fury

[red peak]

o7 Hi all, back after TBC..... (yes a 16 year break) Fury has changed a little. lol

[noble elm]

Bm hunter currently has 100% uptime, 100% mobility and a rotation with 3 buttons

[dense elbow]

Fury overall in m+ ain't bad tho, so don't doom ppl

[dense elbow]

Just a bit

[noble elm]

Meanwhile we’re out here at 90apm and if we get out of melee our dps plummets

[outer bluff]

Fury in M+ is fun

I outdamage everyone, most times

In raids, no shot I ever beat hunters

[forest rose]

well they are ranged bro

[red peak]

Yes - really struggling to get high on DPS meters despite my reasonable gear. Just not bringing enough skill to the table

[dense elbow]

In my raid I am top DPS, and it makes me sad

[forest rose]

its not called world of rangedcraft for nothing

[outer bluff]

I'm second

I feel you

[dense elbow]

🫂

[forest rose]

[noble elm]

Nah I mained a hunter for shadowlands because my gross guild forced me to - hunter in particular is just dumb

[outer bluff]

Only person ahead of me is a Hunter

[worldly shard]

😦

[oblique trail]

Shouldn't have died

[lavish grove]

We've 5 hunters in heroic

[outer bluff]

We have 2 but one is not geared lmao

[solemn plover]

hi

[oblique trail]

hi

[solemn plover]

can u dm me the fury ST opener

[noble elm]

It’s in the pins

[dense elbow]

Looks about right

[outer bluff]

Hol up

[solemn plover]

Do i charge before Garrote?

[olive wraith]

Omg that’s so wrong

[noble elm]

Step 1 equip daggers

[olive wraith]

Should be 3 shreds before kill command

[warm crag]

which gcd do i call for pi

kingsbane?

[dense elbow]

Perma PI

[solemn plover]

you call for PI 2 minutes before pull

to get it again at start of fight

[dense elbow]

Make a rotation cast WA, that pokes them in turn

[red peak]

Just a quick question, is the Raid Cleave and ST builds in the class guide exactly the same, or am I insane

[dense elbow]

Diff is meatcleaver or no meatcleaver

[outer bluff]

Only thing that changes is that it trades some execute talents for Meat Cleaver

[red peak]

Ok thats weird, I think the codes in the guide were actually the same

[dense elbow]

Ya just drop cleaver for a bit more ST dam, hey, even if you forget, it won't really matter

[outer bluff]

Yeah, the AoE build still does some decent ST

[tired jungle]

quick question: always trust sims or just stack mast/vers?

[outer bluff]

Trust sims

[red peak]

Tbh Im just struggling with the class in general. Get outdpsed a lot and cant seem to well, despite simming well over my acheived DPS

[spare otter]

most classes have us beat tbh

[oblique trail]

If you haven't played since TBC then it's to be expected, but some specs atm just do quite a lot more damage than the rest

[past pivot]

Trust sims but if in doubt, can post them here. A bad sim canoffer bad advice

[oblique trail]

Playing more and getting used to the spec will eventually get you closer and closer to other people

[outer bluff]

The problem with the sim and why it's hard to hit is... it takes the PERFECT rng for all your abilities, afaik

[past pivot]

All classes and specs are like that. Just pretend it's a new game and forget everything you used to know

[oblique trail]

it doesn't

[outer bluff]

I was always under the impression it did

[oblique trail]

Sims give you the average over thousands of iterations

If it took the perfect RNG then sims would be incredibly inflated

[dense elbow]

Avg is perfect RNG, as it is as close to non-rng as possible no?

Or ya mean best results?

[spare otter]

holy

[silent vault]

Looking the APL, there is one thing I dont really understand, on this line:

execute,if=buff.enrage.up&!buff.furious_bloodthirst.up&buff.ashen_juggernaut.up|buff.sudden_death.remains<=gcd&(target.health.pct>35&talent.massacre|target.health.pct>20)

The last part it I suppsoe is meant to say if there is less than 1 gcd remaining on sudden death, use execute if the target is not in execute range - however since the condition target.health.pct>20 is not combined with not having massacre its just always going to take presecence over the over 35% massacre part?

[spare otter]

i just realised i sim so much better with double wafting devotion

[clever path]

it does the average, so imagine a pull with all the crits, and then the pull with no crits

[dense elbow]

100% crit and proc RNG would be funny sims

Play 1% crit = best value

[outer bluff]

Lmao

[tired jungle]

i am just simming with raidbots thats okay right?

[dense elbow]

Yep, 1t and 5min, or 5t and 5 min

[clever path]

has anyone else noticed an uptake in mastery? like my 983 mastery ring from last season is beating out new rings, do I just have to hold out for like the DHT ring?

[oblique trail]

Uptake in mastery?

Mastery has always been great what

[dense elbow]

It is all about your gear overall. The value of your gear didn't change, only context around it. Trust sims

[olive wraith]

My guess is as you’re gearing you’re losing mastery on new pieces

[dense elbow]

Rings/neck in particular takes more ilvl to make suboptimal stats better, as there is no str

So often, you will use lower ilvl ones for a while

[worldly shard]

2nd spark is from chapter2?

[outer bluff]

Exactly

I have a 424 Torc that has my right stats that was a 1.5% increase from my 441 neck with shit stats

[past pivot]

Was that with adding extra sockets and gems to the 441 neck as well?

[outer bluff]

Yes

I was losing out on so much mastery

[warm crag]

no it aint what

[oblique trail]

1.5% is a lot?

Variance is like 0.1%

[outer bluff]

Huh?

That's a HUGE increase

[past pivot]

n/m, was missing a decimal point.

[dense elbow]

Happens

OF baseline 51% buff is correct tho, use it as reference

[outer bluff]

And verse has started simming higher than haste for me so

[dense elbow]

Vers been my best stat for ages, but it won't trick me. Crit is more fun

[outer bluff]

Lmao

[past pivot]

Get the Porcelain Crab for low Mastery issues.

[outer bluff]

I have 55%

[tidal kindle]

Crab + mirror, mirror only when crab is procced

https://tenor.com/view/cook-chef-wok-saute-cooking-food-gif-16993886

[dense elbow]

[oblique trail]

Liveleak

(the cooking goes bad and burns the restaurant down)

ergo

we do not let garms cook

[outer bluff]

I have Coiled Serpent and Signet

[dense elbow]

Cook was fire, we let Garms cook

[mossy fox]

good tossing tho

thats a lotta weight to toss like that

[outer bluff]

True

[fallow fossil]

!smf

[thorny peak]

@oblique trail is that what happens damn

[warm crag]

@oblique trail is that what happens damn

[clever path]

meow

[dense elbow]

[covert void]

what build for heroic fyrakk on fury? I mean, there's adds but do we get a lot of value from that overall. just got to him so.

[past pivot]

Our ST and MT profiles are very similar so can probably go either way without losing too much. But a lot will depend on what your group needs to prioritize.

[covert void]

Yeah i guess it depends if they split groups and pull stuff together properly.

[oblique trail]

This is a quick sim basically illustrating the difference in DPS between taking the Exe nodes compared to WW

Essentially

The difference is tiny

(Current gear is Spear + WW)

So going Dancing Blades with WW talents is the best setup for Fyrakk

Since you still will have prolonged cleave on the Colossi and Souls

[lapis yoke]

titanic rage is a pad talent lets be honest

the difference between WW and exe talents is significantly smaller than the ST difference between dancing blades and titanic rage

[loud sigil]

In execute with 4p what's the priority between BB/rampage/execute?
Do I execute on cd even if it overcaps rage or do I just use it to fill in gcd gaps when alternating rampage/BB

[olive wraith]

For ST?

[marble schooner]

damn running the same rotation for 5 tiers straight and then having to chane it up is doing numbers on my tiny warrior brain

[loud sigil]

Yes ST

[olive wraith]

Should be able to just ramp-bb-ex

If you don’t have rage bt after ex

[loud sigil]

Yeah but if I do have the rage after BB do I execute or do i ramp-bb again

[misty helm]

Warrior have brain, no me zug zug!!!

[olive wraith]

Oh my b. Execute

For AJ stacks

[desert cloud]

Tbh fury parses feels so dependant on luck

If u proc reck on ramp u get 100

[olive wraith]

Aren’t all parses luck

Well to some degree I mean

Execution obv matters

[desert cloud]

I see on parses some people literally never use execute

The mcwarrior guy that has 100 on gnarlroot pressed execute 5 times

The whole fight

[olive wraith]

Does he have wind fury totem

[desert cloud]

Idk

Probably

[misty helm]

Enh shaman is a game changer

[olive wraith]

That’s probably huge factor

I’m assuming aoe talents so no AJ

[desert cloud]

My raid doesn’t have one 😦

[olive wraith]

But still why wouldn’t you press ex

[loud sigil]

Whats an enhancement

[olive wraith]

I only pug so I feel you

[desert cloud]

Enhancement are like bitches

U never get those

[loud sigil]

Damn

[lavish grove]

Damn

[desert cloud]

Top 10 maidenless eu montage

[misty helm]

Unless ur playing one then theres atleast 99 in queue

[desert cloud]

I watch videos of enhancement shamans doing 300k overall

I inv one to my +22 they end up doing tank dmmg on every pull

And at the end he says ty for carry

[misty helm]

LOL and ZERO interrupts

[lavish grove]

At least he thanked you

[desert cloud]

How tf do u fail a 4 buttons rotation

I mean some fury warriors fail a 2 button rotation but still

[lavish grove]

If I understand correctly new enha tier set requires good positioning of mobs to do damage

Might be an issue

[olive wraith]

Enh is 4 buttons?

[loud sigil]

I fail 1 button rotations

[desert cloud]

Yes

The electric blast the fire blast frost shock and that ifnite ability plus their version of ww

[olive wraith]

Thought they were most keybinds for dps

[desert cloud]

I don’t know their names but i know how they look like

[desert cloud]

That’s elemental

And sub

Enhancement is a more random fury warrior with magic

U refresh their version of ww and use ST abilities

[clever path]

what is our worst tier piece for stats?

[desert cloud]

Legs

[olive wraith]

But optimize later

[candid oasis]

Why does slam exists? Playing my fury alt today, it sucks to cast slam

[olive wraith]

4p>stats

Why does it suck

[desert cloud]

When u don’t get enough fury

And do not have sudden death procs

And while waiting for Bloodthirst

[clever path]

i have the 4P. looking to see if i need to change with the catalyst we get next week

[desert cloud]

U use it in between

[loud sigil]

See 2nd pin

[restive peak]

It's not diff than any other filler any other season, people have a weird slam hate

[lavish grove]

Helmet is worse?

[clever path]

all that mastery and crit?

[desert cloud]

Helmet gives crit and mastery

Why would it be worse for fury

[clever path]

over 600 mastery on the helmet, big stat

[olive wraith]

This looks like more than 4 buttons

[dense elbow]

That is one auto hotkey macro

[lavish grove]

Kinda simple

[desert cloud]

Primordial and feral and totem and ice strike aren’t rotational buttons

Those are cds

It’s like if u count avatar and roar and reck into rota

If u press 3 buttons once every 2 mins or 1.5 or even 40 secs

[olive wraith]

Isn’t pwave 45 seconds

[desert cloud]

It ain’t that hard

[verbal kindle]

What happens with your tier set in retail if you swap from fury to prot for instance? Does the tier set bonus change accordingly?

[dense elbow]

Yep

[desert cloud]

Yep dr mike

[dense elbow]

It seaps

[desert cloud]

Seaps indeed

That’s a medical term

[dense elbow]

Google it for a friend of mine

[verbal kindle]

Thanks fellas if you need a booster covid vaccine just holla

[olive wraith]

Can you write me some fmla docs

[plucky egret]

Even less with 4 pc

[olive wraith]

And ice strike is 15s

How is that not rotational

[paper ivy]

what are the main statts for single target?

mastery vers crit haste?

[desert cloud]

I’l holla at u later

[covert blaze]

your pfp looks like a stock photo (if that's you that's a compliment 100%)

[sullen tendon]

That can get you banned though

[desert cloud]

I need my 8’th dose

[arctic salmon]

bro thats the rock

[olive wraith]

So ya I don’t think you can call enh 4 button rotation. Just saying

[dense elbow]

Me writing 'hi' in chat can get me banned

[covert blaze]

i didn't reply to zel lil bro

[arctic salmon]

but you did

[desert cloud]

Naah

[sullen tendon]

You’re gonna set off bot detection if you use auto hot key

[desert cloud]

It is 5 rotational buttons i guess

Is that hard tho

[sullen tendon]

Any sort of external program running scripts is going to get you banned eventually

[desert cloud]

That ain’t shit

[dense elbow]

Eventually I will stop playing WoW

[olive wraith]

I mean I count 9

But okay

[sullen tendon]

Also I will still kick faster than you even with your kick bot

[dense elbow]

Doubt it

[covert blaze]

enh is on the harder side of specs, for sure

[lavish grove]

He did not

[dense elbow]

No way it is harder than fury holding for o.2 sec

[lavish grove]

[sullen tendon]

Enh was better in legion when you just spammed stormstrike

Let elemental bring elemental and enh be enh

[lavish grove]

That was boring spec

But sometimes funny

[sullen tendon]

In my view enh is just elemental without the summons now

[heavy sparrow]

Just use storm build and it's very similar to the legion version

[lavish grove]

Imo ele is way cooler thematically

[heavy sparrow]

You're literally complaining just for the sake of it

[sullen tendon]

It is

[heavy sparrow]

Enhance is a great spec

[sullen tendon]

Ele sticks to its theme

[desert cloud]

I got banned 2 weeks for a kitchen joke in elwynn forest

[dense elbow]

deservedly so

[misty helm]

"More buttons = harder"

[sullen tendon]

Enh should be about maintaining weapon buffs and enhancing your weapons. Now summoning wolves and spamming elemental spells like chain lightning and elemental fury and frost shock.

[olive wraith]

I mean more buttons adds difficulty

You can’t argue it doesn’t lol

[dense elbow]

I am in camp, holding is harder than spamming

Pushing buttons is easy, to stop is hard

[desert cloud]

I mean if that matter then sub is a fucking mystical level of difficulty

[lavish grove]

Fan/powder gaming

[desert cloud]

I mean it is unbelievably hard

[sullen tendon]

The only enhancements you do in ehnacement spec is flame tongue weapon and the frost weapon

[desert cloud]

U’d do 0 dmmg if u only spammed that

They have the craziest opener in the game

[sullen tendon]

Wind fury is basically a passive at this point

[desert cloud]

I swear they don’t use it in keys

[dense elbow]

Wind fury has been an activate on proc effect?

[olive wraith]

Most don’t

[desert cloud]

I never get that buff when i inv them in m+

[desert cloud]

It’s an attack speed totem

[sullen tendon]

It was fun in shadowlands with the ledge Darcy

[misty helm]

Wind Fury totem is a myth

[sullen tendon]

Legendary

[lavish grove]

Yea, they usually don't run wft

[olive wraith]

Probably not worth to talent windfury when pugging

[sullen tendon]

Totem isn’t an ability though it’s just a party buff

[olive wraith]

If you had an all melee team maybe

[sullen tendon]

In shadowlands it actually did something to your gameplay

[lavish grove]

Agree

[desert cloud]

Yeah we had a triple melee comp

But lil blud didn’t use it

[olive wraith]

Which melee

[desert cloud]

Such a skibiddi toilet moment

[desert cloud]

What class do u think i play

• a paladin

[olive wraith]

Idk this coulda been s1

[desert cloud]

Paladins are literally casters at this point tho

I see them attacking the adds from dung entrance

[olive wraith]

Ya I don’t think pally melee is that big afaik

[forest owl]

bm such a joke now, i used to beat this guy quite a lot s2 now i cant get close

[olive wraith]

And fury prior to this season didn’t benefit that much from wtf I think

[desert cloud]

Skill issue ngl

[desert cloud]

It was a 5k dps upgrade last season wdym

[forest owl]

need to smash buttons harder i guess

[desert cloud]

What dung is this

Numbers look inflated

[lavish grove]

It was one of the lowest value among melee

[forest owl]

brh

[desert cloud]

BRH or throne

Yea

Inflated numbers

U shouldn’t look at overall while doing those 2 keys

[forest owl]

my point was the dps difference is always the same, fuck the dungeon

[desert cloud]

Cuz it ain’t fair

[forest owl]

but thats bm regardless key

[desert cloud]

Well i did 380k in throne

I destroyed the octopopus

[chrome plover]

doesnt matter when it's compared against other numbers in the same dungeon?

[dense elbow]

Have ppl die before nuke phase, then end it solo for big dps

[forest owl]

yeah everyones dmg is inflated, its not just hunter

[desert cloud]

Hold cds until octopapa and see how big of a diff it’ll make

[olive wraith]

Tank goes to top dps

[desert cloud]

I think fury can reach 1 million on that phase

[chrome plover]

so can every other class

[forest owl]

i had 11m crit BBs on octo few runs ago so its not unimaginable

[desert cloud]

It’s the funnest part ngl

[lavish grove]

You will beat them when you get legendary

[vague copper]

Heared of this game in game.. Its under Dungeons & Raids > Premade groups > Dungeons.. You click every group there is in M+ section just to wait that the timer runs out or a red text declined pops up.. Somtimes it sais full asewell.. Fun as hell..

Inb4runyourownkey FU

[lavish grove]

[desert cloud]

I applied to a couple twenties and i got accepted

It was the happiest day of my life

[vague copper]

:).

3800 io and 489 ilvl?

[desert cloud]

Especially when they say ty for carry for doing sounle their smmg

[chrome plover]

im just doing 17-19 ataldazar and no waiting for me

[desert cloud]

472 timed all keys on 20 first week

[lavish grove]

[desert cloud]

Besides murozanda

[vague copper]

In pugs?

[desert cloud]

U just gotta type 4set btw

And smh they accept

[vague copper]

Yeah I do

[desert cloud]

Ngl i abused friend week 1

And week 2 i was able to pug

[vague copper]

mm

I try to get inside 15 and nop..

[desert cloud]

Also try to apply to keys that the owner has low io or ilvl they usually accept

[vague copper]

14-16 that is

[desert cloud]

Unless they are french

Or portugal

Then u should add them to ignore list

[vague copper]

German never invites 😄

[olive wraith]

Play prot to inflate io

[desert cloud]

I played vengeance

Now i hate prot cuz no silence sigil

Our only silence is on 1.5min cd aoe taunt talent

Fuxking avatar has a lower cd

[olive wraith]

We have spell block at least

Could be worse could be guardian

[desert cloud]

and most bosses use a spell once every 1 min

💀

So u get to block 1 thing

Gnarlroot

Is impossible

I have to die atleast once

[vague copper]

!!!!!

[desert cloud]

Gz

[vague copper]

Took 35 min spaming

[desert cloud]

Gz

[chrome plover]

[olive wraith]

Gnarlroot?

You mean the dht tree?

[glass kelp]

470 ilvl is considered as high ? or mid

[cunning moth]

do you sim dungeon slice for m+ or is other sim better ?

[unreal onyx]

I use PW 5T 5min

[lavish grove]

This dude owns, yea

Insane damage

[dusk ledge]

Hey, im new to Fury, anyone got a second to chat ? 😄

[past pivot]

Ask away in the channel

[rotund steppe]

dude

[dusk ledge]

Well, im just curious to know if Odyn's fury activates something on the next bloodthirsts, since some of my BT does 320k

ive got 4set

[rotund steppe]

oh read the tier set

[dusk ledge]

ususally tank so

[unreal onyx]

tooltip explains it

[dusk ledge]

those next 3

is there a timer or?

[unreal onyx]

at least it should

[rotund steppe]

ye

20 secs

[dusk ledge]

right so opener is just to get those 3 spread to as many targets as i can

[rotund steppe]

doesnt spread

[dusk ledge]

i feel like sometimes my opener just auto does insane dmg even if i spread it or not

[rotund steppe]

ST only

[dusk ledge]

right

so WW doesn't matter on those 3

[rotund steppe]

not really

but since u always have meat cleaver up

[dusk ledge]

well not if i run with dancing blades? i want it up then i guess

ah well i mean i suppose i got the main points, just feel like i might be missing something which would increase my dmg quite some

[clever belfry]

Yes

[rotund steppe]

i mean in m+ u hae meat cleaer

[dusk ledge]

yy i specc'd it ofc

but this week i run with dancing blades instead of titanic rage

ah well thanks mby ill be back later with more dumb questions 😄

[rotund steppe]

i mean you can run with db but for the sake of my sanity i run with titanic rage lmao

[dusk ledge]

just im simming 240k and can't really do anywhere near that, eventually ill learn it i hope

[rotund steppe]

feel free to ask and follow the guide in wowhead

[dusk ledge]

y thanks

[desert cloud]

Yea

They look alike

I think i have a crush on u

[latent matrix]

Hey guys, I have a couple of questions for better warriors than me. I sometimes run out of rage and don't have anything to press, am I doing something wrong or does it happens ? And the followup question, when I press OF and get the T31 buff what do I do if the above mentioned situation happens ? Do I press BT with the buff instead of BB ? Feels wrong, I wait it out but I might be losing dps over the course of a fight

[subtle lagoon]

I have found that you'd want to weave in bloodthirst after every other gcd to avoid that, sometimes even if you slam, whirlwind or execute and you get rampage - you still aren't rage capped and you should cast bloodthirst before going for the rampage

Plus with 4 set you get chance at OF cdr even with bloodthirst

[desert cloud]

If u have no slam no BT and no exec procs above 35% or whatever % it was then it’s normal downtime

Even sims account for that

If u sim and look at ability breakdown there is a downtime

[subtle lagoon]

That can happen as well

[desert cloud]

But it’s rare doesn’t happen much especially in m+

Cuz u can press ww for rage aswel

Even in st u can if u have none of the above

[latent matrix]

Thank you both, I'll try to cap rage out of Reck before Rampage if I'm still in Enrage, should make a difference

In m+ I rarely run out of buttons

[desert cloud]

Don’t track rage just press whatever shines and u should be able to parse 97

[latent matrix]

I need 4p for that I think :p

[desert cloud]

Yea if u don’t have 4p then there will be a lot of downtime

U should have mentioned that

[subtle lagoon]

2p is ass cheeks

[desert cloud]

Cuz u don’f get the Odyn’s reduced cd

[lavish grove]

Even w/o 4p there's not much downtime

[olive wraith]

I mean we also ww in st fwiw

2p is fine

[outer bluff]

I get 4p next week

[olive wraith]

I’m running it and it feels good

[desert cloud]

Yea if no slam no bt no exec then ww

[valid drum]

But like, we just ignore rage overcap to BB?

[summer quail]

yes

[kindred grail]

Yo guys just discorvered Spell queue window any recommendations on where i should set hit for Fury big haste ?

[rotund steppe]

i wonder

[valid drum]

Years and years conditioning myself to not cap on rage, bruh, that's though on my zug brain

[rotund steppe]

guys if i have the OF buff but i ran out of cds

like i used bb/slam/bb/ww

then i have the buff should i bt or wait for slamm

[valid drum]

If you haven't pulled enough rage by then, you should have bt ready again

Just bt as much as possible

[warm crag]

probably makes no real difference but people that care recommend your ms + 100

[midnight cairn]

Here, have a little augment rune macro:

#showtooltip
/cast Battle Shout
/use Dreambound Augment Rune```

[rotund steppe]

even with the tier buff?

[valid drum]

Honestly, I'm yet to be in a situation where I've used 4 skills and still can't rampage

[rotund steppe]

idk sometimes happens to me

so i have 2 set

so i have 1 OF without reck

i use ramp/bt/slam/ramp/bt/ww then i run out of stuff

i should use ramp but not enough rage

[subtle lagoon]

Maybe cast bt after that slam

them ramp and bb

should also be able to bt after ww

Moral of the story, cast more bt

[uneven plaza]

Just wiped on+21 on Iridikron DPS check with 0.5% remaining

hows ur day going?

[kindred grail]

Ty i heard that i tried way lower too 10+my ms literaly no spell queuing is bad lol

[rotund steppe]

is that possible?

[compact knot]

i think he means like

there was only 0.5% left until boss bitched out

[rotund steppe]

no no i mean the wipe

never seen a wipe in that boss

[compact knot]

iridikron can fuck if healer isnt ready

[rotund steppe]

healer fault

[compact knot]

tbh kinda

healer fault if you die last phase and used every defensive

[olive wraith]

Try to bt every other gcd

Unless >110 rage

[rotund steppe]

i feel that fight its could be eternal as long as the healers heals chromie

[rotund steppe]

bold of u to think that i read numbers

[compact knot]

i just push buttons

[nimble basin]

Button light up I slam face on keyboard

[bleak canopy]

uhm, got second gorehowl and though i can finally retire my old askandur, but its fucking unique-equipped

this game

[compact knot]

blackrookhold

slurp

[bleak canopy]

at this point i take whatever i get..

[warm plinth]

does anyone know what is actually meant by "further increased by critical strikes", numerically speaking?

because when I check what this trinket is doing in logs it's just not making any sense to me

[loud sigil]

I'm guessing that assuming you never crit while the buff is up, it will deal a total of 262k. If you do crit then the crit damage doesn't count towards the cap, therefore making the total damage for that buff larger

[somber elk]

So we bt before rampage sometimes?

[late arch]

Question, what stats are the ones that are occupied to play the Warrior with the new Tier?

[olive wraith]

Almost always outside of cd

When rek is up you Can chain ramp -bb

[compact knot]

helm - large mastery small crit
shoulders - large crit small haste
chest - large haste small mastery
gloves - large vers small haste
legs - large haste small vers
@late arch

can check in game too, adventure guide -> items sets -> top one

[desert cloud]

eyo did anyone test the neck from kazzak

it's apprently broken for some classes

[compact knot]

i simmed it

[oblique trail]

It's not great for Fury

[compact knot]

was like a 400 dps gain from my 463 neck

its not that good

[forest rose]

400 dps is 400 dps

[oblique trail]

The stats are meh, the ilvl is low, and you can get way better necks in general from just doing M+

[compact knot]

id rather spend the time doing the world boss to get the 1.1k dps gain from dht

lol

the rogue in my guild farming it every day and hasnt gotten it yet

bad rng

[oblique trail]

Compared to Fury though, those are bis stats for Outlaw

And they attack faster

[compact knot]

he said that neck was barely under mythic tindral neck 4/4

so shit probably cranks

[inland flame]

first pull on heroic gnarlroot with new build, only 2p, and i get this

stuff trucks

[timber pike]

Heroic gnarlroot is so good for my dps ego

[plucky ice]

bro can they just kill the boss its boring

[analog charm]

so according to Simulationcraft, the opener uses reck + odyn's then avatar shortly after a rampage or two (generalizing) -- does that sound about right? We shouldn't be macroing av / reck / spear together on ST?

[brittle crow]

so it's prob a huge gain from my 447 neck

will farm

[compact knot]

yes

but less than a 463 dht nect

lol

[modest condor]

it's a 1.5% gain over my current neck but weaker than some dungeon necks at 483

[brittle crow]

my brother in christ i have gotten 1 dungeon item to date

my luck is not good enough to target specific items

[modest condor]

time to do more dungeons

[analog charm]

dude I feel this so much

[compact knot]

i mean your free to go kill the boss one time a day

it isnt that time consuming

[subtle lagoon]

I need to replace my 463 shit weapons

[somber elk]

Isnt the neck from brh nice ?

[compact knot]

it depends on what stats you need

but yeah its good

[dense elbow]

Not sure what influencer to thank, but the insta Fury DPS invites to ToT is very welcome

[clever path]

meow

[valid moon]

with new tier do we prio rampage or bt? I mean, if I have the 2 available which one I push?

[dense elbow]

Bt, X, bt

[valid moon]

ok, so BT over all

Ty!

[dense elbow]

more or less

[dense elbow]

[serene moat]

BB>ramp>exe>bt>slam>ww
Execute could become higher Prio than ramp depending on talents and fights

[next canopy]

Dang - Gnarlroot is such a fun fury fight? Does anything else play so perfect for fury this raid?

[serene moat]

he's best, yeah

[river reef]

Lets sub you in, champion go kill it

[hardy cargo]

tindral p fkn good

[next canopy]

I’ve only killed smolderon and Gnarlroot. Night and day Hahaa

I’m mashing in T30 set parsing 80s haha

[civic schooner]

should i be swapping to storm of swords talents even without the tier set?

or still use old season with the set bonus

[brittle crow]

bloodbath if it's up, ramp if it's not

bloodbath > ramp > bloodthirst

[serene moat]

Play s2 build until t31 2p at least. Some day change tier and talents when you get 4p

[civic schooner]

k thanks

[past pivot]

why would you swap to the new tier talents without the new tier? Stay with t30 talents with t30. If you fo 2p+2p, then you can go t31 talents, or play Arms until T31

[light stump]

fastest way to get a bunch of flightstones?

[past pivot]

Plumber addon and Emerald dream.

[brittle crow]

man idk how u guys need flightstones im over capping on em

[loud sigil]

I got a weapon from raid and full sent upgrades on it, cost me 1850 flightstones

I'm now broke

[keen kindle]

their the lucky bastards who actually get gear regularly lmao

[light stump]

just came back, got lvl 70 boost, but have no tier.

[keen kindle]

Go do dream surges and time rifts

you'll have abberus 4 pc in like 2 hours

take the gear you get from dream surges and turn it into abberus tier

Then upgrade it to 450

Abberus is free

[compact knot]

you dont need

[young swan]

u have unlimited charges for previous tier

[compact knot]

^

[keen kindle]

Not current tier's, just abberus's

Not having tier is just a huge loss

[serene moat]

Critcake doing some weird prio shit in his rise 24 video. He only prios ramp over bt or exe if he'd overcap rage else.

[young swan]

that makes sense

its the way we used to play before enrage uptime was a joke

[past pivot]

I'd just do Emerald Dream and get into LFR asap and work on t31

[serene moat]

True

[young swan]

it kinda still is but you have to think a little bit if you want to min max

[keen kindle]

Are you really gonna waste a cata charge on some random ass vet gear?

[young swan]

its definitely advisable to go back and get t30

[compact knot]

450 last seasons tier is still decent

[young swan]

ur gonna be a lot worse off without it

thats for sure

[compact knot]

2p2p is good in raid, aberuss 4p is good

in m+

aberuss 4p just good in general

[past pivot]

No but you can get tier from LFR without using Catalyst.

[keen kindle]

abberus 4pc for fury is just awesome

[brittle crow]

ik critcake is critcake but idk if that's right or not tbh

[young swan]

yeah until u try to do ST

[keen kindle]

Idk man I'd rather just spend 2 hours doing rares and shit

[young swan]

then its not so good

[brittle crow]

idk why you'd press bt if you have the option to ramp bb

pooling rage helps prevent downtime ig

[compact knot]

2p2p good st ONG

[young swan]

pooling rage + spending a gcd on something without a "long" cd

[brittle crow]

but less bb casts

[rotund steppe]

pooling rage is god

[brittle crow]

is it worth?

[rotund steppe]

yeah

less downtime

[clear crescent]

what do you prefere for m+ [Dancing Blades] or [Titanic Rage] ?

[brittle crow]

alright ill start doing actual rage management

[clear crescent]

with 4 set

[compact knot]

dancing blades on tyrannical weeks, titanic rage on fortified weeks

imo

[serene moat]

Well, his opener on Tyr is trange anyway. Charge > Reck > OF > ramp
Since he talents dancing blades, this OF is not enraged. That doesn't make any sense.

[subtle lagoon]

Sometimes you won't overcap rage even when rampage is available and you bt

[keen kindle]

Might've been a mistake

[young swan]

you are right that doesnt make sense

[keen kindle]

🤷‍♀️

[clear crescent]

is it wort getting fresh meat

[keen kindle]

Even top players press their buttons wrong sometimes

[young swan]

Im actually not sure u even need DB for tyr weeks

[rotund steppe]

we already enraged 99%% of time

[young swan]

maybe if ur doing like DHT and need the prio dam for bear

but we have so much ST at a baseline its almost overkill

[rotund steppe]

u guys dont skip bear?

[compact knot]

i still have rank 1 council parse and i just spammed the buttons with no thought behind them

lul

[clear crescent]

cheer skåål

[compact knot]

council probably a bad fight though, depends on if your tnks are good or not

[young swan]

idk, dont need to skip it at mythic raider io key levels

(2500)

[brittle crow]

fury good baseline st now?

[compact knot]

DB feels really good in dungeons still

[brittle crow]

it's a christmas miracle

[rotund steppe]

i skip it always lmao

[young swan]

only with 4p

[compact knot]

mobs die hella

[young swan]

well like

its better ST than aoe

[rotund steppe]

yeah but using another gcd for ww its like

[compact knot]

maybe its just that i run DH/FURY/AUG

soi dont have to worry about aoe

[brittle crow]

idk why you'd run db in m+

[young swan]

prio damage

[compact knot]

on tyrannical

[young swan]

pretty much the only reason

[rotund steppe]

tyr week

[brittle crow]

but i dont wanna press whirlwind

:(

[compact knot]

if you have a good dh you can probably run DB

[brittle crow]

prio damage is for lesser classes

[compact knot]

dh just broken as fuck

[sullen dove]

can you macro like, dropdown abilities

[rotund steppe]

dh gonna get the nerf hammer through the ass

[brittle crow]

dragonriding?

[sullen dove]

like portals

[brittle crow]

dh either broken or ass no in-between

[sullen dove]

if i do /cast Hero's Path: etc, it doesnt work

[compact knot]

only after RWF

prob

[rotund steppe]

nah dh broken, dh players are 75% ass

[serene moat]

Crit said db simed for 8k st dps gain

[brittle crow]

no i mean historically

[young swan]

just get a weakaura for the portal buttons

[rotund steppe]

oh true

[young swan]

puts them on the mythic dungeon page

[ionic hemlock]

Just finally pugged a heroic fyrak, feelsgudman

[brittle crow]

at any given point dh is either good or trash

[young swan]

its epic

[compact knot]

db is a super good talent

[sullen dove]

what called

[compact knot]

shi cranks

[young swan]

just search dungeon portals on wago

think i use the first one

[rotund steppe]

wot link

https://wago.io/AxN3RkMOG ?

[young swan]

yeah

[serene moat]

Did delete mine at start of s2, cause it doesn't work anymore. Which one do u use?

[young swan]

the one that just got linked

[serene moat]

Ty

[sullen dove]

i made macros for individual dungeons in s1 but felt annoying to continue to do

[light stump]

Can I use t30 talents if I have 0 tier (new char)

[keen kindle]

yes

[compact knot]

yeah

[keen kindle]

but go get t30

[rotund steppe]

get thosoe 450 peices

[compact knot]

t30 is free

[light stump]

i don't have the flightstones 🙂

i have both pieces, but no flightstones to upgrade

[charred flint]

whatyu talking about

[keen kindle]

Just farm the emerald dream

Do emerald bounty and get em

[light stump]

M+ won't give flightstones?

[light stump]

what's that? can't find on google

[keen kindle]

M+ does

But it's inefficent compared to flying around the emerald dream and farming the seeds

The flowers give like 10-20 each and you can do them on mass

It is really really boring as fuck, but it's the most efficent way to get FS

[clear crescent]

one more qeustion with dancing blades do i use avatar after the odins dot is gone or hold it more?

[rotund steppe]

same stuff

avatar 4 secs after qf

OF*

[light stump]

Perfect will do thanks

[clear crescent]

🫡

[light stump]

So I farm those seeds and then I need to contribute them somewhere?

[rotund steppe]

plant them

or use them in other peoples plants

i always plant 5 greens

[celest sierra]

i tried doing a raging blow build with ravenger and odyins fury + spear etc and stuff... raging blow is so bad now

[compact knot]

well yeah

our tier wants us to push bt and bb

lol

[tardy lark]

Nothing about it changed since last tier lol

[celest sierra]

its insane how they completely forced us out of it tho

[tardy lark]

That’s what tier sets do. Rather have that than be stuck in what we had last tier for 2 more tiers

[compact knot]

what we have now doesnt even feel that bad

tbh

[gilded pawn]

Last tier didn’t tell us to press rb

Nor the tier before that

Rb was just better than bt until this tier

[keen kindle]

Honestly feels like fury got massacured this tier

[gilded pawn]

But it didn’t

[compact knot]

and yet its the best fury has been

atleast in raid

its still going up too

[gilded pawn]

And you can’t say that when arms is basically carried by the 8% aura

[tardy lark]

Arms got gameplay fix taken away and got aura buff in return

[gilded pawn]

Arms gameplay went from ignoring op, to using a defensive for dps, to ignoring rage

[valid moon]

Ty!

[olive wraith]

Anger anni bad. Why slam. Fury slow qq

Oh wait I forgot

Wah no utility can’t even take shockwave

[plucky ice]

another nerf, soon lege

[brittle crow]

we take shockwave in the m+ build wym

[brittle crow]

u can make an argument to send bt over ramp if u won't overcap tho

[olive wraith]

I’m just repeating all the complaints people have

[brittle crow]

that's what critcake does

apparently

[brittle crow]

ic

[olive wraith]

It’s better to cast bt before ramp if you’re under 110 rage

[thick niche]

that's what everyone does

[olive wraith]

Well that’s what everyone should do

[heady saffron]

lol

soon!

[olive wraith]

What a bad DH

[sullen tendon]

2pc 2pc even

[olive wraith]

What’s he even doing

[young swan]

surely this wont cause controversy

[thick niche]

true lmao

[sullen tendon]

obviously they need a damage buff

[thick niche]

nerf warrior

💯

[lapis marten]

How is Single minded fury one handers doing compaired to two handers atm?

[young swan]

poorly

[lapis marten]

😦

[lapis marten]

How far off % wise for st and multi

[rotund steppe]

69%

[thick niche]

nice

[dense elbow]

SMF with Fyrakk 1hander is doing ok

[olive wraith]

I think it’s like 10% under or something

[dense elbow]

That is very old

[olive wraith]

Fyrak adds 2-3% iirc

[dense elbow]

last sim was 2% in SMF favor

:)

[olive wraith]

With same ilvl?

[lapis marten]

we will see the legendary wep soon enough

[dense elbow]

PTR equal ilvl, yep

once lego is out tho, SMF is burried

[olive wraith]

I mean im pretty sure it’s buried already

But tbf I haven’t simmed

[dense elbow]

10% was last tier, SMF is Annhi enjoyer

[tawdry lily]

that is why we simpy ignore arms

[dense elbow]

keep that in mind

:P

[olive wraith]

I was sure someone simmed it s3

[unreal onyx]

monk alt rolled my 4p pants away in front of my eyes on our alt raid

🥲

[meager gyro]

Fury gonna ignore rage a bit too

[light stump]

is it worth doing the new campaigns?

[olive wraith]

Lot of the quests give flight stones

[unreal onyx]

worth in what sense?

[dense elbow]

there is no reason to not do em, I guess

[olive wraith]

Plus 18 renown means you get Aug rune

[unreal onyx]

stones*

[restive peak]

@mossy fox you usin cata brand for M+? I've been running Ocean+Sandglass, debating swap

[rotund steppe]

why tho

reck change gives enough rage for rampage

[olive wraith]

For m+ usually you have some leftover rage

Charge-bt will most likely give you enough for rampage

Just don’t use OF/ava before hitting ramp

[fervent turtle]

sup, is there a reason why on icy-veins Incandescent Soulcleaver (crit+vers) is BIS off hand and not 2x Gnarlroot's Bonecrusher (haste+mastery) ?

[gilded pawn]

And delaying your burst by 3 seconds it doesn’t matter

[sullen tendon]

are there any odyns weak auras that track the bleed timer

[gilded pawn]

Because it sims the best

Secondaries on weapon does not matter

Just change your rings to accommodate for it

[mossy fox]

yes

[olive wraith]

The bleed is only 5 seconds so without wa casting 3-4 gcd will be a decent timer

[fervent turtle]

??

[sullen tendon]

yea i just dont wanna overlap busrt macro withregular OF

[olive wraith]

Fury wants all stats. The “stat prio” is a very general advice it’s always best to run a sim

[fervent turtle]

gotit

[sullen tendon]

my philosophy is just equip anything thats higher ilvl until later in the season when ur just farming vault gear and crafted

unless it filsl a slot thats embelishment / tier

[olive wraith]

Ilvl does tend to be king

[restive peak]

How's it feeling overall? I figured it may be meh but as we get higher and chainpull more, you liking it?

[past pivot]

with the legendary, warlocks are going to cry themselves silly

[restive peak]

Bro just did a 24 WCM w Pepelock, he fucking pumped my ass the entire key

[gilded pawn]

Most of the power budget in a weapon is in its levels

Secondary is small in comparison

Andy you can fix stats in many ways

[sullen tendon]

wish i had a 24 waycrest

[rotund steppe]

[restive peak]

I also have 24 Rise homie

Lol

[sullen tendon]

i looked for other 24s the other day and there were like 6 listings all rise

does blizzard have a fucking rigging system

why do all these keys turn into rise

[chrome plover]

i guess people do all of the other keys

[restive peak]

Rise has been timed at 24 a bunch now

We did a 23, lots of fuckery, so we may do 24 before reset

[sullen tendon]

i 2 chested my brh so i didnt even get a 23

[chrome plover]

just doing atal 17-19s myself

[sullen tendon]

i just tank atals when i farm them

pugs are too slow

[chrome plover]

most of them are sub 20 with pug tanks

it's not too bad

[sullen tendon]

it just feels faster when i tank

i dont have to plan cooldowns

[chrome plover]

I just dont like tanking

and I get in instantly

[sullen tendon]

i just pull shit and kill it

[chrome plover]

so it works for me

dont have to plan cooldowns in an 18 anyway :kekw

just want rezans for smolderon tomorrow

[restive peak]

Atal is a banger man, so fuckin fun

[chrome plover]

but it isnt going too hot

[restive peak]

Just constant banging

[sullen tendon]

well if i want to activate nuerons i do

1miml burst on raptors

throne is my atal

[chrome plover]

[sullen tendon]

never gonna get a chest or helm

last week was so bad

fortified throne sucks

[chrome plover]

why do you farm 1 dungeon for chest/helm dont you tier up those anyway

i have just have hero chest/helm tier 🤷‍♂️

[sullen tendon]

any 17 dungeon that has helm or chest now

i was farming for trinket for most of that

[sullen dove]

i need to farm 470 pants from m+ to upgrade normal tier 3 ilvl but been so unlucky

only piece below 470

[chrome plover]

i got gnarlroot pants

[sullen tendon]

im not worring about pants cause im just gonna make haste embelishment pants next week

[sullen dove]

[spare otter]

isnt AD helm bis over tier helm?

[sullen dove]

you dont get another crafted next week

[sullen tendon]

i thought they changed it to every week this patch?

[sullen dove]

uhhh no

[sullen tendon]

hmm

[chrome plover]

bis setup has tier helm and gnarlroot legs i believe

or maybe brh legs

[sullen tendon]

well its a goodthing i just got hero pants from that throne i did 33 minutes ago

[sullen dove]

just like the last patch you get one whole one the first week, cause there is a quest to turn 1 into 2, just like for aberrus

but always every 2 weeks

done tot a lot

gotten like every drop except pants and crab

tho idk if i need crab anymore

[chrome plover]

damn ive done 5

[sullen tendon]

crab notgood

[chrome plover]

and i have both trinekts

[spare otter]

it says this in wowhead

[chrome plover]

weird

[sullen tendon]

im done with trinket farming

[past pivot]

What? Crab good

[sullen tendon]

crab boring

[sullen dove]

not 483

L

[clever belfry]

crab king

[chrome plover]

crab has like 35-40% uptime in my keys

it's sick

[past pivot]

Boring isn't bad. Crab is sneaky good. Might is better from that dungeon but Crab is good

[clever belfry]

🦀

[sullen tendon]

blame blizzard for capping crests

[cedar sedge]

what is the correct opener in aoe when playing dancing blades instead of titanic rage?

[sullen dove]

gameplay

[sullen tendon]

i spent all my crests this week on crafted and weapon

[clever belfry]

Augurry

[sullen dove]

[chrome plover]

I didnt get given augury

[sullen dove]

boosted liquid split fyrakk for aotc last week, got it out of my vault this week

the dividends pay themselves its crazy

[spare otter]

huh i didnt know wowhead and icyvein bis is different

which one are you supposed to go for lol

[chrome plover]

idk i just looked at simcraft gear tbh

[ornate gust]

+19 TOTT

[chrome plover]

i have tier legs too but got gnarlroot ones so i'll use those for now

[sullen tendon]

whats pre ozumat damage

[past pivot]

"Bis" is a relative term. There are better ones for raid and for keys.

[sullen tendon]

ozumat adds like 50k to dps sometimes

[spare otter]

oohhh

i didnt even realise that lmfao

[warm ginkgo]

Hello people, can someone please explain why on the last 2 bosses we run different aoe build from the rest of the raid ?

[brittle crow]

we do? xd

[sullen tendon]

i run 2 different talent setups

st and aoe

[chrome plover]

yeah idk what the diff is

[sullen tendon]

ads on tindril mean nothing cause they die so quick

i just run st on tin

aoe on fyrak if ur greedy

st if you care about killing boss

[warm ginkgo]

on wowhead it suggests aoe build with spear

[brittle crow]

spear is for losers

[warm ginkgo]

from your answers i guess its just the st build but with wirlwind for mobs

[sullen tendon]

prety much

[sudden tusk]

that list is assuming max ilvl in each slot

[warm ginkgo]

and the rest of the raid is the normal roar

[chrome plover]

so is the simcraft profile

[sudden tusk]

has the simcraft profile updated at all?

idk how that shit works

like if the simcraft assumed myth track dungeon rewards

or not

[chrome plover]

it's full 489

[sudden tusk]

it does use some dungy gear

hmm

[chrome plover]

they are both made by archi im pretty sure

🤷‍♂️

[sudden tusk]

@edgy widget any idea on the slight discrepency in tier slot usage between Simcraft and wowhead

idk how you guys figure all that shit out so was curious

[rotund steppe]

sae

same*

[brittle crow]

pinging archi u have a death wish

or maybe he just doesnt like when i ping him

[chrome plover]

[sudden tusk]

i mean the answer could simply be he felt like it

[fallen pivot]

How big is fury's gain of 2pc>4pc in m+?

[chrome plover]

pretty big

[fallen pivot]

It looks pretty big, makes OF 2nd overall right?

[chrome plover]

it feels 10000000000000x better having of up twice~ as often

[fallen pivot]

Right under blood bathe?

[desert kite]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-tiger-drop-gif-24749668

[edgy widget]

SimC's isn't updated yet, but it's very minor

[sudden tusk]

gotcha

[edgy widget]

simply using 5p of tier is about 0.1% worse than a perfect vault offpiece

[sudden tusk]

considering most the stats are good was assuming it wasnt to big a deal

[next canopy]

Are people enjoying the m+ play-style yet?

[desert kite]

It's ight

[chrome plover]

yes

[rotund steppe]

yeah

[summer quail]

enjoying yes, but not nearly as much as t30

[rotund steppe]

idk im happy we not spamming RB

[light stump]

We can get two 450 items from quest right. The time rift and from the dreamsurge cocoon?

[plucky ice]

t30 pretty boring tbh just spam and wait for stacks lmao

[red berry]

yeah i hated t30

[rotund steppe]

i actually liked T29

[desert kite]

What was T29 even, I didn't play s1

[rotund steppe]

not a big change but i like the more executes

[sullen tendon]

t29 was so bad

it changed nothing about hte class

[rotund steppe]

i just like execute

[sullen tendon]

they should just make a talent that activates execute when you rampage something with low health

it interupts rotation

atleas when its not a spender like arms

[gilded pawn]

it changes a lot about the spec

the changes just did nothing in terms of dps

[barren dagger]

shadowflame wrists sim 1k higher for me compared to vers ones. is this normal?

[gilded pawn]

yea

[barren dagger]

oh so i just craft those

why everyone saying vers is BIS

[sullen tendon]

if ur simming ST yea

[keen kindle]

I mean wasn't it pre 10.05 that fury could replace their tier with higher ilvl

[sullen tendon]

its relatively eaqual to shadwoflame and still does better in aoe

[past pivot]

Vers is/was considered slightly better in M+. Shadowflame more for ST. Honestly, you'll craft both eventually.

[chrome plover]

when do we get next spark?

[plucky ice]

shadowflame sims more with lower ilvl gear, since it's static and less gain from vers

[olive wraith]

Week 4 I think ?

[barren dagger]

yeah i'm 455

[proud igloo]

hello. havent played since 10.0. who wants to hold my hand

[barren dagger]

so guess ill craft vers wrists if it just gets better

[olive wraith]

Wowhead guide loves to hold hands

[proud igloo]

i cant read homie

cmon

[olive wraith]

I’ve got bad news then

[proud igloo]

please say sike

[past pivot]

Watch a video then.

[olive wraith]

Remember to like and subscribe

[proud igloo]

damn, yall fake

smdreads

[olive wraith]

There’s a lot of info

Anni play is way diff than rb builds. Just go read through

[proud igloo]

im 433, started yesterday. think ill be fucci

gucci