fury

[past pivot]

What kind of gear do you have?

[real warren]

tyvm

[chrome plover]

I have 1 bad ring and a bad neck

478 ilvl with brand and rezans by sunday is my goal

to blast smoldy

[lean heart]

the cleaved BT/BB crits dont work with our 4p right?

[lethal mirage]

What is high ilvl rn

[spare otter]

gl getting rezans

i havent seen that shit drop once

[wild mural]

[olive wraith]

The extra 150% damage doesn’t cleave that’s correct

The regular hit does though

[chrome plover]

ty 🙏

[lean heart]

wait

the dmg cleave surely?

[frail trout]

I've been unsure how I wanna use my aspect crests, do I just completely save for myth track items or is stuff like trinkets fine? idk

[lean heart]

it just doesnt proc cdr on odyns no?

[frail trout]

like bis hero track trinkets

[olive wraith]

The tier boosted part of bb after odyns?

[lean heart]

yeh the cdr

[olive wraith]

The cdr procs

The damage doesn’t cleave

[lean heart]

thats

thats shit

[olive wraith]

We still blasting don’t worry

[lean heart]

no i know

[errant pond]

Is gleaming eye best trinket as well as raid ones?

[lean heart]

that is so dumb whao i did not know the buffed BB/BT does not cleave lmao

[olive wraith]

If it did we would get nerfed for sure

[lean heart]

o i guess it does say "primary target"

[chrome plover]

it would be so broken

[lean heart]

ye ye tru

[olive wraith]

400k primary target plus 200k on 4 other targets

Times 3

Every 25 seconds

[lean heart]

[grave lantern]

going for vers instead of haste feels wrong

[wild mural]

[frail trout]

resto druid is wild right now

its almost a 4th dps

at least when the incoming damage isn't crazy and they have time to catweave

[frosty karma]

452 windwalker vs 472 hunter in atal +20

[chrome plover]

this was normal larodar...

[frosty karma]

never know what you get when you invite fotm classes

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[frail trout]

windwalker....

[spare otter]

damn i just spent 5k to craft a gem only to realise you can only slot one in anyway...

im down bad

[frosty karma]

[olive wraith]

Are they switching to feral

Or cat dps

When not healing

[chrome plover]

cat yeah

[wild mural]

21 ad +2

[chrome plover]

bite + rip do more damage for resto than feral

[frail trout]

[wild mural]

and the everbloom 20

my runs are wild

[topaz dock]

I do about the same dps as the tank

[spare otter]

💀

[olive wraith]

Did they ever leave cat down

Form*

[spare otter]

no one joining 😦

[sterile mesa]

what item should i craft as fury?

[junior gale]

@modest condor hey in the rare moments you send OF and your fillers are on cd and all you have is BT up to gen rage do you send a tier stack on the naked BT or is it better to just afk auto/wait for fillers to get that extra rage to get a BB charge

[modest condor]

you'll just have to send it on the bt

or you can run out to charge and hope it gets you enough rage for a rampage

[junior gale]

ok sounds good thanks

[summer quail]

ye i run out and charge in that scenario, no clue if it's correct tho

[modest condor]

i dont know how to set up charge weaving in raidbots so cant test it

[sterile mesa]

is Allied Wristguard of Companionship a good item to craft in 489?

[modest condor]

yes

[sterile mesa]

its bis or is it better ones to prio?

thinking about Vibrant Wildercloth Shawl

[snow edge]

Info in the pins

[olive wraith]

Cloak with patch is better ST
Allied wrist is good for aoe

Allied wrist also makes you a touch more tanky which doesn’t sim

[slow veldt]

My guys, if Legendary release is linked to RWF, would it be stupid to kill Fyrakk before we know if they down RWF this week?

Thinking about lockout on legendary chance in that case

[spare otter]

i'm wandering about that too tbh

but ig no one knows

[errant pond]

Is the gleaming eye the best trinket

[olive wraith]

It’s a good one

[slow veldt]

But i guess someone know how it was for last leggo

[errant pond]

So what are the 2 best trinkets signet and fyrakk ones?

[slow veldt]

Wondering if it would not be before next reset even if RWF would be done tonight for example

[oblique trail]

It's among the best trinkets from M+, at the very least for ST

[errant pond]

I have the fyrakk one and signet just wondering if I should farm any others

[oblique trail]

Would probably put Fyrakk + Signet or Mirror/Might of the Ocean as the best setup in general

[frank dawn]

No one has any idea how the bad luck protection works this time around. Just that it’s turned on from the beginning

[slow veldt]

That's not my question 😄

[olive wraith]

I doubt they would penalize those that cleared raid before rwf

[slow veldt]

Exactly

[frank dawn]

Well I mean in that light it probably doesn’t matter if you’re only killing normal/heroic when you do it this week

[olive wraith]

If I had to guess it would probably unlock on lower difficulties the week after rwf ends

But that’s just speculation

[spare otter]

can we get the leg from vault?

[olive wraith]

Gotta be most specific lol

[frank dawn]

The Evoker one didn’t

[spare otter]

ahh

[olive wraith]

There’s plenty leg pieces

Did you mean legendary?

[spare otter]

was hoping to wake up on wednesday to a legendary in my vault

yea

[olive wraith]

Oh ya no. I’d say 99%chance we won’t

[frank dawn]

Yeah pretty sure that can’t happen haha

[spare otter]

well hopefully i'll wake up to augury then

[frank dawn]

[chrome plover]

not in that group

[olive wraith]

lol

[chrome plover]

oh it was actually nymue

[olive wraith]

That’s pretty great still

[plucky wedge]

whatss the opening, is it OF into reck into avatar?

[chrome plover]

but the boss only lived for 1:12

[plucky wedge]

for m+ on 4 set

[olive wraith]

Check wowhead

[plucky wedge]

its unclear

[wicked shuttle]

Question for any BS Fury Warriors on here. Is there a benefit to picking one of the 4 specs or is it irrelevant on which one?

Armor, Wep, Hammer, misc

[chrome plover]

as in, blacksmithing?

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah

[olive wraith]

What’s confusing about it

[chrome plover]

there's benefits to each depending on what you wanna specialise in crafting

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah but will one benefit me more?

Armor sounds better since I'm a newb 70

Won't get in high end raids till a few upgrades

[chrome plover]

it's unlikely you'd be crafting much of your own gear

but I would probably say armour too

[plucky wedge]

dont worry

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah that's what I'm getting at if I pug raid would I would be upgrading my gear wep

[plucky wedge]

it must have been update because before it was

[warm crag]

ulticus raiding w/ u?

[chrome plover]

yes!

[warm crag]

exposed

[chrome plover]

[rancid shoal]

sometimes when im facerolling my keyboard I get switched to defensive stance. Any ideas why that might be?

[warm crag]

do you press dstance or a macro that includes dstance

[rancid shoal]

I dont think ive macrod it into any of my abilities let me check

no hot key for defensive stance

[warm crag]

even on hidden bars?

[rancid shoal]

ahhhhh its special action button 1 causing it

Thanks!

[rain talon]

Anyone know what haste cap is for us this phase? IIRC it was like 32% before, but we prio haste a bit less now cause of gear inflation

[olive wraith]

There is no haste cap and we’ve never had a cap

[summer quail]

gonna get so much haste that i can rampage each gcd

[olive wraith]

0-100-0-0 gaming

[zenith pike]

whats prio for fury?

bloodbath > rampage?

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[buoyant salmon]

literally nothing u said here is true, just sim your character with top gear to know if a piece is better than what youre wearing

[errant pond]

@rain talon I’m gonna need a response here

[olive wraith]

Why would you need a response

[errant pond]

Because I asked

[worldly night]

does anyone know why in the multitarget guide we press Thunderous Roar before avatar? wouldn't avatar buff it by 20% making it worth doing after?

[warm crag]

i assume its running odyn's fury which procs avatar

[worldly night]

ooooooo yeah ty

[gleaming crag]

so I've gotten two quantum corsair in 11 runs of DOTI trying to farm the offhand....

and I cant even fucking use them thats the sad thing

[keen narwhal]

should i use the talents for t31 even though i only have 2pc?

[summer quail]

For raid yes. I would not in m+

[olive wraith]

For m+ I would

[summer quail]

No 4p cdr feels awful in m+ but you do you

[olive wraith]

I’m doing more damage

So I’ll keep going

I might try the weird hybrid build tonight I’ll report back

[keen narwhal]

I did a m+ now and I felt a lack of the burst

[warm crag]

y not

do you actually have all the mounts

[warm crag]

holy based

god gamer

[gleaming crag]

data for azeroth an aggrigate that scrapes the apl to rank you based on your collections of things.

[tepid scroll]

Just coming back from last tier. Do we break last seasons 4p when we get this seasons 2p?

[olive wraith]

Yes

Some don’t like the 2/2 split for m+ though

[tepid scroll]

Do you wait till 4p to swap to the new build / rota?

[olive wraith]

2/2

[tepid scroll]

Got id, and Odyns before Avatar?

Like odyns wait a couple seconds then ava?

[olive wraith]

If you have 4 p

If not it doesn’t matter as much

[unreal cape]

so i played a few m+ with new 4p and i think i kinda like it. it‘s different, feels a bit less spammy which is good for my fingers and the BB crits are real juicy. just sometimes a bit awkward when i dont have a button to press inbetween BB, Ramp and slam

i might miss ravager a bit, but dmg seems good, OF is fun. will need some time getting used to new rotation and everything

[olive wraith]

Press bt after ramp

Bb-ramp-bb-slam-bt-ramp

Weaving in bt between your filler with cd smooths out the rotation

[sullen tendon]

why are bm hunters so broken right now

[red dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/bm-hunter-base-rotation-gif-22888720

[unreal cape]

oh yeah rhats exactly what im doing. its just sometimes bt, slam are on cd and u dont have enough rage for ramp and u also dont have a sudden death proc

then i used ww, but one time that was also on cd, only happened once though

[restive peak]

Yo how you guys doin in there?

Wish my guild would just do 7 days at start man, jelly.

[olive wraith]

If you are pressing bt after every filler you shouldn’t be having down time issues

[buoyant salmon]

struggling

[restive peak]

That fight looks rough AF man

I figure we're a few weeks from it, so hopefully it'll be nerfed + we'll obvi be more geared

[unreal cape]

yeah it just happened rarely, probably because i dont have the new rotation down well enough

[modest condor]

on st it can happen when you're trying to minmax your 2set stacks (not using it on base bt), on aoe it can happen because you have to press ww on cooldown to keep cleaving

but outside of minmaxing 2set stacks there should never be an empty gcd on st

[buoyant salmon]

its pretty wild

theres always 2-3 different raid wipe mechanics happening at once

[modest condor]

progging tindral?

[restive peak]

Ye looks bananas dude

[errant pond]

What’s he doin?

[clear light]

yall macro odyn fury and reckless?

[summer quail]

No

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[modest condor]

im glad i wont reach that boss before a ton of nerfs have hit it

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[spark maple]

Fyrak almost down guys, legendary axe coming soon, it will save fury

[gleaming crag]

38 isnt almost down

[empty grove]

Didnt know fury needed saving

feels pretty good

[olive wraith]

Fury pumping

I mean

Fury sucks give buff

[empty grove]

First time im enjoying fury in a long time

[olive wraith]

You didn’t enjoy last season pre Aug?

[empty grove]

not really no

[unreal cape]

im doing that, which is recommended right - to make BB even jucier

[olive wraith]

Man we were almost meta

[empty grove]

we were not even close to meta

[spark maple]

Shut up

Its almost down

[olive wraith]

Wdym we were y close

Before Aug we were

[brittle crow]

this happens to me a lot

i should be trying to minmax right

because im a gamer

[slim coral]

Would this be good with the eranog ring?

Or the other rare ring

Seems like it would be good with Anni build

[oblique trail]

Both the neck and ring will be outpaced by secondaries alone

[gilded pawn]

Why eranog ring lol

That’s 70 levels ago

Neck prob decent on st

[slim coral]

I simmed it for fun it's only a 103 dps loss rn for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jjqer8mUPUtrv8bQRjVnwf

[oblique trail]

I simmed it and it's a -1k for me with 4p

[valid moon]

Whats the 2/2 talent for M+?

2p of last season, 2p of this season

[slim coral]

did you put on shadwoflame wreath and augury?

[oblique trail]

And the gap will just increase

No why would I try to game that ring so hard with subpar enchants

[slim coral]

just for fun

also there is a fire neck as well in the new raid

but can't wear 2 necks do it doesnt really matter I guess

[oblique trail]

The ring is just not it anymore

Its 2 raids old

[valid moon]

Is there such thing?

[slim coral]

well I saw a post about it being a 2k dmg icnrease for outlaw rogues so thats where I got the idea from

[empty grove]

is that the aoe build youre in?

[slim coral]

yeah it's just the normal 4 piece build

[slim coral]

yeah

didn't change talents

forgot

[empty grove]

ah ok

[valid moon]

ty

[empty grove]

was gonna say you sim hella low 😂

whats your ST sim?

[slim coral]

actually it's a dps increase

for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/csxN22JCK4QT1eVuFPyrqn

[valid moon]

why do we use Roar instead of Spear on new talents? Curious

[empty grove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Cp3uyagFy28qRK1EUMY1U

[slim coral]

@oblique trail

[valid moon]

is it actually more damage?

[empty grove]

for ST spear is more dmg

[oblique trail]

200 dps

[edgy widget]

Spear slightly better, many players prefer Roar just for ease of use

[oblique trail]

It might as well be within variance

[valid moon]

Ty!

[empty grove]

if you can get spear off and stand in it for its cd burst

Spear is better

but if it doesnt

rip

[naive swallow]

how's fury performing in M+ A/S?

[slim coral]

yeah I don't have the neck and I havne't upgraded kmy trinkets yet

and I don't have that ring

[naive swallow]

just curious

[empty grove]

augury trinket is so good for AOE

I love fury this tier

feels so good

[hasty badger]

Is Execute better than Rampage or Bloodbath in M+ or Raid?

[jovial rover]

Titanic rage feels better than having to enrage + ww and then Odyn's change my mind

[empty grove]

So execute in ST the prio is rampage(if bloodbath isnt up) bloodbath takes prio then rampage then execute

[hasty badger]

Ok and in Multitarget?

[empty grove]

exactly the same but with meat cleaver stacks up

[hasty badger]

Thanks man

[empty grove]

you always wanna spend bloodbath

so when you rampage it gives you another bloodbath

[tardy solar]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a fury weakaura set

[brave cairn]

One I use the most is bloodbath crit tracker, reflect tracker, whirlwind stacks

Useful shit

[frozen berry]

So I can get my 2 set using catalyst(been unlucky with teir drops as so far only gotten teir legs from vault this week) is it work breaking t30 4set for teir 31 2pc?

[brave cairn]

It's worth it for most people, best sim your shit tho

2set/2set is still fine until you get your 4set

[tiny flame]

check out this channel https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/365419450054344704

[tardy solar]

Thanks, sorry

I was right about to start a dungeon so i couldnt look for it

so ill look when im done

[olive wraith]

Why a bb crit tracker

[vernal stump]

folks ruinning 2/2 right now..what are you averaging single target on sim?

[brave cairn]

Odyns fury cd reduction

Works off of bb crits

I mean I slam it most of the time

[olive wraith]

Bt crits*

But ya you send bt on cooldown

So I don’t think you need to track it’s crit chance

[brave cairn]

But I like to keep track either way

Feels good seeing 100% bt crits

[olive wraith]

You do you

[gusty tundra]

It probably doesn't matter much, but the 2 builds on wowhead for st in raids are either season 2 tier set or season 3 tier set. Which one would be strongest if I own neither of them?

[olive wraith]

S2

You can do old content and then use catalyst for s2 tier

Think people said dream surge and time rifts can be converted to s2 tier

[real warren]

yes they can

450 ilevel at max upgrade

[olive wraith]

If you don’t bother with getting old tier you can shift all the bt talents into rb talents

[gusty tundra]

that's actually a huge tip tyvm

[olive wraith]

It’ll sim lower though

[thin cliff]

holy crap fyrakk trinket is bomb AF

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[prime summit]

how much haste are we shooting for this patch with 4pc? See a lot of mastery / crit stack atm

[covert blaze]

there is no specific number

all stats are good for fury, depends on how your stats are distributed atm

[prime summit]

with WF our rage feels insane

thats all

feel like haste isnt that great

[young swan]

still prob gonna wanna float around 30%

[prime summit]

yeah thats what im thinking

28-30

ty

[past pivot]

No set number. Depends on gear. As always, sim.

[past pivot]

Catalyst is only every 2 weeks so don’t waste it early. Recommendation was keep it until you can get 4p. 2p t31 is mixed. Some like it, some don’t. Many run 4p t30 or arms 2p + 2p until they get 4p t31 and can swap over.

[subtle knoll]

I got 2p early on and really hated the switch at first, but wanted to learn the rotation asap. After a few days I actually love it. More DMG than 4p from my experience.

T31 4p is gonna be wild w all the cd reduction of OF

[desert kite]

Yeah this new play might not suck as much dick as I first thought and expected, thankfully

[lavish sage]

anyone have a more aggresive whirlwind reminder WA

for my adhd brain

[prime summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qvCPDF8JQz3S6f9xdPZxzF

yeah this is my top gear lol, all crit mastery

sweet

cept haste mastery ring from dht but thats still heavy mastery

and I have every ring / neck from m+ to test top gear with

stats kinda wild

[olive wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/omAKco1sG3DUpfAUKd54yX

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kUphh4Gmsr22PqHZwnn61q

hybrid build seem to sim lower than 2p

can som1 double check to make sure talents are "even"

[hushed arrow]

Can some one help me with logs, did a 6 Daza and just wandering were im going wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nCJgBqawTcMvyxHQ#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[lavish sage]

always BB>rampage right?

[sharp tartan]

Does anyone know of a more advanced fury warrior guide resource than the wowhead and icy veins ones? Something like the balance druid compendium? Preferrably written

[wanton mirage]

Hekili

[lavish sage]

[covert blaze]

what

put an air horn on a loop when you have the buff down or something idk

[lavish sage]

idk something that jiggles in the middle of my screen that says reuse ww or smth

kinda like the dont release you ape wa

[covert blaze]

I can make you one

[meager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/pierdniecie-gif-19063965

[lavish sage]

sure id appreciate it

[lavish sage]

???

[covert blaze]

can you not

[meager gyro]

That would be aggressive

[covert blaze]

???

[meager gyro]

Whirlwind reminder just shit flying

[lavish sage]

you are deranged

[covert blaze]

it is friday after all

[meager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-jock-gif-25068583

[brave sedge]

yo so just got my Fury warr up and not sure what to craft first any tips?

not playing it too seriously, just an alt alt

[covert blaze]

pins

[brave sedge]

yeah i read through wasnt really sure of it

so i asked here, was just wondering what most ppl are getting crafted, i can craft 2 items rn

[lean heart]

i like how the Rampage tooltip still hasnt been changed after they changed RA

[split comet]

is pip trinket bis?

volcoross trinekt sims better for me

but unsuyre if that just due to current gear that i have

[past depot]

anyone else finding this set a little slow compared to last season playstyle

[brave sedge]

to me this is kinda confusing

So what should I maybe aim toward crafting, wrist? and cloak with shadowflame embelishments?

[flat river]

yes

[clever path]

the allied wrists have always been strong esp in m+

[olive wraith]

Nope. Still gcd locked

[meager gyro]

I'm personally going allied wristguards + Shadowflame cloak after minutes of testing

[elder vessel]

does ur offhand for fury matter?

like does it use any stats at all

[brave sedge]

so just the Vibrant Wildercloth Shawl with the shadowflame on it right?

[flat river]

you get stats

yes

[meager gyro]

stamina stronk 💪

[flat river]

indeed

like my name

[meager gyro]

🦴 give a gala bone

[flat river]

watch your gala tone

[frozen tartan]

May I ask how? It just plays clunky as hell for me... Either in raid and m+

[olive wraith]

You’re most likely not hitting bt enough

Should be used every other gcd

[brave sedge]

aww why does this tooltip make it sound like i can use bladestorm..

they took Bladestorm away from Fury did they not

[olive wraith]

Hurricane is also an arms talent

[elfin vortex]

Stupid question, is ww prio to slam on st ?

[olive wraith]

Slam>ww but you’ll basically be switching between the two

Outside of cd and without SD procs it’ll be something like
Ramp-bb-slam-bt-ramp-bb-ww-bt-ramp

[elfin vortex]

Thanks a lot , got the 4set for 2 days and still cant get used to it

I feel that at some point there is an empty time when i have nothing to press, so 100% i am doing something wrong

[hardy cargo]

Fury has hurricane too lol

[olive wraith]

I’m not saying it doesn’t

I did use the word “also”

[grim sleet]

can someone shoot me an SMF build? I just got the axe off of fyrakk

[flat river]

i hate fury warrior gameplay this season but there is no way i can play arms

[olive wraith]

New rotation takes some getting used to

[olive wraith]

Drop SS for smf

Maybe a point in vc for the talent below it

Sim to double check

[grim sleet]

if i drop SS i lose reckless abandon

smf is a 1.5% dps loss but i'm gonna run it anyway because it sounds fun

[young swan]

how

are u not taking frenzy?

[grim sleet]

SS is Swift Strikes right?

[young swan]

slaughtering strikes

[grim sleet]

oh yeah, i'm running anni

[young swan]

prob massacre or bloodbath

[olive wraith]

Oh ya bleed taken probs

[glass kelp]

scary? why how do you look like?

[tiny flame]

lol

[elfin vortex]

What keys ?what key lvl ? And what was the dps ?
Trying to compare if i am doing good dps with the new tier set

[tight saddle]

what weapon runes does simcraft use by default?

[subtle knoll]

Anyone go fang adornments on crafted wep?

[young swan]

nope

[young swan]

i think haste?

the difference is miniscule regardless

[paper marten]

Hey. If I don’t have the set, do I use wowheads t30 m+ build?

[subtle knoll]

what % of dmg does most embellishments land at?

[young swan]

yeah just drop cshb and bloodborne for raging blow stuff + SD

alternatively, just do emerald surges + time rifts and get t30 for free

[young swan]

i would think about 3% but i have no idea

[slim coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xZRYKWMiYpP2HB7SaxcGG

@young swan few more items and I'll be up there

should be able to hit 200k if I get enough flightstones

[young swan]

[clever belfry]

[sudden tusk]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/987/795/cec.png

me when i get 4p on tuesday

[slim coral]

lego will drop tuesday as well

surely

I just want to know what it does already

Hopefully we will know today

[sullen basin]

do you think blizzard is locking legendary behind a mythic kill happening

they did it last time right

[young swan]

yes

almost certainly

[sullen basin]

cool hope my aotc prog guild rekills normal fyrakk after echo gets world second then

[proud bough]

dude it's such a bummer to gain 15 ilvls and go from your lowest ilvl parse being a 95 to your highest ilvl parse being a 47. 😢

[sullen basin]

you're competing with sweats, now you're geared enough to look at the overall parse instead and get ego off that one

[young swan]

ilvl parses are irrelevant like 99% of the time

[proud bough]

It's just sadge to see grey parses at all on the right side man

[sullen basin]

ilvl parses are only good if they're orange and inflate my ego

[proud bough]

My guild's kill times are kinda on the slow side though

So it makes sense

It's just sadge

[proud bough]

lmao I feel that

[vocal fog]

How much haste is good?

[young swan]

dont worry about numbers, just sim your gear

most people float around 30%, but again, sim your gear

[clever belfry]

hate numba

[cedar bloom]

are we still using crafted weapon in this seaon? just came back from season 1

[red yew]

Wonder Woman has seen better days...

[split comet]

in ur opener if u get SD

do u send it even if at 100 rage

if u have enrage up and just used bloodbath

after the tier buff is gone

[covert blaze]

[wraith hazel]

leggo unlocks on reset after kill or directly when it dies? If assuming it works the same way as evoker leggo

[clever escarp]

evoker was reset

[wraith hazel]

alright

ty

[spare otter]

What is revvez using

That can't be raging blow

[young swan]

what

[eternal sundial]

annihilator

[spare otter]

On his wa

It looks like raging blow

[covert blaze]

I don't see it

[spare otter]

Oh I think it's shattering throw lol

[eternal sundial]

wrecking throw

shatter is fake imo

but idk im not watchi him rn

[spare otter]

Yea either one of them idk

[split comet]

wrecking throw for the shield

in intermission 1

like 200k for 1 global

[upper mica]

is dungeoslice apporpriate for us now?

[worldly shard]

mirror any good?

[young swan]

yeah its solid

[worldly shard]

i mean it was +2.7k dps at 460 vs 441vial

still an upgrade

but considering its 3min cd

ToTT would prolly be better

trink

[upper mica]

or do we still use 5 boss patchwork

[worldly shard]

i'd use 5T

[young swan]

yeah dslice is fine

[worldly shard]

dang might of the ocean, simming less

on 5T

than mirror

[upper mica]

im really struggling with fury atm... i know we have to spam the crap out of BT but im still trying to figure out if rampage is up do i pro that to get BB over BT?

[worldly shard]

probably because im swapping main stat for secondary stat

[upper mica]

ive always found trinkets are hard as far as sims go - i use bloodmallet to decide trinks as they sim weirdly

[young swan]

mirror is a lot more burst and we dont have a talent to amp strength anymore

[worldly shard]

seems like mirror is in the top5

and might is below

[young swan]

but if you need frequency (like you would in m+) might of the ocean is going to be better

[indigo quarry]

@young swan tell Sense he is spreading misinformation

[toxic grove]

Anyone has a clip or vod of some fury with 4 set doing +20 dungeons?

[worldly shard]

so augury/rageheart bis?

for 5t

[young swan]

prob augury/might of the ocean

or augury/mirror

[civic falcon]

Critcake just posted one on Youtube

[toxic grove]

thanks

[worldly shard]

pretty cool tbf

7th and 9th boss dropping bis trinks

3x

higher chance of getting one

[near gust]

is it worth overcaping rage for extra normal bt casts?

[worldly shard]

guess ill hop onto heroic raid today

[upper mica]

so what does a normal opener look like?

[fossil girder]

should I be arms or fury progging heroic in a boomer guild ?

[worldly shard]

just sim

and check what the bot does

[spiral night]

Both really fury for most and arms for ferakk

[worldly shard]

then create a macro accordingly

for ez life

[clever path]

hello gamers any advice for getting cds up for first orbs on smoldy im delaying basically as much as possible and its still kinda off

[worldly shard]

wrist+cloak shadowflame bis?

[upper mica]

i think its arguable... i think that the wristguard is BiS now

im looking at neck and it seems raven filigree pendant is BiS as well

[worldly shard]

i got socket on my crafted gear

[worldly shard]

wowhead says allied/shadowflame

allied alternate

allied sims higher tho

[twilit harbor]

Allied has a minor defensive benefit as well

[fervent turtle]

anyone knows if we get another tierset in DF?

[worldly shard]

i went with allied wrist

gonna tier legs/hands/shoulders/chest

and shadowflame on cloak

[teal sable]

Is the Anniversary neck good for us?

[clever path]

Arms

[fading sky]

Fury

[viscid flare]

play the one u have more fun / are better at

[fading sky]

once u got 4p

is near immortal that is

and timers are better at the last couple of bosses

but in hc it does not matter to much ofc

[clever path]

Reason for arms is that some of the bosses become harder at low hp, so arms is really strong there

For example Fyrakk, Larodat and Smolderon

[olive plank]

Im trying to make my own WA and I want to add a condition that adds a glow if furious bloodthirst is found, can anyone help me with that?

[forest owl]

is there any spreadsheet that shows what we can reflect this season?

[olive plank]

Oh sorry, I'll redirect myself to the wa channel

[forest owl]

fantastic thanks

[regal trellis]

Yeah seems to spaz sometimes but does the job

[elfin vortex]

Why people use thunderous roar before avatar ?

Isn't it suppose to do more dmg if you use avatar first ?

[covert blaze]

you get avatar from casting odyn's fury

[elfin vortex]

I mean on ST

You dont use that talent

Oh wait i am an idiot

[fading sky]

😄

[elfin vortex]

My bad my bad haha

[nova dust]

Is furry fun with the new tier and build?

[frosty karma]

fun is subjective 🤷‍♂️

[unreal cape]

i like it, it‘s a change of pace and less spammy, BB crits are real juicy. some ppl dont like it though

[clever path]

i have like all crit haste gear ffs i should play arms

[unreal cape]

so can only try it yourself

[tidal kindle]

You're fun and subjective

New fury is different, I like it

Arms is

[frosty karma]

how can you say this when you have arms in your name

[lavish grove]

[placid adder]

Allied Wristgaurd worth for M+?

[fading sky]

its bis for raid

and m+

[upper mica]

im slowly getting there...

[ornate gust]

+19 TOTT.. The rouge depleted the key 😦

[upper mica]

great damage on your side though

im struggling to get even close to that

[trim salmon]

I mean that's pretty stinky with ozumat pad included

[dark ice]

go cry in a the corner about it

[warm pewter]

So on big pull you recklness into Odyns , use 3 empowered bloodthirsts and then use avatar and roar and repeat?

[cosmic badge]

How do you guys cope with the target cap in big juicy pulls? Seeing DH easily pulling a million dps while bursting 600k can be depressing

[warm pewter]

Same with hunters, you just deal with it and time the key

Wagio

[fading sky]

Judas i went arms

[calm kiln]

wago.io

[fading sky]

so i can spam WW

in big pulls

[warm pewter]

NOOOOOOOO

Yep

And hope our legendary is nutty and decently easy to get and flex on them hoes that we got leggo and they dont

[outer bluff]

The spell reflect WA is so nice

[fading sky]

i mean arms is quite ok fun in keys

havent actually tried fury this season yet

ill prob start next week

[warm pewter]

Ouch

Its suppose to be easier, they said they listened to feedback

[warm crag]

what if people is blizzard themselves

[tidal kindle]

Arms same playstyle 5(?) tiers in a row

Now with more rage

Both in and out of game

[oblique trail]

arms reworkd in 10.2.5

new playstyle

no rage issues

fun buttons and descriptions to read

[tidal kindle]

Revvez not human bro

Not even AI

https://tenor.com/bhojk.gif

[warm crag]

what happened to the fury rework in patch 10.1.5 "infinite fury"

[oblique trail]

postponed till 11.1.5 "Indefinite Fury"

[tidal kindle]

In Definite Fury (the playerbase)

[frosty karma]

Arms getting rework and topping all meters, highest boss damage most aoe, best prio add damage, infinite dungeon utilities, hoooly

Gets all externals best windfury class

[stuck bison]

[frosty karma]

(totally didnt happen this tier with one of the classes )

[keen shell]

Hello. What trinkets would you guys recommend i should get from M+ as fury

[wild mural]

i'd still play fury

[chrome plover]

rezans is kinda the best one for ST

[keen shell]

Thats the one from atal dazar right?

[chrome plover]

y

[keen shell]

Cool, thanks for tip!

[tidal knoll]

with new 4pc in raid, when do we press execute in execute range? does rampage into bb still have prio over everything else?

[tidal kindle]

[outer bluff]

RIP

[oblique trail]

Trust me bro I got CR wrists

[tidal kindle]

BRO

I shouldve

[short spire]

what missive shoul;d i put on crafted back?

[oblique trail]

Mastery + Anything

Mastery haste or mastery vers

Either works

You can always recraft later

[short spire]

which one is mastery haste

[oblique trail]

Feverflare I think

[hybrid snow]

Hi Guys, long time no come to this discord... I was 99% sure that whoever thought that this set piece bonuses would be a good idea, would come to the conclusion that a complete rework was necessary before even 10.2 came live but it's been 2 weeks since release and even a tweek is no where to be seen.

Has any of you tried to do high level m+? Have you seen the damage difference?

[forest owl]

where was lord kazzak world boss again for the anniversary?

[fading sky]

what are u talking about hito?

fury is fine in keys

dno what is "high lvel M+" ?

[covert blaze]

blasted lands

[forest owl]

cheers

[chrome plover]

huh?

fury feels real good in keys with 4p

[hybrid snow]

oof...

Surely a matter of taste 😄

[wild mural]

not a high key but our dam isn't bad

[chrome plover]

cant beat these tho

[fading sky]

and we never will

[hybrid snow]

exactly.

[fading sky]

lol so u are complaining that 2 other specs are overtuned?

[hybrid snow]

2?

how about 6 or 7 of them?

[chrome plover]

yes

[fading sky]

i can handle rouges decently in keys

[chrome plover]

2

[fading sky]

rogues arent to bad

[wild mural]

rogues aren't that strong really

[hybrid snow]

the rouges that have gone with you are complete dogwater if u can handle them honestly.

[fading sky]

they are strong, right but not DH or BM strong

at all

[chrome plover]

^

[fading sky]

dno man only cruising in 20 keys

[wild mural]

DH and BM are in a league of their own but there's always a couple specs that are like that

[steady thunder]

This looks fine to me when you factor in how tanky we are at high key levels, our kit for survivability outweighs 10k imho

[hybrid snow]

in 24+ keys, I can't even touch their damage

[chrome plover]

agree

[hybrid snow]

and the rotation...

omfg

[wild mural]

the rotation seems fine to me

🤷‍♀️

[fading sky]

i mean hitokiry play something else

[chrome plover]

lol

[fading sky]

the spec is fine

[chrome plover]

it's kinda the same rotation idk

feely wise

[hybrid snow]

haven't had this bad of an experience since vanilla xD you guys really like it

[fading sky]

and the rotation isnt changed

[hybrid snow]

?

[fading sky]

u just press 1 button instead of another button

that being said, just test arms in keys

[hybrid snow]

that button has a set cooldown, no charges, and also no damage for the alternatives. and getting whirlwind stacks is so clunky if you go for annihilator.. One global doing tactics away from mobs and it's fucked.

[fading sky]

it isnt has harc capped

[brittle phoenix]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?

[narrow narwhal]

You still press RB 🙂

[hybrid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/kek-kekw-gif-19460649

[steady thunder]

[chrome plover]

whirlwind stacks feels the same

wat

[fading sky]

i am very confusious doesnt haste make up for the GCD issue ?

[hybrid snow]

what build are u taking?

[fading sky]

not but cd

[hybrid snow]

but you need haste to the point that enrage timing and min maxing are no longer something to be taken into account

it's a dumber, overly glorified whirlwind build tbh, but i can see it's not a shared experience..

[fading sky]

i do prefer the old one as well, but i still dont think its bad

[chrome plover]

you always have enough time to ww again

always up before ive spent stacks at least

[deep niche]

how do you have this problem

im on 25% haste and have zero problems with ww stacks

[fading sky]

he hits buttons super fast breaking the game ?

but like hitokiry for certain BM - DH - and ? i dno who else, are better specs than us atm

still doesnt mean fury is bad from a numbers perspective as we get leggo

[quiet herald]

How bad will fury feel if im primary stacked crit/haste for arms ?

[fading sky]

if u dont like the rotation / play style

andarvi, prob not a good thing, i would really just try to aquire 2ndary rings - amus

[quiet herald]

Also yea saying fury is bad needs to be backed up we’re like mid tier right now we aren’t bad but we aren’t amazing either. But we do well with what we have.

Im looking into fury from arms due to the fact I feel fury is a tad more tankier.

[fading sky]

only spec thats bad

[deep niche]

weapon will change all

[fading sky]

is ARMS

and thats not a numbers thing thats more talenttree thing

[spare otter]

One could argue being mid is bad in itself

[quiet herald]

Eh not really

[fading sky]

not when theres like 6-10k

up to near top

exept again a few specs that climb way above

[quiet herald]

You always have a “scale” mid-top is considered good below is needs fixing,reworks, or just overall buffs

[fading sky]

i mean thing is like this time around its not about dmg

at least not how i feel it in arms

[quiet herald]

Yea

[fading sky]

its about the left side of tree being donkey

[oblique trail]

I'd rather be mid than at the bottom or top

[muted star]

Guys it's ok. Fury scales with gear

[fading sky]

true i mean we are MID without leggo weapon

[chrome plover]

same :)

[quiet herald]

Wait wait I hear the arm 4pc actually feels decent in some bigger aoe ?

[oblique trail]

It does

[fading sky]

in M+

arms is awesome

in raid its frustrating

my 2 cents at least

[quiet herald]

I mean fury is tankier imo

[oblique trail]

Fury is tankier yes

[robust leaf]

@fading sky lol at raid is good

[fading sky]

WAY tankier

[quiet herald]

I can agree arms in M+ is cake

[chrome plover]

that's not an opinion, it is

[oblique trail]

That is not to say that Arms is squishy though

[fading sky]

dofi, so u enjoy pressing a SD proc seeing no improvement to TOM stack or AM ?

[quiet herald]

Yea reason fury is better for prog

[fading sky]

and trying to get a WW of 11 sec cd into a 13 sec cs

[robust leaf]

@fading sky you enjoy pressing rampage bloodbath and slam sometimes ?

[quiet herald]

Except council I assume arms will just beat it

[fading sky]

yes coz theres a natural feedback

[robust leaf]

Anyways i'm hating both specs atm

[deep niche]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#dataset=95

[fading sky]

bb gives rage to rampage - rampage gives BB

[robust leaf]

they are 2 shiit

[fading sky]

arms is easily fixxed and ill keep saying it. make slam 40 rage - and make SD count towards AM and Tom

[quiet herald]

Also weaving in 3 buttons into a rotation idk how we say that feels bad

[oblique trail]

Can't wait for the lego to come out

[fading sky]

then we dont have to press SOS

[oblique trail]

And some people will auto change their tune

[fading sky]

dmg wise arms is gucci though 😄

and i feel so is fury tbh

[hardy wadi]

could it be that the fury wowhead guide for rotation is outdated? i cant find anything about the execution phase and they tell me to spam raging blows with sudden death proc as soon as it pops up but im using the new 4 set x.x

[quiet herald]

Honestly since we lost IP arms deff feels clunkier not like I playable but definitely different

Now they definitely covered it didn’t they? I thought it said it moves up I prio with BB and BT still being higher

[fading sky]

i mean i just hate having a 11 sec cd spell that needs to be used 😄

[hardy wadi]

i will take a look again

i watched it under rotations

[fading sky]

main issue with arms is the irelevance of rage until execute phase, havent played enough fury to know what is their weakness

[quiet herald]

Yea banezi to the rescue!

[fading sky]

but i kindda like that fury gets a bigger burst for raid reaons

[terse idol]

i was in a pug yesterday and there was a dude with the raid 1 hander that does dmg and a 2hander in his off hand was this guy trolling or can we really use one of each and be a dmg gain?

[oblique trail]

he was trolling

or unaware

[fading sky]

trollas

[quiet herald]

Good thing with fury is there’s a lot of adds that need to DIE asap and we don’t have to “ramp”
In fury

[oblique trail]

You gain neither the benefit of SMF or TG by using a 1h and 2h

[terse idol]

he told me that its the 2nd bis item

[warm pewter]

Feels bad not having raging blow

[hardy wadi]

so bloodbath without set bonus is lower priority then sudden death/execute?

i mean i skilled it that it does more dmg under 35% life you know x.x and it lowers odyns cd when it crits

[quiet herald]

Well you shouldn’t be fury atm with out 4pc the gain isn’t enough over arms imo but that’s just me

[oblique trail]

No, Bloodbath is higher than Execute to have as many chances at OF CDR

[hardy wadi]

i have 4 set

i mean without the bonus active

[oblique trail]

Execute is just a high priority filler

[quiet herald]

O ok just making sure lol

[oblique trail]

Essentially

[quiet herald]

Exactly ex just goes up In prio doesn’t become number 1

[hardy wadi]

i get confused in raid easly, sometimes i have bloodbath, rampage up and sudden death proc, so i tought maybe rampage first so i dont overcap but i dont have enough rage after the bb i do afterwards for next rampage idk

[fading sky]

ye i mean i just think ppl feel bad czo with AM last season u always had cds and never had to hold em for anything, now u just have to plan a little bit

[hardy wadi]

well thanks :3 so the prio is higher now than bb but lower than bb with set effect right?

[wild mural]

fuck them hunters

[hardy wadi]

and in execution phase bb is always better because of more dmg under 35% life and it reduces cd, so i only use execute/sudden death if it gives me my next rampage. ? ^^

[oblique trail]

Basically yes

If you can Ramp into BB you prioritise that

So the cycle can look like Ramp > BB > Ramp > BB > Execute > Ramp > BB and so on, although this is mostly noticeable during your OF/Reck window

[hardy wadi]

thank you really much, i tought i made big mistakes in execution phase lel

man i always love the skyhold discord, comming one every season xD

for one question ^^

[fading sky]

fack all range melee masterclasses !!!

[wild mural]

hey man

im the boomydude

[past pivot]

Ok boomer

[wild mural]

these fotm boomer players have nothing on me

[fading sky]

haha

ok

❤️

boomies are also ppl

[past pivot]

Not really. But they do taste like chicken.

[wild mural]

ONCE UPON A TIME

all day every day

i just palyed boomer

[opal monolith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVwVUjGdk7kk8SkoteRuv3

hm

any advice on where to use which trinkets?

sim very close

[worldly shard]

should i catalyst my hero head/legs?

or wait for vault

still have 4pc from s2

0pc from s3

[wild mural]

prolly wait till vauilt

[worldly shard]

+17s are myth track?

or locked ilvl / non upgradeable

till certain date

[oblique trail]

+18s are myth track from vault

[south kayak]

I think there’s a myth track

But idk what it is

[worldly shard]

guess ill just crank out 1 more 20 and 4 more 18s for 20/18/18

[green furnace]

+18's are hero track

[oblique trail]

from the end of dungeon loot yes

but not from vault

[south kayak]

17 is hero from end of dungeon

Not 18

From 17

[green furnace]

surely we can agrre that 18 also drops hero-track :)?

[south kayak]

Yes

[prime fjord]

if i intend on only doing m+ what should my 2 crafted embellishments be?

fresh character

[worldly shard]

i made allied wrist and gonna craft cloak with shadowflame

which chapter do i get 2nd spark?

from campaign

[dense elbow]

I am a fan of allied wrists and SF/lariat

[oak peak]

Is there a reason why shadowflame on cloak is recommended? Or just depends on what pieces you have?

[oblique trail]

Because crafted max ilvl is 3 lower than the highest ilvl pieces

So you put shadowflame on the piece of gear with the lowest stat budget

[worldly shard]

should i stay 9/9N vault or do heroic even if it means 4/9

[oblique trail]

Idk depends on what you need

[worldly shard]

smolderon trink / fyrakk trinks

[oblique trail]

Then keep it as 9/9 normal if you know you wont full clear on HC

[oak peak]

Ahh ok

[oblique trail]

The first 4 doesn't really drop anything special

[worldly shard]

gnarlroot trink is pretty alright

[oblique trail]

Only think you could get that'd be good would be heroic tier from those 2 slots, but arguably the trinkets have higher value

[worldly shard]

but thats about it

might just kill gnarlroot for the week and dip

[prime fjord]

is frostfire legs of prep bait for m+?

[worldly shard]

u need constant pulls

with FF legs

[loud sigil]

Part of me wants to tell me raid lead to bench me for mythic igiria/volcoross so that I don't get a mythic vault slot, but also mythic bone crusher

[oblique trail]

just loot a myth track weapon from first vault?

not that diffy

[loud sigil]

Imagine getting a weapon from your vault

[prime fjord]

so if my group more casual the versitilty wrist and sf cloak will suit me better cool

[thin cliff]

this

[oblique trail]

Yeah, then you can swap the cloak for Lariat later when you have full/almost full sockets, and it should be about equal to Shadowflame on ST and better on AoE

[worldly shard]

doti rise dungeon seems the most difficult out of all

'lol

every other dung is free

ToTT last boss is painful tho

[lavish grove]

Rize is the hardest

[loud sigil]

This was my vault on Tues

[worldly shard]

i had to duo morchie and time-lost battlefield with tank

on a +14

so probably thats the most difficult thing when ppl are dying lol

[oblique trail]

Morchie is the easiest boss in Rise

By far

[worldly shard]

did 2 runs of it

11 depleted, 14 depleted

imagine

depleting +11

[lavish grove]

Idk about "by far" part

[thin cliff]

mine was cloak, bracers, tier slot I already had, trinket I already had, a shit neck, and a shit trinket

[oblique trail]

The only dangerous part about Morchie is not consuming all your clones at once

[worldly shard]

im downgrading my keys from 19-20 into 17-18 and hoping for a doti rise key

so i could host my own

because i cant get invited at 1.8k on 1 affix

and me being 453ilvl

[lavish grove]

That's low

[loud sigil]

I'm scared to even bother trying to farm gorehowl this week

[worldly shard]

ppl dont want to queue into 19s

so i just downgrade them

[loud sigil]

Shit was rough enough last week with pugs

[worldly shard]

into 17

[dense elbow]

18 and 20, those are the popular spots

19 is deadspace

[oblique trail]

17 is good if you just want the easiest key level for a hero track item

[worldly shard]

+18 on both affixes is 2504io 1chest pretty sure

so thats what im aiming for for the next weekend

[dense elbow]

Down your 19 to 18, then 2 chest it to 20

[worldly shard]

no luck with gear that i can equip, without losing dps

[lavish grove]

Still waiting for my 4p
Surely we kill fyrakk on Sunday and I get omni token

[worldly shard]

i have gholak 1handed from my first normal clear

might tank tbf

that 400% damage is nutty

[lavish grove]

That rarely procs for that x5 dmg tbh

[worldly shard]

above 90% its +400% damage

[lavish grove]

But good weapon non the less

[loud sigil]

I finally got my 4p last night and was able to swap off arms

[warm crag]

sorry for your loss

[oblique trail]

google google

@warm crag

[warm crag]

FUCK!

[left perch]

good morning spong, bazni

[thorny peak]

wth is earthen writ?

[stable cove]

second catalyst charge tuesday? i got cucked on tier tokens this clear

[oblique trail]

ye

[left perch]

yes

[oblique trail]

mastery enchant

[stable cove]

pog

[gilded nova]

Can anyone help me with a macro for Storm Bolt and Shockwave?

[oblique trail]

what kind of macro

[gilded nova]

I want to have both Storm Bolt and Shockwave bound into the same keybind

[oblique trail]

In what way

[outer bluff]

Like a sequence macro?

[gilded nova]

I press said keybind, Storm Bolt casts - I press it again, Shockwave casts

[oblique trail]

That's a castsequence macro, unless you mean if Storm Bolt is on CD, then cast Shockwave

The latter is not possible

[gilded nova]

Urgh

To may fucking keybinds already

[lavish grove]

Like 5?

[outer bluff]

I have very little keybinds

Compared to my mage xD

[lavish grove]

Arms has a lot, but it's not the case for fury

[outer bluff]

My warrior doesn't even use all the keybinds I have set, I have a few open or on items/mounts

[gilded nova]

I got at least 20 keybinds

[past pivot]

You might need some spring cleaning more than odd macros imo

[dense elbow]

Oh we got a lot of buttons, tho not all are used that often

Also, combining buttons is a blessing. Like pummel/heroic throw or charge/hamstring

[frosty karma]

What if you charge and first global is hamstring

[outer bluff]

I've debated bringing Heroic Throw into Tindral

[dense elbow]

Then you stood in melee range

Or you want to hamstring? Just spam charge I guess

[lavish grove]

Btw, did blizzard modified hamstring? I could apply it to mages ice block/Pala bubble for some reason after 10.2

[dense elbow]

What

[forest rose]

imagine if the legendary buffs everyone else BUT the person wielding it 😄

[dense elbow]

Sounds good to me

Ilvl will buff us anyhow, giving ppl a reason to stack warriors sound great

[lavish grove]

[past pivot]

It would still be counted as your damage

[dense elbow]

Just make it give haste

Gl Warcraft logs

[past pivot]

I want it to give us evoker's deep breath

[plucky egret]

I’m still hopeful it gives us fyrakk kamehameha breath from p3 + dot afterwards

[dense elbow]

What if, it stacks up a DoT with every hit, making WW spam optimal?

[past pivot]

Mobility, a stun, a dot and damage

[outer bluff]

I'd love to have a proc for the Frontal

[uneven plaza]

Guys how do you keep up with Hunters / DHunters?

[past pivot]

no one does

[oblique trail]

If they're bad, by playing

If they're good, you don't

[uneven plaza]

[outer bluff]

Yeah

Sounds about right

[noble elm]

Bait mechanics on to them and kill them

[dense elbow]

Currently I am top DPS in my groups, I just keep inviting 447 dps

[noble elm]

Bout your only shot

[outer bluff]

Unless they don't have gear, you'll never beat them

[forest rose]

increases everyones damage and healing by 25% by empowering them with shadowflame ( for the duration of a blood lust )

however the warrior using this is instantly killed