lily]

U can use your minimap to navigate off the side haha

[ember apex]

so i basically just stared at minimap

following everyone around

yeah lol

[hidden lily]

Hahah it happened to a few people in my guild

[ember apex]

when the adds appeared i DPSed the fuck out of them

but thats all i could do

[hidden lily]

Hahahahahha

[lusty agate]

Nice one buddy, appreciate it!

[hidden lily]

I really like how this version of fury feels in ST and AOE.

[finite salmon]

Is there a reason the bis gear from wowhead suggests using 5p? nvm boots was not set piece

[hidden lily]

Tbh I like it better then last tier

[ember apex]

i like having consistent dps so i dont like the spikes

personally

[forest rose]

now i wonder who the legendary ends up being bis for out of all the melee

[meager void]

No sure how that BiS list is actually done but I imagine that they do a sorta huge droptimizer with all available plate gear in 10.2 and siming for the best.

[olive wraith]

Im just glad we aren’t stuck with the same build for 2 years

[misty helm]

one day the neck will drop and that day will be a happy day

[meager void]

so while it gives some sort of guidance, its not set in stone whatsoever as it depends on what gear drops RNG you have/had

[olive wraith]

Ayy I have 447 uld neck too

[misty helm]

447 ur rich 437 Dreambound XD

[teal badge]

Been away a bit and don't remember how crafting works. Not seeing much about what stats folks are putting on shadowflame crafted cloak. Is it easy to swap stats after initial craft if multispeccing?

[misty helm]

depends on Ilvl

Vers - Mastery is what everybody is going for tho

[meager void]

its ez to swap stats too

[teal badge]

It doesn't cost another SF patch to recraft ye? Just the cloth and bolts and missives I guess?

[oblique trail]

correct

It's just small mats

[teal badge]

Thanks!

[misty helm]

and mettle lol some crafters be charging alot for that shi

[serene vessel]

Should Blizzard have Echo and Team Liquid redo Fyrakk in case it was a big fluke?

No disrespect to Echo, but I'm a firm believer echo killing Fyrakk first is a huge fluke and robs team liquid of truly accomplishing what they're capable of. I've spent the last day in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire regular season watching ImFiredUp James play great World of Warcraft and it's just not fair.

If Liquid loses again I will face that Echo deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to ImFiredUp James and the world of warcraft.

[dull turtle]

do we get use Recklessness + avatar at the same time ?

worth making macro for them ?

[olive wraith]

No

[left perch]

Should Blizzard have Echo and Team Liquid redo Fyrakk in case it was a big fluke?

No disrespect to Echo, but I'm a firm believer echo killing Fyrakk first is a huge fluke and robs team liquid of truly accomplishing what they're capable of. I've spent the last day in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire regular season watching ImFiredUp James play great World of Warcraft and it's just not fair.

If Liquid loses again I will face that Echo deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to ImFiredUp James and the world of warcraft.

[compact gulch]

Talents for 2p+2p?

[south kayak]

Should Blizzard have Echo and Team Liquid redo Fyrakk in case it was a big fluke?

No disrespect to Echo, but I'm a firm believer echo killing Fyrakk first is a huge fluke and robs team liquid of truly accomplishing what they're capable of. I've spent the last day in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire regular season watching ImFiredUp James play great World of Warcraft and it's just not fair.

If Liquid loses again I will face that Echo deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to ImFiredUp James and the world of warcraft.

Who wrote this

[olive wraith]

Wow head SoS build

[eager wraith]

First m+ on my havoc wi th 430 ilvl

[dawn pivot]

do we get catalyst this week?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[urban tapir]

ayee

[dawn pivot]

how to get these

[oblique trail]

do raid and dungeon

loot it

[proud bough]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[eager wraith]

get lucky

[dawn pivot]

raid or just m+?

[urban tapir]

for the raid 1 just do big dam and raid leader will want u with it ez

[ember apex]

i forced my guild to give me cataclysmic signet brand

[south kayak]

The eye from atal dazar and the trinket from smolderon

[ember apex]

eye of rezan

[compact gulch]

so when switching from t30 to 31, how do you handle your muscle memory? lol

[urban tapir]

the atal one i just applied to +20 atals while trying to push up other keys, and if i got the invite i'd run it

[ember apex]

i want leggo, and mythic 4/4 signet brand

[south kayak]

You get good

Er

You just erase it

And start over

[oblique trail]

Practice for a bit on dummies until you get a decent hang of it

Then do dungeons/raid

[south kayak]

And I want a billion dollars

[misty helm]

I just want the BRH neck

[south kayak]

The high vers neck?

[forest owl]

what would you guys say is better for short absolutely nuked bosses in normal with a boost grp, 463 mirror or 470 rezans? mirror right?

[wanton mirage]

even in 2T, custom is better.

Thanks for the APL i guess. I would love to get it again if you look further and perfect it in future

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9cavyjSkb2aSqDy9P2HJG

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jJJZTc2GK9N6PBiRzshr11

[oblique trail]

Mirror

[south kayak]

You can sim for that but mirror

[oblique trail]

But it's otherwise something you can just sim

and change the fight timer

[urban tapir]

:p

need more crest...

[south kayak]

I have it on my rogue

[forest owl]

i keep forgetting about changing sim timers thanks peeps

[south kayak]

[ember apex]

did shadowlands fated raid have tier set?

[south kayak]

Yes

[ember apex]

from sepulcher

[oblique trail]

yes

It was the only tier set in Shadowlands

[ember apex]

which tier is gonna be BiS

from DF

for fated

[south kayak]

This one

[forest owl]

odyns fury ftw in fated if they bring those little mote spams back with it xD

[ember apex]

betrayer of humanity axe

[south kayak]

Unless they disable the old tiers since it’s too much to acquire 3 tier sets

[ember apex]

https://tenor.com/view/yeti-angry-pissed-gif-12662051

omfg those motes

[forest owl]

merciless bonegrinder spam on motes, those were the days xD

[ember apex]

fated made every single boss better

fated sylvanas

was poggers

[south kayak]

Also you can forget fury’s Incarnate set

It’s so bad

[ember apex]

perma crit execute?

yeah

it needs like a 40% crit damage buff thrown on top to be viable

i didnt like the juiced BT from 10.1 tbh

[south kayak]

[spare otter]

i suck man

[south kayak]

True

[olive wraith]

I can say s1 tier def won’t be besting the other 2

If AJ also gave stacking damage then maybe

[wraith wharf]

you just gotta go ham...y

[fast crest]

hmmm

a 20 ilvl upgrade on offhand (gorehowl -> whitefin axe) is simming lower for me

[compact gulch]

soooooo i can delete the macros from s2 or what?

[olive wraith]

Which macros were you using

[waxen wave]

Did you forget enchant

[compact gulch]

#showtooltip Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness

[fast crest]

negative, had to double check

[olive wraith]

Ya delete

[cosmic flax]

bro didnt want to show there was an augvoker

[compact gulch]

do we need any new macros?

and how do we use avatar+reck?

[olive wraith]

Nah don’t really need macros

Rek before charging

Avatar 4 seconds after casting of

[compact gulch]

so opening rek>of>avatar?

[merry star]

How do I sim my stat weights as fury? Which fight style?

[olive wraith]

Don’t use stat weights

[edgy widget]

whichever you want weights for, though it should be reminded that stat weights aren't a great representation of what gear to use

[merry star]

for M+ which one should I use? Hectic Cleave of Dungeon Slice

[merry star]

next tiem keep quiet

[olive wraith]

In terms of cd usage yes. Refer to the wowhead guide for the full opener

[compact knot]

that weapon hates me so much, killed kt every week and never saw it once in my guild :((((((((

refused to drop

[olive wraith]

Just giving you advice friend. Stat weights can be very inaccurate

It’s better to top gear/droptimizer

[merry star]

I know that, I'm just asking which fight style to use. Not if I should or shouldn't use it.

[edgy widget]

Generally DS, but they're both built for different things

[compact gulch]

thanks mates

[merry star]

Thx, just want to see a general sight on stats

[ember apex]

awh man that sucks

its one of those weapons i dont think twice about b/c i just have it

[compact knot]

on wrath classic btw

[ember apex]

oh

i didnt play that game

[compact knot]

still insane though

[ember apex]

i heard its easier than retail

[compact knot]

classic is easy

i really only raid logged on my warrior

[ember apex]

smart

[brittle crow]

mans really came in here, asked for advice, and turned down the only good answer

ZZZZZ why even ask

[wanton mirage]

have you looked into that aoe APL from heatedgamer? any thought?

[merry star]

bruh if someone asks a question, you answer based on what they asked, not what you think is best, if you want to add an observation together, do it, but just answering 'dont use' is useless

[brittle crow]

it's not useless because it's true

dont use stat weights

worthless info

waste of good processing power to calculate it

[edgy widget]

I mean that's reductive

Stat weights can be useful information, if they're used intelligently

the problem is most people don't, and yeah - it's hard to know whether someone is or not

so the general advice of "don't use stat weights" is not wrong, but it's also kind of wrong to blindly refuse to answer a simple question

[pulsar prawn]

dht neck works also. depending on your other items

[edgy widget]

e.g. this was an appropriate answer to the question while still noting the deficiencies

[merry star]

thank you

[brittle crow]

ur right sorry for being aggressive

i pressed reck charge on that question

[edgy widget]

just sayin, neither of you are wrong, just might not necessarily have the full picture

[misty helm]

ive ran both so much

[edgy widget]

and yeah, it's hard to know whether the person is mistakenly leaning on stat weights too much, or actually just looking for supplementary info

[misty helm]

no neck

[brittle crow]

idk when stat weights would be actually useful tho, i feel like id much rather simply target bis gear and sim any piece i get

[pulsar prawn]

yeah but at least very decent pug keys ^^ got neck traded 1min before raid today now i need offhand still

[merry star]

when you don't have any gear and want to target dungeons with useful things to you

yes droptimizer and top gear are useful

[brittle crow]

then just look at ur bis list

[merry star]

but they're just as useful as your premium plan on raidbots

[compact knot]

stat weights with no gear is bad

[left perch]

Until you play aug then suddenly it’s all you have

[compact knot]

looing at a bis list is also bad

bis lists are redundant in this current age of wow

[brittle crow]

if u have no gear literally just go do some gaming

every dungeon has gear for u except rise

[left perch]

except for aug players 🙂

[brittle crow]

and rise has gear too

[merry star]

correction, i have gear but it's arms gear.

[chrome plover]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/479272-class-tuning-incoming-29-november/

[merry star]

i wanted to sim stat weights to see which pieces i could use and which ones i should take off

[chrome plover]

here's ur balance changes

[compact knot]

doesnt look finished yet

hm

[young swan]

thats like, exactly what you shouldnt use stat weights for

[compact knot]

^

[serene vessel]

guys theres nothing here?

[compact knot]

stat weights are best used for gems/enchants/consums imo

if you change a big piece of gear it instantly makes the last stat weight you ran redundant

[edgy widget]

see, that's not a good use of stat weights; you should use top gear or gear compare for that

[spare otter]

where are the nerfs

noooo

[chrome plover]

no fury nerfs??

[pulsar prawn]

my guess it only first part... there will be more in next 20 ish hrs

[edgy widget]

the problem is that stat weights change every time you swap a piece of gear - sometimes by small amounts, sometimes by large ones, it's hard to say

[compact knot]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[merry star]

it gave me the same results as top gear did, so...

[edgy widget]

it may, in the short term

but it won't always

and you have no way of knowing when it will change or by how much

[compact knot]

if your changing multiple it wont

changing multiple pieces will not work well with stat weights

like you implied

[ornate gust]

Is this a joke? No warrior buff?

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/479272-class-tuning-incoming-29-november/

[compact knot]

warrior doesnt need a buff

lol

[young swan]

warrior doesnt really need a buff

[edgy widget]

you know the saying a broken watch is right twice a day? I'm not saying stat weights are broken, but they're a demonstrably less effective tool than simply running top gear/gear compare in the first place

[young swan]

rug, hunter, dh just need nerfs

[compact knot]

we are best we have been all pansion in raid

in raid*

[edgy widget]

yeah hate rug hunters

[olive wraith]

[young swan]

they are literally the worst

[ornate gust]

They are buffing DK and warlocks.. GG

[olive wraith]

Carpets are better

Dk needs buffs I thought

[chrome plover]

yeah frost which no one plays and affli/destro that fucking suck

[compact knot]

buffing 3 of the worst performing specs

game is fuckking ruined

[chrome plover]

🤯

[compact knot]

pack it up

[ornate gust]

buff is a buff

[compact knot]

all warlocks forced to play demo

[young swan]

dk is literal piss dogshit right now

[olive wraith]

Buff OF by 51% right?

[young swan]

so i should hope so

[final birch]

They are buffing shit lock specs

[edgy widget]

how about nerf the shit OP specs!?

[compact knot]

all of the specs getting a buffed need it right now

[edgy widget]

I don't mind these changes, I just want the rest of the changes!

[final birch]

Dunno what people are complaining so much about

[compact knot]

should be nerfing the piss broken ones though

[final birch]

like ye legit just nerf a couple of specs and balance is there

[compact knot]

kid named assassination rogue;

[snow edge]

Surely those rogue DH BM nerfs coming soon

[serene vessel]

i eman does it make a huge difference if they nerf the broken ones or buff everyone else around that level?

[young swan]

yeah idk maybe the dh, rogue, bm hunter nerfs got lost in the mail or something

[edgy widget]

because they forgot those parts

[ornate gust]

Nerf hunters, DHs and Rouges.. Buff warriors

[young swan]

warrior

does not need

buffs

[serene vessel]

arms needs buffs

[compact knot]

buff warriors so both specs can be top when people get lego

then we get nerfed instantly

[final birch]

it's early, as bad as it is if it doesn't last long while people are still gearing then it's not the end of the world

[serene vessel]

just b/c i dont wanna play fury

[young swan]

arms needs a rework

[compact knot]

based

[ornate gust]

No one will do rewark in this patch.. just buff us

[glad tangle]

They aren’t nerfing those classes because once 2H melee start getting leggos they will be top dps

[compact knot]

based thought process

[frozen tartan]

Warlocks not at the top of the food chain for 2 weeks now. Blizzard had to adjust something!

[edgy widget]

the complaint is pretty simple:

• While it's nice to buff underperforming specs, those classes do have decently performing alternatives
• The grossly overpowered specs are still overpowered, and they remain overpowered irregardless of these buffs

in short, these buffs help a small subset of players, whereas nerfing the ridiculous outliers would help a lot more people. They're not bad changes, they're just not the overly important changes people are looking for

[young swan]

the lego is like 5% dps, we're not gonna be topping meters

best lego this xpac is still a purple hunter bow from a lightning bird

[compact knot]

shit man, id be pissed too if im getting beaten by hamsters on the meters because my spec scks

[snow edge]

Xan you know there’s no shot

[frozen tartan]

I just remember Castle Nathria, where Warriors were just pure shit and Blizzard did fuck all.

[serene vessel]

that bow was super OP tho

[edgy widget]

certainly not till next xpac

[young swan]

i said it needed it, not that they would be getting it

[compact knot]

warlocks love complaining

[winter shoal]

@digital oxide type the thing

[covert void]

wait why are DHs not getting nerfed already they're broken lol

[spare otter]

I wonder if frost dk is any decent now

[serene vessel]

have they confirmed they're not doing a class rework in the .1.5 patch?

they've done a rework every .1.5 patch so far

or 2.5 or whatever

[pulsar prawn]

its just the first wave of bluepost.. there will be more in next 15hr++ (my guess)

[young swan]

the 10.2.5 patch roadmap didnt have any reworks in it

[serene vessel]

did the previous roadmap say it had reworks?

[young swan]

yes

[serene vessel]

rip

[young swan]

everything is just gonna be pushed to 11.0

guaranteed

they're already looking at classes for hero talents

[wispy thistle]

Anyone have shitty loot luck like me? 30+ dungeons and still 456

[young swan]

no reason to push a rework without those in mind already

[olive wraith]

Ya I’m 458

I feel your pain friend

[edgy widget]

Arms ain't gettin one

[serene vessel]

time to boot up the old dh or hunter than xd

[wispy thistle]

@olive wraith 4 20s and 3 18s with no drops. feels real bad

[dense elbow]

🫂

[olive wraith]

Don’t worry we’ll get leggo in vault

[wispy thistle]

that and the fact that we get out dpsed by a 440 DH with 2 piece is legit the dumbest thing

[winter shoal]

1 more for vault then spam 17s

[olive wraith]

Been trying to pug heroic

No luck with the groups I’ve had

[sour wing]

new expac they going to make SMF work i tell ya

[young swan]

it works now

its just not the best

[sour wing]

thats what i said work=best

[young swan]

its not going to happen

[sour wing]

already hook up

[olive wraith]

A TG prot would be dope

That’s what I really want

[sour wing]

spear and shield?

[olive wraith]

2h and shield

But yes

[sour wing]

full spartan

[urban nimbus]

Currently deciding what racial I should pick at the moment for warrior, deciding between doing a Tauren Warrior and Dwarf warrior at the moment for either a stun or defensive cooldown.

[modest epoch]

gladiator spec was fun.

those are the times

[austere quarry]

Dwarf. Warstomp gonna cause Shockwave and other stuns to DR if just for that reason

[olive wraith]

It’s still an aoe stop

Just use it after the full stops

[modest epoch]

pick undead, keep em guessing. make them think you're bad

[urban nimbus]

Fair enough.

[modest epoch]

and prove them true

[urban nimbus]

Made a human warrior before and caught myself before it reached 60.

[olive wraith]

Human is fine

Ir sims the best rn

[modest epoch]

i made an undead warrior in november of 2004 and it's still my goddamned main because i have issues.

[urban nimbus]

Its around 30 level wise so its not that much level wise.

[olive wraith]

Plus you can racial out of the tree boss in Wm

[urban nimbus]

How good is Draenai Warrior btw? It seems to have a heal for it and plus stats primary wise for it.

[olive wraith]

You can sim the racials I think

Race is pretty much just flavor though

[austere quarry]

I play draenai and have timed all 21s this week. Basically a paladin w the gift of the naaru xd

[urban nimbus]

Then there is the mechagnome passive.

How good is that?

[compact knot]

there is a 4k dps diff between human and lightforged draenei though according to bloodmallet in full bis, dont know if thats accurate or not

[urban nimbus]

I am more focusing on the defensive racials tbh.

Like the Mechagon one where it heals you if you get too low hp wise.

[compact knot]

human racials seems to scale better the longer a pansion goes on thogh

[austere quarry]

Dwarf or DI dwarf are best for defensives since it helps cover warrior weakness to dots. HMT prolly 3rd best

[compact knot]

play dwarf then maybe

dwarf second best (According to bloodmallet kek) and has a good defensive

[olive wraith]

Tauren stop is good

[restive peak]

Human vers for leggo stonks rise

[compact knot]

human bis for dps, tauren bis utility, dwarf bis survivability

all 3 very good dps wise too

[urban nimbus]

Fair enough.

[chrome plover]

goblin bis

[snow edge]

Gnome is decent too from memory, with the increased rage pool; not sure where it stands now though

I'd imagine it's not terrible since it could allow squeezing in more BTs without overcapping as often

[warm lark]

What do y'all use for sim settings? Specifically for Mythic+? I was told the dung slice isn't a great indicator

[compact knot]

says 5th

[compact knot]

just use dslice

it really is the closest thing to m+

[pearl cradle]

are you guys haveing issues loggin in to wow?

[olive wraith]

I can’t log in

Cause I’m at work

[snow edge]

So minor though; even Bloodmallet (not the greatest) show's 1k~ dps difference between number 5 and 1

[north edge]

cant get into wow

[pearl cradle]

ok so its server issue i guess?

[daring zephyr]

Just did my first dungeon with new 4 set and I went down about 20k dps overall 😭 I definitely should’ve practiced the rotation a bit beforehand. I was overriding bloodbath procs like crazy

[pearl cradle]

oh wait im in the character select screen pausechamp lets see

[snow edge]

It's a very different playstyle; we'd purposely avoid using BT for the most part previously, now the intent is to use it as much as possible

Give it a bit of time

Also we've migrated to being better suited to bigger / less frequent pulls

[sudden tusk]

rug

[daring zephyr]

Ya, it is fun seeing big numbers when I get the buttons right on a larger pull.

[urban nimbus]

The Tauren stun can be bad for M+ I heard right?

[olive wraith]

Breaking the always press ramp habit takes time

[urban nimbus]

In the sense it interfers with something stun wise.

[olive wraith]

Technically applies diminishing returns

But if you use it after other stuns it’s fine

It’s still a stop

[daring zephyr]

I am loving having shockwave in M+ now too. Feels great being able to help with stops

[urban nimbus]

There is dimishing returns in M+?

[olive wraith]

For stuns? Yes

[urban nimbus]

Never seen that before.

[left perch]

it’s real

[empty grove]

still baffles me how tanky fury is

my god

[olive wraith]

Shockwave is a 4? Second stun. So if you Tauren racial( or any other stun) before using shockwave it’ll be reduced duration

Just use it after your group sends out cc

[urban nimbus]

Ok

[olive wraith]

And after your own shockwave if you run it

[urban nimbus]

Going to make a dwarf warrior anyway.

And level that since its simpler that way.

[spare otter]

Idk why I picked undead warrior

This shit sucks

[urban nimbus]

Second dwarf I am making lol

Right after making a dwarf hunter

[trail bane]

Lol, no balance changes to DH and Rogue

[urban nimbus]

Though to be fair, a hunter ain't going to be going melee for a stun.

Also yeah, DH is op.

Also heard spell reflect can be used to deal good damage to bosses in M+? This true?

[next canopy]

What are people thinking about leggo in m+? Is it going to be bonkers?

[past pivot]

No, people won't equip it

[next canopy]

Is it that rare?

[young swan]

if the damage from the on-use isnt split (doesnt say it is split so the assumption is that its not) its going to be very good, yes

[olive wraith]

There’s a fair amount of boss spells you can reflect

[urban nimbus]

Yeah imagine using it in a M+ trash pull if it does not split.

[olive wraith]

Not to mention trash spells as well

[next canopy]

That’s what I’m thinking. I’m on the sidelines this season but it sounds like crazy aoe

[past pivot]

No demonbane. Might as well not make it

[young swan]

both

[next canopy]

It’s making me want to make a comeback lol

[austere quarry]

You can prolly taunt and reflect 4th boss in wcm

[urban nimbus]

Any place I can find the bosses I can spell reflect and whatnot?

[young swan]

I think theres a gdoc in #protection

[past pivot]

In all seriousness. I don't expect us to be meta but in the top 1/3 for sure. And fun to play. Among the reasons I came back rather than sleepwalking thru another season as augvoker, even with a leggo on that toon.

[austere quarry]

Check the pins in protection

[urban nimbus]

Mostly thinking as spells dps fury can reflect.

Since I don't want to do some taunt shenanigan stuff.

[young swan]

well it will tell you every spell you can reflect

for bosses

anyways

[urban nimbus]

Ok got it.

[past pivot]

Reflect is for all 3 specs. Doesn't require a shield.

[olive wraith]

It’s also good for spell damage reduction

Not just reflecting spells

Spam that shit

[marble schooner]

is there a bluepost yet on Fyralath? I remember devs saying they didnt like how late into the patch most evokers got their legendaries

[past pivot]

not yet