ya me either im east coast US thats 3 am for me lol
#fury
inland flame
serene vessel
there's no way most guilds get CE without them giga nerfing this boss
modest condor
they'll have to giganerf tindral before any regular CE guild gets anywhere close to this lol
tindral looks significantly harder for your average world rank 500-1k guild
serene vessel
i like how everyone was complaining this raid is too easy, yet now it looks like one of the hardest raids theyve made in a while
modest condor
well it's just the last 2 bosses (and a bit of smolderon)
the first 6 were still the fastest to go down of any raid ever i think
inland flame
still only the 3 Tindral kills
serene vessel
i don't even feel like thats a huge problem tbh, bosses should scale up difficulty wise
modest condor
it's also kind of misleading to go off of rwf
take abberus
was considered super easy if going by rwf
inland flame
Only 26 Smolderon kills too
modest condor
but for us it was just a normal mythic raid with average pullcounts compared to other tiers
hell, we had more pulls than average on sarkareth compared to other endbosses
clever path
is fury better than arms?
inland flame
depends on gear and situation
clever path
fury's tier looks better than the one from arms
serene vessel
again the question is what content r u talking about
inland flame
they're both good, and the specs have different strengths
modest condor
fury's tier isn't poop for m+
it's mid for aoe
but the prio target dps is through the roof
serene vessel
i mean 4 sure im exaggerating, but arms tier is much better for m+
valid drum
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank mr. @edgy widget who told told me to read his guide, and after reading been doing great dps on the 20-22 key range. Thank you
final birch
i mean 4 sure im exaggerating, but arms tier is much better for m+
Nah I don't see arms being much better than fury in m+
inland flame
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank mr. <@61282228017041408> who told tol...
good for you my dude, we're all proud of you
final birch
In terms of fun maybe idk but not in terms of what you're offering
static isle
Now that tier is live, do we see fury chilling in the b category or going up/down?
For m+
modest condor
i've seen people who prefer the new playstyle over the old one 
clever path
good for you my dude, we're all proud of you
That sounds very sarcastic
modest condor
i think fury is slightly worse than it was last season, probably low A at best maybe high B
inland flame
That sounds very sarcastic
haha i can see that but i was being genuine
serene vessel
Nah I don't see arms being much better than fury in m+
feel like arms definitely is better for m+ tbh
inland flame
always good to see people making our class look good
young swan
i think fury is slightly worse than it was last season, probably low A at best m...
yeah just wait till we get fyralath
hater!
static isle
Is the 2h gonna be avail to those who don't raid
inland flame
no
young swan
doubt
inland flame
prolly not, drops off of Fyrakk
serene vessel
impossible to know, but very unlikely
static isle
Lmfao. So the best in slot weapon for fury is only available if you raid. That seems shitty
serene vessel
how
final birch
feel like arms definitely is better for m+ tbh
It's fun but currently arms doesn't really have anything too big to offer
errant pond
Just raid?
final birch
It's okay
modest condor
it has been like that for just about every tier in the history of ever
young swan
yeah fuck the game working how its always worked!!
serene vessel
the bis gear is not available for a lot of slots if u dont raid
final birch
It's pretty solid
static isle
I don't have time to raid unfortunately
young swan
unlucky
clever path
Lmfao. So the best in slot weapon for fury is only available if you raid. That s...
not just for fury but for dk and paladins too
final birch
But then again it's hard to judge with specs like havoc as to what the standard really is
summer quail
i've seen people who prefer the new playstyle over the old one <:critcake:984549...
Ye i've also seen people dislike t30 fury. T30 owned
serene vessel
always been the case ya lol
modest condor
when was the last time a bis weapon did not drop from raid, geti in bfa?
errant pond
It’s like the main content really isn’t it
inland flame
Ya Signet Brand and Augery don't drop outside of raid either
serene vessel
when was the last time a bis weapon did not drop from raid, geti in bfa?
last tier if u wanna count that
inland flame
it be the way it do
serene vessel
bis mh but bis oh was from keys
serene vessel
coudlnt use 2 tho
serene vessel
so bis oh was from VP
young swan
yeah but the best in slot weapon was from nelth
valid drum
haha i can see that but i was being genuine
I couldn't feel any sarcasm until he pointed it out
inland flame
because Fyrakk is wearing Destro Sepulcher 4p
young swan
oh
its because
red does choke
wait no
shadow does choke
and red does freedom from choke
modest condor
echo was bursting down the orange one first i think
young swan
got it
young swan
echo was bursting down the orange one first i think
it doesnt actually matter I think, they just burned one because as soon as one dies the mechanic stops altogether
modest condor
didnt liquid use lust in p3 for a while? or was that echo
modest condor
yeah they moved it back to p2
the boss dps check is p2+p3 combined after all, not just p3
young swan
i did not realize the seed was just a dip mechanic
modest condor
yeah me neither until today lol
young swan
thought it was a safety bubble mechanic
valid drum
They lusted p3 on their best try tho
final birch
haven't watched any other rwf, but feels like there are so much more mechanics on fyrakk than on sark
where I've done sark and it felt like a breeze compared to what this boss has
young swan
fyrakk is definitely a harder boss
modest condor
maybe they safety lusted p2 this time then
serene vessel
fyrakk is definitely a harder boss
fyrakk harder than tswift or nah?
modest condor
nah
serene vessel
tswift seemed rough for liquiod
modest condor
tswift is in a tier of its own together with halondrus
modest condor
fyrakk seems like a pretty standard endboss type of difficulty
final birch
the fact seeds basically oneshotted or?
serene vessel
watching fights like tswift makes me wish I was still a hardcore raider
modest condor
what was that hard with tindral
the whole fight was just bad overlaps from start to finish where 1 mistake was a wipe
serene vessel
swift looked so fun to prog
if only i could be 18 again and dedicate 10 hours to playing wow a day
serene vessel
well right im talking be a hrdcore raider
final birch
there is a CE guild that raids only once a week
serene vessel
not a casual CE guild
oblique trail
depends on your definition of hardcore
modest condor
you dont need 10 hours per day to be in a hof guild
final birch
nono there are plenty of 2-3 day hof guilds but I think he means sub 30
oblique trail
you can be wr 100-150 and do the minimum things
serene vessel
i mean 4 sure but the hof guilds definitely want you plaiying wow more than i do
which si what i was getting at
modest condor
yeah i guess if you wanna be in the type of guild that's progging tindral right now you're gonna need to dedicate some time
final birch
you also need to be a massive gamer, time alone doesn't guarantee the spot
serene vessel
im a gamer
modest condor
are you a gamer or a Gamer
serene vessel
im a GAMER
final birch
feels like I might go to sleep and wake up to fyrakk dead
10 hours is enough to get to secret phase and prog it out
modest condor
they wont play for 10 more hours
final birch
wait what time is wherever liquid is stationed
upbeat plume
I just wanna know what the fucking leggo does lol
serene vessel
as does everyone
upbeat plume
I could give a rats ass about wf only reason I have to slightly pay attention to this one is the axe
final birch
I'm somewhat interested in the race itself but mostly it's the weapon for me yeah
And I'm only somewhat interested because I know I will be on that boss sooner or later
modest condor
watching the race teaches you a lot of mechanics already
final birch
Yeah
If I actually just straight up watched them doing the boss for 30 mins I would easily learn all the mechanics I would ever need as melee
upbeat plume
By the time I get to that boss that information will be handily and neatly presented in guides lol I am a mid 200s scrub lol
young swan
liquids pull bricked because they used 2 seeds at once
modest condor
By the time I get to that boss that information will be handily and neatly prese...
having watched prog for hours still teaches you way better than watching a guide imo
final birch
tbf that's not your primary reason to watch the race
modest condor
no ofcourse not im just excited to watch people kill difficult bosses
but it's a good added benefit
final birch
sure if all you wanted was learn the boss then knowing heroic mechanics + guide will give you more than enough
upbeat plume
having watched prog for hours still teaches you way better than watching a guide...
oh of course wasnt trying to imply I thought you were wrong, only my own laziness and learn by doing bs lol
final birch
liquid having wild pull
final birch
yes
noticed that too
the man does all the small things perfectly
like not looking at the boss at all and feeling completely safe being relatively close to frontal
and pixeling seeds
rose bay
Yeah blizzard did a really good job with the hit boxxes
meager gyro
@olive wraith
balmy shore
firedup uniroincally a god
seeing him come outta right field to save the seed was nuts
spark maple
i woulda done the same
serene vessel
i wish i could clip on this channel
serene vessel
seeing him come outta right field to save the seed was nuts
u talking about last pull? Because if not he just did it again too
spark maple
restream his stream on kick illegally and clip from there
dapper goblet
👨🦼
odd pumice
anyone know if we automatically get the embodiment of shadowflame or fyrak mount from killing all the bosses in heroic? or is it only a chance still
spark maple
why do they relog btw
meager gyro
signet brand dropped, lost it but have it on main so don't care
balmy shore
u talking about last pull? Because if not he just did it again too
yea just watching him in general is nuts
serene vessel
its too bad arcane is bis
i wanna watch imfiredup play fire
best spec
allows for the most plays
balmy shore
watching imfiredup on halondrus was so good
dense elbow
After 32 runs of ToT, I must say, place has grown on me. Feels like home 
final birch
trinket?
serene vessel
garf
final birch
I got trinket today
Didn't even farm it tbh, just had a 23 tot and figured I'll do it
I do need like 3 items from tot tho, chest neck and shield
teal badge
Does order matter for catalyze -> upgrade vs upgrade -> catalyze gear out of m+?
warm lark
there goes 1500 stones
dense elbow
Does order matter for catalyze -> upgrade vs upgrade -> catalyze gear out of m+?
No, it stays the same track level
calm kiln
Anyone have the sim string for the t31 chest heroic?
inland flame
there goes 1500 stones
ya but think of all the demons ur gonna bane with that thang
wind adder
Why are most Warriors playing Fury in mythic? I understand heroic because kill times are so quick, but why Mythic? Is Fury just in a better spot?
oblique trail
Simwise Fury and Arms are quite similar, but Fury is tankier
And if you're progging mythic early on, survivability matters
wind adder
This is my Warrior sims
oblique trail
And in general it also just comes down to the fact that there aren't too many fights where one spec is clearly better than the other
final birch
Why are most Warriors playing Fury in mythic? I understand heroic because kill ...
Heroic times being quick is irrelevant argument considering sooner you get to exe phase - sooner you'll execute
wind adder
ah okay
wanton mirage
Why are most Warriors playing Fury in mythic? I understand heroic because kill ...
Fury got a lot of ST and Execute power this tier i think
dense elbow
A lot of exe power
final birch
and well, fights are not binary - I would assume some are actually better for fury
dense elbow
We got an exephase now
wind adder
Sorry I've been an Arms player all expansion. What did they do to Fury execute?
final birch
oblique trail
They giga buffed Bloodbath through the tier set, on top of Vicious Contempt
dense elbow
wanton mirage
Vicious contempt is fury's execute
dense elbow
This tier
inland flame
Reallllly big Bloodbaths at low health +2p
oblique trail
Every 20-25 seconds you'll have Odyn's Fury which buffs your next 3 Bloodthirst/baths by 150% and guarantees a crit on your main target
Combined with 50% increased damage to Bloodthirst/bath under 35%
dense elbow
450-550k hits
inland flame
Ya my record is 550ish with 467 ilvl I think
dense elbow
My record is in the millions, I do so believe. All hail ToT octopus 🐙
wind adder
Alright I went Fury. Thanks for the tips
humble plover
Best for me is with a mirror. 605k
teal badge
No, it stays the same track level
Thanks!
night dune
Either I'm vastly underestimating how much of a boost going up from t30 to t31 is or I forgot the entire spec somehow
I'd prefer the latter since I don't have to rely on punkass RNG to fix it
spark maple
idk how they can pay attention in the fight, everyone is talking nonstop 
winter shoal
I'm p sure they just filter out 99% of what Shak and IFU say
spark maple
i noticed non of them play with game sound either
winter shoal
I love it though, feels weird to me when nobody is saying anything on vc
spark maple
there is callouts which is normal
noble frost
Is there a time where fury would want to run ravager and anger management?
Kinda feel anger management and spear of bastion fucks up burst timing
oblique trail
Not with T31 no
noble frost
So on that note
Do i save spear to cast it with avatar/reckless when i have anger management? Or just all of these shit cast on practically cd
oblique trail
You'll get Reck from Avatar so you don't have to worry about that, and generally AM should bring Recks CD quite close to Avatar, either before or after it's ready
So you can just pop Ava + Spear together, then use Reck either a bit before Avatar or after Avatar since it should last through the entirety of Spear either way (assuming full uptime)
wind adder
Do you guys use Vial of Tepid Versatility, or the Corrupting one?
oblique trail
Tepid is a lot more consistent and offers survivability
And cheaper
So I generally just use that
noble frost
ah alright thanks for the helps
oblique trail
Corrupting will offer a bit more damage but all depends on your uptime (and if it's even up for your CDs)
silent hatch
sorry if its a repetitive question. I read on faq that furys are using arms loot roll? You guys confirm this?
plucky briar
hows fury in keys? i mostly see arms still
noble frost
Unless you want to play single minded fury
past pivot
sorry if its a repetitive question. I read on faq that furys are using arms loot...
Correct.
upper mica
Belt from DHT is BiS right?
olive wraith
You'll get Reck from Avatar so you don't have to worry about that, and generally...
Should just bind rek and ravager
oblique trail
Idk do as you like, I wouldn't recommend it
olive wraith
For am? Why not
young swan
because reck charge
upper mica
Great belt of destruction?
oblique trail
For am? Why not
In general I just don't recommend macroing things together
You can do it if you want to, but it just trains bad muscle memory
clever path
does anyone have a clue on M+ trinket combos and what might be best
oblique trail
At the very least if you are macroing things together, have them on a separate bind as well
celest sierra
So i use cast reset macros, I have recklessness and avatar on a cast reset macro. It casts recklessness first and after 5 seconds if i dont cast avatar the macro resets to recklessness. That being said i still keep avatar and recklessness seperated in their own keybind, but i also have avatar and thunderous roar macroed since they share the same cd
glass kelp
I just macroed reck with charge.. donno if its recommended. I reck first and then charge
oblique trail
That is far from recommended
Just because you want to charge does not mean you want to reck
celest sierra
yeh def not an optimal choice
glass kelp
Just to be on the right track, i reck before i charge right ?
flat river
Yeah because rage generation
final birch
Tbf whenever you make a macro you can ask yourself if there is a situation where you wouldnt want it used
glass kelp
Tbf whenever you make a macro you can ask yourself if there is a situation where...
Yeah exactly, i reck charge on packs and i lose it when i reach bosses so yeah i wont be using macros at all.
past pivot
does anyone have a clue on M+ trinket combos and what might be best
Augury. Might. Mirror. Crab.
safe valve
i have a really shit offhand as a 2hander, but i have a Gholak, is it fine to use untill i get a good 2hander?
safe valve
simed it and it tells me to use the 1 hander
just wasnt sure if i trust it
but the 2hander i have is only 431
the gholak is 476
past pivot
i have a really shit offhand as a 2hander, but i have a Gholak, is it fine to us...
Don’t use a 1hander and a 2hander. If the 1hander is that high, get another 1hander and play smf and ignore the laughs while you get good 2handers. Or just stick with the 2handers and farm them up
safe valve
Don’t use a 1hander and a 2hander. If the 1hander is that high, get another 1han...
thats what i thought, but the sim tells me useing the 1hander is 5k higher, so thought i would ask here
oblique trail
1handers/SMF is a very legimitate thing to use if you have terrible 2handers but great 1handers
It's just in general worse than 2handers to use however
safe valve
i have 1 of each thats good
past pivot
And be in arms spec. No reason to be in fury loot spec.
safe valve
i was in arms when i got it
no one else needed it
thanks for the help, will stick with my 431 for now
past pivot
It’s such a disparity, the sims won’t give a proper answer with rationale.
So either go TG and bite the bullet or farm another 1hander in the interim and go smf for now.
safe valve
It’s such a disparity, the sims won’t give a proper answer with rationale.
So e...
thanks for the help, will just farm anouther 2hander
past pivot
Good luck. And you’re set for prot.
inland flame
With Frost DK getting their 2H stuff baseline kinda waiting for baseline SMF
past pivot
I remember back in the day when people tried to make DW 1hand Arms work (when you could do that). Spoiler: it didn’t end well.
meager gyro
but the 2hander i have is only 431
If you have 30 whelping crests you can get a draconic axe created to 447 it's s two hander
wind adder
Got today. Want to make it work for Single-Minded Fury so bad lol
young swan
yeah and then u see this and its not so insane anymore
shy knot
Yeah ofc
wind adder
but muh smf!
shy knot
But full bis guy with these
Gon pump
They should change the tree and make SMF viable with onslaught honestly
shy knot
It would fit the playstyle
young swan
they should just remove it forever
shy knot
Lolno
keen kindle
like SMF is the only talent that under no circumstances should've been a talent
young swan
tired of hearing about it tbh
shy knot
Smf is canon fury
keen kindle
they decided TG was a stupid idea as a talent, so why wasn't SMF just....put back there
keen kindle
tired of hearing about it tbh
Just tell them if they like str one handers to go frost 
young swan
true
keen kindle
Yes, and one of them uses str one handers\
keen kindle
War has 1 and a joke
isn't fury currently using said joke?
young swan
yeah but there literally isnt a playstyle difference
there is no difference at all
you just have 2 1 handers and play the exact same
safe valve
If you have 30 whelping crests you can get a draconic axe created to 447 it's s ...
ohh i forgot about that
young swan
Fury dosen't really change stuff up much most of the time
really hoping that changes next xpac
shy knot
Thats fine if you just attacked fast
keen kindle
really hoping that changes next xpac
I think both warrior specs need adressing
young swan
as functional and intuitive fury is, its so bland
shy knot
Visual difference
keen kindle
ARms needs a rework and fury needs to have some actual life into it
Instead of just "me have CDs evrey pull yay"
Oh wait, anni killed that
keen kindle
I just think rava worked better tbh
keen kindle
I think warrior just needs pain points to be adressed
Like arms's rage issue and fury just being really really bland
young swan
like arms is still a respectable middle of the pack it just sucks because the specs that are better are better by a LOT
same with fury
keen kindle
like arms is still a respectable middle of the pack it just sucks because the sp...
More so a sympthon of poor balancing
young swan
yeah..
keen kindle
same could be said about a lot of other secs like survival hunter
keen kindle
Just give us heroic strike or some new ability that feels good pre execute
and let us throw TC out the fucking window
wind adder
Bring back Gladiator Warrior
keen kindle
Bring back Gladiator Warrior
no
wind adder
lmao
wild mural
Bring back Gladiator Warrior
Yes
clever path
is it possible to get 70% mastery 30% haste and 40% Crit?
flat river
N
clever path
i don't play fury so idk how mastery balances for fury
south kayak
like arms is still a respectable middle of the pack it just sucks because the sp...
Don’t worry man those specs are going to be nerfed after WF
flat river
like arms is still a respectable middle of the pack it just sucks because the sp...
You aren't a true warrior
True warrior doesn't care about other classes
Only warrior
mortal rock
how bad is hekili herorotation or maxdps for fury warrior ?
flat river
I dreamt leggo weapon dropped
teal sable
So Reck -> Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> TR -> Rampage -> BB -> SD -> Rampage for AOE yes?
And is Execute -> Rampage or not?
rotund steppe
I dreamt leggo weapon dropped
what did it do
pure breach
is it possible to get 70% mastery 30% haste and 40% Crit?
Maybe drop haste to 25%
flat river
what did it do
Idk i didn't get it
But my guess
Is it will deal big dmg and split a part of the target's spirit to help you in combat for a certain duration
shy knot
If it did aoe dmg on use would be nice
flat river
Could be
It will deal big dmg to primary and aoe to the rest
And summon dream vision of primary
clever path
just make it buff ur dmg by 75% plz
flat river
My dream is that it needed to be crafted with certain items
Soulbound items
First you needed to craft a certain weapon, then you could use that weapon and upgrade it to get the leggo
Shadowmourn flashbacks
I have very lucid dreams man
shy knot
Yep that would be nice
cunning reef
Is retail fun again? I've been considering coming back to it to play Vengeance DH/Fury War/Hpal
shy knot
Sorta
If you aint got no group for m+/raids it can suck
Gotta play prot to get any invites for keys
cunning reef
M+ is the main thing I miss
tepid pike
dude how op is fury warrior
Hi, could u show u stats ?
oblique trail
what does showing the stats do for you
tepid pike
dude how op is fury warrior
Signet of the last elder is good? I think too much vers
tepid pike
i’m the dh
Ah ((
buoyant salmon
yeah it’s good
spare otter
Is there like someplace you can see timers of when to use CDs/when a boss does a certain mech?
wild mural
Well that was certainly a night out
cunning igloo
just finished a throne at 284k overall lol
we had aug and last boss boosts it by so much but still feels good to pump
tame yarrow
Hey guys
Are we sure that we dont take the set helmet? It is heavy on mastery and mastery seems to be far ahead for me
flat river
there are better helmets
oblique trail
The difference really between the proposed bis setup and full tier gear is incredibly tiny
tall surge
Looks like we will see legendary weapon today 😄
flat river
Looks like we will see legendary weapon today 😄
Did they kill mythic fyrrak?
trail bane
Are we sure that we dont take the set helmet? It is heavy on mastery and mastery...
Sim yourself.
The "dont take the helment" is based on other items providing certian stats.
If you dont have those other items, helmet might be a good choice
glass kelp
is it okay if I macro Thundering roar with ODF ?
glass kelp
okay then i wont 🫡
flat river
If you try to it will cast the first thing you macrod
You should macro it to recklessness
I charge then recklessness
chilly plume
oblique trail
Blanket statement, no
But sim it if you have horrible 2handers and it might just be better
glass kelp
naah, fuck macros i'll stick to muscle memory and thats it
night stone
Can they just Kill fyrakk already so we can see How hard its gonna be to get legendary
oblique trail
It just depends on what kind of macros you make and how you use them
flat river
Can they just Kill fyrakk already so we can see How hard its gonna be to get leg...
Hard?
UwU
glass kelp
all i wanted is a tiny one macro that will ease up my rotation, thats all bro
oblique trail
Doesn't really say much
dapper goblet
👨🦼
oblique trail
If anything you could macro trinkets with the same CD to something like Reck or Avatar
flat river
I macrod roar with recklessness because I don't have enough buttons
pale plaza
which skillung should i use, without any T30 bonus und 2pc T31?
oblique trail
How do you run out of buttons
flat river
which skillung should i use, without any T30 bonus und 2pc T31?
New build
oblique trail
And Reck + Roar is just not optimal play
glass kelp
I macrod roar with recklessness because I don't have enough buttons
but how ? since you reck before charge
flat river
but how ? since you reck before charge
I dont
XD
I have 2 CD buttons i use
Otherwise gg i forget everyone else
glass kelp
come on guys, do i reck before charge or vice versa ? 😔
tidal path
Ayo, so we craft lariat right away and keep 1 armor patch?
flat river
Ayo, so we craft lariat right away and keep 1 armor patch?
Lariot later in xpac
oblique trail
Ayo, so we craft lariat right away and keep 1 armor patch?
Only way that Lariat would be the play is if you somehow got full socketed gear that you wont be swapping anytime soon
flat river
When u have gems
tidal path
aight
oblique trail
The early play is Allied Wrists + Shadowflame patch on cloak
flat river
I use recklessness after charge what's wrong with that? >:(
oblique trail
You need to wait for 10 rage to be able to rampage if you do it like that
flat river
Easy slam
oblique trail
And if you use w/e macro that is with reck + roar, the roar wont be enraged
It's just a very cooked opener and macro
covert blaze
How do you not have enough buttons on this spec
flat river
Ok ill macro it with avatar
covert blaze
God forbid you play anything else
fervent turtle
sup, is it viable to play seismic reverberation instead of crusing force in M+?
covert blaze
Bro?
night stone
Make more buttons
covert blaze
Do you play on a controller?
oblique trail
sup, is it viable to play seismic reverberation instead of crusing force in M+?
Seismic is an incredibly low throughput talent
flat river
Shift+r and shift+t are my cd buttons
pastel hawk
Hi guys. Is it okay to enchant both weapons with Sophic Devotion? Or is 1x Sophic and 1x Wafting better for dps?
oblique trail
It's just not really worth it compared to placing the talents into util
oblique trail
Hi guys. Is it okay to enchant both weapons with Sophic Devotion? Or is 1x Sophi...
You can sim this
oblique trail
Atm though, most sims I've seen have had Sophic and Wafting be quite close to each other for any Annihilator setup
covert blaze
💀
oblique trail
But it all just really is something you should double check yourself with your own char
oblique trail
I mean if it works for you more power to you
flat river
It's BiS for me
flat river
If i change them it will be like playing a new class
scarlet sapphire
Hey guys, is it "normal" to overcap on rage with the new tierset, especially in Aoe with Cds? feels weird to me to not press a double rampage cause of the BB buff, but that's just muscle memory.
flat river
I love my keybinds
oblique trail
Hey guys, is it "normal" to overcap on rage with the new tierset, especially in ...
Overcapping during CDs isn't unusual no
oblique trail
If i change them it will be like playing a new class
Sure, but when you've actually gotten used to them then you'll do better
fervent turtle
I HAVE 2 CD BUTTONS
oh you were serious here? 😄
flat river
Yes
oblique trail
Macroing things like Reck + Roar and popping Roar unenraged because of somehow lacking keybinds is just an excuse really unless you absolutely have something stopping you from using more binds
covert blaze
If i change them it will be like playing a new class
It will be worth it if it keeps you away from using bad macros
oblique trail
If you need more binds, use modifiers and you'll suddenly have a million more binds available
covert blaze
Use modifier, F keys, anything really
flat river
I'll just use E ffs
covert blaze
You have a lot of keys in a keyboard lol
fervent turtle
when you only play solo or LFD/LFR thats fine i guess
fervent turtle
then you get just carried all over the place
oblique trail
Perhaps but your binds aren't helping you
flat river
My binds are
1-6. Ctrl+q,e,r,t,f,g. Shift+1-6, Shift+ q,w,e,r,f,g. Mouse button 5. Mouse button 4. q,e,r,t
fervent turtle
so you were talking BS then
split comet
so weird thing I just found.
simming TG / SMF with 489 fyraak weapons or 489 Gnarl root weapons - With SMF or TG talents selected.
SMF: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tTvGnfnZhmzEaHbPLqnEq9
TG: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/evgcSTMYbxaRoEvsZjjhjz
SMF is slightly ahead.
flat river
so weird thing I just found.
simming TG / SMF with 489 fyraak weapons or 489 Gn...
Yooo where are u from man
split comet
HK
flat river
HK?
scarlet sapphire
Overcapping during CDs isn't unusual no
So the headline is that I always should consume the BB buff even tho I would overcap on rage?
flat river
Y
split comet
Hong Kong
quiet willow
BB is the name of the proc for upgraded bloodthirst via 2piece set ?
oblique trail
So the headline is that I always should consume the BB buff even tho I would ove...
Yes, you want to BB > Rampage even if you're overcapped
scarlet sapphire
Yes, you want to BB > Rampage even if you're overcapped
And is it a good rule of thumb to put slam+whirlwind on CD when you wouldn't overcap rage before you rampage, feeling like I sometimes have nothing to press when I immidiatly rampage again after using BB
Or better to say I am not getting enough rage from ww+slam+normal Bloodthirst to rampage
So I missplay kind of
cerulean edge
1-6. Ctrl+q,e,r,t,f,g. Shift+1-6, Shift+ q,w,e,r,f,g. Mouse button 5. Mouse butt...
If you're open to it, try using Shift+ScrollMousewheelUp and Shift+ScrollMousewheelDown. I've used those as my two main CD keybinds on many toons for many years. That can then free up your Shift+Q and Shift+E for OF and Roar 🤷♂️ It also feels very intuitive to use, at least for me
oblique trail
Depends on the scenario really. Generally you want to Rampage -> BB if possible, and as often as possible
But if you know you wont be able to Rampage soon after you do your Rampage -> BB rotation, then you can use Slam just to put it on CD
However since BB/BT is a 2GCD cooldown, you'd prioritise BT above Slam in this scenario before the Rampage
oblique trail
You can, but there's not much point to it
You don't play around your Dancing Blades
scarlet sapphire
Thanks a lot for the help, think I just need practice with the way fury plays now. But pressing rampage as soon as it is avaible is not the play anymore right?
oblique trail
You send Avatar as your OF avatar runs out
lean heart
oblique trail
So if anything, tracking your Avatar buff does more for you than tracking Dancing Blades
oblique trail
Thanks a lot for the help, think I just need practice with the way fury plays no...
Correct, assuming you have a Reckless Abandon charge ready
lean heart
So if anything, tracking your Avatar buff does more for you than tracking Dancin...
make sense ty
ive just been sending ava after my 3 BBs from OF
oblique trail
BB is the highest priority if available to reduce the CD of OF through 4set
swift hatch
how is the correct opener rotation? im doing charge - rampoage - Reck- odyn - TR - BB - Rampage - BB - avatar and then standard Rampage - BB
lean heart
reck as u charge
glass kelp
when i reck and charge and pop ODF into Spear, do i need to wait for 10 secs by spamming Rampage > BB until Dancing Blades goes into cd and then pop Avatar ?
trail bane
No, you just want to wait for the OF bleed to wear off
restive peak
Ehhhh!! Gratz boo
fickle stirrup
If I can make an item at 476 which craft would y'all recommend first?
Companionship wrists or Cape with Shadowflame Patch?
oblique trail
wrists
flat river
Wrists my opinion
flat river
Np
sudden socket
sup lads, we got a talent build(s) for no tier pieces?
lavish grove
Use s2 build
sudden socket
cheers
sudden socket
ty
oblique trail
It was only used for a part of S1, where as you used the build for all of S2
So it just clears the confusions
lavish grove
Yes, but in s2 you took bt talents and i didn't want to explain further. W/e
flat river
is fury with 4-set stronger than arms with 4-set?
cause 2-set and 2-set it seems that they are almost equal
oblique trail
In raid they're about equal in 4p, but as for 2p2p Arms will be ahead in general
proper veldt
hello guys i am new to fury , can someone help me out and explain to me when i should be using execute / sd procs ?
oblique trail
Wdym atm
oblique trail
I didn't play in S2 but it's gonna be upgradeable immediately as you get it out of the vault
Regardless of the track
worldly shard
like if i did a +16 (would be myth track) 1/3
after w4 patch
but on start it was 441 and locked ilvl
non upgradeable]
idk i started playing s3 3days ago
oblique trail
I got a 483 Myth track weapon from my vault and I could upgrade it as I picked it out of the vault
worldly shard
kinda annoying that i have 461ilvl in my invie, but can only equip 454
oblique trail
If that helps convince you
worldly shard
without losing dps
but should fix that issue next week after getting KSM + 2x catalyst charges and vault
worldly shard
I got a 483 Myth track weapon from my vault and I could upgrade it as I picked i...
ahh thats cool then
i got 180 aspect crests past 2-3days, just to catchup a bit
crafted allied wrist, and gonna craft cloak with shadowflame next week
oblique trail
Would just craft either one first with the free wyrms crest you get from killing Fyrakk
And use your Aspects for now upgrading trinkets, weapons, tier or socketed items
worldly shard
questline?
silk wharf
You need to do the main quest until it stops and has you kill Fyrakk.
worldly shard
only did the campaign up until 3/7 just to unlock the weekly quest and the new zone
and also spark fragment
lavish grove
only did the campaign up until 3/7 just to unlock the weekly quest and the new z...
Takes like 30 minutes to get to fyrakk quest
oblique trail
m+?
In M+ they're both strong with 4p
But don't have 4p yet to really say much in depth about them in M+
icy topaz
Got 2 set and my dmg is not bad but feels so shit to play, plz tell me with 4set is getting better
lavish grove
flat river
xd
pallid cipher
Is it worth trying to farm Gorehowl or should I just aim to craft a weapon?
oblique trail
Crafting weapons isn't really ideal this early on
A max ilvl crafted weapon would only be 3 ilvl higher than a hero track weapon that you can farm, and 3 ilvl lower than the highest ilvl possible from myth track
pallid cipher
True true. Is it still worth trying to farm gorehowl though? Heard someone say it has terrible drop rate
slow veldt
What stats are optimal for crafted back? see ppl playing different
I guess vers/mast should be optimal?
dry pendant
I guess vers/mast should be optimal?
I have vers mastery on mine
oblique trail
True true. Is it still worth trying to farm gorehowl though? Heard someone say i...
There is no way to really determine droprate, apart from how many items are in a dungeons lootpool
And Rise in particular doesn't have too many
If someone said it has a terrible drop rate, then it's simply because they were unlucky
pallid cipher
Cool thanks 🙂
desert cloud
I guess vers/mast should be optimal?
No stat is optimal until you sim on droptimiser for max ilvl crafting with all stats
For example for me haste mastery was the highest upgrade
It won’t be the case for u
slow veldt
I see, so guess it might need recraft at a later time also
shy knot
Got 2 set and my dmg is not bad but feels so shit to play, plz tell me with 4set...
You use OF more
upper mica
i feel like my DPS is shit... and i cant figure out why... im poppin reck into OF into rampage into BB into avatar rampage BB rampage BB thunderous roar and then i use rampage when its up to proc BB and spam BT otherwise but i feel there is down time or im not putting out enough DPS
gaunt zephyr
Wait, second wind doesn't cancel with detonate thingy (forgot it's name) ? o_o
summer idol
I have spell reflect essential WA but it does not SAY in chat when I reflect. How can I enable that?
pliant hawk
what better to craft witch wrist are best Primal Molten Vambraces with shadowflame or Allied Wristguard of Companionship ? sims show that Primal Molten Vambraces with shadowflame is better.
hard widget
I have spell reflect essential WA but it does not SAY in chat when I reflect. Ho...
make a macro,
#showtooltip
/use spell reflection
/yell Don't kick, spell reflecting!
Something like that
pliant hawk
what better to craft witch wrist are best Primal Molten Vambraces with shadowflame or Allied Wristguard of Companionship ? sims show that Primal Molten Vambraces with shadowflame is better. anyone can help me ?
summer idol
make a macro,
#showtooltip
/use spell reflection
/yell Don't kick, spell reflect...
That would help but I see some streamers it automatically Chat message Lightning bolt reflected for 200k Damage!
I want that
hard widget
That would help but I see some streamers it automatically Chat message Lightning...
Thats a weakaura
lavish grove
Maybe you downloaded wrong wa?
hard widget
That would help but I see some streamers it automatically Chat message Lightning...
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1/2 - Spell reflect info / announcer
deep niche
For ST 2x shadowflame better. For aoe versa wrists
hard widget
For ST 2x shadowflame better. For aoe versa wrists
Best way to know is to sim, could be different depending on your statweight
summer idol
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1/2 - Spell reflect info / announcer
Okay that is for announcing it, ty. I thought its part of Spell reflect essential WA
hard widget
Okay that is for announcing it, ty. I thought its part of Spell reflect essenti...
No problem, and yeah its 2 seperate WA's ^^
oblique trail
I mean really this early on there's no reason to craft 2x Shadowflame regardless of whatever your stat weight would look like
Unless you genuinely don't do anything but login for raid
hard widget
Thats not entirely true
Shadowflame patches are great for boosting single target, and usually when raiding its the embellishment you want to aim to get (or the allied wristguards)
oblique trail
Sure, that's why I mentioned unless you don't do anything but raid
hard widget
They also work well in dungeons, since there is a lot of prio targets in the dungeon rotation we currently have
oblique trail
While it ever so slightly buffs your ST damage, Allied gives you both damage and survivability, that works for ST and AoE
hard widget
Smart dps > big dps
The survivability you gain is very minimal, and our class revolves a lot around priority target damage this time around
So might as well bump it up even more
oblique trail
And both Fury and Arms have plenty of ST/Prio damage as is that you don't really need to go 2x Shadowflame to further increase it
hard widget
All up to you, but the dungeons in current rotation require quite a lot more single target, so having 2x shadowflame is a very viable option if you are playing to time the dungeon rather than doing bigger overal
One of the reasons i started playing dancing blades over titanic rage in dungeons as well 🙂
oblique trail
It's all incredibly minimal whichever way you look at it when it comes to embellishments
Shadowflame does practically cosmetic damage compared to OF buffed BBs/2x EP/OP buffed MS
I'd just recommend a consistent embellishment that works generally well in every scenario, and is only ever so slightly behind the pure ST version
hard widget
I wouldnt call 4-5k dps cosmetic
lavish grove
Doubt that you'll get 4-5k dps from 1 embellishment
oblique trail
When you say 4-5k dps, are you just thinking of it as going from 1x Shadowflame + Allied -> 2x Shadowflame
lavish grove
**I mean over another
oblique trail
Or no embellishment at all to 2x Shadowflame
oblique trail
Because what is the average % you see your Shadowflame do in keys, compared to how much % increase you'd get from the Allied Wrists' versatility
hard widget
Allied wristguards simming 1.1k less st for me
(im in aoe build because well, not logged in to change it)
oblique trail
A 0.6%~ downgrade in ST is definitely worth giving up around 2%~ (depending on your stats) versatility which works in any scenario, no?
hard widget
145 dps gain in aoe
Since we already gain quite a bit of versatility from gear, it might look better on paper than it is on actual sims
oblique trail
Looking good on paper and sims are basically the same thing
hard widget
Maybe its better for you than it is for me, however single target damage increase in dungeons is way better than gaining slight aoe damage. The survivability is almost neglectable
lavish grove
oblique trail
The single target gain is also slight
hard widget
Single target gain is way more valuable in dungeons rather than aoe
Especially in our current dungeon rotation
bitter fable
Not sure I'd call it slight
But to each their own
oblique trail
I don't particularly think so considering there are packs with multiple deadly mobs in them where you can't always have a priority target
hard widget
Well, everyone has their own preference. This is what i have experienced. And I do quite decent key levels
If you rather play wristguards its very viable too. However its not as black as white of it just always being better
lavish grove
Could you run patchwerk 5t for one minute? Just curious about result
summer idol
What is that WA for? Sorry for noob question. I could not understand the purpose of it
gaunt zephyr
Question: Are the engineer wrist worthless? 🤔 (using it for BR since my group doesn't have one)
oblique trail
If you are talking about the 30%, then it's remnants of the T30 set bonus
Where it counted the crit % of your Bloodthirst
oblique trail
Yes
hard widget
Could you run patchwerk 5t for one minute? Just curious about result
1 min 5 targets patchwork is ahead by 1.5 ish
oblique trail
Question: Are the engineer wrist worthless? 🤔 (using it for BR since my group d...
They're fine if you don't mind giving up a bit of damage for the utility
gaunt zephyr
They're fine if you don't mind giving up a bit of damage for the utility
Ok, thanks for answering ^_^
bitter fable
What is that WA for? Sorry for noob question. I could not understand the purpose...
Looks like the old BT % crit chance but for bloodbath
lavish grove
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/grFSuXbscMCT6yg11bZgNZ
Thx
nimble pewter
so weird thing I just found.
simming TG / SMF with 489 fyraak weapons or 489 Gn...
has the smf time finally come?!
hard widget
We're getting a 2h legendary kekw
nimble pewter
until we get the leggo
bitter fable
I highly doubt it
hard widget
I think the trouble of getting those weapons and the gear etc is not worth it
Even if its similar dps
Especially considering you will want to instantly swap to the legendary when you get it
bitter fable
Imo even with similar DPS can't make up for the streight and stamina the 2h provides
hard widget
That as well
upper mica
from a 15 ToTT - i feel it should be alot higher....
hard widget
Could be a lot of factors
Might be the way the tank pulled or perhaps the prio targets stayed alive far longer etc
split comet
Yeah it’s just neat to see that smf is tuned close
upper mica
thats true... its hard to give guidance on a key unless you are there right lol
bitter fable
Yh deffenetly saw the difference myself in how the tank pulls
hard widget
Definitely true, a tank can make or break your dps with their pulls
oblique trail
love when a tank pulls 1 big mob, you pop CDs assuming he wont chain pull, then 10 seconds after you pop CDs he decides to pull another 8 mob pack
eternal sundial
love when a tank pulls 1 big mob, you pop CDs assuming he wont chain pull, then ...
love this
press roar
tank gets 20 smallies
split comet
love when a tank pulls 1 big mob, you pop CDs assuming he wont chain pull, then ...
I don’t understand why this happens
Threat maybe
But good tanks it never feels like an issue
bitter fable
It could be them thinking "oh they're killing it fast better pull more"
Sadly that's after we use CD's soo
oblique trail
I don’t understand why this happens
Idiocy
Or just a case of being incredibly uncertain on how to tank
Has happened to me numerous times in Throne in particular on the spider lady mob w/e with pugs
It wouldn't be unusual to pop some CDs on it, you pop some, then immediately they pull the dog pack despite them being in a good spot before pulling the big spider lady
dim spindle
They still haven't downed M Fyrakk? Noobs
plucky ice
icy berry
which tier piece dont we use?
dim spindle
Bracers
meager gyro
you don't need new tier, just play w/out it
dim spindle
Yeah the slam build is objectively a downgrade
bitter fable
which tier piece dont we use?
Depends I'd say helm cos the one from AD has really nice stats but depending on what your gear is
oblique trail
which tier piece dont we use?
At this point any that you can get at the highest ilvl possible, other than that it's very close between swapping out helmet with the AD helmet, or the legs with Gnarlroot legs
meager gyro
just play raging blow at 490 ilvl and see it's fine w/out tier
dim spindle
Tier bonuses are just a crutch anyway
meager gyro
fucking waiting for rework on talent tree and blizz having a piss with tier bonuses
bitter fable
Proformence wise t31 is doing better
inland flame
I don't need things that make me do more damage to do more damage. -John Gigachad
dim spindle
Literally 1984
chrome plover
which tier piece dont we use?
basically just play helm if you have good legs and legs if you have good helm
dim spindle
Or is it the G word that's censored? hmm
meager gyro
the raw word
dim spindle
reported
bitter fable
It's completely fine if you didn't like the playstyle but don't mislead people
dim spindle
I don't need things that make me do more damage to do more damage. -John Gigacha...
Doing things that make you do more damage is toxic and elitist and completely unnecessary unless you're RWF
meager gyro
raging blow 490 ilvl sim it, it does dmg
dim spindle
How close is it, really? I'm actually curious
meager gyro
it's about 30k behind new tier
bitter fable
🤣
meager gyro
just play better than the sim, EZ
bitter fable
"close"
inland flame
ya turns out spamming 4-500k BB crits is good damage
upper mica
WOOHOO jut got gorehowl!
covert blaze
gz
bitter fable
Congratulations woo
pale plaza
can anyone hlep me? I am new at fury and i jsut dont know, where i find the spell bloodbath
hardy cargo
when talented into reckless abandon, bloodthirst turns into bloodbath after pressing rampage
dim spindle
SMF raging blow? Sounds like a winner to me
bitter fable
can anyone hlep me? I am new at fury and i jsut dont know, where i find the spel...
Your bloodthirst becomes bloodbath when you enrage with the reckless abandon talent
dim spindle
It would be hilarious if they made t31 buff SMF next exp
I predict they'll eventually drop the SMF talent entirely and just let you tmog to 1h
hardy cargo
gaining enrage buff is not equal to pressing ramp, you get RA when pressing ramp, not when gaining enrage buff
meager gyro
dim spindle
Man that pic gives me nostalgia
Except my desk was stacked with the warcraft mountain dews and Camels
bitter fable
gaining enrage buff is not equal to pressing ramp, you get RA when pressing ramp...
Yes thought about it after
My bad
inland flame
is it the CRTs or the pile of circa 2007 Mountain Breeze cans?
dim spindle
is it the CRTs or the pile of circa 2007 Mountain Breeze cans?
All of that, and the speaker on the left
How the hell does he use his mouse, though... or is he using his arrow keys?
What a chad
meager gyro
left handed, mouse next to cans in front of xbox tv
weak tulip
guys .. where i`m doing the mistake ? rotation ?
dim spindle
left handed, mouse next to cans in front of xbox tv
Oh shit, good call
frosty scroll
guys .. where i`m doing the mistake ? rotation ?
U simmed st no?
And the dmg meter is from m+ correct?
Cant compare that to each other
dim spindle
Gotta show us the actual logs for anyone to give any advice
bitter fable
Says quick sim
weak tulip
simed with m+ talents
frosty scroll
As i said, those r 2 completely different scenarios
U simmed m+ talents on 1 target tho right
meager gyro
🤦♂️
upper mica
DOTI rise i managed 157k ..... i think im getting more used to the rotation
hardy cargo
guys .. where i`m doing the mistake ? rotation ?
quick sims generally include all raid buffs which you dont have in that key. Not to say this is the only issue here. I definitely wouldn't compare your key dynamic overall to a st sim
weak tulip
chosed dungeon option without raid buffs
bitter fable
DOTI rise i managed 157k ..... i think im getting more used to the rotation
Practice makes perfect ^^
When I got 2set few days ago. First key was 89k overall. 20 keys later 140-150k
inland flame
Comparing your dungeon overall to a sim isn't very helpful. There are so many things that factor into dungeon performance. How big your tank pulled. How good your other dps was. Which buffs you had (monks are a myth). Just do your best.
hardy cargo
dslice is unreliable to sim with
I was going to type the above but he did it for me so see there 
dim spindle
More accurate would be to compare your dps to similarly geared warriors logs
in that particular dungeon
Also hit your buttons harder, that always helps
Unironically in some cases
inland flame
Unironically having a low APM is an issue some people have that hurts their dps.
dim spindle
Fo sho
inland flame
Missed globals bad.
dim spindle
Big reason why I just can't seem to enjoy casters as much... can't stand waiting
Except affliction back in the day, that worked pretty well for me
dim spindle
Yeah I wouldn't give much weight to dungeon slice
inland flame
P sure our theorycrafters say its fine for Fury
dim spindle
Good for a vague reference but definitely don't take it as gospel
inland flame
It's just not a good idea to compare it to your end of dung
dim spindle
Do they? I stand corrected
inland flame
It's a good way to find your best M+ setup but its not like you should shoot for the number for your end of dung damage and you failed if you didn't hit it
What decides if you performed well enough in the key is if you timed it
dim spindle
Yeah that's what I meant, like someone said earlier end of dungeon numbers have a huge amount of variables
short spire
i just did bhr 22 i did 290k
weak tulip
so somewhere i`m doing a mistake
graceful drift
Hey guys, do you also have such huge problems getting into keys? I made almost 1.7k score last week but won't get into any this week
weak tulip
or those trinket not helping at all to do more damage
hardy cargo
for starters you only have 3 set, and yeah it might be a little low but youll get a very noticible jump in dps when you get 4 set
you are also playing a very bursty comp so like if yours doesnt get off first then ur fucked
its a tyran week as long as u did well on bosses on a 20 trash just evaporates
inland flame
I'ma keep it 100 with you, you have full gems and enchants. 3 gems in your neck. You're already better than at least half of the playerbase.
weak tulip
so that i`m not doing the right rotation
hardy cargo
I think from the evidence provided you are probably just doing fine
weak tulip
to let you know .. i`m playing just from s2
inland flame
I saw a warr the other day that was 2.5k 470 equipped without a single gem or chant, I almost lost my mind.
weak tulip
after a 10 years break
hardy cargo
just keep playing, youre doing fine
dnt let someone whos playing one of the best specs in the game tell u off lol
inland flame
If the other two dps were more geared and pumped harder that's not necessarily on you. As long as you did your dam and lived.
hardy cargo
and like I said, 4 set is very noticible
inland flame
More dam will come with 4p, better weapons, and practice.
weak tulip
i dont get mind about them .. but when he says i can do better
than maybe i ahve a problem
ok cool
appreciate all your help
hardy cargo
go smack the 5 grp target dummies for 5 mins and then run a 5 min 5t patchwerk sim and compare the breakdowns
and change raid buffs accordingly
like shout, comsumables if you use them at all
inland flame
Macro perma augment rune into bshout gang
weak tulip
and the % for corrupting rage ? should be default by 80 % ?
hardy cargo
I leave it at 80% personally but I believe its normally around 90%
inland flame
I'ma be real esp pugging so much I just roll vers phials.
weak tulip
so you`re not using at all corr rage ?
inland flame
Not atm. Extra toughness from vers is nice.
It's not wrong to use it tho, its more dam than vers.
Can go either way depending on what you want.
naive swallow
god , sometimes i feel for the players with 460 or lower ilvl in pug 18s
keep getting trash talked by the "veterens" , most of em arent even nice anymore
errant vessel
guys I'm getting demolished by my havoc/bm friend in keys
is this the same experience you have or
oblique trail
If they're decent and competent then yeah they'll beat you
errant vessel
yeah because I don't have shit logs so I think I'm playing fury optimally
do you think we're gonna get buffed on AOE?
plucky ice
no
oblique trail
No, if anything I think they're gonna nerf the outliers atm
restive peak
BM and DH absolutely nuke us yes, they’re likely going to get nerfed
We don’t need a buff
Leggo and some nerfs to the outliers will close the gap a ton
summer idol
if my offhand wep is low ilv, it will effect my DPS a lot?
errant vessel
if my offhand wep is low ilv, it will effect my DPS a lot?
offhand is second highest dps increase after main hand
oblique trail
It'll affect it but not as much as having a low ilvl main hand
restive peak
My group runs BM assa and me as fury and we’re timing 24s comfortably now, so I’d expect nerfs
summer idol
Leggo and some nerfs to the outliers will close the gap a ton
not sure if leggo will be accessible by majority
weak forge
post wf fyrakk kill i expect to see more than a few nerfs the spread is too wide rn even with tier
plucky ice
bm rogues dh all with get some nerfs
meager void
not sure if leggo will be accessible by majority
It will be as available as the Evoker legendary which still spams server-wide
summer idol
Is there any hardcap for our stats? what should I am?
weak forge
those and enhance i suspect as well a bit
summer idol
I have %41 mastery, 31 haste and 21 crit
oblique trail
Don't worry about your stats and just do top gear sims on raidbots
inland flame
Caps aren't a thing. Just diminishing returns. Sim to find your best stats.
oblique trail
It'll answer any stat questions better than anyone else could
hardy cargo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVXYk8Htd7fafzQmyVFzMz
now compare your damage breakdown on meters compared to that
also still no shout in your buffs
meager void
now compare your damage breakdown on meters compared to that
doesn't the APL lack precision for MT?
hardy cargo
doesn't the APL lack precision for MT?
im unsure about that, ive not been around here too much. I just assumed it didnt
and if any mistakes were there, I would assumed fixed by this point
meager void
is not about mistakes but rather burst potential
which is why we have this section on the guide
plucky ice
huge dam
inland flame
can confirm, dam is huge
errant vessel
isn't blade dance better for tyrannical?
meager void
which is why we have this section on the guide
so you have to keep prio in mind but also sorta eye-ball how to max your bursts depending on whats available when going to a new pack.
plucky ice
dancing blades is kinda annoying in dungs tbh
sim the difference if you think its worth
obsidian jackal
is there a scenario when slam is considered better prio than bt? (rage wise)
hardy cargo
doesn't the APL lack precision for MT?
yeah running sims and doing my own dummy tests, something is definitely borked when simming MT
meager void
@hardy cargo yeah, this is what silm said about MT APL.
hardy cargo
yeah looking at the breakdowns it was definitely not casting bb enough
now i know, ty
meager void
ST APL, however, is currently :chefkiss:
errant vessel
is there a scenario when slam is considered better prio than bt? (rage wise)
if you don't have rage for Rampage, Bloodbath not up and Furious Bloodthirst buff up I think?
not entirely sure though
that's how I do it anyway
inland flame
No I believe you're correct in that you're only supposed to spend your 2p on BB
errant vessel
ye but I think it also matters whether you are close to Ramp rage
because if you're at 10 rage then you're not getting rampage anyway
valid moon
Can we macro Reck with Avatar? Do the rotation, save the OF when the BT buff (3) ends then use OF again?
inland flame
I believe you want to pop Reck with OF on the pull
You use Ava second
And you don't have to worry about 2p stacks because it goes up to 6
oblique trail
Can we macro Reck with Avatar? Do the rotation, save the OF when the BT buff (3)...
You want to use OF first to put it on CD to get use of your CDR from 4p
inland flame
You send Ava for a second OF when the OF dot falls off basically
oblique trail
The opener assuming Dancing Blades would then look like
Reck + Charge -> Rampage -> OF -> Spear/Roar -> BB -> Ramp -> Avatar -> BB -> Ramp and so on
valid moon
Awesome! I get it, thanks guys
oblique trail
With Titanic Rage the Reck + Charge isn't necessary to Enrage however, so you can pop Reck with OF there
Or simply just keep doing Reck + Charge to stay in the habit
lone locust
Just wondering the right way to do the rotation with 4 set, is Rek+Charge+Odyn's+Ramp+BB+Ramp+BB+Ramp+BB Spear+Avatar+Ramp+BB+Ramp+BB+Ramp+BB?
lone locust
Ahh dident see
valid moon
So the BT buff (3) stacks up to 6? So EVEN if you don’t use the whole 3 BT and you use Avatar getting 3 more it keeps stacking up to 6?
oblique trail
Correct
valid moon
Nice, Ty!
lone locust
So the 3 first BB i dont have to spend with insta before Spear+Avatar?
oblique trail
No, you want to use Spear after you use OF so that your empowered BBs from the 2p is buffed by Spear as well
You get Avatar from using OF so you wont have to worry about that
inland flame
Regardless the point that you don't have to spend your first three before you Ava stands
lone locust
That made it a lot easier, cause i have used the 3 BB first then the second set. Like a 2 part rotation kinda thing
oblique trail
All you want to do is track your Avatar buff, and use your actual Avatar just as your Avatar from OF runs out
lone locust
Aye, thanks for the help 🙂
noble elm
On larodar is it worth holding cds for a few seconds until the first adds spawn?
Grand scheme it doesn’t matter I suppose but if you’re trying to greedlord
oblique trail
Just looking on Lorrgs it looks like it's kinda split between people popping on pull or holding 10~ seconds
At least reck and OF
Then hold Avatar + Roar for adds
clever path
All you want to do is track your Avatar buff, and use your actual Avatar just as...
So DBs isnt worth holding for?
oblique trail
No, it's not what you're playing around
clever path
Cooling, less WA buff tracking
obsidian jackal
if you don't have rage for Rampage, Bloodbath not up and Furious Bloodthirst buf...
Seems reasonable
oblique trail
You just don't want to clip the OF bleed, while also making sure you have 100% uptime of Avatar during your CD window